Puppy Culture Potluck: Ep6 - Motion Sickness in Puppies

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I'm Jane Messineo Lindquist

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and this is a Puppy Culture

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Potluck podcast.

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You bring the topics,
we bring the conversation.

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So today's topic
is another perennial favorite,

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which is motion sickness,
car sickness in puppies.

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And I'm going to read you the post.

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This one came in on the From Newborn
to New Home discussion group.

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So this is a breeder writing in

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and she had a puppy owner
write to her and say:

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Wondering if you've had or know
if any of the puppies in the past

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have suffered from motion sickness
or anxiety when traveling in cars.

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Mickey is a star in every respect,
but he doesn't travel well.

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We would be glad of any pointers.

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Okay, so then I had several
follow up questions on that.

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And these are the things that I wanted to
know.

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Was the puppy fine with car rides
when he was with the breeder?

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When, when was the first time
that the breeder took him in the car

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for a car ride?

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When was the first time
she took the litter?

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Has this been a consistent problem
since they brought the puppy home?

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And how often do they
take the puppy in the car?

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Also, can you explain exactly

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what she means by doesn't
travel well, and,

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this is what the puppy owner wrote back.

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The day we collected him, we noticed

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he drooled excess saliva.

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We take him in the car
quite a bit and have experimented

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with front, back seats, soft crate

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and latest booster seat,

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always harnessed and strapped in
of course,

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we thought the dribble seemed
to be lessening, but the last two weekends

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during a fairly long drive, about an hour,
he actually spewed.

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Because he is little.

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we pick him up to go in the car.

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He has no choice and we cannot tell
if he actually wants to.

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Even a ten minute
drive will result in lots of saliva.

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I was wondering if it was anxiety,

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except he's actually such a confident pup.

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Nothing else fazes him.

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He doesn't startle at anything and
will investigate and go anywhere on lead.

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Big or little dogs, people.

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They are all his best friends.

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So we seem to be left with motion
sickness maybe.

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It will be dreadful for him
if he doesn't feel well traveling

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because we do and intend
to take him everywhere

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with us.

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So first of all, I'm going to say
this is car sickness, okay?

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This is not car anxiety yet,

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although we can create car anxiety

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if we continue to have the puppy feeling

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very bad in the car
so the two can go hand in hand.

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But the root cause of this is motion
sickness.

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So first let me talk about
why puppies have motion sickness,

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so you understand.

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Motion
sickness is actually an equilibrium thing.

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So when your inner ear

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perceives

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that you are standing still,
that you are still,

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but your eye sees motion
as in, you know, motion

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outside the window in a car
or even feels that jostling motion.

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But you're staying still.

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Your brain cannot reconcile
those two things

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and you get nauseous.

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Why do you get nauseous?

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Because from an evolutionary
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the most likely reason for you
to have that disconnect

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between what you're seeing
and what you're feeling is hallucination

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and the time when an animal in the wild

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would be hallucinating
is when they've eaten a toxin.

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And if you've eaten something poisonous,

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the first order of business for your body

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is to get it out of you by throwing up.

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So that's why you get motion sickness.
Okay.

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It's this disconnect between what
your inner ear is telling you.

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And when I say you,
I mean you or your puppy.

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What your inner ear is telling you
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your brain, that is actually happening.

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Now, motion sickness

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is more common in young animals,
puppies, children.

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And and the thought is that

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it's an immaturity of the inner ear.

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And it's either an immaturity or it's just

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that as as you get older,
the inner ear gets wiser.

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Right. It learns, oh, I get it.

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You know, this is the
we don't need to raise the alarm.

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We don't need to throw up over this.
We've seen this before.

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We've experienced this before.

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It's not it's
not what we think it is. Okay.

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So the good news is that

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in my experience
and the experience of even my friends

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that have dogs, that puppies
that are profoundly carsick,

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it's something that will resolve by around
two years of age.

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I'm just going to throw in
a personal story about this.

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I developed car sickness in late
middle age.

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I had never had any car sickness
or motion sickness,

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and all of a sudden
I couldn't read in the car.

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I it just shocked the daylights out of me.

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I just I would get in the car
and I'd feel nauseous

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and I didn't know what took me a long time
even to put two and two together,

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what the problem was.

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And it was that
I couldn't read in the car.

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But, you know, the more I thought about it

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and wondered why, all of a sudden
I was getting car sickness,

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I realized
I had started wearing reading glasses.

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So again, it changed my brain's picture
of what I was seeing.

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It added another layer of
I saw the page through or the screen

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through my glasses, and I saw something
not through my glasses plus the motion.

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And that was enough to hit me
with sickness.

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So, you know,
I just kept doing it and it went away.

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So again, even,
you know, as we as we get older,

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our brains can learn
and can change on the circumstances.

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So that's what it is.

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It's this imbalance. Okay.

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And the brain can be trained away from it

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so that the puppy no longer feels sick.

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And the way to do
it is to keep taking the puppy in the car.

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That having been said, it's
a little bit of a catch 22.

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Okay?

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Because if the experiences in
the car are bad, okay,

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if the puppy throws up every time it gets

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in the car, what you can wind up

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doing is getting a classically conditioned

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aversive response to the car.

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In other words,
if you've ever eaten something

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and then been sick afterwards, okay,

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you eat chocolate chip
cookies, your favorite food in the world.

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But then for whatever reason, you got
the flu, you threw up, you were sick.

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You remember how you couldn't touch
chocolate chip cookies for a long time?

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Just the smell made you feel nauseous.

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Condition food aversions are very strong.

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so the same thing with the puppies.

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If every time they get in that car,
they throw up.

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Even if the inner ear learns
that it's not a problem.

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So they're not the inner ear
isn't telling food to throw up anymore.

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They're going to have a classically
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to the car and just the smell of the car,
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the whole thing of the car
is going to make them throw up.

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Okay.

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So now we have to start
sort of sorting this out, right.

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And figuring out what our game plan

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is for making it as least bad

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as possible
for these puppies in that period of time

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where the inner ear is being trained
not to make them throw up.

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So, number one, how bad is it?

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I have not had those profoundly
car sick puppies.

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The puppies, and I can think of
two puppies in particular

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that did get car sick,

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it really was pretty mild and limited to

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when I would take a long trip
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They would throw up once.

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Okay, so and then I would just,
my strategy was just to have clean,

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you know, a plastic bag to put the dirty

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bedding in and clean bedding and,
you know, clean up the crate.

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And that was it, you know, it wasn't
it wasn't so significant

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that it colored the entire experience
for those puppies.

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So if that's your situation where it's
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and it doesn't seem to be

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affecting the dog, the dog is still happy
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I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about it.

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Now, Magda Chiarella,

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who breeds Norwich, has,
her genetically Norwich terriers,

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are very predispose to car sickness
and I'll say that to that,

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what you're always working against here
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the genetics of this are very strong.

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So say it's a genetic predisposition
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Bull terriers not genetically predisposed.

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Norwich terriers definitely predisposed.

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So she really has to go to a lot

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greater lengths
and has put a lot of thought into this.

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And in fact
I'm going to put up on the show page

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a link to an article that she wrote
that is fabulous, that has a whole punch

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list of things to do
If your dog has car sickness.

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So for her,
if you have a dog again, that's profoundly

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car sick, they,
she does a lot of conditioning

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with those puppies from a young age,
just putting them in the car

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and just letting them run around
and play in the car not moving.

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Okay.

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So you you know, you want to give
the puppy some good experiences

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just in the car, some really fun
experience just parked in the driveway.

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So the puppy doesn't think
every time it gets into the car

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that it's going to be,
you know, the bad thing.

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Second of all, according to Magda,

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the more you can play with

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that puppy and tire it out
and make it feel relaxed

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and not in any way
sort of high energy and antsy,

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that's going to help a lot.

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It's funny, she told me a story
that it's so profound that her instructor,

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her rally instructor, knows
when she's in a hurry to get to class

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because she hasn't had time to play with
and tire out her dog first.

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And the dog will show up,
like with stalactites of drool

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out the side of its mouth
from having to go in the car.

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So that's another thing.

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Tire your puppy out
before you bring them in the car.

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If it is going to be a long ride.

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Okay, If it's going to be an hour,

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you're going to want to medicate
that puppy with some Cerenia.

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It does work very well.

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And again, you don't want that puppy
trapped in there feeling bad

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for a long time.

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Cerenia is approved for animals

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and for motion sickness
and it is very effective.

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So if you are experiencing this
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on taking a long ride, definitely
you want to medicate that puppy.

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Because remember, our goal here is to keep

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the experiences as positive as possible.

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You're trying to outrun the inner ear
so the inner ear can mature and the puppy

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isn't learning through, through
conditioned responses to hate the car.

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So I would not hesitate to give medication
in that case.

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I mean, it goes without saying,
and I probably should have said it first.

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You don't want to give food or water
before the trip

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because you know, the less that's
in the stomach, the less it can come up.

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The exception to an empty stomach,
according to Magda, and again,

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I haven't had reason
to avail myself of this

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because my puppies don't get back
car sick.

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But she will give her puppies
a ginger cookie before riding in the car.

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And she has found that the ginger is,
it settles the stomach and it's sometimes

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you can experiment with it, sometimes
even better than a totally empty stomach.

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Another thing that

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can be helpful is getting fresh air

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into the cabin of the car.

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You know, you can experiment with a lot

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or a little of breeze, depending
on, you know, how your puppy reacts.

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But one tip I will give you is that
you need to open two windows, not one.

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And the reason is
if you only open one window,

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you'll get something called Helmholtz
Resonance.

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It's that thumping sound as as the air
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and it creates a pressure vacuum
kind of in the cabin of the car,

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which is not comfortable for the puppy
or anyone else.

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But puppies are going
to be more sensitive to it.

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So just balance, you know, open
more than one window and that that will

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balance the cabin pressure down
so that you don't get that thumping.

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Another thing again, that the poster
mentioned that they had done is locate

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the car seat in a place
that allows a view of the far horizon.

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So put it up higher.

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It's the same thing
like when you when you have

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seasickness
that if you can see the horizon, it's

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it sort of helps your your brain reconcile
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Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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This is something
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which is to avoid any products or foods
with strong smells in the car,

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which again, can signal to the brain
poison, toxins, anything very strong.

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So you want to just keep everything,
you know, sounds low key,

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the smells low key as much as possible.

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As much as possible?

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You want the drive to be smooth, so

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try and avoid bumpy roads

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if you have to take a little longer way,
but it's a highway and it's smooth.

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Try that.

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You know, fast stops, turns.

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Just really try and be considerate
of slowing, slowing down.

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You know,
none of this is going to be magic for you.

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I'm just saying, except maybe the Cerenia.

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But again,
we're just trying to balance out

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that that experience so it stays positive.

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Now, as a breeder, I,

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the two puppies that I had that got
car sickness were not ones that I bred.

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There were puppies that I purchased.

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in the car
starting as young as four weeks old.

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I do just take,
put them in in a crate in the car,

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take them to the end of the driveway and
back even just around the block sometimes.

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I know that Pat Hastings used to say
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car sickness in puppies
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before six weeks old.

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And I think for most breeds,
that's probably a good rule of thumb.

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I do think, again, it's a very strong
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So it's not a fool, as foolproof
let's say, as Pat said it is,

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but without a doubt, it's
never a bad thing, right.

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It's always going to make it better
to start training that inner ear earlier.

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So it's a positive thing, you breeders,
to get those puppies into the car

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as soon as possible
and as often as possible.

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So again, to sum it all up,
there are two processes

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that we have to regulate here.

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One is the education of the inner ear.

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It's teaching the inner ear
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You don't have to throw up,
you're not hallucinating,

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you haven't eaten anything toxic
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Generally speaking, by two years old,

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if you've handled everything else right,
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puppies have grown and matured
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you also have to manage
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So you have to do whatever it takes
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or not terrible as possible.

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And you do that two ways.

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You physically prepare the puppy
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You give them medication.

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that's on the side of preparation
to to minimize the nausea that they feel.

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And you also give the puppy experiences
where they don't get sick in the car.

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You bring the puppy in the car
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still in the driveway.

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You roll it just to the end
of the driveway, whatever it takes

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so that the puppy can stay under threshold
and not be sick,

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but be in the car
and have a positive experience.

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That's what you want to see.

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