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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Mess Mornings with Me Jeff Grub,
<v Speaker 1>your host from Giant Bomb dot com. Thank you for
<v Speaker 1>tuning in. In this episode, we're going to be talking
<v Speaker 1>about a new console that's only a two hundred and
<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars because it's actually an old console, and.
<v Speaker 2>Wrapping up the week with the Bomb twelve.
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a good one because we have Echa
<v Speaker 1>from Outer Loop Games here.
<v Speaker 2>Eka. How are you doing.
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, Jeff.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for being on.
<v Speaker 1>It was great to catch up with you at GDC
<v Speaker 1>and to have you on this show now fantastic. You know,
<v Speaker 1>we'll be going over the news and I'll be definitely
<v Speaker 1>picking your brain as someone who's been making games for Actually,
<v Speaker 1>you know what you told me, how long it's been a.
<v Speaker 2>Like twenty years, twenty five years someone you've been a developer.
<v Speaker 3>It'll be thirty this October.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to blow you up like that much,
<v Speaker 1>but all right, Yeah, as long as you say it
<v Speaker 1>then then it's okay.
<v Speaker 2>Thirty started.
<v Speaker 3>I started when I was four. Yeah, that's that's all
<v Speaker 3>I go with.
<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, incredible, I love that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the way to do it, you can get
<v Speaker 1>both like you're still young and you were a child prodigy,
<v Speaker 1>and then yeah, that's that's the that's the story to tell.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Echa, you had got doc DBAs coming out
<v Speaker 1>this week. What's it like launching a game in twenty
<v Speaker 1>twenty six? You've done it several times before. We were
<v Speaker 1>just talking. You're saying every time, like the marketing side changes,
<v Speaker 1>what else changes?
<v Speaker 2>What else is the same? What do you what? What
<v Speaker 2>should people know?
<v Speaker 4>I think it's always exciting and and I mean for
<v Speaker 4>me personally, and I'm talking to other devs too, It's
<v Speaker 4>like we spent spent years, like focusing this kind of
<v Speaker 4>energy on this project, and you know, a game takes
<v Speaker 4>for us, it's like two plus years on this one,
<v Speaker 4>and there's thousands of decisions every day, and then you like.
<v Speaker 3>You know, you hope you're doing the right thing.
<v Speaker 4>You give play test feedback, whatever, but when you launch it,
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's not yours anymore. It's like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>people can have opinions about it, which which is great,
<v Speaker 4>not great, but but it's also like for us when
<v Speaker 4>you finish it, for me, when you when I finish
<v Speaker 4>the project, I'm like I need to have got to
<v Speaker 4>direct that energy somewhere else without it. Then I did
<v Speaker 4>I get you know, I'm like sad because I'm like
<v Speaker 4>I can't do anything about this thing that we just
<v Speaker 4>spend all this time doing, which is something it took
<v Speaker 4>me a while to kind of get used to this,
<v Speaker 4>almost like a I wouldn't say a depression, but it
<v Speaker 4>was like a sadness once you you're excited, right, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you know, like what do I do with all this
<v Speaker 4>energy and focus and like attention that I focus on
<v Speaker 4>this one project and so you know, a couple of
<v Speaker 4>projects back I started always kind of noodling with something else,
<v Speaker 4>so I can just focus on that while the game
<v Speaker 4>comes out and then kind of react to how people
<v Speaker 4>are receiving it, you know, fix stuff, figure out the
<v Speaker 4>next patch, and uh, you know, market it somehow. In
<v Speaker 4>twenty six it's like try a bunch of different things
<v Speaker 4>and see what sticks and see what people like about
<v Speaker 4>it and respond to it and do more of that hopefully,
<v Speaker 4>And that's where we're trying to figure out.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, it's you do it.
<v Speaker 1>Like there seems to give a lot more avenues for
<v Speaker 1>telling people about the games these days, and yet Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there are so many more games coming out every single year.
<v Speaker 1>That number goes up and up and up. I mean
<v Speaker 1>at a certain point, like that's just the way things are.
<v Speaker 2>We have to go deal with this.
<v Speaker 1>So we just have to do what's best for this game,
<v Speaker 1>do right by the game, and give it its best
<v Speaker 1>chance to succeed, and have to ignore what's happening out
<v Speaker 1>there in terms of competing in this market.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean there's like trying to pick a release date,
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's like that's always hard. I used to
<v Speaker 4>be it's like, oh, don't release in the wintertime. Do
<v Speaker 4>it in the spring or you know, summer. But that's
<v Speaker 4>there's games every day, especially on Steam, I think too,
<v Speaker 4>and on the platforms. I'm we're on everything. But like
<v Speaker 4>it's trying to mark you know things also like.
<v Speaker 3>How early do you market? How late do you market?
<v Speaker 3>Like when you start talking.
<v Speaker 4>About it, people are inundated with so many different things,
<v Speaker 4>Like you know, it's like you have so much time
<v Speaker 4>before you can focus. I'm for me personally, I'm like
<v Speaker 4>I can focus on this thing, then I'm onto something else.
<v Speaker 3>So it's just trying to figure all that out.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, the strategy from from Outer Loop. You
<v Speaker 1>guys seems to have and then like get like work
<v Speaker 1>on the next game. And we talked about that at SGF.
<v Speaker 1>I think I remember you having that conversation. So we
<v Speaker 1>put out a game and then we're on to the
<v Speaker 1>next game. We like to make games. Anything changed there,
<v Speaker 1>anything learned that gets applied next time around. Are you
<v Speaker 1>not ready to talk about the next game because you're
<v Speaker 1>putting out a game this week?
<v Speaker 2>I understand, but I asked you questions.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, no, we we have three playable protypes already.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, that's what it seems like. It always seems
<v Speaker 1>you guys are always percolating on ideas over there.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then you know, I think, going back to
<v Speaker 4>your initial question, but what's what's changed, what's what's same?
<v Speaker 4>I think having the same core team over multiple projects
<v Speaker 4>means we can figure new things out quicker, or figure
<v Speaker 4>out what.
<v Speaker 3>We like, we don't like, and what we want to try.
<v Speaker 4>We started on our prototype a couple of weeks ago,
<v Speaker 4>as we're like fixing and getting a ship, and it's
<v Speaker 4>like we're being on Unity and we're trying to learn Goodough,
<v Speaker 4>which is this other game engine.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, we're kind of.
<v Speaker 4>Using that this project, and it's a small project. It's
<v Speaker 4>like a for player multiplayer game, which we haven't done
<v Speaker 4>in a long time, so we're messing with that as.
<v Speaker 3>A way to learn the engine.
<v Speaker 4>And and now it's like, hey, maybe we might continue
<v Speaker 4>on those because it's a shorter, you know, term project.
<v Speaker 4>But it's like it's also allowing us to learn new
<v Speaker 4>engine and not be tied to one particular.
<v Speaker 3>Company like an Adobe or Unity or.
<v Speaker 4>Whoever, because like that's also out of our hands if
<v Speaker 4>they decide to go right, price changes that have happened,
<v Speaker 4>or you know, royalties or other things that are just
<v Speaker 4>like completely mess up our business as a small indie studio.
<v Speaker 4>So it's like not being tied to one tool or
<v Speaker 4>engine is also a goal for us too going forward.
<v Speaker 1>I will say that I was I've always wanted to
<v Speaker 1>ask this question. I think you might have answered, but
<v Speaker 1>I want to double check it's good dough, not go
<v Speaker 1>dot right.
<v Speaker 2>I always thought it was good dough, but people I
<v Speaker 2>think it's yeah, yeah, Okay.
<v Speaker 3>I've been everybody, Yeah, we've been. We've been saying good dough.
<v Speaker 1>So okay, right, I mean it just it should be
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I think so all right, Well, we're gonna
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<v Speaker 1>All right, we have a lot to get into, so
<v Speaker 1>let's start the morning mess with SNK is releasing a
<v Speaker 1>modern Neogo AES console with unrivaled authenticity and seventy pound
<v Speaker 1>game cartridges. This is from Andy Robinson at VGC. Play
<v Speaker 1>On and S and K are re releasing the Neo
<v Speaker 1>AES console later this year. Originally released in nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 1>and remembered for its strong arcade ports, the new NEOGOAES,
<v Speaker 1>which stands for Advanced Entertainment System, is planned for release
<v Speaker 1>this Christmas and promises quote unrivaled authenticity, including full compatibility
<v Speaker 1>with original cartridges, Standard and thirty fifth anniversary edition. Hardware
<v Speaker 1>will release on November twelfth for two hundred and fifty
<v Speaker 1>dollars one hundred eighty pounds or two hundred euros, with
<v Speaker 1>a roster of game cartridges also due to go on
<v Speaker 1>sale for seventy pounds or eighty euros. According to play On,
<v Speaker 1>the Neogo AES plus will come with a screet quality
<v Speaker 1>of life upgrades such as low latency HDMI output, ten
<v Speaker 1>ADP output, and on screen bios and DIP switches located
<v Speaker 1>on the bottom of the console, allowing for instant switching
<v Speaker 1>of language, selection, overclocking the hardware, or choosing different display modes.
<v Speaker 1>The console also offers low power consumption and permanently saves
<v Speaker 1>gamers high scores for each game. I imagine the reason
<v Speaker 1>it's low power consumption is the way that this the
<v Speaker 1>way that they're making this ECHA is super interesting. It's
<v Speaker 1>not one of these recent FPGA consoles from the likes
<v Speaker 1>of Analog, which are great.
<v Speaker 2>I love them.
<v Speaker 1>That is a field programmable gait array chip that's basically
<v Speaker 1>a big chip and you could tell it to pave
<v Speaker 1>like a smaller, older chip. And then there's the emulation boxes,
<v Speaker 1>which are just you know, here's a computer in a
<v Speaker 1>box and we're gonna use software emulation instead instead of
<v Speaker 1>a hardware emulation. Both these are great solutions. This is
<v Speaker 1>also not that this is the original chip design. Hardware
<v Speaker 1>just modernized it in a new process. So they're just
<v Speaker 1>basically remaking what is inside a neo GEO doing it
<v Speaker 1>in a modern way. So they could probably fit a
<v Speaker 1>ton of these on a wafer or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>And then they can also get like a very low.
<v Speaker 1>Power consumption because things have improved so much over time.
<v Speaker 1>So this is a really neat thing they're doing. It
<v Speaker 1>should be very authentic. It's just that console being basically
<v Speaker 1>reprinted two hundred and fifty dollars. I'm kind of ready
<v Speaker 1>to show up for this thing, Eka, but I'm a
<v Speaker 1>sucker for these, for this sort of sort of hardware.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about all this?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I remember, did you remember the original nig.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember reading about it in magazines and
<v Speaker 1>being like frightened of the price. It's like one of
<v Speaker 1>those ones I would never even have asked my parents
<v Speaker 1>to get me ever, because it was so expensive.
<v Speaker 4>I think I saw it out a KB Toys or
<v Speaker 4>whatever it was called back then, and I was like,
<v Speaker 4>I was just just a well amazed. I guess how
<v Speaker 4>expensive that thing is. I mean, six hundred dollars. As
<v Speaker 4>a kid in the nineties, that's that's a I think
<v Speaker 4>that's a lot on it.
<v Speaker 2>Look it up.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, with inflation, that'd be about fifteen hundred dollars today,
<v Speaker 1>So we're actually not that far away from the console
<v Speaker 1>prices being that much.
<v Speaker 4>But still it was wild a then yeah, and then
<v Speaker 4>two hundred dollars per game right at the time, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Because they were just they were basically the arcade games
<v Speaker 1>put onto cartridges, and that was wild as well. And
<v Speaker 1>that's the other side of this. They're putting out several
<v Speaker 1>of these games onto a new repro carts as well, reproductions,
<v Speaker 1>Metal Slug, The King of Fighters two thousand and two, Garu,
<v Speaker 1>Mark of the Wolves, Big Tournament, Golf, Shock Troopers, Samurai
<v Speaker 1>Showdown five Special, Paul Star, Twinkle Star Sprites, Magician Lord,
<v Speaker 1>and Over the Top. You can, I guess, get all
<v Speaker 1>this in a bundle as well, and they'll just give
<v Speaker 1>you everything. And I think the arcade stick that you know,
<v Speaker 1>they'll bundle all that all up for you and put
<v Speaker 1>it out for what is that thousand dollars something like that.
<v Speaker 4>Pretty wild and I'll show up first Samurai Showed Down,
<v Speaker 4>and I'll spent so much time on that in arcades.
<v Speaker 3>It's such a great game.
<v Speaker 4>I just know myself, while if I buy a piece
<v Speaker 4>of hardware like this, I'll probably play it for a
<v Speaker 4>little bit and then I'll forget about it.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, do I want to do that for
<v Speaker 3>fifty dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Ye do I want to do it every single time
<v Speaker 1>one of these comes out, which I might.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I do.
<v Speaker 1>I have that same thought process of like how often
<v Speaker 1>am I really going to use this thing? And I
<v Speaker 1>did just I got the superstation, which is basically the
<v Speaker 1>mister from a taki udon the YouTuber and he kind
<v Speaker 1>of spruces it up to be basically a PlayStation one
<v Speaker 1>and they're working on software to make it behave more
<v Speaker 1>like a console, but it it's a mister. So I
<v Speaker 1>already have Neogio on there, and I have all the
<v Speaker 1>Neo Geo games I want on a device that I
<v Speaker 1>just recently got, And yet this this is pretty novel,
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool, and you're right, like something like Samurai show
<v Speaker 1>Down having that with the original home hardware would be
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool.
<v Speaker 2>That game is pretty special.
<v Speaker 1>I remember the first time seeing that in the arcade
<v Speaker 1>after years of Street Fighter, IM Mortal Kombat and finally
<v Speaker 1>getting to look at this game and being like, what
<v Speaker 1>is what is the camera doing and realizing it's like
<v Speaker 1>panning in and out and like scanning left and right
<v Speaker 1>in a way that just made the the sprites look
<v Speaker 1>so dynamic.
<v Speaker 2>It stuck with me.
<v Speaker 1>This entire time walking past that arcade cabinet in the
<v Speaker 1>arcade way back in the nineties and just being like,
<v Speaker 1>what is that?
<v Speaker 2>So? Yeah? Special games?
<v Speaker 1>Cool that they are kind of getting this, uh, this
<v Speaker 1>amount of love while it's coming from play On, which
<v Speaker 1>is an embracer company. Have they done anything like this before?
<v Speaker 1>And I can't remember if I've seen play On do
<v Speaker 1>anything like this before.
<v Speaker 3>Have you messed with the rog?
<v Speaker 2>Well?
<v Speaker 3>Which one the the whatever?
<v Speaker 2>The one? Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Xbox one? Yeah, Xbox one.
<v Speaker 1>I think Dan has one and Jeriff has one. I
<v Speaker 1>have not touched it, but I've used the previous ones
<v Speaker 1>before they had the Xbox branding on it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I mean I love our Steam dec I travel with
<v Speaker 4>it and I always big into shows and it's just
<v Speaker 4>so handy. But then having something like the Xbox rog
<v Speaker 4>where I can always put Steam games and window stuff,
<v Speaker 4>I was like, and the screen looks really damn good
<v Speaker 4>and the sizes, it feels comfortable and I'm not sure
<v Speaker 4>I need anything else because I do see the game
<v Speaker 4>a lot too.
<v Speaker 3>But this is cool. What's a farm factor on this?
<v Speaker 2>You know? Does it say I mean this this? So
<v Speaker 2>they yes?
<v Speaker 1>So they are just basically taking the old Neo Geo
<v Speaker 1>home console and making it again like that. It's just
<v Speaker 1>it's a complete reproduction of that. So it looks like that,
<v Speaker 1>and you know it's the cartridges stick out into the
<v Speaker 1>big wakes.
<v Speaker 2>The cartridges are huge.
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, you know it might be shrunk down, but
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, basically they're going for that original design.
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, very very cool stuff.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm with you, where when I sit down to
<v Speaker 1>play a game, I'm picking up my Steam deck.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's how I'm playing games these days.
<v Speaker 4>Is this for nostalgia folks to have money now that
<v Speaker 4>grew up with this or want I.
<v Speaker 1>Mean it's like, yes, anything that can extract I mean there.
<v Speaker 1>I think the strategy across the industry right now is
<v Speaker 1>who is playing these kinds of games and also has money?
<v Speaker 1>Like who's in that Vinn diagram And it's older millennials, right,
<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's.
<v Speaker 2>Who they're going after with this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>And it's it works like this is the kind of
<v Speaker 1>thing where you know, two hundred fifty dollars for a
<v Speaker 1>piece of hardware right now is a price that is
<v Speaker 1>not impulse by, but it's not that far off from
<v Speaker 1>the impulse by territory that was once like fifty dollars.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, things have changed and they're finding ways to
<v Speaker 1>capitalize on that. And as long as we keep getting
<v Speaker 1>really cool like and as long as it delivers, right,
<v Speaker 1>as long as this is actually going to be quality
<v Speaker 1>and people aren't going to be pulling their hair out
<v Speaker 1>because it's falling apart or something like that. If they
<v Speaker 1>keep delivering stuff like this, I'm all game for them
<v Speaker 1>mining more of these nineties piece of hardware nostalgia.
<v Speaker 2>That would be Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's great because if they find an audience,
<v Speaker 4>they feel like there was there is an audience, so
<v Speaker 4>they're building it. That's great for the audience, Like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>you get something niche and something that they want or
<v Speaker 4>want to try.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm all for it me too, absolutely all right.
<v Speaker 1>This next story Pokemon and sell to rip off pick
<v Speaker 1>Mos removed from Steam as publisher intervenes. This is from
<v Speaker 1>Ali Reynolds at Nintendo Life, which until recently was called Pickman,
<v Speaker 1>has been unceremoniously removed from Steam following an intervention from
<v Speaker 1>its publisher, Network Go. Developed by Pocket Game, pick Most
<v Speaker 1>is a blatant ripoff title copying character designs from the
<v Speaker 1>likes of Pow World, which itself already was copying from Pokemon.
<v Speaker 1>This is also copying from Pokemon and the legend of Zelda.
<v Speaker 1>Breath of the Wild creature design is in particular, in
<v Speaker 1>particular looks remarkably similar to the iconic Pokemon, while the
<v Speaker 1>protagonist in this game is the spinning image of Link
<v Speaker 1>in Breath of the Wild. So it seems network Go
<v Speaker 1>has had quite enough of the controversy which has been
<v Speaker 1>brewing around the game because of all this stuff, confirming
<v Speaker 1>that it has removed the game from Steam in a
<v Speaker 1>message on Twitter, Hello players, this is the publisher network Go.
<v Speaker 1>We've heard your feedback regarding the removal of our Steam
<v Speaker 1>store page and want to clear things up. Network Go
<v Speaker 1>has officially intervened in the development of Pocket game. We
<v Speaker 1>will be supervising the pickmost team from a player's perspective
<v Speaker 1>to ensure the game keeps getting better.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for your support.
<v Speaker 1>Network Go doesn't outright state that the reasoning behind the
<v Speaker 1>removal is due to the controversy, instead claiming that it's
<v Speaker 1>helping to ensure the game keeps getting better. It seems
<v Speaker 1>clear to us, however, that the publisher wants to get
<v Speaker 1>ahead of any potential lawsuits from the likes of Nintendo.
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo did file a suit against Power World's development team,
<v Speaker 1>so there's.
<v Speaker 2>Plenty of precedent for that for sure.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this one seemed like quite a mess because, Eka,
<v Speaker 1>you could tell me, like the video game industry, people
<v Speaker 1>making games, the whole idea is you play a game,
<v Speaker 1>you come in the next day, you're like, man, that
<v Speaker 1>idea is so good. How can we carry it forward?
<v Speaker 1>How can we do something cool with that in our game?
<v Speaker 1>And that's something we obviously want. I think the industry
<v Speaker 1>has just been better because people riff on other people's ideas,
<v Speaker 1>and then there's stuff like this where it's like, I
<v Speaker 1>think they're just copying the other game.
<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about this?
<v Speaker 1>Like where did you like, should the publisher be feeling
<v Speaker 1>like they're under assault here a little bit from a
<v Speaker 1>controversy you like this? Or should they have just like
<v Speaker 1>stood up and put the game out?
<v Speaker 4>Anyhow, while you're mentioning this, I had to look it
<v Speaker 4>up and I was like, oh, Okay, it looks just
<v Speaker 4>like links.
<v Speaker 3>So I think, you know, we're.
<v Speaker 4>Inspired by games all the time, and there are a
<v Speaker 4>lot of developers you know, like for us like Dosa
<v Speaker 4>Diva's is, you know, like Bravely Default and Octopath and
<v Speaker 4>you know Paper Mario one thousand your Door. I think
<v Speaker 4>that's like, okay, sort of the the feeling of playing
<v Speaker 4>something like that in our sort of our version of it.
<v Speaker 4>But I think there's inspiration and then there's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 4>this looks exactly like this particular character or this particular design,
<v Speaker 4>which I'm not really I don't think it's the same thing.
<v Speaker 4>And I know why people are doing this. It's like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>you know, there's we're getting a Nintendo type game on
<v Speaker 4>Steam which you can't get a.
<v Speaker 2>Which I think was.
<v Speaker 4>The other Pokemon game you mentioned Power was just that
<v Speaker 4>kind of exactly.
<v Speaker 3>I've seen some other games.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it blew up so and then they settled and
<v Speaker 4>they settle out of court or something.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I believe that's how that went. That sounds right
<v Speaker 2>to me.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, So I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not a as a game designer developer, I don't
<v Speaker 4>like ripping stuff off directly like this, Like I don't
<v Speaker 4>see the point. If we're spending all this time making
<v Speaker 4>a game, it still takes even if you're copying something,
<v Speaker 4>it still takes a lot of time to put it together.
<v Speaker 4>If I'm going to spend my time making a game,
<v Speaker 4>I want to make something that feels fresh hopefully, so.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, exactly.
<v Speaker 1>And it's uh, you know, this is not Steam stepping
<v Speaker 1>in necessarily, this is not even Nintendo stepping up.
<v Speaker 2>This is just a community driven.
<v Speaker 1>Sort of being like, what are you guys doing over there,
<v Speaker 1>and then the publisher feeling the heat, which is you know,
<v Speaker 1>maybe the way that's just criticism, right, that's people criticizing
<v Speaker 1>it and and then them feeling kind of a shame
<v Speaker 1>that that's what they're doing and pulling back on it.
<v Speaker 2>A little bit, which is probably the way it should work.
<v Speaker 1>Interesting to see what will happen next with that, or
<v Speaker 1>if that game comes back in any state that looks
<v Speaker 1>like it did in those trailers where yeah, people are like,
<v Speaker 1>that's just link on a charizard.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that looks exactly the same. That's pretty wild.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it is interesting cop copying two different games
<v Speaker 4>that are really hard to make by themselves. I mean
<v Speaker 4>also as a developer, I'm like, okay, are you gonna
<v Speaker 4>like people are expecting two different genres matched together, and
<v Speaker 4>that's that's also making it very difficult for yourself, Like.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's a lot of these games though,
<v Speaker 1>are just like here's every genre in a game, which
<v Speaker 1>is always like yeah, I mean the impowered world it
<v Speaker 1>worked a little bit, so we'll see. Yeah, can can't
<v Speaker 1>high win and chat like points out like a propos
<v Speaker 1>of nothing. Remember when Sega straight up copied spider Man,
<v Speaker 1>Batman and Terminator for Shnoby.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do, and that was a lot of fun.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they don't do that anymore.
<v Speaker 3>I love the games.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, for sure. That new Shnoby was really great
<v Speaker 2>as well.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's keep Let's get to this next story before
<v Speaker 1>we take our break. Sports Horizon six is set to
<v Speaker 1>have a better launch than any of its predecessor. This
<v Speaker 1>is from Jonas Mackia Game Reactor. As you know two
<v Speaker 1>thousand and fives, Forts and Motorsport marked the beginning of
<v Speaker 1>the Forts A series, and it was popular right from
<v Speaker 1>the start, though not yet a massive franchise.
<v Speaker 2>However, when it expanded with.
<v Speaker 1>The spinoff Forts of Horizon in twenty twelve, things really
<v Speaker 1>took off. Today, it's Horizon that defines Fortsa as a brand,
<v Speaker 1>and Forts the Horizon five reached over fifty million players
<v Speaker 1>last autumn. Despite this incredible success, the analytics from Alenia
<v Speaker 1>partner excuse me, Alena Analytics now expects Forts of Horizon
<v Speaker 1>six to get off to an even better start.
<v Speaker 2>This time.
<v Speaker 1>The journey takes us to Japan, where a cross section
<v Speaker 1>of the country has been recreated, with plenty of iconic landmarks,
<v Speaker 1>massive cities, villages, and temples to drive around. This is
<v Speaker 1>clearly appealing, as they write, our estimates show that Forts
<v Speaker 1>the Horizon six has already raced past five hundred thousand
<v Speaker 1>copies on Steam over a month before launch, so pre
<v Speaker 1>orders are coming in and this is We did see
<v Speaker 1>something similar with Forts of Horizon one, where apparently in
<v Speaker 1>that early access period where you could play it a
<v Speaker 1>week early and get the bonus stuff if you're willing
<v Speaker 1>to pay one hundred dollars or if you have the
<v Speaker 1>game pass, if you're willing to pay like forty bucks
<v Speaker 1>on top of like what you're already paying for game pass,
<v Speaker 1>it sold like a million copies in that time frame.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, hey, at a certain point, they got
<v Speaker 1>to give give things up a little bit and you're
<v Speaker 1>going to get diminishing returns. That doesn't seem to be
<v Speaker 1>happening here, and it's probably a big part of that
<v Speaker 1>is people have been waiting for this game to go
<v Speaker 1>to Japan and seeing that setting. So I know, any
<v Speaker 1>excitement from you about Forts Horizon. It's a series I
<v Speaker 1>like quite a bit, but I'm not sure how I'm
<v Speaker 1>feeling about this one.
<v Speaker 3>Oh I do too. Thought I love five, and I
<v Speaker 3>think I two Horizon.
<v Speaker 4>I only I think maybe I started playing on four
<v Speaker 4>and then five is where I really spent a lot
<v Speaker 4>of time. My older son two boys, and he loves
<v Speaker 4>it too. We talk about it. It's it's just the
<v Speaker 4>setup is like remember the Burnout series Paradis City, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course, yeah, they were seeing the whole time.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but like that set up is just like driving
<v Speaker 4>around and getting in the in and out of things.
<v Speaker 4>I just the the scope of it and the presentation
<v Speaker 4>of it is great.
<v Speaker 3>I think last one was in Mexico, wasn't it.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the last one was in Mexico, and it looked fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>It looks fantastic, and then the way, you know, just
<v Speaker 4>all the different things you can do running around it
<v Speaker 4>just definitely I'm excited for it. The the thing I'm
<v Speaker 4>curious about is I don't know anything about Microsoft and
<v Speaker 4>publishing and the internal team. Is this like if a
<v Speaker 4>linear analytics is saying they expected to do well if
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't do hit numbers, is that like a I might.
<v Speaker 4>I'm curious at a team this size or when it's
<v Speaker 4>the first party title of what what is success for them?
<v Speaker 4>Because I think it's a much much higher oh yes number,
<v Speaker 4>then then we probably think, like it's five hundred thousand copies?
<v Speaker 3>Good are they expecting two million copies?
<v Speaker 1>Like I think it's just five hundred thousand already sold
<v Speaker 1>on Steam.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I think.
<v Speaker 1>That's what he's saying, which is that's crazy before the
<v Speaker 1>game's even out, because then once it's out, so it's
<v Speaker 1>going to skyrocket.
<v Speaker 2>But you're right, like, uh, they.
<v Speaker 1>Have diminished the importance of forts a motorsport and Turn
<v Speaker 1>ten has sort of been like kind of wound down
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and that means there's some more pressure
<v Speaker 1>on Horizon for sure, because that's now the main star
<v Speaker 1>over there. It is like it is really the standout
<v Speaker 1>star for the recent strategy of let's put games out
<v Speaker 1>on PlayStation. Apparently it's sold like five million copies on
<v Speaker 1>PlayStation or something crazy like that. So yeah, this has
<v Speaker 1>got to continue that success and then and then grow
<v Speaker 1>to your point, So we'll we'll do that, you know.
<v Speaker 1>It's I think this one stands every chance of doing
<v Speaker 1>everything that Microsoft and everyone involved wants it to do.
<v Speaker 2>Of course you'll be like, what's the future of forts
<v Speaker 2>after that?
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they have loft some time to figure that
<v Speaker 1>out if this game is succeeding that much.
<v Speaker 3>And this is developed by Playground. They're in Vancouver.
<v Speaker 1>I think this is Playground, Yes, Playground, and they have this,
<v Speaker 1>and then they should have Fable coming as well this year.
<v Speaker 1>So wow, we've got a couple of games back to back,
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, that's that's gonna be impressive to see. That's
<v Speaker 1>that is the kind of thing where, man, that studio
<v Speaker 1>has a lot riding on those two this year, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to see how both get received. All Right,
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a break. Plenty of headlines to get
<v Speaker 1>into after this. We're gonna go check out a trailer
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<v Speaker 1>Echa on grub Let's get back into the headlines with
<v Speaker 1>Fasmophobia Limited time event FAsMA Fasmophobia by alan Wake announced.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Sal Ramano at Gamatsu. Kinnectic Games has
<v Speaker 1>announced Fasmophobia Limited time event Fasmophobia by alan Wake, which
<v Speaker 1>will bring the world of alan Wake two into the
<v Speaker 1>cooperative psychological horror game. It will launch on May twelfth.
<v Speaker 1>The crossover event introduces a new presence that bleeds into
<v Speaker 1>familiar locations, shifts in the shadows and twist investigations and
<v Speaker 1>waste ghost hunters have never encountered before. There are many
<v Speaker 1>fans of this is a quote now, there are many
<v Speaker 1>fans of Esmophobia at Remedies. So it was a thrilling
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to bring these two horror worlds together in this
<v Speaker 1>dream or rather nightmare collaboration, says Remedy Entertainment creative director
<v Speaker 1>Sam Lake and a press release, it was a joy
<v Speaker 1>to write this. Our two twisted worlds amplify each other perfectly,
<v Speaker 1>and then Kinetic Game CEO Daniel Knight added a lot
<v Speaker 1>of the same sort of platitude saying this is fun
<v Speaker 1>to do.
<v Speaker 2>It's out May twelfth.
<v Speaker 1>As I said, Eck, I would ask you, man, these
<v Speaker 1>partnerships between developers of all kinds of scales or you
<v Speaker 1>just see it all the time, how do these sort
<v Speaker 1>of things like happen? Is this something that you're looking at?
<v Speaker 2>Ever?
<v Speaker 1>Like, hey, can we get our characters into your game
<v Speaker 1>vice versa?
<v Speaker 2>Is it like trading points or whatever? How does it
<v Speaker 2>all work?
<v Speaker 4>And we talked about, you know, how do you market
<v Speaker 4>a game or yeah, you get an audience to look
<v Speaker 4>at your game. I think this is a great matchup
<v Speaker 4>of like two different, you know, similar genre games. They're
<v Speaker 4>very different games, right, like as Phobia is, it's massive,
<v Speaker 4>massive game, right Like, I don't know how big the
<v Speaker 4>team is, but it's been it blew up and it's
<v Speaker 4>been going for a long time. So I think it's
<v Speaker 4>it's great to see like alan Wake mixed in there.
<v Speaker 4>So I think it's it's benefit beneficial for both parties here,
<v Speaker 4>Like Remedy gets to didn't they make a multiplayer control.
<v Speaker 1>Or some Yeah they made fire break or something. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>can remember exactly the name that that is that's winding down?
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Yeah, I mean and like for us, we're working
<v Speaker 4>with the outer Sloth or among us folks right, Like
<v Speaker 4>they funded our project, which is like, okay, I think
<v Speaker 4>you know they're I love that because it's so hard
<v Speaker 4>to try to get publishing or funding right now. And
<v Speaker 4>I like these guys fast folks and a bunch of
<v Speaker 4>other teams are also like collaboration with other teams and
<v Speaker 4>are helping people out with things. And we're talking to
<v Speaker 4>folks all the time, and like we also have a
<v Speaker 4>couple bundles we did on launch for you know, see
<v Speaker 4>us yeah in Stars and Time, and you know, with
<v Speaker 4>and a partner, our last publisher, So we're like finding
<v Speaker 4>ways to work with developers.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's great.
<v Speaker 4>It's another avenue and a way to introduce a fan
<v Speaker 4>base to something that they might like and didn't know about.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems to me like the that publishing landscape,
<v Speaker 1>the way to navigate it right now is to kind
<v Speaker 1>of partner it with people who are just into games.
<v Speaker 2>As much as you are.
<v Speaker 1>Like, obviously it's all a business, and obviously everyone wants
<v Speaker 1>to be making like takes the money we have now
<v Speaker 1>put it into something else so we make more money.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, that's what everyone wants, but.
<v Speaker 1>It seems like to get like a decent publishing deal
<v Speaker 1>you have to work with people who have been in
<v Speaker 1>your situation before and understand it and have empathy for
<v Speaker 1>what you're going to be going through trying to make
<v Speaker 1>a game. Is that I mean, I know that it's
<v Speaker 1>Outer Sloth, right, that that is a team that does
<v Speaker 1>get that.
<v Speaker 2>But is there a lot of that stuff out there
<v Speaker 2>for other developers.
<v Speaker 1>And and for people to try to navigate this this
<v Speaker 1>kind of tough publishing space at the moment.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think you know, the market's tough, but there
<v Speaker 4>are games that are blowing up, like right you're playing
<v Speaker 4>Slay the fire Right two for example.
<v Speaker 3>That just blew up huge, huge, Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>And and those guys are also you know, supporting some
<v Speaker 4>of the Outer Sloth teams as well, And so I
<v Speaker 4>love seeing that. I love seeing these developers that are
<v Speaker 4>doing well and want to and know what it felt
<v Speaker 4>like when it was harder on various projects, some projects,
<v Speaker 4>most projects don't do great. So being able to support
<v Speaker 4>somebody else that's in a position that they a project
<v Speaker 4>they believe in, I think that's awesome.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to see more of that for.
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, definitely, And I think, like you know, the
<v Speaker 1>video gaming is kind of a small community, whether you're
<v Speaker 1>talking about the people like covering the games in artist
<v Speaker 1>or making games, it seems like everyone knows each other.
<v Speaker 1>And I think at the end of the day, when
<v Speaker 1>people have success, they want to spread that out a
<v Speaker 1>little bit and do their best to make sure everyone
<v Speaker 1>can kind of get a piece of it. So hopefully
<v Speaker 1>we do get a lot more of it and get
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of some of these weird corporations
<v Speaker 1>tainting the space.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 1>Up next, Sony's Mia live service game is going in
<v Speaker 1>the exact direction you'd expect. I guess this is from
<v Speaker 1>Eddie McCook at game Spot. New details have come to
<v Speaker 1>light regarding Sony's upcoming multiplayer live service game, fair Games,
<v Speaker 1>including information about one of its game modes and its
<v Speaker 1>reported business model. When fair Games was announced in twenty
<v Speaker 1>twenty three, Sony called it a competitive heist experience, and
<v Speaker 1>now Insider Gaming has reported details on one of its
<v Speaker 1>game modes, Cargo Heist. This will reportedly play out in
<v Speaker 1>three phases, including break in, which has players looking for
<v Speaker 1>a vault code and collecting cash to upgrade their skill set.
<v Speaker 1>In the next phase, drill, players will get inside the
<v Speaker 1>vault and fight to collect the cargo. The third phase
<v Speaker 1>is extract, which player has players carrying the cargo to
<v Speaker 1>an extraction site. Fair Games could have other modes, but
<v Speaker 1>only cargo heist that was detailed in the report. Some
<v Speaker 1>are saying this description gives off Marathon vibes, which itself
<v Speaker 1>is an extraction based game. Also in the report, it's
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that fair Games will be free to play, and
<v Speaker 1>it will use micro transactions to make money. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>it was also reported that the game's next playtest is
<v Speaker 1>coming up this weekend, but it's not.
<v Speaker 2>Open to the public.
<v Speaker 1>A number of key developers at Fairgames studio Haven have
<v Speaker 1>left the company since the game was announced, including Haven
<v Speaker 1>founder Jade Raymond and the game's director Daniel dre Poe.
<v Speaker 1>It was reported in May twenty twenty five that Fairgames
<v Speaker 1>was delayed to twenty twenty six after a playtest proved unfavorable. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, man, so another one that has at least
<v Speaker 1>extraction elements.
<v Speaker 2>You know. The whole idea with this live service.
<v Speaker 1>Space seems to me to be like, hey, if we
<v Speaker 1>do hit, it's going to hit big, and so We
<v Speaker 1>just need to find the right combination of ingredients to
<v Speaker 1>get keep people, to get people hooked right away and
<v Speaker 1>keep them coming back and make it a hangout space
<v Speaker 1>for their friends. And once we do that, then this
<v Speaker 1>is a thing that can just make money for years
<v Speaker 1>and years and years. It's easier said than done, though, right,
<v Speaker 1>Like being able to put together those ingredients.
<v Speaker 2>If you were in.
<v Speaker 1>This situation, it's like, really, what other buzzword other than
<v Speaker 1>extraction is there to go to right now to get
<v Speaker 1>like publishers excited? Is this kind of the circumstance of
<v Speaker 1>the studio's got to put something together that is going
<v Speaker 1>to make Sony excited. So they kind of have to
<v Speaker 1>be able to say, hey, look at what these other
<v Speaker 1>games are doing, maybe we can do that. And that's
<v Speaker 1>what led to this description of the game.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Haven are they owned by Sony?
<v Speaker 2>Remember?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>So, like I mean, I think there was like an
<v Speaker 4>initiative right in early twenty twenties of like, yes, is
<v Speaker 4>it Tarkov that was blowing up.
<v Speaker 2>Tarkoff in the Hunt? Yeah? The Hunt?
<v Speaker 4>Right? And I see this all the time and over
<v Speaker 4>the years, whether it's MMOs or the forever games. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I think this is just just sort of like an
<v Speaker 4>evolution of forever games, like extraction is what people want.
<v Speaker 4>But then if it takes five six years to make
<v Speaker 4>one of these things, the audience might already moved on
<v Speaker 4>to the next thing. And there's so many forever games
<v Speaker 4>that you're willing to play right like wherever your friends are.
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's like the same kind of MMO
<v Speaker 4>problem too, is like there's gonna be one or two
<v Speaker 4>that's going to do well and everything else people are
<v Speaker 4>going to try and bounce off. And so you've already
<v Speaker 4>spent millions and millions and getting to market where they
<v Speaker 4>may not be an audience or there's already like I
<v Speaker 4>don't know how Marathon's doing.
<v Speaker 3>I don't. It's not a game I play, but it's.
<v Speaker 1>Got great word of mouth, but it's maybe not selling
<v Speaker 1>the way that they that a bunch needs a game
<v Speaker 1>to sell is kind of my understanding.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And on the opposite, and I think this is
<v Speaker 4>why friends loot games are doing well because there's no commitment.
<v Speaker 4>You just go in, getting really quick, hang out with
<v Speaker 4>your friends, and you're out. There is no big meta
<v Speaker 4>or to need to build a you know, buy a
<v Speaker 4>you know, a season pass kind of thing or I
<v Speaker 4>think that's that's also interesting from the you know scale
<v Speaker 4>of us our projects. You know, we're like fourteen folks
<v Speaker 4>on a bigger project or something like we're pro typing
<v Speaker 4>like three people. Like we're not going to make an
<v Speaker 4>extraction shooter, Like there's it's not a thing that we're into.
<v Speaker 4>But also like the sort of the if you're trying
<v Speaker 4>to compete against Marathon, there's expectations from the player, right,
<v Speaker 4>like the quality of it. Yeah, the amount of content
<v Speaker 4>and the amount of updates. That's a that's a life
<v Speaker 4>service team, which is if you're doing excuse me, something
<v Speaker 4>like a Marathon or Destiny, that's multiple teams that happened
<v Speaker 4>to work around the clock to like release new weapons,
<v Speaker 4>so the other team's working on the next thing. And
<v Speaker 4>that's I don't know, that's that's a lot. I yeah,
<v Speaker 4>big commitment. I almost wish some of these big teams
<v Speaker 4>would try to get to like almost a pro type
<v Speaker 4>quicker and then see you yeah, there's a thing for it.
<v Speaker 3>But it's I think it's two things.
<v Speaker 4>There's like old way of development, but that's that's gone
<v Speaker 4>from three years to five to seven now, and the
<v Speaker 4>market's changing all the time, and so there were being
<v Speaker 4>a lot of this prize get canceled or they show
<v Speaker 4>up and no one's no one plays.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have no idea.
<v Speaker 4>You make the decisions as like as like a Sony
<v Speaker 4>or or you know, some big publisher, and the market
<v Speaker 4>changes under.
<v Speaker 2>The ground, ships from underneath your feet.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, even in a perfect
<v Speaker 1>insight into what people want. Right, because Chat pointed out
<v Speaker 1>this could also just very much be a Payday like
<v Speaker 1>which was also very very successful, was pay Day two,
<v Speaker 1>right Chat, that was really popped off, and then they
<v Speaker 1>that team followed it up with Payday three, and the
<v Speaker 1>community didn't migrate to that. It has been sort of
<v Speaker 1>a mess since then. I think Payday two still has
<v Speaker 1>more players. And again I could be getting some of
<v Speaker 1>those details wrong, but that's generally what happened there, and
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, those that's the people that the team
<v Speaker 1>that the have the most insights into what works and
<v Speaker 1>what doesn't from a genre like that, and for even them,
<v Speaker 1>it's a struggle to like understand how to get a
<v Speaker 1>community to move on to the next thing, or get
<v Speaker 1>them to shift their interest or to appeal to them
<v Speaker 1>in a different way. And so yeah, it's a challenge,
<v Speaker 1>and it really does feel like a lottery ticket a
<v Speaker 1>lot of the times. And you're right, like, like, what
<v Speaker 1>would be the solution, more frequent prototyping, something along those lines,
<v Speaker 1>But that's not the business that Sony's in, so they're
<v Speaker 1>going to keep doing stuff like this. I'm surprised we're
<v Speaker 1>still hearing about fair Games. Sony did do a calling recently.
<v Speaker 1>They canceled some other stuff, but this one might still
<v Speaker 1>sneak through. They must believe believe in it to some extent.
<v Speaker 1>And I get it because Payday is one of those
<v Speaker 1>ones very popular, but it's it does not feel like
<v Speaker 1>that genre has had its Fortnite moment where it just
<v Speaker 1>got opened up to everybody and like everyone in their
<v Speaker 1>little brother was playing. And so Sony looks at them like,
<v Speaker 1>maybe we could do that for this genre. But fair Games,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We haven't seen it, so we're gonna
<v Speaker 1>have to see for ourselves at some point when that reappears,
<v Speaker 1>whether or not it has the juice to pull that off.
<v Speaker 3>Is this the modern is this like? Is this heat? Is?
<v Speaker 3>Pay Day?
<v Speaker 4>Is essentially the movie Heat? You know as a fantasy
<v Speaker 4>right like plan going right.
<v Speaker 1>Extract Fair Games was definitely like the more Fortnite take
<v Speaker 1>on that I'm trying to remember exactly, but I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>take a look at a screenshot real quick. That's my
<v Speaker 1>like immediate response. I think they were trying to like
<v Speaker 1>play it up and make it more stylized and stuff
<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, it has a lot of those
<v Speaker 1>like colorful smoke cloud grenades where it's like here's the
<v Speaker 1>pink grenades being set off and now there's a cloud
<v Speaker 1>of pink smoke, and like they're doing that for a
<v Speaker 1>stylized effect, but also that's a gameplay service as well.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I stopped playing shooters a long time ago. I'm
<v Speaker 4>not just I don't know. I just feel like it's
<v Speaker 4>such a mind space unless you're doing something different with it.
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know, Oh, yes, it's not a space
<v Speaker 3>for me. I'd rather play something else.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's a it's a red ocean for sure,
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, yeah, there's just not a lot of
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you got to really come with something. I
<v Speaker 1>mean that's the real trouble for a company like Sony,
<v Speaker 1>right is, like you talked about the seven year development
<v Speaker 1>cycle that we found ourselves moving into. And there's just
<v Speaker 1>a couple of things you can do at the beginning
<v Speaker 1>of a seven year development cycle to make sure your
<v Speaker 1>game is going to be set apart and be able
<v Speaker 1>to stand out in the marketplace all those years later.
<v Speaker 1>And it's to make the most expensive thing possible, to
<v Speaker 1>make something that just looks stunning. That's the one guarantee
<v Speaker 1>you have, and that that has caused cost to just
<v Speaker 1>keep going up and up and up, and it becomes unsustainable.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 1>Assassin's Creed Black Flag Recinct reportedly drops Anchor this July.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Levi Winslow at game Spot. It seems
<v Speaker 1>the rumors may be real after all. The Assassins Creed
<v Speaker 1>four remake will reportedly launch on July ninth. Talked about
<v Speaker 1>this A bunch just feels like, is this thing actually
<v Speaker 1>ever gonna happen? It was supposed to happen earlier this year,
<v Speaker 1>and then it didn't. Now we just have a new
<v Speaker 1>date for that. Do you think a lot of games,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously Ubisoft has their own problems, are a
<v Speaker 1>lot of dates still moving around because of Grant Auto six.
<v Speaker 1>I know you were talking about picking a date, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's like more than just any one game obviously,
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, nailing down a release date for a game
<v Speaker 1>like this or any game, what does go into that?
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know what it's like at a
<v Speaker 4>at a game this size, right, I haven't worked in
<v Speaker 4>Triple A and like since Shiny Entertainment days enter.
<v Speaker 3>The matrix path in the PS two era, right.
<v Speaker 2>Like real valumes.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I'm really curious for I think for
<v Speaker 4>what goes into this kind of thing, it's probably quarterly
<v Speaker 4>earnings when they need to have to ship it, where
<v Speaker 4>the money is coming from, where they think the stock
<v Speaker 4>price is an Obisoft isn't Aren't they hurting right now?
<v Speaker 2>With Yeah? So ubi soft is hurting in a lot
<v Speaker 2>of ways.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they got that that spin off part of their
<v Speaker 1>company that's still you be Soft by ten cents involved,
<v Speaker 1>but it's just making a handful of the big pillar games.
<v Speaker 1>And then there's a lot of questions remaining about all
<v Speaker 1>these other franchises they just most recently they delayed all
<v Speaker 1>of their games, including this one, but everything that was
<v Speaker 1>supposed to come out this year, announced and unannounced got delayed.
<v Speaker 1>And then six other projects got canceled, and it's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so that that is one of the questions. It's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>they didn't didn't seem like they were going to have
<v Speaker 1>anything this year. This is them sort of restarting things
<v Speaker 1>and being like, Okay, we've taken our breather, We've once
<v Speaker 1>again made our appeal to investors not to abandon ship.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to start putting games out again, and this
<v Speaker 1>will be the first one of those, and then the
<v Speaker 1>question will be like, well they have anything to follow
<v Speaker 1>that up with this year, But yeah, this is the
<v Speaker 1>one that that you know, will probably do all right
<v Speaker 1>because people really do like Assassin's Creed for and it's
<v Speaker 1>been what thirteen twelve to thirteen years since that game
<v Speaker 1>came out, So yes, seeh I go ahead and't yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I know, that's that's right.
<v Speaker 4>I guess Xbox one launch, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Remaster would be.
<v Speaker 4>I think it makes sense if they spent all this
<v Speaker 4>time you know, building those assets, like refactoring into a
<v Speaker 4>new story is a lot easier than rebuilding the whole world.
<v Speaker 4>I'm assuming they're uprising whatever else they're going to make
<v Speaker 4>it feel more modern. But yeah, I enjoyed that at
<v Speaker 4>the sort of the pace of that game.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, me too, And it's uh yeah, this is
<v Speaker 1>one of those ones where like it's probably.
<v Speaker 2>Pretty cost effective for sure.
<v Speaker 1>They have, you know, other ways that it feels like
<v Speaker 1>you've be soft is starting to come out of this.
<v Speaker 1>This most recent stupor is the talks of reuniting the
<v Speaker 1>team that made Prince of Persia the Lost Crown. It's like, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>I'll believe all this when I see it. They do
<v Speaker 1>have to kind of get their head out of their
<v Speaker 1>ass a little bit over there, because it has just
<v Speaker 1>been such a mess, and the all the headlines have
<v Speaker 1>been here's how we're laying people off, and here's how
<v Speaker 1>we're reorganizing. It's okay, yeah, Well, when are you gonna
<v Speaker 1>like the people that you still have employed, the thousands
<v Speaker 1>and thousands of people who could be making cool stuff.
<v Speaker 1>When are you gonna unleash them and start putting cool
<v Speaker 1>stuff out again? This at the very beginning of that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think a UBI soft leadership which has not
<v Speaker 1>changed is going to lead to much differences and to
<v Speaker 1>the actual results for that company. So they'll probably be
<v Speaker 1>back right back here in a year or two.
<v Speaker 2>Once again, a.
<v Speaker 4>Public companies and making games I think are just in
<v Speaker 4>direct conflict with each other. Like it's just I guess
<v Speaker 4>it's not a I don't know, it's not like a
<v Speaker 4>widget you can just crank out every quarter. Like every
<v Speaker 4>game has problems, teams are different and market changes. It's like,
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I think it's it's a lot of
<v Speaker 4>these games and teams suffer in the long run, right
<v Speaker 4>because publishers or the public companies making decisions for the
<v Speaker 4>short term quarter needs. And that's why you see these
<v Speaker 4>games that were doing well or you know, a lot
<v Speaker 4>of these games were new games and new ips that
<v Speaker 4>they tried out, and it took a while for that
<v Speaker 4>to blow up. And if you're not doing that, things
<v Speaker 4>are going to get stale. People audience doesn't want the
<v Speaker 4>same thing every year. As you see with all these
<v Speaker 4>big franchises that are other than sports titles, there's no choice.
<v Speaker 4>There's no alternatives for a Madden or a two K, right, Like,
<v Speaker 4>the players are going to play it, they'll show up,
<v Speaker 4>they're not going to be happy about it. But some
<v Speaker 4>of these other games, there's a lot of options, especially
<v Speaker 4>these days, like yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And then when people once people like sort of exit
<v Speaker 1>out of that it's really hard.
<v Speaker 2>To get them back, get them excited again, for sure.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean this making video games was a
<v Speaker 1>space that was not maybe not primarily, but did happen
<v Speaker 1>often in garages and small developers all around the world,
<v Speaker 1>and corporations just slowly position themselves in between all of
<v Speaker 1>the cool art being made and the people spinning the money,
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, we're going to get our action on this,
<v Speaker 1>and they just have brought nothing. It feel like they've
<v Speaker 1>brought nothing to the party and have just been a drag.
<v Speaker 1>And now I think they are starting to wake up
<v Speaker 1>to that reality what you said of how they are
<v Speaker 1>in direct opposition to getting games made, and they're starting
<v Speaker 1>to be like, wait, what are we doing here, because
<v Speaker 1>maybe we can't maybe there's a ceiling for what we
<v Speaker 1>can make from this. And they're in the process of
<v Speaker 1>like decoupling and it's leaving an absolute trash fire in
<v Speaker 1>its wake in this industry and it's like, oh, we're
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to sort of repair ourselves because these companies
<v Speaker 1>aren't going to figure it out.
<v Speaker 2>Of course they're not.
<v Speaker 1>No, All right, last couple of stories here, Slay the
<v Speaker 1>Spire two is getting review bombed all over again after
<v Speaker 1>its latest update.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Lewis Parker at Kotaku.
<v Speaker 1>For the second time in the last thirty days, Slay
<v Speaker 1>the Spire two is getting review bombed on Steam. As
<v Speaker 1>of this writing, three thousand, six hundred nine negative reviews
<v Speaker 1>have been levied against the game in the past twelve hours,
<v Speaker 1>and once again, the overwhelming majority of the negative reviews
<v Speaker 1>are from accounts based in China. So you guys might
<v Speaker 1>be wonder, Hey, what's going on here? How what do
<v Speaker 1>they offend the Chinese people? You know, there's some cultural stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Did you put skeletons in the game? Turns out Chinese
<v Speaker 1>people don't care about that all that much. That's a
<v Speaker 1>government thing. So what happened is the game just changed
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. It had some changes to its balance.
<v Speaker 1>But the interesting thing, I'm just learning about this in Eka.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know more. Maybe maybe this is new to
<v Speaker 1>you as well. I don't know, but apparently, because of
<v Speaker 1>the crackdown on social media in China and now, and
<v Speaker 1>people who make games not being on the social media
<v Speaker 1>platforms that they do use in China, the one way
<v Speaker 1>that they feel that they have they have to make
<v Speaker 1>their voices heard is through Steam reviews, so they go
<v Speaker 1>onto Steam and post their stuff on there to get
<v Speaker 1>noticed as hey, I'm frustrated, please hear me, and it
<v Speaker 1>does get a response, so that has spread and people
<v Speaker 1>keep doing it. Is this something you've heard other developers
<v Speaker 1>talking about? How do you how do you deal with this?
<v Speaker 1>Because obviously it's like this is just how they feel
<v Speaker 1>and you can't control user reviews, So yeah, how do
<v Speaker 1>you feel about all this?
<v Speaker 2>SECA?
<v Speaker 4>I think the Inspired team on the first one and
<v Speaker 4>on this they do weekly updates. That is wild to me,
<v Speaker 4>Like if you're going to release it every seven days,
<v Speaker 4>that means you're building it for three, four or five
<v Speaker 4>days and then you're testing it and you're releasing it.
<v Speaker 4>It's like that's that is a hard cadence. Yeah, very
<v Speaker 4>diff col And then of course and then yeah, the
<v Speaker 4>reviews as a way to communicate I get that, but
<v Speaker 4>it was also just very disheartening as a developers.
<v Speaker 2>You're, yeah, what can you do about that game?
<v Speaker 4>It's it's an early access, like we're not they're not
<v Speaker 4>charging you more money for these updates, and it's like, ah,
<v Speaker 4>that's that's rough.
<v Speaker 3>And then do you only.
<v Speaker 4>I don't think Slayers Fire one would have been made
<v Speaker 4>if players had to say during development because I'm a player,
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what I want, Like, I know.
<v Speaker 3>What I've played and.
<v Speaker 2>That's it.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, yeah, so it's like, I don't know. I
<v Speaker 4>feel like I would give them a little bit of
<v Speaker 4>credit to the developers. They've they've they made one of
<v Speaker 4>the best games ever made, plays Fire and two seems
<v Speaker 4>like it just is amazing and it's got co op
<v Speaker 4>to right, and so this is this is rough, but
<v Speaker 4>I also understand from the Chinese player's perspective, there's no
<v Speaker 4>other way to for them to give feedback.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope they.
<v Speaker 3>I hope they comes out of this is.
<v Speaker 4>Find some way to give feedback in a different way
<v Speaker 4>that isn't review bombing, because reviews, those negative reviews are
<v Speaker 4>just it really hurt.
<v Speaker 2>It's damaging.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely so, yeah, I am right. And it's like,
<v Speaker 1>oh now it's going to be up to the studio
<v Speaker 1>over there megacrit right to be like, hey, we'll give
<v Speaker 1>you an avenue to yell at us directly. Please don't
<v Speaker 1>do it on Steam reviews. But it's again hard to
<v Speaker 1>change people's behaviors. And this is what's happening. It's going
<v Speaker 1>to be probably an uphill battle to get around this. Now,
<v Speaker 1>there's some stuff built into Steam to mitigate the effects
<v Speaker 1>of stuff like this, right where they do kind of
<v Speaker 1>surface reviews in your language first primarily I'm not exactly
<v Speaker 1>sure how that works. Yes, they definitely have considered issues
<v Speaker 1>like this. The solutions don't seem perfect for sure, but
<v Speaker 1>they are at least aware of that of the way
<v Speaker 1>that people use reviews in all kinds of ways that
<v Speaker 1>isn't necessarily in line with the spirit of tell people
<v Speaker 1>what you think about this game so you can get
<v Speaker 1>them buying guidance or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I'm filtered in English looking at those sides,
<v Speaker 4>and it's it's the reviews are done in English too.
<v Speaker 3>So it's interesting.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's yeah, go ahead, Sorry, there
<v Speaker 4>was there was a I know Steam they'll update their
<v Speaker 4>policies and change some of this stuff. And some games
<v Speaker 4>that review bomb for quote unquote whote content right like
<v Speaker 4>it has nothing to do with the game. It is
<v Speaker 4>just like it doesn't rely with my my beliefs, and
<v Speaker 4>then I'm gonna if I can review bomb it, And
<v Speaker 4>so I think there are some safeguards against this but
<v Speaker 4>in this case, if it's like gameplay related, I don't
<v Speaker 4>know the Steam knows the difference, right, unless you know,
<v Speaker 4>Mega could talk to somebody there. But a lot of
<v Speaker 4>this stuff is so automated now because not a there's
<v Speaker 4>too many games, right, and too many reviews and too
<v Speaker 4>many players, so it has to be some sort of
<v Speaker 4>automated ways to handling some of the stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, all right, Last story here, David Leech is one
<v Speaker 1>confident that the Netflix Gears of War movie will be made.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Ben Lyons at Game Reactor. This year
<v Speaker 1>is set to be a very big and exciting one
<v Speaker 1>for Gears of War fans, as the Coalition will be
<v Speaker 1>delivering a new chapter in the series, a prequel that
<v Speaker 1>actually explores the events before the first title.
<v Speaker 2>It's known as Gears.
<v Speaker 1>Of War E Day, and we'll get to meet it
<v Speaker 1>in greater depth rather soon as part of the dedicated
<v Speaker 1>direct showcase following the Xbox Games Showcase in the summer.
<v Speaker 1>But this is just part of the Gears of War
<v Speaker 1>plan that plans that are ultimately in place, as for
<v Speaker 1>a long while, Netflix and Xbox have been collaborating in
<v Speaker 1>an effort to adapt Gears of War into a feature
<v Speaker 1>length flick. Little has come of this so far, other
<v Speaker 1>than The Fall Guy and Bullet Trains David Leach being
<v Speaker 1>attached as director. Speaking about Leach in a recent interview
<v Speaker 1>with Collider, the director spoke a little bit about Gears
<v Speaker 1>of War said, I think this is going to happen.
<v Speaker 1>We have a great draft in progress that's in really
<v Speaker 1>great shape. The studio is more determined than ever to
<v Speaker 1>make it. Netflix is one hundred percent behind it. The
<v Speaker 1>coalition is fired up as well. They have their game
<v Speaker 1>releasing this year as well, So it's all lining up
<v Speaker 1>that the movie will be happening. Yeah, maybe we'll see
<v Speaker 1>I mean there, I think we're at a point where
<v Speaker 1>a video game movie adaptations have been doing better and
<v Speaker 1>better and better. So obviously the people who are motivated
<v Speaker 1>by success will see that and make it more likely
<v Speaker 1>that this movie will come out. I wanted to ask
<v Speaker 1>you at a slightly different question. There was a time
<v Speaker 1>a few years back where it was probably more than that,
<v Speaker 1>where like the streaming wars were happening in earnest and
<v Speaker 1>it seemed like every game was getting talk to about
<v Speaker 1>a potential show on like Prime Video for children. Is
<v Speaker 1>that something that like ever, like you ever graced up
<v Speaker 1>against anything You've ever had any involvement with or conversations about.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I mean we've had those conversations come up
<v Speaker 4>on I mean we did that with Thursty. We had
<v Speaker 4>like right prepared to treatment, you know, having done two
<v Speaker 4>three IP based games based on films or movies in
<v Speaker 4>the past, I think it's gone a lot better where
<v Speaker 4>the folks that are making these decisions grew up with
<v Speaker 4>the games and understand why, you know, trying to instead
<v Speaker 4>of trying to match a movie like gameplays different, Right,
<v Speaker 4>you have the player, so make an interesting story in
<v Speaker 4>that franchise or that world the players would appreciate, or
<v Speaker 4>in the case of Gears, you know, make a story
<v Speaker 4>in that world that feels like it's homage to the
<v Speaker 4>to the game itself. I haven't played a recent Gear,
<v Speaker 4>so I don't even know like what it's like. I
<v Speaker 4>played the first two and I loved him. I'm just
<v Speaker 4>curious about, like what is the draw and who would
<v Speaker 4>play Phoenix or Marcus?
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, I'm Fatista. Probably he played his character in
<v Speaker 1>the recent game. Maybe that they would like to make
<v Speaker 1>that happen, But I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Good question. Get Alan Richinson or whatever from Oh.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love Reacher. Yeah, and kicking his neighbor's ass.
<v Speaker 2>That was great.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I kind of motion cycles were allowed,
<v Speaker 1>but that was a dumb ass thing to do to
<v Speaker 1>that guy from Reacher.
<v Speaker 4>I'll say, to answer your question a little bit more,
<v Speaker 4>I always assume none of this stuff is gonna ever
<v Speaker 4>fan out, Like even for something as massive as like
<v Speaker 4>Uncharted Right, it took years and years for that to
<v Speaker 4>get into the theaters. The economics of games can be tough,
<v Speaker 4>but I think film is way worse. So I like, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>it'll be interesting. I don't ever assume like I'll have
<v Speaker 4>the meetings and we'll we'll talk about it or do
<v Speaker 4>a treatment, but I just assume that's not really our
<v Speaker 4>primary focus. And if it happens, great, If it doesn't,
<v Speaker 4>I you know, most like most of the times, it's
<v Speaker 4>not gonna happen.
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's so on a whim, right, because it's
<v Speaker 1>like those companies they are chasing trends, just like gaming companies,
<v Speaker 1>and and yeah that they might have the wind in
<v Speaker 1>their cells so much that they have started these conversations,
<v Speaker 1>what does that ever turn into. I mean, like I
<v Speaker 1>said that there were tons of these conversations years back
<v Speaker 1>with all kinds of developers of every scale.
<v Speaker 2>Indie developers were getting talked.
<v Speaker 1>I mean Double Fine had a costume quest show on
<v Speaker 1>Prime Video, like that happened, and it's like that, you know, then, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it had a ton of episodes, but
<v Speaker 1>it's like that's the kind of thing that manifests from
<v Speaker 1>those conversations, and then we don't get a ton of
<v Speaker 1>other ones actually coming to fruition.
<v Speaker 4>I liked the last Mortal Kombat movie, dude, I'm looking
<v Speaker 4>forward to the new one.
<v Speaker 1>I just I watched half of it and I just
<v Speaker 1>really didn't like the oc. I think this new one
<v Speaker 1>looks awesome though, so I'm I'm pretty excited about it.
<v Speaker 3>I saw The Street Fighter.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?
<v Speaker 3>I like this, dude? I like it. I was ready
<v Speaker 3>to hate it, but I'm like, this is fun. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'm in it. I'm all in it.
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was just really fun.
<v Speaker 1>It's the exact right way to put it, and uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, very over the top with the references kind
<v Speaker 1>of non stop in the trailer. But I expect that
<v Speaker 1>now that, especially after Mario has proven that that's just
<v Speaker 1>going to make a lot of money, so uh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>do that, but then make it really stupid and fun
<v Speaker 1>as well.
<v Speaker 2>And I think they're doing all of it, so very excited.
<v Speaker 4>Speaking of Mario, we saw it last weekend. Last weekend,
<v Speaker 4>it was a lot of Seattle indies rented out of theater,
<v Speaker 4>so it was a mega folks.
<v Speaker 3>It was the peak folks.
<v Speaker 4>Agercrab sent some other local indies and brought my both
<v Speaker 4>my boys came with me, and we all just it
<v Speaker 4>was a great way to see Mario with a bunch
<v Speaker 4>of devs. That's really We're all screaming at the at
<v Speaker 4>the screen and like, look at all the references in that.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 4>It's probably not as great of a movie, but we
<v Speaker 4>had a I loved it.
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, it sounds like a great time again. I
<v Speaker 1>think it's a good time at the movie. So I
<v Speaker 1>don't like the movie itself whatever, but it's a good
<v Speaker 1>time at the theater.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 1>That does it for the headlines, everybody. We got plenty
<v Speaker 1>more to do though on this show. We're going to
<v Speaker 1>get to the poll question from yesterday right now. Let's
<v Speaker 1>do that first. I have the results over here somewhere.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to a refresh though, to make sure that
<v Speaker 1>I am caught up to date. Here it is, are
<v Speaker 1>you excited for the Street Fighter movie?
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Or no? I am so.
<v Speaker 1>We're forty one percent to respond, it's fifty nine percent
<v Speaker 1>say no. They have Look that early trailer was doing
<v Speaker 1>a lot, so I can. I don't blame people for
<v Speaker 1>being like, what is this? I hope they're able to
<v Speaker 1>win people over though, just be so over the top
<v Speaker 1>that the movie can do very well. All right, Well,
<v Speaker 1>no new poll question because it's Friday, so we're gonna
<v Speaker 1>wrap up the week in this episode with.
<v Speaker 2>The Bomb twelve.
<v Speaker 1>We'll do that here in a moment before we get
<v Speaker 1>to it, though, ECA one more time, why don't you
<v Speaker 1>tell people where can find you on the internet, what
<v Speaker 1>you have going on?
<v Speaker 2>Tell them about the game? Go ahead?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So we released dos A Divas this week. It's
<v Speaker 4>on Steam and Switch Switch to Xbox PlayStation five. It's
<v Speaker 4>a turn based combat RPG all themed around cooking. It's
<v Speaker 4>got like active combats if you like. Expedition is a
<v Speaker 4>thing that people have played. I'm assuming so or Mario RPG.
<v Speaker 4>We're very much Mario RPG inspired and that's out on
<v Speaker 4>everything it's on sale right now, and we're on Blue
<v Speaker 4>Sky mostly so econot or outer Loop games out there,
<v Speaker 4>and on YouTube and TikTok and on Insta.
<v Speaker 1>So fantastic, awesome, thank you so much. Let's let's see here.
<v Speaker 1>We have, like I said, no new poll question, but
<v Speaker 1>we do have plenty of other stuff happening on giant
<v Speaker 1>Bomb today. We have upf if you go and watch
<v Speaker 1>us today. We are going to be playing scam Line.
<v Speaker 1>This is a weird social deduction game where you can
<v Speaker 1>only talk to the other people in the room with
<v Speaker 1>you if you call them on the phone, and you
<v Speaker 1>have to share information. And that's about all I know.
<v Speaker 1>But we're going to try it out and see how
<v Speaker 1>it goes. So that'll be happening. That'll be fun. There's
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of other stuff happening on the site. We
<v Speaker 1>did put up a new portal Pals this week, so
<v Speaker 1>watch Mike and Mary try to figure out Portal two together.
<v Speaker 2>That's a really good time.
<v Speaker 1>And then a night new episode of Nine Lives Somster
<v Speaker 1>Mistopheles should pop off next week, so get get subscribe,
<v Speaker 1>check that stuff out. It's good, all right, I think
<v Speaker 1>With all that out of the way what we should
<v Speaker 1>do is.
<v Speaker 2>The bomb twelve.
<v Speaker 1>Everybody, these are the twelve games that really matter to
<v Speaker 1>people who are really playing games. We we got your responses,
<v Speaker 1>we collated them, we tallied them up, and here are
<v Speaker 1>the twelve games, starting with number twelve replaced kind of
<v Speaker 1>peeking its way onto the chart. Number eleven is People
<v Speaker 1>of Note. Number ten Dosa Divas.
<v Speaker 2>There you go.
<v Speaker 1>Number nine is Tomadaci Life Living the Dream. I'll say
<v Speaker 1>all the those last four games, I think all came
<v Speaker 1>out in the last week ish or so. Everything in
<v Speaker 1>the first week kind of like bubbles up a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>The next week is when we'll see the real results
<v Speaker 1>for all these everybody. Number eight is Starfield, Number seven
<v Speaker 1>is Pokemon Champions. Number six is Pragmata Pragmaeda. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know how mke what's me to say. I'm gonna say
<v Speaker 1>Pragmata until I actually play the game. Number five is
<v Speaker 1>Hades two. Number four is Slay Thespiring. Fact four through
<v Speaker 1>one you're gonna hear us very familiar to last week, everybody.
<v Speaker 1>So number four was Slay There to number three Pokemon Pacopia.
<v Speaker 1>Number two is Crimson Desert, and once again number one
<v Speaker 1>is Marathon.
<v Speaker 2>People. People like that game.
<v Speaker 1>Been a lot of people continue to play that, Crimson
<v Speaker 1>Desert and Pacopia and now Slayly the Spire too.
<v Speaker 2>For the last several weeks.
<v Speaker 1>I bet Pragmata is going to be able to break
<v Speaker 1>into the top four next week.
<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens. Though.
<v Speaker 3>It's coming out next week, right, it.
<v Speaker 2>Comes out to today out. Ok.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so people just started playing it and I kind
<v Speaker 1>of closed down voting last night. So there's just a
<v Speaker 1>couple of people who trickled in there and they rushed
<v Speaker 1>to number six. All right, let's see that does it
<v Speaker 1>for the Bomb twelve this week. We'll have a new
<v Speaker 1>Bomb twelve next Friday. If you want to submit your
<v Speaker 1>game for consideration to be tallied with the rest of
<v Speaker 1>the votes, go to giant bomb dot com. If you
<v Speaker 1>scroll down, you'll find the Bomb twelve from last week,
<v Speaker 1>and then over on the left there's of vote here tab.
<v Speaker 2>Click on that. It'll take you to the form where
<v Speaker 2>you could submit your game.
<v Speaker 1>All right, with all that out of the way, I
<v Speaker 1>think what we do now is say Eka, thank you
<v Speaker 1>so much much for hanging out with me today and
<v Speaker 1>talking about video games.
<v Speaker 2>Man, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you having me on here. It's been really fun.
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely we'll make it happen again. Would love to thank
<v Speaker 1>you everybody for watching and listening. You are the best
<v Speaker 1>audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one,
<v Speaker 1>take care of yourself and goodbye.