The Steam Machine, Steam Frame, Steam Controller and More!

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Bess Mornings, presented by Deeku
<v Speaker 1>Deals with Me Jeff Grubb, your host from Giant bomb
<v Speaker 1>dot com. Thank you for tuning in. In this episode,
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about a ton of news about
<v Speaker 1>upcoming video game hardware. Time to start talking about the
<v Speaker 1>next gen and the next Ratchet and Clank game gets announced. Really,
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a good one. Hold your horses there, Bud.
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a good one because we have Janet
<v Speaker 1>Shoe on the show. Jan how are you doing?
<v Speaker 2>I was really excited and then you tempered my expectations.
<v Speaker 1>Let's temper them expectations just to tad, just to touch.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that very soon. But yeah, it's a
<v Speaker 1>big news day plenty to catch up on. You did
<v Speaker 1>get a chance to go out to Seattle and see
<v Speaker 1>some stuff.
<v Speaker 3>How was that trip?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was a little bit. Uh I felt a
<v Speaker 2>little bit loopy because this was maybe a day or
<v Speaker 2>two after I got home from the Bombit thon.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was NonStop, and then.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, Valve was like, hey, come on over y'all. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, when Valve comes calling, you don't say no.
<v Speaker 2>You if they if Gabe sends you the you up text,
<v Speaker 2>you get in the car and go. And also uh,
<v Speaker 2>Dan and I we put out a combination of a
<v Speaker 2>video checking out the new Steam frame, Steam machine, steam Controller,
<v Speaker 2>as well as like ever a little bit of a
<v Speaker 2>teensy travelogue it sprinkled in there. I always enjoy going
<v Speaker 2>to Valve because the people that work there seem very
<v Speaker 2>enthusiastic to work. They're they're happy, and also you know
<v Speaker 2>what grub when you were talking to someone that is
<v Speaker 2>so incredibly passionate about like the work that they get
<v Speaker 2>to do, that it feels infectious that even if you
<v Speaker 2>if some of like the more technical hardcore details are
<v Speaker 2>like going over your head, you're like, I'm glad y'all
<v Speaker 2>made that work. That is cool. Hell yeah, And it's
<v Speaker 2>just like genuine warmth and smile. And I feel that
<v Speaker 2>every single time I've gone the chance to visit Valve
<v Speaker 2>for you know, the original steam deck, the old and
<v Speaker 2>now all these three things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh, you know, their flat structure over there,
<v Speaker 1>people only work on stuff that they want to work on,
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that like they work that way and
<v Speaker 1>then they end up doing all this very amazing stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Well there's only one way this happens.
<v Speaker 3>It's because they all.
<v Speaker 1>Really want to be doing this, and that's encouraging and exciting,
<v Speaker 1>and you know that hopefully that passion will carry over
<v Speaker 1>now that it's it seems to be really well received.
<v Speaker 1>So okay, I think we're setting ourselves up for a
<v Speaker 1>nice future of cool hardware and maybe more importantly, in
<v Speaker 1>my eyes, a lot of like awesome software improvements that
<v Speaker 1>will set up gaming in a way that'll be safe
<v Speaker 1>from the effects of Windows and all these other things
<v Speaker 1>that you know, are a little bit shaky right now.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we'll get into it as we talk
<v Speaker 2>about the Steam stuff further grub. But I also am
<v Speaker 2>deeply appreciative Evalve even having us on their radar and
<v Speaker 2>inviting us out multiple times, Like you know, we're, all
<v Speaker 2>things considered, we're a very small team, and our pocket
<v Speaker 2>of the internet as as fun and as great as
<v Speaker 2>it is, Like I understand that we're not hitting the
<v Speaker 2>same numbers as like all these other gaming outlets and everything,
<v Speaker 2>but I do appreciate that they're they will constantly invite
<v Speaker 2>Dan and I back, and like, oh, those two that
<v Speaker 2>keep filming in the park across the street, yeah, okay, okay.
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh they love it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's they know our crew, they know our audience,
<v Speaker 1>and uh there you know. I always appreciate it. Pretty
<v Speaker 1>friendly with Valve and that's nice. All right, Well let's
<v Speaker 1>get into it.
<v Speaker 3>Thanks.
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<v Speaker 1>All right, we have a lot to get into, so
<v Speaker 1>let's start the morning mess with Valve reveals a new
<v Speaker 1>hardware lineup, a controller, compact gaming PC, and vrready headset.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to grab this from Darren Bontius at game Spot.
<v Speaker 1>We'll be pulling from here and there as well. Valve
<v Speaker 1>has announced three new Steam hardware products, which we'll all
<v Speaker 1>be shipping out in early twenty twenty six. Next year,
<v Speaker 1>we'll see the launch of a new Steam Controller, a
<v Speaker 1>Steam Machine for PC gaming, and the Steam Frame VR headset,
<v Speaker 1>with specific launch timing and pricing to be shared after
<v Speaker 1>the first of the year. We will have a conversation
<v Speaker 1>about pricing here at the end of all this Steam Controller.
<v Speaker 1>The Steam Controller is inspired by Valves steam Deck mobile
<v Speaker 1>gaming PC and it includes all the inputs required to.
<v Speaker 3>Play a modern game.
<v Speaker 1>Valve says this controller is equipped with next generation precision
<v Speaker 1>magnetic thumbsticks. It's actually this has improved over hal effects sensors.
<v Speaker 1>They're using TMR, which I think is tunneling magneto resistance.
<v Speaker 1>The thing is like, so the traditional thumbsticks will wear
<v Speaker 1>down everyone else about drift. Hall effect fixes that right.
<v Speaker 1>Hallfac centers can last forever. There are some very subtle,
<v Speaker 1>very minor efficiencies with Hall effect where it's like when
<v Speaker 1>they're made, they have to be so precise with placing
<v Speaker 1>the magnet in there.
<v Speaker 3>Essentially, what is a magnet that.
<v Speaker 1>If it's off by a few micrometers, it could constantly
<v Speaker 1>be having its own inputs. So what they do to
<v Speaker 1>address that jan is they have a larger dead zone
<v Speaker 1>in there. It's not that much larger. It's about the
<v Speaker 1>size of a normal dead zone. It's not that much
<v Speaker 1>of a problem. TMR doesn't have that issue, and it
<v Speaker 1>also enables them to have an even smaller dead zone
<v Speaker 1>so you can have more instant feedback. There's some other improvements,
<v Speaker 1>like the input is a little bit more linear, so
<v Speaker 1>it works a little bit more like you're expecting, although
<v Speaker 1>again it's not like hal effic sensors are a problem,
<v Speaker 1>it's just slightly better than that. It's impressive that they're
<v Speaker 1>immediately going to this though, because this is as far
<v Speaker 1>as gaming applications are concerned, this is a pretty new tech.
<v Speaker 1>This is the kind of thing that you would find
<v Speaker 1>these sensors in military planes for like, how like the
<v Speaker 1>fin or you know the ailerons are are set, Like, okay,
<v Speaker 1>we need to need to know the exact degree of
<v Speaker 1>how that's set. Well, TMR sensors were used in there,
<v Speaker 1>and now it's just starting to come into game controllers,
<v Speaker 1>full size controls, track pads, gyros and grip buttons, and
<v Speaker 1>it's compatible with PC, Steam deck, steam machines and the
<v Speaker 1>Steam frame. It also it's got like its own little
<v Speaker 1>charging puck. Right, Jan, you got the chance to use
<v Speaker 1>this thing, see it? What were your feelings about it?
<v Speaker 2>I was initially a little skeptical grub over the form
<v Speaker 2>factor of the controls because it didn't look the most
<v Speaker 2>ergonomically sound because it is a tall controller. Dan likened
<v Speaker 2>it to the Dreamcast, but upon using it, actually having
<v Speaker 2>it in my hands feels really good. It feels very
<v Speaker 2>comfortable ergonomically. I could see myself using it for an
<v Speaker 2>extended period of time, and as we showed off in
<v Speaker 2>the video grub, just like the Steam Deck, it has
<v Speaker 2>all of the different options to build out different control schemes.
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the most impressive things was the
<v Speaker 2>capacitive touch that is built into the controller.
<v Speaker 1>So the sticks and the grips right, it is like
<v Speaker 1>its okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So it will not only see it when it is
<v Speaker 2>in when you're holding the sticks, but also if with
<v Speaker 2>your other fingers, if you're gripping the controller in certain
<v Speaker 2>control schemes, that will activate the gyro in it, and
<v Speaker 2>then you could use it as like a we mote
<v Speaker 2>or a mouse, and combined with the Steam machine, I
<v Speaker 2>could see that really opening the door for maybe like
<v Speaker 2>point click games. Perhaps you're playing it in like an
<v Speaker 2>old monkey Island or something on a living room. But overall,
<v Speaker 2>the haptics and the rumble in it, they were also
<v Speaker 2>very proud of. And I'm not normally someone that has
<v Speaker 2>haptics on or I generally turned vibration off because my
<v Speaker 2>hands are stupid, but this felt very impressive. It felt
<v Speaker 2>almost like using a dual sense controller, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>the rumble aspect is going to be up to each developer,
<v Speaker 2>but it is nice now for PC gamers to have
<v Speaker 2>that option of very good feedback when it comes to rumble. Also,
<v Speaker 2>it was initially a little bit thrown off because I
<v Speaker 2>think I've gone so used to the Xbox format of
<v Speaker 2>the analog sticks layout analx sticks lay out. But I
<v Speaker 2>think the kind of PlayStation orthodox analog stick layout works
<v Speaker 2>well with the touch pads, and I think the touch
<v Speaker 2>pads are in a very good space. They are underneath
<v Speaker 2>the analog sticks and it feels fairly natural to shift
<v Speaker 2>your thumb over.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Jim, we a little tech issue, but we're back,
<v Speaker 1>I'll say. Just before we get off the Steam controller,
<v Speaker 1>Valve said it has support for up to thirty five
<v Speaker 1>hours of battery life, which is I love to hear
<v Speaker 1>that that it's got a rechargeable with them ion battery.
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the gyros and using the touch to sort
<v Speaker 1>of activate that.
<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, there's some.
<v Speaker 1>Clever ideas there where it's like you can put your
<v Speaker 1>thumb on the sticks to sort of say, hey, I
<v Speaker 1>want to be using gyro right now, or you could
<v Speaker 1>even like have it where it's like it's always on,
<v Speaker 1>and then if you want to like recenterate, you could
<v Speaker 1>just like loosen the grips and then center it again,
<v Speaker 1>regrab the grips and be like okay, now I'm good
<v Speaker 1>to go, and it's like oh, that can just become
<v Speaker 1>second nature very quickly for people who play a lot
<v Speaker 1>of games that way.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, my first application I'm thinking of is I know
<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks will use the gyro aiming in
<v Speaker 2>a game like Splatoon and then they get real tricky
<v Speaker 2>with it. So I can only imagine that application when
<v Speaker 2>you unleash the gyro aiming SI goos out into something
<v Speaker 2>perhaps like I don't know, csgo perhaps or other FPSs
<v Speaker 2>that are out there that you can play through Steam.
<v Speaker 2>I think the one thing we didn't get the chance
<v Speaker 2>to talk about yet though, grub is a little puck
<v Speaker 2>attachment that they acts like as a dongle, So you
<v Speaker 2>can just plug that into the Steam machine or whatever
<v Speaker 2>PC you have and then that'll just help pair the controller. Also,
<v Speaker 2>you know what grub I think, I like puck style
<v Speaker 2>things where you can just crook and attach it and
<v Speaker 2>everything and then it just you could rip it off,
<v Speaker 2>but you can just easily pry it off. It's a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of like a magnetic connection there. Steam. I
<v Speaker 2>think they like magnets.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's cool technology. And then that radio that is
<v Speaker 1>inside the puck is also just built right into the
<v Speaker 1>Steam Machine, so it's going to have native connection to
<v Speaker 1>its own controller. Let's talk about the Steam Machine. Let's
<v Speaker 1>continue here with the description from Darren bamf Use. If
<v Speaker 1>you're looking to bring your PC gaming to your TV,
<v Speaker 1>the Steam Machine looks like it'll be a compact solution.
<v Speaker 1>This roughly six inch cube runs Steam OS and it's
<v Speaker 1>made to work with the Steam controller, and.
<v Speaker 3>Valve says that it also supports other accessories.
<v Speaker 1>So that it can offer versatile PC gaming experiences. And
<v Speaker 1>it has it's open it has USB ports, it's gonna
<v Speaker 1>have Bluetooth. You can connect whatever you want to it
<v Speaker 1>as a controller. This will be available in five hundred
<v Speaker 1>and twelve gigabytes and two terabyte models with room for
<v Speaker 1>a micro SD card to expand storage. And internally, these
<v Speaker 1>have an AMD zen four six core twelve thread CPU,
<v Speaker 1>a semi custom AMD GPU that people are saying is
<v Speaker 1>about equivalent to like a forty sixty or maybe a
<v Speaker 1>seventy seventy I can't remember. It was seven to seventy whatever.
<v Speaker 1>The AMD equivalent is maybe one step up. And then
<v Speaker 1>it has sixteen gigabytes of DDR five RAM, although apparently
<v Speaker 1>only eight gigabytes of that is VRAM. Valve says that
<v Speaker 1>the unit supports four K gaming at sixty frames per
<v Speaker 1>second by using AMD FSR four. That can that it
<v Speaker 1>handles ray tracing stuff a little bit better. Okay, of
<v Speaker 1>six inches, that's like, you know, I'm imagining something that's
<v Speaker 1>like kind of the size of a GameCube. Is it
<v Speaker 1>about the size of a GameCube?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, one hundred percent. For folks out there, they're looking
<v Speaker 2>for a frame of reference. If you have like a
<v Speaker 2>square or a cube tissue box, it is the same
<v Speaker 2>size as one of those. Or if you have a
<v Speaker 2>game cube in your life, it is exactly like one
<v Speaker 2>of those. I think when they pulled it out grub,
<v Speaker 2>I was so excited because, say to the video, but
<v Speaker 2>the thing that I detest the most about modern generation
<v Speaker 2>consoles is how ugo they are and how unimaginative. Unimaginative
<v Speaker 2>but who knew pulling out a heavy not heavy, but
<v Speaker 2>like a cube that I can play my whole Steam
<v Speaker 2>library on would excite me that much. The engineers that
<v Speaker 2>we were chatting with they also mentioned that the micro
<v Speaker 2>SD card that you have in your Steam deck, if
<v Speaker 2>you wind up putting most of your games on there,
<v Speaker 2>you can pop that out and pop that straight into
<v Speaker 2>the Steam machine and it will work completely fine. It
<v Speaker 2>should carry over mostly everything, which is very impressive. The
<v Speaker 2>thing that they love to do when I've gone over
<v Speaker 2>there at Valve is they love showing the other applications
<v Speaker 2>you can use their things for. So they also showed
<v Speaker 2>it off in a desktop mode and it ran perfectly fine.
<v Speaker 2>I was able. I was running Blunder, some coding window
<v Speaker 2>that I have no idea what was happening, and I
<v Speaker 2>was playing Blantro as well, and it was running completely fine.
<v Speaker 1>Some interesting things about this It is.
<v Speaker 3>Not a custom SoC it's not a system on a chip.
<v Speaker 1>They are not putting the CPU and GPU onto one
<v Speaker 1>die and building it that way. These are Bespoke, a
<v Speaker 1>distinct CPUs and GPU, so that's interesting. I guess the
<v Speaker 1>reason they did that is it was a combination of factors.
<v Speaker 1>They were worried about cost obviously, but like the sides
<v Speaker 1>and the heat and just like how easy it would
<v Speaker 1>be to produce. And it's like when they did all that,
<v Speaker 1>they ended up coming up with this solution and it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like it held them back in terms of
<v Speaker 1>being able to create something that is super small, super compact,
<v Speaker 1>and super dense.
<v Speaker 3>That's actually quite impressive.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So in terms of the power, though, we are
<v Speaker 1>talking forty six seventy or seventy six hundred from AMD,
<v Speaker 1>I bet it'll be because it's custom probably because they
<v Speaker 1>are going to be able to really focus and hone
<v Speaker 1>in on the features. I bet we're gonna get performance
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day over time that will outpace.
<v Speaker 3>The things that it's equival equivalent to, but not by
<v Speaker 3>a lot.
<v Speaker 1>That's just gonna because based on the experience with the
<v Speaker 1>Steam Deck of like them being able to get so
<v Speaker 1>much out of that because people are specifically building for
<v Speaker 1>it and they can really focus on improving proton for
<v Speaker 1>that and stuff like that. So it's gonna be pretty powerful.
<v Speaker 1>Six times more powerful than the Steam Deck, they said,
<v Speaker 1>and again with FSR four to help them get up
<v Speaker 1>the four K. You got to see this in you know,
<v Speaker 1>in person running what like Cyberpunk was on the screen
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. What was your takeaway in terms
<v Speaker 1>of the visual quality?
<v Speaker 2>From the visual quality grub, I couldn't discern the difference
<v Speaker 2>from it running on a PC. I will preface this
<v Speaker 2>by saying, my eyeballs are not trained to really know
<v Speaker 2>notice the technical differences when it comes to PC gaming performance.
<v Speaker 2>But based off of all the specs and the demos
<v Speaker 2>that they ran us through, it felt like a causole
<v Speaker 2>experience that I feel like would translate well to someone
<v Speaker 2>trying to dip into Steam for the first time.
<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna be super easy to upgrade this necessarily.
<v Speaker 1>This is supposed to be kind of a self contained thing.
<v Speaker 1>You can add more ram. I think you can obviously
<v Speaker 1>expand the storage. In fact, you could just buy that
<v Speaker 1>five hundred and twelve gigabyte version and put your own
<v Speaker 1>two terabyte SSD in there so you don't have to
<v Speaker 1>pay the whatever price they're they're.
<v Speaker 3>Gonna charge you. They well game.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk more about the pricing in a second, but
<v Speaker 1>they didn't provide a price. You know, there's maybe a
<v Speaker 1>couple other small tidbits like HD my two point zero
<v Speaker 1>instead of two point one, but apparently that's about not
<v Speaker 1>having some specific features that they need to be able
<v Speaker 1>to use. The the HDMI two point one name according
<v Speaker 1>to that consortium or whatever it is, it does support
<v Speaker 1>four k one and twenty frames per second on hertz
<v Speaker 1>and like HDR and free sync and all that stuff,
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's gonna have most of the.
<v Speaker 3>Futures that gamers care about. Wi Fi six ed.
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be pretty fast as that dedicated Bluetooth antenna,
<v Speaker 1>so it's and then it has its own controller stuff,
<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of like radios in there, so
<v Speaker 1>you can get the maximum speed from all these things
<v Speaker 1>without them interfering with one another. And that lends it
<v Speaker 1>leads into the steam frame, which will take advantage of
<v Speaker 1>that be able to connect directly to this thing. But
<v Speaker 1>also the Steam frame comes with its own dongle that
<v Speaker 1>is specifically for streaming VR games to this new VR
<v Speaker 1>headset that is otherwise stand alone. Although jan let me
<v Speaker 1>let me just ask you when you saw this thing,
<v Speaker 1>did you get the sense that they were saying, hey, well,
<v Speaker 1>this is a streaming VR thing first, or a standalone
<v Speaker 1>sort of mediquest thing first.
<v Speaker 2>It's a little hard to say, grub just because they
<v Speaker 2>were I think they were very proud of showing the
<v Speaker 2>streaming tech through the dongle and how you can just
<v Speaker 2>your existing library off of a PC or a laptop
<v Speaker 2>that you do have potentially straight off of your Steam
<v Speaker 2>machine as well, and I can speak to how well
<v Speaker 2>that felt. Hey, I don't know if anyone knows this
<v Speaker 2>Half Life Alex, cool freaking game it turns out. And
<v Speaker 2>I think the headset overall, if anyone out there has
<v Speaker 2>worn a Mediquest three, which I find, or a PSVR two,
<v Speaker 2>those are two headsets that I find to be very comfortable,
<v Speaker 2>this blows it all out of the water. Yeah, just
<v Speaker 2>much lighter, right, Yeah, just in terms of how light
<v Speaker 2>it is. Dan did get the chance to play Eighties
<v Speaker 2>two in another VR game straight off of the headset,
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think he had there was any discernible
<v Speaker 2>differences for him when he was checking those two games out,
<v Speaker 2>because he was just playing those on like a couch
<v Speaker 2>set up that they had, and on top of that,
<v Speaker 2>it was also streaming out to another monitor, so I
<v Speaker 2>could see what Dan was seeing. Yeah, gub it is
<v Speaker 2>a very comfortable headset to where and for folks that
<v Speaker 2>wear glasses out there, it is a good one of
<v Speaker 2>those for us.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's fantastic to hear.
<v Speaker 1>Let's I'm gonna read some of the stuff from Darren Bondhus
<v Speaker 1>before I hone in on things that I'm really surprised
<v Speaker 1>and excited about. The steam Frame is a VR headset
<v Speaker 1>that can stream VR and non VR games. Designed to
<v Speaker 1>be comfortable and featuring a lightweight construction. It's powered by
<v Speaker 1>a snap Dragon processor, so it's ARM and runs Steam
<v Speaker 1>OS on ARM. It also supports standalone play and full
<v Speaker 1>controller input support for PCVR and non VR games. The
<v Speaker 1>headset has a twenty one sixty by twenty one sixty
<v Speaker 1>LCD per I and a one hundred and ten degree
<v Speaker 1>field of view with a seventy two to one hundred
<v Speaker 1>and forty four hertz refresh rate. It has sixteen gigabytes
<v Speaker 1>of RAM and will be available in two hundred and
<v Speaker 1>fifty six gigabytes and on one terabyte storage models. Storage
<v Speaker 1>capacity can also be expanded with micro SD. Does this
<v Speaker 1>do the same thing where if you kick the micro SD?
<v Speaker 3>Okay?
<v Speaker 2>So, Another thing that it is very apparent Grub that
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of care into the design of
<v Speaker 2>this is the face cushions are held on by magnets
<v Speaker 2>that you can easily take off cool and underneath the
<v Speaker 2>padding are is a micro s dport where you again
<v Speaker 2>you can take it from your steam Deck steam machine
<v Speaker 2>and slot that bad boy into there and it should
<v Speaker 2>just carry over everything as long as you have everything
<v Speaker 2>linked up like you're logged in as your account on
<v Speaker 2>the Steam frame, et cetera.
<v Speaker 1>It will come with controllers that have six degrees of freedom.
<v Speaker 1>That's what DOFF stands for tracking capacity, finger sensing like
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about before. Obviously that's even more important
<v Speaker 1>in VR those same I'm assuming magnetic thumbsticks, the tmrs,
<v Speaker 1>the style thumbsticks, and a battery life of up to
<v Speaker 1>forty hours when using olhways, yeah, this is still right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>when using double A batteries for that's for the controllers.
<v Speaker 1>We've been super happy the success of the steam Deck
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of feedback we've received from gamers about it,
<v Speaker 1>and it is what has encouraged us to expand the
<v Speaker 1>options for Steam users. They said, you talked to them.
<v Speaker 1>They kind of repeated a lot of that stuff. I'll
<v Speaker 1>get to here real quick. Breezy Caesar, as a question,
<v Speaker 1>would you get steam os on your phone mobile cross
<v Speaker 1>play workaround looking at you, Bilantro. So yeah, this is
<v Speaker 1>super interesting, not just because they're making their own VR
<v Speaker 1>standalone headset after making a VR headset previously, they're still
<v Speaker 1>interested in VR, the fact that this is a Snapdragon
<v Speaker 1>eight like Jen eight, I believe, which is in a
<v Speaker 1>ton of these like Chinese handheld devices. There's specifically when
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of I can't remember the name of, but
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I think that's the same exec processor that's
<v Speaker 1>in both these things, And that means Steam OS with
<v Speaker 1>Proton with all these abilities like built in to run
<v Speaker 1>your Steam library will now work on potentially could work
<v Speaker 1>on Android phones and a variety of other devices that
<v Speaker 1>all have armed chips. And that's really really cool because
<v Speaker 1>you know not that that stuff is not possible already.
<v Speaker 1>There are like there's win I can remember there's a
<v Speaker 1>Windows translation layer that WIN later I think it is.
<v Speaker 1>You can get that on on Google Play right now,
<v Speaker 1>and it's a little bit of a hassle. There are
<v Speaker 1>other versions of that idea that are a little bit
<v Speaker 1>more streamlined, but of course none of them are going
<v Speaker 1>to be a streamlined as Steam Os. And it's like,
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if there's a world even jan where we
<v Speaker 1>see Valve make their own phone, their own gaming phone.
<v Speaker 1>Because I bet that Steam app on your on your
<v Speaker 1>phone right now that I use occasionally to buy a game,
<v Speaker 1>or to talk to a friend or.
<v Speaker 3>To set something up.
<v Speaker 1>I bet that's going to be a thing where you
<v Speaker 1>now you can click on a game and it will
<v Speaker 1>just start playing. Uh down the line, because they'll be
<v Speaker 1>they'll be able to put all the translation stuff into
<v Speaker 1>that app directly, especially now that the regulation around having
<v Speaker 1>third party stores on your phones has really tightened up
<v Speaker 1>and enabled those companies to do that. So things are
<v Speaker 1>kind of lining up for something along those lines. That's
<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting stuff. Did you get the sense that they
<v Speaker 1>have all these ideas in mind or something along those lines, grub.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Because when they were introducing even the concept of
<v Speaker 2>the Steam Controller to us, they were talking about how
<v Speaker 2>it is built on. They've taken all of the learnings
<v Speaker 2>from everything they've done before, so that and I'm talking
<v Speaker 2>about the original Steam controllers with the two big honkin
<v Speaker 2>touch pads on them in place of some of the
<v Speaker 2>face buttons or instead of the sticks, I believe, and
<v Speaker 2>every iteration from the Steam Deck to the Steam controller,
<v Speaker 2>like the little Steam PC thing that they had Steamlink
<v Speaker 2>from a couple of years ago. All of their learnings
<v Speaker 2>they've taken into consideration to building the next thing that
<v Speaker 2>they're building. And also it feels like they're building things
<v Speaker 2>for what their audience would want and also what they want.
<v Speaker 2>So the very passionate reeks out there over at Steam
<v Speaker 2>or at Valve, I could easily see them thinking, oh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I would want to be I want I
<v Speaker 2>would want the ability to play games on my phone.
<v Speaker 2>Why don't we make a phone?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, at the very least, like, just get steam
<v Speaker 1>oles to a point where I can install this thing
<v Speaker 1>on my A Y n thor and suddenly that device
<v Speaker 1>just is like even better and and hopefully make it
<v Speaker 1>so the steam less is an easily sort of modifiable
<v Speaker 1>tool that people could be like, oh no, here's the
<v Speaker 1>fork that is perfect for ayn thor that understands the
<v Speaker 1>dual screens and just handles that stuff naturally. Yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 1>excited about the possibility for that.
<v Speaker 3>All this stuff, really though, is.
<v Speaker 1>In my wheelhouse, and I you know, we could talk
<v Speaker 1>about like, hey, well, how's the steam machine compare to
<v Speaker 1>what Microsoft might be planning for the new Xbox. I
<v Speaker 1>don't think Xbox is like at any more risk because
<v Speaker 1>this thing exists than they were already at. However, I
<v Speaker 1>can I know for a fact how I feel, jam
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I would rather have this thing
<v Speaker 1>than any weird half measure half step Xbox PC thing
<v Speaker 1>that still has fucking Microsoft teams on it.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, one hundred percent grub I something I did cut
<v Speaker 2>out of the video several times is when we were
<v Speaker 2>doing our predictions, and then when we were talking to
<v Speaker 2>the devs, I did try and incept the idea of
<v Speaker 2>a watch.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, Jan, you're doing You're doing the work. Huh yepstalk,
<v Speaker 3>you're doing the work.
<v Speaker 2>Come out. The watch dog is here, y'all. Don't worry.
<v Speaker 2>I'm still out here on.
<v Speaker 3>The streets steam os watch. I'll listen. I'll get it.
<v Speaker 1>If they make it, I will. I will buy it, Jan,
<v Speaker 1>I promise you that. There you go, all right? Any
<v Speaker 1>final things from like from you know, these three devices?
<v Speaker 1>I guess they did use the number three to say
<v Speaker 1>we have three pieces of hardware? Was there a sniff
<v Speaker 1>of what is now the much rumored coming of Half
<v Speaker 1>Life three? Like I thought there was a chance, maybe
<v Speaker 1>you'll come back and tell me you saw that. They're
<v Speaker 1>still not talking about that if that's real, although I
<v Speaker 1>think it might still pop up here any minute.
<v Speaker 3>Was there any hint or any teases anything along those lines.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, grub, I can't read them at all.
<v Speaker 2>For as polite and nice and knowledgeable as they all are,
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they probably have the best poker faces
<v Speaker 2>in the industry, because you know, tinfoil hat on. Like
<v Speaker 2>you said, they're showing three things. The primary demo on
<v Speaker 2>the Steam frame, half Life, Alex, Come on, guys, follow
<v Speaker 2>the bread crumbs. What's going on.
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft's Phil Spencer did comment on this and says, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we're one of the biggest publishers on Steam, so we
<v Speaker 1>love this. And for sure because I again I think
<v Speaker 1>I would just talk about it from the terms of
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the forecast for the future of Xbox hardware,
<v Speaker 1>and again I don't think it has much of an
<v Speaker 1>effect on that, primarily because they have now put any
<v Speaker 1>of these Steam hardware devices into retail stores, and that's
<v Speaker 1>going to be a big hurdle. You're going to be
<v Speaker 1>able to find an Xbox at Target and Best Buy,
<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be very different.
<v Speaker 3>But let's say all things were equal.
<v Speaker 1>In that case, maybe Steam Machine eats into it a
<v Speaker 1>little bit, but even then I wouldn't be like worried
<v Speaker 1>about the Xbox more than I already am. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like how I feel, it's like I
<v Speaker 1>know that this thing is.
<v Speaker 3>More for me.
<v Speaker 2>I think for people like us grub and people in
<v Speaker 2>our audience to community, this is incredibly appealing. And then
<v Speaker 2>this can also act as a gateway device for those
<v Speaker 2>extra non PC oriented people in our lives that are
<v Speaker 2>that have been intimidated. Even with how easy it is
<v Speaker 2>to get into PC game now with the Steam Deck
<v Speaker 2>and with gaming laptops available at your cost cos and whatnot,
<v Speaker 2>this is definitely a device that can help bring people
<v Speaker 2>over and let them see the light of PC games
<v Speaker 2>and what digital games go on sale.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, uh, So we'll talk about the price, but first
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<v Speaker 1>It's games Morning's Janicho at Jeff Grub Let's get back
<v Speaker 1>into the Valve hardware stuff. Valve won't put a price
<v Speaker 1>on the Steam Machine yet, it says it'll be really
<v Speaker 1>competitive with the price of building a similar PC. This
<v Speaker 1>is from Alex Hopley at Game Reactor. I think they're
<v Speaker 1>framing there of similar PC and not equivalent console is
<v Speaker 1>going to be important. This thing is going to land
<v Speaker 1>more on the PC side of things in terms of pricing,
<v Speaker 1>is my guess. Valves taking a bit of a gamble
<v Speaker 1>reintroducing us to the Steam Machine. As was announced yesterday,
<v Speaker 1>it's the headlining piece of a new round of heart
<v Speaker 1>where from Valve, releasing early next year the Gabe Cube,
<v Speaker 1>which there's a lot of fun to answer this thing.
<v Speaker 1>I like that one, as some have called it looks
<v Speaker 1>like a neat little box. But the one question on
<v Speaker 1>everyone's lips is how much will it cost. Valve isn't
<v Speaker 1>quite ready to reveal that just yet, but in a
<v Speaker 1>conversation with IG and hardware engineer Jason Alda Hayat said
<v Speaker 1>the price is competitive if you were planning to build
<v Speaker 1>a PC with similar specifications, you're trying to make a
<v Speaker 1>PC that has similar features and similar performance. I think
<v Speaker 1>the steam Machine is going to be really competitive, be
<v Speaker 1>at a really competitive price to.
<v Speaker 3>That, and provide really good value to it, he said.
<v Speaker 1>The affordability piece you mentioned is one of the reasons
<v Speaker 1>why we think a steam machine makes a lot of
<v Speaker 1>sense right now. So it's just something that we thought
<v Speaker 1>about every time we made it. A hardware decision, a
<v Speaker 1>feature decision is to make sure that we keep it
<v Speaker 1>as approachable and as affordable as possible. So, yeah, did
<v Speaker 1>you get a chance to ask them about this? Did
<v Speaker 1>they make it sound like like we're thinking of this
<v Speaker 1>as a PC and PC pricing?
<v Speaker 2>When the topic of pricing came up, it was definitely
<v Speaker 2>a conversation that they were not quite ready to have
<v Speaker 2>at this point in time. However, that being said, grub
<v Speaker 2>the language was like, Ah, you know, we're kind of
<v Speaker 2>aiming towards the more of like an entry level PC
<v Speaker 2>price rather than Steam deck prices, And with all things considered,
<v Speaker 2>of all the guts inside that little cube, I think
<v Speaker 2>that does make sense. Yeah, I could see it.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe my own comfort levels of paying up to seven hundred.
<v Speaker 1>That's where I'm at. So my my like for the
<v Speaker 1>base model starting between six hundred and seven hundred. I
<v Speaker 1>think we're probably talking six fifty for that five hundred
<v Speaker 1>and twelve gigabyte model.
<v Speaker 3>We'll see it could be more than that.
<v Speaker 1>There's a bunch of reasons why I think they're talking
<v Speaker 1>about the PC as the anchor point here. Big one
<v Speaker 1>is unlike the Steam Deck, this thing is clearly a piece,
<v Speaker 1>clearly something you can boot up into desktop mode. You
<v Speaker 1>could if you were running a small company, you running
<v Speaker 1>a mid sized company, you're running a big company, and
<v Speaker 1>you need to have computers for your office. You could
<v Speaker 1>easily buy ten thousand of these things. And then all
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden it's like, well, now it's being used
<v Speaker 1>in offices and the subsidized effect of people buying these
<v Speaker 1>things to buy games doesn't come into play there.
<v Speaker 3>So's I can see why the price needs to be
<v Speaker 3>a little bit higher.
<v Speaker 2>So Grub, here's I'm glad you mentioned this. I've been
<v Speaker 2>waiting to bring this up. One of the things that
<v Speaker 2>we talked about with the Steam devs is the possibility
<v Speaker 2>of he's just being someone's PC perhaps, right, And then
<v Speaker 2>I brought up the idea of, huh, what have I
<v Speaker 2>just used like a fleet of steam machines as production computers.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we build your own render farm exactly.
<v Speaker 2>So I have like a series of three cubes. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm like mister Terrific from the Superman movie or DC Comics,
<v Speaker 2>just sitting there producing a live stream, and the lovely
<v Speaker 2>people We're like, oh, yeah, yeah, you could do that.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, They're not going to stop you, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's computer. You could put whatever you want
<v Speaker 1>on it. They said them a million times about it.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And then as people in chatter pointing out and I
<v Speaker 1>think we are on like a four or five episode
<v Speaker 1>streak of mentioning this factoid. RAM prices are really rough
<v Speaker 1>right now. They've at least doubled like a kind of
<v Speaker 1>across the board, and it sounds like that's not going
<v Speaker 1>to stop anytime soon.
<v Speaker 3>Going through next year.
<v Speaker 1>The expectation, according to the industry and analyst is RAM
<v Speaker 1>prices will continue to be high and could push even higher.
<v Speaker 1>As always will point out, that is due to the
<v Speaker 1>industry that produces RAM, the companies like sk Hihnez, Samsung, Micron.
<v Speaker 3>I think those are the three major ones.
<v Speaker 1>They have been investing their time and money into the
<v Speaker 1>AI side of the RAM, which is a different kind
<v Speaker 1>of RAM, but they are investing their time and money there,
<v Speaker 1>so everything else is being kind of left behind, and
<v Speaker 1>that means that even as demand increases over there, they
<v Speaker 1>can't meet that demand.
<v Speaker 3>They're not interested in meeting that demand. So yes, it's just.
<v Speaker 1>A very obvious if you look at the situation, those
<v Speaker 1>prices will continue to go higher. So this thing, this
<v Speaker 1>thing could be a little bit more expensive than we're
<v Speaker 1>even talking about right now because memory is already one
<v Speaker 1>of the more expensive components in a system, and that's
<v Speaker 1>not going to go away as this thing as these
<v Speaker 1>prices continue to go up.
<v Speaker 3>Six hundred to seven hundred.
<v Speaker 1>Though, if they can narrow, if they can get there,
<v Speaker 1>I think this thing will do really well. It'll be
<v Speaker 1>one of the best selling computers you know of recent times.
<v Speaker 1>All that stuff, cause I think that the everything's sort
<v Speaker 1>of in place now. The reason steam machines originally, I
<v Speaker 1>think it was twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, about ten years ago.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't work because steam Os wasn't ready and it
<v Speaker 1>was all focused on Linux versions of games, and while
<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of those, there weren't weren't enough.
<v Speaker 3>And now everything just works, and it's because Valve.
<v Speaker 1>And others in the Open Source Committee have done a
<v Speaker 1>ton of work on Proton and Windows translation layers, and
<v Speaker 1>so it's like things have just changed so much that
<v Speaker 1>now Linux as a gaming platform is ready to go.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that they're we're at a point where
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are going to be ready to
<v Speaker 1>jump in that direction, because it feels like with all
<v Speaker 1>these announcements JAM and the success of the Steam Deck
<v Speaker 1>and the kind of weird feelings around everything else, and
<v Speaker 1>price is going up on hardware left and right, people
<v Speaker 1>are going to be looking for a long term sort
<v Speaker 1>of home base for gaming, and Valve and PC gaming
<v Speaker 1>feels like the most sturdy rock in a very shaky pool, right.
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent grub. Especially with how console prices have
<v Speaker 2>been fluctuating, I can see the case of fomo building up.
<v Speaker 2>If you didn't get a PS five at launch, you
<v Speaker 2>initially have the fomo of that, but now seeing the
<v Speaker 2>price steadily climb up as time goes on for a
<v Speaker 2>five year old console, it should be mentioned. I could
<v Speaker 2>see that the fomo rising in terms of like Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I should buy it now before it gets more expensive,
<v Speaker 2>or it completely stopping someone from wanting to pick up
<v Speaker 2>a PS five to begin with. And the value that
<v Speaker 2>the steam machine has is it is a new thing
<v Speaker 2>versus an old thing that is a PS five or
<v Speaker 2>an existing xbox.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is gonna be a kind of thing
<v Speaker 1>where until we get it at home and can really
<v Speaker 1>put it through its paces, there's gonna be a lot
<v Speaker 1>of questions about it. People are gonna wonder about the
<v Speaker 1>price to value, and you know, I think there's plenty
<v Speaker 1>of things to get hung up on. I imagine every time
<v Speaker 1>this comes up now, like I've seeing chat like Matt
<v Speaker 1>Susie and Chet's like it's already dated. It feels because
<v Speaker 1>it's that eight gigabytes of video RAM, it's going to
<v Speaker 1>really stick out to people. You know, for me, it's
<v Speaker 1>always about the real world use cases, real world performance.
<v Speaker 1>What does it actually feel like? The numbers are always
<v Speaker 1>less than half the story.
<v Speaker 3>They're going to have.
<v Speaker 1>Done a lot of work on this thing, and if
<v Speaker 1>it becomes like steam Deck, where developers begin optimizing their
<v Speaker 1>games for this device, those numbers will matter less and less,
<v Speaker 1>although of course there will always be situations where it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>this game did need those sixteen gigabytes of RAM, so
<v Speaker 1>what are we doing here? All right, we got to
<v Speaker 1>move on, but let's hit this last thing from Valve.
<v Speaker 1>They have a pretty good idea of what steam Deck
<v Speaker 1>two is going to be, but it's not ready to
<v Speaker 1>talk about it yet or say anything. They said obviously
<v Speaker 1>the steam Decks not our focus today, but the same
<v Speaker 1>things we've said in the past, where we've been where
<v Speaker 1>we're really interested to work on what's next for steam Deck.
<v Speaker 1>The thing we're making sure of is that it's a
<v Speaker 1>worthwhile enough performance upgrade to make sense as a standalone product.
<v Speaker 1>We're not interested in getting to a point where it's
<v Speaker 1>twenty to thirty or even fifty percent more performance at
<v Speaker 1>the same battery life. We want something a little bit
<v Speaker 1>more demarketed than that shouts out to lines of demarcation.
<v Speaker 1>I think that I was kind of getting ahead of
<v Speaker 1>myself a little bit jam when I was reading about
<v Speaker 1>the steam Frame.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, the next steam Deck is going to be
<v Speaker 3>an ARM based processor.
<v Speaker 1>But I think if they did that, they would end
<v Speaker 1>up with something that is fifty percent more performant and
<v Speaker 1>then has way better battery life, and maybe they'd be
<v Speaker 1>cool with that, but the way they're talking about it,
<v Speaker 1>probably not yet. So maybe we're talking like steam Deck
<v Speaker 1>three or steam Deck Light like five six years from now.
<v Speaker 1>But either way, like they clearly, after all of this
<v Speaker 1>work on this other hardware, are using all this information
<v Speaker 1>to inform them of what the steam Deck two is
<v Speaker 1>really gonna be.
<v Speaker 3>And did you get that sense.
<v Speaker 1>Of like, oh, they're super confident about where they're headed
<v Speaker 1>with all these things.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the common sentiment around was like, oh, crap, we're
<v Speaker 2>also a hardware company now, Huh. I guess, I guess
<v Speaker 2>that's a thing that happened. But it is a happily
<v Speaker 2>happy stumbling into from the vibe that I was getting
<v Speaker 2>from talking to the employees at Valve. The other thing
<v Speaker 2>is that became apparent is that there's no external pressure
<v Speaker 2>to have to churn out a new annual edition of
<v Speaker 2>a steam Deck, Like they don't need to. Twenty twenty
<v Speaker 2>six is going to roll around, and they don't feel
<v Speaker 2>the need to churn out a version of the machine
<v Speaker 2>with incremental improvements versus like waiting and honing in all
<v Speaker 2>the information that they've taken in to build something that
<v Speaker 2>they feel like should be properly called the steam Deck
<v Speaker 2>two or whatever the next steam Deck is. So again,
<v Speaker 2>I trust the people at Valve. When they want to
<v Speaker 2>make something, they will put it out.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get through the rest of these stories
<v Speaker 1>now that we don't don't have much time left. The
<v Speaker 1>next Ratchet Clank game is a free to play multiplayer shooter.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Andy Robinson at VGC. Wait no, yeah, it's.
<v Speaker 3>Even more than that.
<v Speaker 1>Sony Interactive Entertainment has announced a new Ratchet and Clank game,
<v Speaker 1>and it's a multiplayer shooter for mobile. Ratchet and Clank
<v Speaker 1>Ranger Rumble is a fast paced multiplayer platform or arena
<v Speaker 1>shooter published by PlayStation and developed by Obibi o Bibbi. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there we go in partnership with Insomniac. Play as legendary
<v Speaker 1>heroes from across the galaxy, and I'm customized your ranger
<v Speaker 1>and unleash you were skilled in chaotic game modes. Just
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a game that they slapped a license on.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's more than that, but that's what it feels like. Look,
<v Speaker 1>the reality is that studio is busy, so we weren't
<v Speaker 1>gonna get any other like real Ratchet right now. Is
<v Speaker 1>this a case of it's better this than nothing or not?
<v Speaker 1>Jan No, No, it's not better grub, it's not.
<v Speaker 2>They won't do anything with Sly Cooper, Jacket Deckster have
<v Speaker 2>been waiting at the wigs. They'll bring out Ratchet at
<v Speaker 2>Klai like occasionally, and this is what they do to
<v Speaker 2>the this PlayStation. What the fuck these are? This is
<v Speaker 2>like you're hauling out like Terry Funk and then like
<v Speaker 2>you're just throwing him through tables and glass.
<v Speaker 1>Why it's a mean thing to do to Terry Funk.
<v Speaker 1>Sony stop that. Yeah, Hey, we'll see. I know that
<v Speaker 1>most of chat is saying this game basically already doesn't
<v Speaker 1>exist to me, and I know that's where I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>end up falling as well. But maybe it's a good
<v Speaker 1>sign that they're like willing to continue to do this
<v Speaker 1>with Ratchet and Clank. Maybe that means that they're not
<v Speaker 1>going to let Marvel Games completely consume Insomniac, But who knows.
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Sony games from Out of Nowhere, Horizon Steel
<v Speaker 1>Frontiers and MMO RPG from NCSoft has been announced for
<v Speaker 1>PCM mobile. This is from Jordan Midler at VGC. NCSoft
<v Speaker 1>has announced Horizon Steel Frontiers, a new MMO RPG based
<v Speaker 1>on Sony's Horizon franchise, announced that g Star twenty twenty five.
<v Speaker 1>The game is being developed in collaboration with the original
<v Speaker 1>Horizon developer Gorilla. The game is planned for mobile and
<v Speaker 1>PC via NCsoft's Purple app. Set in the lands of
<v Speaker 1>the Machine Hunters known as the dead Lands, the game
<v Speaker 1>builds on Horizon signature hunting action gameplay while introducing new
<v Speaker 1>or and introducing advanced MMO RPG systems featuring deeply customizable
<v Speaker 1>combat and extensive player freedom. It looks like Horizon, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Forbidden West or whatever, but an MMO. Excuse me, sneezed.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who's calling for this, but this is
<v Speaker 1>a big franchise for them, something they've invested a lot into.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. How do you feel about a jan Grub.
<v Speaker 2>It's well documented how majority of us feel about Horizon.
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't need an MMO of Horizon. I
<v Speaker 2>don't have the appetite for it, Grub. I think the
<v Speaker 2>last time I was interested in the franchise was maybe
<v Speaker 2>that VR game, just because you would use a peton
<v Speaker 2>and like the cool rock climbing little hooky things. I
<v Speaker 2>don't have any interest in it, but I hope the
<v Speaker 2>Horizon secos are excited.
<v Speaker 1>Say, just looking at it, I'm like five seconds here
<v Speaker 1>as I try to like get more information about I
<v Speaker 1>watched this earlier, but while I was getting ready, but
<v Speaker 1>I didn't.
<v Speaker 3>I guess I didn't pay enough attention.
<v Speaker 1>It looks a lot like Monster Hunter, I think, which
<v Speaker 1>makes sense that they would just try to do that.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Let's see here, Let's keep going. They
<v Speaker 3>do think more are they?
<v Speaker 1>The more Horizon games are coming, including a non MMO
<v Speaker 1>multiplayer game. This is from Eddie McCoo at GameSpot, Sony
<v Speaker 1>and nc softter making a new Horizon MMO, but it's
<v Speaker 1>not the only entering the series in the works right now,
<v Speaker 1>it seems. Gorilla Games said that the studio is busy
<v Speaker 1>working on new experiences where players can hunt machines in
<v Speaker 1>the world of Horizon, and they have more on that
<v Speaker 1>to come. Gorilla has not announced any new Horizon game,
<v Speaker 1>but it's been reported for some time now that the
<v Speaker 1>developer is making a multiplayer Horizon game. They're also likely
<v Speaker 1>making the next real multi verse single player adventure.
<v Speaker 3>Game, Horizon.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it does seem like it's working for them,
<v Speaker 1>even if we're not super into it is part of
<v Speaker 1>I guess do you think it can sustain all of
<v Speaker 1>this though?
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the problem, Grub is that I feel like
<v Speaker 2>the people that are into Horizon really like and these
<v Speaker 2>other games may not feature Aloi as a primary character,
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how strong or fleshed out the
<v Speaker 2>world of Horizon is outside of her lens. So, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it has a very strong and distinct look to it,
<v Speaker 2>and how all of the robot animals look. But I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that carries that interest carries over to
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the audience that is really into Horizon.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, me neither. I'm sure we'll get more soon on this.
<v Speaker 1>They'll probably let this MMO come out first, and then
<v Speaker 1>in the wake of that, I thought the' ussome news
<v Speaker 1>about the rest of the games. PlayStation is going to
<v Speaker 1>drop the price of PS five models across to Europe
<v Speaker 1>by at least one hundred euros for Black Friday. The
<v Speaker 1>PS five standard edition will be four forty nine. It
<v Speaker 1>was five forty nine PS five Digital Edition will be
<v Speaker 1>three forty nine was four ninety nine, and PS five
<v Speaker 1>Pro will be six ninety nine where it was previously
<v Speaker 1>seven nine.
<v Speaker 3>Again, that's all in.
<v Speaker 1>Euro and I guess that's one of the benefits for
<v Speaker 1>this company when they raise prices are one of the
<v Speaker 1>many benefits is they can now afford to do discounts again,
<v Speaker 1>where previously was like, we're at the lowest price that
<v Speaker 1>we're comfortable with. I guess PlayStation five got quite a
<v Speaker 1>few discounts early on when they were really trying to
<v Speaker 1>hit some numbers.
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know, this feels like, Okay, great, we
<v Speaker 3>can go back.
<v Speaker 1>To the prices we were maybe previously paying because you've
<v Speaker 1>increased prices so many times. However, I bet it does
<v Speaker 1>function well for them, especially with people still trying to
<v Speaker 1>get these systems in time for Grand Theft Auto six
<v Speaker 1>and now sure they have more time, but people know
<v Speaker 1>these prices could keep going up. And then finally, Analog
<v Speaker 1>three D is shipping that two hundred and fifty dollars
<v Speaker 1>sixty four FPGA device. It's going to begin shipping November eighteenth.
<v Speaker 1>I got my notification.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, congratulations, Gret.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like Hey, yeah, there's things going to ship,
<v Speaker 1>so that was great to see. All right, that does
<v Speaker 1>it for the headlines. Let's get to the poll question
<v Speaker 1>from yesterday.
<v Speaker 3>I have it right here.
<v Speaker 1>Let me just refresh to make sure I have the
<v Speaker 1>freshest numbers great PlayStation state of Play Japan ABC or
<v Speaker 1>D or lower. I went with a C, as did
<v Speaker 1>forty four percent of respondents. The next highest was D
<v Speaker 1>or lower at thirty two percent. Then twenty one percent
<v Speaker 1>of respondents gave it a B and four percent gave
<v Speaker 1>it an A. You know, these state of plays always
<v Speaker 1>kind of have a lot going against them that they
<v Speaker 1>are more commercials than even some of these other kind
<v Speaker 1>of events that we get where it's a lot of
<v Speaker 1>it is, hey, these games exist, you should remember them.
<v Speaker 1>We have your attention, we're going to sell them to you.
<v Speaker 1>And then that means they always live and die on
<v Speaker 1>the biggest, newest, freshest announcements and state of plays. There's
<v Speaker 1>no guarantee you're really going to get a lot of those.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, people weren't super thrilled. And really the big
<v Speaker 1>announcement was a cheaper Japanese only PlayStation five, and that
<v Speaker 1>doesn't affect.
<v Speaker 3>Most of this audience. Infact, it excludes them in a
<v Speaker 3>key in key ways. All right, that is that poll question.
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to the new poll question here in a
<v Speaker 1>second effect. Actually, let's just do it right now. Are
<v Speaker 1>you getting a new steam machine?
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Or no?
<v Speaker 1>I know that the response this will primarily be it
<v Speaker 1>will depend on the price. I just like answer right
<v Speaker 1>now based on your gut feeling. And then once we
<v Speaker 1>get the price, we'll ask again and see how things go. So,
<v Speaker 1>are you getting a steam machine?
<v Speaker 3>Yes or no? We'll get the results of that.
<v Speaker 1>Talk about it on Gay Mess Mornings here on Giant
<v Speaker 1>Bomb tomorrow speaking a Giant Bomb, jan it's Thursday. We've
<v Speaker 1>got voicemail, dump truck. Maybe me and Dan might have
<v Speaker 1>time for a run at some point.
<v Speaker 3>We'll see. And then tomorrow it's going to be you know,
<v Speaker 3>upf and a few other things.
<v Speaker 1>Well, people, get ready to go to Dan's for Saturday
<v Speaker 1>where we're going to do extra life.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we got Billy Meyers on the dump truck. Later
<v Speaker 2>today tomorrow, I believe we're gonna do cod Block seven
<v Speaker 2>for unprofessional Fridays. And we all know how I perform
<v Speaker 2>and call of duty. I'm going to carry the team.
<v Speaker 3>Baby, yeah, let's go.
<v Speaker 2>But yes, Also for folks that missed it, please please
<v Speaker 2>please please go check out the video that Dan and
<v Speaker 2>I did when we visited Valve and je's really good.
<v Speaker 2>All of these new Steam thangs.
<v Speaker 1>I'll say, it's I'm glad that we are business to
<v Speaker 1>works the way it does where we don't have to
<v Speaker 1>play the numbers game necessarily. But it's always great to
<v Speaker 1>get a lot.
<v Speaker 3>Of views on YouTube.
<v Speaker 1>But the people in our community who are watching that
<v Speaker 1>video chant, they are in love with it, and it's like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>well we work for them, Like well, that's our primary
<v Speaker 1>business is people who support us directly, so we can
<v Speaker 1>just make stuff directly for them.
<v Speaker 3>And I think you nailed it, so really really great work.
<v Speaker 1>All Right, we got the new poll question out of
<v Speaker 1>the way, We got the Hey, what's happening for the
<v Speaker 1>rest of the week by the way, So now I say,
<v Speaker 1>jan Ochoa, thank you so much for hanging out with
<v Speaker 1>me and talking about video games. Man, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>It is the best way to start a Thursday.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for watching and listening. You are the
<v Speaker 1>best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one,
<v Speaker 1>Take care of yourself, goodbye meaning blinding band, being doub