Episode 98 - The History of Disaster Films

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And welcome to another episode of the lunatic radio hour podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Abby Brinker.

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<v Speaker 1>I am sitting here with the one and the only Alan Kuan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have what I anticipate is going to be a fairly chaotic episode for you today for me, for us all.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because we are talking about the history of disaster films.

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<v Speaker 2>We like these movies.

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<v Speaker 1>We like disaster films.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they evoke a very specific definition, but we are going to define how we're thinking about them for this episode, because it could be a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the next nine, please enjoy as Abby describes her love of twister and how Helen Hunt's wardrobe had a strong impact on her young sexuality.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>She, this is going to be a Helen Hunt in twister fan fiction episode.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>But twister certainly is a film we're gonna talk about today

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<v Speaker 2>Is, is this story's episode gonna be like twister, Twilight fan fiction?

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<v Speaker 2>I've

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<v Speaker 1>Actually been, I was thinking about writing something like that for it, because I'm, I'm trying to write a disaster story for next week.

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<v Speaker 1>And all I can think about is Helen Hunt and twister.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all that's in my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Just do twister fan fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's an untapped market.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe it is tapped.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not to out though.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you found twister fan fiction, I wouldn't see for like weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So focusing on today's episode, which is going to be a lot of film history.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we're gonna do our best to talk about all the major disaster films, but there's so many, so

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you're gonna say we're gonna to do a quick overview of disasters.

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<v Speaker 2>No,

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<v Speaker 1>No, we're not gonna, there's probably gonna be a lot that we leave out, but we're going to do our best to represent as many as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Also of course, these films are about disasters.

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<v Speaker 1>So keep that in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna be a graphic episode, but if that's upsetting to you, keep that in mind when you look said.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just wanna reflect for a moment that the whole reason we're doing this episode is cuz we watched geo storm geo storm, which we thought was just gonna be a day after tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Knockoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Turned out to be this like, uh, space thriller that just kept cutting back to earth just so they could show old disaster things like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A tight wave going through a city or raging, uh, uh, wildfires, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ice ages

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<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, like, uh, I, where was it like Dubai, where it just got like cold snapped and just like in day after tomorrow, everyone just kind of gets frozen in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a fun movie,

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<v Speaker 1>But geo storm, I think technically is outside of the scope because is it science fiction?

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<v Speaker 2>What,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna talk specifically about certain sub sub genres under disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Sh sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But day after tomorrow is technically science fiction because that storm has not happened yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I, but I mean like Spacey, whatever, we we'll, we'll get into the definitions, but let's start with the sources for today.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a vulture article by bill Jaun, the 32, you greatest disaster movies of all time, an Indy wire article by Jessica Kang and Oliver Littleton, 10 defining 1970s disaster movies, a screen rant article by Philip ESEI on the best foreign disaster films, a vulture interview with Helen Hunt about her experiences working on twister a youth, see our movies and culture article by Tyler Sage.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course IMDB and Wikipedia came in, uh, handy today for some basic facts about the films themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I said, let's talk about how we are specifically defining disaster film for the purpose of this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to clarify, this is how you, you are defining well, I, and I'm gonna push back.

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<v Speaker 2>So go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But we talked about this ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And this, you

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically said you didn't wanna include sci-fi films in this.

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<v Speaker 2>What, what I said was I didn't want to include alien invasion films.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's here.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the definition then.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So a film where the plot centers around a disaster of some sort, this includes natural disasters, manmade disasters, accidents, or attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>So military or terrorists, right?

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<v Speaker 1>The genre technically does include science fiction based disaster films like war of the worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're going to save that for a different episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We are also not going to include films like king Kong or Godzilla franchises, again, that we will cover under other umbrellas.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to include zombie films or pandemic in virus films.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, all of these definitely belong in this genre.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanna be very clear.

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<v Speaker 1>We are just not gonna talk about them because they are part of like upcoming episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>So they might come up casually, but the focus is gonna be on natural disasters, accidents, attacks, things like that, manmade disasters.

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<v Speaker 1>So does that fit kind of what you were thinking, Ellen?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't wanna do, I did not want to include any kind of disaster that is caused by something by caused by some kind of supernatural something, whether that is aliens or a Kaiju sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, uh, just cuz I feel like those are huge tropes in the science fiction or horror universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Those

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<v Speaker 2>Are things and they deserve their own.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, Godzilla has a very special place in my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, however like yeah, war the world is definitely a for film.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's alien invasion.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an alien invasion.

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<v Speaker 2>And so like the one, the way you asked me about this question was should we include independence day?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, should we include science fiction films?

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<v Speaker 1>Like war of the world's an independence day.

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<v Speaker 2>I only heard independence day.

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<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 1>Actually don't even know if I said independence

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<v Speaker 2>Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I was thinking about independence day.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I, but again, it's, it's its own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that really fits along the terms of like the core, when I think of a disaster film, I think of humanity versus nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Like nature is the antagonist in some facet.

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<v Speaker 2>And so now I, I don't know, are we including like when there're like a like bombing movies, like where there's like yeah, like a terrorist blows

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<v Speaker 1>Up a city, like Dr.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange love is on this list.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, it's, it's, it's a very, as all genres of all things, I think it's tricky to define that's.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you guys get the sense of how we are thinking about it, even though we're thinking about it a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're thinking about it the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just limiting it in slightly different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know,

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<v Speaker 2>My horizons are broader if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Slightly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>You your broad on the sci-fi side, but I'm broader on the like generally defining it because I do include films on this list that are not necessarily caused by the disasters not caused by nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Cuz like, yeah, like you said, you're, you've included some that are, the bomb goes off.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is a human human thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody like even Titanic, which is arguably like one of the most famous disaster films of all time, the iceberg is still the antagonist.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though it's not like a tornado, it's still like, you know, it's not a natural disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still caused by nature.

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<v Speaker 1>So that one is like fits in better maybe than like Dr.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange love does, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna, we're gonna talk through what we got and we can debate as we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's take it back to square one.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your favorite disaster movie twister.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your second favorite disaster movie?

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<v Speaker 1>The storm of the century.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>One.

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<v Speaker 1>And perfect storm

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<v Speaker 2>Forgot about both of those storm

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<v Speaker 1>Of the century might be bored line supernatural.

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<v Speaker 1>According to your definition,

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hundred percent supernatural.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm saying, does it still fit in?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cuz the, the, I don't know is the storm caused by

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<v Speaker 1>That's the question?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's supernatural things in the film.

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<v Speaker 1>The storm could be caused by the devil or not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna count it simply because the majority of the conflict in the film is humans versus the elements,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, or humans versus humans.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say the majority, I say it's like 60, 40, eh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite disaster film?

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite disaster film hands down is day after tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good.

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<v Speaker 1>One.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's the scariest movie I've ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, definitely feels very possible when you watch it now

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recommend watching it now

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe watch it and then, you know, help lobby Coca-Cola or whatever to stop killing the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>CocaCola

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the major corporations, I mean, you know, bring down the man, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just, I mean, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an interesting place to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we jump in?

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<v Speaker 1>Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying they're doing good things.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just much bigger fish to fry.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like you're a Coca-Cola sympathizer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll back off.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So most people categorize disaster films under the action film header, but because they cover horrifying topics and some are certainly sci-fi and horror themed.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about them today.

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<v Speaker 1>And we kind of thought that it made sense under what we're are doing here with the history of horror.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason we didn't do this earlier, because we've we've honestly, this idea has been in the back of our mind for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>It just, it doesn't seem like horror at its core, but then,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, then you watch the day after it tomorrow as an adult.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, holy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so scary.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so God scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dude, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>We need to get canoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think no,

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need canoes.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be a sled.

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<v Speaker 2>We need rocket ships to get off the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only way

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot more expensive than my plan.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your plan?

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<v Speaker 2>Canoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Canoes boats.

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<v Speaker 1>If it floods boat, if it snows boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello?

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<v Speaker 2>Explain that second one, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Snow is works as a sled

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<v Speaker 2>In canoe over snow.

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<v Speaker 2>If

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a kayak, maybe slide right down.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it downhill the way?

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I'm saying we could put your in it and pull it behind you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, put James in the canoe and tow'em

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<v Speaker 2>Along.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a flat bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll get a kayak.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever

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<v Speaker 2>Been in a

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<v Speaker 1>Canoe?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet in a lot more canoes than you have over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Sparky.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>How many canoes Sparky.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>All

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<v Speaker 1>Right, here we

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<v Speaker 2>Go.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is turning into a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>So why are audiences drawn to disaster films in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to quote a rather lengthy quote right now because I think it's really hits the nail on the head.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is according to bill aery in the vulture article quote, what makes cinematic depictions of disaster so compelling when they're done, right?

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<v Speaker 1>That is, is the uneasy dance between plausibility and fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>We watch from the safety of our seats as horrible things happen to these characters.

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<v Speaker 1>And we feel both the spine tingling, excitement of thinking, yeah, this could totally happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reassuring comfort of knowing that we ourselves are safe.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens when an actual bonafide, honest to goodness disaster unfolding in real life, instead for some of us, the onscreen versions will become unbearable for others, especially those who've been watching contagion and outbreak over the past few months.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know who you are such disasters will become even more thrilling and intensely voyeuristic.

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<v Speaker 1>And

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<v Speaker 2>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially like a lot of these movies, you know, I don't know they've this has been a genre that's been around for many decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of the big hitters are from, I don't know, nineties, two thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting to watch them now because what seemed like science fiction aspect is just now the science aspect, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like all the things that seemed like creative liberties came to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is that's the scariest part, especially when you're watching, you know, the, the, the whole team of senators debating the upcoming disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're basically just saying, ah, just fake news.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, back then it's like, ah, what a bunch of idiots.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, now we're like what a bunch of idiots, but oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>That actually happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely, I think is really interesting to see how a, having a pandemic going on is gonna influence the genre B having a rise in environmental, you know, like there's climate changes happening in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot more tornadoes in places when there weren't, there's floods in hurricanes, all these things are increasing.

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<v Speaker 1>So just as a consumer of film, like, it'll be interesting to see how these things shift in how people's reaction to them changes.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're not talking about Kaji movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But it just reminded me of like, do you remember watching shin Godzilla?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think this is the movie I'm thinking of, you know, in this world, Godzilla doesn't this is the, this is like a rebooting, I guess like Godzilla wasn't established threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like this is Godzilla 25 where they've seen him a hundred times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone says like, Hey, there's a monster attacking.

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<v Speaker 2>And instead of everyone being like, oh, monster, really?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, they're like, oh right, come on, everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is like, everyone jumps into, no matter how seemingly unplausible it could be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just, they, they, they know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>A similar thing in a way to horror in general, we've talked about this at length, but during depressions, during hard times, there's an influx in watching horror and making horror because it gives people a release and an escape it's worse hypothetically than what's happening to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I wonder if disaster films, even though what's happening is maybe closer to reality than horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be interesting to see how, like what happens in the next few years with this genre?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, everybody wants to see the giant CGI tsunami come through and take out New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also gives the sense of like, wow, bad, but at least it's not that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>With the tinge of plausibility.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's still feels like grounded in reality, but we, but don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>You're still watching a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a good drama.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like watching it's I think it's the same reason why romance films are so popular.

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<v Speaker 2>How, you know, you're you, you're not watching the screen and thinking, man, I'll never be sexy enough to, to make out with this vampire.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, but instead you're thinking like, wow, that's so much romance.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this.

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<v Speaker 2>I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe I think it depends on who's watching, but

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I think some people certainly watch romance films because they wanna feel because they get, they have an emotional reaction to it, you know, like not, and it's not just like sympathy or, or it's not just, I feel happy for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think with all films that are done well, we feel those emotions internally, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you watch a romance film, I think some people are happy for the characters, but some people also feel hopeful or feel, you know, part of it in a way, I guess, as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Which do you feel?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it depends on the film and where I'm at in my life at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's think of the most romantic film you've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The village,

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<v Speaker 2>The village.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it before.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And are you rooting for the characters or do you put yourself in their place?

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<v Speaker 1>Both.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I was in high school or whatever, whatever, when the film came out, I was like, man, I hope someday I find the village, someone that someone that, you know, saves me during this sort of disaster, like familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, did you

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<v Speaker 2>Put the village on disaster films?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, you know, you, you know the scene I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>When I've

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<v Speaker 2>Seen this movie once.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we'll do a whole episode on the bed at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps we will on horror movie club.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on.

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<v Speaker 2>This is quite a tangent.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's put a pin in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>So putting together this research was actually a little bit challenging because again, there are so many films that feel important to our generation specifically, and I'm sure to every generation,

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<v Speaker 2>Not every generation,

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to include, I wanted to include them.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was almost too many.

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<v Speaker 1>So I didn't realize, you know, like when I was looking at all these films, I was like, oh my God, Armageddon, Titanic twister, perfect storm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all of these films that felt like important.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, and I, so I did put out like an informal poll on social media just to see like what people would say their favorite disaster movies were.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of shark, NATO,

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<v Speaker 2>Shark, NATO.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of Armageddon, a few perfect storms, a lot of like independence day and sci-fi stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Armageddon Titanic were the ones that came in the loudest.

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<v Speaker 2>How come you didn't?

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<v Speaker 2>How come you didn't let me know that people wanted us to talk about shark NATO.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, I've never seen shark NATO

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<v Speaker 2>Nor have I.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we Wolf fully unprepared for this.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, I didn't think about it

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>So here are some of just the recurring themes, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Love stories are happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Families that are interrupted the power of nature, the power of humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>And in a lot of cases, a hero narrative, you know, like Jake, Jill hall in day after tomorrow, it's like his quest to kind of reunite, right?

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<v Speaker 1>There's like a quest, like a sub quest.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's stopping the disaster, but sometimes it's also just like survival and there's kind of like this Lord of the rings esque feel of just surviving it.

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<v Speaker 2>You get Lord of the rings vibes from day after tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have proto.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this just because they like have to walk around a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, no, I think that,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>That like Frodo, Jake ha Jake's trying to reunite with Dennis Quadro is trying like they have a task and they're traveling like despite terrible circumstances and possible circumstances through all of these obstacles to fulfill this task.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, I guess like the traveling part is it's

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of traveling and it's kind of tricky.

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<v Speaker 1>You're being, you're minimizing what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I, I do you think comparing something to a lot of the rings is minimizing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I compared it to of the rings

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<v Speaker 2>And I called you out on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Carry on.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into the history.

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<v Speaker 1>You can trace disaster films back to some of the earliest films ever made in 1901.

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<v Speaker 1>James Williamson of England made a film called fire exclamation point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a silent, short film that portrays a burning home.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fire are fighters who come to the scene and try to put it out.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Michael Brook of screen, online fire quote was one of the very first films to make use of multiple shots edited together to create a chronological sequence propelling, a coherent narrative along Williamson also creates suspense by showing the audience the extent of the fire in the first shot, which heightens the sense of urgency as the fire crew, who lack this privileged information, leave the station and rush to put it out and quote, many film critics.

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<v Speaker 1>Also point to Edwin Porter's life of an American fireman from 1903.

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<v Speaker 2>So they showed the whole thing right off the bat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The big burning building show the story.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 1>They show the, the big burning building and then they sort of cut back and forth between the, the burning building and the firemen at the station as they kind of get ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So it builds expense that we know this whole building's on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know because they haven't gotten there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I see.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good storytelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Good editing.

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<v Speaker 1>Good filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Basics.

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<v Speaker 2>Although had they just implied the fire and it wouldn't be until the firemen get there and they really take it in.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta, you gotta hold the, you know, the, the, you can't show the creature too soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you gotta build that suspense, make it worse in the, in their mind's eye and then hit'em with something that's even worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Fricking Spielberg would've cleaned up in 1901.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit'em with et.

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<v Speaker 2>They would never see it coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Jumping ahead to the 1930s, there's an influx in film centered around disasters.

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<v Speaker 1>So most notably Del Lu from 1933, which shows floods, eviscerating, New York city, John Fords, the hurricane from 1937, which is about a set of fictitious hurricanes that destroy a south Pacific island, an old Chicago of the same year.

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<v Speaker 1>A of course, about the great Chicago fires.

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<v Speaker 1>The last days of Pompe from 1935, which is based on the Mount Vasu eruption San Francisco from 1936, a musical romance and drama all rolled up into a disaster film, starring Clark Gable as expected with any San Francisco based film disaster film.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, it tells the story of an earthquake and how that gets in the way of Clark Gable and his love interest.

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<v Speaker 1>In the 1950s and sixties, we saw a rise in science fiction based disaster films, the war of the worlds from 1953, originally starring gene Barry and Anne Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's lots of remakes of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Notably the Tom cruise version that came out in our lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, we're gonna kind of put a pin in, in that and come back to those sorts of films.

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<v Speaker 1>On another episode,

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<v Speaker 2>Alien invasions are a separate topic,

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<v Speaker 1>But from 1963, we have one of Allen's favorite films of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's Alfred Hitchcock, the birds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my God.

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>You put the birds on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that a disaster film?

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<v Speaker 1>So, and you're gonna ask, according to the vulture article, they make the point that it is indeed a disaster film.

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<v Speaker 1>And I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, do you?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a perfect overlap between horror and disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like any film that features a hurricane or a storm or a wave, the birds demonstrates how fragile nature's balance is and how quickly things can take a catastrophic turn.

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<v Speaker 2>I would classify the birds as a monster movie.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just lots of monsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it could be both a monster movie and a disaster movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But birds

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<v Speaker 1>Are natural things, you know, it's just like a rogue wave.

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<v Speaker 1>The birds go evil, the plants go evil, the waves go evil.

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<v Speaker 1>The, I, you know, it's,

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<v Speaker 2>If you can shoot it, it's not a natural disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna, what have to think about that one for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>So

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<v Speaker 2>Th that's like, they're against a, a number of small antagonists it's now, now it's like, uh, you know, the movie them with all the big ants,

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of disaster films are human made like a nine 11 film as a disaster film and there's was wars spurred off of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, and that, I guess it just comes down to who is the antagonist really?

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<v Speaker 2>And so in the birds, is it ever explained what's causing the birds to be the birds?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>So I, I mean, I guess that's a, a point of clarity that would really sell me on it.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's like due to human hampering with the electromagnetic field of the earth, you know, birds go crazy, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Disaster film, if it's just all these like a bunch of birds that are particularly malicious.

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<v Speaker 2>No, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure it's because of humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure all the Hitchcock fans are at the radios right now

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<v Speaker 2>At the

00:25:46.460 --> 00:25:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Radios.

00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And of course we have Dr.

00:25:50.201 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Strange love or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb from 1964, directed by Nu other than Stanley Crick.

00:25:58.940 --> 00:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Dr.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange love tells the story of a madman who holds the fate of the world in his hand, it's famous for being bull satire comedy as well as horrifying and dark.

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<v Speaker 1>The film stars.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my great loves Peter Sellers from the pink Panther shot in the dark series.

00:26:16.650 --> 00:26:23.470
<v Speaker 1>And George see Scott it's loosely based on red alert, which is a novel from 1958 by Peter George.

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<v Speaker 2>Also a great series of real time strategy games.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, really?

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<v Speaker 1>Based on Dr.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange love,

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<v Speaker 2>Slightly different.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

00:26:32.329 --> 00:26:32.619
<v Speaker 1>It's,

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it takes place on an alien world.

00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:36.700
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.099
<v Speaker 2>And like, you're commanding an army,

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<v Speaker 1>Like a board game or a video game.

00:26:40.060 --> 00:26:40.460
<v Speaker 1>It's a video

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<v Speaker 2>Game.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real time strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:26:41.980 --> 00:26:42.740
<v Speaker 2>It's like StarCraft.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, I, I really have played, I think the third one, which was Tiberian son and the, the, the evil forces I think are called nod, like N O D.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you, these summon guys with the hand of nod, which is like a little, the building looks like a hand while they walk out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Allen just showed me the trailer for the video game game, red alert.

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<v Speaker 2>Tiberian son,

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<v Speaker 1>Tiberian son.

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<v Speaker 1>And it looked incredibly boring.

00:27:13.910 --> 00:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>What?

00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>It looked like SIM city, but worse.

00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 1>And, uh, that's what I'll have to say about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Military themed, except one of the character's jobs was to pick up grass.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>So not a lot like Dr.

00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Strange love at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It might have looked like

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<v Speaker 1>Grass, but somehow we are talking about it still.

00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Tiber crystals.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like grass

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless.

00:27:42.670 --> 00:27:44.589
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a lot to offer.

00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:49.509
<v Speaker 2>And at any moment, your entire base can be destroyed.

00:27:49.619 --> 00:27:50.710
<v Speaker 2>Talk about a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:54.549
<v Speaker 1>Uh, rounding out the conversation about Dr.

00:27:54.550 --> 00:27:55.309
<v Speaker 1>Strange love.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually nominated for four academy awards, which I am gonna call out as we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Because again, I think sometimes when we think of disaster film, maybe we think of films like San Andreas kind of cheesy, not necessarily like Oscar fodder, but I think before a certain time period, or, you know, whatever that that's a generalization.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna call out the, the films that are, did do well at, in the, uh, awards circuit.

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<v Speaker 1>If that means anything to anybody let's pivot to the 1970s, which are largely considered the golden age of disaster cinema.

00:28:34.509 --> 00:28:34.730
<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Because of a specific producer named Alan Irwin, actually, who we're gonna talk about

00:28:41.009 --> 00:28:41.009
<v Speaker 2>That.

00:28:41.210 --> 00:28:42.089
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna say Harvey wines.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons why the seventies is such a pinnacle period for disaster films is because we start to see them take the shape that modern audiences know all too well, big budget ensemble cast, somewhat cheesy.

00:28:56.990 --> 00:29:26.380
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps a lot of these are also based on novels.

00:29:26.650 --> 00:29:30.250
<v Speaker 1>Just, you know, that's kind of the inspiration for a lot of these films.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I dare say that.

00:29:32.570 --> 00:29:41.210
<v Speaker 2>Of course the novel comes first with a lot of these because writing a disaster novel is a lot less expensive than making a disaster film.

00:29:41.210 --> 00:29:41.690
<v Speaker 1>Totally.

00:29:42.609 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanna quote from the Indy wire article here, this is the article by Jessica Kang and Oliver Littleton, specifically about seventies, disaster films, starring a rotating troop of movie stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Just starting to go a bit brown around the edges like old fruit.

00:29:58.779 --> 00:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Are we, are we going a bit brown around the edges, like old fruit?

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think not yet.

00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I think we're, we're younger than that.

00:30:05.201 --> 00:30:16.710
<v Speaker 1>Still Picking up the quote, the films, boats, sink, airplanes, crash, skyscrapers tumble, epidemics breakout, and, um, some bees.

00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:21.470
<v Speaker 1>But aside from their interchangeable casts, they also shared an ethos.

00:30:21.859 --> 00:30:38.460
<v Speaker 1>Usually employing crosscutting between the blight before moments, picnics, romantic Tris, parades instruments, strumming nuns, hippies, hair Krishna, and the fateful bomb on the tracks cracking the dam, shivering, stowaway, sneezing onto food.

00:30:38.849 --> 00:30:46.380
<v Speaker 1>They were marked by bloated spectacle, staggering disregard for human life and a barely their approach to creating characters.

00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:52.019
<v Speaker 1>You actually give a about and quote, you know, so they're very formulaic.

00:30:52.020 --> 00:31:07.490
<v Speaker 1>They kind of establish this sense of, okay, we've got some sort of love story or familial drama or something, and we've got some sort of disaster, but we're not spending a lot of time on, you know, the characters or developing those things.

00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:13.650
<v Speaker 1>It's more so about just having an A-list cast that need kind of a second, a second chance at film.

00:31:14.549 --> 00:31:18.890
<v Speaker 1>And we have some spectacle and that's really the allure in Hollywood.

00:31:19.009 --> 00:31:19.410
<v Speaker 2>I gotcha.

00:31:20.009 --> 00:31:20.089
<v Speaker 1>All right.

00:31:20.789 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>So airport from 1970 was written and directed by George Seton.

00:31:26.059 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 1>It starts deed Martin and Burt Lancaster, the film centers around a snowstorm that causes chaos at a Chicago area airport,

00:31:35.349 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Just like, um, in home alone,

00:31:39.339 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 1>It inspired three more sequels.

00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:50.470
<v Speaker 1>And the series earned over 128 million compared to its 10 million budget, despite its fairly positive reputation.

00:31:50.490 --> 00:32:05.829
<v Speaker 1>Now 73% on rotten tomatoes and 6.6 out of 10 on IMDB, it is met with less enthusiasm from critics, Gary Arnold of the Washington post called it a lousy movie that was utterly unpredictable and VI.

00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:09.940
<v Speaker 1>It can be of the New York times called it quote an immensely silly film.

00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.339
<v Speaker 1>And it will probably entertain people who no longer care, very much about movies.

00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:15.779
<v Speaker 2>Me

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<v Speaker 1>And to this day, film critics are not a fan though.

00:32:20.289 --> 00:32:23.779
<v Speaker 1>Even if you haven't heard of airport, you've probably heard of airplane.

00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.299
<v Speaker 1>The parody that spring out of this franchise.

00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.289
<v Speaker 2>What airplane is a parity of airport.

00:32:29.470 --> 00:32:29.690
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:32:30.549 --> 00:32:31.130
<v Speaker 2>No way.

00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:31.609
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:32.250
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that crazy?

00:32:32.890 --> 00:32:34.730
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea until I read this.

00:32:35.349 --> 00:32:37.410
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we gotta see air airport now.

00:32:37.809 --> 00:32:38.130
<v Speaker 1>I know

00:32:38.529 --> 00:32:40.369
<v Speaker 2>I, airplane is one of my favorite movies.

00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:40.849
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:32:41.710 --> 00:32:46.329
<v Speaker 1>So definitely I think worth, and it there's four films in the series.

00:32:46.330 --> 00:32:46.650
<v Speaker 1>Again.

00:32:46.690 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I know how it's very hard to kind of piece apart.

00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:53.599
<v Speaker 1>The critic reviews from the general audience response, but

00:32:54.109 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Wait, there's four movies in what airport?

00:32:57.180 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>In the airport series.

00:32:58.430 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:32:58.880 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Cause it's like airplane.

00:32:59.721 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 2>There's only two.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 2>And the second one shouldn't even exist.

00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Why do you mean it shouldn't exist?

00:33:04.190 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen airplane two?

00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:09.309
<v Speaker 2>No, it's the same exact movie as airplane won.

00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:15.109
<v Speaker 2>They repeat just, it's almost the exact same plot beat for beat, huh?

00:33:15.529 --> 00:33:19.710
<v Speaker 2>Except instead of taking place on an airplane, it takes place on a space shuttle.

00:33:20.930 --> 00:33:22.430
<v Speaker 1>God, that's funny.

00:33:22.579 --> 00:33:22.869
<v Speaker 1>It's

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<v Speaker 2>Terrible.

00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:31.339
<v Speaker 1>Another disaster film from the seventies was from December of 1972, the Passid in adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was because it was released in December of 72.

00:33:34.540 --> 00:33:38.099
<v Speaker 1>It was actually the highest grossing film of 1973.

00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:44.059
<v Speaker 1>It was a Hollywood hit that brought in 84 million helping to solidify the genre.

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:51.220
<v Speaker 1>The film was directed by Ronald neem and stars, Jean Hackman, Shelly winters and red buttons, just to name a few.

00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:57.940
<v Speaker 1>And it was produced by Irwin Allen, who we will talk about that he becomes really the disaster film guy.

00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:10.250
<v Speaker 1>So the presided adventure tells the story of a fictional ocean line and its journey from New York city to Athens on the way to being retired and undersea earthquake causes a tsunami.

00:34:10.510 --> 00:34:22.809
<v Speaker 1>And while you can guess what happens next, it won a bunch of awards, including two academy awards and inspired a sequel beside an adventure is largely considered to be one of the best disaster films of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah.

00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

00:34:25.030 --> 00:34:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:34:25.409 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Quick, quick question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:34:27.099 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 2>So I've never seen

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 1>The, an

00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Adventure Thein adventure.

00:34:31.561 --> 00:34:34.800
<v Speaker 2>However, I did see postin

00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Poin

00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:50.110
<v Speaker 2>Postin from 2006, uh, which sounds very similar where there's a big cruise ship and disaster falls and Kurt Russells on it.

00:34:51.329 --> 00:34:53.150
<v Speaker 2>And the boat turns upside down.

00:34:53.150 --> 00:34:56.710
<v Speaker 2>That's like a big plot point cuz like the whole movie takes place upside down.

00:34:57.469 --> 00:34:59.190
<v Speaker 2>I mean like the, the world is upside down.

00:34:59.489 --> 00:35:00.269
<v Speaker 2>The actors are not

00:35:00.820 --> 00:35:01.110
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:35:01.110 --> 00:35:07.500
<v Speaker 1>So Passid in is a 2006 American survival thriller film directed.

00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.340
<v Speaker 1>And co-produced by Wolfgang Peterson.

00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:11.219
<v Speaker 1>I'm quoting here from Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the third film adaptation of Paul Gallo's 1969 novel the Passid and adventure and a loose remake of the 1972 film of the same name.

00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:23.820
<v Speaker 1>So yes it is.

00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:26.610
<v Speaker 1>So I loose remake of the Passid and adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:35:27.190 --> 00:35:29.090
<v Speaker 2>So I am incredibly right, correct.

00:35:29.349 --> 00:35:29.730
<v Speaker 1>You are.

00:35:30.369 --> 00:35:43.250
<v Speaker 2>I think this is the movie that I'm thinking of where there's a very, if this is the movie that I'm thinking of, there is a very graphic and heartfelt drowning scene

00:35:44.010 --> 00:35:44.570
<v Speaker 1>Spoilers.

00:35:45.380 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying who, but it's very emotional.

00:35:48.219 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you cry?

00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>I remember feeling some things.

00:35:52.630 --> 00:35:53.599
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever cried

00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>In like what, like what's what do you mean?

00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna qualify anymore than that?

00:36:00.429 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever cried?

00:36:02.630 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure.

00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:06.429
<v Speaker 2>Like babe and cry.

00:36:06.980 --> 00:36:08.630
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever cried since you weren't a baby?

00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:09.949
<v Speaker 2>Just being sad.

00:36:10.269 --> 00:36:10.269
<v Speaker 2>Count

00:36:10.889 --> 00:36:14.590
<v Speaker 1>No crying moisture falling from your eyes is what I'm asking.

00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:16.630
<v Speaker 2>Like do you have to be sad?

00:36:17.690 --> 00:36:18.349
<v Speaker 1>You mean crying?

00:36:18.351 --> 00:36:18.949
<v Speaker 1>Happy tears.

00:36:19.059 --> 00:36:19.869
<v Speaker 1>Have you done that?

00:36:20.489 --> 00:36:20.710
<v Speaker 2>No.

00:36:21.820 --> 00:36:22.110
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:36:22.219 --> 00:36:24.429
<v Speaker 1>Well just wanted to check in on that.

00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:32.460
<v Speaker 1>Glad to know where we're at in 1974, producer Irwin Allen rose to the top of the disaster film game.

00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:50.860
<v Speaker 1>In addition to passade an adventure he became known for television shows, Gilligan island and lost in space in 1974, he produced the towering Inferno, which tops many best disaster films of all time lists or at least it places very well.

00:36:51.369 --> 00:36:58.739
<v Speaker 1>It's an Oscar nominated film directed by John Gillerman about a San Francisco skyscraper that becomes engulfed in fire

00:36:59.179 --> 00:36:59.739
<v Speaker 2>Engulfed,

00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:01.730
<v Speaker 1>Engulfed it's stars.

00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:02.849
<v Speaker 1>America's sweetheart.

00:37:03.630 --> 00:37:04.250
<v Speaker 1>Our favorite

00:37:04.610 --> 00:37:05.650
<v Speaker 2>JonBenet Ramsey,

00:37:06.250 --> 00:37:17.289
<v Speaker 1>JonBenet Ramsey, no Paul Newman and America's bad boy, Steve McQueen it also BOS a performance by American murderer, OJ Simpson.

00:37:18.289 --> 00:37:18.289
<v Speaker 2>Oh,

00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 1>So quite the opposite company Ramsey.

00:37:23.900 --> 00:37:32.199
<v Speaker 1>We also have to mention earthquake from 1974, the filmmakers were hoping to copy Alan Irwin's style of disaster film though.

00:37:32.201 --> 00:37:34.159
<v Speaker 1>He was not involved in this one at all.

00:37:34.539 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 1>So they lined up Ava Gardner in Charleston, Heston who navigate as an earthquake hits LA.

00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:42.110
<v Speaker 1>Some critics love it.

00:37:42.110 --> 00:37:50.150
<v Speaker 1>Others think it falls short of the Irwin magic, but everyone agrees that it's nothing too deep or serious, more of a pleasant background film to put on.

00:37:50.150 --> 00:37:52.949
<v Speaker 1>While you do chores to round out the seventies.

00:37:52.969 --> 00:37:56.869
<v Speaker 1>We also have a film called the swarm from 1978.

00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:58.550
<v Speaker 1>Again, back to Alan Irwin.

00:37:58.570 --> 00:37:59.550
<v Speaker 1>He directed this one.

00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:02.340
<v Speaker 1>This film actually has a unique plot.

00:38:03.050 --> 00:38:07.380
<v Speaker 1>Bees hit the United States bees buzz bees.

00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:08.340
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay.

00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.699
<v Speaker 1>It stars Michael Kane and has the vibe of a creature feature.

00:38:12.701 --> 00:38:15.900
<v Speaker 1>Horror film meets disaster flick though.

00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:19.099
<v Speaker 1>Modern audiences seem to turn their noses up at it.

00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:26.210
<v Speaker 1>But if you think that the bees or the swarm is disaster, then it makes sense that the birds are disaster.

00:38:27.150 --> 00:38:29.449
<v Speaker 1>So now we're going to move on to eighties,

00:38:30.650 --> 00:38:31.769
<v Speaker 2>Eighties, what

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Miracle mile from 1988 is an indie film about nuclear apocalypse, but starts as a playful Rocom it has in favorable reviews by critics and audiences online.

00:38:46.550 --> 00:38:46.840
<v Speaker 1>What

00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Was the name of it?

00:38:47.469 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Miracle mile,

00:38:48.590 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Miracle mile.

00:38:50.070 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>It's famous for a scene, which centers around a phone call, which you can watch on YouTube.

00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 1>And I suggest you do.

00:38:56.681 --> 00:39:11.869
<v Speaker 1>If you're interested in filmmaking at all, or of course you can watch the whole film, but in essence, this singular phone kind of sets the scene for the entire plot, gives us like intense and loaded exposition makes you feel super on edge and unsafe.

00:39:11.929 --> 00:39:18.789
<v Speaker 1>And it's just kind of a very unique and impactful mechanism that the filmmakers included in this film

00:39:19.289 --> 00:39:20.469
<v Speaker 2>Scream does the same thing.

00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:21.429
<v Speaker 1>Yep, exactly.

00:39:21.769 --> 00:39:22.670
<v Speaker 1>But this one did it first

00:39:23.489 --> 00:39:23.829
<v Speaker 2>And all.

00:39:24.380 --> 00:39:26.980
<v Speaker 2>So, uh, what's that movie panic room

00:39:27.210 --> 00:39:28.219
<v Speaker 1>When a stranger calls.

00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.420
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good one.

00:39:29.769 --> 00:39:31.659
<v Speaker 1>That film made me scream in the movie theater.

00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:32.699
<v Speaker 1>The remake of it.

00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.420
<v Speaker 2>Oh the ring that there's a creepy phone call on that

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:56.420
<v Speaker 1>We have Ron Howard's back draft from 1991, which is a pinnacle firefighter movie, starring Kurt Russell, William Baldwin and Jennifer Jason Lee, notable feedback is that the firefighters take issue or at least point out that the smoke conditions portrayed on screen are not realistic at all.

00:39:56.420 --> 00:39:56.579
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:39:56.581 --> 00:40:00.289
<v Speaker 1>They don't of course, because you couldn't see what was going on in the film.

00:40:00.469 --> 00:40:09.449
<v Speaker 1>If the smoke conditions were realistic, but that's something that, because this film tried, I think were, was such an intimate look at what firefighters go through.

00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.849
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of just an interesting side note and it was nominated for three academy awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

00:40:16.349 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>So the smoke in the, a film is not dense enough.

00:40:21.739 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Is that what

00:40:22.369 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:40:22.869 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:40:23.161 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like it's almost like blackout conditions.

00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh sure.

00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:27.800
<v Speaker 1>And so they, you could never have that.

00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>That's not, uh, interesting filmmaking or maybe it would make people too panicky.

00:40:33.001 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:40:33.260 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 1>But you couldn't see what was happening.

00:40:35.489 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:40:35.869 --> 00:40:41.469
<v Speaker 2>It's like filming nighttime exteriors in the woods, right.

00:40:41.469 --> 00:40:41.590
<v Speaker 1>With

00:40:41.949 --> 00:40:42.150
<v Speaker 2>No lights.

00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:42.590
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:40:42.590 --> 00:40:44.389
<v Speaker 2>That would theoretically just be black.

00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:44.750
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.989
<v Speaker 2>Maybe like a little bit of moon, but no, there's like usually that gigantic blue light off on the distance.

00:40:51.099 --> 00:40:51.389
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:40:51.730 --> 00:40:54.070
<v Speaker 2>That's that's supposedly the moon, I guess.

00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:54.469
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:40:54.889 --> 00:40:57.949
<v Speaker 2>But everyone's just stumbling around cuz it's too dark to see right

00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:10.019
<v Speaker 1>Now is the time We have twister from 1996, starring dream girl, Helen Hunt and bill Paxton

00:41:10.780 --> 00:41:11.539
<v Speaker 2>And bill Paxton

00:41:12.269 --> 00:41:16.940
<v Speaker 1>About a separated couple who come back together over their love for storm chasing.

00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:19.139
<v Speaker 2>Did you write that?

00:41:20.219 --> 00:41:20.219
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:41:22.329 --> 00:41:22.329
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:41:22.809 --> 00:41:22.809
<v Speaker 2>Continue.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a huge fan of the film that

00:41:27.289 --> 00:41:27.570
<v Speaker 2>It's not it all.

00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:28.449
<v Speaker 2>How to describe the movie.

00:41:28.590 --> 00:41:29.130
<v Speaker 2>That's good.

00:41:29.230 --> 00:41:29.449
<v Speaker 2>How

00:41:29.449 --> 00:41:30.449
<v Speaker 1>Would you describe the movie?

00:41:30.949 --> 00:41:32.409
<v Speaker 2>That's a movie about tornadoes.

00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:33.329
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah.

00:41:33.331 --> 00:41:33.610
<v Speaker 1>It is.

00:41:34.530 --> 00:41:34.889
<v Speaker 2>Where is it?

00:41:35.849 --> 00:41:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I literally wrote in the outline everything from Hunt's cargo pants and wrist watch to the terrifying and incredibly well done.

00:41:43.349 --> 00:41:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Tornadoes is perfect.

00:41:45.789 --> 00:41:52.199
<v Speaker 1>This film also features Philip Seymour Hoffman and many other quirky characters that make up the storm chasing crew.

00:41:53.179 --> 00:41:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Paxton describes the film as traumatic and fun for the whole family.

00:41:57.420 --> 00:42:05.190
<v Speaker 1>The film's director, Jan Debon who also directed is famous for the mix of practical effects in CGI.

00:42:05.969 --> 00:42:08.710
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quote Helen Hunt from a vulture interview.

00:42:09.789 --> 00:42:12.909
<v Speaker 1>Quote, all I know is at the time I was pretty freaked out.

00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:19.750
<v Speaker 1>You'd get through five days of the hail machine throwing actual bits of hail at you and you'd go, oof, that's done tomorrow.

00:42:19.751 --> 00:42:20.389
<v Speaker 1>Must be easier.

00:42:21.050 --> 00:42:22.739
<v Speaker 1>And then the shards are of candy glass.

00:42:22.769 --> 00:42:27.099
<v Speaker 1>Fake glass would be thrown at you on the floor of some garage and then there'd be a jet engine.

00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:32.780
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the easy part of the shoot and then we'd have a scene inside, but it was 110 degrees.

00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:33.780
<v Speaker 1>It was rigorous.

00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:39.380
<v Speaker 1>And Jan Debon, there's a reason his films look so cool, which is what you want in a filmmaker.

00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:40.179
<v Speaker 1>It really is.

00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:46.860
<v Speaker 1>So this film is famous for the very, very rigorous conditions that the cast had to go through.

00:42:46.889 --> 00:42:52.420
<v Speaker 1>Obviously we just heard Helen Hunt talk about how intense it was to actually be on set.

00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.980
<v Speaker 2>So just fun filmmaking trivia here.

00:42:56.260 --> 00:42:56.260
<v Speaker 2>Here

00:42:56.429 --> 00:42:56.809
<v Speaker 1>We go.

00:42:57.070 --> 00:43:01.449
<v Speaker 2>So anytime you're doing something with gratuitous special effects yeah.

00:43:01.769 --> 00:43:07.090
<v Speaker 2>Specifically practical effects, but CGI still has its own, uh, hurdles to overcome.

00:43:07.530 --> 00:43:07.530
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:43:07.889 --> 00:43:28.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh, but when dealing with practical effects, there is so much time and effort that goes into setting these up, resetting them and from a crew perspective, unless you are like the special effects team, you got a pretty slow day or sorry, or the art team, I'm sure art is busy as hell.

00:43:28.250 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:43:28.940 --> 00:43:36.599
<v Speaker 2>But normally it's like, okay, you're gonna have three hours of rehearsal and set up in prep.

00:43:36.619 --> 00:43:42.150
<v Speaker 2>And then you're gonna,'em at once spend another, you know, hour and a half resetting and then you film it again.

00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:42.869
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:43:43.329 --> 00:43:46.309
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, that's not a lot of time to actually be recording.

00:43:46.889 --> 00:43:53.230
<v Speaker 2>But what that means for the actors is that they have to worry about all this crap going on around them.

00:43:53.809 --> 00:43:57.829
<v Speaker 2>And then also be able to turn things on and off like a big switch, right.

00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:03.420
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, you're not gonna really staying in character with all this crap going on.

00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:24.530
<v Speaker 2>You know, she's trying to have like an so Helen, Hunt's trying to have like a, like a real heartfelt conversation with, you know, her, her co-stars and there's a turbine throwing hail at her, you know, I'm sure some of that can be used as motivation, but a lot of times you just have to like shut it off because what is there is not, what's supposed to be there.

00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:32.610
<v Speaker 2>So there's an extra layer of dedication and complexity that goes into giving a good performance with all these things going on.

00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:33.170
<v Speaker 1>Totally.

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:33.690
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:44:33.690 --> 00:44:34.369
<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

00:44:34.489 --> 00:44:35.409
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't thought about that.

00:44:35.789 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 2>And yet so much respect because it's hard giving a great performance on screen.

00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And in this case in twister, like all the performance are like absolutely stellar.

00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>You you're you're with them every step of the way everything feels so genuine.

00:44:50.539 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And then you realize that nothing is genuine.

00:44:53.679 --> 00:45:01.429
<v Speaker 2>They, meanwhile, you got fricking Rodney over there just throwing buckets of ice at down hunt while the other person hits her with a turbine.

00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:02.030
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:45:02.130 --> 00:45:03.670
<v Speaker 2>You know, like that's, that's tough.

00:45:03.670 --> 00:45:06.230
<v Speaker 2>And she just had to tune all that out and still give a genuine performance.

00:45:06.340 --> 00:45:06.630
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:45:06.630 --> 00:45:18.630
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this question for your perspective, because I think twister is unique in that it combines practical effects in CGI, which maybe isn't unique, but at the time it was sort of a new thing.

00:45:19.369 --> 00:45:28.579
<v Speaker 1>But when you, you have films where obviously a lot of it is done in post-production, is that equally as hard for actors do you think to react to?

00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:34.219
<v Speaker 1>And of course, cuz there's not, you know, a, unless you're James Cameron there, that's not the case.

00:45:34.221 --> 00:45:34.500
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:45:34.501 --> 00:45:38.900
<v Speaker 1>There's the rock, you know, is, is there's no tsunami behind the rock.

00:45:39.090 --> 00:45:40.340
<v Speaker 1>He's pretending that there is.

00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:50.619
<v Speaker 1>And so is that harder for them like CGI versus practical or, or is it easier to kind of like assume that they can get into the head space of that?

00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:57.449
<v Speaker 2>It varies your, your, your mileage may vary so off.

00:45:57.530 --> 00:46:01.289
<v Speaker 2>I mean, actors wanna be able to experience what they're supposed to be experiencing.

00:46:01.849 --> 00:46:04.449
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course right now, obviously,

00:46:04.670 --> 00:46:06.809
<v Speaker 1>But they don't necessarily wanna experience a tornado.

00:46:07.150 --> 00:46:24.639
<v Speaker 2>No, not a tornado, but what I'm saying is like, if a, an example of how it should never be done is George Lucas during the original, like the star wars episodes one through three that's when they just threw PE, they just threw the actors onto a green screen.

00:46:25.230 --> 00:46:27.840
<v Speaker 2>They didn't even know what the environments were gonna look like.

00:46:28.010 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 2>You know?

00:46:29.179 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 2>And Lucas was like, oh yeah.

00:46:30.619 --> 00:46:33.800
<v Speaker 2>So there's like, uh, it's like a, your overlooking the, the city.

00:46:34.590 --> 00:46:36.829
<v Speaker 2>Well, what's the, he look like, oh, it's like space and.

00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:38.030
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:46:38.329 --> 00:46:40.710
<v Speaker 2>And they're just giving these, uh, performances.

00:46:40.989 --> 00:46:46.750
<v Speaker 2>They're, they're kind of have to pull outta their because they're just having to imagine what they're seeing.

00:46:46.751 --> 00:46:53.550
<v Speaker 2>They have not, they have no genuine, uh, reactions to anything because there's nothing to react to right now on the other side of things.

00:46:54.269 --> 00:47:08.699
<v Speaker 2>Uh, like I, I love that you brought up James can Cameron, you have the directors that just go to the painstaking effort to let the actors be themselves and, and experience the rendered world, if you will.

00:47:08.750 --> 00:47:09.099
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:14.780
<v Speaker 2>And what they'll do is, you know, so say you're dealing with like Andy circus, right?

00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:15.980
<v Speaker 2>The Mr.

00:47:16.300 --> 00:47:16.300
<v Speaker 2>Mr.

00:47:16.670 --> 00:47:16.889
<v Speaker 2>Mr.

00:47:16.891 --> 00:47:20.969
<v Speaker 2>Motion capture himself, they have all the cameras on him.

00:47:21.309 --> 00:47:29.170
<v Speaker 2>So like all the things that he's like, he's doing, you know, the actors are interacting with Andy circus so that they're gonna paint him out and put the CGI model in.

00:47:29.170 --> 00:47:29.449
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:47:29.710 --> 00:47:34.449
<v Speaker 2>But the actors still get to interact with Andy circus or the character that he's portraying.

00:47:34.451 --> 00:47:34.769
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:47:34.829 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes they'll put a giant tennis ball, uh, on a stick poke another head because the actor is supposed like the, the character is supposed to be yeah.

00:47:42.201 --> 00:47:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Like three feet taller.

00:47:43.010 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:50.679
<v Speaker 2>It, it allows them to kinda like play around in the space and then they can adjust the 3d rendering after the fact.

00:47:50.730 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:52.119
<v Speaker 2>To answer your question.

00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I think actors always want to experience the practical effects.

00:47:55.570 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:58.829
<v Speaker 2>Unless it's like ridiculously dangerous.

00:47:59.860 --> 00:48:00.150
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:48:00.829 --> 00:48:05.750
<v Speaker 1>It leads most of the time, hopefully to a more authentic performance.

00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:11.150
<v Speaker 2>There's the famous story of Ian McAllen on the Lord of the ring set.

00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:17.789
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I think this was in fellowship where they, when they were filming in bill bows house.

00:48:19.250 --> 00:48:24.579
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that, that was a movie that mixed a lot of practical and special effects, but there's one time.

00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:26.059
<v Speaker 2>And I think it was in billables house.

00:48:26.061 --> 00:48:31.900
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it wasn't where, uh, I McLellan is sitting all by himself on the sound stage.

00:48:31.900 --> 00:48:36.860
<v Speaker 2>And there's all these like paper plates with like the act like the character's faces on them.

00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.179
<v Speaker 2>And, and just like, there's like, oh yeah.

00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.179
<v Speaker 2>So this guy's over here, this guy's over here.

00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.980
<v Speaker 2>And then you have to say your line to like this, like chalk mark here, you know?

00:48:45.380 --> 00:48:51.260
<v Speaker 2>Cause don't worry, the eyelines are gonna work out and, and Macall just had a breakdown and he's like, this is not why it became an actor.

00:48:51.429 --> 00:48:51.780
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:53.489
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I, I got you.

00:48:53.490 --> 00:48:53.730
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:48:53.769 --> 00:48:55.170
<v Speaker 2>I, I, I understand that.

00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:55.650
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.929
<v Speaker 1>Just like acting off of paper plates.

00:48:58.170 --> 00:48:58.170
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:58.730
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:48:58.869 --> 00:49:00.530
<v Speaker 1>That's that's rough.

00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:01.809
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:49:02.449 --> 00:49:03.170
<v Speaker 2>That that's rough.

00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:11.730
<v Speaker 1>Obviously a huge part of disaster films is special effects without a believable disaster.

00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to have the right level of fear and empathy needed for a successful film.

00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:23.199
<v Speaker 1>Enter Titanic a year after twister, 1997, we have Titanic.

00:49:24.179 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 2>So 19, 19 98,

00:49:26.780 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 1>No twister was 1996.

00:49:28.161 --> 00:49:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Titanic was 1997.

00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:30.280
<v Speaker 2>That's what, that's what I said.

00:49:30.699 --> 00:49:33.630
<v Speaker 1>We absolutely cannot discuss this genre out.

00:49:33.630 --> 00:49:34.030
<v Speaker 1>Titanic.

00:49:34.409 --> 00:49:37.190
<v Speaker 1>Why produced, written and directed by James Cameron.

00:49:38.050 --> 00:49:40.949
<v Speaker 1>It stars Leonardo de capo and Kate Winslet.

00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:45.269
<v Speaker 1>A defining moment from, I would say a lot of people's childhoods.

00:49:45.730 --> 00:49:47.349
<v Speaker 1>The two VHS tapes

00:49:48.019 --> 00:49:49.309
<v Speaker 2>Tape twos were the boobs are in

00:49:50.670 --> 00:49:55.820
<v Speaker 1>With a budget of 200 million Titanic brought over 2.2 billion.

00:49:57.369 --> 00:50:12.539
<v Speaker 1>It's based on the true life sinking of the ocean liner of the same name, which started on April 15th, 1912, Cameron had a fascination with shipwrecks and considered the RMS Titanic, the quote Everest of shipwrecks.

00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:21.050
<v Speaker 1>The film includes full of the actual shipwreck of the Titanic, which Cameron and his crew shot 12 times in 1995.

00:50:21.869 --> 00:50:23.369
<v Speaker 2>Why, why were they filming at 12 times?

00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.130
<v Speaker 1>Because it was actually so difficult to film.

00:50:26.949 --> 00:50:30.170
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it required 12 filming expeditions to get the footage they needed.

00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:30.610
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:50:30.610 --> 00:50:43.360
<v Speaker 1>So here's a quote on that from Wikipedia at that depth with a pressure of 6,000 pounds per square inch, one small flaw in the vessel super structure would mean instant death for all on board.

00:50:44.099 --> 00:51:14.110
<v Speaker 1>Not only were the dives high risk, but adverse conditions prevented Cameron from getting the high quality footage that he wanted during one dive one of the submersibles collided with Titanic hu damaging, both sub and ship and leaving fragments of the submersibles, propeller shroud scattered around the super structure, the external bulk head of captain Smith's quarters collapsed exposing the interior, the area around the entrance to the grand staircase was also damaged.

00:51:14.849 --> 00:51:18.659
<v Speaker 2>That's what you want when trying to film a hundred year old historic artifact.

00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:19.420
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:20.579
<v Speaker 2>Hit it with your boat.

00:51:21.010 --> 00:51:26.300
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was funny because Cameron had to convince like the studio, because it was so much more expensive.

00:51:26.489 --> 00:51:30.780
<v Speaker 1>Like they could have built a model and filmed that, but it was so much more expensive to actually go.

00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:35.619
<v Speaker 1>But he was like, listen, like, you know, for this amount dollars more, we could actually go and have it.

00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:40.780
<v Speaker 1>And then they go 12 times and they it up.

00:51:41.570 --> 00:51:42.500
<v Speaker 2>Just imagine him.

00:51:43.010 --> 00:51:49.940
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know we've already gone 11 times, but this next one, this is the one we're gonna get the real good shots

00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:52.050
<v Speaker 1>Quoting Cameron.

00:51:52.989 --> 00:52:04.690
<v Speaker 1>It was an event that happened to real people who really died working around the wreck for so much time, you get such a strong sense of the profound sadness and injustice of it and the message of it.

00:52:05.190 --> 00:52:09.409
<v Speaker 1>You think there probably aren't going to be many filmmakers who go to the Titanic.

00:52:09.739 --> 00:52:13.239
<v Speaker 1>There may never be another one, maybe a documentarian end quote.

00:52:14.659 --> 00:52:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And then just a fun fact, Cameron actually sketched the portrait of rose that Jack draws in the movie.

00:52:21.500 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Did he really?

00:52:23.019 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I found that out while I was researching

00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 2>It.

00:52:25.041 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 2>That's impressive.

00:52:25.789 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:52:26.739 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you think she modeled for him?

00:52:28.429 --> 00:52:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely.

00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:36.230
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't, I, I would assume that he drew it like while they were on set, like while she was on the couch.

00:52:36.420 --> 00:52:44.070
<v Speaker 2>Just imagine that because they're rolling actual film and just like hundreds and hundreds of feet go by thousands of dollars of stock.

00:52:44.070 --> 00:52:46.630
<v Speaker 2>And he's just like slowly sketching from his director's chair.

00:52:48.219 --> 00:52:49.230
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, keep rolling

00:52:50.219 --> 00:52:56.340
<v Speaker 1>Titanic swept awards season bringing home four golden Globes and 14 academy awards.

00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:09.539
<v Speaker 1>So similar to the Abys that Titanic was made in both films by James Cameron, he, he essentially recreated the ship in a huge pool.

00:53:09.929 --> 00:53:10.219
<v Speaker 1>They

00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:10.900
<v Speaker 2>Did like what?

00:53:10.900 --> 00:53:11.780
<v Speaker 2>It was like a in sunk.

00:53:11.900 --> 00:53:15.050
<v Speaker 2>It, it like a, like a one fifth, not one fifth this way.

00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:15.969
<v Speaker 2>It's still huge.

00:53:16.690 --> 00:53:18.010
<v Speaker 2>Uh, it was something significantly.

00:53:18.010 --> 00:53:19.409
<v Speaker 2>It was a lot larger than you'd expect.

00:53:20.210 --> 00:53:24.170
<v Speaker 2>So they made an actual model of the ship to film the exteriors.

00:53:24.190 --> 00:53:26.570
<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't all CGI, which I thought was kind of wild.

00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:27.530
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:53:27.530 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 1>So I found some information on the model that was built on a web site called zimbio.com.

00:53:35.349 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:53:36.349 --> 00:53:42.880
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, James Cameron's full scale Titanic and five other incredible movie models by Adam Wegner.

00:53:43.460 --> 00:53:45.079
<v Speaker 1>So he recreated the Titanic.

00:53:45.539 --> 00:53:51.679
<v Speaker 1>The full scale ship was built on 40 acres of Mexican waterfront purchased by 20th century Fox.

00:53:52.659 --> 00:54:01.150
<v Speaker 1>It floated in a 17 million gallon water tank that allowed Cameron to film 270 degrees of fake ocean.

00:54:02.369 --> 00:54:07.590
<v Speaker 1>So nearly every part of the ship was recreated using old photographs and the original blueprints.

00:54:07.849 --> 00:54:13.510
<v Speaker 1>So it was a full scale model, which again, like including the interior, not just the exterior shots,

00:54:13.829 --> 00:54:14.500
<v Speaker 2>Which just crazy.

00:54:14.769 --> 00:54:15.059
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:22.460
<v Speaker 1>So he rebuilt the whole, the Titanic at scale, filmed it and sunk it in a huge pool.

00:54:22.769 --> 00:54:26.059
<v Speaker 2>What a jerk, just to make it, just to ruin it again.

00:54:26.769 --> 00:54:27.059
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:54:28.329 --> 00:54:33.139
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty, I mean, that's like budget filmmaking, you know what I mean?

00:54:33.141 --> 00:54:35.659
<v Speaker 1>That's like a whole nother tier of what's possible.

00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:48.139
<v Speaker 2>I remember, I think it wasn't that long ago where someone was trying to make a, like rebuild the Titanic to, to redo the dev voyage.

00:54:48.730 --> 00:54:48.849
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

00:54:48.869 --> 00:54:51.010
<v Speaker 2>And they were surprised they were having trouble selling tickets.

00:54:52.070 --> 00:54:52.650
<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

00:54:53.449 --> 00:54:57.170
<v Speaker 2>I mean, fortunately, no, we don't have to worry about things like icebergs anymore.

00:54:57.170 --> 00:54:58.170
<v Speaker 2>Thanks to climate change.

00:54:59.989 --> 00:55:06.889
<v Speaker 1>We should also call out a film called a night to remember from 1958, which is also about the sinking of the Titanic.

00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:15.360
<v Speaker 1>This version of the story is more focused on the characters and how they handle what is happening versus the actual sinking of the ship.

00:55:16.030 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 1>It's part of the criterion collection.

00:55:17.900 --> 00:55:20.119
<v Speaker 1>And by all accounts is incredibly powerful.

00:55:20.539 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Did you like it

00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:22.400
<v Speaker 1>A night to remember?

00:55:22.659 --> 00:55:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Did you like it?

00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I did not watch it.

00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:25.960
<v Speaker 2>So you hated it.

00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:37.389
<v Speaker 1>I hate, no, it sounds interesting because the whole thing is that it's like, it shows very little about like there's very little effects at all, included like the disaster.

00:55:37.590 --> 00:55:43.789
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if it's like kind of alluded to it's more so about watching people that night and how they respond to what's happening.

00:55:43.791 --> 00:55:56.619
<v Speaker 1>So I am very interested to watch it because within a genre that's so focused on spectacle and especially when you have Titanic, which is all, you know, this film is kind of like stripped out all of that part.

00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:03.300
<v Speaker 1>And it's just about watching people's reactions to it, which I think does feel like a very smart, but also sure.

00:56:03.699 --> 00:56:04.900
<v Speaker 1>Powerful look at the same incident.

00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:10.809
<v Speaker 1>So the mid nineties, we have a string of hit films that you've probably heard, heard of.

00:56:10.811 --> 00:56:11.010
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:56:11.309 --> 00:56:11.690
<v Speaker 1>Hit me.

00:56:11.829 --> 00:56:12.849
<v Speaker 1>We have deep impact.

00:56:13.190 --> 00:56:14.210
<v Speaker 1>We have Armageddon.

00:56:14.429 --> 00:56:15.570
<v Speaker 1>We have Dante's peak.

00:56:15.869 --> 00:56:16.690
<v Speaker 1>We have volcano,

00:56:17.659 --> 00:56:19.530
<v Speaker 2>Great movies all round.

00:56:20.110 --> 00:56:21.489
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna put the core in there.

00:56:22.309 --> 00:56:23.210
<v Speaker 1>We have the core.

00:56:24.070 --> 00:56:25.090
<v Speaker 2>Is that that on your list?

00:56:25.269 --> 00:56:25.489
<v Speaker 2>No.

00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:26.329
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean slight it's, it's a slightly, you know what we're we'll table the core.

00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:34.599
<v Speaker 2>We'll come back to it on another episode.

00:56:34.989 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:56:35.940 --> 00:56:41.880
<v Speaker 2>But the premise of that is that the Earth's core stops spinning, and that's a problem.

00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Speaker 2>It just stops.

00:56:43.980 --> 00:56:45.239
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, oh, that's bad.

00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 2>We gotta get it going again.

00:56:47.349 --> 00:56:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Deep impact the media.

00:56:48.860 --> 00:56:49.840
<v Speaker 2>That's the meteor movie.

00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen that in a long time.

00:56:51.780 --> 00:56:52.070
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:56:52.070 --> 00:56:52.349
<v Speaker 1>Same.

00:56:52.351 --> 00:56:52.750
<v Speaker 1>That's

00:56:52.750 --> 00:56:53.150
<v Speaker 2>A fun one.

00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:54.550
<v Speaker 1>Armageddon,

00:56:55.150 --> 00:56:57.030
<v Speaker 2>Ugh, Armageddon classic Movie.

00:56:57.150 --> 00:56:59.550
<v Speaker 2>I always try to get you to watch and you're like, you.

00:57:00.260 --> 00:57:02.469
<v Speaker 1>That has literally never happened.

00:57:03.250 --> 00:57:04.349
<v Speaker 2>And then you hit me with the belt.

00:57:04.420 --> 00:57:04.989
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible.

00:57:06.590 --> 00:57:11.710
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Armageddon, I think depending on your age is like a pretty pinnacle movie to your

00:57:12.969 --> 00:57:13.260
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:19.420
<v Speaker 2>Except even at a young age, there was the one detail that always bothered me.

00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:23.659
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, I know this is like one of the biggest CRI like criticisms of the film.

00:57:23.849 --> 00:57:24.139
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:36.139
<v Speaker 2>But they train oil, riggers oil drillers to be astronauts because apparently that's faster than training astronauts, how to drill for oil.

00:57:38.969 --> 00:57:39.539
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough.

00:57:39.650 --> 00:57:40.739
<v Speaker 1>Well, what was the film?

00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:50.610
<v Speaker 1>Is it the Abys where they're they're oil drillers and they have to be trained to do all of these like, uh, Navy underwater things.

00:57:51.750 --> 00:57:51.969
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:57:52.349 --> 00:57:53.530
<v Speaker 1>But they're oil drillers.

00:57:53.530 --> 00:57:58.130
<v Speaker 1>Like they're not meant to go in and you know, do the things they have to do, but

00:57:58.230 --> 00:58:00.449
<v Speaker 2>In the Abys they kind of explain it.

00:58:00.949 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying, I'm trying to remember what, what, what exposition they give one was that a, there was already a military presence going down with them.

00:58:07.809 --> 00:58:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Uh, and secondly, like this was already like a pretty geological thing that they were doing.

00:58:14.769 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:58:15.260 --> 00:58:16.639
<v Speaker 2>And this was the area of expertise.

00:58:17.019 --> 00:58:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

00:58:17.469 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Because they weren't, they couldn't pro they couldn't properly prepare for what they were going to encounter until they got down there.

00:58:24.050 --> 00:58:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:58:24.579 --> 00:58:30.750
<v Speaker 2>So they needed somebody who would have the expertise to be flexible, uh, and improvised in these geological situations,

00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:32.829
<v Speaker 1>Geological situations.

00:58:33.170 --> 00:58:34.150
<v Speaker 2>That's the name of your band?

00:58:34.150 --> 00:58:34.550
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it?

00:58:34.809 --> 00:58:37.789
<v Speaker 1>That's the name of Abby and the geological situations.

00:58:39.469 --> 00:58:39.750
<v Speaker 2>I like

00:58:39.750 --> 00:58:39.909
<v Speaker 1>That.

00:58:40.179 --> 00:58:40.469
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:58:41.210 --> 00:58:47.590
<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite disaster films is the perfect storm from 2000, which is all about rogue waves.

00:58:47.590 --> 00:58:48.139
<v Speaker 1>My friend end,

00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:48.900
<v Speaker 2>Is

00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:49.059
<v Speaker 1>It?

00:58:49.659 --> 00:58:49.659
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

00:58:50.260 --> 00:58:53.619
<v Speaker 1>Directed by Wolfgang Peterson who also directed dos boot.

00:58:54.250 --> 00:59:04.300
<v Speaker 1>It's based on a bestselling book series by Sebastian younger, younger, it stars George Clooney and mark Walberg John Hawks and John C.

00:59:04.300 --> 00:59:04.300
<v Speaker 1>Riley.

00:59:05.139 --> 00:59:10.210
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I went to see it with my family, when it came out in the movie, the, we were on vacation, up in Maine.

00:59:10.989 --> 00:59:13.409
<v Speaker 1>And so we were already kind of at the ocean.

00:59:13.460 --> 00:59:13.809
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:59:14.309 --> 00:59:17.769
<v Speaker 1>And we, the only place to sit in the movie theater was the first row.

00:59:18.050 --> 00:59:19.929
<v Speaker 1>Cuz like, you know, I don't know we got there later or something.

00:59:20.309 --> 00:59:23.210
<v Speaker 1>So we sat in the first row to watch a perfect storm.

00:59:23.210 --> 00:59:27.809
<v Speaker 1>And I think we all probably got sick afterwards, but really great film.

00:59:28.050 --> 00:59:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I really, really love that movie.

00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember that it was like storm cells converging.

00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember.

00:59:35.641 --> 00:59:37.159
<v Speaker 2>It was rogue waves meeting up.

00:59:37.909 --> 00:59:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Well there's rogue waves in the film.

00:59:40.190 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh, maybe it's saying it is about rogue waves is misleading.

00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it's

00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:46.760
<v Speaker 1>But it's the first time I was like, oh, what's a rogue wave.

00:59:47.110 --> 00:59:48.199
<v Speaker 2>That was your first time.

00:59:48.550 --> 00:59:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

00:59:49.849 --> 00:59:51.630
<v Speaker 1>And my dad was like, well let me tell you

00:59:52.389 --> 00:59:53.030
<v Speaker 2>Rogue waves are the best.

00:59:53.579 --> 00:59:54.389
<v Speaker 1>They're the best.

00:59:54.829 --> 00:59:58.869
<v Speaker 1>I mean, not when they hit and kill people, but they're very cool.

00:59:59.289 --> 01:00:03.469
<v Speaker 1>The day after tomorrow from 2004 Alan's favorite disaster film, great

01:00:03.469 --> 01:00:03.670
<v Speaker 2>Movie

01:00:03.699 --> 01:00:08.710
<v Speaker 1>Written and directed by Ronald Emer, starring Jake Gillin hall and Dennis cue.

01:00:09.369 --> 01:00:11.019
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna upset you ready?

01:00:11.610 --> 01:00:11.900
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:00:12.190 --> 01:00:15.619
<v Speaker 1>Roger Ebert said it was quote unquote profoundly silly.

01:00:16.409 --> 01:00:18.099
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he's a boomer.

01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:34.059
<v Speaker 1>So what do you think of the, I mean, I think one thing that makes some of these films endure is when the effects last and I think in day after tomorrow, the effects still work as modern viewers.

01:00:34.061 --> 01:00:38.420
<v Speaker 1>When we watched it back recently, it didn't feel unrealistic.

01:00:38.420 --> 01:00:43.500
<v Speaker 1>Like it didn't feel like, you know, it didn't take me out of it sometimes computerized effects don't age.

01:00:43.501 --> 01:00:48.130
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think in this case it did, even though it's pretty old, you know, it

01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:48.489
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

01:00:48.490 --> 01:00:49.130
<v Speaker 2>Comparatively

01:00:49.309 --> 01:00:53.730
<v Speaker 1>2004, you know, 15 years ago, 16 years ago, 17 years ago.

01:00:53.929 --> 01:01:00.530
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this was a budgetary thing or not, but so geo storm, which came out in 2017 has a lot of the same visuals Hmm.

01:01:00.739 --> 01:01:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Where just like cities getting overrun by or fire or something and geo star amongst terrible by comparison, despite being over 10 years newer.

01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh, and I, I, again, I, I don't know if that was because they used all CGI and not practical, whether it just came down to the artist or just that it's just, it was just done better.

01:01:25.081 --> 01:01:25.750
<v Speaker 2>I don't don't know.

01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:26.150
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:01:26.449 --> 01:01:26.829
<v Speaker 2>But yeah.

01:01:26.849 --> 01:01:28.989
<v Speaker 2>Day after tomorrow, aged super, super well.

01:01:29.349 --> 01:01:29.349
<v Speaker 2>Mm.

01:01:29.820 --> 01:01:31.590
<v Speaker 2>Will it really stand the test of time?

01:01:32.150 --> 01:01:34.230
<v Speaker 2>We'll, we'll find out, you know, like

01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:35.550
<v Speaker 1>We'll check back every decade.

01:01:35.980 --> 01:01:41.349
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, this is something that I think about often Lord of the rings, the CGI, and that is great.

01:01:41.789 --> 01:01:50.059
<v Speaker 2>It, the movie just glues itself together, however, you can just look at the animation quality between that and the Hobbit.

01:01:50.619 --> 01:01:50.619
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:01:50.679 --> 01:02:01.460
<v Speaker 2>And the Hobbit is technically technically better, you know, from a technical standpoint, but you're so much more aware that you're watching CGI in the Hobbit than you are in Lord of the rings.

01:02:01.909 --> 01:02:02.260
<v Speaker 1>Right.

01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:11.489
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, in 50 years from now, and people are looking at these movies as like, wow, this was a time capsule back back before the earth burned.

01:02:11.490 --> 01:02:13.809
<v Speaker 2>Like, I guess everyone just lived in middle earth.

01:02:14.929 --> 01:02:19.650
<v Speaker 2>Um, you know, are they, is it going to look crazy, crazy day deep then?

01:02:20.150 --> 01:02:26.610
<v Speaker 2>Or is it still just gonna look like how we look at just purely visual or practical effects?

01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:28.880
<v Speaker 1>You know what film will always look good?

01:02:29.190 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 1>What twister

01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.400
<v Speaker 2>See twister, another thing where it's CGI,

01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't look like CGI,

01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I think, but again, through a modern lens, will that change?

01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:45.800
<v Speaker 1>No, not with twister.

01:02:46.070 --> 01:02:50.389
<v Speaker 2>It's like the phenomenal of when like a new game system comes out.

01:02:50.849 --> 01:03:03.789
<v Speaker 2>Now we're kind of past the point of diminishing returns, but I remember when like PlayStation two came out and you're looking at all these things and like crisp fish 3d, and I'm just thinking, wow, games just peaked.

01:03:04.059 --> 01:03:05.789
<v Speaker 2>They can't get, they can't get any better.

01:03:05.791 --> 01:03:07.789
<v Speaker 2>This is, so this is so realistic.

01:03:07.949 --> 01:03:08.300
<v Speaker 1>Right?

01:03:08.849 --> 01:03:10.820
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, you look at them now and they're just.

01:03:12.929 --> 01:03:13.219
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:14.940
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's definitely an interesting, yeah.

01:03:15.139 --> 01:03:25.739
<v Speaker 1>A time will tell in modern times, AKA after 2010 or so we have melancholia from 2011, uh, from our dear friend, Lars Vare.

01:03:25.849 --> 01:03:26.659
<v Speaker 2>He's our dear friend.

01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.059
<v Speaker 1>No, he's a complicated friend of mine starring Kristin DUNS.

01:03:31.061 --> 01:03:36.579
<v Speaker 1>The films disaster is that an out of orbit planet is suddenly speeding towards

01:03:36.590 --> 01:03:36.940
<v Speaker 2>Earth.

01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:37.260
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:41.579
<v Speaker 1>The vulture article called it the ultimate disaster movie.

01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:47.690
<v Speaker 1>And I, I think like the interesting thing is Kristin DUNS character is a really depressed character.

01:03:47.750 --> 01:03:54.849
<v Speaker 1>And because of that becomes sort of like the perfect character to be levelheaded about what's happening.

01:03:54.949 --> 01:03:59.010
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of also an examination of that in mental health.

01:03:59.389 --> 01:04:02.769
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that is melancholia from 2011.

01:04:03.340 --> 01:04:19.840
<v Speaker 1>We also have, I think it's kind of like a very pinnacle in a way film of the genre very on the nose maybe is better to say, but Santa and Andreas from 2015, starring Dwayne, the rock Johnson in Alexandria, dad, Dario,

01:04:20.539 --> 01:04:26.190
<v Speaker 2>Not to be confused with skyscraper, which is a very similar movie.

01:04:26.820 --> 01:04:28.110
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen skyscraper.

01:04:28.219 --> 01:04:29.989
<v Speaker 2>It's another rock rock movie,

01:04:30.250 --> 01:04:31.230
<v Speaker 1>Dwayne, the rock Johnson.

01:04:31.619 --> 01:04:31.909
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:04:31.929 --> 01:04:33.829
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, there's like a big building.

01:04:34.260 --> 01:04:35.670
<v Speaker 2>It's like coming down like

01:04:35.710 --> 01:04:36.349
<v Speaker 1>A skyscraper.

01:04:36.351 --> 01:04:36.590
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:04:36.590 --> 01:04:37.309
<v Speaker 2>He is gotta get out.

01:04:38.070 --> 01:04:39.429
<v Speaker 2>I think, I think it's from an earthquake.

01:04:39.780 --> 01:04:40.389
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure.

01:04:41.269 --> 01:04:41.750
<v Speaker 2>Oh, nevermind.

01:04:42.469 --> 01:04:42.989
<v Speaker 2>His terrorists.

01:04:44.219 --> 01:04:46.099
<v Speaker 1>Well, terrorism still counts as disaster.

01:04:47.699 --> 01:04:48.300
<v Speaker 2>Uh sure.

01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:51.059
<v Speaker 2>Um, but yeah, I guess sky, I'm sorry.

01:04:51.579 --> 01:04:57.500
<v Speaker 2>I knew skyscraper was identical to another movie, but that movie is die hard.

01:04:57.960 --> 01:04:58.699
<v Speaker 1>Oh, got it.

01:04:58.701 --> 01:04:58.980
<v Speaker 1>Got it.

01:04:59.610 --> 01:04:59.900
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>San Andreas again is just kind of great DISA shots of the west coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

01:05:06.130 --> 01:05:09.489
<v Speaker 1>Cheesy lines, mediocre acting very how

01:05:10.289 --> 01:05:11.010
<v Speaker 2>Dare you cringy

01:05:11.050 --> 01:05:14.849
<v Speaker 1>Familial drama, but it's kinda a classic disaster film.

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<v Speaker 2>Dwayne, the rock Johnson is an incredible actor.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not commenting on him.

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<v Speaker 1>His acting I'm commenting on the script in the direction you

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<v Speaker 2>Made a direct on the acting.

01:05:26.230 --> 01:05:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:05:26.539 --> 01:05:28.880
<v Speaker 1>But the acting is really a symptom of other things.

01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Anyway,

01:05:29.940 --> 01:05:32.079
<v Speaker 2>He elevates that film so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Well then I would hate to see where it started.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>The

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<v Speaker 1>Reason I like movies like San Andreas is not because of the acting.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that you would agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Not a character study into his issues.

01:05:47.260 --> 01:05:53.590
<v Speaker 1>It's about seeing crazy shots of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

01:05:55.730 --> 01:05:58.150
<v Speaker 2>You come for the disaster special effects.

01:05:58.889 --> 01:06:01.469
<v Speaker 2>You stay for the heartfelt performance from the rock.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

01:06:02.889 --> 01:06:04.670
<v Speaker 1>We also have a film called crawl.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we're not done here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

01:06:08.329 --> 01:06:08.619
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So what would you like to say about San Andrea?

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<v Speaker 2>So The, so this is the movie where like, he's like trying, he's like family has like split.

01:06:17.740 --> 01:06:18.980
<v Speaker 2>He like split up from his wife.

01:06:19.210 --> 01:06:27.300
<v Speaker 1>He's in LA he's divorced or separated from his wife, his daughter's in San Francisco with like the wife's new boyfriend.

01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:31.219
<v Speaker 1>And he's like a helicopter rescue pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>So earthquake hits San Francisco starts to kind of go along.

01:06:37.420 --> 01:06:40.300
<v Speaker 1>Of course the San Andreas fault, him and his wife.

01:06:40.829 --> 01:06:43.449
<v Speaker 1>He first rescues his ex-wife in the helicopter.

01:06:43.769 --> 01:06:55.210
<v Speaker 1>And then they, again, similar to FETO in the ring, adventure up the, the coast of California, which is crumbling as they do lots of obstacles in their way to try to save their daughter.

01:06:56.090 --> 01:06:57.130
<v Speaker 1>And there's your little overview.

01:06:57.829 --> 01:07:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And while they're trying to save their daughter, they find themselves a along the way.

01:07:02.500 --> 01:07:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, who wrote that?

01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:04.880
<v Speaker 1>That was like, what I wrote for twister.

01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:05.639
<v Speaker 1>And you made fun of me.

01:07:06.539 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Did I make fun of you?

01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Or I just call you out on it because you

01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Sat, you laughed for like six minutes.

01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh, I will say this is Betsy, our friend, friend of the pod.

01:07:15.670 --> 01:07:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Betsy's I would say one of her favorite films all time.

01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:19.440
<v Speaker 1>She, she watches it a lot

01:07:19.539 --> 01:07:20.480
<v Speaker 2>And rightfully so.

01:07:20.739 --> 01:07:22.070
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's a bad film.

01:07:22.289 --> 01:07:30.909
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying you don't watch a movie like San Andrea is because you think it's, it's not a tear jerker, you know, it's not like Oscar fodder.

01:07:30.911 --> 01:07:31.989
<v Speaker 1>It's not, not some

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<v Speaker 2>Kind

01:07:32.150 --> 01:07:33.909
<v Speaker 1>Of human exploration.

01:07:33.980 --> 01:07:36.989
<v Speaker 1>It's, it's, you know, it's a lot simpler than that.

01:07:36.990 --> 01:07:38.389
<v Speaker 1>You're you're digging too deep here.

01:07:39.329 --> 01:07:42.380
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of a rock movie that I found is disappointing.

01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:44.340
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that it's disappointing.

01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:46.380
<v Speaker 1>I'm I like San Andreas

01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:46.860
<v Speaker 2>Normally,

01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:54.699
<v Speaker 1>But I, I like San Andreas, but I don't like it because of the, the characters or the acting or the lines.

01:07:55.329 --> 01:07:55.619
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:07:55.820 --> 01:07:57.699
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're just gonna have to disagree to disagree.

01:07:58.500 --> 01:07:58.579
<v Speaker 1>All right.

01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:00.860
<v Speaker 2>But you really should give JIA a chance.

01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:02.139
<v Speaker 2>The Bri reboot was great.

01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:02.849
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:09.449
<v Speaker 1>There's also a movie called crawl from 2019, which is a true horror disaster film.

01:08:10.190 --> 01:08:14.849
<v Speaker 1>And one that most people seems to love directed by Alexander Aja.

01:08:14.949 --> 01:08:22.170
<v Speaker 1>It focuses on a teenager who is trapped in a basement by two giant alligators after a flood from a hurricane.

01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:22.729
<v Speaker 1>What?

01:08:23.229 --> 01:08:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:08:23.779 --> 01:08:27.359
<v Speaker 1>And Sarah, Luke, our friend, Sarah, Luke, I think watched it and recommended it to me.

01:08:27.360 --> 01:08:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And I would take Sarah Luke's.

01:08:29.140 --> 01:08:30.920
<v Speaker 1>We should all take Sarah Luke's suggestions.

01:08:31.029 --> 01:08:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Seriously.

01:08:31.659 --> 01:08:32.199
<v Speaker 1>So this

01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Sounds amazing.

01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:34.680
<v Speaker 2>So I I've woefully unaware of this

01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I got from online is that the, the main character is like a teenage girl who is like a swimmer, you know, high school swim team.

01:08:45.100 --> 01:08:48.390
<v Speaker 1>There's a hurricane that happens she's in her basement, her basement floods.

01:08:49.050 --> 01:08:50.350
<v Speaker 1>And she has to somehow get out.

01:08:50.350 --> 01:08:58.670
<v Speaker 1>She's a very skilled swimmer, but it's being kind of guarded or she's being hunted by these two, like giant, giant alligators.

01:08:59.270 --> 01:08:59.270
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

01:08:59.270 --> 01:09:06.899
<v Speaker 1>And so she has to escape from her basement with that, like, you know, it's not just escaping it's that there must be Florida or something, right.

01:09:06.900 --> 01:09:10.020
<v Speaker 1>Where there's, you know, somewhere in the south where their alligators are native.

01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.619
<v Speaker 1>And so they've just because of the rising waters it's ended up in Montana, her basement.

01:09:14.500 --> 01:09:14.500
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:09:14.529 --> 01:09:15.020
<v Speaker 1>Montana.

01:09:15.819 --> 01:09:19.340
<v Speaker 1>Uh, so definitely, definitely sounds like a, a good film.

01:09:19.539 --> 01:09:20.180
<v Speaker 1>An interesting premise.

01:09:20.689 --> 01:09:20.979
<v Speaker 2>Cool.

01:09:21.260 --> 01:09:21.539
<v Speaker 2>I do.

01:09:21.619 --> 01:09:22.819
<v Speaker 2>We, I would love to see this one.

01:09:22.970 --> 01:09:23.260
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.699
<v Speaker 1>And then of course there's Greenland, which is just a recent example.

01:09:26.970 --> 01:09:28.500
<v Speaker 1>Another Gerard Butler film.

01:09:29.500 --> 01:09:30.420
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it yet.

01:09:30.460 --> 01:09:36.340
<v Speaker 1>I think it's from 2019 or even more recent than that, but people seem to have a pretty good response to that one.

01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:38.220
<v Speaker 1>So that's another modern film to check

01:09:38.649 --> 01:09:38.649
<v Speaker 2>Out.

01:09:38.850 --> 01:09:43.609
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was pretty good in geo storm, but it's a shame he's getting typecast now.

01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:44.250
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:09:44.970 --> 01:09:44.970
<v Speaker 1>Oh,

01:09:45.890 --> 01:09:47.369
<v Speaker 2>What Greenland geo storm.

01:09:47.470 --> 01:09:48.890
<v Speaker 2>And, uh, it was gamer.

01:09:49.090 --> 01:09:49.689
<v Speaker 2>You ever see gamer

01:09:50.369 --> 01:09:50.729
<v Speaker 1>Three GS.

01:09:51.409 --> 01:09:51.409
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:09:51.470 --> 01:09:51.970
<v Speaker 2>For Gerard.

01:09:51.970 --> 01:09:53.930
<v Speaker 2>That was a weird one, three GS for Gerard.

01:09:55.649 --> 01:09:59.399
<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to take a moment to discuss foreign disaster films.

01:09:59.989 --> 01:10:23.430
<v Speaker 1>Some of my favorites, again, aren't gonna be included here, films like Godzilla or the host because they fall under other categories, but we wanted to point out a few foreign films because, you know, it's obviously a very big Hollywood genre of film, disaster films, but there's a lot of really cool, less, uh, Hollywoodized disaster films that are, are going on around the world.

01:10:24.090 --> 01:10:37.189
<v Speaker 1>The first is, as the light goes out from 2014, which is a firefighter film from Hong Kong, it tells the story of two brothers who are both firemen who have to act quickly as a liquor warehouse, catches fire.

01:10:37.729 --> 01:10:42.420
<v Speaker 1>The film was decorated fairly well in China, but wasn't really widely celebrated globally.

01:10:43.140 --> 01:10:49.539
<v Speaker 1>I think you're gonna like this one, a lot, Alan, a film called the wave from 2015, which is a Norwegian disaster film.

01:10:49.810 --> 01:10:50.100
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:56.020
<v Speaker 1>As you might have guessed, it's about a, it's a tsunami film and it has an 83% on rotten tomatoes.

01:10:56.420 --> 01:10:57.979
<v Speaker 1>Oh, fairly available on streaming.

01:10:58.060 --> 01:11:00.890
<v Speaker 1>I think I saw it on some of the major platforms for, for free

01:11:01.689 --> 01:11:01.689
<v Speaker 2>Tobi.

01:11:02.670 --> 01:11:09.649
<v Speaker 1>No like Hulu or HBO, something I don't remember, but something that we have crackle, it brought in over 12.8 million.

01:11:10.949 --> 01:11:16.250
<v Speaker 1>We also have land of oblivion from 2011, a French film about the Cherno disaster.

01:11:16.470 --> 01:11:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's the Cherno HBO series as well, stranded from 2000 N one, which is a Spanish film dips into the sci-fi category.

01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:31.760
<v Speaker 1>A little seems to have similar vibes to gravity or the Martian, both of which I would say are disaster films.

01:11:32.579 --> 01:11:39.319
<v Speaker 1>We have trap from 2015, which is a Filipino film about one of the most destructive typhoons ever recorded.

01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:44.789
<v Speaker 1>So like a real based on a real typhoon, uh, killed over 6,000 people, which is terrible.

01:11:45.810 --> 01:11:55.390
<v Speaker 1>And again, that's only naming a very few, so definitely I think foreign disaster films are worth us kind of expanding our, our horizons into a bit too.

01:11:55.390 --> 01:12:02.539
<v Speaker 1>And because you also start to understand what disasters people globally are thinking about and how they're thinking about does disasters.

01:12:03.369 --> 01:12:12.579
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, yes, it is also like this episode is inherently tricky simply because we're dealing with such a broad topic.

01:12:13.329 --> 01:12:21.260
<v Speaker 2>It's like saying this episode is on murderers, you know, it's like, okay, well there's a lot of them,

01:12:21.810 --> 01:12:22.659
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately,

01:12:23.109 --> 01:12:29.619
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should have broken this up into earthquake films, media films, you know, something like that.

01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:38.050
<v Speaker 2>But yes, obviously there's so many, if, if we, we did like disaster movies from the us or disaster movies from Japan, right.

01:12:38.829 --> 01:12:40.489
<v Speaker 2>We would get such a different perspective.

01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:42.050
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely.

01:12:42.289 --> 01:12:50.930
<v Speaker 1>And, and that's definitely something, you know, we can explore certain countries in the future, but I also think it's worth just setting the baseline for disaster films.

01:12:50.930 --> 01:13:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Because again, I think in my head anyway, they're often like, I, my think of like, oh, San Andreas or the day after tomorrow, but in reality, it's again such a broad genre.

01:13:02.420 --> 01:13:18.550
<v Speaker 1>That's actually really important for a lot of reasons, both because it provides people with escape that's needed, but also because it covers, you know, some of these like topics that are incredibly difficult and, and formative in certain ways.

01:13:18.609 --> 01:13:32.710
<v Speaker 1>So I, I think it's worth, you know, I didn't realize how many of these early films were disaster films and how I think that says a lot that some of the earliest films ever made as soon as people figured out technology was about disasters.

01:13:32.711 --> 01:13:39.939
<v Speaker 1>Like what does that tell us about what we as artists or as people who are in film audiences are looking for or are creating.

01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:44.460
<v Speaker 1>And I think, you know, obviously all art and film is a reflection of society.

01:13:44.520 --> 01:14:02.130
<v Speaker 1>So it is interesting to see that I didn't realize there was such a boom in the seventies and we knew about kind of the films in our lifetime, but looking back at the thirties and the seventies and figuring out why there's booms in those eras, you know, so I do think it's worth just as a first kind of dive into the subject matter, doing it at a broad level.

01:14:02.149 --> 01:14:05.890
<v Speaker 1>And then we can come back in future episodes and, and be more specialized.

01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:06.369
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

01:14:06.430 --> 01:14:07.130
<v Speaker 2>Sounds great.

01:14:08.109 --> 01:14:09.770
<v Speaker 2>And in conclusion,

01:14:10.270 --> 01:14:14.289
<v Speaker 1>In conclusion, the disaster genre is an interesting one.

01:14:14.699 --> 01:14:20.720
<v Speaker 1>There are many different ways to find success with audiences, right again, and the key to a great disaster film.

01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:31.119
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the time is the perfect balance of believable characters, empathy mixed with unbelievable scenes in awe, inspiring terror, think Titanic.

01:14:31.539 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 1>That's again, such a good combination of those two.

01:14:34.161 --> 01:14:51.029
<v Speaker 1>Obviously the budget there is, you know, it's a whole different playing field, but I think it's a good example that a lot of people have seen, but there's a place in this genre for other versions of this cheesy star set disaster films that rely on big names in CGI are incredibly popular.

01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:54.109
<v Speaker 1>Again, perhaps circling back to how we opened the episode.

01:14:54.789 --> 01:14:59.869
<v Speaker 1>There are, there are a nod to thrill seeking or escape seeking theatergoers.

01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:04.779
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of these films again are like important they've they're films that have shaped generations.

01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:09.939
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of the times they get written off a lot of complexity here.

01:15:10.229 --> 01:15:16.300
<v Speaker 1>It'll be very interesting to see how the pandemic shapes the genre.

01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:23.100
<v Speaker 1>And it will be very interesting to see how climate change and what's happening in the world shape this genre.

01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:27.659
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say, we're not gonna see a lot of disaster movies in the near future.

01:15:28.770 --> 01:15:29.060
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:15:29.180 --> 01:15:29.739
<v Speaker 1>I think that's

01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:32.779
<v Speaker 2>Nobody executives gonna be like it's too on the nose.

01:15:33.529 --> 01:15:33.819
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:15:34.180 --> 01:15:39.850
<v Speaker 1>I even in some film projects I'm working on like writing with people it's it's come up.

01:15:39.850 --> 01:15:41.369
<v Speaker 1>Like, do we reference COVID?

01:15:41.590 --> 01:15:44.449
<v Speaker 1>Do we reference something about illness at all?

01:15:44.670 --> 01:15:46.489
<v Speaker 1>Are people just so burnt out from it?

01:15:46.490 --> 01:16:09.359
<v Speaker 1>And I think they are, you know, and maybe in 10 years that'll be different, but there's also, I think a difference when it's a hypothetical thing, like, oh, a big tornado or which obviously tornadoes come earthquakes come, but it's not, I don't know if people in San Francisco go to see a lot of earthquake films, you know, like there's something when it's different to what you've personally experienced.

01:16:09.510 --> 01:16:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

01:16:09.939 --> 01:16:15.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, like an ocean liner sinking, if you don't have a personal connection to that, it might be easier to go in.

01:16:15.390 --> 01:16:16.390
<v Speaker 1>Watch that kind of film.

01:16:16.779 --> 01:16:22.550
<v Speaker 2>Also, I feel like we will be getting in a large influx of like alien invasion movies, right.

01:16:23.270 --> 01:16:24.590
<v Speaker 2>Anything that

01:16:25.369 --> 01:16:26.350
<v Speaker 1>Is unrealistic

01:16:26.500 --> 01:16:30.630
<v Speaker 2>Well, lets us shamelessly scapegoat the idea of the other.

01:16:31.939 --> 01:16:32.229
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

01:16:32.369 --> 01:16:43.460
<v Speaker 1>And I, I don't wanna say alien invasion films are unrealistic cuz actually don't think that, but I think general audiences might think that this is an easier pill to swallow than like climate disaster.

01:16:43.649 --> 01:16:44.260
<v Speaker 2>Certainly.

01:16:44.329 --> 01:16:44.619
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:51.340
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm again, I'm sure we've missed a ton, but let us know what your favorite films are.

01:16:51.341 --> 01:16:53.699
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