Hour 1 – TNF Reaction, Open Season on Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: We were trying to come up with a T shirt yesterday about Todd's driving, and he doesn't, you know, move from the left lane the passing lane, and I thought, you know, maybe passhole would be a good T shirt. I don't know how you guys stand with that, gutsy, but we moved on from that. I think we've all learned that left lane is the passing lane. Get in the middle lane and let those people who want to zoom by you zoom by.

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Speaker 3: Stop camping putes away, go find a campsite the film.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Todd is here, Seaton's here, Marvin's here, Pauli's here, and yours truly and the back room, guys, it's a meat Friday, and I know you're wondering. We are going to have grilled rib eyes, strip steaks, filet mignon, barbecue, pork chops, bacon, brussels no yet, meet, no one, Brussell's sprouts, and we have polenta lovely. All of our meats our courtesy of Heartland Steak Company. But if you're going to the website Heartland steakc dot com, yes time now was that.

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Speaker 3: The menu for the next month or two.

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Speaker 2: What did you just set a lot there? That's all happening today. It's all happening today. It's a meat Friday, all right. Come on in, stay awhile. Merchandise store open for business and we'll decide on that T shirt. By the end of the show, we'll come up with that T shirt that'll be available just for the weekend. If you would like to purchase a T shirt that well, we'll and remembrance of Todd Fritz in the left lane.

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Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out if passhole is acceptable to say.

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Speaker 4: But good for you.

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Speaker 5: I think we've got two of them here for you for the first hour. From Paul NFL franchise that feels least competitive year to year?

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Speaker 2: Is this Recncy bias here with the Arizona Cardinals a little bit.

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Speaker 6: It's like a feel when you watch a team or a franchise year to year, they just feel like they're going to disappoint and the Cardinals are possibly a one seed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, they tend to find the banana peal. Now they've had some hot starts, you know where, first half of the season, and then all of a sudden they cooled off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I if I agree about that on the Cardinals, because they there's always a little bit of Man, if they could figure this out though, if Kyler Murray can figure this out, if Man they get they just get a superstar wide receiver, maybe they could figure that. There's always a little bit like Man, they're like a they're right there about being super competitive and then it just doesn't work. They're not the Browns.

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Speaker 2: Would you well, okay, would you rather be a Cardinal fan or a Browns fan? Cardinals fan all day? All right, Todd, I think I'd rather be.

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Speaker 3: A Browns fan because you've got the dog pound and people who look genuinely passionate about their team. Arizona, they're in the sun and the desert. I don't know, you know, they took shots to the stateium. I don'lso really see that Arizona sports fan crazy passion that I'd want to be surrounded by.

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Speaker 4: At the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Well, sun and desert don't impact the game, because no, But.

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Speaker 3: Like there's other things to do. When you're enjoying the sunshine, you're kind of mellow. You don't hear about the crazy Arizona fans then much, but you do hear about the dog.

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Speaker 2: Fan, Marvin Cardinal fan or Browns fan.

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Speaker 4: Rather be a Cardinals fan, all right, Paul, this is a tough one.

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Speaker 6: The Cardinals have made the postseason six times in the past forty years. That's a whole horrible percentage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather be a Browns fan.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Browns fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 6: Fritzy had a point. They feel more into football. Yeah, there's passion there as a franchise. Yes, not the fan base.

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Speaker 2: I'm not big on. Well, you know, I thought the whole.

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Speaker 5: Point of this discussion that Todd just had was about the fan base.

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Speaker 6: I would say more so like the ownership. They're both bad ownerships. But the Cardinals have a history of not investing.

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Speaker 2: Well, we keep waiting for Kyler Murray. I don't know what we're expecting to see. Marvin Harrison. You know, Herbie was talking about this last night. This was a big topic and rightfully. So this this was a can't miss. Your dad's a Hall of Famer, and you look to be bigger and better and stronger and faster, and it hasn't happened. Now. His numbers his rookie year weren't bad, but he's supposed to be great. And he stopped on a route that led to an interception. He had a big drop. Now I did have a really good touchdown reception, but you're supposed to have these things. You're supposed to be great. And maybe because you're at Ohio State, everything is open. Don't have to worry about here in footsteps. But this is a standalone game. And I said this would be a topic and a topic after the game depending on how well he played a standalone game. And Marvin Harrison maybe that's the first time you've seen him play. Talent's there, Kyler Murray. What did he get sacked seven times last time and last night? Six times last night? I mean, and that's on the quarterback as well. That's not just the offensive line. That is quarterback trying to do maybe too much. You find a lot of these quarterbacks, you know, that's where it's kind of an optical illusion where man, how did that guy? How did Cato Williams get sacked sixty eight times? Isn't he athletic? Lamar Jackson got sacked what seven times the other night? Well, they're trying to keep a play alive too long, and sometimes you know that athleticism comes back to haunt you. But for the Cardinals in that division, you know, because the Niners are undefeated, the Rams are going to be there in the playoffs. And Seattle's three and one, so the margin for air and you haven't beaten Seattle since twenty twenty one. But it's just not an inspiring franchise there. What's the other poll question? Seton?

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Speaker 5: The other one we got here? Is the Vikings letting Sam Darnald leave was the right decision at the time or will come back to haunt them?

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Speaker 2: No, it's the right decision. We saw when you need Sam Darnald to be great, what happened those last two games of the regular season and postseason didn't go well. Do I think he's a bridge quarterback in Seattle? I do, and it might just be a one year deal. I mean, Jalen Milroe could be their starting quarterback. But I don't think there's and Sam was drafted probably too high or too high to go to a bad team. When he went to the Jets. He had a really good career at USC, but you know, he got kicked around in a couple other spots. You know, this isn't a I didn't do well in one place and now I go to another place, and now I have this epiphany. He had stops along the way. Do I think he's capable of leading them to the playoffs. I do, but I don't look at him the way I look at, you know, some of these other franchise quarterbacks. And it's probably it's it says three year deal, it's really a one year deal. And I think the Vikings they made, you know, they made that decision when they drafted JJ McCarthy that they were moving on from him, just like they moved on from Kirk Cousins. And they're all in on JJ McCarthy. Now, unless JJ McCarthy is going to be injury prone his entire career, then I don't Minnesota made the right decision. By all accounts, they made the right decision, and you get that rookie contract with JJ McCarthy, he just hasked to stay healthy do I think he should be a better quarterback than Sam Darnold. Yes, but if Sam can kind of just not make mistakes. And last night was just hey, just go out there, get a touchdown, touchdown, a couple of touchdowns, no interceptions, and maintain manage a game. That's all. So we'll get to your phone calls coming up. Here is the This is one of those games last night where you didn't know who the coaches were, or you might not know who the coaches were. So when Jonathan Gannon is being interviewed at halftime and they're booing him and he hung in there, and who was doing the sideline Lizy hartin, Yes, Hey, kudos to you because you brought up the booze that were happening in the moment there to the coach there booing wonderful. But Jonathan Gannon and then uh, Seattle's head coach is Mike McDonald, And Mike McDonald and he talked about how the Seahawks executed late in the game to win for us.

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Speaker 7: It was just like, all right, hey, look we're on you know, we're identifying the two minute situation and Ad and the guys are talking to the guys on the bench and they're ready to go to overtime. They're talking about our overtime plan. It was just kind of like, hey, what's what's next. Clink called some great plays. We had a great protection that's in that series. You're fortunate with the kick being you know, not in the landing zone. And then you know, Sam and Jacks were just whites out and just a great job overall. Brian did a great job of managing the managing the clock and this is this is how we roll.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's Mike McDonald, not McDaniel, and Jonathan Gannon. Christy goes Jonathan Gannon. Was he a backup quarterback somewhere.

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Speaker 3: With Rich I have Mike McDonald had a farm, yeah, yea, oh and what's going on there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Glennon Terry Gannon, like, you know, I don't know what's going on here, but standalone game and therefore, everybody has an opinion on both of these teams from last night. We will get to your phone calls coming up. The topic is not leaving anytime soon, and that is Russell Wilson Junior. The third is he a Hall of Famer playing himself out of the Hall of Fame Tony Gonzalez Hall of Famer, came down hard on Russell Wilson last night. Richard Sherman, his former teammate, came down hard on Russell Wilson as well. We'll talk about that, but it's open season on Russell Wilson. It feels like I hope he gets an opportunity to play for the Bengals. I don't know if it'll happen. I don't know if the Bengals are interested. I know he's saying all the right things, but he always says all the right things. It feels like the only time in his career he didn't say what you thought he was going to say was when he came on this show and said he wanted out of Seattle. That's it. Maybe needs the same say the same thing in New York. You know what, I don't want to be looking over Jackson's shoulder. We have Jamis here. Can I go and try to salvage the back end of my career? Can I go play for the Bengals for a year. I don't know if it'll happen, but if I'm the Bengals, I'd certainly entertain that, but will play some of the comments that Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman had, And I know Richard Sherman doesn't like Russell Wilson. I wish that he would have said that up front. Look, I don't have a good relationship or I didn't like him when he was a teammate, like, because you got to factor that in. You know, his opinion as a player now as an analyst is a little bit cloudy because he didn't like Russell Wilson. A lot of players on Seattle didn't like Russ. They thought he was phony. But he helped you get a Super Bowl ring. Now you can say you helped him, absolutely, but I think you got to do a little deeper dive just to be fair to Russ in what he's done or what he did. It's easy to look at him now and say he's washed, and he might be. Yes, Marvin, it might.

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Speaker 8: Be unfair, But do you think they look at him maybe like a Brad Johnson, maybe a Trent Deal for somebody that a Jim McMahon. We were led by a great defense and you were just a quarterback on the team.

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Speaker 4: It's not like you were a great quarterback. We won that Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Look, he played for a great defense. Nobody's denying that. But sometimes we forget. Did Joe Montana have great players on his team?

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Speaker 4: I think so?

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Speaker 2: Okay, did Matthew Stafford have one of the greatest defensive players of all time on his team when he won the Super Bowl? Did he have you know, an upper echelon head coach, maybe the best coach in the NFL right now? Did he have Cooper cup Obja was on that team? Like, if we're going to start bringing in, well, how much talented that guy have? How much talent did that guy have? Like, you got to be fair, and I don't know that people are being fair to Russell Wilson, Yes, Marvin, but I was.

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Speaker 8: Just saying, does Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and those guys are the legion to boom think that about Russ that that you know, he was just the quarterback. It's not like he was leading the charge. This team was led with a great defense and you just happen to be the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's Trent Dilfer oh, I mean either not Joe Flacco. I think he got to be fair too, And I think I think we forget you know what. Let me take a break. We'll bring back the sound from last night. I was surprised that this was a topic last night, but uh, I guess with Seattle on there and the you know, the memories of Russell Wilson. All right, we'll take a break. We'll get the phone calls coming up. By the way, did I ask who is it better than we do?

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Speaker 2: Two teams double digit underdogs in the NFL got the Saints getting fifteen and a half in Buffalo the Browns against the Lions. The Browns are getting ten age seven to seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle ADP show. If you bailed after three quarters last night, you probably thought Marvin Harrison Junior is not very good or not going to have a good night. He was good in the fourth quarter. I'm not sure what you're going to get out of him. And once again, his numbers weren't pedestrian last year. It's just I thought he was one hundred catch guy. Thought he was a ten touchdown guy. I thought he was, you know, a twelve hundred yard guy. I'm waiting for him to be dominant. And I don't know if it's it's going to happen in Arizona. I don't know if it will happen with Kyler Murray, but that certainly was a topic last night. We'll get a couple of phone calls here and then we'll dive into the topic that continues to linger, and that is Russell Wilson. Should he retire? Is he a Hall of Famer? A couple of guys waited in on that last night. Buddha in San Francisco. Hi, Buddha, welcome back.

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Speaker 10: No buddy, happy to meet. Friday boys live every day in the fast lane. Fritzy, let's go, Baby.

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Speaker 4: Let's go Buddha.

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Speaker 10: Well, then I gotta say, after Wednesday, that changed my whole driving perspective forever. I didn't get a chance of calling with my shirt idea, but I wanted to still throw it in fast and fritziest.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Buddha. Yeah, we're trying to come up with a T shirt by the end of the show and they'll be available for the just for the weekend there, Colby in California, Hi Colby, but.

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Speaker 11: Hey, hey, I had I had two things.

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Speaker 4: One the.

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Speaker 2: Guess or all right, I got a bad connection there Colby, Scott and Saint Paul Hi Scott.

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Speaker 11: Marny Dan Morty Fella's first time, longtime five to seven, relatively solid, one sixty five.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 11: It occurred to me over the last two days, and especially listening yesterday about the great passingly controversy that for someone who is not on the bone of section row feet for years now, that Todd was having such a hard time grasping the idea of slow lane, cruising lane, passing lane.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott. Does that help you, Ton?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't because it's slow lane, cruising lane, fast lane. Because many people use the left lane, as I said the last couple of days, not as a way to pass other cars, but to just go very fast for long periods of time in the left lane.

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Speaker 2: Chris and Syracuse joins us Hi Chris, Hey, thanks.

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Speaker 12: Tan Gay A question for you, and on the T shirt, there's no way to be passole. But I was thinking it's a little wordy, but hey, passle Toddler aboard.

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Speaker 2: So back off.

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Speaker 12: Earlier in the week, the Yankees caught some grief for their celebration when they clinched the wild card, and I don't know for me. If Chico bail Bonds had no problem with Tanner Boyle on the Boys knocking back a couple of beers after their big game, I have no problem with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but nobody expected Bad News Bears to do anything. The Yankees are the Yankees. Don't celebrate a wild card birth you're the Yankees.

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Speaker 12: My question is Dan. Two weeks ago, nobody thought that the Yankee said a shout at the division. And this weekend, if they win the division, do they go heir the dog and celebrate again.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with them celebrating the division and it might change the MVP if Aaron Judge helps lead the Yankees to win the division, just like cal rawling. Cal Rawley, according to DraftKings, is your favorite to win the MVP in the American League, And it's a great story. I wonder if major League Baseball is going to do cut ins. Let's say he gets to sixty two home runs. Are they going to do what they did with Aaron Judge? Is when Aaron Judge was going to pass Roger Maris, they were, you know, every at bat, it felt like, are they going to do that? Is the commissioner going to be going to Seattle's games this weekend if he happens to pass Aaron Judge on the all time list? All right, So here's his story. And we've talked about Russell Wilson before. He's been was a frequent guest on this show for many, many many years, many many times, mostly when he was in Seattle, but he's fallen off when he went to Denver. Now, the numbers in Denver weren't terrible. I think his last year there was twenty six touchdowns, eight interceptions. There's a lot of quarterbacks who would sign up for that, a lot of teams who would sign up for that. But given what they gave up to get him, Russ was not going to live up to that and the contract that he signed, he was not going to live up to them. And you had Sean Payton who did not want Russell Wilson. He got, you know, to Pittsburgh, got them to the playoffs, but you know they were going to move on from him because they had inside track with Aaron Rodgers. It's just he has not been the right guy at the right time. Where he was in Seattle, and he was there rookie contract, third round, Pete Carroll saw enough in him that he said, hey, you're going to be my starter. You had a veteran team, certainly defensively, you had a couple of offensive weapons, certainly Marshawn Lynch. You had a couple of really good offensive linemen there. And Russ did what you would want your quarterback to do in that situation, not lose games, occasionally have some magic there. You won a Super Bowl, nearly won another Super Bowl, and he's gone to ten Pro Bowls. Now you can say, was he an alternate last year for the Pro Bowl? Now, I don't know when's the last time he was a Pro Bowl quarterback? If we could check on that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a true Pro Bowl quarterback twenty twenty one in Seattle. He was an alternate last year. Last year he had sixteen touchdowns and five picks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Pro Bowl is not what it once was, but that's only been over the last couple of years. Let's say Russ has nine legitimate Pro Bowls, Okay, nine in Seattle, nine in like eleven years something like that. That's pretty impressive. And you won a super Bowl. I think because he is viewed as losing a super Bowl, he threw the past you lost to super Bowl. That brings him down a notch. He did more for Seattle that year than Peyton did the year in Denver when they won a super Bowl, but Peyton's given credit for two super Bowls there. Last night, Tony Gonzalez was asked by Carrissa Thompson about Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 8: Do you think we've seen the last of Russell Wilson?

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Speaker 4: Honest, I hope we have.

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Speaker 13: And I say that because I just looking at him and his career, his legacy. Like you talked about, if ever there was somebody who played himself out of a.

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, it's Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 13: Well, when I say that, because look at what's what's happened ever since he left Seattle.

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Speaker 4: When he was in seat he was the man. He was making these good plays. He won a Super Bowl with the two of them.

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Speaker 13: But as soon as he left there, he went the din Verse on that big old deal.

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Speaker 2: They paid him thirty nine million dollars to leave.

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Speaker 4: He goes to Pittsburgh, slays there.

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Speaker 13: One year, he's out of there, and now he goes here and has three games.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know if it's gonna get any better.

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Speaker 13: And I don't want to see him on a sideline holding the clipboard.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here is Richard Sherman, former teammate of Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 4: I think you got a judge his career off.

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Speaker 14: When the legion of Boom was there, you had a legendary defense and all time defense, and how much success he had, and then without that legendary defense, the success he had without that legendary defense, he's been four and eleven, seven and eight. How in three to start with the Giants like that's he was a winning football player in Seattle, and people said, hey, winning his football player, all this good stuff, all these accolades, and now you get to go on your own and you get to proved, Hey, I'm this great quarterback. I'm this guy that's gonna be dominant, and it just hasn't worked.

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Speaker 4: Out that way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is revision is history. The legion of Boom went away when Russ was twenty seven. You can you can point towards the last three years. How about we be fair to what he did in Seattle, because that's what this is about. And once you're in, aren't you in in the Hall of fame? Unless there's a scandal. It doesn't feel like you're going to play your way out of it. Now. Have I brought up this question absolutely to be fair to the topic. I have said, is he playing his way out of it? My job is to ask the question. Your opinion could be, of course not. But I think you got to be careful with what Russ did in Seattle after the legs in the Boom and because of Russ's contract, you were able to keep players a little bit longer because he was on that rookie deal.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paulmy, you're exactly right on the defense in Seattle when Russ was there, Russell Wilson's first five years in Seattle, they had a top three defense every year. His last five years in Seattle, they didn't have a top ten defense in any of those seasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two different eras, But I think you got to be fair to him, and I don't think people are. Now is he different? Is he odd? Yes? But he was still great in Seattle. He did what you want a quarterback to do. What do you need me to do? Now? How many times did we watch a Seattle game and the score would be like seventeen to fifteen, and then Pete Carroll would go, I don't know, Russ pull this out? And he would he had that one pass, that one pass it's and once again the pass was on the numbers. You know, you just had Malcolm Butler who made an one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history, football history.

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Speaker 8: Yes, marm Did we consider Russell Wilson a First Battle Hall of Famer at the end of his reign a Seattle?

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Speaker 2: No, but there are quarterbacks who have put up less numbers than him. Eli's regular season is not good at all. It is is average. His record is five hundred, that's average. He won two incredible Super Bowls. He was MVP, even though on one of those the defensive line should have been MV pick. But he got two of those and had two incredible runs. We're trying to bring Eli into the Russell conversation or vice versa. Eli stands on his own. It shouldn't be about Russell Wilson and Russ shouldn't be about Eli Manning. But that's it feels like that's that's the conversation now, Yes, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Because if that pick doesn't happen, they're the exact scene.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, Russ is a would be considered a far, in my opinion, far better quarterback than Eli.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but if for Us has that second ring, then he's in no questions. Absolutely, that's the comparison Eli getting that second ring and beating the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: That gets him in for sure.

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Speaker 4: No problem.

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Speaker 2: And Eli made the Pro Bowl four times and he led the league and interceptions a couple of times three times. I mean, I don't have any problem with Eli being a Hall of Famer. He's going to be. You know his name. You beat Belichick and Brady twice. Okay, played a long time, he was durable. He played in over two hundred consecutive games. But Russ is a Hall of Famer. I know he's tailed off here. He's playing for a bad team Pittsburgh. They went to the playoffs Denver, and that was a bad move by Denver, and Sean Payton quickly realized that, Yeah, PAULI the.

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Speaker 6: Comp on this is almost like an actor, like a guy like ne Liam Neeson was once considered one of the top actors in the world, and like he was in the most serious movies. He won awards. Then he kind of changed directions at the end of the career and it was different. It's not the same stuff. It's like just because an actor or even a musician changes what they do in the back half of their career, it doesn't take away from the first half. And it's almost like these guys last night were looking in through the lens of Russell Wilson and as a giant and they can't see the past the ten years in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean there's different comps here if you're trying to do that. I mean, is he a Ben Roethlisberger kind of quarterback here? Roethlisberger was carried to that first Super Bowl and Jerome Bettis and Heinz Board have talked about that, how he was scared to death in that first Super Bowl. But you know he put up great numbers here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's tough to ask a former teammate who played on the defense to be impartial about certain conversations because in his mind, I mean, Richard Sherman's reaction to that interception is almost as famous as the play itself, right, and he's like, no, man, because if it wasn't for that, dude, we would have won. The defense is what carried us all these years. We're the ones that did this, and the whole story the whole time was yeah, legion of Boom was whatever. But now let Russ cook, what about russ Man, take the training wheels off, Russ, let him go, do what you think. And meanwhile, you know, people like Richard Sherman are like, no, dude, Like we carried that dude, I kind of. I think it's difficult to ask people who are in the situation to not have an opinion, a strong opinion about it.

00:31:15
Speaker 2: Be fair, rich the leechion of Boom has gotten a ton of credit, a ton of credit nobody is bypassing them and saying they weren't impactful. One of the great secondaries we have ever seen in the NFL. So they've gotten their flowers here and you got Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman, who probably Hall of famers Cam Chancellor was wonderful. Here's the last five years in Seattle for Russell Wilson touchdowns and interceptions thirty four and eleven, thirty five and seven thirty one in five, forty and thirteen and twenty five and six. Only Aaron Rodgers was better over that period touchdown to interception ratio. I think you look at today and you're not being fair to what Russ was without the legion of Boom, because the legion of Boom wasn't there after he was twenty seven, he's thirty six now.

00:32:16
Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, going back to Roethlisberger, the same point that you made with Eli. Ben Roethlisberger became a Hall of Famer because of a unbelievable Super Bowl against the Cardinals. And I think that's the big distinction, is the one Super Bowl versus the two Super Bowls with Eli and Ben.

00:32:32
Speaker 2: But nobody says, boy, the Steelers had an unbelievable defense. I mean, right, and James Harrison had one of the best. Yes, yes, James Harrison's interception at the end of the first half.

00:32:46
Speaker 8: But I think Ben Roethlisberger had that unbelievable pass that how many people can make.

00:32:52
Speaker 2: Okay, he had an unbelievable pass that was an unbelievable two minute duo. Absolutely, I mean, Ben's a Hall of Famer.

00:33:00
Speaker 4: I just.

00:33:02
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that, you know the tail end? What if Russ started his career right now the way he's ending it and then flipped it around.

00:33:13
Speaker 4: He's in like Matthew Stafford.

00:33:15
Speaker 2: Yes, we're like, oh my god, this guy's unbelievable. But we look at the tail end, and you know when we see Willie May's falling down in centerfield as a met well, yeah, do I remember it?

00:33:27
Speaker 11: Yes?

00:33:27
Speaker 2: But I also remember might have been the greatest talent I ever saw in a baseball field.

00:33:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paulin the two years that Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl with the Steelers, they had the third ranked defense in the league and the first ranked defense.

00:33:38
Speaker 4: In the league.

00:33:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, but nobody brings that up, no context. No, that's that's all I think Richard needs to at least say, hey, I don't have the best relationship with Russ. Maybe I can't be impartial here. Tony Gonzalez can say whatever he wants. I mean, these are their opinions, and they played the game, and you know, you had Richard who played with Ross. I understand that. Let's just remember the numbers here and how the team performed.

00:34:04
Speaker 5: You know, if you look at say like twenty twelve, the Seahawks averaged about twenty five points a game on offense and gave up fifteen points. If you go ten years later, well not quite ten years later, but if you go to say twenty nineteen, they were averaging twenty five points a game, still on offense, but giving up twenty five points a game on defense. I mean, that's like the whole story just based on that. To me, Russell Wilson and that offense stayed exactly the same through his entire tenure there. The only difference was the defense started giving up too many points for him to overcome.

00:34:36
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, if you go back to the Super Bowl Patriots versus Seattle, the Luminaries that Russell Wilson was throwing to, Chris Matthews, Ricardo Lockette, Jermaine Curse, Doug Baldwin and Brian Walters and Gronkowski and Edlman were on the other side.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: And Brady Yeah, yeah, maybe you heard of him. Yeah, it's an interesting topic. I just think it's easy to dismiss us russ now and forget about what he did before. Yes, Martin, if.

00:35:06
Speaker 8: Russe Wilson had an MVP award, would this not even be a discussion, Because I think the big difference is when we say, like Peyton Manning, he didn't have a great ending in Denver, but he had MVP awards. Would that be a big difference. Also, Pro Bowls might be Pro Bowls versus all pros are a different you know, stratosphere.

00:35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at super Bowls and super Bowl MVPs for quarterbacks, I mean that's our regular season MVPs. Yes, that's probably the category that you use. You add that up and that I mean, look at Brady the number of super Bowl wins, the number of super Bowl MVPs. I don't know how many times he was a regular season MVP, but it's probably the total is fifteen of MVP super Bowl and regular season MVP. That's that dwarfs everybody. That's double what Peyton. Peyton had what five MVPs he had two Super Bowls.

00:36:05
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paulie, this is a question answer after the break, who will have an easier time getting in the Hall of Fame, Russell Wilson or Philip Rivers.

00:36:12
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00:36:53
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00:37:30
Speaker 15: Hi Dan?

00:37:31
Speaker 10: Hi Mel, I just bye.

00:37:34
Speaker 15: I just wanted to call in and say that I think you guys were so mean to Todd the other day about his driving, because I understood exactly what he was saying. He's gone the speed limit, he's in the left lane, somebody's on his tail. Well, if that person needs to go faster, maybe that person should go into the right lane, or that person should have left earlier. And another thing, Dan, you especially mentioned how grandmothers dry. And I'm a grandmother, Dan, and I thought, when I have to go on the highway, I always go the speed limit.

00:38:16
Speaker 2: Mel Mel. Todd brought up grandmothers, not me. Todd made fun of grandmother's, not me.

00:38:25
Speaker 11: Todd.

00:38:25
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so mean to Todd because he makes fun of grandmother should not have made.

00:38:30
Speaker 4: A sweeping statement, but it does.

00:38:32
Speaker 3: Sometimes at a certain age, everyone they're afraid to drive a little, but they're going like thirty five forty.

00:38:36
Speaker 2: On the highway. I go and that can cause that's all you have to do is say I'm sorry, Tom, but now stuck up for me with the left. Well, now she's not because she's a grandmother. I'm sorry Mel that we pick on Todd, even though Todd deserves it.

00:38:50
Speaker 15: I love you, guys. I listen. I listen to your sports show every morning on the radio, and I love listening to you. But I I that's a Todd maybe because I am a grandmother.

00:39:03
Speaker 2: Even though he was making fun of grandmothers. But thank you, Mel, thank you.

00:39:08
Speaker 4: See Ton, not all grandmothers. Mel's fine.

00:39:10
Speaker 3: The rest of them grandmothers and grandfather go a little faster on the highway.

00:39:14
Speaker 2: All right, we tease this going into the commercial break, PAULI, would you pose the question again?

00:39:20
Speaker 6: Okay, who will have an easier time getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame? An easier time? Philip Rivers or Russell Wilson.

00:39:27
Speaker 2: It feels like Philip Rivers might have an easier time, even though Russ should get an easier His resume is better.

00:39:37
Speaker 6: Phil Rivers went to eight Pro Bowls as a Charger. He once appeared in an AFC title game. He has never made All Pro, he was never an MVP. Lots of yards, lots of touchdown.

00:39:49
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and if you put both of them in, I'm fine, But if you say who should have an easier time, I would think Russ, But not with what's happened in the last couple of years. And this sentiment is starting to build up. You know, you have to do a deep dive and do a deep dive on you know, Philip Rivers as well. But I would say that Russ should. But feels like Philip Rivers will.

00:40:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, remember back in the day, and you can help with this because you covered these teams. Phil Simms of the Giants, everyone said if he had a second Super Bowl, he'd probably be a Hall of Famer. Is that the conventional wisdom? Yes, he was a one time Pro bowler. He was a very tough, popular quarterback, but never a great stat guy. And he won one Super Bowl.

00:40:32
Speaker 2: If he won that Super Bowl that Jeff Hastetler was the quarterback of then, I think Phil Simms playing in New York, playing for the Giants would be a Hall of Famer.

00:40:40
Speaker 6: And it's wild that Russell needed one more pass completion to be maybe first ballot.

00:40:46
Speaker 2: Just hand the ball offt to more sh someone, just hand it off to it.

00:40:51
Speaker 4: God.

00:40:51
Speaker 2: I remember that I'm right under the goalpost because the game is going to end, Seattle's going to win the Super Bowl. I got to be up on the podium to hand out the trophy, and all of a sudden he went back to pass and I went, oh, bleep. And my producer Ron Vacuero of NBC was there with me, and we just thought the pass got knocked down. I'm like, oh my god, you lived to you know, call another play. And then he said, no, they got an interception. And all of a sudden comes out with the ball and I go, they just lost the super Bowl. They just lost the Super Bowl. All right. One hour in the books, two more to go. In this Meet Friday, Chris Sim's on loan from Pro Football Talk and Football Night in America. More of your phone calls as well more ideas on our Fritzy T shirt. I have that for you coming up as well. Todd's here seat and Marv Paula yours truly and the back room guys. Dan Patrick Show