TGI – Episode 411 “An Affair to Forget”

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Speaker 1: M m m m.

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Speaker 2: So one of my secret talents that I'm not sure you guys know about is that if if I had any business sense or could wear a suit and tie every day and make phone calls, you know, do like like business person type stuff, I would be a very good talent agent or maybe really manager. Yes, why why let me? Let me? Let me give you evidence. So I used to do a like, god, this is so long ago. I used to do a podcast, or I used to guest star on a podcast where they had come up with a segment where I would just do samples or I would talk about actors performances that I really liked or appreciated and like so you know, I just picked out like scenes and I would talk about them and whatever. And one of the ones that I picked was like right, I decided. I was like, oh my god, I had seen this obscure movie and this like English actor. I was like, this guy's got the thing, Like this is going to be a movie star. And by the time I went to go record the thing, Andrew Garfield had already been cast as Spider Man. But like I saw boy A back in Tribeca when it was like his first I was like this guy, yes, And so I got a text last year. I don't think I told you guys about this, but I got this text from my friend who's he's actually my lawyer, but he's also my friend. We've been friends since college. And he texted me and he's like, what the hell is this alert that I have on my phone? And like, what do you mean? He's like, it says bet with Ryder from ten years ago about Lena Dunham's boyfriend on Girls Wow, And I'm like what he had said? It alert? And we went back and I list to the future. And ten years before his alert, we had had dinner together with him and his wife and me and my wife, and we had gotten into an argument where I said that guy is gonna be a movie star and he was like, no, no, and I was predicting Adam Driver and.

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Speaker 3: So he was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: He's like, so I guess I guess you're right, Like, yeah, so what what do I win? We didn't write that, but yeah, ten years because we we had clearly got into it enough that he put an alert on his phone. Because I don't know, do you guys ever see the pilot for Girls? No? Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm just amazed at your talent that you're able to watch someone who is already successful and say they're gonna also.

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Speaker 3: Do this guy who's the star of a TV show is gonna be somebody.

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Speaker 5: It's weird.

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Speaker 2: It's like you guys like don't remember the Adam Driver thing though.

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Speaker 5: No I do.

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Speaker 4: But watching somebody on the street and saying that person's got it, you're saying like I saw somebody in a movie and thought that person's a good actor.

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Speaker 2: No, that that person's going to be a megastar.

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Speaker 3: A bigger star than me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, obviously. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So it's a very niche kind of kind of talent manager. You want. You want to be a talent manager of somebody who's already successful.

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Speaker 2: That's what an agent does. Yes, it's like going to the minor leagues and being like, come you are going to You're gonna be in the majors one day, and being able to spot that. Like I was having arguments obviously with with somebody in the industry where they were like I don't see it, and like I actually remember getting into with Michael Jacobs about girls because I was right around the time of Girl meets World Girl the Girls pilot. He was like, I don't see it. I don't I don't know know. He wasn't talking about Adam Driver. He was talking about the show in general. I was like, this is gonna be the biggest show. And I was like, and that guy is going to be the biggest movie star in the world.

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Speaker 3: This is a good time for me to tell you that I have a prediction now, Timothy Shallow may I exactly that.

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Speaker 2: Kid is going Tom Cruise guy might make it. I see him as a movie. Sorry, I'll keep my eye and I'll give you guys predictions. I will do it now. Okay, Now, I know you're open to it, if you're open, if you're willing. But but I feel like, yeah, it's it's you know, you got to you gotta keep your eyes and yours open. If I was going to plays, because I've done it before too, I was a.

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Speaker 5: Play or something like that, I could see. I could see that, all right, see that.

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Speaker 2: Many plays that are you know, because I saw I remember Rachel Weiss. I saw her back in nineteen ninety five, and I went back twice. I was like, this woman is so unbelievable, and I was in you know, she was probably twenty one, twenty two years old. I designed for little I always going to be one, and I was like this is you know. I was obsessed with her and like no one knew who she was. And then sure enough boom, like the biggest movie star and she married James Bond.

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Speaker 3: You've got the perfect platform to share your predictions with all of us. Writer, don't get trying to get some credits. Yes, start start letting us know when you see things, just.

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Speaker 4: And when bet you they'll be like an actual prize, You'll win something. Because it sounds like you didn't win anything. Adam Driver got an amazing career and you didn't get anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean hopefully this translates to being a director, right, because the point is to be able to cast people who who are being under add in their lane. And that's like and this is like consistently what Hollywood does to actors is that they're always underestimated because actors are only judged by their context consistently, right, and like, so people see somebody on a TV show and they're like that they could never be a big movie star. They see somebody, you know, as this as the best friend on a sydcomm and they're like, they should never are an older brother or drama.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think.

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Speaker 4: That's I think that's changed a bit now though, because television became so powerful that all the.

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Speaker 5: Big movie stars jumped to TV.

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Speaker 2: TV has changed, but the lines people still have such a hard time seeing an actor out of context.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, you see a lot of like you see kids nowadays, especially that are on some sitcom or something.

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Speaker 5: Like the girl McKenna Grace was a better name.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, who was like on a sitcom or we're just watching her on Designated Survivor And even then you were like she's but then now she's blowing up and she's got the Ghostbusters movies and stuff like that, So I can see there's more like, you know, if if a television show becomes huge, like when something like Stranger Things where it just it's on everybody's lips, than those are the kids that are picked to then be in movies. So it's that's that's happened now more so than it did back in the nineties. If you were a leav star.

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Speaker 2: Even being a Disney star when we were kids meant nothing. But now it's like that's the path to superstar. Like if you're on a Disney Channel show and then you have a record deal, then you were like a movie star within ten years or whatever. Yeah, no, that didn't happen, right, But I still think I still think that it's hard for people to see, especially like comic drama, drama to comedy or just range, you know, like you basically get cast as a variation in what you've already done.

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Speaker 3: And do you see any do you see any movie stars on this podcast with you?

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Speaker 2: It's okay? Writer?

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Speaker 5: Will you well?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Welcome back to the show. We really missed you last time. Really we missed you. We're so having your back. Please say say your.

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Speaker 2: Name right or strong not a huge movie star.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Wilfordell whose dream has just been crushed on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our show. Today, we are recapping season four, episode eleven and a Fair to Forget It originally aired November twenty ninth, nineteen ninety six. The synopsis. When Sean is dumped by Jennifer, Corey begins bad mouthing her. When Jennifer finds out about what Corey is been saying, she takes Sean back on the condition that he ends his relationship with Corey. So it was written by and this is a bit of an odd credit teleplay by Jeff Sherman, story by Eileen O'Hare, So this may be something. When we have Jeff Sherman on again, we will have to ask him what the situation was with that. I know he has complained before that IMDb has some weird credit stuff this week.

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Speaker 2: We've never had a story by before.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: So this must have been an outside script that got rewritten because Aileen O'Hare was not a writer on her No. Yeah, so when an outside script came in and then Jeff rewrote it and then yeah, that's super interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Guest starring Christanna Logan as Jennifer Bassett. She is best known as the badass TX in two thousand and threes, Terminator three, Rise of the Machines, and as Rain in two thousand and five's Blood Rain, but she's also shown up on Unhappily Ever After Slider's The L Word, burn Notice, and much more. What did you guys think of the episode?

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Speaker 4: I loved this episode. I absolutely loved everything about this episode. I thought the A story was awesome. I thought You and Ben were so funny. I thought the B story was great. I thought the feene Eric stuff was good. To me, this was a solid sitcom, funny episode. I went back, I rewound things a bunch of times. I really liked this episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's a plus writing. Like, I think it's probably one of our best written episodes. So I got something happened to me or the end of this episode. It's interesting, I really, I mean, I know this is a classic. I feel like this, Like I didn't realize that this B story was part of this A story either, and but I love both of them, and I remembered both of them, and I remember beats and moments, and you know, there's so many funny things. So maybe my expectations were just a little high. But something happened near the end, which was a little bit of a bummer for me, and in a weird way, I wish I could go back, not change a word of the script and do it over again, like get a second take, or maybe there were better takes. I don't know, So I guess it's mostly about my performance or the performances in general. Something sort of happens near the end that I was not stoked on, So I think we needed another day of rehearsal, or maybe one day less of rehearsal something.

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Speaker 5: What about you, Danielle.

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Speaker 3: I had a total change of feeling about a quarter of the way through the episode. I will be honest. At the beginning, I was like, Ugh, I'm bored. I'm bored of this idea of there's a girl and Sean's been broken up with and she's gonna man handle him and there's gonna be this ensorcelement.

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Speaker 5: I was like, God, this that that's weird.

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Speaker 3: I'm done with that. I never want to see that storyline again. But then the minute it was revealed that it was going to be the love story between the two of you, I was hooked. Then I was like, this was all worth it. It was worth that that setup to get to this because I loved that. But at the very beginning, I was like, oh no, I'm not gonna like this episode, and then pleasantly surprised. I ended up loving the episode, But when it first started and I saw the setup, I was like, I'm not going to enjoy this. So I was pleasantly surprised will your b storyline is so funny, just so funny, so funny.

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Speaker 2: Also, I want to like again, I want to go back, because we could do I just want to see the one man show. I think we could just do a whole episode of Boy Meets World. That is you doing the one man show, because we never even got out of fifth grade or whatever. And I think it would be so funny to hear more Eric. I mean, there's just no there. It was like I was sitting there going, oh, there's so many ways this could go, like yeah, and I want them all, like I don't, I don't, And I almost wish the rest of the episode were shorter. And even with the feenie stuff, I was like, dude, I love Bill, I love the moment, but gotta be shorter so we could see more airport, yes, because she could go so many ways. It could just keep getting funnier.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, No, I love it.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny writer that you said you had a problem maybe at the end with your performance, because I thought comedically this was your best episode ever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think hysterical, not just those but all the little like the kind of subtleties you.

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Speaker 3: Were playing a library. Oh, oh my.

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Speaker 2: Goshbird's a fun.

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Speaker 4: Funny, so fun, And Danielle, you were not once again used much. Yeah, but I thought your part. I just I really liked this episode. I don't know if I caught me in the right mood or whatever it was, but Sue and I were howling at this last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a fun episode. So let's jump in. We start in the school hallway. A tall blonde girl we've been told as Shawn's girlfriend, is surrounded by a group of guys as Corey and Tapanga watched from a distance. Corey reveals that Sewan and this girl, Jennifer, broke up this morning and she's already on the prow to Panga worriedly asks how Sean is doing, and Corey assures her Seawan is Sean. You can't keep Sean down, and then camera zoom we see that Sean is slumped against the lockers. Corey tells him to get up. He's dismal. She dumped me. She dumped me good, and I didn't even see it coming.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those I wish we had, like because just the awkwardness of having to lie down but still be visible in the camera. It's so it's like one of those multi camera things, like uh, do we have to go all the way on the ground, like you just wish you could do a single camera or bring the camera over my head, you know what I mean. But like, yeah, it's just this, like I don't know, or just let my face not be seen, like if I was just talking to the sky. But because who lays like this?

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Speaker 5: I know?

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Speaker 3: Also, why couldn't you just be on your stomach on you know, facing like you could facing camera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super awkward and I could tell that I'm like physically uncomfortable with it. I don't know. This is I mean, this is I think maybe the first hint of like some of the stuff that bothers me, which is the like like sometimes like look, obviously there's there's cartooniness, right, and I just like I want I love the Cartoonists when we're living in it, which of course will you're just so good at I don't feel as comfortable living in the Cartoonists, And a lot of the bits in this episode, there's some of it where I love like Ben and I basically playing lovers like that clearly is like a cartoony joke that we commit to. But then there's other cartoonists like her making out with me, falling down me on the ground, Corey's head and the thing to Panga coming in and yelling you up there, Like it all just felt very like, Okay, I don't know, man like it just I was just I just I just like do we have I don't know. It's like I like the cartoonists if it were, but for some reason, it just felt a little like it just fell short and a lot of those beats for me, Whereas like the other cartoonists, like the human cartoonings of like Ben throwing down his towel and having baked the good like all of that, like the human like when it's endowed with like a reality like acting thing and we're allowed to like make it our own. I loved it, But when I felt like we were doing line readings or being told we're to stand for a visual joke, it sucked for me, and like it really brought up a lot of like not good emotions.

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I can see that because you all the things you mentioned were the moments that I didn't love, Like you, I'm talking to you of there. I remember the line reading. I remember it. I remember all of that exactly.

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Speaker 2: You can hear them right.

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Speaker 3: And I also was like, so there were moments where what I was feeling was like they're really wanting to lean into like this is a farcical episode, but like there's so much of it that's true human, really natural funniness and all of that stuff was great, and then there was a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of actually didn't yeah.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and then the other moments I just didn't think we needed it, shouldn't They could have just been more real.

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Speaker 5: Her kissing thing is really bizarre.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I'm over the watch this. I'm the only person who could kiss you in this totally benign.

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Speaker 5: Bland no.

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Speaker 3: Jesus, I know wrote see what is happening here?

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Speaker 5: That stuff was very very strange.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys have any memories of working with Christianna Logan?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 1: Not?

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Speaker 2: Really she came onto Girl Meets World, and it was great to see her, and actually she and I like talked a lot and it was awesome to like, I just I wasn't there that episode. I just came by to visit for like a little bit. She on Girl World, she played she played herself, right, Mincus is she.

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Speaker 3: Played Mincus's wife, but as this character, as this character.

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Speaker 2: Herself. By the way she plays the same character.

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Speaker 5: She does not.

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Speaker 2: Herself hysterical, you know. She she was so great And but it was funny because I actually didn't really remember working with her that much. Yeah, and look at it, I was like, I don't, like, I don't know, there's just a it's funny, but I just felt it felt stilted again, like I wanted there to be natural chemistry between me and her, not this like beat over here. Let's have our beat over here, you know, and and when they're when we're actually just kind of talking to each other or she's like there are times where that is. But all the kissing, all the physical stuff just felt like, oh, we're hitting the beats and and and I can kind of tell that I'm not happy with it, which is like it. But but one of the reasons that I liked it is because it also brackets the actual chemistry that Corey and Sean have. That's funny. It's like it's a good reason.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's like she's so uncomfortable with her that's so natural with him.

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Speaker 2: That it is it's like you don't, but it's true. It's like I didn't take it that way. But yeah, none of.

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Speaker 1: It feels stilted when you're with Corey. None of it feels set up. When you're with Corey, it's so natural and beautiful, but when you're with her, it feels awkward and weird. I thought that was great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I didn't really have any memories from doing this episode with her, but I when the same exact thing when she was on Girl Meets World. Really enjoyed being around her, enjoyed talking with her, but didn't really don't really remember too much. I mean, I don't have that much to do with her this week. I mean a couple of little scenes with her, but yeah, not any real what's cool.

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Speaker 2: She seems to be having fun, Yeah, which is really cool for a guest star. First of all, just you know, whenever a guest star comes in and they seem to be having fun, you're like you own this. Yeah, but also like this is one of those roles that you need somebody who's confident and can come in and do that, otherwise this whole thing doesn't work. And she nails it. I yeah, does she come back.

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Speaker 4: Is she one of the people that kidnaped Sean and puts them in the cabin?

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Speaker 2: Must be right?

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Speaker 5: Is she one of them?

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Speaker 2: I would hope so, Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's her. Larissa and lindsay so, I'm pretty sure it's the three of them. It makes total sense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So Corey looks concerned.

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Speaker 3: Look what they've done to my boy. To Peka squats down to Sean. I think you can do a lot better than Jennifer Bassett. Sean earnestly asks, you think, so, Corey interjects to Panga, have you looked at her? To Pega glances over. She's pretty, she's tall. She drives a new red convertible.

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Speaker 2: Oh with a mistake, big mistake that everybody makes when they're young. When somebody breaks up with somebody, keep your mouth shut. You just don't say anything. They're gonna get back together. If not, it doesn't help the situation. They don't want to be like you do not want to hear about how your ex sucked. I mean you think you do, you really don't you know? Oh? No, God, mistake. Everybody makes this mistake at some point in their life. They turned to somebody and they're like, ah, thank god you got out of that relationship. But it just always backfires. It never works.

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Speaker 4: There's a great line Seinfeld where he says, breaking up with somebody's like knocking over a coke machine. You don't do it in one thing. You got to rocket back and forth first, and then then it goes over.

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Speaker 3: It's true, that's funny. It's also the same reason you don't ever really want to tell your best friends of the worst qualities of your significant other, because you're probably just venting. And then your best friends are like, I can't stand that person you're with. You're like, no, you're not really supposed to remember that.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to.

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Speaker 3: Don't. Don't remember that.

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Speaker 2: Your own family, to your wife or your husband.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: You could complain about your family, But the second they say something about you do this thing, whoa, that's my mama. What are you doing exactly?

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Speaker 3: Corey tries consoling Sean. I don't want to say I didn't want to say this when you were going out with her, But she's one stuck up, conceited girl. Her nose is way up in the air, and quite frankly, I don't think it's a real nose. Sean's hopeful about this, as Corey reassures him it's placid, just like her personality. Sean hears Corey's words of encouragement and finally stands up and walks right up to Jennifer. He confidently yells to her, you know what I think. I think you're conceited, conceited and stuck up and something about your nose. Jennifer panics, touching her nose. What is he talking about? Sean stutters. Jennifer asks, who said something about my nose? They both turn and look at Corey, whose mouth is hanging open in surprise. So it was your best friend, Corey who made you say these bad, bad things. Sean scoffs, like I'd ever tell you, and then she ensorceles him with a kiss, and Sean immediately breaks Corey mack.

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Speaker 5: I'm kiss she's doing so she is maybe casting.

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Speaker 3: There's a hair because there's a weird, weird, big thing she's telling you about the women dominating physically ensorcelement stick we have done on this show. I am and this.

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Speaker 2: Is what Maitland does, right Like? Isn't this what Maitland's her.

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Speaker 3: Entire character is based on.

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Speaker 2: Is that she's like this tall, big woman who like controls the guys right and then sources time left and right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know that there's anything more boring or for a character to be not. I just it's just I don't like it. And I this episode started with it and I was like, oh no, I'm in for an episode I'm not gonna like. And then it becomes a love story between Corey and Sean and I was like, turned, I'm happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just wish that, like, you know, because you know what it's said in the script, which is then she kisses him, yes, And like, I wish we had had the freedom to just figure out what that is, right, two actors figure out what it is that she could do to get and instead it feels so stilted, it feels so staged. It feels so, here's what you're gonna do this with your aunt, and it's just like and you're watching her do a choreography that feels in human and I feel like I'm pitying my marks and doing the thing, and it just, you know, like it would have been so great to just be allowed some breathing room, and you just don't feel it. You feel instead the like, oh okay, and you can you can remove yourself and see the cartoon for what it is and laugh. That's fine. But you know, looking at it with a critical eye as the actor in it, I'm like, oh, come on, this could have been so much better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you wonder too, how much of it is that, because one of the things that is bumping me is that it's just not sexy. It is it actually isn't. It doesn't feel like you guys have that great of chemistry. So part of me wonders if the problem is in allowing you guys to figure it out. If it would have come across as too sexual, like it would have seemed.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's actually good call.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if she had actually walked up to you, Yeah, that it has to be this, let's sell sex in a contry, like in a yes in order.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good call. You know, you're right, Yeah, because if she had actually been like seductivective or like a dominatrix.

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Speaker 3: Yes, taken that, maybe it would have been like, Okay, what what are we watching here? Friday night eight thirty or nine thirty, depending on what's a really good point.

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Speaker 2: Danielle you're right, Okay, you know I retract most of what.

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Speaker 3: I No, No, you don't have to attract it. I'm just in our discerning eye stuff, giving the all of the thought to what the reasons are it could have been that.

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Speaker 2: So well here's my here's my main question is what is I I get is the implication that she wants Shawan back just because he criticizes her and then she wants him back, or like like why does she just immediately change her mind? And like I was kind of waiting for that to become a thing, like like somebody to like get to Panga or Ben Corey to say, yeah, see you insult a woman. She comes right. I don't know, like because it seems like the implication is that now she's going to own me to get back at Corey, which is kind of funny.

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Speaker 3: But like maybe the idea is the reason the relationship wasn't going to work. The reason she doesn't want to be with you is because she didn't like your best friend. And so now she's like, listen, I'm just the reason we're not working is because of him, right, So I'm willing to give us a chance, but you have to get rid of him, and it's that kind of idea.

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Speaker 2: I wanted that to be.

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Speaker 3: I agree it.

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Speaker 2: Would because yeah, because I just kept being like, oh, oh, we're just back in the relationship, and I don't know, it was just a little like what why is is she so obsessed with this and like make it? You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: They just are just trying to get to you and.

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Speaker 3: Cort, and that's exactly it is. That once they got into that, it's like, this is clearly why we're here.

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Speaker 5: That's all that it was about, is just getting there.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if we could have just started with me in a relationship with the woman who didn't want us to be friends anymore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably that's probably where it should have started.

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Speaker 4: He didn't need any of the stuff lying in the hallway, and I should have just been yeah, Corey, looking at the two of you together.

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Speaker 3: So when Soorceld Sean Brakes, Corey Matthew's son of Allan and Amy, grandson of Nana and Sam, Corey shouts, how could you sell out my nana? Which is very funny.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer editing is weird it like holds it been too long? I was like, yeah, you hit the joke and then you get out and if we're already kind of lingers, I was like, oh, oh, is that the end of the scene is get held a laugh?

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Speaker 5: There?

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Speaker 2: I you never hold? Yeah, I never felt like the awkward editing on our show as as like much before. And I was like, yeah, there's a little awkward editing going on.

00:26:10
Speaker 3: Jennifer decides to flirt with Sean. Maybe there could still be something between us. She grabs his head, spins him in a circle, towers over him, and pushes him against the staircase, and then they knows to nose kiss, which I guess is sex. He I don't. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, you're like, look like we're doing Sean Caves. I'd be willing to give it another try, just as long as you're not mad at Corey. Jennifer puts her arm around him and they walk away. No, Sean, he's your best friend. How could I ever come between you and your best friend? And as they pass Cory and to Panga, Jennifer quickly holds up her hand in a claw and hisses at him.

00:26:48
Speaker 2: And I feel like she's about to break I feel like she has to cut it short because if she if she holds the moment too long, she's go yeah, I don't know.

00:26:56
Speaker 3: Cory asks to Panga if she saw that, and she confirmed she did. Corey Panna asking her what it means, and she tells him nothing good for you. And then we go to our surfer acid commercial break and we come back. We're in Chubbies. Corey sits with Sean. What does it mean when a girl goes? Sean shrugs it off. Come on, she was just being playful. Cory asks, playful like a spider when it catches a fly and sucks out its head meat. Sean defends her by explaining she was upset after all the terrible things he said about her. Corey corrects him. I said them to you to make my best friend feel better about being dumped. May I speak freely? Sean looks up and blurts out, I don't think that's wise, but Corey continues anyway, just as we see Jennifer walk up behind him. I think Jennifer should I say, Zathrac the undead is a stuck up, manipulative, cold blooded. Corey finally catches Sean's cues and stops giving us a classic season two joke by nervously asking.

00:27:46
Speaker 2: Are we keeping a tally? Yeah? Number five?

00:27:49
Speaker 5: Ten times?

00:27:50
Speaker 3: She's right behind me, isn't she. Jennifer says hello and he sticks his hand hand up all hail Zathrack. Jennifer pulls Sean away and plays with his his hair, and this is where we get a great look at the autographed OJ jersey.

00:28:05
Speaker 5: Yes, I saw that in the background as well.

00:28:08
Speaker 2: Priorities all we care about on fiveby twirls anymore, OJ jer.

00:28:13
Speaker 7: It's Jenson jumping in. Can I give you a small update on the OJ jersey? Yeah, okay, it possibly is because on the arm we see a trojan like that's obviously a big thing. But there were OJ years when he was on USC that the arms also had yellow lines kind of right at the shoulder or right around the bicep, somewhere in between the two places. So it is still possibly an OJ jersey, especially with the trojan. It's just not a direct connection because it's missing the stripes.

00:28:42
Speaker 3: Got it, okay, So it would for sure have been a nod to OJ Simpson if there were stripes on the jersey, but there is not.

00:28:48
Speaker 2: But it's still there Adams High colors, right?

00:28:51
Speaker 5: Were they?

00:28:52
Speaker 2: Were they the Trojans? No? Yeah, do we know?

00:28:57
Speaker 4: Did we ever know what their patriots that was? We know what the mascot was when we got to college.

00:29:02
Speaker 5: Was the penguin?

00:29:04
Speaker 3: Right?

00:29:04
Speaker 5: I don't know.

00:29:05
Speaker 2: I don't know if we ever had if we ever well, really have Patriots in my head, but I'm not sure. Likeston.

00:29:10
Speaker 3: This is your job, super fanfan. Your job is superfan wild Melissa. We nominated you as the universal voice of the fandom. Please, Melissa, reach out to us. Let us know what was the mascot at John Adams High. Oh, the patriot spirit was the name of the paper.

00:29:29
Speaker 2: So the Patriots is probably a good guess. Yeah, the Patriot And but I wonder if they just picked the colors and the most the easiest thing to buy was an Oja jersey once you knew the colors. Yeah, I still think it's an o j jersey.

00:29:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is all right.

00:29:44
Speaker 3: So Jennifer says, they've been working so hard to make this relationship work, but there are just some people who only want to tear them apart. She pleads, I don't think we should allow those negative presences in our lives, do you. Sean tries to stand his ground, saying he doesn't see it that way. Jennifer grabs him and kisses him him down in a booth. The camera stays on Pory, who.

00:30:03
Speaker 2: Watch the same scene, right, Yeah, Yes, it's like it's doing all the same things.

00:30:08
Speaker 3: Yes, you could just started source.

00:30:10
Speaker 2: Yes, we literally could have started with this scene and found a way to insert Chepanga and we would have had probably the same Yeah, yep, yep. I was wondering what was wrong. I was like, why, Oh, And now that you're spelling it out, like we literally just watched all these.

00:30:23
Speaker 5: Themes happen, it's essentially the same scene twice.

00:30:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:28
Speaker 3: We hear Sean exclaim, Wow, suddenly everything is so clear. Jennifer asks if he sees her point, and Sean tells her yes, you're a really good debater. Jennifer and Sean sit up, and she says, I think you should tell Corey you can't see him anymore. Sean argues, but we've been best friends our whole lives. How am I supposed to say Corey you're out of my life? Jennifer answers by pulling him back in for yet another makeout session. Laying in the booth, and Sewn manages to ask Corey if he can come over. Corey excitedly jumps up. Maybe this is good news. He immediately gets uncomfortable by what he sees in the booth. And this is where I was like, I don't mean to be a downer, but I'm bored, just yeah, bored here.

00:31:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think, I think it's not It's not just that it's like the the sort of now predictable stereotype of or archetypal moment of the and sort of it's also that it's a repeat, a repeat. Story wise, we have not made any progress yet. So not only do we have a beat that kind of makes you roll your eyes, we get it twice for no reason when it doesn't actually help.

00:31:24
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's interesting, absolutely right.

00:31:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of starts now rightly episode into the episode, Yes, exactly so.

00:31:32
Speaker 3: Then later at Chubbies and employee is clubbing, an employee is closing down Chubbies is to Panga, leans against a booth and stares down at Corey, now slumped on the floor, a call back to Shawn's cold open. She tells him to get up and Corey sadly explains he dumped me. He dumped me good, and thank god that was a short scene because I'm wearing a jacket in it, and so no good would have come from it. In the kitchen, yeah, which is why, Which is why, Daniel, it's not a great episode for me.

00:32:01
Speaker 2: You're not going to be a movie star. This is why it was hard for me to answer that question. Listen, writer, because movie stars can handle jackets.

00:32:08
Speaker 4: You know what I but Rider can't because he keeps losing them.

00:32:12
Speaker 5: True very strange jackets to all of us.

00:32:17
Speaker 3: And then we're in the Matthew's kitchen. Amy and Allan walk in from a night out and Eric, who was having some midnight pie and milk.

00:32:24
Speaker 2: Can we talk about milk? Liked, pour yourself a glass of milk, so much milk.

00:32:30
Speaker 3: It was like sixteen ounces of milk. And I'm like, watch.

00:32:33
Speaker 5: Milk too much?

00:32:35
Speaker 4: Myself poured myself a glass of milk that size last night, really almost every night, wow, really.

00:32:41
Speaker 2: Like are you seven years old? Like it's milk, milk is good for you and you're old boy.

00:32:47
Speaker 5: Milk milk a year.

00:32:51
Speaker 3: Plan and you.

00:32:52
Speaker 2: Got your teddy your stuff, Teddy your teddy bear in the closet. Did you were you watching cartoons? Do you drink your you're watching cartoons?

00:33:02
Speaker 5: I was watching an animated feature film.

00:33:05
Speaker 3: Okay, twirly straw, swirly straw in your mouth.

00:33:10
Speaker 5: I drank.

00:33:10
Speaker 4: My idea that milk is for children is completely wrong. Milk is for everybody. You always need the calcium in the vitamin D. You guys, it's all fun and games, so you get osteoporosis.

00:33:36
Speaker 3: Eric, who's eating midnight pie, scolds them, it's about time you kids got home. It's almost eleven o'clock. I was worried sick. I had Peenie looking for you. I called the police. Amy asks, really, and Eric admits no, I didn't even know you left. Nice time. Amy says they went to a one woman show at the theater. Eric asks, juggling, Alan corrects him. No, she sat on a stool and told the remarkable story of her himself.

00:33:56
Speaker 2: A glass milk. Really, two grown men, we're all just gonna sit around drinking milk. Amy has this decency to have a cup of tea or something.

00:34:06
Speaker 5: And new milk last night too.

00:34:07
Speaker 3: There are a few meals that I think call for a glass of milk.

00:34:11
Speaker 2: I will dessert pie, I guess witch like.

00:34:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, also spaghetti with red sauce. It's like a sue.

00:34:21
Speaker 2: The encounterpoint to the spaghetti.

00:34:23
Speaker 4: The idea that you're trying to justify milk. I don't understand what's happening people. Yes, it's super podcast sponsored by milk.

00:34:32
Speaker 2: I was the one who did the milk commercial.

00:34:34
Speaker 3: That's right, he did.

00:34:35
Speaker 5: He did it, tastes.

00:34:38
Speaker 3: Eric jokes, you couldn't afford a real show, huh. Alan hands the tickets to Eric and shows him the price. Thirty bucks. He spent thirty bucks to listen to some lady on a stool. Alan tells him it was a three hundred seat theater and it was completely sold out. Eric's in shock, trying to figure out the math. That's like three hundred times thirty. Amy says the show had even been sold out for months. Eric unders this idea, and then we get a dissolve, which is like a distant cousin to the optical flip, and we see Eric slowly pressing one key at a time on his laptop with crumpled papers all around his laptop.

00:35:11
Speaker 2: Slash eighties word process. I mean, I guess did still look like that.

00:35:18
Speaker 5: That was probably cutting edge.

00:35:19
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the printer on the table too, Like you got to immediately be able to print out. It's like show the writer at work, and there's always the crumpled up papers, like why do you need to print it out to read it? Like it's oh great, I love it. It's it's it's so clearly a because Michael Jacobs was a play right, and I like, do you guys remember Jef McCracken's story about Michael writing his first play. No, they were roommates and and Michael because Michael started as an actor, they were both cheaters or whatever it was, yeah, cheaters and which became his movie. But Michael like came home from an audition was like, that's it. I'm so because he had had such a bad audition or gotten really close to a part I forget. We'll have to ask Jeff what it was. A it was there was like a famous part that Michael got close on whatever. He was so pissed and he was like that's it and grabbed his typewriter and went into the other room and over like the course of the weekend, like didn't emerge until he had written his play and apparently like it was this scene like it was I mean away and Jeff was like reading the pages as they were coming out and going like this is funny. Michael, Yeah, so there you go, funny. So this is a little window into.

00:36:29
Speaker 5: Playwriting, guessing he was typing faster than Eric was.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, and had a typewriter and had an actual typewriter.

00:36:36
Speaker 3: Corey walks up and curiously reads over his shoulder. Eric matthews and look at me, look at me, one woman show. Eric quickly corrects himself, Oh yeah, for me, this would be man. Corey grabs the script and notices Eric is writing a play about himself. Eric asks if he can bounce the opening off of him, and Corey quickly responds, let me bounce this off of you, throwing the script at him, which.

00:36:56
Speaker 4: Is clearly I think a boy meets World scripts ooh are using Yes, yeah, but that joke is just a terrible joke, terrible head off.

00:37:05
Speaker 2: I was like, can we a few times? I'm like, wow, come on, guys, let's punch it up here, like you're sticking with this one. Yeah.

00:37:14
Speaker 5: Jerk store, jerk.

00:37:15
Speaker 3: Store, yeah exactly. Eric argues that people will care about this play because he is a human life. He dramatically looks off into the distance, romanticizing his life, and then states camera, I know.

00:37:28
Speaker 2: Yes, a little a little dolly move, which is hard to do one of those camera the way those cameras foods pretty us to Jeff McCracken.

00:37:37
Speaker 3: I know, I love that he found little ways to be creative. There. I don't understand the wake up damn you joke? Does do either of you?

00:37:46
Speaker 2: Corey has already fallen asleep, like he's committed?

00:37:51
Speaker 3: Is he Is he pretending to be asleep? There?

00:37:53
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:37:53
Speaker 5: He was.

00:37:56
Speaker 3: We got it, Okay, I didn't notice that. I was like, I don't understand the joke. Okay, well now I feel like an idiot. But anyway, he didn't get it, Okay.

00:38:03
Speaker 5: You should, I mean a little bit.

00:38:04
Speaker 3: Thanks, I love you.

00:38:06
Speaker 2: But it was a pretty good joke, really yeah, I mean because the camera move sold.

00:38:11
Speaker 3: It, right.

00:38:12
Speaker 2: I like single camera stuff. I like where there's visual jokes, and this is like one of the few times we've.

00:38:17
Speaker 4: Done like a you're also just coming off of let me throw this at you, so any jokes.

00:38:23
Speaker 3: I also just couldn't take my eyes off of Eric. I did not look at Corey so I know, but so I didn't know. Yeah, anyway, wake up Damnuel okay.

00:38:32
Speaker 5: And handsome with his hair in this episod, you like, take your eyes off me?

00:38:38
Speaker 3: Everybody.

00:38:39
Speaker 5: Everybody heard that? Right?

00:38:42
Speaker 3: The phone rings and Eric answers, telling the person on the other line, Nope, no Dory here. Corey runs over. It's for him. He takes the phone from his confused brother Sean. Sean scolds him, You're supposed to call me Jawn. Cory asks, why is Jennifer there? Sean corrects him again, Jennifer, Jennifer.

00:39:00
Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous and outlandish and crazy, and I loved everything.

00:39:04
Speaker 3: And also so exactly what I think Sean would do. It's exactly It's exactly the way Sean would handle it. I love it so much.

00:39:11
Speaker 2: These everybody phone call scenes are just the best.

00:39:16
Speaker 3: This is our first ever split screen on Boy Mean's World.

00:39:19
Speaker 5: Is the first.

00:39:21
Speaker 2: Yes, we give one, I swear did we do one? When like Eric su yes huh, I'm a seven year old yes huh, yes, huh.

00:39:33
Speaker 3: Go ahead, writer? When was the other one?

00:39:35
Speaker 2: I thought it? I thought Eric was stuck somewhere on a payphone. I don't know. For some I have it in my head that we are because I feel like we pointed out, oh, this is our first split screen at another episode I was.

00:39:46
Speaker 3: On the road trip at the cle place.

00:39:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like either that. No, I think it was earlier. I think it was like first or second season, when I'm thinking that the Susan is Stelle Chentsen episode it's a wonderful night, or the car breaks down and Eric stuck on the you know, I don't know. For some reason, I have it in my head that we did a space screen. I remember being like, is this our first Sean Chat calls in?

00:40:06
Speaker 5: Is that all?

00:40:07
Speaker 2: That's a split screen?

00:40:08
Speaker 3: All right? Well, then I rescinned what I said.

00:40:10
Speaker 5: I take it care. You've gotten a bunch of stuff wrong this episode.

00:40:13
Speaker 3: Go ahead, we'll take over. Do you host this show?

00:40:18
Speaker 5: I would love to. So here we go. Uh scene, I don't know where we are. I don't haven't written in front of me at all.

00:40:26
Speaker 3: So he says, no, she's at them all. And then it was literally this moment where I went, Okay, I know none of the feelings I had about the beginning of this episode. I'm no longer bored. I'm fully hook line and sinker, I'm in I love it. This is why this episode exists, to see Sean and Corey being starcross lovers. It's so funny and I love it now. So Cory asks, how could he just let some girl tell him me can't see his best friend. It's wrong, just wrong. There's silence on the other line, and Corey asks if Sean's still there. Sean responds, I was just listening to the sound of your voice and thinking about the old days the audience.

00:41:00
Speaker 4: Writer, your reads on these things are so spot on good.

00:41:05
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just you're like riding that line so perfectly.

00:41:09
Speaker 2: It's just you just commit to it as as a lover and you play the reality of it. I know, but that's you know, that's always comedy when taken seriously, is the best characters take the series. And that's where, Yeah, it was so fun. I remember just being like, this is so fun.

00:41:27
Speaker 3: Well, if there's ever a subject teenage writer or strong didn't need a whole lot of direction about. It was about teenage love and being torn from my mother. I have to be on this stupid TV show while my lover is up north and I'm thirteen.

00:41:42
Speaker 5: Years seventh grade dance yet.

00:41:45
Speaker 3: But do you writer remember working with Jeff at all on being directed about the subtext or anything.

00:41:53
Speaker 2: No, I just remember Ben and I loving this. See. I remember loving doing this scene and I was I feel like I was able to see Ben somehow we coordinated when we like did our moves and I'm not sure if they brought a monitor or if where they positioned me, I could see him so we could do that.

00:42:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:42:09
Speaker 2: But I just remember discovering, like I mean, I think we already knew how funny it was, but I remember living the comedy and just having so much fun. Like I just remember, you know, this is this is. I feel like these last four episodes have been me and Ben having so much fun and like it's just we've clicked into this gear as actors. As co actors that I remember, you know, we had a mind meld. We had a mind meld as actors, and we were always having fun and we always had each other's backs, and there was just this complete sense of confidence and comfort with each other.

00:42:42
Speaker 5: I remember this killing at the run throughs.

00:42:45
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm sure every.

00:42:46
Speaker 5: Time, crushing at the run throughs. It was so good.

00:42:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the audience is hootin and hollering, and they love Qoran or Shory. What would it be? What would your what would your relationship name be? Sy is probably what it is, okay, so that would probably be It'd probably be Cooran.

00:43:09
Speaker 4: It'd be Surey on the page until the first rewrite, and then it'd be Koran.

00:43:14
Speaker 3: I don't know that. They walk. Corey shakes his head. I gotta see you. Sean says, no, that would be impossible. Corey asks, because of her, He threatens to show up at Sean's if he refuses to come to his house. Sean gives in, I'll see you, but just this once. Corey obliges. That's all I'm asking for. Sean says, the library tomorrow morning, eight o'clock. Corey size the library it is. Then I'll step aside forever. And the audience is loving every second as Coy and Sean. But then they can pull it back up to their ear in case the other one says something else, and the audience is still just like reacting to every single second of it. Corey finally hangs up the phone, turning to a stunned Eric, who has heard the entire phone call. He flatly states, I want my own room.

00:43:58
Speaker 2: Gay pan my face, kay, panic, But it's pretty pretty, it's pretty. I mean, it's just the I just yeah, you need the joke and you need the button, and Will's seriousness is hysterical and like, yeah, oh, pretty funny. I don't know what if there's a better joke, if you know, but it's yeah, it's funny.

00:44:15
Speaker 3: It is funny. So then we're in the school library. Sean sits quietly when Jennifer walks into the library. She's been looking all over, and Sean is very surprised to see her. He tells her he's been studying, and she admires that he's putting his time to better use now that he's not constantly with Corey. She notices Sean has a cinnamon bun with a blue bow and a sea on it, and she questions what it's for. He awkwardly explains it stands for see I knew you'd be here, and he hands it to her. Just then to Panga walks up and Sean asks if she knows his girlfriend. To Panga and Jennifer cut him off, immediately, giving each other a quick high and a very phony girl to girl.

00:44:48
Speaker 2: Hey, oh, it's really funny.

00:44:50
Speaker 3: That's really funny.

00:44:51
Speaker 2: It's really funny. It's you get the entire history of these characters and everything you need to know about them without really funny. Really it's funny too, and like only in the performance. Yeah, yeh, do you remember how that happened, Danielle? Like it was it written that way?

00:45:06
Speaker 3: Or I do think it was written that way? Yes, I think it was written that way, And I think I would.

00:45:12
Speaker 2: Like to see the script. I wonder what it says in the script, like, like, how do you describe.

00:45:16
Speaker 3: That, because it's they give each other a short high or a curt high. I would imagine it's something.

00:45:21
Speaker 5: Like that phony Hi, something phony, Hi, I.

00:45:24
Speaker 3: Mean, because it is, and I do. The only thing I kind of remember is that she and I really enjoyed figuring out exactly what that was going to be and it and us just both knowing at the exact same time exactly what that is. You go, Hi, they're a fake smile Hi? Anyway, So I yeah, I love that moment. To Panga, tell Sean, she just came from the classics section emphasizing classics, old favorites. There's something there you might be interested in. He gets the hint. He tells Jennifer he's going to go check out that book. Corey whisper, yell Sean's name just to the from Jennifer, still right in her eye line. Sewan answers back, Corey, is that you? Corey sarcastically says, no, it's the audiobook section you more on. Sean moves a few books out of the way, and the boys are face to face. Sean explains he couldn't come alone because you know who wouldn't let him. Although he did intend to.

00:46:19
Speaker 5: Come alone, he was supposed to be there alone. He was.

00:46:22
Speaker 3: He was actually there alone at first until she showed up.

00:46:26
Speaker 2: She did let me.

00:46:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's worried, she suspects. Corey assures him, I understand she's important to you. Sean nods. They both knew this would happen eventually. Once they got girlfriends, they would have less time for each other. Cory asks that cinebond was for me though, right. Sean giggles shyly.

00:46:41
Speaker 5: Cory, the way you say his.

00:46:44
Speaker 3: Name, it's so cute, and I love it. It's just the cutest. So Cory pleads, we got to meet. Sean questions where, and Corey answers Paris. Sean argues that's the first place she'd look.

00:46:59
Speaker 5: First place.

00:47:01
Speaker 3: Sean says they need to go someplace a woman would never expect, and Corey suggests the Three Stooges.

00:47:07
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just great dial really so funny.

00:47:10
Speaker 5: It was so good.

00:47:13
Speaker 3: They try to come up with a plan, and then Jennifer walks up to check on Sean. Since he's been gone an awfully long time, she asks if he is here. Sean laughs, I have no idea of any he of whom you speak.

00:47:23
Speaker 2: Run.

00:47:25
Speaker 5: It's just so great. Run right to the joke in the perfect way. That's what I'm telling you. You You were hitting beats.

00:47:32
Speaker 4: You were hitting comedy beats in this one that I don't recall you hitting in previous episodes.

00:47:36
Speaker 3: You're right, well, this feels like like an absolute elevation of his skills.

00:47:41
Speaker 5: Yes, just straight up comedy. It was great, really good.

00:47:45
Speaker 3: Jennifer searches for Corey through the bookshelf, as he dodges her just in time. Frantically, Sean concludes, I told you he wasn't there. She believes him and asks Sean to walk her to French class. She grabs his shoulder oh, you're so tense. I'll sit behind you and rub your shoulders. She grabs his hand and leads him out of the line library as he looks longingly back at Corey. Corey watches them leave and sighs, I used to sit behind him. And then we're in the Matthew's backyard. Eric walks out with a large script in his hand, and we get to see the second Phoenie call ever.

00:48:13
Speaker 2: Phoenie call t kind.

00:48:16
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you're you're inching your way, you guys said the last one was the Phoenie Call.

00:48:22
Speaker 2: I feel like we're taking this in stages. I feel, you know, I wouldn't I was the official call has not happened yet, but the setup and now we're building on it, like.

00:48:34
Speaker 3: The basis of the Sphenie Call has been laid, and we are getting to what we all know and love is with it, yes exactly. Phoenee, crouched in his garden, is startled by Eric's scream. Eric says he needs a favor. He wants Phoene to read the play he wrote. Phoene's wide eyed at the statement. It's four hundred pages of a one man show. Phoene responds, no, no, no, don't care. Eric says, he even mentions Phoenie, then starts to read his play to show him it starts off with this cross country road trip, and he has Phoene take over with the next line, the hot wind howled like a kind of howling, hot windy thing.

00:49:10
Speaker 5: It seemed like Bill was having fun. Yeah, episode too. I mean you can kind of see when he's starting to enjoy himself.

00:49:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he seems to be at that point now where he's actually having a good time.

00:49:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, he seems to be having I'm noticing that. Yeah.

00:49:25
Speaker 3: Eric has rented out a little theater and he has complimentary ticket for Phoene. Eric adds, if you have any friends that are play types, can you do me a favor and sell fifty or one hundred of these? Phoene looks at the ticket, thirty dollars each. Eric lets him in on a secret. Well, the matinee is twenty two to fifty, but I kind of pull back on my performance a little bit. Feeney wishes him luck, only able to mutter the words wow. And then we're in the Matthew's kitchen. Corey's making an extravagant meal when Alan walks down, asking if he's expecting company. Amy tells him it's adorable. He's been at this all afternoon. Corey's panicked dinner was supposed to be ready at six thirty sharp, but and o two and still nowhere to be seen. Tapanga shows up at the back door with a pie in her hands. Amy tells her, you have no idea how much Corey loves you. Alan pulls Amy to the living room so they can get out of the lovebird's way. Tapanga apologizes for being late. The pie took forever. Corey admits they both wasted their time. Sean still hasn't shown up. Topanga assures he'll be there, and Corey sassily tells her in the meantime, I'll just stick my beef brochettes back in the oven until they're ruined. Throws the thing down, God tosses his apron. It's so well done. Topanga has to leave, but she reminds Corey to lighten up. Just then, the phone rings and Corey hesitates. He tells Tapanga he wants Sean to worry for a change. When the phone continues to ring, he says, who am I kidding, before running over to answer it, and then we're back in the split screen with Sean on the other line, now holding a tennis racket, wearing a polo with a sweater vest and on top.

00:50:50
Speaker 2: Favor I am becoming a yuppie. It's never referenced, but that I am dressed like this and I care, and that I'm caring a trophy in the next t is my favorite funniest things. It's like because we never have to mention it. Oh my god, oh my god, it's like, yes, I love that. I just wanted her. I just want more of that, Like I wish there had been a little bit more of like even in the library scene, if I had already started to be like dressed differently and like I just if I could go back, I would have fought for a little bit more of the because it is so funny. Yeah, he's just becoming more and more of this, like you know, Brad with her, Like, I just love it. I love it.

00:51:31
Speaker 5: It is my favorite thing of the entire episode.

00:51:34
Speaker 2: I want a trophy, like I wanted to tennis. Really get to do it.

00:51:37
Speaker 5: You want trophy play tennis, And it's never brought up.

00:51:39
Speaker 2: God, oh my god.

00:51:40
Speaker 3: It made me so funny.

00:51:43
Speaker 2: And I didn't remember that at all, but no me neither. So the second I popped in, I was like, why am I wad that's funny, and like it's a subtle joke because she's just talking. They just talk about her being stuck up in that first scene. Otherwise they never really reference her character of being rich or whatever. But I just love it. Yeah, Sehn's moving up in the world.

00:52:00
Speaker 3: Man too much sweaters. He tells Corey he can't make it tonight. Corey says he's not hurt, but he clearly is. Sean explains that Jennifer invited him to her country club and Corey asks, and he couldn't say he was just having dinner with his best friend. Sean reveals that Jennifer found his box of Cinnabon receipts, alluding to many receipts and many Cinnabons, which is just.

00:52:20
Speaker 2: So fu so ridiculous perfect.

00:52:23
Speaker 5: I told you to destroy them.

00:52:27
Speaker 3: Corey scolds him, I told you to burn those. Sean says he couldn't, and now Jennifer won't let him out of her sight. Jennifer then yells over their cord is open. Sean apologizes to Corey and Corey continues to play it cool. They both start to hang up, only again to pull it back up to the air quickly to see if the other says anything before ultimately hanging up. The audience is again just I mean, they get such a kick out of this bit. They are more invested in this than anything Corey and Topanga have ever done all the ways. Corey turns back to Topanga. Doesn't he like tennis? Tapega points out that he's a wreck. Corey thinks Sean doesn't need him anymore now that he has Jennifer. Tapanga reminds him of when they first started going out. She never kept him from seeing Sean because she knows there's something about a best friend that no one can replace. Corey shocked, you understood that. Tapega asks why she spent the entire day baking a pie she was never going to eat. Corey mentions that's because she's a sweet girl. Tapega says, Sean deserves a sweet girl too, a girl who understands that a best friend is part of who you are. And if she doesn't accept your best friend, then she's really not accepting you. You know, the way you hated my best friend Triny, who disappeared off the show after we got back together. Oh wait, I added that last part by myself. That was just me. No, no, that wasn't part of the show.

00:53:40
Speaker 2: Is allowed to have her own life and her own friends and to.

00:53:41
Speaker 3: Do her own you know really you think so, yeah, yeah.

00:53:44
Speaker 2: She's her own social life, she has her own identity or yeah, it's very clear that I used to have it. But this love the friendship triangle.

00:53:52
Speaker 5: Thing, it's right, it's.

00:53:56
Speaker 2: Also can have you know, well.

00:53:58
Speaker 4: You're still dressed like like you're in the seven and now a much too short skirt, the belts and the seventies, the seventies outfit, yes, notice that as well.

00:54:07
Speaker 3: Tapeinka tells him he needs to clean up the kitchen and go to go to dinner at Chubby's in about an hour. Corey asks why, but she just emphasizes in about an hour before walking away. And then we're outside the theater. We see a poster for Eric's show that reads look at me, look at me, accompanied with a dramatic black and white headshots of him and intriguing offer opening night special free shoe rental with every ticket.

00:54:30
Speaker 2: And that will did you get to keep this post framed.

00:54:32
Speaker 5: It's framed like twenty feet from here. Yep, I have a.

00:54:37
Speaker 3: We are going to have to ask you to take a picture next to that poster. I will send it to us.

00:54:41
Speaker 5: Still have it.

00:54:43
Speaker 3: Inside the theater, the spotlight turns on, revealing Eric, dressed in all black like a mime, his head tucked into his turtleneck, sitting on a stool as he plays the sound of a baby crying. He re enacts his birth by pulling his head out of his turtleneck and exclaiming, June twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight.

00:54:58
Speaker 2: I am born.

00:55:00
Speaker 3: Eric shares a birthday June twenty fourth with my son Adler, twenty four brothers.

00:55:06
Speaker 2: That's right, But I feel like there's been some some some conflict with Eric's birthday. Yeah, because when he turned sixteen to get his license, it was like snowstorm or something like. There's like rash, it doesn't it's whatever you want and whenever you knew it.

00:55:20
Speaker 3: But yeah, well I'm nineteen seventy eight.

00:55:22
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think how old you would have been. Well, yeah, I guess that makes sense. You would have been twenty or new years ago.

00:55:28
Speaker 5: Eric supposed to be two years younger than me in this apparently, so if you were.

00:55:31
Speaker 3: Born in seventy eight and this was in ninety six, you're supposed to be eighteen.

00:55:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, which makes sense. Yeah, you're just out of high school. You're the year after high school.

00:55:41
Speaker 3: Keep going, well, keep going fifteen and then eighteen eight. Right there you go. Okay, he's going to math.

00:55:48
Speaker 2: Get a glass of milk.

00:55:49
Speaker 3: You Apricorn Sagittarius number last, keep milk if you keep adding nineteen seventy eight onto itself. See foene Amy and Allen watching on in Disbelieve. Eric lists the events that happened on his day of birth, calling John Paul the second John Ball. I I oh, I.

00:56:10
Speaker 2: Love that. He just like looked in and in encyclopedia for what was happening in that year. It was like clearly, like like you would say nowadays, he just googled what happened in the year. It just starts listing things.

00:56:20
Speaker 5: Fucking wagonles it back in the day.

00:56:22
Speaker 3: Yes, so funny. A new dance craze sweeps the nation. He plays disco music, and a disco ball appears above him. He stands in a dramatic Saturday Night fever pose. This forces a couple to quickly get up and leave. They have made a decision about his play. In the first fifteen seconds, Eric continues, nineteen eighty four, poopoo wana bus.

00:56:43
Speaker 5: So I think that's the only take that I did. Huh that I wasn't laughing. Oh, really would not get through nineteen eighty.

00:56:51
Speaker 2: It was so funny because you were so committed. I didn't see you about to break it all.

00:56:55
Speaker 4: I remember Michael even saying to me a one time after one run through. He's like, you gotta hold it together for that line, Like I'm trying, but that line is so funny.

00:57:02
Speaker 3: Also the fact that you're six.

00:57:07
Speaker 2: That's true. I didn't six years old. He poops on a bus. Yeah, six, and I'm pooping on a bus. I didn't even put that together.

00:57:18
Speaker 5: I couldn't hold it together for that line. It was so funny.

00:57:20
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm so glad.

00:57:22
Speaker 5: And Rusty's laughing the whole time, like I'm during run through. It's just, you know, the audience isn't there. It's just Rusty and Betsy and Bill didn't do this.

00:57:30
Speaker 3: In front of the audience, I know. So then we're in the back room of Chubby's Tapanga's leaning on the pool table as Sean walks through the brand new hot pink curtains. He's never seen those before, still wearing his country club outfit. Now he has a tennis trophy.

00:57:46
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that they never mentioned it is the best that it's just you've just got a trophy.

00:57:53
Speaker 5: You obviously one some tennis tournament.

00:57:55
Speaker 3: I mean pretty good you won, and you don't usually play so grace. Sean asks why Topanga wanted to see him, and she tells him that someone else wants to see you. Corey nervously appears staring at Sean as he walks up to Pega says she knows they haven't seen each other in a while, so she'll just wait outside. Sean compliments Corey on his girlfriend, admiring the thoughtful act. They decide to shoot some stick, and Corey reminisces.

00:58:19
Speaker 2: By the way, shoot some stea.

00:58:21
Speaker 3: You what when he drinks his milk?

00:58:27
Speaker 5: You want some stick? Yeah, always, that's what we said. Yeah, maybe it's an.

00:58:31
Speaker 3: Maybe it's an East custing. Corey reminisces about the days they used to be able to do this without the specter of the wicked Witch. Of the West hanging over them. Sean looks disappointed, and Corey corrects himself, not that Jennifer is a wicked witch. Corey tries to connect, if you're going out with this girl, there's got to be something really nice about her, and I just want you to be happy. Sean thanks him big giggles. It's hard to take you seriously with chalk on your nose. Corey tries to wipe it off, but Sean goes ahead and does it for him, and just then midwipe, Jennifer walks in and gasps. Corey shrieks back in the.

00:59:02
Speaker 2: Crate a physical thing to bring us together as if we're like caught kissing. I mean it's really clever like that. That takes the next level because you know, just having you know she's coming in right, but but like putting us in a compromise position exactly. It's like, how do you do that with two straight guys without like literally having, you know, go into a territory we can't go without ruining the joke. So it's like, oh, you have to have the straight guys touching each other. I'm sure they went through it. They were like, could he be helping him do a pool thing where they're like running over it's too far.

00:59:37
Speaker 3: On his shirt.

00:59:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta make it intimate and something would be too sexual, but the shock is perfect and it's.

00:59:44
Speaker 5: Like great, it's great.

00:59:47
Speaker 3: So Corey shrieks in his classic benuet. Jennifer yells, how could you do this to me? And Sean quickly explains, this isn't Corey, this is cake.

00:59:56
Speaker 2: Legendary line and legendary PA's face her who knew that, like if something is deceptively cake would become like a regular part of cake?

01:00:09
Speaker 3: Is it cake?

01:00:12
Speaker 4: TV?

01:00:12
Speaker 2: Shows about is it cake? And this is like something my cake loves? Because we could be cake right now?

01:00:18
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

01:00:19
Speaker 2: How weird is that? Like of all the jokes to have made, this is this is cake. It's like actually kind of a thing now, so weird funny, but yeah, Ben's cake face?

01:00:29
Speaker 5: Can you have milk with cake?

01:00:30
Speaker 2: Is that?

01:00:31
Speaker 5: Okay?

01:00:32
Speaker 2: I never drink milk at all, but you do? You man, that's why your pants are brittle? Bro, How do you know my bones are brittle?

01:00:39
Speaker 5: Because that's why.

01:00:43
Speaker 3: Sean asks how she knew he was at Chubbies, and she says she received an anonymous tip on her cell phone, and that's the first cell phone reference on Boy Meets World.

01:00:51
Speaker 2: Oh, we haven't actually seen anybody with a phone.

01:00:55
Speaker 5: No, it's ninety six, ninety six. Yeah, did you have cell phones?

01:01:00
Speaker 3: I had a pager and I think I had my Nokia phone.

01:01:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a big phone in my car.

01:01:05
Speaker 3: But I yeah, well yeah, we had the big big costa dollar or whatever.

01:01:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Will had pagers, and we had pagers.

01:01:13
Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure by ninety six because I well, I know I had a phone that I could use by the time I started driving, which would have been ninety seven.

01:01:21
Speaker 2: So I remember by the end of Boy, we were doing that what's the Snake game in the.

01:01:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you guess black I love Snake. I would still play Snake. And I missed my BlackBerry. Blackberries are the greatest.

01:01:31
Speaker 2: Ones black, very high. Yeah, that's what I heard that.

01:01:35
Speaker 3: Then I also had the BlackBerry with the keyboard and the little roller ball.

01:01:42
Speaker 4: I had the little black flip phone whatever that was with the antenna.

01:01:45
Speaker 5: That already had.

01:01:47
Speaker 3: I remember those two the razors, that's.

01:01:49
Speaker 2: What it was.

01:01:50
Speaker 5: Yea Lodorolla, that's what it was.

01:02:04
Speaker 3: Corey doesn't understand the only person that knew where they were was to Penga and is.

01:02:09
Speaker 5: That the first one?

01:02:11
Speaker 2: That's okay.

01:02:12
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of firsts in this sort something.

01:02:13
Speaker 3: A lot of first This is kind of an iconic episode.

01:02:16
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think this locked in a lot of things. Yeah, I think, you know, I think that this whole love triangle joke of like Corey and Sean like, yeah, I mean it's all basically because of this episode, because of the success of this episode and the success of us. It's like finding the comedy together.

01:02:35
Speaker 3: It just yeah, que Topanga walks in, talking like a Scooby Doo villain. It was I who made the call. It's time she knew. She reveals to Jennifer that the boys have kept their relationship alive despite her evil attempt to keep them apart. To Penga snips, true friendship is stronger than the allure of a cheap kiss. Jennifer doesn't react, so Tapega looks up at her and shouts, Hey, I'm talking to you up there. What do you guys remember about out this line reading and this scene and all you can.

01:03:03
Speaker 2: Hear my line reading too? Yeah, that's stupid cold, Like what am I doing? I know it's not that. What was that was a line reading that Michael gave me, Like, clearly, I was just being told because I think it's maybe like an impression of somebody from an old timey movie. I don't know, but you can tell that I am not comfortable with it. It's not funny and I'm just doing an imitation.

01:03:26
Speaker 3: I actually wondered because you know, you know Dede di Stefano, who was a wonderful guest on the nod Meats World, she says bathroom and conned and conned, and so I was wondering if it was like a thing.

01:03:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was my now.

01:03:38
Speaker 2: The second I saw it, I was like, this makes me angry and uncomfortable and I feel like this is not what I want to be doing. Brings up the feelings, the feeling of like, oh, I have to do it this way and I don't want to and this is not funny to me, but I got to do it and get the obligatory laugh. Yeah. I hated this. Hated this scene, this part of the scene.

01:03:57
Speaker 4: I don't remember the scene at all, but I thought You're line reading was funny, Danielle Hey, because it was the way it was kind of stilted yeah, mixed to me with the kind of thirties talking.

01:04:10
Speaker 2: It was I who didn't right there, This is that I wouldn't want to change a word of this scene. I would just want to go back and have another take, another rehearsal and do it, or like I said, actually go back a day so it was less rehearsed, because as it is, it feels like we are lining delivery systems, delivering jokes, which and they are funny jokes. Yeah, but I wanted I wanted this to have the organic human quality the phone calls did that the library scene had. If you know, like this just felt like child actors doing their.

01:04:41
Speaker 3: Bits, right, I can see that. So she gives them an ultimatum, telling it's Corey or it's Then she grabs his hair and pulls him in for one of her mind altering kisses, and then says me post kiss. Sean then turns to Corey, Okay, what do you got? Corey shrugs, you can't top that. Sean snaps himself back reality. He tells Jennifer, Corey's my friend, and so is Topanga. If you can't be friends with my friends, then I'm not so sure. I want to be friends with you, but we can still kiss. She rolls her eyes. Consider yourself dumped, Sean. He doesn't react, so she asks, didn't you hear me? I said you're dumped. He wags his finger at her. It doesn't bother him this time, as he stands next to Corey and Topanga, because he's getting more than he's losing. Jennifer sarcastically responds, I hope you're all very happy together. See she saw, she saw what we had.

01:05:32
Speaker 4: That's what Sue said too, Sue said, I she's watching. She said, I think this might be one of the original thruples.

01:05:39
Speaker 3: And certainly, if the first teen thruple, you.

01:05:41
Speaker 2: And I would have to actually talk to each other.

01:05:43
Speaker 3: She leaves, attempting to give Corey a hiss when she passes, but he gives her one right back. Corey embraces Sean and Topanga. Things are finally back to normal. No more lies, no more sneaking around. They'll be able to do whatever they want whenever they want. Corey awkwardly asks, so what do you want to do? Sean responds, I know, what do you want to do? Corey pauses, see at school, Sean of Greese, Yeah, see you at school, and they both walk away, leaving Tapanga completely confused. Why did they make such a big deal about being together if they weren't going to be together.

01:06:12
Speaker 5: That's the joy of being I know, I.

01:06:15
Speaker 3: That it is the joy of true friendships.

01:06:19
Speaker 5: Great, I know you really will see it.

01:06:22
Speaker 3: So then we're in the tag. We're back in the theater. Eric's one man show continues. He's finally gotten to being eighteen years old. He mentions the crossroads he faces, and then he says transition. We see Amy dead asleep in the audience. Alan is hitting himself in the head. Eric rewinds back to his days as a five year old in kindergarten when he didn't know which cubby was his.

01:06:42
Speaker 5: He backwards.

01:06:45
Speaker 2: Back to five and it's like, uh oh, Alan's like, oh god, he's five again.

01:06:50
Speaker 3: We've got four hundred pages here.

01:06:53
Speaker 2: Here's what is so awesome about the writing here is like it would have been so easy to make Eric just a bad play right, but instead they make Eric a sophisticated bad playwright, do you know what I mean? Like he's jumping through time and trying to be artistic. Like it's not like you know, it's like it's that's what I love about. It's like because you could see somebody hitting play on a jukebox and like having background noise of babies crying, Like there's a there's a version of like taking himself so seriously, and I just love it. I love that he's not like because even in the joke with with the script with Feenie, it was just bad writing. But here it's like good bad or it's something it's like layered bad writing. And that is just the genius of like our writing staff like to be able to take it to that level of like, don't just have it be the joke that he's it's a horrible It's like it yeah, yeah, it's so good.

01:07:45
Speaker 3: He's actually really self reflective. He's able to go at this point when I did not know which cubby was mine, I also find myself like he's truly looked at. That's just super like, yeah, it's so great. He connects the two crossroads and ends with nap time. Feenie appears on stage and asks Eric how he's doing.

01:08:07
Speaker 7: Eric, how do how you.

01:08:08
Speaker 3: So funny on the Spotlight?

01:08:10
Speaker 5: How you doing?

01:08:11
Speaker 3: Eric admits he doesn't know why he did this in the first place, his life is meaningless. No one wants to hear him talk about it. Even his own parents are asleep. Phoene gives some wisdom, in the play of your life, all your great scenes lie ahead of you. Eric asks, so in thirty to forty years, I could write a play you'd want to come and see. Phoene says, No, tonight pretty much killed any interest he had in the theater.

01:08:33
Speaker 2: Oh he's so great.

01:08:34
Speaker 5: I missed these scenes so much. These I beg.

01:08:39
Speaker 3: Eric asks Phoene where his life will go from here, and Phoene explains, now you have passion, you have drive, certainly you have guts. I frankly can't wait to see what happens to you. Eric asks, with a glimmer in his eye, you're not going to tell me to give up my life as an actor and go get a college education. Phoene says he's told him to get a college education ten thousand times. He doesn't need to tell him again. Eric asks about his acting, and Phoenie doesn't hesitate. Get a college education.

01:09:02
Speaker 2: College and I mean this is like, you know, this is this is amazing. Boy meets world like because you have the joke of a one man show over the top ridiculous comedy stuff. Yeah, and you still pull the heart strings, kill the life lessons, make it believable and create an amazing relationship between two characters, and like it's just solid family writing.

01:09:27
Speaker 5: It's also in the writing.

01:09:29
Speaker 4: They easily and any other show I think would have done could have done a scene just like this, but it would have been backstage or off to have Phenie on stage in the middle of the show in the spotlight to where then you cut back to Amy and Allen watching the two of them together on the stage, and that.

01:09:48
Speaker 2: Becomes a show that becomes actually a successful one man show in a way, I know it's them talking about you as the two of you are great together. Yes, like basically are writers and our show saying we know that these two are great together as actors, as characters, Like we all love this, and it's like it encodes for the audience a comfort level with the whole thing.

01:10:11
Speaker 5: You're just like so good, it's a whole nother like so beautiful.

01:10:14
Speaker 2: It's beautredible.

01:10:15
Speaker 3: I know it's beautiful. Alan kind of awake tells Amy, this part's pretty good. She smiles. Yeah, those two are pretty great. Together, and then we see Feoenie and Eric, who has again tucked his head inside his turtleneck. His partner in crime, mister Foene, sits next to him in embarrassment. And that's our show.

01:10:33
Speaker 2: And that was another fifteen minutes, and one another fifteen minutes, Like I just wish we had another tag, like room for another tag. If we had cut that first scene, we would have had room for another tag and it could have just been split second one liners of you like throughout the night of the show. Do you know what I mean? Like if we just let the camera roll and they threw out jokes and let you do whatever you could, they could have had a whole like mash up of Eric one woman show beats. That would have been so funny.

01:10:59
Speaker 5: That was Michael though.

01:11:00
Speaker 4: Michael was like, the put the thing back up, and then I said, and he's like, now look at them, and so I was like, that's when I turn and look at them in the thing.

01:11:07
Speaker 5: And it was very fun less.

01:11:08
Speaker 2: You imagine if we had done just another like half hour of that, it would have been so exactly I want.

01:11:13
Speaker 1: To go back.

01:11:15
Speaker 3: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always. You can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World Show. You can send us your emails pod Meets Worldshow at gmail dot com. And we have.

01:11:25
Speaker 5: Merch Danielle and I will Never be movie stars March.

01:11:29
Speaker 3: God Meets Worldshow dot com. Please join us for our next episode, which is season four, episode twelve, Easy Street Now. This is episode four eleven on Disney Plus. They aired him out of order. We're going in DVD order, so you will watch four eleven if you're watching on Disney Plus. It originally aired December thirteenth, nineteen ninety six. Writer send us out.

01:11:51
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