Another offer for Cody Bellinger? Red Sox aggressive offer to Alex Bregman? Framber or Ranger to Mets?

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Speaker 1: Grats. You know what I forgot to say yesterday to a.

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Speaker 2: J Happy New Year. You know, I'm okay with it right now.

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Speaker 3: It's still okay because you know what, I was gone for a while, Okay, so now you know it hasn't really hit me yet. You have to the end of the week, so get all your happy New Year's in them. After Friday, it's all.

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Speaker 1: Over of the week.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you the end of the week because there's people I haven't seen. I'm still jet lagged. No, I don't really gidget like j N. I can sleep anywhere. Huh.

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Speaker 1: We're good till January ninth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I didn't get back till the fourth, so you see.

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Speaker 4: The fifth Monday, yesterday was the first day for some were Friday.

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Speaker 3: And I haven't seen everybody, and I haven't talked to a lot of people. So now I'm running into people that I hadn't seen. So now it's still Hey, Happy New Year. I hope your New Year's going well. I hope you had good holidays, Merry Christmas, all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: Let's rewind the tape. Let's rewind the tape and see if twenty twenty five AJ was feeling the same way Tanzania might have all that all that elevation change.

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Speaker 3: I think might have.

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Speaker 2: Loosened you up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I'll just think, you know, it's it's I'm okay with it. Still, it's still in the Happy New Year. We got till Friday Friday.

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Speaker 2: Ship's over.

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Speaker 1: Yeap. We caught a year where it.

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Speaker 2: Just lined up right.

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Speaker 3: If it would be if January second, then you would have had till the end of that Friday, which would have been like the sixth.

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Speaker 2: That would have been got looky, got till the night.

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Speaker 4: Wow, this is like Groundhog's Day when you get up and you're like, oh, Perzinski says, Friday Jen nine, this is gonna be a good year.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six is going to be a good year.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm already behind New Year.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm already behind on my Christmas shopping because of how the year ended and the ninth Now I can say Happy New Year's now, I got time.

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Speaker 2: Just aj just put a lot on me. I gotta I gotta take a break.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, while you do that, there's one other thing I want to throw out there before we begin with news. I just want to keep reminding everyone what we're doing in a few weeks. BBWAA Award to Gala includes show Hey Otani, Aaron Judge, Trek Scoogle, Paul Skens, and many more. On the day is accepting their awards that they won. Those announcements were in November, but the big part of what happens here is when they show up, they take the photos with the awards and we'll talk to whoever wants to talk to us. Last time, we spoke to most award winners and we will certainly send out those requests and ask them or AJ will just go up to them Saturday, January twenty fourth. We'll give you more details as we get closer, and you can still get tickets online too if you're trying to go in person. Oh one other announcement please before we begin. So we have four guests today and one of our guests is going to be former angel Mark Trumbo. Do you guys know why Trumbo's joining us today?

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Speaker 2: I do yes, because we have Halo Territory.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for Mark Trumbo because I have a story that I want to ask him about. Okay, I hope he remembers it because I have. He probably won't remember it, but it was It was one of those stories that people will think, oh, that's kind of a dumb story, but for a former catcher, it was kind of a funny story.

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Speaker 4: He's pretty sharp. I mean, I to the first show, so I think he might remember it. It sounds like he's the kind of guy that remembers the specific at bat from the random day in the random game.

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Speaker 1: So maybe he does remember it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you'll probably remember this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we'll talk to him later.

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Speaker 5: You said, if you hate the Angels, you can follow. What if the angels hate you, is AJ allowed to follow?

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Speaker 1: Yes, still can follow.

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Speaker 4: Many angels fans still hate me, And I'm all over that show I'm watching.

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Speaker 1: I'm listening. So you can't slap us. You can't. You can't fight love. Love always wins. Kratz. Let's charge.

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Speaker 3: Let's charge.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna start with rumors, since there were no signings over the past twenty four hours, so I think this is the next signing that happens. We learned from the New York Post that there has now been a second offer made to Cody Bollinger from the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: What are we looking for?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the number is, but a second offer to Belly. Sometimes, you know, teams negotiate against themselves.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they are, but.

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Speaker 4: It does appear as if the Yankees want him more than anyone else.

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Speaker 2: Well, he fits the most with the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I mean he was there, he proved he could play there, his dad was a Yankee.

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Speaker 2: It makes total sense.

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Speaker 1: They need to be more athletic.

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Speaker 3: Right, he fits that Bill. You can play first, he can play the outfield of Grisham. Doesn't have a year that Grisham had last year, right, I mean he fits perfectly. They lost They obviously lost gold Schmitt. So you need someone to play first, Ben Rice or him or whoever it is.

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna give Rice every day at first, or as much as possible.

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Speaker 1: They know where's Bellinger playing outfield?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: So left? Yeah, because Christians and center judge isn't right. So then what do you do with Domingo?

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Speaker 4: Well, Domingos or Jones could get traded, you know what, I would. Here's my thing about how I trade one of them for a picture.

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Speaker 2: I would too, But who do we have on yesterday? Chris Kershner and what he say?

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Speaker 3: They're not trading him and if they trade, especially Domingas, if they trade Domingo's people will be up in arms about.

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Speaker 1: It, would they?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think because he's been so hyped for so long, he's still only twenty two years old, Yankees would be hesitant to trade him because God forbid if he went somewhere else and they let him play a different position or figured out something because he was not good in leftfield.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he wasn't right.

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Speaker 3: But if they put him in center, where he came up playing and he actually became something.

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Speaker 2: The Nike fans would be like.

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Speaker 3: Why did you trade him? You know? So I don't know. And Spencer Jones has kind of lost a little bit of his prospect cloud. He hasn't even come up yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but his strikeout numbers are so outrageous.

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Speaker 1: That struck out a lot.

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Speaker 4: Not like this, but remember Judge's first what month or two in the bigs and he just struck out half the time. And then people were like, I don't know, this guy's too big and blah blah blah, he's not going to be able to Now he's all consistent contact and now he's a Hall of Famer. So, yeah, krats if it's me, I'm trading I'm signed Belly and I'm trading Domingez for a pitcher like Edward Cabrera.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go on a limb here and tell me if you guys agree with me or not. Cody Bellinger isn't just the best fit for the Yankees. He might be the best value out there on the market. He's the guy that you can plug in at center field, left field, first base, and I think there's a lot of teams that need athleticism. They want a left handed hitter. I think he offers more than the other guys that are out there on the market. Is Kyle Tucker a better offensive piece, Yeah, I would agree with that, But Cody.

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Speaker 2: Bellinger is.

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Speaker 5: I think, yes, we're saying it's the Yankees, and yes, I think he will sign with the Yankees because I think they will get the last offer. I don't like the wording of second offer out like it sounds like they made one offer and then we don't hear anything from Cody and then there's another offer. To me, it should be a counter offer, would be the wording. If Cody's like, no, this is what I want, Yankee say, Okay, well this is where we're gonna go ahead and do. But to me, I just I think it's it's the Yankees or nothing. But I also think other teams should be in on Cody. He's proven that he settled into his big league career after that tough front shoulder when you swing injury that he sustained in the twenty twenty World Series.

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Speaker 4: He is going to get less than Kyle Tucker, although I can't say that for sure. The Kyle Talker Coucker market that's been pretty mysterious, but at least in terms of the ask, right, if I had to guess what the goal is for each player, they're very far away. Right, You would think heading into the offseason, Kyle Tucker's camp is like, we're getting three fifty four hundred million, Beller camp a million right in Bellinger's camps like we're getting one fifty to two hundred, and we'd be thrilled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's half. Yeah, So that's.

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Speaker 3: Where right now. I mean, you know, Cody Bellinger might figure it out, but right now, it looks like neither one of them is going to get close to that.

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Speaker 2: From the numbers we're hearing.

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Speaker 3: We don't know, I mean, we don't ever know, But like the way teams are talking and the way these insiders, the so called insiders are saying, doesn't seem like either one of them is going to get close to Maybe Cody Bellinger gets a little closer to one fifty ish, you.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to know, my guess.

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Speaker 4: So I think that the Yankees have a number on Bellinger over a certain amount of years, and then they're going to do the DJ lemayhew and add a year or two to make it work for luxury tax purposes, because hol and many others are sick of giving all the money to the same few teams that don't spend it. So let's say in their mind it's one fifty or let's even just say one eighty six one. They're going to try and throw like eight one eighty at him, Like, dude, you'll be at the end of your career anyway. Sometimes you do buy out at that point, right, Can we do eight one eighty so that it stretches the number out? So that's what I think is going on right now, and they're going back and forth about it.

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Speaker 2: And he does he really fit anywhere else?

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, he fits in many other spots, but.

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Speaker 2: He's the one guy the Yankees need. Like that, he seems like he's a perfect fit in the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: I agree, like Wan Soda was that one year and he got traded over there.

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Speaker 2: He was like the perfect fit.

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Speaker 3: Cody Bellinger after especially after what he did last year, just seems like a really good fit with the Yankees.

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Speaker 4: I think the Yankees might to get going with the rest of their plans krat So. I think they're trying to get this done this week. So I think this is the next shoot a drop.

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Speaker 2: Who do they turn to? Who do they turn to if they don't get Cody?

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Speaker 5: And that's why I think Cody's biggest bargaining chip is other than the fact that I think he fits on I believe he fits on so many other teams that I think he will have other options. But who do the Yankees pivot to if they don't get Cody Bellinger? I mean, Aaron Boone said the other day, we love our roster, We really love her. Okay, you loved your roster with the best year ever from Trent Grisham. You love your roster with the fact that Cody Bellinger was giving a little bit of protection to Aaron Judge who had one of his best years ever. Ben Rice, is he going to do exactly like you do? Have to bring somebody in because if you don't sign Cody, you have to replace that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Remember at some point when someone threw out there Kyle Tucker as the backup plan, I'm like, WHOA, that's a tough backup plan.

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Speaker 1: That's a much point.

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Speaker 4: You can't figure out numbers with Cody, but then you're going to figure out numbers with Kyle. I mean, let's bring in Ken right now to talk about it. First, Let's get FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal's take on this. Ken, your thoughts on Cody Bellinger and the Yankees as a fit and maybe as something that could happen soon so that the Yankees can get going with the rest of their off season.

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Speaker 6: I don't know about soon. I never kind of predict timelines, especially with Scott wors clients, because Scott Warris is not afraid to drag this thing out. He will act when he thinks it is appropriate. And certainly it could happen this week or at anytime. And I appreciate what you're saying, Scott about the Yankees getting on with the rest of their offseason, But I kind of go back to what Eric was just saying there about what's their alternative? And I think Aj mentioned this too, that to me is the real question. They can trade for a starting pitcher, they can work on the bullpen and do all those things regardless of what happens with Bellinger, whether it's this week or three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Down the line.

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Speaker 6: But my question is, if not Bellinger, what's the offensive player you're going to get to replace him.

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Speaker 1: Or who is that player?

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Speaker 6: And I don't know the answer to that. Kyle Tucker, as you guys just mentioned, is a much more expensive. Most likely addition, Bobashett is not really a fit with their roster. Bregman is not really a fit with their roster.

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Speaker 2: So who is that.

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Speaker 6: Hitter if not Bellinger? Now, things happen in the offseason and at the deadline all the time that surprise us that we don't see coming because teams have other moves planned. Let's say the Yankees, for instance, can find a spot for Jash Chisholm and they want to play Bishette at second. Okay, that's one scenario, and it's one of one hundred in all of these circumstances. So I don't know exactly what's going through the minds of the Yankees, But your general premise, the premise of everybody on the panel this morning, is Hey, if not Cody, then who And that to me is a very fair question.

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Speaker 5: Just can you clarify something with the wording it said second offer was made to Cody Bellinger? Does that mean it was a counteroffer? Does that mean it was Cody said, Okay, I take your first offer, this is what we want. Here comes our counteroffer. Or is this a second offer because he didn't respond because he changed his phone number on the first offer.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Eric, and that's a very fair question. Certainly, it's one of two things. Right as you just laid out. It's either Boris countered and the Yankees came back with something else, or the Yankees simply increased their initial offer, And either way there's still not there. There's still not at a point where Boris at this point of the off season January sixth, is ready to take whatever the Yankees have offered. Now, the clock is running and it's got another month or so to go before teams start getting together for spring training. We're not an urgent point in these talks with any of these players. There's no deadline in the offseason, as we've discussed many times before. But this whole scenario, and it's not just Bellinger, it's Bellinger, Bregman, Boschett, Tucker. They're all intertwined in many ways because many of the same teams are involved with these players. And it just seems that it's one big stalemate right now, a stalemate that can break at any time but hasn't yet.

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Speaker 4: A couple of little moves over the past twenty four hours, Big Christmas is headed to Baltimore. John Kenzi Noel is claimed off waivers from the Cleveland Guardians, so the Orioles have more pop.

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Speaker 1: Got to make the team too great. Nickname Big Dude up a good point.

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Speaker 3: If he was placed on if he was designated for simon December seventeenth, Was he on waivers for like a month? Because I thought it was ten days, seven days, ten days, whatever it is. I don't know. You could be on waivers for two months.

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Speaker 4: There's some freeze, maybe during the Christmas time to New Year's maybe not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: People say people will say who cares, even to the point where the Players Association will say, ah, who cares? You know why they say that because that crap never happened to them. You're sitting there like, I don't know where I'm going. It's a little different in the offseason. You're like, ah, you know whatever, it's no big deal. It's a big deal because there's an assimilation process. There's an opportunity for players and teams love this kind of stuff. They love to be able to kind of, you know, have opportunities pick guys up at any time. And so anytime you're just like drawling this stuff out, it matters to players less in the off season. Nothing's changing for him, but it's still that sucks over Chris, Big Christmas didn't even get to celebrate Christmas because he's like, am I going to be a.

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Speaker 2: Minor league free agent?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: I'm not? I don't know, Happy New Year, Still know nothing.

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Speaker 5: It's usually ten days, so ten days kind of stretched out to like twenty.

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Speaker 4: I try to represent the fan voice. If this is during the season, I get it. In the off season, you're not going anywhere this second.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it still matters for where you have to get placed in spring training. There's a lot like that's where the average fan doesn't understand if the board is still available right now. Yeah, but those guys are going to get millions of dollars, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The difference is Big Christmas is not yeah, right, So she has to figure out, Okay, there's a huge difference from Cleveland spring training in Arizona to Baltimore spring training in Sarasota.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also there's a huge team.

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Speaker 3: There and then a team and then you got to get to see new people. So if he would have cleared waivers and he was just a free agent. Then he could have gone and said, okay, well I get to pick the team that I think I have the best chance to make the team off with his agent there. But now since he's claimed by the Orioles and it took so long, or maybe it didn't, they just didn't announce it. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is strange to me. But it does matter.

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Speaker 3: That's why, like when you're like, oh, as a fan, it doesn't matter, it matters. It would be like any person out there at their job, their job said you know what, we're firing. Okay, you have ten days and you can't do anything. For those ten days. You can't look for a job, you can't do anything. And then at the end of the ten days, say you work for AT and T and T mobile calls and they're like, oh, we're going to hire you. Right, Well, that is that a difference. And oh and by the way, you have to move across the country, right so yes, and you're not rich.

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Speaker 4: That's the big part too, is you can't pay your way out of the problem like he might.

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Speaker 1: He was optioned twice last year.

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Speaker 4: He might not be in the big league this year, Right, he had a bad year after twenty twenty four seventy seventy four oks. He was four eighty and sixty nine games this past season. Minor leaguers are not rich. Okay, we can talk player salaries all day. Minor leaguers are not rich. So it's not like he can just find.

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Speaker 3: Even listen, even zero to three guys. Listen, seven fifty is the minimum, yeah, which is a ton of money. Sure, do not get me wrong, Okay, and but but let's think about it. If you don't make it to arbitration and you're a zero to three guy and you make seven to fifty for two years and then you get something happens, you don't make it, okay, one point five million, then you're done playing your sport.

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Speaker 1: And then cut that in half.

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Speaker 3: It cut the half because and everything else. But like then you have to find a job, like a real job, because you haven't made enough to cover your life. Right, So, I mean there's a lot and that's I don't know. Listen, I understand that money is more money than most people ever make in their lifetime, like in one year, but it's you have as a as a as an athlete, you have a small window to make your life's money right.

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Speaker 2: So that that's.

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Speaker 3: Why when you're having to and I've been listening, I've been DFA in the middle of a season. Crats, you've been dfade in the middle of a season. You just sit there. I remember when I did what happened to me. I just sat there and I was like, oh man, I got ten days to do nothing right. You can't do it anything. You know, no one's gonna pick me. No one was gonna pick me up. I wasn't making too much money, so I I went on a road trip with my family.

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Speaker 1: Well you got that fun with it, but yes, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just listen.

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Speaker 3: It couldn't have better listen. It was twenty fourteen. I got dfa'ed by the Red Sox. It just so happened. It was right when the Hall of Fame induction in Cooperstown was happening, and Frank Thomas had invited my family, so they were already going. So we rented an RV and drove from Orlando to Cooperstown with another family he was also invited, made stops along the way. I sent some videos of my agent and me taking soft toss, like on a on a with a beer in my hand, taking soft toss right because then I was in Cooperstown and it just happened to work out. It was Frank's induction and the whole thing, and then I signed with the Cardinals. But like you know, the time for me worked out, But like for one of these guys, and plus I had already bad ten years and had a lot of money. Luckily enough, stansked away. But like, this is not a thing that most guys, it's hard. Scratched it out way more time, so it's way harder.

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Speaker 4: So let's start with ESPN's buster only saying it seems inevitable that the Mets will sign one of from Rivaldez or Ranger Suarez as they continue to explore the starting pitching market.

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Speaker 1: You know, I find this interesting.

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Speaker 2: They can have signed for one year or two years because that's David Sterns m O.

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Speaker 4: Or are they giving in and signing to longer term deals. I think I don't think one or two. I mean Sean and I are signed for three. So is that the biggest he's given out since he took over? Am I missing anyone?

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Speaker 5: He's never given out more? With the Brewers, even I mean he gave he gave out extensions to young pitchers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Freddy p But that doesn't count.

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Speaker 4: So for free agents, Manaiah was the biggest one three years seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Mili maybe that.

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Speaker 5: Framber Framber three years, three years eighty five?

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Speaker 2: Does he do it?

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Speaker 1: Tell me what else is out there.

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Speaker 2: He's not getting? Is Framber getting thirty anywhere else?

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Speaker 4: I think Framber's at the age where he's looking for the biggest guarantee because he might have to take a deal where it's got opt outs and he hops back into the market. But if you're Framber, in fairness, you're looking around, like what else do I have to prove on the field, just you know, performance wise, statistics wise, I think.

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Speaker 1: Framber's what thirty two years old.

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Speaker 4: It's one thing if you're taking your first crack a free agency like here, I'll give you the example Michael King coming off injury makes sense, right, you might end up being just a one year to twenty two ish million with the padres and some of that's deferred, I think, and then he hops back into the market. Zach Allen might have to do that based off the year that he just came off of. If you're Framber Valdez, You're like, I've been consistent as hell in terms of putting up my overall numbers. I mean, yes, he goes through is really hot and cold time during the season, but.

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Speaker 2: When he's good, he's really good.

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Speaker 1: But like, look a look at his numbers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, sure, he tailed up a little bit toe it's the end of this past season, but you're looking at a pretty consistent thirty ish starts for the past four years, racking close to two hundred innings, and when you get to the end of the season, the numbers are pretty close, so you wouldn't think he would need to do something like that. But I just don't know who the big spenders are right now in the marketplace for this kind of pitching talent. Do you It seems like a lot of those teams are trade front, right. Yankees have a lot of money, But are they spending it on either of these guys or are they trying to trade for Edward Cabrera or Freddy Peralte Orioles are definitely in play. They've been linked to Rangers Suarez for ten years now and it hasn't happened yet, But I think it's.

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Speaker 1: Still could Braves.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if the Braves are going to spend like that. I think they're more hanging around in case the trade market opens. I don't know, maybe they would spend.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm just throwing teams out there, what teams, and I'm throwing team names out.

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Speaker 1: There, mets in the Oriols.

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Speaker 3: The question for me is why did the Astros not want to back They signed am I to a three year.

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Speaker 4: Was eighteen, it's gonna be three sixty three or one year twenty something and then back to the free agent market. But yes, they did that, they added who else am I missing that they added?

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Speaker 1: Not Weiss? I know they added him too.

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Speaker 4: They added a trade but they got Mike Burrows, who obviously has cost nothing. He's a league minimum. But why didn't they want him back? Frambaldez isn't interesting.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just a question. I don't I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think we need to beat around the bush like he had a massive incident this past year. It's massive, right, everybody looked at that and said that's insane. He had to go to the GM meetings and they made a whole video and then teams decide for themselves.

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Speaker 1: But like we said when this happened. Some owners are human beings.

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Speaker 4: They see this stuff just like they get excited when they watch the playoffs and their team's not in it and they see a guy shine and then they're like, I want that guy.

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Speaker 1: They watched that incident.

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Speaker 4: It goes viral and they're like, ah, I don't want that guy, even if he's good.

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Speaker 3: That is just wanted too much money. Scott, why do you always get to go there?

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Speaker 1: I'm not always good there? But also Dylan C.

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Speaker 4: Scott two ten or if you want to get the net present value, it's still high one hundreds.

00:24:06
Speaker 1: And then the rest of the.

00:24:07
Speaker 4: Markets are, oh, well, I put up numbers like that, like Valdez has put up numbers like that. But teams say, I like seas Beetter, So we don't think that you're worth the one eighty five or whatever.

00:24:16
Speaker 1: The number is, right giants, maybe.

00:24:18
Speaker 4: Nah, they're not spending like that. They said it, and they they went Molly and Adrian.

00:24:23
Speaker 2: Hauser just don't you ask for teams that could do it?

00:24:27
Speaker 1: Orioles Mets they both want to buy starters.

00:24:30
Speaker 2: But okay, then where does Ranger and from or end up?

00:24:33
Speaker 3: When it ends up at one place.

00:24:34
Speaker 4: The other one is ranger to the Orioles, Framber to the Mets. But I'm with Kratz here. I do think he's going to end up getting a deal that's like three years eighty five with an opt out after year one and a high aav in year one, which is like thirty million dollars or thirty five million dollars.

00:24:50
Speaker 2: I have it for you.

00:24:51
Speaker 5: I think if he gets if he gets five years, one twenty from the Orioles or three years, I'll even say ninety just for easy math. One is twenty four a year for five years, the other one's thirty and he gets to hit the hit the open market again. I mean a year, three year, third ninety million dollar deal. He's gonna have an opt out after the first year. But which does he take. He's thirty two years old. A five year deal puts him at thirty seven. Twenty four a year doesn't put him up there with what you know, with what Dylan s Scott thirty a year per year. Now you're talking the same, you know, more of the same realm.

00:25:38
Speaker 1: It's a great question. You guys are players. What would you guys do?

00:25:42
Speaker 2: Depends where he's got this.

00:25:44
Speaker 1: I take the one twenty.

00:25:45
Speaker 2: I take you one twenty.

00:25:46
Speaker 4: But yeah, take that as my big deal and call it. I don't know what the next year. You know what the next year might look like a disaster because you're also going up against the CBA. Yes, So for me, I'm taking the largest guarantee. If it's that different. If you're saying ninety versus one hundred, maybe that's different. But if you're saying ninety verses one twenty, there's a thirty million dollar guarantee difference.

00:26:07
Speaker 1: I'm setting in the one twenty.

00:26:08
Speaker 5: So then who's making out? Who's making out in both those cases? In my opinion, it's ownership. There's no such thing as a bad one year deal. And if you only have him for three years and he flops after the first year, you know what, we spent less than one hundred million dollars. So to me, either one of those scenarios because of how things have been swinged swung in the media and how they've been like put out there about Valdez, because Scott you even did it.

00:26:37
Speaker 2: You went, you were like, who doesn't like this guy? Who doesn't well?

00:26:41
Speaker 5: And then two minutes later you're like, remember that one thing that was out there. Like Jim Bowden said, this guy's work on the field should stand for itself. You have an opportunity to converse with this guy about what has happened, not just that incident, but you know other instances. I just I just think it's a I think it's too much swinging in the wrong direction. If this is how players always have to go into their first year free agency.

00:27:11
Speaker 2: Look at Boris's clients. They've gotten paid.

00:27:14
Speaker 5: But unfortunately, what if one of these guys gets hurt. Now they're not getting paid. I mean, it worked out for Chapman, it's most likely going to work out for Bregman. Like they're getting these contracts that they should have gotten their first year. It's another way of ownership saying you made it to free agency, we're still going to stick it to you for one more year.

00:27:32
Speaker 4: And just to clarify a long comber, he's not a Boris client, Pete Alonzo for sure. Well I'll give you how that works too. Some of some of these guys are getting attached to qualifying offers and teams hold that against you way too much. But that but that goes into a bigger conversation that we talk about and almost no one else does.

00:27:50
Speaker 1: The CBA.

00:27:52
Speaker 4: They're like, hey, make sure you hold these dudes to the fire with their qualifying offer because.

00:27:56
Speaker 3: I don't understand why. I mean, I understand why teams say the qualifying offer because you get a draft pick, but how many I would love to see a stat on these draft picks that actually turn into bona fide frown ber Vell does all star type World series winning, no hit or throwing players.

00:28:15
Speaker 1: Some do, some don't.

00:28:16
Speaker 3: But that's the thing, just so I get more money, but they in the draft that I can. Then then then GM can screw up.

00:28:23
Speaker 1: It's worth so much and we're going to hold it against.

00:28:26
Speaker 3: Fake money, like I'd rather have the good player, so would many, but there are some that hold them up against that.

00:28:33
Speaker 4: But the point right now is who are the teams on the market that are actually thinking about spending one hundred plus million dollars on a free agent starter? And do they think that guy is the perfect fit. I mean, I'm still shocked about of my I think I'm the high guy out of mine. I think he's going to be a stud, but maybe I'm wrong. Other teams clearly thought he's going to be a four or five or maybe not even be a starter.

00:28:54
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what was spoken there. I mean he's got he's got.

00:28:57
Speaker 4: Innings markers to hit that are like basically start games and you'll hit the markers eighty ninety and one hundred. So I mean to me, he's gonna hit the market again after this year. But for these guys, clearly, there's some teams that are like, I don't see it for Fromber, like I like the Blue Jay, saw it for Dylan Cees. And I do think Ranger Suarez will get a nice contract. But we've talked about this. He's had some injuries and stuff. He's not the perfect free agent starter available. He's gonna get paid as young, yeah, And some teams would say, hey, he's had some injuries early on in his career.

00:29:29
Speaker 1: The mileage on.

00:29:30
Speaker 4: The arm is less. You can paint it however you want to paint it. That's always the bolt, right. You can say, oh, he's had a few injuries, but you can also say, Okay, he's had less mileage on the arm. Remember, like he goes back to what we always say. James Shields pitched a billion innings every year until he didn't.

00:29:46
Speaker 2: Listen always goes back to this.

00:29:47
Speaker 3: More teams almost talk to them to try to talk themselves out of signing the free agent, instead of saying, man, this guy could really help us even on a short term deal. Let's throw a one year deal, you know, with an opt out or whatever, like they Red Sox did with Alex Bregman. It's just so much, so much, always Oh now, they're always looking for the negatives because when they're negotiating, that's what they're using with the agents.

00:30:10
Speaker 1: Well, they always the same formulas now too.

00:30:13
Speaker 2: Exactly.

00:30:13
Speaker 3: Remember Rob Manford just did a thing where all the minor league information has to be together same. Do you think the teams don't talk about therefore, I'm not saying they talk about players, but you don't think they all because look at the front office movement this year from the Red Sox from the Cubs, from this team, from that team to the new you don't think that they bring their formulas that they just learned with the old team.

00:30:36
Speaker 4: Over most teams have the same shit too. There's like a few slight differences.

00:30:40
Speaker 3: So Bony came from where Boston, so he's gonna use the same formula that the Red Sox used for years. Hein Bloom came from Tampa, and then he went to Boston and then he went now he's in Saint Louis. They're all they're all using the same little formula, whatever it is, because they're all intertwined throughout the league because of the trees.

00:30:57
Speaker 4: And then you know what happens last year. And I talked about this the other day. Eventually a phone call is made to Red Sox owner John Henry and they're like, hey, dude, I know that your projection model says this is the contract. It's not going to get him, and he's about to sign with the Tigers. Do you actually want the player? You have to go to this number. And then he's like okay, and then that's what happened. So then you throw everything out the windows. That's a real story.

00:31:19
Speaker 2: That's how it works.

00:31:20
Speaker 5: And you said before, Scott, you were like, the qualifying offer is connected and and AJ was asking how many what percentage do you guys think of first rounders because you.

00:31:31
Speaker 2: Don't even get it.

00:31:32
Speaker 5: You don't necessarily get a pick depending on what the team is, but first rounders that make the big leagues just make.

00:31:37
Speaker 2: The big leagues.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I have no idea sixty.

00:31:42
Speaker 5: Six percent, sixty six percent. So you have this on one side, you have fran Boon Valdez, Ranger Suarez will start a playoff game for you. Ask the Tigers how close they were to make it to the next round, making it to the World Series one ex pitcher? Would that have done it for him? To this side, you say sixty six percent chance of you know what, a guy could make the big leagues. It's not even like you're talking about in this hand. The qualifying offer is getting you a superstar. It's getting somebody who has a sixty six percent chance of making the big leagues. If you're only basing it on numbers, why would you not take what's rate in front of you. If you're a team that says, ah, man, we're so close, the Tigers, the Mariners, the like teams that are so close. If you can add a player for a specific locked in amount of money, why would you not make that move because it inhibits your job? Like it makes you look like, ooh, you know what, this could keep my job for a longer time. Like the qualifying offer is crazy to me. It's crazy to me talking about a kid that's in college right now or high school right now is a possibility of making the big leagues in five years.

00:32:57
Speaker 1: What where the hell are the club?

00:33:00
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly what Wait what who has a sixty six percent chance?

00:33:04
Speaker 1: He's saying, first round pick? If you get sixty six all.

00:33:09
Speaker 3: First round picks have a sixty six percent chance just to make it.

00:33:12
Speaker 5: The thing that, yeah, the thing that I looked up says sixty six percent of first rounders make it to play at least one game in the big leagues.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to point this out quick, but.

00:33:24
Speaker 3: I mean I look at it. I mean I played just a lot of guys that were for high first round picks and this and that and their careers. Yeah, they made the big leagues. I used Josh Booty. There's a guy named Josh Boody. He was like the tenth overall pick. He got like a cup of coffee because he was only because he was a first round pick. And they're like, well, we have to validate the first round pick. Yep, right, Like, there was a lot of guys that you know, first I mean I played with with and against a lot of first round picks that only made it because they made make the organization oh, we got this one right. He's in the big leagues because he was a first round pick.

00:33:56
Speaker 1: Yeah. Impact, first round is a very small person.

00:33:59
Speaker 3: I mean impact, and it goes down as you go down in the rounds, clearly. But yeah, it's just the qualifying offer to me.

00:34:07
Speaker 2: Is just.

00:34:11
Speaker 3: Draft we overvalue because there's teams I'll use the Dodgers. The Dodgers pick at the bottom of the first round, they go sign They give up draft picks all the time, and you know what they still do. They still develop guys that they can trade away and make up they can player. You know why, because it's development. It's not always about where you draft. It's about who you draft and how you develop. I'm with you, I mean because nowadays the draft, the first pick in the draft ain't always the best player either, because teams have slots don't make It's crazy because.

00:34:42
Speaker 2: I went I just went through with my son.

00:34:44
Speaker 3: Not my son getting drafted, but teams calling and other kids on his high school team that were one was drafted, a couple of could have been drafted, but they're like, hey, we'll draft you if you'll sign for X, y Z, and like the higher you get in the draft, like They want to know if they're if they're using a top three round pick on you, that you're gonna sign. Hey, don't, don't Whoever who had the first pick this year the Rockies, No, who was it? I forget who whoever had the first pick this year?

00:35:13
Speaker 2: They called whoever they they.

00:35:14
Speaker 3: Drafted and they're like, hey, can we get you instead of the slot being nine million dollars the Gnats, right, the slot.

00:35:21
Speaker 2: Let's say the slot was ten million this year.

00:35:22
Speaker 1: And that's just did this. By the way, this is the perfect example the Nets.

00:35:25
Speaker 3: That's what it's all like. They didn't take They called it the top ten prospects and said, hey, will you signed for seven instead of ten, so that way we can save the three million for later. And whoever said yes, that was who they drafted for.

00:35:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got Eli Willitts. They got will There were other phone calls made. Well, yeah, the dream scenario, it's not the dream. But the Pirates picked Henry Davis. He took underslot as a one to one and then they they luckily saved face by getting Bubba Chandler later on.

00:35:55
Speaker 3: Well, my question is is baseball the only spot with this matters where what matters? Slot value who you picked, because if you go in football, they picked the best player.

00:36:06
Speaker 1: Draft is fucked.

00:36:07
Speaker 3: It's right, okay, so then let's then let's go u NBA. They usually picked the best player, right, Yes.

00:36:14
Speaker 1: Do you know why this is all created like this?

00:36:16
Speaker 4: It's because we have this annoying cap system in the draft and that's why it's not popular and in the mainstream, and no one understands how it all works. And they're like, wait, the best player didn't go one, two, three, four or five. The best player went seven. It's I can go all day on that, but that is a thing. Let's get to one more rumor. Back to Buster Only's report on the Red Sox making an aggressive offer for Alex Bregman.

00:36:40
Speaker 1: Can we show this tweet?

00:36:41
Speaker 4: Our friend Jared Krabas commented on this in the morning, So Tyler Milliken put out this tweet to summarize what buster only said aggressive offer for Bregman today. He says they've signaled a willingness to pay him big money, maybe something in the range of six years, one seventy one point five million crabs. If this is real and Bragman hasn't accepted it yet, then what the fuck are we doing here. I'm with Jared here, that's a very healthy offer to Alex Bragman. I still have this lingering question in my mind, is Arizona more involved than we think? And does Alex have an inclination to maybe end up there, to be there full time and do the Corbyn Burns kind of situation right, like if the money's close from Arizona. No, you don't think there's any factor there. And you guys are the players. You tell me tax Arizona taxes living there year round. It's an appealing place and it's also it's not a bad team, it's a good franchise. Yeah, you don't think that's a factor here like that they're still dancing around and the numbers are close. No, because otherwise, like Jared said, like what are we waiting for here? That seems like a very healthy offer. Is he getting more than that? I don't think he's getting two hundred million dollars?

00:37:55
Speaker 1: Do you? No? That seems like a pretty nice for someone.

00:38:00
Speaker 2: Have better than that, that's what he's hoping.

00:38:03
Speaker 5: Maybe, I don't think maybe the name the maybe part of it. Tyler Milliken put maybe six years Well, he didn't.

00:38:13
Speaker 4: Even put that that was He's just aggregating from Buster Onney's reports, so and and Buster might not have I mean, usually when someone tries to put the exact number off or out, it's it's often a miss.

00:38:24
Speaker 1: So I'm just throwing that out there. But if that was the case, He's like.

00:38:30
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think, and obviously I had no idea. I don't think that the Diamondbacks are the ones that have to make the offer first. And I think the Red Sox have the let us know what everybody else offers. They don't want to bid against themselves. But I don't see I don't see how they don't get Bregman. And I think that's how they they put it, and because they saw what he can do. And I think it's wait for wait for the Diamondbacks to make the offer and then and then I think the Red Sox will either match it, top it, whatever that, whatever that needs to be.

00:39:12
Speaker 4: Sometimes you're not given that luxury that happened last year with the Tigers.

00:39:16
Speaker 1: It's like, you sure that's your last offer? Cool, Red Sox just beat you. We gone. Schwarber just did that with the Reds.

00:39:23
Speaker 4: Red's told him, hey, come back, we can go higher, and he's like, nah, number up that I was looking for later. I know it's different, but I'm just saying they don't get they don't get the honor of getting last call just because they had him for one season.

00:39:37
Speaker 2: I think some organizations do when you play for that team. I think some organizations do.

00:39:41
Speaker 1: I believe that.

00:39:43
Speaker 5: I know that with some organizations because that's how some of my buddies have done their contracts.

00:39:51
Speaker 4: I know, but that that's not a rule, like he played for them a rule. But if you were him, would you think that he needs to give them the benefit of last call offer?

00:40:04
Speaker 1: No, you would be like, YO, tell me what I'm worth.

00:40:06
Speaker 2: Throw it out there, you be off.

00:40:09
Speaker 1: It's a one time you get to do this.

00:40:10
Speaker 2: Here is I'm gonna make a decision. Give me your best offer.

00:40:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna just side deciding today. What's your best offer. I'm not coming back to you with my other ship.

00:40:18
Speaker 5: That's only your I disagree. I disagree, Arizona says one sixty five minutes. Arizona says one sixty. Hey, Boston, I'm about to sign. It's one sixty.

00:40:30
Speaker 2: What do you got?

00:40:31
Speaker 5: They say, one sixty five? Arizona they just said one sixty. Isn't that how negotiations work? Like, why do we have to like's not they don't do is throw numbers out there.

00:40:42
Speaker 4: But also that is not how it works for most cases. They do not do the back and forth. Oh, this team said this, This team said that. Part of that actually has to do with something you bring up and we all bring up all the time, like you you're trying to play a mystery game because you're already fighting against collusion, even the indirect collusion of everyone using the same models. So the best way to counter that is to actually make it more of a mysterious process, like I've got something it's hot today, I'm gonna take it and don't even give them time to figure out who it is and what the offer is.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I do.

00:41:18
Speaker 1: I know that's a thing.

00:41:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you that that's a thing. But as the player, you want them to negotiate against each other. And I think the leverage is in Bregman's hands with the Red Sox.

00:41:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, the leverage is in his hands, But I don't think he has to go back to them and say, hey, John, can you beat the better offer that I found. Like they're the Red Sox. They can they can handle their own big boy offer on their own, so whatever, I would go back, Leo, take it away. That's a good one today. Regular seasons for Shoho Tani bet MGM.

00:42:02
Speaker 1: Futures up. They have him at forty nine and a half homers.

00:42:05
Speaker 2: Over unders for me. Okay, easy under und right now?

00:42:10
Speaker 1: Under pitching full time, that's true, full season of pitching, full.

00:42:16
Speaker 2: Season of pitching. I think he's gonna miss some time at some point, just because.

00:42:22
Speaker 3: I don't know. I hate it.

00:42:23
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't happen.

00:42:24
Speaker 1: But that's not even saying like I hope it doesn't happen.

00:42:28
Speaker 4: The Dodgers are very cautious with everyone because they play the marathon game of we're trying to win a World Series.

00:42:34
Speaker 1: We can get through the regular season with what we have.

00:42:36
Speaker 3: I think he hits forty two.

00:42:38
Speaker 1: Okay, I love this. I'm on the under train as well. One time, lock it.

00:42:46
Speaker 2: I like it.

00:42:46
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00:43:34
Speaker 1: Two things on the way out. Let's do kratz ats.

00:43:35
Speaker 4: First, since I forgot it yesterday, we got busy, but we clearly knew what you were wearing yesterday.

00:43:40
Speaker 1: It was a pirate hat.

00:43:41
Speaker 2: Today, yeah, case you had an XKC guy. I was on the team.

00:43:47
Speaker 5: I didn't play, but I was on the team for a case. And then we brought in Strom who's currently case Why not?

00:43:54
Speaker 1: That's right.

00:43:54
Speaker 4: We did have the big Royals connection today, good call. And then one move we didn't get to because I mean, there weren't any major moves last night in terms of signings, but we covered big Christmas and then justin Henry molloy, who's been on the show before, is actually a big FT fan, is joining up with the Tampa Bay Rays. The Tigers traded him for cash, as most Tigers fans choked. Hopefully they can use that cash on everybody's favorite Terrek Schoogle.

00:44:20
Speaker 1: It's not that kind of cash, guys. No, they didn't sell them.

00:44:23
Speaker 4: Away from millions of dollars in a great interview, justin Henry mlay, Yes, great interview.

00:44:30
Speaker 3: And Jayden Ball's back. That damn Ball. You don't know who that is.

00:44:35
Speaker 2: I don't care. Kratzi'll look at me like that.

00:44:36
Speaker 3: But Jayden Ball's back.

00:44:39
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I know, people all look it up if you know, you know, google me it's j d A And by the way, Bau and gu to.

00:44:50
Speaker 1: Look it up. I wait, guests on the way out, Oh what Kratz just looked it up. I'm looking up our guest list real quick.

00:45:00
Speaker 3: Oh.

00:45:01
Speaker 2: The transfer portal is so crazy to me.

00:45:03
Speaker 5: We got we got football players leaving their school and then visiting the same school in the transfer portal.

00:45:11
Speaker 2: By the way, there's what was it?

00:45:13
Speaker 3: There's five thousand people in the transfer portal for football if you think they're all gonna find because there's also a whole crew of high school kids that is coming in.

00:45:21
Speaker 1: Why don't they sign these guys to like three year deals.

00:45:23
Speaker 2: You can't, you have to go year to year.

00:45:25
Speaker 1: Well that they should.

00:45:26
Speaker 3: The whole thing is stupid.

00:45:27
Speaker 1: They should.

00:45:28
Speaker 3: The whole thing is there's got to be a better get paid. But they I understand they should get paid. It shouldn't be a three year deal, or it should be in Senate based somehow it's a pro game.

00:45:37
Speaker 1: Now make it a pro game three year contract.

00:45:42
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they should be in senate based, But why do you pay a guy that sucks? Like I'm not paying you. You suck, And every other sport is in setup based, no schools.

00:45:52
Speaker 3: But you have to get the money.

00:45:55
Speaker 2: The schools are already gonna get the money. We don't have.

00:45:58
Speaker 4: More importantly, Drew Samorant and Anthony k joining us tomorrow both signed in the last month, and then Macnacharo Royal's extension for the manager and Hunter Harvey, who also signed in the past few weeks, joining us on Thursday.

00:46:10
Speaker 1: See tomorrow