Instant Reaction: Trump and Harris Debate

Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.960 No handshake at the end of the ABC News presidential debate. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.400 Welcome back to special coverage simulcast here on Bloomberg TV 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.160 and Radio. I'm Kaylee Lines alongside Joe Matthew in Washington. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.759 We all just witnessed together more than ninety minutes of 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.960 debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.000 in which a range of issues were covered, from the 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.599 economy and the border to abortion and foreign policy. There 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.640 was a great deal with policy focus in this debate tonight, Joe, 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.640 though we did see attacks frankly coming from both sides 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:40.199 against you. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:40.560 Shatha. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.440 Yeah, we should note for our viewers and listeners they 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.600 did go into overtime. That was a debate scheduled to 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.320 end roughly five minutes earlier than it did by the 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.080 time they got the second commercial break in and closing arguments, 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.240 closing statements. That is where we were here, So more 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:59.080 than a ninety minute romp here, no audience and a 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.520 range of issues. To your point, Kaylee, I think we 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.320 can argue that Kamala Harris had Donald Trump on the 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.920 defense from the start, got into the economy, moved into abortion. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.480 I think an issue we can agree is favorable to 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.959 her and remarkable to see in this case. ABC News 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.000 fact checking live on a number of important issues which 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.160 we have not seen by a lot of networks so far. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.000 Yeah, that included the issue of abortion, Donald Trump claiming 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.960 that Democrats were supporting including vice presidential nominee Tim Walls, 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.640 nine month abortion bands or execution after birth. ABC did 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.320 a fact check that there is no state in which 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.000 that is legal. We also got a fact check on 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.920 something being propagated in certain circles regarding the town of 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.240 Springfield and the idea that migrants are eating dogs. They 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.560 did reach out to the city manager. ABC did no 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:49.120 credible reports of pets being taken. We also saw a 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.280 number of other fact checks as well from ABC. It 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.400 is worth pointing out, though that there were a number 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.800 of things that we heard from both frankly that we 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.559 did want to check as well. We heard, once again 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.760 Donald Trump making comments around the border, the idea that 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.440 migrants and criminals are being sent in directly to Kamala Harris. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.359 Of course, we've heard similar rhetoric before, and Kamala Harris 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.680 herself when I wanted to point out she said no, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.160 member of the active duty military is currently in a 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.320 combat zone. We would point out just last month, the US, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.240 together with a rock launched a joint raid targeting the 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.440 Islamic State. Seven American troops were hurt. And of course 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.239 we saw three soldiers killed in Jordan near the Syrian 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:30.440 border earlier this year. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:31.960 There were a few more where that came from. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.640 Donald Trump said Kamala Harris as a plan to defund 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.480 the police, which she refuted repeatedly over the course of 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.720 this conversation. And she said, he said that she has 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:43.560 a plan to confiscate everybody's gun. Interesting, Kaylee Kamala Harris 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.000 telling the audience tonight American voters that she as well 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.680 as Tim Walls are gun. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.640 Owners, which is not something we hear too often. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.200 Yeah, and that was something that was raised in her 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.960 primary campaign in twenty nineteen, but of course this is 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.560 a different campaign now. She was pressed during this debate 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.080 about some different policy tune she's singing now compared to 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.080 that the issue of fracking, for example, which she addressed directly. 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:12.160 Given this debate took place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, critical swing state, 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.360 made it clear that she does not support a ban 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:15.000 on fracking. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:15.760 That's right. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.600 David Gura for Bloomberg is standing by in the spin room. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.600 We're going to connect with him in a moment. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.000 As the next phase of this operation is the spin itself, Kaylee, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:29.440 Democrats and Republicans acting as surrogates for both campaigns are 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.560 filling the spin room right now. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.200 Why don't we join David Gura. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.840 He is with Michael Wattley, the co chair of the RNC, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.040 just moments after the conclusion of this debate. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.680 David, thanks show, Michael, good to see you, and I'd 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.760 love to just start by getting your sense of how 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.760 that went and sort of what stood out to you. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.560 I know that there's some focus on policy at the beginning. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.560 In the end, what did the president former president need 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.800 to do and sort of are you happy with with 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:56.720 how he comported himself? 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.839 Right, Yeah, Look, the president needed to come out here 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.880 and tell America what he is going to do to 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.880 solve the problems that Americans are facing right now. Every 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:08.160 American family is facing things like inflation, the invasion at 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.200 the southern border, and frankly our standing in the world. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.440 And he came out very clearly and said that he 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.479 is going to stop the Southern invasion, at the border. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.520 He's going to seal the border. He said that he 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.000 is going to stop inflationary spending, unleash American energy, and 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.919 help bring down prices for every American family. And he 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.240 said that he's going to ensure that America is strong 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.200 enough to protect our interests at home and abroad, as 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.560 well as our allies across the world. We feel very 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.400 good that that's the message that he needed to deliver tonight. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:38.919 What did you make of the way he responded to 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.120 what the Vice President said repeatedly, which is it's not 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.240 time to look back, it's time to look forward. Did 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.200 he have, in your estimation a good response to that. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.240 I think he did. Look I mean, we want to 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.799 look forward. This is all about what's going to happen 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.919 after this election cycle. We're at a critical inflection point 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.520 here right now in the history of this country, and 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.159 are we going to be strong or are we going 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.120 to be weak? Under Donald Trump, we are going going 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.560 to have a strong economy, a strong southern border, and 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.040 a strong standing in the world. And under Kamala Harris, 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:06.600 the exact opposite is true. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.600 We heard a lot from the Vice president about her 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.680 tax plan, for instance, about the benefits she hopes to 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.280 get to small business owners. Was it by design that 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:14.760 we didn't get a lot of specifics from the former 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:16.640 president when it came to his tax plans, which we 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.800 saw unveiled a couple of days ago at the New 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.160 York Economic Club. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:20.440 Not at all. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.760 Look, President Trump has made it very clear he's going 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.039 to extend the Trump tax cuts. He is going to 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.080 make sure that we have no tax on tips, and 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.400 he's going to have no tax on Social Security. What 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.600 Kamala Harris has said is she is going to let 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.320 the Trump tax cuts expire, which will be the largest 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.040 tax increase on American families in the history of this country. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:38.800 So when she. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.840 Talks about the tax policies that she's rolled out there, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.080 she is going to unleash the largest tax increase on 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.400 Americans and every American family. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.960 Let me ask you about what happens in the coming days, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.040 how we kind of move things forward from here? The 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.960 James Carvill line about you know, you're focusing on districts, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.680 not on swing states themselves. What does the campaign need 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.159 to do in the coming days and we're just, you know, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.640 less than two months in till the election itself. How 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.880 does this translate into momentum going forward as you see. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.279 It, well, I think what we're going to do is 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.279 continue to go out there and talk directly to the 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.800 American voters. That's what Donald Trump did tonight, was he 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.880 delivered a message. He was not there to talk about 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.520 any particular rebuttals to Kamala Harris, but he wanted to 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.960 talk directly to the American voters about the issues that 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.200 they care about. We're going to continue to do that 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.480 for the next fifty five days. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.800 Michael, let me ask you lastly about if there will 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.080 be any more debates. Having watched this one, do you 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.520 think there needs to be more? You in favor of 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.080 there being more debates between these two cana I. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.760 Would love to have more debates. I think that it's 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.360 a good opportunity for us to have Kamala Harris try 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.039 and explain her positions. What we saw today, she's going 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.960 to double down on every single one of the failed 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.800 policies that she's championed over the course of her last 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.720 four years in the White House as well as her 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.440 terms in the Senate. Donald Trump is going to continue 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.279 to talk directly to the American voters about his vision 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.200 for making America great again, and any opportunity we have 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:56.240 to do that we want to take. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.760 Michael, thank you very much, appreciate you. It's Michael Watley, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.760 he's the chair of the Republican Notional Committee. Back to 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:01.760 you and Washington, Joe and Kayley. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.440 All right. Bloomberg's David Gura with co chair of the 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.040 RNC Michael Wattley on the spin room floor in Philadelphia. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.160 Thank you so much. As we now have the Harris 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.200 campaign as well, talking about another debate. They say the 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.240 vice president is ready Joe for a second debate. I 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:20.920 guess we'll all have to stay tuned to see if 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.600 we actually do see that in October. There is an 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.680 October first debate scheduled between the vice presidential nominee. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.000 A good reminder, so maybe a couple of weeks after that, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.280 we could find ourselves here again in primetime. Brian Fallon 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.800 from the Harris campaign tweeting that was fun. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.600 Let's do it again in October. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.120 And based on what we've just heard from mister Wattley, 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:39.560 sounds like that might happen. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:40.000 Yeah. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.600 Of course the market will be watching as it was 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.800 watching this debate tonight. Shirley, you're already starting to see 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.280 movement in the predicted betting odds of the outcome of 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.960 this election. Over the course of the debate, the line 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.640 was going higher for Vice President Harrison, lower for Donald Trump. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.880 Right now predict it showing fifty six percent odds of 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.200 a Harris victory forty eight percent odds of a Trump 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.840 one that has widened over the course of the last 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.800 several hours, and of course with us for the last 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.240 several hours watching this debate here on Bloomberg TV and 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.160 Radio as we simulcast it in real time. Rick Davis 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.480 stone Court Capital Partner and Jeanie Shanzino, political science professor 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.280 at Ioni University and senior Democracy Fellow at the Center 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.280 for the Study of the Presidency in Congress our signature 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.000 political panel. Rick, if you just look at the odds, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.920 I was mentioning, it seems that there is a feeling 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.800 that Kamala Harris won this debate, that it may make 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.760 it more likely that she wins. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:33.280 Yeah. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.839 I think if you put it in a context of 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:39.160 who was going after swing voters, you know those folks 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:45.920 in suburbs, mostly women, or the white working class, especially 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:51.080 males elderly in the Ross belt states, then you could 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.360 hear her actually reach out to them and talk to them. Clearly, 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.839 what Trump's strategy was tonight was to fire up the base. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.360 He talked to his own voters. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.600 He didn't talk, you know, anybody who would be considered 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.240 an independent or swing voter in his rhetoric. And so 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.960 maybe that was the strategy, and I think they both 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.200 pursued their strategy in effective way. I would say most 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.760 of the moments i'm you know, sort of following from 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.360 this debate or how strong Kamala. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:18.400 Harris was on national security. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.160 She used Donald Trump's own former cabinet members as a 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.360 wedge to show his weakness in this category, which I 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:30.440 thought was an interesting turn about. And Donald trump unwillingness 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.840 to say that he would veto a national abortion band, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.080 which we have not seen up until this point in time. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.880 So there was a little bit of newsmade. And I 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.840 think this will go down as a very very helpful 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.560 debate for the American people to judge very two, very 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.720 different views of America. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.960 Some people wanted more details on policy proposals tonight. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.719 I'm not sure they got a lot of. 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.000 Them, but one of the biggest questions facing Kamala Harris 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.560 tonight was is she competent? Did she project competency for 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.280 people didn't know a lot about her? 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.040 You know, I think she did. I don't think Kamala 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.760 Harris had a moment which is going to say go viral, 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:13.360 which we sort of look for in this day and age. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:20.040 But she projected strength, she projected competence. She certainly is knowledgeable. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.120 And you know, I'm thinking to the end of the 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.600 debate Donald Trump's line, why. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:27.360 Didn't she do it? 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.320 That's where his team wanted him to start the debate. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.280 He waited until the last what were we on minute 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.280 one hundred and ten by then to do that when 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.480 people are tuning out. Had he started there, he would 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.520 have had a better night. But he had a tough 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.640 night because he didn't start there. She was in control. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.160 She put him on the offensive. I mean, she put 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.960 him on the defensive rather many times throughout the debate, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.920 and he didn't seem to find his footing until the 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.040 very end. And I think if we think about moments 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.920 that define a debate, one thing that will define the 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:06.040 debate will be him talking about illegal immigrants eating pets, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:11.760 something that has clearly been he went there. It's fact 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.760 jacked it's so obviously not true, but that's what he 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.679 went to as opposed to where his team wanted him 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:24.840 to go issues economy, immigration, and the idea that she's 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.360 in office right now she could be doing all these things. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.720 So I think it was a wasted opportunity for Donald Trump, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.400 and I think she did what she needed to do 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.480 to show American people, particularly in those swing states, that 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.840 she has the competence and the ability and the strength 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:42.720 and the know how to do this job. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:44.760 And it did seem the vice president was able to 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.840 successfully go Donald Trump into responding to her directly a 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.760 few times, including when she raised his rallies. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.040 You will see during the course of his rallies he 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.880 talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter, he will talk 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.600 about wind mills cause cancer. And what you will also 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.960 notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.400 of exhaustion and boredom. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.040 She said, people start leaving. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.360 People don't go to her rallies, there's no reason to go, 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.280 and the people that do go, she's busting him in 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:16.640 and paying them to be there. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.800 Rick, did Donald Trump have to do too much defending 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.520 and responding tonight? 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.240 Well, she trolled him well on that one and frankly 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.959 many others. I mean, he did take the bait repeatedly, 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.360 which actually is the opposite of what he typically does. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.440 Usually he's the one trolling and hoping that his opponent 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.560 takes the bait. So there was a little bit of 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.400 turn about his fair play tonight on the behalf of 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.280 Kamala Harris. But I would say that I think people 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.200 will take away from this two different visions, right. I mean, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.720 you can parse the fact that there aren't very many 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.160 hardcore policy discussions that were today, But we had a 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.240 very dark, dystopian point of view from Donald Trump on 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.840 the future of the world and America's place in it, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.960 to the point where he even said in the clothes 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.200 that you know, we were headed toward to World War 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:08.360 three and nuclear weapons. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:08.600 Right. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.880 And yet on the other side of that you had 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.960 a candidate and Kamala Harris who kept talking about the 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.120 future and didn't want to go back, and it's in 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.440 her advantage to not do that, but she did an 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.840 effective job of painting a completely different, much more moderate 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.400 and rosy picture of the future of our country. And 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.720 so if people are looking at sort of the simple 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.640 aspects of you know, what is it that we believe 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.800 the current condition of our country is and where we 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.880 think it's going to had They had plenty to choose 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.600 from a very very stark contrast between the two candidates. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.080 Interesting face off on geopolitics when it came to the 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.920 matter of Ukraine. When it came to the matter of Israel, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.840 Donald Trump said Israel will not exist in two years 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:48.479 if Kamala. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.360 Harris is elected president. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.320 Harris said that Vladimir Putin would be sitting in Kiev 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.400 right now if Trump were president. 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:55.360 Are either true? 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.400 No, I mean, both of those are not true. And 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.640 you know, I think that Kamala Harris did an effective 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.720 job in terms of responding on that Israel point. But 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.400 the reality is, in both cases what we heard from 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.680 them on these geopolitical issues where you know, these sort 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:20.080 of broad statements where you didn't get any meat. You know, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.840 Kamala Harris, how are you going to end this war 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.440 in Israel? She said, We're gonna keep working on it. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.480 There was no end. Donald Trump, what are you going 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.680 to do about Ukraine? It wouldn't have happened if I 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.120 was there. So I didn't feel either one of them 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:39.640 gave really satisfactory policy responses in either of those situations. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.520 Donald Trump would not answer definitively if he wanted Ukraine 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.080 to win the war, just said that he wanted couple. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.920 Times on that that might be one of the biggest 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.520 pieces of news to come out of this debate. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.400 That just wants the wor to end. He says, we 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.480 want to go back now to the spin room floor 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.320 in Philadelphia, where we find Bloomberg's David Gura together with 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.120 the Democratic Governor of North Carolina, Roy Cooper. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.600 David, Yes, the governor of my home state, North Carolina. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.120 Governor Cooper, thank you very much. And I heard you 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.480 before this debate talking about the need for Vice President 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.200 Harris to really emphasize economic issues, and we saw that 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.160 at the beginning of the debate and the end as well. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.400 Your reaction to what you saw in the degree to 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.560 which there was engagement on the top of the economy 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.720 and specific she was very strong. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.920 She looked presidential tonight, and I think she showed to 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.240 the American people how she will be a president for 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.080 all Americans and that it's time to turn the page 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.320 on Donald Trump. She put him on the defensive on 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.000 pretty much every issue. She has a detailed plan on 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:41.640 the economy, he doesn't. She believes in protecting women's reproductive freedom. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.520 He couldn't even answer the question about what he would 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.520 do about a national abortion ban and started babbling about 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:53.520 student loans twice. On immigration, he never explained why he 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:58.440 killed the strongest immigration bill of a generation. And on 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.800 foreign policy, I thought she was very strong in showing 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.600 how many of his former military advisors and foreign policy 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.680 advisors don't believe he's capable of being president, how he 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.320 cozies up to dictators and that they can bend him 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:21.720 to their will with favoritism and with flattery. And I 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.600 believe that this is a debate tonight where Kamala Harris 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.360 shows that she has the medal to serve as commander 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.040 in chief and to lead this country governor. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.040 She's going to go to North Carolina in a couple 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.080 of days. She'll be in Charlotte and in Greensboro. She's 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.960 been to the state many times, as you know, you've 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.920 been with her for most of those visits. What does 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.960 she need to carry over from what we saw on 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.520 stage tonight to North Carolina? As you talk to your constituents, 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.640 what are they most eager to hear from her when 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:47.600 she goes through to campaign. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.680 This will be her eighteenth visit to North Carolina as 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.840 vice president. We're going to try to reach people who 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:01.280 haven't been involved in politics and really how bothered voting. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:06.239 I think she is causing excitement in those people. The 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.960 way she responded to Donald Trump's assertion about her race, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.320 about how we need to pull together as a people 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.719 and concentrate on things that bring us together instead of 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:20.840 divide us. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.000 I think that was a. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:27.600 Very strong moment for her. I also think Donald Trump 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:35.360 was incoherent and unhinged and obviously very angry because he 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.560 deserved to be defensive about all of these issues. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:40.640 Let me ask you lastly, what it's going to take 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.840 for Democrats to carry North Carolina. There's been a lot 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.600 of talk about the purpling of the state for so 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.240 long now stepping back, yes, to look at the presidential election, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.960 but others, what's it going to take to get Democrats 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.280 to win here in a couple months? 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.000 Well, I could say more votes, but obviously this is 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.960 going to be this is gonna be a binary grace. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.399 It's Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris. But it's really for 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.280 the heart and soul of our country. It's about character. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.280 I believe the people of North Carolina will see through 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:17.760 Donald Trump. Yes, North Carolina voted for him in twenty twenty, 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.440 but it was the closest win that Donald Trump had, 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.719 only one point three percent. I believe that when you 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.560 think about the plan that Kamala Harris has and the 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.080 chaos that was caused by Donald Trump during those four years, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.119 I think the choice is clear and we know that 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.280 if Kamala Harris wins North Carolina, she is the next 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:40.280 president of the United Date. 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.200 Yep, butter, thank you very much, a pleasure. It's Roy 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.040 Cooper of the state of North Carolina. And back to 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:45.320 you guys in Washington, Joe and Kayley. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.680 All Right, David Gura, with great work from the floor 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.840 of the Spin room. We thank you reporting for Bloomberg 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:52.399 on this important debate night. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:53.159 Thank you, David. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.320 With some final thoughts now from our signature panel. Rick 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.320 Davis and Genie Shanzeno are with us our signature panel 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.280 on an important night. But Kaylee, I feel like we 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:06.120 need to talk about something that's just crossed the Instatagram. Yeah, 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.879 this is maybe the most important potential endorsement of the cycle. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.000 Taylor Swift says she will be casting her vote for 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.840 Kamala Harrison Tim Walls in the twenty twenty four presidential 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.520 election because she fights for the rights and causes she 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.200 believes a warrior needs to champion them. She also says 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.399 she's done her research and made her choice or research 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.240 is all yours to do. She signs it Joe Taylor 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.000 Swift Childless cat Lady, and it is a picture of 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.040 her with her meetings around there. 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:34.800 Today I let to talk about pats Rick. Is this 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:35.520 a big deal or not? 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:36.320 Yeah? 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.040 No, this is a big deal. She obviously has an 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.600 enormous following. I can't imagine a better thing to hit 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.760 the Spin room just moments after the debate ended, when 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.200 a massive endorsement like this culturally puts her in the 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:49.879 middle of the mainstream America. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:51.520 Yeah, no, I think that. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.359 I was just going to say, now we've seen the debate, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.040 it's all about the Spin post debate, and I think 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.920 this is like a nuclear bomb for Spin. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.320 What does this mean in our thirty seconds remaining? 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.400 In our thirty seconds remaining, you know, this is a 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.680 big deal and it has been a pet night. So 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.280 Taylor Swift ends it with a cat lady comment, and 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.760 the Swifties are happy and she has an enormous pull. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.159 This is not what he wanted to hear tonight. You know, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.560 this is you know, he was worried about what might 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.680 happen in this regard. He talked about wanting her endorsement, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.560 and she went the other way. So this is the. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.439 Taylor Swift kid rock campaign. Apparently. I guess it happened 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.119 before our eyes. Rick Davis, G. D. 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.119 Schanzeno, thank you for being with us. You've been watching 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.119 special coverage of the ABC News presidential debate simulcast on 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:49.640 Bloomberg TV and radio.