Wide Receiver Draft with Phoebe Schecter

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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast Won't Wear a Lane here. Welcome to Around the NFL, the latest edition, Deep in the offseason edition. I'm Dan Kansas, joined virtually by Greg Rosenthal. What's up, buddy, I mean, I'm just a little annoyed how much you're showing me up. You're we haven't done the whole virtual set up in a while, which is nice, especially because you're set up, which already was a lot more professional than mine, now has a neon sign that says old zeus Er lit up in the background. I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I'm it's taken me aback. I'm a little disappointed that Mark is not here right now. Mark somewhere on vacation, maybe a vacae Asian. Well. I don't know what's going on with Mark. We don't know, and hopefully he'll be back. I think he just like saw the amount of days that we've each had off so far this offseason. He counted him up and he's like, I need to even that out. And I knew that was coming, by the way, but that's fine. Um. The reason why I wish he was here for the unveiling of my old Zue or neon sign was he he would just be disgusted by it, and I feel like that would have been I would have gotten some mileage out of that. Um, this is a gift from my brother Kevin Danger hands Us. He got it from me for I think Christmas, And at first that was a little sheepish about should I put it in the background. It feels like maybe it's a little much, but maybe maybe at this point in my career it's time to just completely completely lean in to the persona and let that consume fully consume the man behind the persona. So that's where I'm at right now. This is I'm going full w w E. I am no longer Dan hands as I am now the old zuser. Uh here too forward. I mean, we've been on this journey together for a while. Here. I remember early on in the podcast days, I would often call you out for when you would go third person, and then at some point I stopped even calling you out because there were so many different third person nicknames you had made up for yourself. You know, the old Blue what is it, the olde, the new old blue eyes, and um, so I think this, I think the circle. I like it. I mean I kind of like like it and don't like it at the same time. So that's that's what you I think, that's what you want is what I'm looking for as a person, and your background is fine. It maybe could use it anymore, So that's not Maybe could use a little two sprucing for the new season. If we do end up here doing certain shows, we still will be doing remote shows that even see its podcast if we're not on TV anymore from home. I'm done with it, you know, I'm phoning it in. I don't. Somebody should tell Greg that this is two thousand twenty two. The social media content. You're always on camera now, buddy, right now, you're on camera. Yeah, but I I always look like trash on at our podcast. I'm finally I UM. I spent the weekend in Nashville with my buddies from back east. I did not, as you can see some here. I did not get chappelled um by a single Titans fan, which was nice. Great city. Had never been there before. Shout out to c J. So many talented musicians down on Broadway there. He was certainly among them. Uh and he's a big E T N fan. And he appeared legitimately shocked to see me standing in the crowd like a big old bozoh uh, and that that's funny and perhaps understandable. We had a nice conversation. He had a theory why Mark does not deserve sandwiches for the Philly Special. But once again, I gotta keep that chambered because Mark's not here. So but that was great shout out c J, long time listener, love Nashville. The crowd of what what kind of crowd? Um? What kind of crowd? You said? He saw you in the crowd? What crowd? Yeah, No, so you're familiar to all with that main drag there in Nashville. There's bands that play literally morning tonight through the night, um in every single establishment, and there's a you know, it's a very crowded district. And so I was in the crowd watching uh CJ's band on Thursday night, and then I ended up seeing him on Friday as well. It was It was a nice little thing. But uh yeah, if you're a music lover, if you like good times, if you like if you're our age now Greg, where maybe you want it. Not that you're like, hey, guys, trip, that's not really a Greg ros the whole thing. But like if you went and you wanted to go to a city where you didn't feel like too old, like Nashville is perfect. It's got all ages, you know. It's a great, great, fun American party city with a lot of history too. So West and Kisha hit it up on his Sandwiches tour. He said, unbelievable sandwich is in an unbelievable city. I remember they were they were both in love with it, and that was Yeah, that actually came to mind while I was walking the streets of Nashville. This is right up Chris West Long Alley. So that was nice. Anything to report on your weekend before we move into today show. Now we were we were hunkered down. Walker got COVID last week. I thought you couldn't really tell, but so we're just hanging Maybe I got it too. How are you, buddy? I'm okay. So we picked a good show. Me back from the pack to Nashville. You COVID in the house. Let's stay remote for the balance of the week coming up on today's show. Very exciting, UM for the guests that we're gonna have on today's show. Um, Greg, you have done Um super Bowl coverage with this woman who works with Sky Sports, works with the NFL, and now she's going to be joining us on today's show. Phoebe Scheckter. That's good. She knows her stuff and she is gonna add a lot of value for a very impressive, very important I should say draft we have coming up. That's all I'll say. You're what you're teasing the draft. I mean, it'll probably be in the title of the show if you want to just go check it out now. But I like that. I'm excited for this. This is like great offseason content. And yeah, Phoebe's amazing. She she was so good on the Super Bowl coverage we did. Also was a staff member under Sean McDermott, like a coaching intern there. So that's that's exciting. Works at Sky Sky with our our friends there, so it'll be great. Let's get some Sean mc dirt mint, you know what I mean. But before that, the news chilling on the seventh floor I got is in the house and quick on the face. Yes, of course, Greg Houlson, the seventh floor crew from the Miami Hurricanes. We'll get to Greg in a little bit, and yes, maybe the bleeps made it difficult to understand the message of the song that Greg and the rest of the seventh Flew seventh Floor crew tryn express. But that's for the best. This is a family show, Greg, at the end of the day, and also there's kids that could be listening in the car and the entire female race. The beat the Beefs threw me off that I haven't heard that in maybe ten years, and I totally forgot it ever existed. And that's exactly what Greg Olson wants. All right, Let's get to the news. Start with the Cleveland Browns. They have kept an important defensive player in the building. After Jadeveon Clowney's fourteen unsuccessful trip to free agency, he's decided to stick with the Browns, returned to the team on a one year deal worth up to eleven million dollars. So he'll start next to Miles Garrett, Clowney and people that listening to the show. Now, I've given Clowney a little bit of grief um for not maybe being the guy that connects with how much we talk about Jadeveon Clowney in terms of production. He's never had ten sacks in a season, for instance. But I feel like He's had nine sacks in a season about six times now, including last year, So Greg a value add to keep him with the Browns and and uh, that defense should be able to make some noise this season. I mean, I'd like I'd like someone to say my trip to free agency was unsuccessful if I could get you know, eleven million dollars at the end of it, he's doing He's doing fine. Uh, they needed him. They probably expected this to happen the whole time. They have Chase win of It right now as their third pass rusher really, which I think is a nice role for him. I think could be a nice pickup. But when I was doing the projected starters at first, and like I was slotting and Win of Itch as the starter and like no one really behind him, it was like they better signed to Evan Clowny. Ian Ian reported that he turned down some multi year offers were thirteen to fourteen and the others a year. Okay, I'd like to see the guaranteed money on all that. Clowney got what he was gonna My guess is there's only eight or nine real million dollars in this and that some of it is incentives, and that makes sense. He was a good He was a good value at even a lower price last year for Cleveland. A quality starter for that money is great. I mean, ultimately we get all excited about the draft. The odds are all these defensive ends that were drafted in the first round, the average one is going to have a worse season in two than Jenevan Clowney. It's a it's a it's a big deal that to go go at a starter at this point in free agency. Yeah, and I would say all the drama around the quarterback position aside, this is a roster that certainly, um if you add high level quarterback, has a chance to compete for the a f C title. And uh, you know, the next move I want to see for them is adding that wide receiver. There's still some names out there. I'm gonna pound the table once more for a will or If you're gonna bring Deshaun Watson to your team and everything that comes with it, why don't you bring the guy that he loved making plays with in Houston basically his entire career there, who's still out in the market, will be very affordable as long as everything checks out behind the scenes. I don't know where Fuller is at big picture wise. Odell Beckham, of course is still out there. He talked his way out of Cleveland or his dad talked his way out of Cleveland because of Baker Mayfield. And yes, Baker Mayfields a Brown, but he's not really a Brown. Let's see if one of those guys ends up on that team, because if you had one more really um buzzy playmaker to this offense, Yes, there's no denying that the Browns, if they do have the quarterback they want to have play the majority of the games, you could make a case that they have a chance to win the whole thing. That's that's I think the ceiling with this team. Like it or not, yeah, I think. I don't think the roster is quite as good as it was two years ago. But I'm with you on Fuller would be a great idea. Just get a professional like Julio Jones. I don't know what he wants financially, just someone that can be there because right now you have Donovan People's Jones as your two and probably a rookie David Bell is your three, like or or Anthony Schwartz. From me, You're either way, you just you need like one more pro that can just maybe two that can just catch fifty balls, Like if you get fifty for six hundred out of Julio Jones, like that's probably better than the guys that are on their roster right now, and they probably will. They have enough cap space to do what they need to. So you're looking for a bro who's a pro that would work. I mean, they're there are guys out there. There's seventeen guys in my top one O one still available, UH, much more than a normal at this time of year. Who is the highest out of curiosity, Odell Beckham because I was kind of looking at him as like a long term pickup that he would still make sense. Dwayne Brown, who still played at a pretty high level, Tree Flowers, Keem Hicks is out there. There's some decent start. JC Treader, who was a Brown last year, played pretty well. All right, Let's move to the Washington Commanders, who you know for years now. There's just always a lot of things hanging over this organization, and so much of that is connected to ownership UH and Daniel Snyder and what's been going on behind the scenes there. There's just been scandals that have just marred the franchise, and USA Today's Jarrett Bell reports that NFL owners are quote counting votes on removing potentially uh Snyder from his role. Uh the source as an anonymous NFL owner, So that is as high up on the chain as you can get. And there are thirty two teams. You need to get twenty four teams to vote an owner out. I mean, that would be uh unprecedented, Greg, do we do we? Has this happened? You know, these are billionaires, a billionaires boys club, and these guys tend to stick together. But Snyder has potentially made himself an outlier because of the latest controversy, which stems from an ongoing investigation that alleges the commanders cheated other teams out of ticket revenue, which should be shared amongst the franchise. That's a no, no right, which would be crazy. That That's the thing that had I mean to to review. Since Daniel Snyder was removed from the day to day operations because of um the workplace misconduct investigation that they had in terms of how poorly they've treated women, which is not He's been called to Congress for more investigation, more accusations, and this report about him stealing money from it, like if he if he can't get kicked out right now, no owner ever will. And the whole idea was like owners don't want to do this because it could potentially lead to the skeletons in their closet getting brought up. Um, But man, I would just feel better working for the NFL without Daniel Snyder in it. This isn't This isn't a new thing. And the the news worthy part of this story to me is that someone's willing to go to USA today. This is like a very direct person that they're going to Jarrett Bell was a Pro Football Hall of Fame, you know, award winner in terms of the Wall, the Sphinx Award, the writer Like, we're gonna go to USA today, the one that's still get dropped off in the hotel. We're putting this out there, like that's a different step in the process. Um, And it makes me hopeful. But I've been hopeful about this before that that there could be changed. And in terms of the history of this type of situation, it's ever happened. Jerry Richardson walked away when he was feeling the pressure, but he there was no vote like he just Arry Richardson, and that was coming in the wake of the Donald Sterling scandal involving the NBA UH Clippers franchise, and he was forced to sell. So Richardson perhaps was trying to get ahead of that when he sold. But beyond that, this is uncharted territory. If it goes down this road, and I would imagine there will be lawyers, uh, and the story will mushroom if the NFL owners ever banded together in the majority on Washington do it owners all right? In other news, you heard Greg Oldson and at the top of the news. He has since moved past his time as a Miami area rapper into a very successful NFL career as a Pro Bowl tight end and then made the transition when his feet literally begged him to stop playing football, uh, to the broadcast booth, where he's been very good. He's a really good, rock solid guy with I think potential to even be better than that. And even though Tom Brady has under contract for a mega deal with the Fox with Fox once he finally retires, Greg Olsen will be the one calling the Super Bowl on Fox next February. Of course, our boy Andrew Marshand, who was on the show last week, had this first. Olsen and Fox Sports have a deal in place that will make him Kevin Burkhardt's partner for Super Bowl fifty seven from Glendale. Um, So there you go. So if at least in the short term, Burkhardt and Olsen are the number one team, there's also a Drew Brees scenario out there, Greggy, because Bree he's in his weird cryptic text tweet last week. Let it be known that he can go in a lot of different directions. And then, of course we don't know how much longer Tom Brady's playing. I think this is it for him. But Marshawn threw a little cold water on that on our show last week. So there we go. As the NFL broadcasting booth turns, it would have been nice if Marshawn gave us that scoop. I mean, I thought the same thing, thought about it because he made it the day before and he kind of hinted around and maybe he didn't have it. Then I'm sure he didn't actually, because can I tell you something I thought during the conversation. I saw it in his eyes. I think he almost did it. I think he almost did it. And maybe maybe that's on us. Maybe if we just would have just just a little bit prodded a little bit more, he would have given it to us. But ultimately we failed. So that's just the way it is. I mean, I think, you know, he's got his employers to keep happy, so I get that he's sort of hinted around at it um and he hinted around the idea that like, I don't know if tom Brady is gonna take this job eventually, which I really that was what I found most intriguing, was like, Okay, tom Brady could play more like tom Brady could change his mind um, and Fox has got to move forward as if they don't know for sure when tom Brady is coming. I think Olson will be, like, like you said, rock solid. I think I think he's good. I think you can learn something from I just don't want an announcer like taking away from my experience. And I thought you could tell with Marshaun's report about Breeze that like this, he was saying that this is gonna be Breeze's best chance to really get a foothold in the broadcasting business. And it almost felt like maybe that was coming from like the Fox side of things. It's like they're not gonna pay top dollar for Drew Brees necessarily be number two, Like if if he's gonna hold them over a barrel, and like want to be that dude, and like want that special attention that Drew Brees gets. It's like you gotta put in your time, man, and in the train might leave the station if you don't just take. Yeah, that's why the whole thing was struck me as a little bit odd. Like you had Drew Brees doing Notre Dame games with Tarriko correct on Saturdays, Like why not do that for three or four years? And and really, you know, learn the craft and and get better. And if you don't, if you really don't want to do the UM Studio NFL telecast, you don't have to. I mean, I'm sure you could work something out UM and just stay on top of the NFL game and then when the time comes, maybe you get an opportunity. But uh, you know, but good good for Greg Olson that he'll he'll be excited for that. There won't be as much Fox like number one team in our lives without t n F. Now you know, we were getting fucking Aman twice a week last year, the last couple of years, so that'll be a little different. But we get them, we get them some big spots like it. All right, let's hold up right here. We'll take a quick responsible break and be back with more news alright. Time now for roster news and notes presented by up work, where you can build the team that would build your business. Learn more up work dot com. Oh Nick Nick full Oles on the move once again. What a journeyman. He's turned into a master journeyman, this Nick Foles for a guy that had one of the great Super Bowl runs ever. Uh These signs with the Colts, so formerly of the Bears, a two year contract or unites uh folds with Frank Reich, who coached the Eagle's offense during that famous Super Bowl run in two thousand eighteen by the Eiggles. He's thirty three years old. He will not um be supplanting Matt Ryan as a starter unless Ryan gets hurt. Um And he didn't do much last year, Greg to make you think that going forward, there's a lot left in the tank. But I think it's a sensible move by both sides. Yeah, they needed a backup quarterback badly. He did start one of the weirdest, more memorable games for me, like the this this was like a reminder of like why I like football, Like his comeback um in Seattle for the Bears was like a totally bizarre great moment of season for me. Like he had a two touchdown come back in the fourth quarter where he made some throws and I was like, what is happening here? Is like football can be entertaining in almost any scenario, like two totally dead teams and Nick Foles is making wild plays to get a game winner. Yet I feel like that happens. I feel like it happens even more with kind of also ran teams are a little off the radar and they're starting a guy that had the season worked out differently. Maybe they didn't want to start in him, but that guy turns out to be a former star or a dude who really slinged it earlier in his career. I remember, if any test have already had some of those type of games where he was kind of a forgotten guy and then all of a sudden would be like or boom late period boomer assize, And remember throwing for five yards for the Cardinals once late in his career, like these guys pop up with those big type of games. But yeah, it's Matt Ryan's team, there's no doubt about it. And Folds now is transitioned into that like Joe Flacco, that stage of his career where you know where you are. You're not trying to be the guy anymore, just looking to collect some paychecks, be involved with the game as long as you can before it all goes away. Uh, because time is finite, Greg and everything, including for an NFL quarterback five different teams in seven years, So you're right about the journeyman. That was news and Notes presented by upwork, the world's work marketplace. Learned more at upwork dot com speaking of the Colts and quarterbacks and veterans and it not working out. Carson Wentz was one and done an indeed, despite the Colts giving up big draft assets to bring the former Eagles first round pick to the team last offseason. And um, it was always a very kind of unique NFL story just by how open the team was. That was getting rid of the quarterback was about non not wanting to be with that quarterback anymore. Uh Ersa had told reporters after Wentz was traded to the Commanders for some draft picks, and Carson Wentz, by the way, in case you forgot, is a member of the Commanders, and he is ready to take charge, as we all know, decided to really go ahead and start to take command. Oh sorry, he's ready to you know, don't blow the line, that's why, ready to take it seven times to start, ready getting ready to take him in anyway, or told reporters it was very obvious the Cults had to move on from Wentz. And guess what, Carson Wentz. Now he's having his side. He's like what what what? What? Yeah? That I didn't expect that. I didn't expect that things unfold the way they did. And you know, I thought things were in a pretty good place. There, had awesome relationships with every single person in that building. Can't say enough good things about the people over there, And um, yeah, kind of came out of left field. You know, he's he's entitled to his own opinion, and you know, he's entitled to do what he wants with his football team. That was from the column Cowherd podcast and right the video clip we just played, which you could check out on YouTube. Right beneath Um, Carson Wentz was just a big logo for manscaped, and it just made me connect dots about Carson Wentz and how he's grooming himself, and that was unpleasant to me. I just wanted a little I'm speaking my thoughts out loud. I don't think you need to connect those dots. I don't think that's necessarily the case there. I think, Um, I mean, he is a guy that likes to take command. So maybe you're right, you know what, I kind of with you. Maybe he's not somebody that subscribes to that level of self care. By the way, like he said, he has great he had great relationships with everyone in that building. I'm sure that's why he believed. But um, there's just an indication that not a you know, relationships go two ways, and like if someone disagrees with you about that, then like they're they're right too. Yeah, sometimes I feel like with the went stuff, Um, there's a tendency to pile on him a little bit, even though there's not a lot of documented evidence that he's a bad guy or a bad teammate. But yeah, it is one of those reading between the lines. There's just a disconnect with him and his teams that he plays for, which is not great at the game's most important position. Moving on the game's more most important position. San Francisco forty Niners. They fashioned themselves like a big time, top level, top tier super Bowl contender in two, but they don't know who their quarterback is. That's kind of a weird territory to be in. George Kittle made the media rounds ahead of his tight end university thing he does. And he was on p f T Live with your old boss Florio Greggy and he's not even hiding it. Nobody's hiding it. He calls Garoppolo v Lance a toss up for him. Let's listen in to what Kittle had to say. That's a million dollar question, isn't it. You know, that's one reason I'm glad I'm not the head coach of So that's all on coach Shanna Hian, you know, like and I'll give you both ways. Like you know, Jimmy g awesome in the huddle, great leader, directs guys. People are you know, you know, go to attention when he's talking. He's got a quick release, he knows the offense. Know, like I said, been to an sc championship games. Who knows what he's doing. Um, Trey Lance can run, extend plays, does all the play action stuff, incredible, could throw the ball seventy yards. So it's just I don't know. It's a toss up for me. Oh Man, Kittle is gonna be definitely in the media game in a few years, by the way. Yeah, he had a better background than me too, which is a little this point, I um, I don't know right now. What are they gonna say? What? What can he say? Kittle loves Jimmy g It's one of the awkward positions that they're putting themselves into by keeping them on the roster. And yet the later we get into this, the more likely it is that they're just going to keep them on the roster. You know, maybe maybe Carolina changes their mind or Seattle changes in mind. Seattle would be weird, But Carolina changes their mind at some point. But that's not going to be until mid August, so they gotta play this thing out. And and maybe we should have seen this coming, um collectively when garoppolo season ended immediately followed by shoulder surgery on his throwing shoulder, which is a big deal. And but we don't know exactly how much that truly played into drawing up his market. I think you would, you would speculate, Yes, it probably had a big, big reason behind it, and probably the only reason why I didn't get traded. And yet it is pretty stunning to me. Yeah, this just feels like it's the most likely scenario now that this is how their season, UH is going to The narrative round the season, at least heading towards training camp, is that they have these two guys in the building and Garoppolo might have a chance to hold off trade lance, which nobody was predicting UH in January. Ultimately, I don't think he's going to have much of a chance. He could also have another move here where he doesn't want to stay with the forty niners, but it probably wouldn't happen because he's making so much money and I think they're willing to pay him his salary even if he's the backup. It's not too different from Jacoby Brissette um when Andrew Luck came back a few years ago and had this huge salary and they just decided to keep just in case Luck Luck at her and it's it's kind of similar like he's not gonna make that money elsewhere, so he's got to kind of be a good soldier about it. And I don't think he'd have much of a chance to win the week one job, but he'd just be there lurking all handsome. You know, I don't know, man, it feels a little more wide open to me that trail Lens is gonna have to play well and this summer and through training camp and even an experit like we might have those those training camp. Usually those preseason games don't mean much, but they might mean a little bit more for San Francisco. We'll see, we'll see. Finally in the news, it's uh now where are we were? In the last week full week of May. Bill Belichick has not revealed who will call plays for the Patriots in two thousand and twenty two. We know it won't be Josh McDaniels, who got a head coaching job, so it will be who who hoo hoo. Uh. He met with the media, Belichick, and he downplayed the importance of the role and uh he you know, he just doesn't want to talk about it, and he doesn't want you asked him about it? Why do you care? So much. Let's listen to the hooded one. Didn't get it. Not a word was were that was that English? I heard gran gran grand Grandbo Granbo. Next question, Uh, to be fair, Well, I don't know about to be fair, but this isn't new for him. But the the offensive side of it of like not knowing he was calling plays a little new, especially with like a young uh quarterback like mac Jones. Like when McDaniels left, it was mysterious. Um, I think it was Dable was in there for a minute back in the late OTTs. Uh, you know, he's still we still don't know who the defensive play caller is all of last year, like we understood it was some combination of Steve Belichick and Gerard Mayo and Bill Belichick. But it's it's weird because now everyone's watching these little mini O t A practices and they're noticing Belichick doing some of the stuff. And as a Patriots fan who's like feeling a little bit like, you know, we're we're past the We're past the most exciting time of my Patriots fandom. No matter what I mean, it's over. Um, like we just witnessed the greatest running professional American professional sports history. I would argue, like it's it's on the downturn. You know what would get my juices going. I want Bill Belichick call in those places, and that there's some thought maybe he's got to be the offensive play caller. Now that gets me a little more. I'm just happy you feel anything, Greg about the Patriots or My other theory is that this has all been an elaborate moved by you to play down your Patriots fandom, like I don't really care anymore, to gain some analyst pop that you have that of course it's deep within I'm gonna care more about them than other teams, but it's not. It just can't get back to where it was, like you gotta you gotta just realize you enjoy Did you enjoy it as much as you should have now? Like now that it's it seems to be if you go by, if you go back and listen to our not that you ever would, but absolutely would. Super Bowl Championship when they beat the Seahawks and certainly the Falcons and Rams. I think all it was was like those whole run ups was an appreciation if I all I wanted was that fourth one. You know, it was one more dot de I uh and I did. I did appreciate it. And now it's it's a new era with a with a mysterious play called. But they've done this a million times, like when Flores supposedly took over the defense, we didn't know who was calling plays like three or four years ago. They want a super Bowl that way, actually that that year, like they this, this is his thing. It's stupid, but he's been doing it for twenty years, right. I guess the only way I feel like you would be concerned about this if if Belichick was like eight eight years old and you were worrying about his ability to really keep up with everything. But I don't have those concerns even though he's um the second oldest coach in the league. I have a tiny bit of concern that there's only like four offensive coaches and two of them are Joe, Judge and Patricia and they're in charge of It's like there's a little bit of concern. I'm not saying. And there was a there was a report out there from Badard up in Boston that there was some grumbles and concerns about where things were the state of the Patriots right now. Players concerned about the direction of the offensive coaching stuff. Everybody should just calm down. I think it's gonna be fine, But but you don't want your players like concerned. You don't want your players being put in this weird position of answering these questions. It's not the biggest concern, obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised that, like, there's some offensive players that like, wait, what, we don't know who the play callers? Wait, what judge being Like if if this was a report coming out of the Panthers camp, and I know they're all set because they got their rock star offensive coordinator in the building, But I would say, okay, Matt Rule doesn't have somebody in place that players are concerned. But this is literally Bill Belichick, and it's just like, I'm not concerned. Exl me. That's what's happening in the news. But before we get take a break and then get to our guest, I want to debut a new UM offseason recurring segment, Greggy. You know, as I go through, as I go through my different process getting ready for each show, sometimes I'll come across something on uh, the Worldwide Web, and I'll say, oh, that will be a good little nug for the show. So why not just how's it within this realm and its own um, its own little world. I call this segment. It came from the internet, This one via the NFL subreddit. Despite going three and fourteen and having a quarterback on a rookie contract, the Jacksonville Jaguars have negative eighteen million in cap space in Okay. That is a surprising nugget. That's it. That's all it is. Hit the music graver. It came from the internet. You know, is that team being well? Trent Balky guy keeps a job. You gotta give him that. I mean, if I I love that Trent Balky knew we needed to get it done this year and just spend someone else's money. That's what I would do if I was about to be fine Alas, Yeah, that's the feeling you want to have as a fan base when uh, when you're heading towards the summers, like, oh, the guy that knows he's gonna get fired is just recklessly spending in an effort to go you know, seven and ten this year. All right, let's take a yeah, and then we'll bring on the great Phoebe Scheckter, Welcome back our next guest. Gotta hellm rest me better than ours. A former coach on the Buffalo Bills, where she was an offensive assistant, the current Sky Sports pundent slash presenter depends what you want to call it. A former professional football player herself and one hell of an analyst. Did I mention that? Yes, that falls under pundent slash presenter? Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, Phoebe Scheckter, Welcome to around the NFL. Thank you so much for having me. I mean, the music just makes everything better. So I feel very honored. Yes, we're happy to have you. And uh, Phoebe. Like, in terms of background, um, let's start with the Bills side of things, like how did that come about? And what kind of experience was that working under Sean McDermott. Yeah, So I initially applied for the Bill Walsh Diversity Fellowship back in UH and that was my first trading camp. So I was with DBS my first year and then I just kept hounding him all throughout the year to have me back, and they asked me back the next year. And it was a bit of a change of scene for me because I I for the first time was on offense, specifically with tight ends um with coach Rob Boris, and it was it was definitely life changing for me in so many ways. But also I was Rob Boris's first ever intern in his thirteen years in the league, so that within itself was its own challenge in terms of having to think five steps ahead of him. So I didn't make myself redundant essentially. But yeah, it's it's been amazing and really being there from the beginning of coach McDermott's journey. I mean, I had an amazing rookie class. You've got Josh Allen Tremain, Edmunds, ran Neil Tredavious White, I mean the names go on and on. So super fortunate to be around incredible people. Yeah, we did. Uh. Phoebe and I were part of the Talk Sport coverage for the Super Bowl, UH in the second half and all I kept thinking and I said this at one point, I was like, I should stop talking because every time Phoebe, that doesn't work. When you say that to yourself in the game, you know it was good, It like makes you shut up as an analyst or whatever during the game. But I was like, I need to just like pop in a lot less because all the points that Phoebe are are is making on the broadcast were like so much better and so much more analytical from like an X and OS uh standpoint than anything that I could say that. It was like the best thing I could do, uh was be quiet and and Phoebe still playing. She's part of the World Championships coming up for Great Britain. She's on that team. We're on the training squad there. So that's that's exciting. That's that's a rare uh feat for any of our guests. I don't think Neil Reynolds has ever been on a training squad. Um ready to for dozens. He just he wants that validation, but he keeps on getting turned away. Don't you know I'm the lead presenter for Sky Sports. Your accent spot on really thank you? Um, all right, let's get into it. Yeah, we we tease it up top. We're gonna do a kind of a fantasy draft. Uh no, not kind of a fantasy draft of wide receivers. Were in a golden era of wide receiver play, aren't we, Phoebe like that? It just feels like in addition to all the veteran stars out there, every year now tends to bring a fresh superstar into the mix. And I don't mean just like a guy that has potential to be a superstar. I mean a guy who by week three you're like, oh, he's one of the top ten receivers in the league in your opinion? Why do these guys now? You're Jamaar Chases, You're justin Jefferson's You can name the guys year by year. Remember Odell Beckham early in this podcast history, immediately came back from a hampstring Injuryers like, oh, this is the most gifted playmaker in football. Why is it that some of these wide receivers just have that ability to immediately become superstars? You know? I think there's a couple of different things. I think one, we have a lot more multi sport athletes and that changes the game complete lead um, you know, just taking those different traits and skill sets from other sports they've played growing up. And I think the other thing is actually, as youth have been growing up, there's been a bigger move away from contacts for kids, and there's been a lot more of seven on seven essentially, and that's essentially just quarterback receiver and and you know dB play And for me, I think that's almost made the biggest difference. You know, you're looking at your Mahomes and um, your Herbert's guys like that who have grown up playing seven on seven. I mean, imagine having Pass Kelly every single week since you were ten years old. Indefinitely you're going to learn how to read a defense and be able to react. And I mean, and no doubt that's not to take away from the unbelievable athleticism that we are seemed to be growing in this world. Right Like you, I know you you work with with flag football. I know you're like traveling around like helping the big build. You know, women playing flag football and boys playing flag football is like a big thing, and I think that's a huge part of it. And that's like now that's where the money is and the way the NFL teams Dan, I think are being built. Like now, I think you really saw it. And West was early on this that the Kyle Shanahan Falcons were like a game changing team because I felt like he knew you needed four wide receivers. And I feel like now now when I look at receiver groups. I'll even like see where there's two great ones or even three good ones and a big drop off, Like that's too thin. Now you kind of need four or five, Like you just need a ton and that's like four. This exercise putting this list together, it's crazy. So many people like you said, like you put Oh they're a top ten receiver. Oh they're a top fifteen receiver. Alright, go make that list because the top twenty at the very least top twenty five, Like you're gonna have to start eliminating some really big names, uh pretty early in that. So let's do some roster building then, because we don't want to be too straightforward. And just if we're let's say we're built, what are we gonna do like five each? All right? So if you're building out five here, um and the three of us will each put together a team and let's have some fun with it. Let's uh grave digger. Once we have the teams together, why don't we vote and we'll have the open it up to the Instagram UM subscribers over there, um at the A T N podcast and have them vote on what the best wide receiver group is. I feel like I'm definitely gonna win. I just I feel like this that's a foregone conclusion. But whoever comes in second place is going to be an interesting uh competition there. Um, so let's make it a competition love that with a sandwich on the line. Uh. And if h and Phoebe, if you are the victor, we'll just have Neil buy you a sandwich. That will work. Um, you know, we'll have some competing against Phoebe here. Though she took that like McDermott, you know, time training here and was like the first guest ever to be actually on and ready like before we even started the show, like thirty minutes early. So she's she's ready. That's troubling. That did rock my confidence a little bit. But also, let's instead of straight picking receivers, let's build a room. Okay. So that means you're gonna want complimentary, you want your one a guy, you're gonna want your second banana, you're gonna want a slot guy. Um, and you're gonna want to balance out the room and get to a good spot. So uh, just know there's one other there's just one other little niche to this exercise. You've gotta be ready for you'll be hit at some point with a special category when you hear that Hart and that will at the very least and I'll leave it at this, narrow down your options when you get to make a pick, and I don't know, you don't know what it's gonna hit, but it will, and you'll hear what the mystery topic that is drawn. I will be drawing it at random. I don't know what it will be. Well. That the key is though, that Dan knows about this whole idea and created the category. So that's that's the key thing you need that that's not important. That's all you need to know is that there is a mystery mystery category and it could hit you at any time. So let's get going. Phoebe, you are the guest, and I guess build out your roster however you want. But it is at the end of the day a draft, and um right, we gotta do snake draft to make this fair here, so I would all right, So let's go since I whatever, Greg, if since I know the mystery categories, I will pick last unless you want to pick last off, fine, you'll get three in four, so that's good, all right. So then Greg Phoebe gets to there there, there there, Okay, here we go on to three four. This is very serious. Food is on the line, so I hope you guys understand the realness of this confortent. It's real now, alright, So one, two, three, Okay, think that's okay. Here we go. Phoebe, you got the first pick. I would imagine you want to take a one a receiver. H You're not gonna pick like a slot guy. You want to someone that's top of the line. But you know what, that's your call. You build your team your wide receiver room. However, you want your up first. I am I am actually gonna go first with Tyreek Hill. You know what, he can stretch the field. He's got this speed. You have to literally game plan against him. So I'm already going to make that defensive coordinator have to think the way that he tracks the ball and he's able to keep that speed. I mean, he is a no brainer to have on your offense. Not for the Chiefs though, you know, not for the Chiefs trading this offseason. Um, not that that was like a red flag, but it was like just like the slightest shading of red to me, that big red Andy Reid was willing to to give him up. He's like unique, like you, your offense obviously would be running so well, PHOEBEU and know just how to use him. You give him to some some adults that are running offenses like I don't. You have to have the right person for Tyreking. I think Mike McDaniel is that person. I know what you're saying about that and their decision they made, but when you give your quarterback a half a billion dollar contract, that's gonna lead to some tough decisions if you want to actually have a real roster, well rounded rosters. So they were I think maybe in a tough position, but he would have been much lower on my list. I'm taking Davante Adams, uh with my pick. Here just feels like he's gonna get I'm looking at this for this year. We're building the room for this year basically, and uh, you just know, I think his numbers might go down in the D with the Raiders, but that's not what we're talking about. This isn't like fantasy stats. He can just do everything you talked about, like building the different room. I'm gonna be looking at guys that can fit in every every spot. And Davante Adams can do everything he can. He can help your pass protection because he can get open so quickly that you're that your quarterback doesn't needs to get rid of the ball. Uh. Derek Carr is good at that, by the way, So I feel like he It's not an easy to pick. There's a couple other guys, but I'm I'm going Davante. I can't go wrong. I can't go wrong. There pff A good stat they had that UM he had nineties six point one percent of his matchable targets UH for receptions UM second highest in the league. So if you put it on him, he's gonna catch the ball. He put it near him, he's going to catch the ball. And Derek Carr, while not Aaron Rodgers, certainly as an accurate thrower of the football. Do we so, Just to make this totally clear, so we're looking at like not so much the resume or just twenty two looking looking ahead? How do we see this in the middle of building my room for this year? Like which team? Which room? I want? Yeah? Alright, that now goes all right. So we got Terry Kill off the board. We got Davante I expected that to play out so very it works out great for the old Zeus or I'll take Cooper Cup off the board from the Rams. Just an absolute production machine. Last year one of the best seasons ever by a wide receiver in and then you gonna say, oh yeah, but this is I don't have any concerns. I don't know if the Rams are gonna run it back, but I know, uh, Cooper Cup is gonna be geted like mad in that offense. I still think Matthew Stafford has a big time years left in him, so even if he doesn't hit that same level um in two, I think he'll be an absolute monster. And then it's gonna snake to me. And now it's getting tough. I love Debo, but I just don't know. Here's the thing about Debo. I don't want to bring it up. He'll come up soon enough, but I'm gonna pass on him. And then it becomes just like we were talking about, should I go with the sensation from one or the sensation from and I'll go with the one sensation. Jamaar Chase will be my second player. I want that guy. Talked about Odell Beckham and what he did when he tore the league apart in um I believe it was Chase did that last year. I think he's just getting warmed up and he's teamed with a great quarterback that's ascended as well. So Cup and Chase, Hello Dolly, they're kind of similar in some ways to me, because like, I don't know how exactly how Jamar Chase is so good at getting open. It's not just pure speed, it's not just pure strength. It's similar with Cup, uh that I think he has an even higher ceiling. But how how much higher could you get? Phoebe we were, you know, that fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. How much more can you do than basically put it on one receiver's back with absolutely no one else on the field for the Rams at that time, Like the whole idea of like cups a system guy, or he's a slot guy, or he's this or that. Like he put that to bed in the most like emphatic way you could possibly do it massively. I mean, he was, he was that fourth quarter. He was He was pretty much the only reason the Rams. I mean, obviously Aaron Donald doing his thing, but that offense was able to do anything. And he made that fourth quarter so exciting to watch. Alright, Greg, you now make your second pick in the second round of the Fantasy Draft. I hear a harp. No, I don't you have a clear runway? No, I mean this this guy. I debated having either two or three on my board. So I think Stefon Diggs is like an absolute steal here. And this is sort of like to my I mean, I want guys that can do everything like that's then you don't have to worry about where you're play Like Stefon Dick can line up inside, he can line up outside. He can take the short routes and go along with him. He can run the medium routes, he can go deep for you. He can do everything. I I I love seeing his numbers pop up in UM, but I felt like that was just confirming what he showed on on film in Minnesota, that he is like as complete as any receiver. I think there would have been an argument to take him number one overall. He's kind of like the last guy at these five, and these would have been the five that I would have had, that you could have made the argument to take any one of these five number one. The only quibble I'll have with this is that he was outrageous in still absolute stud but maybe came down a little bit in the second half, especially there was kind of a downturn a little bit in his production. And now Brian Dables out the door. We don't know how this this offense is gonna look. But these are minor quibbles. Ultimately, I think it's a safe choice for sure. Yeah, and you still have Josh Allen throwing him the ball, So I think, why were you mad? Why were you mad? I took him? Oh No, I totally agree. I would have I had him on my list, so I definitely agree. I think he's unbelievable and he's great effort. I mean, he doesn't he's like a little energizer bunny out there. So no, I mean, and the fact that he's proven he's done it in Minnesota, he's done in Buffalo. It's not like a guy we don't know who can't handle that workload. All right, now, Phoebe, you're up this tough man, all right? I get my two right? Yeah, cool, I'm gonna go so not gonna lie. Had Davanta Adams on my list as well, but I'm going to replace him with DeAndre Hopkins, a guy we didn't see much of last year, but I think this year could really make an appearance again. Um, you know we've seen him throughout the years, just the way that he goes after a contestant ball. He's a big body, great hands again, similar traits to Adams in terms of winning that one on one physical great release. Kind of what you want to have as a nice compliment to Tyreek Hill in my offense. My next one wait, wait a second, Oh, of course that heart means you need to get ready for the mystery category. Your next pick has to be a player who plays for a bird team. A player that plays for a bird team, justin Graver the Grave Digger. Please let Phoebe know any explanations or suggestions that are necessary. Right, So, the five bird teams are the Seahawks, the Ravens, the Falcons, the Eagles, and the Cardinals. Perfect. Your options include players like Ages. We could figure it one. I could figure it out. I mean, it would have been nice if you had given her the Bird team before she took nuke. Almost feels like it almost feel like it's randomized. It feels very random, selectively random. Um, all right, I'm gonna go for pat him over here in London this year. Kyle Pitts. He is technically a tight end whoa technically, but he plays more snaps at receiver. He I saw us that he was like the most effective outside receiver per route in the entire league. So and he played more outside than than inside. So I think I think we gotta allow it. I think we got to allow it. Thank you, thank you. I mean again, like just watching him, he is the way that he tracks the football and his body control some of the catches that he's been making, I mean, a massive mismatch for any defense out there. I just love the way he creates separation. He gets after he's young, so he wanted to get better and uh, for me, that's my birdman. You know I'll give it. I'll give it to you because listen, you get the whole Hopkins thing that was tough with the Cardinals bird team. But he is a tight end. I know what you're saying, the tight end like me, I like you wanted to spice it up. Um, I didn't see that coming. That's off the board. I mean he's more of a wide receiver, like plaining wide receiver than Deebo Samuel, It's not even close. I mean, or Jalen Waddleer Tyreek Kill in some way like he I don't know. I I like it, and um, I like that you threw us off base here. Plus you left all the wide receivers for us. All right, how about this? Wait? I think I hear Greg's up and I think I hear the harp again. Geez, And this is this is gonna annoy because he's he thinks he's building this masterpiece squad and now he has to contend with this. He's like, if Mark was here, he would be annoyed that you would put it in on us and not yourself. What's going on? You have to select a player who has won an sp what this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You have to select player who has a Super Bowl ring. That's even worse. Oh sorry, pretty short list now that Dan took Cooper Cup and Tyreek Hills going. But you know you get that whole Bucks team Mike Evans and Odell Beckham last year. Mm hmm, tough time. Sorry, Um yeah, I'm looking at my list. The next ten players have not won. They have not won a Super Bowl at trophy we show I'll show you mercy. And it also does include players who have won an sp Well, tell me who's one an S I don't know, just justin though he doesn't either, nobody knows. Even ESPN doesn't know. I'm like googling has some Wren winning. This be probably not. This is ridiculous, Um, but you've you've forced me. Well now now I'm going to just throw out maybe injury concerns too, and just think like I think, you know, if if you're gonna go New Copkins, who's suspended, you know for the beginning of the year, and I'm just thinking, like, when they're healthy and everyone's right and he needs to have a Super Bowl trophy than Chris Godwin would actually be my next guy up. I think Chris Godwin is like so underrated, and especially with these two. I got Davante and Digs. Um, I like Godwin inside more than them. Certainly, Um, you can use them in any way you want, um, but you put me in a tough spot. Like I said, the next the next ten guys, you know you could have you could have gone Mike Evans, but I actually would rather have Chris Godwin's I think he's more valuable than Mike Evans. Alright, sorry about that. I'm sorry about that, but that's a great pick. I think hadds a lot of value to your room. It's a nice looking room. I mean I wouldn't have taken him in the third round here, but all right, all right, that now goes to the old juser and Justin. You could hit me with the harp anytime you want, and you could pick the category that I get hit with about okay, Justin hit him? Trying to keep it fair here, let's go with a player whose name has a repeating letter, which is actually a much longer list than I would have thought putting this together. Dan, you have two already in Cooper Cup and Jamaar Chase. That leaves you with Justin Jefferson Debo. It's almost like Dan fed you that this BS category was next, because like the next two players on my list would have that. It's like pretty much every player left on my list as that. Almost, man, that's that's tough. And to be clear, a repeating letter is like back to back in their name, not like they have two a's but like, actually I get it. But even then, even then, almost that's true for every player. My goal was to make you angry. Greg and I have succeeded well more just because you're like, oh, Justin can pick the category, and I know how this works. Justin did not pick the category. Justin has no control. Justin did I did. He said you can pick the You picked the dumb category. Then there are only two left, so I didn't. So now what we're saying here is wait, there's two more categories left, which means that it's probably gonna be Greg and I with the two categories. Categories was one, You're You're in the clear. Now I will I will go with um Justin Jefferson, and I will also go with hey, listen, I'll double it up. I'll go with let's go. Let's go. Guy kind of fell off the radar a little bit. Cite Lamb, okay him because one thing like about Lamb is how he's versatile, like my my offensive coordinator, whoever that may be. Maybe Bill Belichick can help me out with that as well. Uh, Lamb is a guy that could play inside or outside. He's done a lot of it. He's been a dominating player. UM last year wasn't as maybe impressive and as his first year was in some ways, but I think the best of Cdee Lamb is yet to come. I think he's a superstar. I wouldn't put him in my Superstar Club on NFL dot Com just yet, or maybe I would. I don't know what to think about it, but I think he has that he has that window or that ability and could get on that level. And yeah, I didn't think Jefferson would still be around. Um well, he wouldn't have been if I had been allowed to pick probably. Oh oh, sorry about that. So Jefferson and Lamb are my selections. Why why do you like Lamb so much? Phoebe? I like him. You know, I really liked him coming out of training camp last year. I thought that I loved watching his physicality, aggressiveness, the way he got after the ball, and the way he just gets after in practice in general. Um, and then there were times throughout the season I wanted to see him peek a bit more, especially with with having such you know, great percentages in training camp. But I do I really like I really like Ceedee Lamb, and I think that he's got still has a lot of potential. Yeah, I like that you brought up like his physicality, and then he's a guy I think could be used more creatively, like that's not the first thing that you think of is like play strength with him, but he absolutely has it. He's so fat, like his ceiling should be higher than Deebo Samuel, who's my next pick and could be used in a similar way. I don't know if Mike McCarthy um if I trust him to to use Ceedee Lamb in that way, but I do trust Kyle Sani and so I'm excited to have Deebo who, like you know, I can lie. I don't know what we're doing with this room, but I want to get all these receivers on the field as much as possible. Maybe I'll go uh for it or something, or maybe I have three receivers and debos, you know, offset in the backfield, like sign me up. And I'm surprised you let him sit there, Uh, Dan, I think that's where you made a big mistake. I see what you're saying. I liked, but I think I did put a little bit into his the uncertainty going on, we're we're assuming that he's even going to be on the forty niners, which I guess he is. Well, he would show up to my team. I mean he would be excited to play under my ownership. Um, and we would pay him what he deserves, right and would you would you cater the playbook how he wants to be used, not how what would be best for the team, because I think that's been part of the storyline around him as well. He gets his money, then he'll be He'll be happy however we use him. It is. It is something to think about that, Like, all these guys are gonna have a lot of mouse to feed, but I'm still taking the best players. What am I gonna do here? Take Cordorel Patterns. I guess that'd be an option. It's like my fifth but come on, yeah, that would be an interesting move. Yeah, I I think that's a great pick, especially at this part point in the draft. Is he going to be able to continue to take the abuse as well? Probably? But you never know, it's football, Yeah, thick skin, he'll be fine. Yeah, alright, Phoebe, you've got two more picks, my last two? Oh my goodness. All right, I'm gonna go for Keenan Allen. I really like him as a slot guy. Uh, you know, he's pretty big for being splot guy, the way that he is able to read a defense and he can sit right in those zones he can still fight for the ball if it stays in man like that, and also, like more majorly is his yards after catch. He's a guy that can actually big body of the football and then continue to get that that yak. So for me, like that combined with his quickness, I think he's got to be my fourth pick um. And he complaints on that, We okay, I think that's good. I think it's a little a little older, maybe not as explosive as some of the guys left, but yeah, that would be my only take that is he might be the first guy I don't know see you know he's he's only thirty. Actually I thought he was a little bit older. So yeah, I'm thinking that he and he's obviously connected with a great quarterback. But if I had to pick two guys that I would be a little concerned with some age related decline. Hopkins would have been the other guy. So you're banking on, like the veterans, having a couple of got it, We're gonna win the Super Bowl of this year. Got it in it to win it? FM draft picks I like it, and then you close out your draft with this one was tougher because most of my picks that I actually liked are gone. Um, so I'm gonna go for T Higgins. Wow, closing out a little A little Bengals guy again, someone who I think. I mean, he did a great job with the Bengals, and I think considering you know, he wasn't really looked at if they had so many other great players. But this year, going into it, I think, having another year under his belt, I just think he can really do a lot for adding to my offense. With the other receivers I've gotten here, I think he could he could do some damage for me. I love I love that I wrote him down to in my top fifteen, thinking like maybe I'm not going to get to there. But I feel like he's so underrated. Uh Like, if you look at his stats last year, if you count the playoffs because he missed some of the regular season, he ended up with fourteen hundred yards and eight touchdowns in eighteen games. So like what one more than like? He I still people think I think sleep a little bit on what he can do, and he can be a little more complimentary, which I think maybe works. You have a bunch of ones. Maybe it's good to have a guy like that. Said, you left a lot of good players on the board, So one of these players, at the very least isn't getting drafted A J. Brown, Terry McLaurin, DK Metcalfe. Um, I mean we didn't even get to like a Michael Thomas or Maury Cooper. There there's a lot going on here. Jalen Waddle. Um, you you put me in a tough spot because I've got Brown and mclauren well ahead of the pack and DK. Actually that's not true, not well ahead. But I'm just thinking of of my team. I want guys who can do everything. I'm actually gonna take Terry McLaurin, even though I know the Instagram voters would probably be more excited if I took a J. Brown, and that is just like a beastly crew. But I'm gonna be true to myself and not just h pander for votes, So just keep that in mind. I love Terry McLaurin. Uh. I think if you put Terry McLaurin in a situation that was more healthy the last few years. For instance, let's say he was on the Titans, like like A J. Brown, I think he would have absolutely similar production. And again, what I'm looking for is guys that can do everything. A J. Brown is amazing. I have somewhat of a similar player, uh In Deebo Samuel already on the roster. Instead, I want like movable guys for the rest of my my receiver group. So as just filling out, I had A. J. Brown ranked a little higher, but I think McLaren fits better with my crew. Now I'm feel it's cool because, like you're saying, McLaren not always in the best spot to perform, but now he has Carson Wentz, So you're right, Like this is I'm not picking fantasy stats for this year. I'm picking who do I want on my team. I think McLaren would be looked at the same as like A Debo and an A J. Brown if you had been in a different situations. So in this realm, he's playing for a fictional Rosenthal team with a fictional quarterback. Are you the quarterback? Take me through the logic exercise. I mean, we're we're just picking. We're picking teams. We're picking teams that have a team we would run. I'm no, I'm not the quarterback. I think I would have maybe Mac Jones there on too. Let's happening a very bog standard. Yeah, like a middle of the pack. Yeah, y, all right, So you went with scary Terry, which takes us to the final pick. And you know what, I don't know. Maybe this will this will make grape Digger happy since he's no longer remember to save team. But I am going to pass on a J. Brown. I'm looking at my room again. We're building out a room, and the one thing I'm missing right now, I got Cups cup, Chase, Jefferson, ceedee lamb. I want like a real, a big guy, a guy that could just abuse cornerbacks just with his size and physicality and winning at the catchpoint. And that's Dk Metcalf for me um six three, a Greek god uh in terms of his building physique, he's a freak with the speed. So I think we've already got an imposing group. You put in a big man with speed like Metcalf to round out the group with the overall pick. I just don't imagine how anyone ever stops this team with these wide receivers. I mean, yea if this and he was a real team, we would all yeah, the rest of the NFL would be in trouble. Just the three of us compete against each other. It would be fun to watch, though, Um, it is wild. It is wild though that a J. Brown, for instance, didn't get uh, didn't get taken because of what you were looking for. That's a J. Brown too, But that's also d K six one. I wanted somebody was just a real you know, a giant, a twin tower as uh as they say. I think he can be ste I wish he was on my team, like you, you hit me with the surprise category and otherwise god, when would be gone? But it's just it is crazy, how deep like how many players we didn't even get to in the top fifteen. Who else was left out? Phoebe that you didn't get to take here? I mean, I think Gosh again, I really like I know he's an older dude, but Mike Evans really like him, Marii Cooper, um, Jalen Waddle. I mean, there's so many talented receivers it's kind of insane. It's kind of scary to think how many are coming through, and you can understand why corners and safeties are becoming such a big deal in the NFL. When you have to compete with guys like this, you what's your your your kind of what's your specialty? When would you say, as a like, what a position do you play? So I actually play, uh like Nickel essentially when I play. But when I was with Buffalo, I was with tight ends. So for me, I had Charles Clay who was amazing at the top of his route. You've got Dawson Knox who has just been incredible for Josh Allen. Uh So you just appreciate the athleticism of these guys. And yeah, I mean I remember we had this is my little antidote for the day in terms of we had to do these we had to do basically like pas Kelly. So I'd go with the tight ends down to pas Kelly and Coach Boris would take him in the run install And I remember, you know we're going to run this route called a crossbow, so I know what it is. I've told Dawson what to run in this situation. I basically in the middle of field safety. Dawson runs at me like he's running like across the field, and then he plants his foot and he breaks it back out to the same way he's coming. This is media day, just to add injury to insult to injury. So we're out there. I'm stood there like flat foot in the middle field. He comes at me. I know where he's going. I felt so fast on my face, my feet just went dead. Laying there feeling super athletic, and Dawson catches it. It was it was beautiful. That's the thing. Like I I like, look at these guys too, Like so many of them are almost uncoverable that we didn't even talk about Davante Smith, like Deante Johnson who gets open quickly, d J Moore, Jerry Judy, we didn't get oh b J like. And then then you have the vertical guys, Mike Williams, Allen Robinson. It's just like, I don't know, man, it's it just seems like the safest thing ever in a draft a wide receiver these days. And that's what we saw in the first round. UH. This year. Phoebe also the NFL flag ambassador. UH. You are a busy woman, and we thank you for taking the time. Best of luck with everything, including on the field. UH. And we really enjoyed having you. Thank you guys so much for having me. It's been great to chat and compete. We'll see what social media really right. I just realized like that she's gonna win. I just knowing our listeners, I just feel like, um, they'll look past the superior team that I put together and they'll just like want to be nice to a new guest, which I get that didn't that was a very great way to go out with our guest. But let the best person win, I say, Phoebe, I agree, I agree. There she goes Phoebe check thanks Phoebe follower on Twitter and on Instagram. That's Phoebe underscore scheckter awesome guest. Um, Greg, I do feel a little. I feel really guilty. Do you want to do you want to get Godwin out of the mix? Is that no? No? I think we can put a little you know, graver can put a little asterick if you if you listen to the show, which is most that's most important. Um, people will hear the context of it and Chris. I love Chris Godwin. So I don't want to be why do you want? The asterist is coming off a torn c Oh, that's the only thing. I'm sort of like throwing that out of the mix here, all right, So head over to the A T N podcast uh to cast your vote on who has the best wide receiver room in this weird universe where there's not really any other players or coaches or teams, but there are rooms of wide receivers. I mean, it's a universe I'd like to live in. UM. I think it's gonna get people angry. People are gonna be mad that we didn't even mention certain guys or you know, like people are gonna be mad about certain picks. This is this is it. This is our recipe. The next ten episodes, Dan just drafting random rooms, and it felt like a nice opportunity for a Miya Kulpa for you to grab Hunter Renfrow there. That would have been I I, for some reason had it in my head that you were gonna throw a category that was like undersized slot receivers with like who are losing their hair and you're just gonna like forced me to damn it, that's a way better category than the ones I came up with. Um, Hunter, I got you, though, buddy, You're having a great career. I'm a huge fan. He he would have been on my long list. I mean, that's the thing you would you might have to get the thirty till you get to Renfro and he's he's a beast that I think you've made the point, so I'll just kind of echo it that it makes sense why, given the recent results, why these teams are more comfortable taking the first rounder or taking the quarterback or the wide receiver early in the first and even second round, because just the odds are kind of playing in your favor. That what you're seeing on tape um, either in the games or with the various uh you know measurables, it will translate. So it is gold. The game has changed. Um, okay, we'll be back on Thursday. I think Sessler's back on Thursday. Yeah, got marked back. Uh, first show with three of us in a while, so I'll be nice. We'll have some fun. We are in the middle of the off season, so thank you to everybody that is listening and has followed along. All right, good stuff. We'll see you on Thursday, uh with Mark and all the gang. Thank you again to Phoebe Scheckter. Until Thursday, heed the call.