392 | CCPT Mythbusters: The "Innovation" Myth in Play Therapy

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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Today's episode,

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we are starting a new series.

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Haven't had one of those going in a while,

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so,

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You all have given me feedback that you prefer series and you like it when

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we kind of have a theme,

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so

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we're gonna do a theme.

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And our theme is going to be MythBusters.

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I don't know how many of y'all have watched that show.

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International folks,

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you may not even know what that show is.

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But

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we are going to bust some CCPT myths together.

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I think that we need to,

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and I think this is something that

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if we don't fight against and combat some of the common myths,

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we're not advocating for the model effectively.

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So,

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we're going to dive into a new MythBusters series.

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We're going to start with

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what I consider to be kind of an overarching myth.

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We'll get into some specific myths in later episodes,

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this first one,

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What I consider to be kind of an umbrella myth.

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The field of CCPT

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needs to innovate.

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Let me say that myth again.

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Our field needs to innovate.

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That's the big buzzword these days

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in our circles.

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We need innovation

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and everything needs to be

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with innovation in mind.

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And if we innovate,

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then we stay relevant.

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And if we innovate,

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then we're continuing to progress and

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I think it's a bunch of malarkey

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I'm going to justify

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my,

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my belief system here,

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but I think that is one of the most egregious myths that

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Circulate right now.

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the field talks about innovation,

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It often means and assumes

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applying CCPT to new populations,

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for example.

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think about

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workshops and the conferences and the topics that are out there right now.

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This model with this population.

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So,

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CCPT with

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ADHD,

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CCPT with autism,

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CCPT with,

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and then,

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of course,

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obviously,

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there's all of the other models that get thrown in.

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whatever

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theoretical orientation with whatever new population,

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that's one

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way that we see,

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quote,

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innovation regularly.

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Another,

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integrating

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one model with other models.

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How to use

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Jungian and Theraplay.

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Such and such,

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how CCPT and CBT

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such and such.

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Usually never the twain shall meet,

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I know,

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but somehow we think that innovation means

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fusing them together in a theoretical sandwich.

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packaging techniques in new ways.

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pretty consistent,

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quote,

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innovation in the field.

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And there's nothing inherently wrong

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with any of those things.

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But we have to be clear,

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that is not innovation of the model itself.

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Let me make sure that that settles.

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Any of those things that we're seeing,

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that is not

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innovation within the model itself.

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If a model works.

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We are not trying to change it.

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So we are not going to take CCPT.

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That we know is effective,

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that we know is empirically supported and validated.

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That we know has outcomes tied to it.

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And do anything with the model.

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That's happening all over the place,

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but as I like to say,

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not on my watch.

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and there can be innovation

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in other areas,

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innovative

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goals.

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anything related to the theoretical model itself.

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So here's where I think we're busting the myth.

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Innovation

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Versus integrity.

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there's nothing problematic

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innovation.

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As long as there is integrity theoretically.

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So if you can preserve the integrity

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of a theoretical orientation and model,

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Innovation would absolutely be the goal.

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But when integrity of the model is compromised,

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That is not innovative.

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CCPT plus something else.

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CCPT fused,

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CCPT whatever.

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That is not progress.

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think that innovation and progress are synonyms.

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So the field's all about progressing.

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All about ensuring that we're moving

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in a forward direction.

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It is not progress.

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If we change a model

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that has a proven theoretical foundation.

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here's where

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we can flip this,

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because I don't want to just bust the myth,

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I actually want to talk about what we do instead.

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if we're going to

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innovate our delivery,

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let's go.

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We'll link arms and we'll march and we will take the world over

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with delivery innovation.

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But that is not model modification.

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So let's look at ways that we can in fact innovate

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because we have all kinds of options for innovation within CCPT

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what are things that we can innovate?

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communication frameworks to start.

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why it works.

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What our confidence and competence

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about this model,

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so we can absolutely innovate in our communication frameworks.

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Effective communication.

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How do we practice delivering the exact same communication to every single client?

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We put frameworks in place.

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Another thing that we can innovate.

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Front loaded clarity.

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What do I mean by that?

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When we sit down with parents.

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They need to be given all kinds of clarity

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before the process even begins.

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We're going to overdeliver.

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All kinds of communication.

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With clarity

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Purpose and intention.

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We are sitting down with parents,

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and we are giving them just enough but not too much.

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what the process is going to be.

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Managing what is to come.

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attrition rates are high

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in CCPT.

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frontload clarity into what we tell parents.

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Professional identity and positioning.

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If we are CCPT.

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that's tied to that.

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We need to be confident,

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we need to be articulate,

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we need to be communicative.

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walk into conversations feeling grounded and knowledgeable and trained.

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We need to present our thoughts carefully and thoughtfully.

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we can absolutely innovate that

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and our positioning.

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any kind of professional engagement.

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So much so that I have a lot of CCPTs tell me they're in their staff meeting

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or they're meeting with other colleagues,

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I'm the only CCPT.

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Do you know how often that's the refrain?

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I'm the only one that sees kids.

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I'm the only one that's CCPT.

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I'm the only one that works with

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3 through 6 year olds.

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I'm the only one that has a playroom.

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I'm the only one that isn't directive.

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I'm the,

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so this is our isolation.

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our lot.

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what often happens is because we are the only one.

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The

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fish swimming upstream against the current.

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On the Collective calls.

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By the way,

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if you have no idea what I'm talking about,

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CCPT Collective is an online community just for you,

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just for CCPTs.

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if you haven't heard about that,

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I don't mention it very often,

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check it out.

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CCPTcollective.com.

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You can see what we're all about.

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We're on live weekly calls.

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So,

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we literally are throwing around the idea of

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our CCPT mascot being a salmon,

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a happy little salmon.

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we are just swimming upstream and everyone else is going in the other direction,

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and that's kind of our life.

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you know how often I hear

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who am I?

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Well,

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I mean,

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I,

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I don't feel comfortable making a case for CCPT when,

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you know,

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I mean,

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obviously it's not the only model.

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Well,

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it's not that this is better than anything else.

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I mean,

302
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I don't want people to feel like I'm stepping on their toes.

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Everyone

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can choose what.

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Model they think is the most helpful.

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Y'all

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Lovingly,

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gently.

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I know I'm not always those things.

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I try,

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but

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sometimes I'm

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a little direct and and abrasive,

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lovingly and gently.

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Grow a backbone.

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Grow

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your advocacy,

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grow your communication.

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And come in there with a professional identity

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and position yourself as an expert in this model.

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That will not be talked out of anything,

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that does not have to hem and haw,

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that is not embarrassed or ashamed of what you do.

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It is not egotistical

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to be confident in what you do

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and talk about what you do and why.

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It's not threatening to anyone unless they have their own junk.

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In and of itself

329
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being wholly sold out and bought into one thing and

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letting everyone know that that's what you're all about,

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there is nothing offensive,

332
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there is nothing off-putting,

333
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there is nothing inappropriate about it

334
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conversely,

335
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most people.

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Love

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when you come in and you're passionate,

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you're exuberant,

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and you're excited

340
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and you can't stop talking about it

341
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and you're so,

342
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so sold out on it.

343
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Why?

344
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Because

345
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they wish that they were that way.

346
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I can't tell you the number of times people have said.

347
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Your passion is infectious.

348
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Your passion excites me and I don't even really understand what this is all about.

349
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Grow a backbone

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with love and gentleness.

351
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Stand up for the model that you believe in.

352
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Stand up for yourself

353
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as a CCPT.

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And be proud of what you do.

355
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Position yourself as an expert,

356
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position yourself

357
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as a specialist,

358
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position yourself as someone that understands how to work with children

359
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more effectively than anyone else

360
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in your sphere,

361
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because that's probably you and only you.

362
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Unless you happen to work with a whole bunch of other CCPTs,

363
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which

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that's a gift in and of itself.

365
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So,

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if you've got that going for yourself,

367
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then,

368
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I mean,

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high five yourself each night because that's an incredible opportunity

370
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to be surrounded by other people with like-minded values.

371
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Most of the time,

372
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you're the only one that gets it.

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That is something to be proud of,

374
00:13:25,859 --> 00:13:27,500
not something to shrink back from.

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Another thing we can innovate,

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translating CCPT

377
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into understandable language.

378
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Y'all,

379
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oh my gosh.

380
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How,

381
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how do I even start on this one?

382
00:13:41,599 --> 00:13:43,960
I could spend 6 hours just on this topic alone.

383
00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:44,830
I promise I won't.

384
00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:45,000
I,

385
00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:45,179
I,

386
00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,700
I know your time is important.

387
00:13:48,619 --> 00:13:50,979
We are so prone

388
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to use jargon.

389
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And then we wonder why people don't understand what's going on.

390
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We get in therapy world,

391
00:14:01,309 --> 00:14:02,260
therapy brain,

392
00:14:02,390 --> 00:14:03,489
therapy speak,

393
00:14:03,950 --> 00:14:05,549
and we don't even realize that we're doing it.

394
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And

395
00:14:07,869 --> 00:14:11,020
you constantly have to translate CCPT

396
00:14:11,390 --> 00:14:12,229
for other people.

397
00:14:13,299 --> 00:14:14,679
You know how we talk about

398
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CCPT as its own language

399
00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:21,020
and we liken learning CCPT to learning a new language.

400
00:14:21,130 --> 00:14:21,409
Why?

401
00:14:21,659 --> 00:14:22,559
Because it is.

402
00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:26,659
You would not sit down with a parent

403
00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:29,080
and start speaking German to them

404
00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:30,760
if they speak English.

405
00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:33,099
Pick your language.

406
00:14:33,179 --> 00:14:33,820
It doesn't really matter.

407
00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:36,059
You would not speak a different language to them.

408
00:14:36,219 --> 00:14:36,380
Why?

409
00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:37,780
Because they would have no clue what you're saying.

410
00:14:37,859 --> 00:14:39,840
I was just in Japan for 15 days.

411
00:14:40,770 --> 00:14:43,559
Is the first time in my life... I've traveled all over the world.

412
00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:46,059
But it is the first time in my life

413
00:14:46,599 --> 00:14:48,820
that I did not understand a word

414
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:49,760
that was spoken.

415
00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:53,210
Everywhere else I've traveled.

416
00:14:54,409 --> 00:14:56,119
They speak English or Spanish.

417
00:14:56,890 --> 00:14:58,039
And I speak both.

418
00:14:58,330 --> 00:14:59,549
I have never.

419
00:15:00,539 --> 00:15:03,140
Felt like I have no ability to communicate.

420
00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:06,549
We would go to 7-Eleven.

421
00:15:07,489 --> 00:15:08,659
Which I don't have time to dig into that,

422
00:15:08,820 --> 00:15:11,059
but 7-Eleven in Japan is a whole other thing,

423
00:15:11,090 --> 00:15:11,520
y'all.

424
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It,

425
00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:13,659
it,

426
00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:14,260
oh my gosh,

427
00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:14,539
I,

428
00:15:14,619 --> 00:15:15,309
I want

429
00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:17,119
Japan 7-Eleven in

430
00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:18,020
Florida.

431
00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:18,570
That's,

432
00:15:18,619 --> 00:15:19,520
that's what I want.

433
00:15:20,059 --> 00:15:21,099
It's incredible.

434
00:15:21,179 --> 00:15:21,380
It's,

435
00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:22,739
it's this whole experience.

436
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:24,929
That said,

437
00:15:25,109 --> 00:15:26,289
I go up to the counter

438
00:15:26,830 --> 00:15:30,059
and I'm buying rice balls for my son and

439
00:15:30,059 --> 00:15:32,270
fruit smoothie for me with a little smoothie maker.

440
00:15:32,309 --> 00:15:34,940
You walk over and you put the cup and it like blends the smoothie for you.

441
00:15:35,020 --> 00:15:35,190
Anyway,

442
00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:35,849
7-Eleven,

443
00:15:35,909 --> 00:15:36,409
Oh my gosh,

444
00:15:36,669 --> 00:15:37,510
they're amazing there.

445
00:15:38,429 --> 00:15:38,989
And

446
00:15:39,119 --> 00:15:40,179
the cashier

447
00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:41,219
says,

448
00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:42,960
I know after the fact.

449
00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,049
Would you like a bag?

450
00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:46,119
But

451
00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:48,039
speaks to me in Japanese

452
00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:50,729
and looks at me and I look at him and we just

453
00:15:50,729 --> 00:15:54,570
kind of have this standoff and I shake my head and shrug like

454
00:15:55,169 --> 00:15:57,010
I have no idea what you just said.

455
00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,849
But the crazy thing is I didn't even know how to say I don't understand.

456
00:16:02,719 --> 00:16:04,760
And then it dawns on him that

457
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,369
I don't speak Japanese.

458
00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,200
And so then in English he says,

459
00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,479
would you like a bag?

460
00:16:10,650 --> 00:16:11,469
But

461
00:16:11,849 --> 00:16:12,510
I

462
00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:14,570
felt so inadequate.

463
00:16:14,650 --> 00:16:16,150
I felt so

464
00:16:16,330 --> 00:16:17,169
disconnected.

465
00:16:17,250 --> 00:16:20,010
I felt like I could not communicate.

466
00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:21,090
I was quiet.

467
00:16:21,289 --> 00:16:24,090
I was more quiet in Japan than I've ever been in my life

468
00:16:24,570 --> 00:16:24,989
because

469
00:16:25,130 --> 00:16:26,549
I couldn't speak with anybody.

470
00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:27,820
OK,

471
00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:29,500
so why am I telling you this story?

472
00:16:29,650 --> 00:16:29,809
A,

473
00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:30,440
because

474
00:16:31,299 --> 00:16:32,719
I love talking about being in Japan.

475
00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:33,200
It's

476
00:16:33,619 --> 00:16:34,500
a lovely place,

477
00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:35,440
we want to go back.

478
00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:36,280
But

479
00:16:36,619 --> 00:16:38,039
that was my first,

480
00:16:38,429 --> 00:16:39,960
literally my first

481
00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:41,119
experience

482
00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,900
of not being able to understand.

483
00:16:45,239 --> 00:16:49,400
And that is what parents feel every single parent,

484
00:16:49,479 --> 00:16:51,380
every single time.

485
00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,099
We sit down with them

486
00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:54,260
and we speak

487
00:16:54,479 --> 00:16:56,200
proverbial Japanese to them.

488
00:16:57,140 --> 00:17:01,200
And then we wonder why they feel disconnected and distant,

489
00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:04,880
and they don't talk to us and they don't communicate with us because they have no idea

490
00:17:05,098 --> 00:17:05,780
what we said.

491
00:17:06,939 --> 00:17:09,939
You need to speak at a high school level.

492
00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:14,040
You can't use words like self-actualize.

493
00:17:14,459 --> 00:17:16,040
You can't use words like

494
00:17:16,339 --> 00:17:17,959
developmentally appropriate.

495
00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:18,900
You can't,

496
00:17:19,118 --> 00:17:22,339
these are things that we understand collectively within our field.

497
00:17:22,569 --> 00:17:23,939
Parents do not get it.

498
00:17:25,448 --> 00:17:31,188
So we're constantly innovating our translation of CCPT into words and concepts

499
00:17:31,409 --> 00:17:33,448
that a parent can actually digest.

500
00:17:34,739 --> 00:17:38,119
We're also innovating the standardization of our delivery.

501
00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,020
You need to have a system

502
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,339
for

503
00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:44,099
your entire process.

504
00:17:45,189 --> 00:17:47,609
Across the entire life cycle of the client,

505
00:17:48,030 --> 00:17:50,630
how do you standardize the delivery of what you're doing?

506
00:17:51,069 --> 00:17:52,750
That includes with your with your kids,

507
00:17:52,930 --> 00:17:54,130
that includes with your parents,

508
00:17:54,349 --> 00:17:55,750
that includes in the playroom,

509
00:17:56,030 --> 00:17:56,829
outside of the playroom.

510
00:17:56,989 --> 00:17:58,849
How are you standardizing that delivery?

511
00:17:59,890 --> 00:18:01,430
There's an area of innovation.

512
00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:04,239
So as you can see,

513
00:18:05,449 --> 00:18:07,569
We are changing

514
00:18:07,849 --> 00:18:09,030
and innovating

515
00:18:09,410 --> 00:18:10,510
quite a few things.

516
00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:13,050
But never once

517
00:18:13,390 --> 00:18:15,449
are we adjusting the model itself.

518
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:16,319
Because

519
00:18:16,619 --> 00:18:17,900
CCPT works.

520
00:18:19,089 --> 00:18:19,630
So

521
00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:21,670
the myth that our field

522
00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:24,189
and CCPT needs to innovate.

523
00:18:25,439 --> 00:18:26,859
The only way

524
00:18:27,229 --> 00:18:28,839
that we get on board with that.

525
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,619
is if we understand what we're innovating.

526
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,650
And we do have options on the table.

527
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:36,229
But

528
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,699
we are always going to preserve integrity

529
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:39,839
of the model.

530
00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,530
While we're wanting to innovate.

531
00:18:43,810 --> 00:18:43,949
So,

532
00:18:43,959 --> 00:18:44,760
I hope that

533
00:18:44,949 --> 00:18:45,680
that's helpful.

534
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,300
Hope that it gives you some things to think about.

535
00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,479
If you have questions,

536
00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:49,880
thoughts,

537
00:18:49,959 --> 00:18:50,430
comments,

538
00:18:50,550 --> 00:18:51,439
I'd love to hear from you,

539
00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:53,199
brenna@thekidcounselor.com

540
00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:56,839
If you go to playtherapynow.com,

541
00:18:57,050 --> 00:18:59,069
it's kind of a one-stop shop for

542
00:18:59,810 --> 00:19:00,569
everything that's going on.

543
00:19:00,689 --> 00:19:01,010
So,

544
00:19:01,369 --> 00:19:02,790
any upcoming

545
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,329
Corewell courses,

546
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,959
any upcoming live events,

547
00:19:06,170 --> 00:19:08,650
my coaching cohorts that are up and coming,

548
00:19:08,770 --> 00:19:10,410
my newsletter sign up,

549
00:19:10,689 --> 00:19:12,790
the CCPT community,

550
00:19:13,209 --> 00:19:13,949
the Collective,

551
00:19:14,969 --> 00:19:15,699
everything you want,

552
00:19:15,969 --> 00:19:18,520
playtherapynow.com is where you want to go for that.

553
00:19:18,650 --> 00:19:19,109
So,

554
00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:19,849
if you

555
00:19:20,170 --> 00:19:21,780
want to kind of get more involved and

556
00:19:22,089 --> 00:19:23,849
And see what's out there in the way of options

557
00:19:23,849 --> 00:19:26,569
and ways that you can support your CCPT journey.

558
00:19:26,890 --> 00:19:28,310
That'd be where I'd recommend that you go.

559
00:19:28,569 --> 00:19:29,050
I love y'all.

560
00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:29,829
Hope you have a great week.

561
00:19:29,890 --> 00:19:30,770
We'll talk again soon.

562
00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:31,209
Bye.

563
00:19:32,290 --> 00:19:36,079
Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks.

564
00:19:36,329 --> 00:19:38,250
For more episodes and resources,

565
00:19:38,410 --> 00:19:43,170
please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.