#267 - Battle of the Songs With the Same Title + Kevin Griffin of Better Than Ezra Celebrates 25 Year Anniversary of No. 1 Song + Kalie Shorr Powerful New Single

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two sixty seven. Thank you for being here. Coming up, we'll do song wars Eddie comes in. We'll do two songs with the exact same name, battling each other. For example, crazy by Patsy Klein, Crazy for feeling so blue? Or Narl's Barkley does that make me crazy? So it's all those. It was really fun, a lot more fun I thought it was gonna be. That's a might be suggested segment that I think we'll do in a few weeks. Let's do it again. You have a whole lot of lest We could do. So many songs have the same name, which is confusing whenever you get on a streaming site, because if you were to stream and look up jump, would they tell you criss Cross or van Halen first? Well, let me look. I bet a lot of it's based on what you already search. I typed and jump House of Pain. Jump Around comes up first in mind, then van Halen Jump, then third eye blind Jumper. I wish you would step back from that edge, my friend, and then jump from criss Cross at four. I wonder why I guess jump around because I play in the dance party sometimes and I searched for it to hear that intro that big, So we'll do that. Coming up. I'm a massive better than Ezra Fan Do we have any clips on this computer? Kevin Griffin better than Ezra the lead singer on nineties Alternative on Good, celebrating twenty five years at number one, which they are one of my favorite bands of all times, just because of when I grew up they were somewhat close. This is it. It's a little bit of good. We'll talk to him about all the nineties nineties alternative. Here you go, well, maybe I'm just too sure or maybe I'm just too frighten by the sound. Here comes the chorus that you may not know the words too. It's good. What's great about that is that he tells the story about that coming up, one of my favorite things to sing. He was like, it's good, and I was like, wonder what that just it's it's good. Also well. Talked to Kaylie Shore on her new single and her podcast Let's Do New Music This Week. These are my top five most excited about new releases. At number five, our buddy Adam Hambrick has two new songs. One of them is called Kill a Man. But here is the longer I lay here featuring Gilly and Jacqueline longer. Some are the reasons why to say, hell make the most one time the world girl song song, that good song, good anymore of that? How long does that go? It was the whole way here. Let me hear a little more. The more you kissed me, the more set That guy's such a freaking good songwriter. And I love Jillian Jacqueline to two of my favorite artists and people. Whenever Kaylin and I got engaged, she sent over some flowers, and but she sent it because we left for our and at GEO show immediately after my radio show on Friday, and so she sent it Friday morning and we don't get back until late Sunday night, and so it just sat on the front porch for three days, which I was like, I just saw on your Instagram that you left and Brian and I are husband sent over some flowers for you guys. So we got back and like half of them were still alive, half of them and died. So I did answer my picture. I just turned to the good side and I was like, thank you Julian and Brian, But I love that Adam Hambriks got a new song, the Longer I Lay Here at number four. This week I'm putting Kaylee Shore. She has a new song out called My Voice. We'll hear from her later, but here's the clip of that sound locks of Country to Countries of who said I had to Taky the one that the opta. That's pretty cool. I like her so much because she just does her thing, and she's like, you know what, if my thing doesn't work, that's okay. I'm still doing my thing. But you know what works, what turns into humongous successes. Oh when people go this is my thing and that thing is a little bit different because all you have to get one thing to work, and then everybody comes over, so it's going, oh, we like that thing. We're also gonna mimic it. You see it constantly. I mean when Sam Hunt came about, you saw everybody start to mimic what Sam did musically, speech pattern and song. We're he would actually talk or or So. I really like what Kaylie Shore does and you'll hear from her later. She was in two bands before she kind of went on her own. One was punk, one was Bluegrass, which is extremely interesting to me at number three. This is Chris Stapleton, and I see a lot of my friends and a lot of folks that I follow because I am from Arkansas posting this song like we finally have our song. This is Chris Stapleton. A new song out today called Arkansas Sorry, come on jam on good Good, that's good, that's good, that's good. I would have put it at number one, but I just love these other two artists and songs. So Chuck Wicks here here he is. A new song called solid Gold is my number two pick. Yes, so you were old Lock Cony song twang of old Mr John is so you can find it on now Speak of Town, and I just like to vibe it feels like old school R and B means country music. It deafinitely and again that's such a different sounding song. And no doubt about Chuck Wicks, guys is country. So I love that. And my number one song is from Matt Carney. Huge fan of them, such a fan that you know. One of the dates that took Caitlin on for Valentine's Day, we flew to Oklahoma City, went to the thunder game. He was in town, and we got to be friends because of the show, the radio show on the podcast, honestly because once I knew he was in Nashville. He did his song with Jillian Jacqueline back in the day, and I was like, oh, man, if we get Mtcarney to come in studio. I'm such a fan from when I was, you know, in college and right after college. So they came in. We mildly hit it off. It's like, hey, come to a podcast. You put out his last record. He came over to the house. We spent an hour and a half together. Like dang, we're pretty similar in a lot of ways, except for he's far more talented than I am. And we hung out a little afterward. We became buddies. We were text and you know, respond on instant message. When he was playing in Oklahoma City the night that I took Kalin to the Thunder game and he goes, hey, I'm playing right down the road if you guys get out of the game. So went over to his show, caught the last four or five songs. We literally walked in, saw his tour manager, went to the very very very top back row of the theater because we didn't want to excuse me, so excuse me. A part of me, excuse me. We sat in the top row and caught about the last four songs and the last song that he did was nothing Left to Lose he apparently, according to legend, this is where Caitlin was like, Okay, this is my guy and she wrote a note on her phone. She's not let me read it. So I've loved this song for fifteen years. She loves this song now because she said this was the song. Well, so told Matt that pretty soon after. But then when it was time you get engaged, I was like, how are you in town? He'd been off shooting music videos for a while. I got it's new song, and um, here's a yah. So we came to the house, snuck up in the yard, we did the proposal, walked up. He's playing that song tomorrow. Well see he it's amazing. So that being said, I love McCarney anyway, but he has a new song out called Grand Canyon. Here you go tell me, why tell me? How are you feeling? A kid? Stay distance to us, I can be patient. Cam On stuck a mixed basive that's how you this song? It's it's one song obviously from a new project, and I haven't heard the new project yet. It sounds a bit in the middle of old Matt Carney in the last record you put out, which had some nights pretty heavy elect electronic influence. Right, Yeah, I like this obviously. I love this is my number one this week and I love him. I can't get enough of him. I'd marry him if Caitlin wasn't there. So that's my number one pick this week. Grand Canyon. There is a song and I'll put this in the honorable mention when we'll play a clip of it. So Garth and Tricia did a version of Shallow a few months ago during one of those quarantine shows. CBS was like, let's just get Garth and Trisha on and let him sit in front of a camera for an hour, and they were just playing songs and this is one of the songs they did. Now, I wouldn't say it's super relevant because the movie came out three years ago or nine years ago or whatever it was. All time is blurred now since the virus. But it was so well received they're like, hey, let's cut it, and I think they think they should have. I think it's cool. Here is Garth and Tricia doing shallow the deep Bed, don't watches a divin I'll have the ground cris where they can hurt us and was far from the show in the show, sh shallow in the show, Show from the show, There he goes. It's checked that out, and there's been a lot of versions of that song right after the movie. There's some. There were some good ones though. Daniel Bradberry did a good one. Jimmy Allen did a good one. I'm sure a lot of folks did. But they put that out. They may be going to radio with it too. I know we played it on the show this morning, so we'll see. Luke Combs has the deluxe version of what you See Ain't Always What You Get. It is five new songs that he was like, Hey, we're just gonna put out some new music as part of our last record, which is what you see is what you get, So check that out. Dirk Spentley has a new song called Gone. Maddie and Tay released an EP called We Need Christmas, so check that out. They have an original song called Mary Married Christmas. Also, Harper Gray has a new song called Muddy Water. As far as new albums, Cadillac three You Got a new one, Bruce Springsteen. Seven Dust. That's a rock and roll freaking band, seven Dust. They scare me a little bit. They're hard, right hard? Are they not super hard to you? I wouldn't say super hard. Pull up some old seven Dust, Like what's their biggest song? The Gorillas have a new record, tied All the Sign or tat was it t I don't know. Major Laser also has a record. Let me hear what's seven big? So? Okay? Hit? It is that new though? Two thousand three. That's pretty hard. Come on, sounds like they're in some sort of industrial warehouse with masks on, beating drums. Hold on, I based it on the vulcan heavy distortion comes in, step off? Come on? How do you do you mean? That's my oldly hard? When I think it's super hard, I think of like you can't understand the lyrics. That's like scream o death stuff. But this is hard, but the hard like they actually sing okay, So I'm like a penal for singing. What bring me? Some of the other songs let me say I know anything Black, Dirty, Denial, Thank You, Decay, there all the biggest We have the shortest song titles have waffle, oh Bitch, interesting and face to face. Maybe I don't know any of their songs. Well that's the new music coming out this week, Thank you very much. Music News. Carrie Underwood was the big winner at the c MT Awards Wednesday, taking him two Buckle trophies for her Drinking a Loan video and one for Female of the Year. Um so you know with her it's interesting because she won Entertainer of Year the a c m S. She split it with Thomas Rhett. She's a good at CMT Music Awards all the same. Tim music Awards only mean much anymore because videos aren't as much of a thing. It's still something, but definitely lost a bit of its luster. But the big question is will she win the c m A. We'll wait and see. When are the c m a's And and I asked, because we had a lengthy conversation with Tom Lord, who runs management there are Wednesday November eleven, Do we do we need to put the Tom Lord episode up next week then to beat that. Tom Lord works for Red Light Management and he is head of all the marketing there but also manages artists. I am directly managed by Tom Lord, have two managers Tom Lord and On Betchy and they split duties with me, but they're both the guys that run that entire business. And he's talking about at the end of the podcast, if we talked about managers, why they're important to artists, how to get a manager who he thinks is gonna win or or or why he thinks that there's been, you know, some weirdness with it the last few years. The question is will carry win? I voted for Carry. Jennifer Nettles was the recipient of the CMT Equal Play Award. Blake Shelton did some stuff, Kane Brown, Sarah Hyland asking Brider host they were fine. They weren't asked to do a lot, so I thought they were fine. Did you watch any of Yeah, most most people did. I did. I watched clips after though. I did see Luke Comb shotgunning of beer with Brooks and Brooks and done. Yeah. Was that that was from that? Right? Yeah? I saw that clip too. It wasn't from Jimmy Fallon. It was from SAMT from Sam pretty sure. Yeah, look that up because you're probably right. But that just shows you we just watched clips and don't even know where they come from. The Grammy nominee announcement is November, so that's always pretty cool. Gabby Barrett lands a first Hot A C number one, a new Gabby from mentoring her on American Idol four years ago. I hope a number one of the country charts now. I hope with Charlie Pouth topsy Billboard Hot A C chart this week. So pretty cool. Good for her. Like old Gabby, We've done one of these with Gabby. We should boost that one at this point, shouldn't we did? Well, go back and scroll find them with Gabby Barrett because this is before she really had moved to town. She was coming to town, debating on her she should move to town. I'm like, you have to move to town. What's the clip from it? I thought you were right. During a radio appearance in the Notorious b I G did a freestyle rap about PEPSI and PEPSI just made a commercial out of it, an unreleased Notorious b I G freestyle about his favorite cole uh just in time, by the way for him to get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's being related as the commercial. I mean, his estate makes pretty good money from this here. Oh you have it? Yeah, I do for the tuol of so hot, got the cheap pet season, the cheaper for my throop. My girl like him to chase the worst. I don't even look confirms quench my clothes. What you with my fruits foot with the dropout hot like stuff, flash out somewhere else that you beat the that's cricket. This is great for Pepsi because it doesn't like our show. It's not filled with curse words. Here's the thing, this says an unrelased notorious Biaggi freestyle. If that's a true freestyle, how are their doubles on the vocals? This is like different I don't know from the Pepsi commercial and someone probably going back and doing the doubles over it because I was like, you know, freestyle and someone knowing what you're gonna say and be like, yeah, yeah, get up, we do, we do get up freestyle? Okay, but good. That's when the commercial is pretty cool. Paul McCartney's new album, McCartney three, comes out to Several eleventh, fifty years after his first solo album and McCartney two came out. But if I'm right about this, this is a solo album because he did everything on it while in quarantine, played drums, played the bass, played the guitar, saying did it all himself? That guy is still hitting it. Garth Brooks injures his hand in farming accident, postpones album preview event. Garth Brooks will work glove on his left hand as he apologized to fans for having to postpone his fun album preview event after an accident on the farm. Do you know what the farm accident was? I don't know. I don't either. A note from brooks publicist reveals that he hurt multiple fingers on his left hand while working on the farm. He tried to write up until showtime, but he finally called the night off Fleetwood. Max Rumors hits the top ten chart forty three, forty three years after it's least. This is still a really good song. But it was a TikTok of the guys skateboarding and drinking the cranberry juice. Which weird how some things go viral, right, because there's nothing extremely special about that, just yeah, just a bit odd, a little funny, and you're like, I relate to that, but it wasn't like something They spent three hours editing or here you watch your Fred. Wasn't this after the Lakers on the championship? Is that why he was doing it? No, he did another one after they won in like a jersey. What was the one he did before originally because there was some reason? Right, No, it's just random. Oh it was. Yeah, his name is dog Face and he just does all these random dance videos and that's just the one that people saw and it blew up. Well, he still pops in my four you feet all the time, and then everybody recreated it. Yeah, let's see guitars played partly by Eddie vand Halen go to auction and once he died, people are sending those to the auction block and making some pretty good money. All right, that's what's up. I think you're gonna like this episode. You're gonna love the music game, depending how much you love nineties nineties alternative. I freaking geeked out on Kevin Griffin better than as. I just love him so much, love the band so much. And then hang out for Kayleie Shore. Next week we'll we'll have Tom Lord on. We're now slowly starting to get folks into the studio. We want to make sure that they don't have coronavirus, but once we get test they can come in. That's the ticket, So we'll have it. Hopefully we'll have more of like the old school where people come in for a little longer form interview. So check out Mike D's movie podcast. It's called Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. What's Up this Week? I just had Jonathan lip niki on who was in a movie with Tom Cruise back in the day, Jerry Maguire. He was the kid. He was the kid looking in the back seat. By the way, he has grown into a pretty good looking I he's like ripped up. He does like Marshall Arkton stuff. Most of those kid actors, they're super cute, but they kind of grow and still kind of have that odd thing that makes them cute and they were little, they still have it as an adult. He I saw him, I was like, Oh, he's just he's a normal, good looking guy, normal dude. Um. And you talk about Tom Cruise a bit, yeah, about how you work with them and what do you remember from doing that movie. Also check out Amy's podcast Four Things with Amy Brown. She also launched a few shows on her little network, Too Pretty Cool, all Right, let's get going with today's show. Thank you guys, appreciate you. If you don't mind giving us a review five stars, please, we're begging. We don't beg for crap. We're begging a five stars five stars that makes people go, Hey, that podcast doesn't suck. Maybe we should check it out. Maybe ride a nice comment up there if you don't mind. If you do that, you'll have good luck for four days. If you don't do that after I've said this, you'll have bad luck today. So hey, you push your push it however you want. Thank you, guys. Let's get going. So it's now time for Battle of the Songs with the same title. Eddie is joining me for this bit. Eddie, thanks again. Yeah, thanks for having me check out the store Losers podcast. Eddie is one of the three co hosts on that show. Now we have twelve songs we're gonna do. This is the Battle of Songs with the same title. We're gonna start with Criss Cross versus Van Halen Jump Jump. Right here we go. First up, van Halen. This song came out in Jump from Criss Cross came out Eddie, Come on, man, it's Van Halen. Really yeah, I do you can't beat those keyboards on that that that that I mean, sure, I grew up with mostly criss Cross. That was more of my wheelhouse growing up. But Van Halen, dude, that's a jam. I'm going criss Cross because I was so inspired in second grade. I wore my pants backward because they wore all their clothes is backwards. Correct. I thought, these kids are rapping. This is so cool, and I warmed. I broke my button on my pants and only have two pair of jeans and I got a whooping when I got home because I want my pants backward. It broke the button on my pants. That's how much I loved criss Cross. And they had the cassette that had two songs, one on each side singles the A and the B side, and on the back side was I missed the bus. I missed the bus, So I'm going criss Cross. Mike d you are the the always the one that's gonna tip the scale. I go criss Cross, criss Cross. But you all wear overall's ever Yeah, not necessarily backwards, but you were the overalls. And I think a lot of that too was Malcolm, Jamal Warner and Cosby show. Correct but you had it on button one of them at least. Yeah, otherwise you were a farmer, which also people did in my town. Which one do you think was the bigger hit though? Van Halen number one for X weeks or criss Cross number one for X week criss Cross, Well, van Halen was number one for five weeks in Chris Cross was number one for eight weeks in nineteen two. Al Right, next up, Iggy Azelia versus Reba Eddie? What song do you think that is? Fancy? Fancy? Is correct? Reba ninety day? Here is Iggy Azelia Fancy from Fancy? It's pretty easy one. I think. Oh, they're both jammed to pick up. It shouldn't even be a conversation. Eggy just happens to have a song that's the same name. It's not even closed Eddie. Which one do you pick? Yeah, I go read it to um. Which one do you think was number one on the Hot one dred chart for longer? I'm gonna I'm gonna go fancy? Uh? Well, Reba Fancy peaked at eight. Only crazy because he didn't talking about a pop chart. I mean a chart that's all that is all all the charts. Iggy was number one for six weeks, so she was had the bigger hit. How about Lionel Ritchie and Adele? What song did they have at the same title, Hello? Right? Almost sounds the same? All right? Here is Lionel Richie, nicest, sweetest guy, just such a legend and just the warmest. The minute you meet him, You're like, man, they got so full of love. Just love that guy. You want to hear that about legends. Just the best, doesn't have to be, doesn't need to be. Don't even know why he is just the best. Adele, this is a Hello, Hello, It's me. I was wondering iffter, oh these years, should like to me two smashes? Which one do you pick? All due respect to Lionel Ritchie, I wasn't really alive or knowing if I was alive. Was four? You were alive? Okay, Well, I didn't really know what was happening in music nineteen four, so that wasn't part of my life. When Adele came out with Hello, I think it was her second album, so she or she had taken a break and came back with Hello, and it was a big deal because to hear her voice again and she was gonna keep doing music. So I'm going with a dell dude. I'm picking Lionel Richie because that song is still only commercials. It's been really nine eight four and you still see a peanut commercial. Hello Peanut. I love that. I listen. They're both great songs. That's you really can't argue that any of these songs suck. But I'm going Lionel Ritchie just because it has stood the test of time. And if I get to pick wonderless two right now, I'm picking Linel Reggie. Mike, do you're the tip in yeah, even though it wasn't alive. I'll go line now, line um. Which one do you think was the bigger head? Eddie Adele. Adele was number one for seven weeks and Lionel was number one for two weeks. So Adela is your winner? There? Girlfriend? Who do you think sings a song called girlfriend? We have two artists, girlfriend, Can you give me the name? Any of them? In sync featuring Nellie two thousand, two thousand two. Here you go, Here's girlfriends if you were my girlfriend, remember that, yes, of course? Or Avril Levine. Here's Avril girlfriend general friends. You know this? No, I never heard of Okay, it was easy for you, then go ahead give me in sync. Yeah, me too. Although I liked the April song, but that was the only one one number one of those two Avril was that a single? Was that a hit? Two thousand seven? Number one? So on, okay, how about we have three people here. They don't have the same title. The bands are Nickelback, The Baby and post Malone. Oh what is this photograph? No, Nickelback, the Baby and post Malone. I can't think of what's the circle? No, no, no, got nothing? Rock Star rocks nickel Back two thousand seven? Want to Baby rocks drop? Remember this, I'll have the case of Dia. Wait, say say that song? That's funny? Here is the Baby in this year? Just post Malone from two thousand seventeen. Let rock Star? Oh my brother's got that, guess and they always be smoking like a rock stop. This sounds easy for me. I hate Nickelback The Baby. That's a cool song, but I mean whatever, dude, post Malone, this is a jam. That is a jam. But I'm going Nickelback just because it's wrong with you. Nickel Back to great. He would just hate on him for existences? What did he say? I know Mike's gonna tip this to post Malone because he's such a big post all right, that's why I think you went nickelback. You knew Mike was going. I think I went nickel Back for the reason you don't go Nickelback. If I got to pick one song to listen to those three at right now, I probably picked Postmlone. But nobody ever stands out for Nickelback, and you feel like you, Yeah, somebody's got to be that voice. Nickelback versus Ed Shearon nickel backs. And two of these Nickelback versus Ed Sheering what song do they sing? That's the same photograph. That's correct, here's Ed Sheeron. We keep this loving a photograph. We made these memories for ourselves, were closing, and here is Nickelback. Look at this photograph. I'm going to nickel Back twice when what is that on Johnny's head? What the hell is on Joey whatever? I'm going Nickelback, But this sucks because I've never heard that Ed Sheerings. Well then you got if you've never heard it, Come on, I've never heard Edge Shearon's photograph. But there's no way I'm going for Nickelback. That's my point, and that's why I just stick up for Nickelback. And if that's on, came on at a concert and they're playing it, or they're playing it before a band comes on, you're gonna sing Look at this phone, you're gonna sing it, Joey, alright, Mike, you gonna swing it. You know what I'm going with. If I heard the song on the radio, which one I would keep on? And I would keep on the nickel Backs nickel Back with a victory and grab money. If we have a six more? You like this game, that's a great game. F G l Okay, Justin Bieber Baby? No, No, what's the one they spell Justin Bieber? Um does? Uh? Mike? You know obviously Mike knows. Uh, they know? I mean, no, No, what's the one they spell out? You know I'm talking about. I'm looking at the answer, so I don't know what is it? Holy? Holy h Eli holy why holy mo? Okay? Uh Florida Georgia line two thousand sixteen Here you go, which, in an ironic twist of fate, was a Justin Bieber song before he got rid of it. Wow, he took it first cut it didn't put it out, so then Florida Georgia Line got it second and cut it. A great song by the way, Okay, Justin Bieber, this is the song that's out right now here you go, Oh God, line into the other like a track? Sta can we end at the second? Ho me o me o, me me home? He feels so holy. Chance the Rapper, that's what he says. Like Chance comes on. He's like Chance the Rapper and then Chance goes does this thing? Um eddie? Which one you picking? I'm going bibs a good song? And they're both really good songs. And both those arts get hit it on a little bit, but I don't feel like they should. I they're both fantastic. But the Justin Bieber Holy is really good, really good, and maybe it's new and fresh. And I don't think I would have been on it if Caitlin wasn't on it, but she was, like, I put a new song, let's listen. It's great. Yeah, my kids love it. Did it on SNL It was really good? Oh they did? Yeah? Cool? Um, how about this is gonna be a little tough ready hot Chel Ray and Smashing Pumpkins. Tonight Yeah, right, tonight. Tonight night tonight. So they're both tonight tonight. Wow, here is Smashing Pumpkins, come on, and here is Hot Shell Ray two thousand eleven. Okay, tonight. That's a good song. Were you ever a Smashing Pumpkins kid? No, I mean I listened to it because that's that was you know, growing up. It was well everyone was listening to at the time. Same. I was never a big Smashing Pumpkin super fan. I like some of the songs bowel It with Butterfly Wings, freaking awesome they had. They had songs I liked, but I was never into just their vibe. Is that despite all my rage, spite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage. They have. Smashing Pumpkins has a great library of songs. Yeah, they um, today is the greatest day of even known because these sings like nineteen seventy nine, this one, oh yeah, nineties seven to Night. Yeah, that's good stuff. So oh, come on, okay, it's very dramatic. This is Today's the greatest day of my life. What's it called today? So I think he's driving the ice cream truck in the video on this ONRN, Yeah, I think so. And that kicks that. This story guitar kicks in. That's a whole other episode. Good stuff, Um, Eddie, which one you pick? Its Smashing Pumpkins or Hot Shell Ray. I do like that Hot Shell Race song, but I mean I gotta go Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah, I got Smashing Pumpkins too. Play that from Smashing Momkins. You're a winner night, okay. Nine of twelve Narls Barkley, Patsy Klein, Oh, good stuff crazy Yeah, Patsy Cline crazy. I'm crazy for feeling lonely. And what Eddie and I hope is that if you're somewhere and they play this song, you just slide in. The fun fact that Willie Nelson wrote it is out of nowhere. But like, hey, obviously you know Willie Nelson wrote this right, Yeah, you're not gonna do it. We're gonna do because we're gonna do everything. Every single time we even had to find a creative I did do it right then, and that's what we did. You know. Willie wrote that one two thousand six. Narls bar Crazy that jam. When I think in Darl's Barkley, I think it's seeing them ad a c L festival right when this song have pop pretty big. It's easy right, easy as pie, go ahead, Yeah, Patsy Client still jam. People are still inspired by her story, her music. What No. I was just laughing because last night at the dinner table, I was telling my kids that growing up, my dad had this family friend. He'd come over once in a while with a guitar and had a real thick Mexican accent, like real thick, and he would sing crazy and he would sing crazy. I'm grac and my kids love it when I tell that story. Joe Nichols versus Usher, what song sunny? And so I don't know he makes uh? The song is called yeah, here is a Joe not two thousand fourteen. I haven't thought about this song since the day we stop playing it, I guess, and I like Joe. This song has just left no impression on me whatsoever. I think you could have me list every country song I've ever heard of my life and this song when to come up and not. I hate the song. It just it just sounds like a the generic song from that time. That's funny. Um and then ussure, yeah two thousand four here you go that this was a jam Eddie. Yeah, sure, Yeah, sure, sure, Okay, two more DJ Sammy Kane Brown. Mm hmm uh. Let's see when you figure out what the DJ Sammy song is, you're gonna be like, oh, that's you may not even know who that is. I don't know who DJ Sammy is Kane Brown. Uh, what's the song reasn't da? What if is that it isn't? Uh? Let's play the DJ Sammy Heaven here you go? You know, yeah, but who's originally it's who's that originally? It's not Yeah, that's a Sammy sample? Yeah for sure, Mike, we google that. I don't know how are you gonna google that? But just what DJ Sammy samples? What's on? Okay, that's what you You literally google what you're asking. I'm the worth google and is over on? Asked Jeeves, trying to find the exact way to ask the fellow. Excuse me as Adams? Oh yeah, that's right. Maybe, yeah, I even know that Sam and Ray always things that when we used to do what it's wrong with me? Um so DJ Sammy or Brian Adams or Kane Brown. Here's Kane Brown Heaven, which was a number one country song for him. Everybody's talking about really just can't wait to go to jam. Do you happen to have the Brian Adams Mike? Is it in the system? Yeah? This song? So are you throwing Brian out? We have to This is a jam and damn dude, do you have Brandy? Would play this? And I would cry? You would you played? In sound text? Digging a bad Jan Jan Jan? We have to pick that one, right? Oh for sure, Mike, which one would you have picked? I'd probably got Kane Brown. Yeah, you can't ta a good version? All those are good. Okay, here's your last one forever from Chris Brown or Jesse and the Rippers. That's Chris Brown, which, by the way, that's a good song and they use it in the office when they're going down the aisle when Jim and Pama getting married makes it really makes me emotional. And then Jesse and the Rippers, which they reached number one in Japan on full House. Here you go, the choir comes into the church. They met him on the They got a bus ride to the because he went skydiving, landed in the tomato tree, tomatoes grown, whatever tree it was, and there's oranges got stuck in it. Farmer maybe apple cuts him down. He gets cuts down, lands in the thing they drive him to. It gets there in time, sets at the piano, peels off his his overalls and he's playing in the church and the bus that picks him up. All the gospel singers get down and sing. It's perfect, fantastic, fantastic. It's um if. Yeah. I mean this is one of Caitlin and his favorite songs together period, because we love it so much. It's um if everywhere what I say could make you laugh. I talk forever. Uh are the words there? I asked the sky just what they song? They said, forever? Uh yeah, jamn forever never, Yes, yeah, um, they're both great. Go ahead, Eddie Jessing the Rippers for sure. Yeah. And did you know that's not actually Jessing. The rubber song isn't that's not Jesse singing. It is John Samuel singing that version. But the original song is a Beach Boys song and it's freaking fantastic. Is it called forever? That's the cover because you know in Full House he played drumps for the Beach Boys. In real life he plays jumps with the beach I saw them like a few years ago. He was playing drums with the Beach Boys playing from my phone. The Beach Boys, I love it, dude. Old beach Boys would make Scott great. Huh great music? Lesson, I have no idea of beach Boys. Yeah, I mean you can tell from the writing. It's like, oh, it does sound beach boyish, but now it makes sense. And it was such a great song on Full House. I was like, man, they were a freaking great song for Jesse Kop because Fat Fish Records was his record label. They called him and said, Jesse, the song has gone number one in Japan and so they wanted him to travel there for two weeks. He takes the offer, so they go. And I went to Japan because of that, because Jesse went because in my life, having absolutely no money in until I got to be an adult, I never went anywhere we couldn't afford it. I never went on a vacation as a kid. So when I started to have to find things to do, I went to Hawaii because of the break and I went to London because friends they go to London, they do. That's where Monic and Chandler hook up for the first time. I went to Japan because a full House I think that probably what was Iceland. I just thought it was cool. I went to some because it was actually closer than I thought it was because I had been to Europe, just pretty new to traveling, and I was like, man, that's like nine hours across the ocean. But I still was like up and not all the way there, and so I just googled it. I was like, Okay, here we go. And Norway because you had to Norway because Barrett girls said let's go right in Australia because Nikita lives in Australia and in Christmas time it was warm over there and I don't have any family here to spend Christmas with. So I went to Australia for that. If I've been anywhere else, and every state except for Maine in Alaska pretty well traveled now now for someone who went to know where ever, I went to Ireland about myself. Ireland? What was that for you? Two? No, it was Garth and Ireland the concept set shirt I'll see sometimes happened, Um, I don't. It's close. It was the closest European country as you can see. I'm pretty lazy when it comes to traveling far. And I did nothing but stay on a little bust. I'm by myself and just wrote and then um, I went looked at one thing to day. It pretty boring for me because it's drinking is such a big deal there, that's part of who they are, and I don't. So I got over there and I was like, what the crap? And I was like, I'll just take a train and go somewhere else in Europe and except it's an island and there are no trains they go out of Europe and are they go out of Ireland? And the other thing was it was the other thing that I learned while I was there, Oh, Ireland is the size of Iowa, basically the entire country. If that gives you perspective on what that is, Yeah, not very big, like I don't know, wand be one of our small states in America. Well there you have it is that. It was that the end that was it might do a great job with game coming up with this game. There are a lot more than I thought. Yeah, you know, I mentioned a podcast I have nothing to do with. It's from the Ringer and I've only listened to one episode. They'll only put one out and they're going through songs that meant, And they just did one on Atlantis moreri Set You Ought to Know, and they talked about the whole story of the song is pretty much. It's pretty pretty good podcast. So they take a song and then kind of break it down. That's really cool, but not just about the words of the song. What was happening around that time. It's pretty cool podcast. And I'm sure the name of it, but that's what I'm listening to, right And then at the end they have it on whatever platform you're listening to. They have it connected to the stream, so as soon as the podcast over goes right into the song. Yeah, so all right, that's what's up, um, Eddie the Sore Losers. Why should people listen to this Sore Losers because it's funny. We're just three guys. We talked about sports, yes, but then we talked about our lives and I think we all just live very different lives. So it's very entertaining. Please give us a listen Sore Losers podcasts. There you go, the Sore Losers podcast. Get it. Thank you Eddie, Thank you man. That was fun. All with us right now? Is Kevin Griffin better than Ezra as Good celebrates its twenty five year anniversary of going number one. Holy crap, Hey, Kevin, how are you? God? It feels so good to hear your voice. You know the same to you, my friend, And I tell you. The great thing for me is whenever I'm doing like this interview here, I get to really focus on and I get to geek out on a guy that I know in real life and wouldn't geek out on in real life because I don't want to be a loser, but right now I get to go full loser, and it's it feels great. Yes, So I'm see I have those guys too, and you you are. Let's be honest, You're one of them for me, Bobby, And I'm so happy that I get to be that guy for you as well. I see and and this isn't on the sheet and we'll get I want to get too good. And I have so much to talk about. But the band that you do with Mark McGrath and uh Emmerson from Tonic, right, like those guys when you get together, are you also not? Are you? Like? Man, we have such a bond because we all kind of went through the same thing at the same time. Like what are those rooms? Like so so we have so we have a band called Ezra ray Heart, a nineties nineties juggernaut. Uh that that's with Emerson or from Tonic and Mark McGrath and Figure A and we we have so much fun because we have so many of the same stories, um, from the from those years where just the stupidity, the decadence, uh all the nineties here, you know what they say, you know, I think it was that meme the nineties the greatest decade ever and no evidence. So we kind of uh we we have a good time better than Ezra, one of my top five favorite bands on my lifetime even still today. Uh, you guys formed in you formed the band. Where were you in your life? Like what was your long term future in your mind? In whenever you you get the guys together, oh eight. You know, I was a sophomore at l s U. I'd always been in bands, you know, but but at that time, you know, there there was really the promise of massive you know success. You you wanted to just be you wanted to just be a band and tour. But do you also saw that brass ring, you know with crazy sales of albums and stuff like it was back in the day, so it was really kind of the world was our oyster and we had our first rehearsals. We we moved it to Boston that summer and started playing shows, and we we played shows with the Pixies and Extreme um Mission of Burma, all these all these seminal bands. Uh, but it was a great time, man, and we just got in our van and we we earned it for seven years. It took seven years before Delex came out. What about better than Ezra work that all the other bands didn't um It's such a cliche, and I know you can identify with this. It's perseverance, it's it's you hear it. But the reason our band is we're having this conversation right now, is that we just didn't quit. Because there were other bands, honestly that were maybe had a better stage show, they had maybe better songs. But what separated us from them is that we just never quit. You know, our business is a business of knows as as you as you know and uh, and all you need is one yet in this business, and then it opened all those doors and we just never quit. And I always just had my high on the prize. So it took we We toured for seven years and our beat up eighty eight dram vand all throughout the Southeast, playing every college bar from Tuscaloosa to Athens to Old Miss Oxford, you know, and we just kept going. And finally, you know, things shifted and and grunge and was starting to fade, and commercial all turn into was starting to happen, and suddenly the band the labels passed on that as Ezra. Suddenly we were the hot band. Uh that march at south By Southwest down Austin and and the rest is rock and roll history. I'm gonna play a song and just went twenty five years. That's crazy at number one. Here's goods. So when you're in a room, are you going, all right, Let's make a song that no one will know the lyrics to it all we sing it and everybody sings it wrong for twenty five years. But the funny thing is man. So we we had a show coming up. You remember this band called Boy Dog Pondering. They were an Austin band that had minimal college success back in like the early nineties. We had a show opening for them, and I wanted to get some more songs together, some more Originals because we were still playing like half covers, uh and half originals. And so I sat down and I was like, I want to write a song like the Pixies meets R. E. M. With the same four chords happening over and over again. And so I started writing good and then the key to a nineties song, which you had to add the seventh you had to at the end of the chord progression, you had to add a major seventh chord. In this instant, it's a C seventh, which gives it the rock and roll screaming trees found, you know, and and the whole hook of the song, the wat that was supposed to be lyrics, but the but the show happened. The show happened, and I had no lyrics. So I got up on day to just just winged it and went on huh. And people loved it. I mean, the the response from people with that one song compared to the rest of all the songs was so palpable, indifferent. We knew we had lightning in a bottle, and so I was like, I'm not gonna screw with this. This is got some kind of thing. And then if you listen to other songs I've written afterwards, there's always some kind of non lyrical woix or what oh, something like that, because it was a it was definitely an epiphany for me. What's it like being a you know, a guy that's in the middle of college, a sophomore at l s U. You're grinding it out, and you start, after so much hard work, you start to get some of that that national exposure in the rocket starts to take off. Like are you able to kind of differentiate the difference in the hard, crazy work and the cool things you're getting to do or does it just still feel like you're in the same rotating cycle of planning shows. Um, when you're in it, you don't really have the perspective that I do now, like seeing that how things were going off, I was still you know, I worked with a lot of young artists and bands now, and a lot of have a singular focus that I'm doing music, this is my future. But I was always I always had uncertainty, you know. I always wanted to Safety Net, so I was gonna go to I was gonna while while the band was while we're playing sold off shows all throughout the South and going up to play sister Rose with Uncle Tupelo and which was the band before uh wilco Um. I was. I was filling out my my law school applications, so I was gonna go to law school if music didn't work out, and I was like, I'll be an agent out in l A. And so I was always kind of torn um. But but but when you're in the when you're in the midst of it, you don't really know how special it is, and and there's crazy things that are happening. But man, you know, those were such great times, an innocent times. You're kind of like a kind of like a pirate, you know, in a touring van. You know, it's you have no place to sleep. You know, halfway through your shows, you're always like, hey, anybody got anybody got a place? Versus crash that's a whole separate podcast. That's a whole separate podcast. The places and we found ourselves the band houses. I mean, you needed a Technis shot when you leave these places. Yeah. The other day I was listening to a radio station. They were like, hey, classic rock and then good came on right, so here you go, Well, how do you feel about better than as been playing on Classic rock. I'm thankful, man, Yeah, you know, and somebody was somebody sent me a Spotify oldies playlists and it was it was Us and Nirvana and Faith No More. It was crazy. Uh. But you know, man, you know, it's so hard to have a a career with any longevity. Man, And I'm so grateful, uh to still be doing it and the things I loved, you know, from from second grade, you know. So it's all good before I come unintended, Yeah, before I get through some of the songs that that that I loved and tell a personal story from back when I was like nineteen. Um, you guys, put out in your eyes, um, which is the first new music in two years. It's a Peter Gabriel cover. I want to play. Let's let's play better than version. Here we go. I am Kevin. Why did you choose this song to do? Man? I've got such a connection with that song. It was my first serious love in college. Uh that this was my song that when I listened to it, I saw us together and when Lloyd Gobbler hoisted that boom box over his head and say anything, that was me, you know. And so it speaks to me in in in memories, but also the lyrics, in the vibe, in the emotion um is really relevant today for people feeling disconnected because of COVID and where we are. And it's just a hopeful song. It's spiritual in a way, um without being you know, too on the nose, and it just and it felt, it felt right on. And also I liked Wheezers very fateful cover of Africa, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna go full on within your eyes. I'm not going to do a sensitive, pensive singer songwriter cover. We're gonna go full out. And and that's Aaron Sterling on drums, who's John Mayer's drummer, Kristin Rodgers, who's one of the best singers in Nashville doing the BBS. So we went for it. You know, back in the nineties, your first TV performance, I gotta imagine because there weren't ten thousand places to play there, you know, there wasn't all this content you could just do. How cool is that? And do you remember your first TV performance in the nineties? The first TV show, like legit was the John Stewart Show. That Stewart Huh, yeah, there was. It was before the Daily Show. John Stewart had this hipster uber hipster uh late night talk show. And then of course I think the next one we did was Conan. Then we did Leno a lot, Leno doug Us. The weird thing that was Leno would always come into your dress sing room and he was always wearing a denim shirt unbuttoned two a belly button and it was always uncomfortable because my eyes it was like it was it struggled. Do I look at him in the eyes or do I look at it a stomach? Did you guys ever play Letterman? We did do Letterman. We did Letterman twice. And what most people would tell you, and I can uh validate this, is that it was like a meat locker in there, like two degrees? Did you do it? Did you ever do it? No? I didn't do I went He's my hero, like my life heroes are Letterman and Howard Stern and so I never I went to the show and got to watch it, and it was I was freezing my balls off just being in there. Oh yeah, it's and and so imagine you know when you do when you do these shows, you're nervous, right, so when you combine nervousness and sub zero temperatures. Your you know, your your hands don't really work, so I performing there was always a challenge for me, you know me growing up in Arkansas, you know, central in South Arkansas. I always felt like you guys were pretty local because you were always proud of your Louisiana roots, and you guys were touring through my my area a lot, which is one of the reasons that you became one of my favorite bands. First of all, I was nineties country, nineties alternative kids both, you know, to my core. And did you feel like and I started thinking back as to why I felt like maybe you guys were very close to me personally, did you feel like, I know there was punk roots, the alternative roots, but did you feel like there's any country influence in what you guys were doing? Man? You know, first, it's kind of a two part. So you grew were you in Little Rock? I was, I mean near Little Rock on and off my whole life, right, So did you ever see us as sister? I saw you there and and once my favorite better than ever story, when I was nineteen years old, I saw you guys in Fayette, Arkansas and it was a small club, and I was like, wow, this is crazy. Umm. I is right up near the stage and at the end of the show, you said, does anybody know this time of year? And you were like, somebody could come up and you would let them play it on guitar, And so I raised my hand and I got up on stage. The thing is, the thing is I'm left handed and can't play a right handed guitar. No, So I was like, um, left handed, so I still sang the song as someone else played the guitar. So I sang on stage at your show when I was nineteen years old. Dude. I love that story and and it's such a great thing that people come up to me now and say, Dude, I played on stage with you in Philadelphia or Seattle. And and truth be told, we got that. We got that trick from YouTube because I saw them in eight at the Pete Mere Bitch Assembly Center in l s U. And during stand by Me their cover, they always got somebody else to come play guitar, and I was like, that's awesome, but wait to get to finish your to your question. Um, country music, you know that was always in my house, but it was old school, like Charlie Pride, Uh, George Straight, Willie Nelson, Uh, who else? Waylon Jennings. That's what my dad listened to. So I think there's always loved the narrative aspect of uh country music. You know, the stories are told and stuff, And I like to think that's always been in my songs, with songs like Lifetime and Our Last Night and stuff like that. So good. It's in the blood as well. This is deluxe play a little bit in the blood, Rosalie. Let's play a little bit Rosalie Heresie. So listen, all these songs just take me to a place right Well, then here we go. It's desperately wanting hits and I'm like, they changed my life again with this song. This was it felt like to me. If don't like it was where a band like Stabbing Westward got their their groove, Like, I feel like this song kind of personify what other bands were going for there, because it felt like a bit of a bit of a change for you guys talk about that period it was. It's such a clusche. Now a band had success on the first album and the first thing they say about their next album is, well, this one's a little harder than the earlier stuff. You know, it's a little a little more rough, rough edge, And we were that the same way. You know, I think we're listening to heavier music. Um that we didn't and we didn't want to seem to pop and and you can hear that in the Friction Baby album. Uh we we did that record at daniel an was studio down in New Orleans, in New Orleans, right in the French quarters called Kingsway Studio, I mean Pearl Jam, You two R. E. M. Did seminal albums down there in this amazing haunted studio, and so Friction Baby, definitely Wanting was born out of that and desperately Wanting. The interesting thing about desperately Wanting is the original chorus is now the is the bridge of that song. And I realized and it was a key change, and I was like, oh, this is a terrible song. So so let's make that the bridge and then you write a better chorus. And I remember exactly where I was some of my best songs. I remember where I was when I wrote it, and I was sitting on my couch in my bedroom in the garden, just supree, New Orleans. On this rainy Sunday, and I was like, well, maybe if I speed up the delivery of the lyrics on this chorus, it'll make it feel different. Because all all my all my favorite songs that I've written are the same chords, you know, verse, chorus, you know, And that's that's always the hallmark to me of a great song. You don't have to do any big transitions, just with a switch and melody. Um the song feels like it lips and falls and in the way it's supposed to. And that's what desperately wanting was. And I'm so glad you dig that. And let me say something, dude, I'm a fan of what you do, all the work you do, and so to have you say you're a fan of that music and that it's the biggest prop anybody can give your music is that it reminds them of a time in their life. You know, it's a soundtrack to a certain point in their life. Because I'm the same way. So it's very cool that you feel that way. You know. Again, when I was nineteen, I played with them, and then a few years ago, you guys at my show, you came and played in the two songs I was like, hey, we played good, and we played desperately wanting and it was the highlight of my night. And I I gotta play with everybody. Kith Throwing came up and played. But being able to play those two songs because again, it just takes you back to a certain place. There are certain songs or sounds or video games that you remember exactly where you were and what your goals and your dreams were. And you, guys, and you were a big part of that for me, Um early on. So so it's been really cool to talk with you about that. I do want to mention this too, though, that these are other songs that Kevin's written with four other artists here, Howie Day Collide Somehow? Was that the first cut that you got that was big from somebody that wasn't you? You know, this is a great story. The first cover I ever had, our first co write I ever had was with meat Loaf where It's just crazy. So two thousand one, I was recording an album at a uh Conway Studios in Los Angeles, this amazing three studio complex in the heart of l A and Jane's addiction saying about it, and Jane says, Um anyhow, but justin timber Lake was in one studio, Better Nazer was in the middle studio and Mr meat Loaf was in the next one and long stories. I wrote this song with him called Testify, which was a seven minute long opus about a truck driver on speed. Truck breaks down and he stumbles into a tent side revival. You should listen to it if you want. If you want to see an exercise and bad taste, google our YouTube meat Loaf Testify Sydney Opera House and it's a spectacle that you want to take a shower, but but but then but anyways, the guy that managed meat Loaf also managed Blondie and the b G so I wrote. I wrote a single for Blondie. I wrote a song with Barry Gibb that was terrible and never got released, but that opened my eyes to co writing. And then suddenly other younger artists like how we were coming to me and and Uh wanted me to write with him because they were influenced. So that kind of started me. But meet Love started the co writing. That's funny. Sugar Land stuck like Glue wrote this one too, Beat again, Beat again, Beat again, and then James Blunt. I'll be your man is not the one? Are you still writing three or four times a week? What's the deal now, Kevin? Oh yeah, oh yeah, man, I'm riding with different bands. I've just just written some songs with the Strut and the band called the Record Company, got some cool stuff coming out with them, and uh three three, three to five times a week. Well hope everybody checks out. In your eyes the new one from Better Than as a Peter Gabriel cover, but such a good version. Um. I still live on Deluxe. There's probably once every couple of months, I go back and just take the whole thing in. I find now, even though my job is to at times find new music, what makes me feel most comfortable as I get older now is just going to the music that I loved as a kid. So it's better than Ezra John mayor counting crows. Um, isn't it funny? Like like when you you have some notes in your house? I do, Okay? What is your Sunday morning? What is your go to artists radio? Um? I'll play uh acoustic nineties. Oh that's good, that's mine mine is I'll do remember that? Dan Travis, Oh yeah, why does it always rain on me seeing Yeah do me, so do Travis Radio. Cure Radio is great, but my go to might be Van Mortson Radio for that sultry romantic Sunday morning. Next time I need to be sultry and or romantic, I'm gonna check it out and think of Kevin Will I always do. At Kevin M Griffin on Instagram at we are better than Ezra on Instagram. Congratulations twenty years ago. Man. Just to be able to last and to be able to talk about it has got to be really cool. I appreciate the time, and as always I'm a massive fan. I can't wait to see in Roll life again. Dude, Right back at your bobby A right there, Kevin, Kaylee, how are you? I'm good? How are you guys? Really good? On with us right now? Is kayleie sure? Who's got a new song out today that is called My Voice? Here you go with play cliph it for you? Yeah? So Kaylee with this song now? Is this part of your new relationship as you have a new record deal. Yeah, yeah, it's my first, Um, it's my first release with them. It's gonna be pretty exciting. Then they have to be very excited about this too, right. Oh yeah, I mean, I you know, I really didn't think this song was going to get released because of how I don't know, it's kind of it's pretty out there as far as you know um topics for songs go. It's about the music industry, and so I didn't think that a label would would like it. And I played it for them and they were all totally obsessed and championed the song from the very beginning, which was a good sign that I was in the right place. So my voice is about your voice in the industry, doing what, saying what? Well, you know, I mean, you have definitely talked about it a lot, but like, you know, the problem with being a woman in country or the not the problem with being one, but you know, for the past decade it's been really hard for women to be heard in Nashville, and you know, we're finally seeing things move. But I mean, I think for a while I would go into these meetings and it was like I already had a strike against me just because I was a girl, and I was like, Okay, well I can't change that, and it wouldn't like I never want to come from that at like as from a perspective of being whiny because it just like irritated me. Like I wasn't like, oh I want to like be part of this game. I was like, Okay, well that's just rude. Let's let's find a way around it. So that's always been my approach, and um, you know, especially like I have a lot of rock influence in my music. Like my first two bands that I played in middle school was I played in a Nirvanic cover band, and then I was in a bluegrass band, And the song really encapsulates all of that. But I think for a while too, people would tell me that I was a country enough. I couldn't like have an electric guitar and a song because it made it sound too rock. And the song is about me just owning my perspective, my sound, who I am, and you know, not being afraid of it. You know, there's another song that comes to mind, and it sounds sonically nothing like your song, but when you go, you know, this is a perspective that I didn't think a record label would would take and promote because of what it's saying. When I think of that, I think is Sarah Burrelli's love song I don't want to write you a love song, because that was about her record label saying, hey, you need to write a love song and she's like, I don't want to write you a love song. And people had interpreted that in many ways like it was an actual song toward a person where she's like, I don't want to write you a love song, but it was actually towards the record label. I think went to be a number one song. Yeah, so cool. I mean I love that story about that song and I think it's super relatable. So, by the way, Kaylee has a podcast that is called Too Much to Say with Kaylee Shore, and one of your last episodes too, you talked about because this is gonna be on your deluxe record, right, Yes, it's called open Book Unabridged, so open Book. It came out about a year ago, and you spend one of your podcasts talking about the process with that record. Yeah, like an entire episode. What like, give me a couple of things that would be interesting to me to hear. Well, I did it all in a one room studio upstairs from an office on music Row with my producer Um. The two of us played almost all the instruments his like twenty year old Son played drums. Members of my live band, actually Natalie So've all played siddle um Stevie Wood were played harmonica. It was just like a bunch of friends making an album. And it was the first time that I ever like went into the creative process completely unconcerned with what anybody thought, with what Nashville thought, whether or not it was going to get me a record deal, whether or not it was going to have a hit on it. I just made the music that I needed to make, and I was writing all of it about the most challenging year of my life. I went through a breakup and I blest my sister and had to return to that place of using music as therapy and not having it be so much of a career and like, you know, making business moves all the time because it's so weird. I mean, you know, like being creative but also having to like have that be your job. You can kind of get those things confused sometimes. So I really just returned back to his place where I was just an artist, just a writer and just getting my feelings out there. And it worked. Yeah. Since since doing this podcast, what do you think is the biggest thing you've learned about yourself. Oh I I think I had a moment. So I'm up pretty even though I'm like angsty in my music and have this attitude, I'm actually a pretty nice person, I think, and I'm very much so a people person, and I think that for the first time, I really was like, oh wow, there's going to be people who don't like me, and I can't make them to me like they're just not going to like me and that's okay. And I was like, I think I have this realization where I was like, there's somebody out there who listens to my podcast just to make fun of me, and that's okay because they're still streaming it and it still counts as a stream. And there are some people out there who are listening to your podcast that don't like you yet but will come to understand you and therefore create a bond and like you. Those are those are one of the best things too, because I mean, I think if you're polarizing, as you know, a personality or a musician or anything like, at least people are talking like it means that you're you have something you stand for, because if you don't have any opinions or values or whatever, You're probably not very interesting. Yeah, people that are just good just exist, like I want to be on one side of the spectrum or the other because there's passion and polarization. So no, I I really love the song. I love what you're about. I hope people check out the song and it is out today called My Voice. Follow Kaylee at Kaylee shore k A l I E s h o r R on Instagram and Twitter and looking forward to another episode of the podcast. There are six up now, I believe right mine? And when do we hear more music from the project? Not to jump ahead already, but I know you say that open book on our Bridge Doll will be out, Like what's the timeline with that? Um that'll be out within the next I mean it's gonna have before the end of the year, before the holidays. And we have three more songs on it that are brand new that people haven't heard before that we'll have those out over the next few weeks on a you know, staggered schedule. But I'm really excited for everybody hear. I'm all right, My Voice is out today. More music soon, Kaylee. Good to talk to you and I'll see you soon. By Guys by by bye,