E354- I Guarantee This One Mistake Is Ruining Your Dog Training

[SPEAKER_02]: This gives me hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I was, last Friday was a terrible day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in tears all day long, because I thought I was going to have to get rid of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: My one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been a huge help and just giving me some hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't feel like, I feel like I've got a plan now, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why I wake up every day to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can check that box off today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys know doubt this is probably one of the best podcasts I've done in my opinion in a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is I was actually going to make a podcast specifically about what this owner is dealing with to a point where we may have to re-home the dog or even put the dog down for behavioral reasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, uh, you get to that point where you're like, I don't know what else to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this one thing right here could be the difference between getting, getting rid of your dog, rehoming your dog, putting your dog down or keeping your dog and having a healthy, happy, successful fun relationship with your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I was going to I have it in my notes in front of me right now to make a podcast specifically on this and this dog owner walked directly into this topic and so this is huge guys share this with your friends share this with your dog owners who are struggling so many dog owners struggle.
[SPEAKER_00]: From what this owner is dealing with and I guarantee you if anybody out there is having a hard time with very similar things to this owner Like biting people in the house being aggressive on the leash outside Not being able to have a gas come over with the without aggression just being excited
[SPEAKER_00]: not knowing what to do, going to a trainer and just being told to do one thing and not making sense this is in my opinion guys, there's so much stuff out there and it's hard to read between the lines as dog owners and figure out what the hell to do and this dog owner walked directly into my ethos of helping dog owners who feel so down and so frustrated and they feel like giving up and that's exactly when I come into help this owner at the right time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you guys are listening to this podcast, make sure you hit that subscribe.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're listening to Unspotify, leave us a review on iTunes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And really quick, just one of this, say shout out to my friends at WeeFeedRaw for sponsoring this episode of the podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you guys know, I talk about the difference between a raw, super, super highly dense tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just meals for your dog delivered straight to your door for my friends over at we feed rock and paired to how they process cable.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can save some money right now off your first order by clicking the link in the description.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We feed rock for sponsoring this podcast and thank you guys for listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a three and a half year old golden dittle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I suspect he's maybe even a poodle that he is intact.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was given to us by a family member who has six kids and he was just too much for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we didn't get him to was about seven months old.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we kind of missed that window of better training.
[SPEAKER_02]: But about eight or nine months, when he actually about eight or nine months old, he got became kind of aggressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's very aggressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, the biggest issue right now, he's jumping and biting at my partner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like torn his clothes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just gets very reactive when Danny gets near me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, or if we're getting ready to leave, he gets just, you know, kind of crazy and jump some bicep Danny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he thinks Danny's taking me away from him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but he has the biggest problem is the jumping and biting at Danny.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has got Teddy's got a bite history.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's muzzle train.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's bitten some neighbors mainly when Danny was walking him, not me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can anticipate his behavior better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because I'm the one that's been through a lot of training with him with a local trainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And both of them, I have, I also have a second dog, a doodle who's five and she's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they get ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, let's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three few new.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're breaking up a little bit again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We live in a condo complex with a lot of dogs and a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: gotten better with his leash reactivity passed, you know, most dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still got a few dogs that kind of sets him off, but he's gotten better.
[SPEAKER_02]: He listens to leave it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do both dogs do sit down today.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're really good with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Teddy's probably even better than my older dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, back to the real problem is his biting and nipping Danny, my partner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, you know, when I made the appointment with you because I'm kind of at what's in what to do with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the trainer that I had said, you know, I should have great trained.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm that would have helped him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he is good about putting himself like into a dark spot in bedroom and just kind of taking a time out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets really nervous.
[SPEAKER_02]: He starts shaking when I do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I was just kind of like, didn't know what else to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, like I said, he's been through a lot of training.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does listen, but he just, he's on pro-zac because he has so much anxiety.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I mean, that's kind of, you know, just a really stressful situation for all of us right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know what the next best steps are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Danny was ready to get rid of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I really don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still think there's he's not, you know, he just has to be managed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a bad dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just has to be managed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of like, if I'm not around to manage him, that's that's sort of a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so give me the context of, so right now I know that when Danny gets near you, he tries to bite and go after Danny or anybody probably, I would imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't, my daughter can't give me a hug, nobody can give me a hug.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's interesting, my neighbor, us who's a very dog savvy and has a standard poodle was over and she sat down next to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I could tell he was he started shaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could tell he wanted to do something to her, but he didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got certain people.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows he can't get away with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you do when this happens?
[SPEAKER_00]: Walk me through a scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your role in this situation when it unfolds?
[SPEAKER_00]: And where is this happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's mainly happening inside in our condo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have used spray bottles on him like just bottle water and spray him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He hates that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that does make him stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where does the e-colour come in here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just started using it inside and I haven't actually had an opportunity to you know, use it when he's nipping Danny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I tried to use it the other day and I think I didn't have it on tight enough when he really
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had it on him, but I think I didn't have it on tight enough and I don't think it needs the connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you have you have you have you introduced the remote caller to the dog?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with the trainer I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he knows what it feels like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did use it outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: He started to react the other day to a doggy really doesn't
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, vibrate rather than the, you know, um, the stem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, it just, that vibrate freaks them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he stop?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he knows that that's what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he, this, if he does, doesn't, if he does the wrong thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's helpful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're at a point where
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so to me what it sounds like is it sounds like he has too much freedom, so you have a dog that is biting your partner in your home, and he's still off leash around Danny is that correct?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, so I would I would there's a I mean there's there's a couple ways you can go down this but if I have a dog that I know is going to bite anybody in my household I'm not letting that dog off leash run around the house looking for this person to bite that's that's that's something that you should you should start with Okay, does it make sense?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, just to keep it but I I mean Danny's around a lot so it's hard to keep him on a leash
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he's around, but it's there's triggers.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like when, you know, Danny can walk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Danny can put his collar on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Danny can put his muzzle on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just when those triggers are like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the trigger, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in straight people, you know, people coming near me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, and have, okay, so you haven't corrected the behavior yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at no point in time, have you told this dog that what he's doing is inappropriate and you wanted to stop, correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I've told him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he gets in trouble and actually our dog tries to correct him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all like telling him no.
[SPEAKER_02]: prom collar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I haven't actually in the house parked in and with the with the prom collar.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, being out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I was asking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at no point in time has he actually been corrected for doing this behavior you want him to stop doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not with any kind of like e-colour or prom collar, other than the spray bottle like, you know, he was running after me
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just give this free bottle and that makes him back off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's kind of gotten a lot better with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's two things that you have to approach here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to work on your relationship, because your relationship is the reason why he's doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of this comes down to your handling and your training with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're handling him, it's important to have clarity, it's important to make sure you're not repeating yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's important to make sure that you have clear assertive boundaries and behaviors that you should be doing with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a dog that, he's running the show and because he's running the show, you have to start really taking the wheel right now because this dog is driving the ship and that's a huge problem because it's deadly to him and it's dangerous to everyone around you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's important for you to start putting him on a leash in a collar.
[SPEAKER_00]: in situations where you need to really communicate with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The leash and the collar is your communication and your ability to communicate with the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so right now, he's never been actually punished for the thing that you want to get rid of, period.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like my dog will never sit, but you've never rewarded the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dog won't stop biting, but you've never punished the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And typically without one or the other, things are going to stick around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Without a clear reward system to the dog, to say, hey, that's exactly what I'm looking for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing on the other side of this spectrum without a clear boundary system making sure that we correct the dog for behaviors.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to see You will likely stay in that loop for the rest of your life Throw in money at all sorts of different things trying to get it to work, but the reality is if you really scale back
[SPEAKER_00]: this dog has been doing all the things that you don't want him to do, but he's never been punished for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would put him on his leash in his collar and you'd be building up your relationship with your basic obedience and thresholds, which we'll talk about in a moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's crucial that you have the right moment of a correction when he tries to go after really anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for an example, building a better relationship is pretty simple when you start picking it apart.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something I do on a regular basis with many dog owners.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a dog that, again, running the show, making terrible decisions, making deadly situations for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we want to start to step in and go, hey, we don't want you to, we don't want to have to get rid of you or worse, we want to control this situation, we want to make sure that
[SPEAKER_00]: You're safe and of course everyone else around a safe including your neighbors, your partner, etc.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't sound like he has a lot of leash work inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he knows look at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows leave it.
[SPEAKER_00]: he knows he's putting the leash on and put in the leash on and okay I'm not done that okay so the leash is your training wheels so if at any point in time you do not have the dog on the leash
[SPEAKER_00]: you, and you're asking your dog to do something, you have to have a level three Yoda dog to accomplish that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you do not have that dog, you are wasting your time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I always tell dog owners, you haven't even started training your dog yet, which is the good news.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you haven't done the most basic principle, low hanging, for possible, to start working on this, which is great for you, because you haven't done the right things yet, which is going to,
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you have a think about it like this, when you have a dog, off leash, and you're asking them to do something, you have to incrementally get to that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like anything else in life when you when you go to do something very high end or like, okay, I'm going to go use a race car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go fight with a black bell.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go down to double black diamond.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm whatever, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You must be really good at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, it's my first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to die, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So same exact thing with dog training, there's absolutely no difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you were asking a dog to do a behavior off leash, that is level three, like the highest level of obedience you could possibly get on top of,
[SPEAKER_00]: Some very heavy distractions like him going after your partner for whatever reason so this is Extremely challenging to do even with a with a very trained dog and unless you have this skill sets the practice Experience and and reps in with that behavior you will not so so that's why this is all happening
[SPEAKER_00]: So put him on a leash and start working him inside, because right now you're failing for very, very, very simple reasons, which is, again, it's exciting for you because it's, that's like, it's like the most, you know, minimal low hanging fruit that you can start with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's the leash.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the e-collar just forget that for now, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the e-collar, the e-collar is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just, the e-collar is, the, the, the finishing touches on your advanced obedience.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, you have basic level one obedience right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The e-collar is applied, and really just the finishing touches on the entry, if you will.
[SPEAKER_00]: The e-collar is
[SPEAKER_00]: like an extension of your pre-existing groundwork and framework, but you don't have that foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the e-collar is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I use it often.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an amazing tool, but it really should be introduced to pre-existing behaviors and pre-existing foundations, because if you don't,
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the dog is going to not like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog is likely going to become what we call caller aware, which means they're not going to want to put it on because they know that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to you want to do your basics, build it up, go advanced and then apply that last tool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me ask you this to She's he's not neutered.
[SPEAKER_02]: That helped us behave here at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could, if you knew to him now, it's going to take away his testosterone, which it could make her break.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could make him more anxious, or it could calm him down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it go either way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just depends on where he's at.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would really be focusing on the basic obedience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, I want you to understand that right now you're calling a mechanic and you're saying hey my car won't start and then I say is the mechanic hey have you put gas in it and you say no and then I say okay let's start with that because what what's going on right now is your it's I mean it's the same thing with a puppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Tom.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dog keeps chewing on everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dog is peeing on stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dog is whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, okay, you know, have you party trained your dog?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, not yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why it's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the same exact thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I think your trainer was, and I don't know what your trainer said, but they said, if you create trained, this could be easier, and it could.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's the same principle.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you had, if you had a good foundation, you wouldn't be dealing with a lot of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the kicker, and this is probably the most important part of this conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a self-papetuating thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this means that the lack of foundation and the lack of obedience, which then of course builds a better relationship, a healthy relationship, clear understandings, clear boundaries, the color thresholds,
[SPEAKER_00]: The lack of all of this is likely the reason why he's going after other people in the first place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So because you don't have the foundation, your foundation is your basic communication skills, your basic manners, your basic ability to communicate with your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: basic, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't have that, that's likely why you're getting the biting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have this loop and it just keeps looping.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dog bites because we don't have foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have foundation because the dog bites.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just keeps looping and looping and looping and looping.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really important that you get back down to the basics, so you can heal and and rebuild your relationship with your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then you're going to see less bites, but then you're going to see less bites because your dog's not going to want to or feel the need to, and also your dog's not going to because your dog is now on a string, you know, on a leash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's the best thing that we could do is put him on the leash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything else that's going to help with this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I'm sure other kind of training too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if like the walking him and making sure he heals all the time and you know I mean I'm just looking for all the tools I can get right to stop this and I'm I definitely I understand what you're saying about the leash and the front collar that's a good correction so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the other side to this is your basic and your foundation, which you don't, it doesn't sound like you have just yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain to me what kind of training you've done and what your dog knows?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's been through like two or three classes with the local trainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those classes are probably five sessions each class.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they did use the e-color on him like if he started to do the wrong thing like it would play time with the group of dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he misbehaved they would use the e-color for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they said that was a good way it really helped him understand what he couldn't couldn't do at play time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the trainer saying I, the great training would have been a key thing with this and that would have probably prevented him from doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, he's,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they had me do look at me, you know, which he's really good about checking in with me, but we're out walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that did work and the leave it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't understand that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still somewhat reactive though on the leash.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the classes mainly were just like teaching him the basics and then the trainers would work with me to after, you know, and I've had some private sessions with the trainers to for both my dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many private sessions are you typically doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't had any sessions with them in a long time, but I probably have done two with my older doodle who's pretty easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I've done maybe three or four with Teddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so three or four private sessions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what have you guys done in those private sessions?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're big on like walking the dog and then having the stopping and have the dog sits, then walk again and have the dog sit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's one of the exercises they had us do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And mainly how to use the prong collar, how to use the leash, how to do the correction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think what else have you worked on, have you worked on any like skill sets like place or down or stay or heal.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're really good with stay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I put it, I put up.
[SPEAKER_02]: piece of pork chop in front of both of them and I put them in a sit, stay, and they did not go after the pork chop and I walked away.
[SPEAKER_00]: So could you, could you put Teddy into a place, stay when your partner is around then instead of him going out?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's not that good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that's something to work on, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So going into the next steps in the next level of training to answer your question.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it sounds like you did like heal and sit with your three or three hour private sessions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So really what you need here is you need to, so again you have level one obedience, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is beginner, this is where 10 to 15 week poppy's live under like certain training protocols, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is like the very beginning stages.
[SPEAKER_00]: So right now you need, you have a dog, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your relationship is what's causing likely a lot of the protective behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Teddy is protecting you or he feels like he needs to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what you need to start doing it, then we're going to go over two different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go over basic obedience, skill sets, behaviors, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're going to go over relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll start with relationship first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, you haven't done any real training in the home, and this is where most of your issues happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a problem, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, you have to realize that all of the problems are happening in the home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why I'm telling you this is very important for you to understand as a dog owner.
[SPEAKER_00]: that you have to put your dog on a leash and go in the home and start working because you can throw as much money as you want to as many different dog trainers and unless you go in and work on the problem that you're dealing with in the environment that it's happening and you're not going to it's not going to be super helpful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your relationship is going to be predicated off of putting the dog on the leash and working on making sure the dog understands that you are in control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because right now your dog is in control and your dog is making decisions and making very bad decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we put the dog on the leash, we put the dog into a sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, let's say the dog is at our left side, we put the dog into a sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We start walking forward, the dog is going to get up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so then you correct him, you say nope, back into a sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, right now, everything that you saved him is optional, and it is predicated off of what he wants to do, how he wants to, what he wants to do, if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, he's in this state of mind where he's making the rules, he's making the decisions, everything that you say is optional.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a huge problem with any dog, but it's even a bigger problem with the dog as a bite history, because now it's super dangerous, and it's very important.
[SPEAKER_00]: So same thing, so this is called thresholds, boundaries, relationship building, you go up to your door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sliding the last door, your back door, your side door, your front door, whatever, you go up to a door.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see, Teddy sit, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: You grab the handle, he may get up, you correct them, nope, back into a sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You grab the handle, if he stays into his sit and he passes that test, you say yes, good sit, and then you can pay him a food or just tell him good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the goal is to, for you to be able to walk out the door without him moving.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a relationship building exercise because he is being told what he can and can't do, therefore making you the person in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I were to walk into my facility and all my staff told me what I needed to do that day, it's going to put them in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not how it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go in there and I say, hey, here's the things we need done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I want to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the one in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look at me for direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now it's flipped for you and your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: He makes the rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you want to start building those thresholds and those boundaries to really re-connect your relationship in a healthy way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically he needs some sort of gatekeeping going on that he can't just do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, the same principle is when you go and reach for that door, like you get off the phone with me and you go to put a tiny unleash, you tell on the sit, you reach the door, bang, he's getting up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You correct him, you say nope, back into a sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to take some time for you to walk out the door without him because he's always been like, I go first and I'm, this is my show.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing mom?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but you have to, and so in order to really reprogram the dog and say actually, I want you to look at me for guidance and direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't just make decisions, okay, because dogs don't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it may look like it, but they don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: They really want leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want guidance.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they make a bunch of mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And more importantly, that's exactly why he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Defending you he's he's trying to bite other people they get near you because he's going mom doesn't know what she's doing I must predict her she's not a good leader, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's this is how it all happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this makes sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean outside he does look at me and he checks in to see if everything's going you know like he does check in with me Like am I doing okay, you know But out you know, I really hadn't thought of like we have we have put him on the leash and just to
[SPEAKER_02]: like holds him when somebody comes in that he might bite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll put him on the leash and if we have a lot of people here, we put him in the bedroom and that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's pretty good about staying in there and being quiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing I'm concerned about is my partner's not just not gonna, he's not a dog person.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like the consistency is gonna be, it's gonna be up to me to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that he's gonna understand what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: about, you know, that the leash is like that should be easy enough for him to figure out that just, you know, like a little pop with the leash that he's inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: To correct him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's kind of hard when it's like I'm sort of running the the dog training thing is like pretty much up to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know it is, I understand it is for sure a frustrating thing, but you know, it is, it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would, you know, again, so I want you to think of it as again, we're putting the leash on in the environment we're having issues on, but in my opinion, more importantly, you're putting the leash on in the home to reestablish a healthy relationship with your dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know what I need to mean, think of this, like correct them, like Keith Alisha and correct them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what that's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what this does, what this does, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me just give you the point of view from the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: So point of view for the dog, you get the leash in the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna go outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mom, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is exciting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoo.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You open the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he tries to go out the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, let's not out.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I say this, it's not necessarily malicious thing, like he's misbehaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, it's not healthy to have a dog that makes all the decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not healthy for a dog to...
[SPEAKER_00]: have no filter, no thought process.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a kid getting out of the car and a parking lot just sprinting across the busy parking lot onto the road.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's so dangerous and unhealthy on many different levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for your dog, he doesn't even think about asking for permission to do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't think about, oh, maybe I should, maybe I should, you know, air quotes, hold mom's hand or maybe I should wait for permission.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no filteration process in his head to say, I wonder if this is okay to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you start when you start putting thresholds on Wait for my permission wait for my break commands the break command is what we use the dog is gonna go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, so Okay, so I have to sit here until you okay, so mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you you know, so then it starts if you come a confidence game for the dog Yeah, so the dog was okay, so you're in charge now.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So so because what I see a lot at the end it's not
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't guarantee, but most often times when I, what you're saying and what I hear, the reason why you're dog, so the reason why you're having problems is from the lack of foundation, which is good because it's pretty easy fixed to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if the dog feels like I can just rush out the door, I want you to understand the thought pattern that happens there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do what I want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: My instinct tells me to do because at no point in time is anybody ever told me I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he sees the door open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You open the corridor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You bring him up to the dog store, the vet, or back into the home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going in, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, are we going in?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it time to go in?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I go in?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's absolutely no filter, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: So now we're telling the dog it's a free for all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to pick up your poop and I'm going to feed you and I'm going to give you love and attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are buddies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's all love there, but there's no discipline, structure, respect, or boundaries.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever the dog feels like they want to do something because you've allowed the dog to do that behavior, it's whole life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do what I want, so now your partner comes over and I'm going to do what I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want you here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Boom.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at no point in time is there any discipline, any obedience, any, well, I better not do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to get in trouble because I'm going to sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you don't, that doesn't exist in your relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: And oftentimes, I talk about this in my Kickstarter course a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oftentimes, the lack of foundation,
[SPEAKER_00]: and the lack of boundaries is actually what creates all of the behavioral issues, the reactivity, the possession, what you're dealing with, which is the potential resource guarding in security, and just being a disobedient dog, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so just to give you context, we we started doing a puppy course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had the six month old puppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: and I started working on the basics.
[SPEAKER_00]: The five basic things that all dog needs to know, including thresholds, which means I want you to look and ask for permission before you do any thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we establish this relationship that I'm driving the ship and you're not, because I want you to understand that I'm the leader and you're not because you're a freaking dog and you're not making these decisions unless I break you with this simple word break, which is included in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then as I got about halfway through, I stopped recording and I said to my video,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what every single behavioral case that I've ever worked with is lacking every single thing They don't have heel.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have leave it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have boundaries.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have discipline.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a basic leash introduction to pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a place.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said this is what everyone's missing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we reformatted it to the kickstarter course instead of the puppy course.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what you're dealing with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime that somebody comes in, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tom, my dog has killed other dogs, my dog has put people in the hospital.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care about any of that until I go, let me see your foundation, let me see the bones.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once I look at the bones, 99.9% of the time, the owners can't get their dog to sit and stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: for nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't get your dog to do the most basic thing in the entire world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now your dog is brought it upon themselves to say this person has no idea what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love them to death, but I must protect them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And anybody that gets close or near or gets near the resource in which I'm protecting, I will try to bite.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's the self perpetuating thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog is biting because they have absolutely no foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog has no foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, making the dog reactive and fearful and insecure and protective and have resource
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a pretty nasty cycle, but it's pretty easy to get out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he is good with this day.
[SPEAKER_02]: but he doesn't have place.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really worked on that, but he's not going to be good with the stay when it matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I was asking earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could tell me, Tom, I'll put a, I'll put 16 stakes and 14 meatloves in front of the dog and he'll stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: How often do you do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: When it's like, oh, well, when my partner wants to give me a hug before he goes to work, he tries to bite him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then what, what good is the stay for the, for the pork chop?
[SPEAKER_00]: When they can't do it for biting somebody, it's, it's literally irrelevant.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the good news is is you have the foundation, so you know how to do it the dog understands it and the reason why you're failing likely is For an example, you go to the training center.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go outside the dogs on the leash the dogs on a prom call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: This gives me safer control better communication All the things right the prom call is great power steering basically
[SPEAKER_00]: cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we work on the set.
[SPEAKER_00]: We work on the state.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can do this all day long.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what you haven't done is you haven't taken those skill sets and then applied it to where you need it, which is why it's not working.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, because there's no, I mean, the reason why we teach, you know, kids for an example, please, thank you, look both ways where helmet is because when they grow up, we want them to be happy, healthy, human beings, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, you know, we're not going to hold their hands their whole life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when we're teaching dogs, place, that means go to your bed, stay there when you get there, come back to me and walk nicely.
[SPEAKER_00]: For an example, those are just four
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, you know, to show, you know, your followers on Instagram, it's, it's so, when you have somebody over, Teddy, go to your place, Jink, Teddy, stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, come on in guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good stay, Teddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, let's go in the other room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good stay, Teddy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If the reason why we're teaching, and that's why I was asking you what you do with your trainer, listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every trainer is not the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have limitations, they have experience, they have they have ceilings, it's not one- one-size-fits-all, that's for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't think of it as like well, I wonder it's just certain trainers have different goals and different, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, criteria, right, where for me, I would be in your home going, okay, hey, let's, you know, this dog that's biting people, let's put it on the leash because he's running around off leash barking at me now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so let's put the dog on the leash, let's tell the dog to go to the, oh, I never thought, do it in the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, if you don't do it inside, where why would you have it?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I want, so think about this, so let's say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: you have your partner still okay we worked on thresholds which means when I tell you to sit you sit and I enforce it so that means I put you in a sit I go out the door I come back in I pay you good job I'm in charge you're not thank you very much here's your break command now you can go outside now you can break through you do that with multiple different things right you do it with food like you said you can do it the pork chop and all that stuff so it sounds like you have the basic impulse control which is great
[SPEAKER_00]: Now what you need to do is apply that to reality so I know that you said in the beginning I think it's muzzle trained, which is nice So things that I would do as I would say, okay I would say you know to your partner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna put them on this prong We're gonna be an all living room and you know a piece comfortable with this muzzle will put his muzzle on and so what you're gonna do is you're gonna copy and paste The behaviors that we just worked on and
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say from in the morning I did a morning session with Teddy and I said sit I said stay and I gave him the kitchen sink.
[SPEAKER_00]: I threw his ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: I threw Treats on the ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: I walked outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: I came back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're flawless.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if he gets up we're corrected.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm letting him know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: See that's that's the thing when you don't use the leash
[SPEAKER_00]: you don't have the opportunity to correct the only thing you do is you reset and resetting doesn't teach, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So a kid's trying to learn one plus one is four, try again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they don't know the whole equation to then, you know, work on it, they need to know the answer first, if they've never been taught how to add, it's going to be really difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: So same thing with dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we put them into a sit, I take, to typically with green dogs, I take
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, at correction.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I tell you to sit, you put your button the ground and tell you here the break command come out of my mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do not get out of your sit until I break you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you do your stay, you can add a stay or a wait as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just for an example, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you do all these things and you test him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is called the 3Ds distance distraction and duration.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of these again are on my Kickstarter course, which might be helpful for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of how do I reset my relationship?
[SPEAKER_00]: So as we're talking through this, the Kickstarter course will kind of give you a visual because I have a dog in front of me and I teach you all the things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's either here or there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the 3Ds distance distraction and duration.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: If I, for an example, this same principle is applicable to everything you're dealing with.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I wanted my, for an example, if I wanted my dog to come back off leash out in the wild on a trail, I need to recall the dog inside first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to my driveway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, we did it awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to my backyard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, we did it awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to a, maybe a field.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, we did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, I'm proofing and I'm building up concepts, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I let my dog out on a long line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, come, they see a squirrel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I correct him with the long line.
[SPEAKER_00]: They come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, I'm proofing out this behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so that way when I go out into the trail and I say, Teddy, come, I already know I'm not going from, and this is what, this is where a lot of people make the mistake.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go from recalling your dog inside with nothing going on with no, with no equipment For a piece of food and they just think oh my dog's gonna come back because they do it inside But going outside with the squirrels and the rabbits and the deer and the other dogs and the cats and the exaggerates How much different ballgame and you have to burr you know you have to build and currently to that point
[SPEAKER_00]: So, when you're inside for an example, you're going to work on sit-stay and you're going to throw the kitchen sink to make sure the dog knows if they get up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be held accountable and they're not to get up because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then what you do, you put your muzzle on, okay, and it doesn't matter who, you know, in your family, if it's your partner, your neighbor, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, hey, come on over and just shake my hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to start off slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then Teddy gets up at correction.
[SPEAKER_00]: But more than likely, here's what I think what's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you correct it in three or four times for getting up because he wanted the food or he wanted to go outside with you and he got the picture real clear, they said you can't get up until I give you a break and you work on that for maybe a day or two.
[SPEAKER_00]: you then bring in the trigger, which is your partner, whoever else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's not going to get up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now you have this, hey buddy, I'm in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's your payment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's your cookie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's your food.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great job.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also now you're not lunging at said partner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you
[SPEAKER_00]: get their relationship to a healthier place where you've proofed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We call it desensitization and proofing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have your partner come up and you test and you test and you test and you test.
[SPEAKER_00]: On leash, off leash, mulls along, mulls along, mulls along.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how you would build this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it makes total sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: make sure you're practicing this skill set, whatever you're going to apply with your partner, your neighbor, whoever else, you have to go back to the drawing board and go, I need to practice this and then I'm going to test it in real time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you're missing right now is you're basically just kind of throwing stuff on the wall, hoping something sticks and you have no game plan, you have no road map, you have, you know, you don't
[SPEAKER_00]: And so think to yourself, man, it'd be really nice if I can send Teddy to his place when people come over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, here's the thing, is you work on the law.
[SPEAKER_00]: You work with a long line.
[SPEAKER_00]: You work on the place from a distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: You work on, so for an example, 30 second rundown, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: You get your long line, you get your food, you get your place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Teddy's like, give me food, I'm hungry, I'm working, just you and your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: You say Teddy Plays, he gets up on his place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, spang, you pay him, good place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brick, he can only get off if you break him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you take two steps away from the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Teddy Plays, he runs to his place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, good boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bang, you give him his treat.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, wow, this is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: This place thing, I love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You say Plays, I go to my place.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do that for a couple sessions in a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next day, now you're getting further away.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, distance, distraction, and duration.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting further away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you're doing this stay for longer period of the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're going outside into the kitchen and then back in, out of sight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're building that, that callous over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So making sure the dog does not get up unless you say break.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you're doing is you're testing and testing and testing and testing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like anything else, if you're a professional swimmer, athlete, tutor, police doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're testing for what if this happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so eventually what you do is you get all the way you go to your place He's going poop poop poop he's running to his place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this takes about a week He's running to his place pretty much awfully sure at the front door and then you bring the doorbell and you knock on it Ding-dong he's gonna go He's gonna get off it not not place this is where the e-collar comes in by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where you can get you can be at the door
[SPEAKER_00]: And then use the remote collar to correct him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every single dog trainer has a different way of doing the remote collar, but for me, it should be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should be a positive experience for the dog and a way of excitement and understanding and clarity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have tons of content on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I highly recommend that it's for free on YouTube to check out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say, so now you're at a point where
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's where you should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before you have somebody actually come over, you should be at a point where you're by your front door, you say Teddy Place, you have your neighbor come up knock on the door, ring the doorbell, you open the door, you have a conversation, you shut it, he's still there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you can say, hey, when people come over, Teddy, you're going to go to your place in your state because you're placing your stay are better than what he wants to do, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: reality.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're taking a different approach and you know my other trainers or they're like, well, I think he's got a screw loose.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might be bad breeding.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody is kind of like saying there's something wrong with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're saying that's not the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just is in control and he's taking advantage of bad and I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I've just been kind of like
[SPEAKER_00]: blaming on that because he's on Prozac and, you know, like this, yeah, yeah, yeah, it could listen it could be both but I think at the end of the day here and I and I I want you to really sink your teeth into this it's it's the same mechanic thing that I say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I don't know what's going on with my car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start, Tom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, just put gas in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me try that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it could be a bad starter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a bad car.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a, it could have a screw loose.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, you got to give your dog and you.
[SPEAKER_00]: the the the cured you're not like to me if you were to hand this case to me which you are and you said hey what do you think of this i'm saying you haven't done the most critical basic like level one stuff yet so there's no reason to be throw in you know behavioral situations out when it's like you don't and again just to be fair to you this is however you this is how it goes for everybody not just you they come in
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Tom, my dog's biting people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, okay, let's walk here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you've watched my YouTube videos, I say, okay, let's walk your dog around the room for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they can't, their dogs are dragging them forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're pulling, they're yankin', they're barkin'.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go, this is nothing to do with your dog, not liking other dogs and biting things.
[SPEAKER_00]: this is because you have zero control.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have the the most aggressive man eater dog in the entire world that wants to kill everybody, but you had good obedience, you'd be able to walk through a pre-school without any issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you just don't have sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the other thing I know what you're saying, I've heard you say this before, and I don't know why the lightbulb didn't go half, but I think I'm just, I was just blaming it on
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he wants to please.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is my other dog is like, yeah, but he wants to please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he wants to, yeah, if you give him something to do, he wants to please.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what I mean is somebody comes to the door to go to your place and I'll give you a cookie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sweet, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, we're right now, you're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of, you know, you're, you just haven't done the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean to me, it's, it's like, well, yeah, you know, and I was thinking,
[SPEAKER_02]: heard you say this before I've heard of my art trainer say, you know, do the basics, do the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but then I was kind of like, well, there's something wrong with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, I kind of like forgot about all that, you know, the basics.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I knew he was in control.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I just, I think I was just thinking it was his issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: but it's yeah, but even if you have like even if you have a dog that doesn't like here's the thing okay with your partner if your partner can come over put a leash and call her on the dog and then walk away and then the only time he's aggressive is when you're around that's not a screw loose dog that is a relationship that's a relationship based issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the dog only gets upset when when when you were just like, you know, it's like all arrows are pointin towards you, you know, so if you had a dog that had a severe screw loose or neurological issues, it would be very inconsistent with, oh, I can put the leash on today and then tomorrow I get bit in the face and then the next day's fine and that's like no, it's it's not that right I just think it's lack of control you go out and
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and to be honest, like, if he does have, if he does have a bite history, or like, there's certain breeds of dogs, whether they're mixed or they're doodle mixes or their doodles or whatever, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: There, there's certain personalities of dogs that need a very, a very confident, structured handler.
[SPEAKER_00]: like type A like this is what we're doing no bullshit like and they go great great I just tell me what to do and I'll do it and then if you don't keep it's the same thing with people right same thing when you're teaching kids and teaching other adults it's they're certain people who thrive with structure and there's other people who need like I'm more free flowing like let me just breathe let me just think about it let me create something you know so it so
[SPEAKER_00]: good structure like they need boundaries they need clarity and if you let him loosey goosey they go oh shit nobody you know nobody knows what they're doing around here and then they get aggressive and they get reactive and they get protective and everything starts to spiral out of control yeah and I think as a puppy and when he was up until he came here he really had no structure and six kids and right that's the house he was in and I'm sure he was nipping and jumping at the kids and
[SPEAKER_02]: So he didn't get a good start to life and, you know, it's kind of hard sometimes to undo all that, but on the other hand, I know what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I need to like get back to the basics with him and deliche in the house is something with the corrections.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't think of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just like I said, I was playing it more on his mental, you know, issues, but it's yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I just wanted to get some sort of plan and know where I stood.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, whether it was his bad breathing or his, you know, lack of structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess really is what it comes down to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's where to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have so much potential.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even, that's what's frustrating to me is like, you don't even, like you have so much potential, you haven't even started, you know, you just, and again, when you, the, the hard thing is, I think with dog owners is when they go to a trainer, you might be thinking like, well, I did my trainer.
[SPEAKER_00]: to put it like this or why didn't you know why didn't we work on these things and it's like everybody has different experience levels and everybody has just a different way of doing things a lot of people are afraid of dogs with bite history so they could just be planted safe and and so I think it's just it's just a matter of making it makes sense for you so you know where to start and you know and powering you to go okay you know hey my dogs biting my partner inside the home
[SPEAKER_02]: How they didn't tell you to do that is beyond me and it is what it is, but that's like the well your first thing Yeah, she was just saying You didn't crate train them, so that's that's The major part of the problem and she actually gained a text that her to ask her to you know what to tell her about all of those and she's the well You know that I didn't crate train him and that's part of the problem Which I didn't crate train him I did attempt at it and I didn't follow through with it, but
[SPEAKER_02]: But the leash is a totally different approach, you know, like inside and correcting when he does does the nipping or the jumping and whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a different approach for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one that makes more sense to me than just a putting a dog in a crate does it does nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, you know, maybe boundaries when they're puppies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I think yeah, it's it's it just takes uh, you know, it just takes time just takes time and you got to you got to work through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, okay, so so my suggestion again moving forward is to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do the skill sets that you need to be successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the place command would be huge, telling your dog to stay, working on the stay, telling your dog will leave it, and then, so two things that you need to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You really need to work on your foundational relationship via,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, basic thresholds and principles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I would highly suggest taking my Kickstarter course, just working on the introduction to the five basics, uh, including the break command.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then, trialing a copy and pasting those behaviors to reality, making sure that people can come over in your dog stays there, making sure your dog sits in stays when, you know, your partner comes over to see you and gets near to you and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the good news is he has muzzle train until we get him to that point when he can, you know, yeah, so that helps, but yeah, well, this gives me hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I was in, it's, last Friday was a terrible day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in tears all day long, because I thought I was going to have to get rid of them, my one way or the other, but then I, I suddenly got your email and you had this opening today and I'm like, oh my god, that's, that's the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been a huge help and,
[SPEAKER_02]: This gives me some hope and I don't feel like I feel like I've got a plan now, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's my, that's why I wake up every day to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can check that box off today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've really helped and I'm definitely encouraged and I am going to work on the least training in the house and hopefully that'll, you know, I think you does, you does want guidance, and he does want to play.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's because
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most dogs do, I would say almost all of them, except for the random few, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if they're looking at you like, what do I do?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, I don't know, figured out, you know, but here's the thing, when we say that and it's laughable, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But the reality is, is that's what you're doing when you don't have good training with your dog inside the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you just let them go off leash, you know, like with my dogs, I can tell them go to your place, lay down, et cetera, and they'll do it, because they, you know, they're leveled through dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you don't have that, you're basically just jumping out of a plane just, is there a parachute?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me let me check hold on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, you know, you don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of flipping the coin.
[SPEAKER_02]: One another quick question, too, is I've had people say the prong colors and e-colors irritate reactive dogs and that's not good to use them with reactive dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't buy that, but
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, well, is that, you know, should I think about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this, that if a dog doesn't understand what they're doing is inappropriate and incorrect and they feel innate and primal and instinctual to do this behavior because they haven't had good direction or good guidance and the dog hasn't had clear communication skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if your dog has no boundaries and you haven't corrected your dog, like, that's what the Kickstarter course is about.
[SPEAKER_00]: how to put in a foundation and correction.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the dog doesn't know why they're getting corrected, they don't understand where the problem colors come in from.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't understand where the e-colors come in from.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, they're getting corrected because they don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, that can be confusing in making the situation much worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: But any dog trainer that gets into dog training, especially working with behavior, should know the basic principles of introducing these pieces of tools, so it makes sense to them, so you can use them the way that they're intended.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would actually argue the opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have helped literally millions of dog owners every year Use equipment in a way that helps their dog become more confident happier off-leash and dog owners like you We've we've talked on the phone for an hour and it's already like wow This makes a lot of sense imagine if I worked with you in person and help you use now and I help me I thought about that
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just say, if I taught you how to use these tools, it would just be icing on the cake and you'd be off to the races, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the tools themselves do, you know, it's 90 to 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's 10% of dogs who, the e-colour and the prong color could absolutely irritate and frustrate them and it could make things worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the other 90% of dog owners are gaining more control, having better clarity, getting more communication.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not getting dragged on the road by harness, and wondering why their dog doesn't listen to them inside the home, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And to be completely frank with you, most people who say e-colors and prong colors are bad for reactive dogs or people typically people who don't use the equipment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, that place sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, would you, would you not like about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've never been.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, I'd rather, I think, you know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just been my experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never talked to an actual professional who's used the pieces of equipment and didn't like it, it's usually just people who don't don't agree with punishing dogs in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more of a political thing, unfortunately,
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just people out there that just do not believe in punishment, should ever be used with dogs and to each his own.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that majority of dogs I work with, including the dog that you have right now could unfortunately be put down if that's the mindset we had.
[SPEAKER_00]: it is like anything else in the world it's like in the car world or in the medical field there is a thousand different avenues and specialties and different strokes for different folks and different pieces of equipment for different dogs and different jobs but there are some people out there that want to gatekeep and say if you don't do it this way everyone sucks and I'm the best and it's a very self-centered weird ego trip that people get on it's very bizarre I don't understand it I don't get involved into it but it does happen and dog owners like you were like
[SPEAKER_00]: to your point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, this person said this and comment, but I'm like, okay, but usually I just do what I said here and I wait for people like you to come and say, hey, I need help.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't working.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do I do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's walk through this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate it and I will look at the Kickstarter course and try to work on the basics again and use the leash inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck with everything, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye-bye.