DeJuan Guy Meets World

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I have a question, Um, do you ever have moments where you think that maybe you're weird? And I also have those moments about you all the time. I know, Well, here's the thing that might So that's life, man, Every moment of life is thinking will's weird? How How do you put on your socks and shoes? Oh? God, I put on socks, sock, shoe, shoe. Okay, so yeah, then I'm weird Yoh yeah, yeah, why you do one sock, one shoe? Yeah? So I like, I I sit down and I Mr Rogers, did I put one leg up over the other? I put on a sock and a shoe and tie it and put it down, and then put the other leg up and put on a sock and shoe and tie it. Like why would I put on a put on a sock and then put my foot down and put up my other foot and put on a sock and then put that down, and then put up my other foot and put on a shoe and put it. Seems like I'm doubling my workload. You know, I'll go I I put my socks on before I put my pants on. M hmm, interesting, Okay, I know I think I do that. So the most comfortable order for me is I have underwear. I put socks on, then I put pants on, then I put shoes on, and don't wear I was gonna say the shirt on shirtless. Yeah, no, I mean I've never thought about this. Is That's why I was curious, because because I I caught a kind of a glimpse of myself with just one fully tied shoe on one side and one bare foot, and I was just went, is this normal? Do most people do this? Or am I the weird one? Yet? Again? I think it's one of those internet things where you know, toilet paper over under like obviously um scandal where people weren't washing their legs. Yeah, don't even get me started. It was hardly a scandal. Someone said, a famous person said that they don't wash their legs in the shower because the soap just runs down their legs from their upper body and gravity. I get it, I get, okay, I mean I can't believe you get it. Of course, it seems crazy to get that statement. I mean, sure, gravity has been dirty, soapy water running down your legs, but something both dirty and soapy isn't That isn't that you are dirty up here and you wash it with a washcloth or soap, and now this soap is kind of like dirty because it's going to run off your body. You're clean once the water rinses that off. This dirty soapy nous dripping down your legs is not the same as cleaning your legs. I don't use soap in the shower, though. I wash my entire body with head and shoulder shampoo. That's the truth. Okay, No, I do, yeah because of dan druff, just because it's there and it's like, I don't know, I just grab it and use it. Forget wash class. I've never used a wash cloth in my life, and I I don't wash my face with anything but water and then I just used the shampoo. I like, I shampoo my hair and then I just use it in the rest of my body. All right, I do. But I'm not wearing shoes in the shower. That's good, That's pretty normal. I Uh. We have a mostly shoes off house. Like we don't insist when people walk in that they take their shoes off, but we walk around our house without our shoes on. So socks and shoes is like the last thing I'm doing before I run out the door, I get completely dressed and then go downstairs barefoot, and then like right before I'm ready to run out the door, I'm like quick, put on socks and shoes, and then I put on both socks and then both shoes. But I'm that way anyway, Like I like to complete all of one step. I like an assembly line of of production, like when I helped Jensen Jensen as a pin company, and when Jensen has made a new shirt or he's made a new pin, and I want to put all the pins on the paperbacks first, and then I want to organize them into their piles, and then I want to put them all in the envelopes. I don't want to do one order at a time, like, oh, here's four pins, let me put these four pins on these four backs and then put them like I'm not going to do that once. I want to do it for everyone. I'm just very glad you said when you help Jensen with his pin company, because when you jumped in instantly I thought you're gonna say when I help Jensen get dressed. Yeah, well he does need a lot about getting dressed. Wow, Okay, his clothes for him the night before exactly. Oh my goodness. Wow, well I still think you're superhero underwear is somehow even weirder than washing your body with shampoo. I got two new marvels and an amazing Hulk, But the Hulk is um he It's it's like sleeping shorts. I was hoping it was more like the jockeys that I could really wear out. But they're not. They're like Big Boxer's a warm last night. They are hoak smash. They are great. So yeah, awesome. And let me ask you this, will, was was there a phase? Okay, so when you were a little kid, you were probably superhero underwear. Did you just keep wearing superhero underwear all through your life or was there like a mini adulthood where you stopped war like boxers or briefs. I think I went through that. Yeah, I went through that young life crisis where I tried regular underwear, you know, But then I realized who I was and stayed true to it, and I was like, no, this is not me right here. Oh boy, welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm brad Or Strong, and I'm Wilfredell. Well, let's bring in our guest for today. He is somebody we have had the pleasure of watching on Boy Meat's World a couple of times now that we're into the first season. He is honestly the most fleshed out third friend of any of the third friends we had, and he's definitely the most memorable. He is best known as Jake and Clive Barker's classic horror movie Candy Man. He appeared in Little Giants and Baby Boy on TV and shows like Fresh, Prince of bel Air, and Living Color, Sister Sister, and he had a recurring role on Boston Public. I am really excited to welcome to One. Guy who played Ellis in two episodes of Boy Meets World. Welcome to One. Welcome. How are you? I'm doing good? How are you? We are doing well? Man, We are so excited to have you here. You grew up. You grew up? Yeah, I grew up. I definitely grew up. And I even have a grown up. I got a little grown up myself. How old is your little grown up? Funny one, he just became really grown up. You have a real grown up A definitely. I have four total, four kids, four kids totalm Wow, that's anyone, fourteen ten and uh four, Wow, they really run, Yes they do. And my fourth is my girl and she has me wrapped around her pink. That's not totally surprising. Go on, I am dying to know. How were you cast on Boy Meat's World. What was the auditioning process for you? What did you know about the role? Tell us everything, he said, tell us, look, look, look everything, tell us everything. I mean, it was back in the day. You had the head shots and you go you go in with your head shot and and do your audition. And I was just going on so many you know, and I went out from Boy Meat's World and you know, I got it. I found out, I booked it, and I was like it was like, okay, this will be a fun show to work on, you know. So I remember wardrobe asking what I wanted to wear, and I wanted to wear cross colors. I remember that. I remember. Uh, there's a lot of things I remember, right. I remember we went and played basketball with the kids from Home Improvement. Yeah, there was a daily occurrence that that that that was. That was a fun thing to do. We have fun on this set. You know. It's funny because I don't remember ever being asked what I wanted to wear. No, I was gonna say that. That was that. Yeah, So hearing that they got that you got some input is pretty great because I would have at least picked a belt. You didn't get to pick anything. No, not not not if memory serves I mean, did you does anybody remember having at least in the beginning. I don't remember having any input. Maybe as we got older, we could have a little input when it came to maybe they just looked at you and me Will and they were like, you guys have no style, so don't worry because I had no style. I like, I said, you know what that was that. I'm not gonna not going to mention other sets. But that wasn't the only set that I worked on where they asked me what I wanted to wear, what I was into? That was not like uncommon in the nineties, I guess, because you know, I've worked on a lot of different shows and it wasn't I mean, it's not like I had a final say, but they'd be like, hey, what do you like? What are you into? You know? And you know, sometimes I get to wear it. Sometimes I wouldn't. And back then you got to peep clothes sometimes that that that day ended. I remember when that ended. They used to get after everything was shot and done, and they might let you keep some clothes. Well, you mentioned other sets. Why don't you tell us about some of the other shows you did during the nineties and what those experiences were like. And then I want to ask you about any specific memories you have from being on the set of Boy Meats World. But tell us about some of the other shows you did. Well. I worked on Fresh Prince Bellair. How fun was that? That was a lot of fun. It was a very loose set, like it was everybody you know, we it was taped in front of a line of audience. So what we would do is we're getting Will's dressing room and kind of have a little hype up moment where he's like rapping and and doing all these things, and then um, you know, we're dancing around and everybody's getting hyped for the audience. So that was fun. That was fun, and Will was so cool. He even had Nike sent me some shoes for Christmas. So, like, like I said, I was getting stuff in the nineties one way, you know, like I was getting stuff. Um, let's see what in Living Color Um that was a hot show and I needs and I got a chance to work on that, and that's one of my favorite shows. So and the thing is what that show is they would have skits and sometimes they wouldn't get to your skit. So I think I got hired like five times and then I worked three times. So that show was a little different than any thing else that I've worked on because usually gonna at least shoot it, even though I put you on a shopping black later, at least get to shoot it right. But on that show and be like, Okay, we're not getting to this. Get you can go home now. But that's really cool because you know, that was obviously a show that had like a regular cast, So I mean, you were really rare in the sense that you were like a recurring guest star on the show, where I wasn't super common recurring guest star because I did do like I said, I did do three episodes. But the biggest thing in the nineties for me was Candy Man. Yeah, that was that was you know, that's the thing that has people going to this day is Candy Man. And I've done horror conventions and things like that. And people have me signing all kind of custom made stuff, mirrors with hooks coming out of it, and just you know, stuff so freaks me out. It's so freak that in my head, I'm like, just just talk about in living color, just talk about in living color. I don't want to get into the horror stuff. It scared me. You know. I worked on Baywatch too. I didn't really and they made a two part episode where I was like this little kid in the wheelchair, and that was one of the more challenging roles I did, because of course I'm not actually handicapped. I wasn't in a wheelchair, but I had gotten shot and I was in a wheelchair, but I was actually the character was kind of supposed to be in um protective well I don't know, pro technic custody or not technical. They're supposed to, yeah, protecting there, you're right. So I'm highly out at this rehab and then Daved Householf you know his niche comes in because he gets hurt, so he's at the rehab and of course he ends up saving the day. But they made that a two part episode, which was a big deal, and they had like a we did like a little premier for it and everything it was. It was kind of like a big deal. Yeah, so okay, I'm sorry, I have to have a question because I I'm talking. It's I don't even know how to word this. Because Candyman and You've got fresh principal air in living color, Sister Sister, Boy Me Tworld. It's like some of the most iconic nineties shows throwing another one on the mix? Is there one that when you look back on, that's the one where you say sister? I think with Sister Sister too again, every every one, So is there one you look back on and say, Yeah, that's the one I'm the most proud of because of whatever reason. But it's the last ridiculous when it comes to nineties shows that you're on. Yeah, wow, almost it was World. No, It's okay, answer why definitely? But I had a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun work. I even worked with Simbad and the late great Green Hinds. The first movie I actually worked when ever was Boy Is in the Hood. My scene got cut, so I got the experience of being on the chopping block first before there was Boys in the Hood. What developed my relationship with John Singleton, the late John Singleton, and I later did Baby Boy when I got a little older. I did the movie Baby Boy with you know Tyreese and wait, let's go, let's take a step back, Joan, how did you get started? Like, how did you become an actor? You? You grew up in We're right where we need to be because it was the Boys in the Hood story. Okay, so this is what happens. I'm not even living in Los Angeles. I'm living in Dayton, Ohio. My aunt lives in Los Angeles, and I visited her during the summer and go to like this acting school, Marley Gibbs Acting School, if you remember anybody knows of course she had with women Mayo from Tamford and Son. Uh. They had an acting school. And at this acting school there were classes for the adults and their classes for the kids. I did the classes for the kids. But what happened. She was doing a scene from A Raisin in the Sun and she had me come in and and play the sun. And then John Singleton was in that class, and he was like, I want him for Boys in the Hood. But I eight and they needed like a twelve year old and I was eight and I looked six, probably because I always looked young for my age, and you know, you know Plumbia Pictures now Sony, they were like, you know, no, uh, this is not gonna work for because it was like a lot of profanity and all of that. You know, it wasn't gonna work with this little kid doing it. They weren't. They were gonna have that where you supposed to be at the beginning when it was when there was all of them younger. It was gonna be the young trade, which later good. So um, but what he did have me do, He had me do this little part and I ride up on my bike and I say, I'm not gonna say it because it's kind of uh provocative when I say this line to Cuba and his girlfriend on the porch because they're kissing. And then I ride off with my friends and he throws rocks at us and I ride off with my friends. That's what I shot. That's what I actually did, and that got cut and then later, um, how it really was kind of similar to the Baby Boy was did you find out it got cut before or did you go to the movie thinking that you'd see it. I found out I had gone back to Ohio, and I found that. My aunt told me because she had went to the screening and she told me she got cut too because she had a partner movie too, and they cut hers too because it is it's a it's a rough It's a brilliant film, but it's a rough film. Would you have been allowed to see it? Um? What I've been allowed? I did see it? You did when you were eight? They like you what you saw? Boyzen hood? Okay. I was wondering if they you know, it was one of those things where it was too rough, they wouldn't were gonna let you watch it. I don't know. It was a different day in a different time. I saw. I saw horror movies. I saw Freddy Cooper Baby wasn't uh people today they'd be like, oh, hey, you're watching that, But did you did you occasionally get the eyes the hand in front of the eyes. That's what I would get with my mom or dad would put their hands like that would stop something. Yeah, yeah, definitely, we'll get their hand over there eyeing the nudity scene or something like that. But yep, yep, same. So I want to go into how did you get candy man? Candy man. All right, candy man, lots of kids. I just shoot your candy man. And the part I remember is the last audition. Virginia Mason comes running out to the parking. I tell me you got it, you got it, you got the park you know, and I'm like, whoa, that never happened. Only other times that happened was on Baywatch. And I walked out of the casting room knowing that I got casted, and everybody was still in their uh wait in the audition. I thought you were gonna say, Virginia Madsen came running after you, saying you got Baywatch, you got Baywatch? Oh no, no, no, that it was Handyman and Baywatch A two times that I found out like instantly that I was cast. That's fine, that's kind of the old school Hollywood way. You get that kind of you know, congratulations, you got the part. Kid. They don't do that anymore. Yeah, days out with that everything. They don't even let you come in an audition anymore. Yeah. And you guys are seeing Henry Thomas's audition for et. It's unreal. One of the craziest things in the world. It's they it's you just see, it's a close up of his face and you can hear Steven Spielberg saying giving him instructions like okay, that the alien's going away and you just want have to say goodbye to him and he's your best friend, and he improvises the saying don't don't take him away, and he starts crying and it's the most emotion. It's like, it's one of the most incredible. It's almost better than he is in the movie. It's like, it's amazing, just came to life. And then he stops in the New Year Spielberg, Well, you got the park kids, so it's amazing. Speaking of stillborn Steven Spielberg, I worked with him too. It was yeah, little giants. Oh my gosh, you literally were a part of every iconic nineties thing. Yes, that's another crazy story. Um, if I might just I'll tell you real quick. Basically, you know, I went an audition, probably for one of the regular parts like everybody else, and I didn't really fit for what they were looking for. But still, from what I heard, Spielberg wanted me to be in the film anyway, so they put me in the beginning of the film when they're like the sixties and they're like playing like a little game of football in the park and his you know, a little brother doesn't get picked and all that. So that was a lot of fun. Talk about junk food on set. Every it was like ice crape bars, like it was totally catered to kids. Like that set was loaded with like just all the stuff that kids would like, all the you know, the candies, the ice cream, the jump food. How long did you shoot that? How long was was that production? Um? I actually I worked a few days, but I only shot like I don't think maybe one or two days I shot or something. They had. That was one of those sets where you might just come and hang around all day a book your school out do your was three hours of school, get your school booked in, and then you're just hanging out, Hey, hanging out. You know, Yeah, we do a lot. I'm sure you remember doing a lot of that hanging out. Well, that's that's a good question. Do you do you remember? I mean, how much of your schooling when you were growing up was actually done on set? Schools? A good amount between fourth in the eighth grade, wow, between the fourth and eighth grade, a good amount. It was like once I got the high school, things slowed down because you know, how would you the cash you at eighteen to play twelve? But basically, um, between fourth grade and eighth grade, I was definitely doing a lot of school on the set, which uh, and my teachers were great. I went to a private school, so they did you move out to l A at that point or were you I moved out to l A right before Candy Man, Okay, so it was like right after the Boys in the Hood. I went back to Ohio and then my mom was like, look, if this looks like this might be a gig for you, or you know, this looks like this might be a thing. You know, if you book something else, you can stay out there with your aunt and you know my uncle. And that's what happened. I book Candy Man and let me color and I just started working. So my stage I went to a private school, which, um, I think it was good coming up being that I was in the city, so you know, we had prayer in school and all that good stuff. So that so he was like driving you to auditions and stuff. Is that your on? My I was driving me to auditions. She was that sounds like she was an actor too, Yes, she she, Um, you know, she went to UH college and study theater and used to do all kind of competitions, speech competitions and plays and all kinds of stuff. But she put her career to aside and and basically focused on me. And I was taking me on my auditions, was my acting coach on set, mom, all of that good stuff. So um yeah, shout out to my Yes. Hey everyone. I'm Wilford l also known as a voice behind Ron Stoppaball Hey, and I'm Christie Carlson Romano, also known as the voice behind Kim Possible. And we have teamed up again, but this time as the host of I Hear Voices. Have you ever wanted to go behind the scenes of your favorite cartoons, video games, and animated movies. If so, we have the podcast for you. Every week, we're gonna be talking to the biggest stars of voice over, like Alan Tutick, Vette Nicole Brown, Steve Downs, Dietrich Bader, and even reuniting with our Kim Possible co star Taj Maury. 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David Allen Greer, Jim Carrey, Wow, Jamie fox It was an episode one episode? I did, uh, David Allen Greer, I was like just like a Native American with the bow and arrow kind of thing, and he had hemorrhoids. I don't know, it was like, you know, color they had like some Woe. The other one with Jim Carrey h which Jamie Fox was a part of two was it was like make a death wish. So I'm supposed to be the sick kid and he's let me do whatever I want to do. You let me playing the super Bowl, you know, flying airplane. Oh jeez. So that was a lot of fun working with Jim Carey and Jamie Fox and David that was a fun set to work on. It was I do a really great fire Marshal Bill impersonation that I won't do because you can't bring that up and then say I'm not going that's not It was such a huge fan But let me tell you a right, pretty good right. The best part that you didn't really get to stands that I can do the next How did you pop them out? So like normally I have to dry my teeth? How did you You just did it instantly? I can go right into it A long time. I spent a long time perfecting that well, because in Living Color came after I'm Going to Get You Sucker, which is one of the funniest eighties movies ever, and and Ivory Waynes wrote and directed and started it and it was so good, and David Allen Greer shined in that movie at a tiny part and was hysterical. And I remember every time watching In Living Color going how is he not the biggest comedian in the world. How is David Angrier not the biggest comedian? He's so funny and was one of those underrated kind of people. And then In Living Color came out and I was like, Oh, finally he's got a shot. So at the idea that you're on set and you're working with David Allen Greer and Jim Carrey and Jamie Fox, I didn't know if it was gonna be a recurring role. I think I did know at one point that was gonna come back again, you know, after the first episode. Uh, but it's fine to find out about. I was excited about it. I was My agent used to do a thing where she would ring the bill. She had a bill so if you booked something, she would ring the bill. So I was you know, I was definite when I heard the bill ring and I know it was Winn's World. I was excited about it. It was gonna you know, be on a cool studio lot and um, yeah, you know, have a lot of fun. You know, we were with those water guns. We were having fun with that water war. Then it was the painting Defense and you know, working with Ben and then Fred came on set and I got to meet him, and I knew him from the Wonder Years. So I was like, that was kind of plas I remember when you was a kid working on the Wonder Years. Yeah, so I remember him coming on set. Um, have you heard us talk about what we lovingly dubbed as the death chair? No? What is what? What did you call the death chair? So? The death chair was the chair of the Third Friend. That was basically the first season of Boy Meets World. For at least the first several episodes, they were really trying to find that third friend. It was gonna be Corey, Sean and this other friend, and they were going through kids and kids would come on and they do one episode and then we'd never see them again, and you run of the rare guests that stayed for two episodes. And so I was wondering if you had heard us talk about that at all? And do you remember then finding out you weren't going to come back after after you had done two episodes? Was there ever any sort of conversation about not coming back or was it just that you didn't get another call? Uh, I didn't. I didn't get a call to come back. Um, I thought it was a possibility because I did two episodes, and anytime you do two episodes. Later, when I worked on Boston Public, you know that means more episodes. Possibly I became recurring. And you know, I learned early on in this business. Remember the Boys in the Hood story, So I learned early on that you just kind of gotta best yourself off and move on to the next but not take it personally. But I definitely had a great time working with everybody on the set, and you know it was Yeah, then don't forget it was Mincaus. Mincus is the one that stopped for a little while. Yeah, yeah, we've talked about. Now. I have a question for everybody, because I honestly don't know. Do you think, as they were trying to find this third friend because they have to write the scripts ahead of time, so they're they're working on scripts down the line, do you think they'd bring a friend on and have that friend in two or three episodes and then the actor didn't work out, so they take them out of future scripts or do you think they were never put into future scripts? Like how would that work? Well, you gotta think with kid actors, it's not just the kid, it's everything that comes with the kid. I'm gonna leave it there. I'm gonna leave it there. It's not just the kid. It's the full package, whatever that is. I look at it, it's the full package. And I think maybe they were unsure in some cases, you know, and maybe the full package just wasn't the right fit. And you know, who knows is a number of reasons, especially dealing with child actors, that could be you know, who really knows. I wanted to ask you because you mentioned being able to dust yourself off because of your very first experience with boys in the hood. How do you dust yourself off? What are your like skills and what how do you not take something personally? It's it's something that I think actors deal with all the time, the rejection, but it's not something that um that people outside of the entertainment industry have to deal with that often. Uh, And so what are your skills for dusting yourself off? Well, one thing that I was pretty as a young kid, teenager, I was active in my church, So I didn't just have I wasn't just solely focused on, you know, just school and then working on somebody's set. You know. I was inquires praise teams. So there's the faith based there. And um, there was a time when I even turned down a role because I had committed to doing you know, MC in a concert and leading some songs at a concert from my church. And it was a movie we all turned down. And it ended up being my grandmother rest in peace, who was like a mother to me. I was very close to. I got a couple of tattoos dedicated to her. Uh. She passed in two thousand one and it was the last thing she saw me do was that concert, and she would have never saw the movie. So um, and I'm still active in my church and I sent on to praise team at my church now. Uh but I think, like I said, I went to the private school and some of my faith based kind of helped God. This is not all I'm living for is to be on television already get a role. Um, but yeah, anybody is disappointed you audition for. I remember some big stuff I audition for. I distion for the Jackson vide movie and I auditioned for the Wood. I there's a lot of stuff that I auditioned for that I didn't book for whatever reason. And I think, I think your answer is exactly right, man. I think having a community outside of the entertainment industry, you know, because so many kid actors, unfortunately, it becomes their parents life to you know, like that their kids work or not. Work becomes so important to their parents. And then you know, especially if you're moving from somewhere else to come to Los Angeles, you don't have a community. You know, people don't have community, so they come here and like you see, you know at the Oak Waid apartments, the you know, it's usually a mom with their kid and they're isolated from their community and the career becomes everything. And that the pressure that that puts on a kid. Oh, you know, like for me, because the support system. You know what, even though I was making money, of course, um I didn't get that pressure. Nobody pressure like you know, I was. I was pulling my weight so to speak, for whatever, you know, obvious reasons. But I um, I never got the pressure like I had to work, like you have to book this gig, you know, you haven't booked a gig in six months. I never got I never got that pressure, and I'm glad I didn't. I was very because I'm sure that there are probably were kids out there in the industry where that we're getting that pressure. Who's you know. I was just in a situation where, you know, things were able to stay afloat, you know, and it wasn't all on me to keep everybody, you know, afloat, so to speak. And people who gave up their careers for their kids career, then that puts a lot pressure because Okay, if you don't book gigs, how's the rent don't get paid? How exactly, how's the car not gonna get paid? How'm gonna get you to your auditions? You know? Um, and auditions were everywhere back in the day. You you pull out the Thomas Guy, Thomas Guide, Thomas Guide. I remember flipping to the Thomas Guy and helping my mom like, oh my god, sitting staying back seat, flipping that and happy to be like be four bar and Boulevard is on B four And then you're like, I mean I figured out how to learn I learned how to read maps at a very young age, and I got very good at it, just so I could tell my mom, No, no, it's the other Ventura Boulevard, Like, oh my god. Can we explain very quickly to our our listeners what the Thomas Guide was, because I'm gonna tell us right now. A series of Los Angeles is a crazy giant city all built around the car. So it's you know, all freeways and all streets and highways. It's it's it's amaze. And so the famous maps that were produced were these giant books called Thomas Thomas Brothers Maps right there, Thomas Brothers, Thomas brother I was just a Thomas guy, Thomas Guy. I always called it the Thomas Guide, and it was. It was. Yeah, it was just a huge book. It was. But it had it had a spiral binders, the page spiral bindus. You can flip the pages back, and the pages were long. It was, they were there. It was bigger than a normal book eight and a half by eleven, but the eleven horizon it was horizontal with Yeah, it was. It was landscape is the phrase. Yeah, it was like the landscape book. And you would have to flip through it and find you in the back where all the streets and with the numbers, and you have to search the index. It was like a you know, three page index of any street name. So if you got an audition, you would get the address and then you have to flip to the back of the Thomas Guide and you know, look it up and then it would tell you what page that that address in that street, and then it would give you the you know, whether it was BE four or C two or whatever, and you have then flip back to that page, isolate where it is and figure out where you are on the map. Anybody, did anybody have a beeper? Oh? Yo, of course they had the beeper? My page like, like, did anybody get that? No, they had an audition because they got a page. If you got access to a fax machine, you get the facts sides the facts and was kind of not working. So I have a question, So it rolled up the shiners. So I was told to get two things when I came out to Los Angeles. The Thomas Guide and what was the other thing everybody had in their car? Oh? The well I had. We had one of those Zach Morris car phones. Yeah, okay, we had answer one of those radars to tell you if the police that's a good answer. But no, the thing everybody had. You had the Thomas Guide and you had the club. Oh yeah, done to your steering wheel and got really long so that they couldn't turn your your steering wheel like hit your windshield. Everybody had the club first car or something. I had the club, the Club and the Thomas Guide, and they scared the heck out of you because they say, oh, you're moving to l A. Get this thing called the Club, and if they don't steal your car, you can use it to defend yourself. I was like, what where am I moving to? That was the other thing. Every well down the beach and go. But the Thomas guy did you guys have to like playing your auditions, Like when you got your audition, like okay, map it out going, okay, yeah. That there was no way to know how long it is going to take you to get there. There was like three hours. We were always we were always late. My mom was always so stressed out, Like, oh my god, the anxiety I get just thinking about this guy, and like how much pressure I felt, you know, because we were just always lost. We were always lost. Traffic was always a miserable. Oh my god. Well Los Angeles. You're either an hour early or two hours late every time. I hated being late, but you never if you were going to hit this crazy l a traffic or something that was just gonna put you in a parking lot. Yeah, so do wan. You mentioned auditioning for the Jackson five movie. What are is that? The is that like the craziest thing you auditioned for that didn't book? Or what's a project for all of you will writer? What is something you auditioned for that You're like, man, that could have been me, but I didn't book it? Um, baby boy? You looked it? What's the spill the key? Well? I remember you might not have heard this, but here I said, auditioned for Jody, which was Tyrese's character, the Leader. So I was like, I was. I was happy to do the film, of course, but it was like, if there's anything that I auditioned for, not as a kid, but that was the first thing that made me think of like baby boy, I wish i'd been am gonna do the leading that like that, but as a kid that I didn't book. Well, I actually I didn't book Boston Public the first few times, and then I then they brought me back and just kept bringing me back. So that's a didn't book and then end up booking and booking ums. I auditioned for Free Willie. Free Willie. What was that crazy movie water World? I understood for water roll and they roll instead of a boy whoa character probably with the you on your back. Yeah that was I don't know how they changed it, but I just remember they I think they would with a girl. That was a nice easy shoot from everything I've read. Yeah, one of the biggest disasters in history, Danielle, yours is free Willie. Yeah. I tested for Free Willy and they end up giving it to that killer whale. I really wanted to be the whale. They changed it, the ched it up a little girl and he helped her escape, and they decided it was free. It was free Danielle. Originally it was free TOPI, and then this whale came in nailed it, and they were like, this thing is gonna be huge, no pun intemper. Remember I wish for free will several times. Remember that one kind of on the same subject. You talk about gigs that I um didn't book that I wish I would have booked. I said the wood was one. But how about gigs that could have been bigger gigs like um pilots pilot called Finally Home for Aaron Spelling and it had um Melissa Gilbert was one of the stars of it, you know, from Little House on the Prairie, And I did the pilot, but it didn't it didn't pick up. So that was a little disappointed because that was at that point where I was starting back to work again. I was eighteen, so I could play younger and and work as so that one and then I did. Uh there was a show called Rewind What Fox end up doing that seventies show instead of rewinnd It was like they had these two seventies flashbacks shows. Rewind was one with Scott Bayo and Maestro Clark, which is the one I did, and I they would flash back to the seventies and then they end up going with that seventies show. So those two shows that could have gone some there that you know, do you guys remember back in the day there used to be a movie of the weeks and and they but but do you remember how all the networks would be making the same mow So something would happen in the news, like do you remember there was the Texas Cheerleader mom. A mom hired some killer to like murder another whatever. It was like a big scandal. And so then like the next pilot season, they were all three networks were making their version of that story as a mo the week, And so if you were like you'd get auditions, you'd be like, this is the same character name, but it's a completely different script. And they would all be casting at the same time. So we'd all be going. I remember going out for like, you know, the same movie three different times for three different networks, and they would all make them and they would all air and only one of them would do any good or you know whatever. But yeah, it's such a funny thing. My favorite the audition flashbacks. Yeah, you get those everything, Like then, I thought about the audition for South Central. I really wanted that movie and I didn't get it. I was like, and I wanted that movie. I remember a movie back in New York. Um I was eleven or twelve, and it was called The Wind on Fire and it was the coolest script in the world. A kid gets separate like a kid's parents if I remember this correctly, are um like, uh workers like international workers in the Middle East and in Afghanistan, and he gets separated from his parents and essentially either the parents are killed or they're separated, and he is adopted by the Mujahadin and is trained as a Mujahadin freedom fighter and has to learn how to speak Arabic and do all this. And I was it was incredible, no, And I was like I was booked. It essentially booked in the role I had gone in ten times. I was going to go into the Middle East like it was nuts. And I think that's when the first Gulf four started to break out. Something happened. Um, but it was I remember that, Yeah, I seriously I remember that script though, just thinking like this is gonna be the coolest experience of doing this. But the thing that still killed me, the one, the one that got away from me was the Michael Jordan's commercial because it was all about commercials in New York, especially as a kid, and it was the Michael Jordan's coke commercial where he's in the um. All the kids are in the treehouse and they're sitting there and they're talking about Michael Jordan and drinking coke, and all of a sudden, the curtains open and Michael Jordan comes in there like Michael, and he hangs out with him and gives him shoes, and it was down between myself and one of their kids. I still remember his name, Mike Moran. And Mike Moran booked every commercial there was, and he was he just was. And that was the one that he didn't know what to do with your hands and were everybody had exactly if you had worn a belt often for Michael Jordan commercials, that would have been it funny Michael Jordan's story. While we're talking about Michael Jordan's So, I'm a little kid, you know, I'm I don't know, ten years old and I'm at the Clipper game and I'm watching the Bulls play the Clippers, watching Jordan play. And I was a part of his flight club. You know, you give used one I D card and I'm like, so I'm going to you know, by the locker room and stuff, and I'm scared. I'm like, Michael, I'm in your flight club. I'm a card. Carey, remember I'm a card. I don't remember. I was just like so whenever I would go to Bulls games, that was like some of the that I love going to Bulls games. When I got and then the funny part was Robert Townsen was sitting behind me and he could have took me in the locker room, but we didn't say anything in time that half time writer, What did you audition for that you didn't book that you like look back on? And many things, so many things. Uh. Yeah, the craziest day which I feel like I may have mentioned that there was a time when I I auditioned for Hook many many times and it you know, I made it down to the final whatever and um so I was flying down to l A from home to meet Steven Spielberg to audition for Hook. And the night before, uh, George Lucas found out and he was casting Young Indiana Jones, so he asked me to audition for him. So when one day I met George Lucas to play Young Indiana Jones and then Steven Spielberg in the same day to be Robin Williams Son in Hook, and it was the most overwhelming, awful day of my life. I mean, in some ways it was the greatest day in my life. But I was so nervous and the facts that came in the night before for the for the Indiana Jones audition was a three page monologue about mummification. So I just prepare this monologue and then go meet George Lucas And uh, if you've ever read or heard anything about George Lucas, he is a notoriously bad audition er and not not a very personal warm man. It was, it was. It was an awful experience and I like walked out crying, miserable, and my mom had to like cheer me up and like. And then we went to Amblin on the Universal lot and this was around Christmas time, and Spielberg had pumped in snow around the offices he had. I got there and and he was and they go, oh, take him to the game room. And they had a waiting room full of video games just for the kids auditioning to play video games and relax. And then they pull you from the game room and you go sit in a little room with your parent alone with a fire crackling to calm you down. And then they call you in and Spielberg could not be He's like the most effusive, mind generous, just jumps up, talks and walked me through like we spent like half an hour together acting. I mean it's everything that you hear about Spielberg and it was like, oh, this is and I you know, I wanted that job so bad because I just wanted to work with him and I wanted to a movie like Hook where I got to be, you know, on a pirate ship and do all this stuff. He wanted to work with Phil Collins, Charlie Karsmo was booking everything at that. Did you audition for that? Yeah, you must have been part of the Hook. But we did the same thing with the Little Arcade or Win the video game the game Room. Yeah, when I auditioned for Spielberg for a Little Giants, all right, yeah that's crazy. And then and then yeah they gave it to Julia Roberts instead. Yeah. I had a meeting at amble And a couple of years ago and I was like the last time I was here, I was and I was like, and they were like, they still have a game room. Apparently they still have it. So that's amazing. Really, I hope they updated it now they need like PS five No, it was would be great. Writer would still kill it at Writer was the best Street Fighter two player in the his three of the game. Oh, you guys used to play video games on set too? Sure in that you guys were doing that when I was on set that they wanted us to exercise the first season and in the second season they're like, that's fine, given some video games and some ping pong and will count it table. It's like, oh, wow, but didn't we all have like the video games back then? Though video games are cool, there's two buttons. Now I'm that guy. I'm like, it's loud and I don't know what the actual black guys. Guy, your one year old son has he seen your work? What does he have a favorite? Tell me? Tell me what your kids have seen and what they love. Okay, my son, Uh, he's always telling people about Candy Band and baby Body. Yeah, he's the one to tell me about your podcast. Want to tell me about the podcast? Shout out to him. He was like, they're doing this podcast. They're talking about you and boy this world. I said, all right, son, I told him, I said, hey, they contacted me. They want me to be on the show. So I told him that Junior Duan Jr. Is the one that's following in my footsteps for the most part, and then probably in a little bit because he's dabbling. He's in high school, so you know he dabbles in band, he dabbles in acting. Well, he said, do want Juniors? Is doing music? Is there is there anything we can we can listen to on? He goes Bob they Kwan the Guy and he's on Apple He's on Apple Music. Um, I'm not sure he might be on Spotify too, but I know he's on Apple Music. Um, but it's a working progress. You know he's doing he's doing songs here. He hasn't done a full like album or anything yet, but he's been releasing some singles and as he works with his friend who has a studio. I actually went to school for audio engineering a few years back. So um, yeah, he's he's active in it. But like I said, where can people find you? Now? Where can people? People are gonna listen to this, They're gonna want to see what you're working on? What are you doing now? And where can we find you? Where can you find me? Now? Will I have an Instagram? I have what is your Instagram name? I think it's just the one guy, or it might be look look like a guy, but yeah, it's just the one guy. And then I put on their actor and I have my Facebook which is just the one guy um and my Winner which is at guy Demand. I look forward to getting more in to do some doing some more acting. I've worked on some projects what you what you call those? Uh not independent project, you know, the independent projects. I've done a few of those just to keep my chops up. And you know, I love acting, so I do it for free, even though we love the month, we love to get paid to do it, but um, you know I do it for free and I have done it for free. And other than I actually worked on the project together and he played my son. Well, thank you so much for joining us to on. It was a real pleasure. Thank you for having me or I'll see. I mean, that's really the first time I've ever met to one. I wasn't in an episode with That's true, isn't it. Yeah, so I don't. I didn't have like a specific, you know, memory of being on set with him, and but uh yeah, wow, I mean what a career he's had. He was on everything, I mean everything nineties he was on Well, I can't get when you're you know, I mean at that age, like if you work, you just keep working. You know, like as a kid actor, especially back then, like there weren't there just weren't that many of us. You know, there was that very you got the talent. I mean, he had had the talent to stay working. You know. That's the other thing is it's people forget that where it's kind of like, yeah, you worked a lot if you were a young actor, but if you were a talented young actor, um, and and if you had like a good family or you know, because if we're a nightmare, like you get hired again and casting directors would remember that and the word would get out and that happened a lot. You know, kids would be really talented, but the their their social skills or their parents or whatever. It's just it was, you know, a dangerous situation for a set to have that person around. So those people wouldn't work. But it's not like he was very grounded and had his community and everything that he needed. So yeah, it was really cool. Well, thank you guys for joining us for this amazing episode of pod Meats World. You can follow us on Instagram at pod Meats World Show. You can send us an email at pod Meats World Show at gmail dot com, and of course, as always, we have got merch March every time. 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