WrestleMagic: Fabulous Freebirds with Sean Bush

<v Speaker 1>And now for your hosts, Michael Gross and Sean Bush.
<v Speaker 2>Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another awesome episode of
<v Speaker 2>Wrestle Magic. Tonight. We're gonna have some fun. We've got
<v Speaker 2>Sean Bush back on the show. Sean is an amazing guy.
<v Speaker 2>We become friends a long time ago, and we really
<v Speaker 2>love talking wrestling. We have a lot of fun with
<v Speaker 2>it and we talk about all kinds of different topics.
<v Speaker 2>Wressell Magic has gone through a lot of cocoon stages,
<v Speaker 2>growing into butterflies. I got to give a shout out
<v Speaker 2>to my nephew because there was a point where I
<v Speaker 2>could not record, a lot of our contributors could not record,
<v Speaker 2>and he picked up the wall and he ran with it.
<v Speaker 2>And for a while, Wrestle Magic was Russell Maverick, and
<v Speaker 2>he did a lot for us. And I just want
<v Speaker 2>to say thank you because without you, we wouldn't have
<v Speaker 2>the show anymore. So thank you very much, and thank
<v Speaker 2>you for everything that you've done, and thank you for
<v Speaker 2>booking the amazing talent that you found. And let's, you know,
<v Speaker 2>just keep going forward. Let's keep having fun. Now going
<v Speaker 2>forward today, Sean Bush, how are you doing?
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Not too bad? How about yourself?
<v Speaker 2>Not bad? You know, another day in Louisville. How many
<v Speaker 2>more storms are we going to get here today?
<v Speaker 3>Not enough? Uself a bit?
<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, I swear like it has been very very
<v Speaker 2>stormy folks. And you know, we're just gonna have some
<v Speaker 2>fun tonight and we're going to talk about one of
<v Speaker 2>the most amazing but still incredibly underrated tag teams. However,
<v Speaker 2>they're not really a tag team, and that is the
<v Speaker 2>Fabulous Freebirds. Now. I know they might be from before
<v Speaker 2>your time and you might not have understood how important
<v Speaker 2>the impact that they had on the wrestling product is.
<v Speaker 2>But the Freebirds did so much more for wrestling, and
<v Speaker 2>they're in fluence and their rules, then people could understand.
<v Speaker 2>So Sean, first you want to introduce yourself a little
<v Speaker 2>bit and talk a little bit more. I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>know we've had you on all the shows, but anything
<v Speaker 2>you want to come out and say.
<v Speaker 3>Well, in reading up a little bit about the Tandulous
<v Speaker 3>Three Birds for this, as they were a little bit
<v Speaker 3>before my time, but I caught a bunch of you know,
<v Speaker 3>hindsight retrospect going back and checking things out. But I
<v Speaker 3>was surprised to see a couple of guys that were
<v Speaker 3>apparently in it, Brad and Armstrong.
<v Speaker 2>Brad Armstrong, yes, Bad Street, right, Yep, he was Bad Street.
<v Speaker 3>I learned that I did not know that. Talk about
<v Speaker 3>underrated like a lot of those Armstrong guys. But I
<v Speaker 3>think everybody in this conversation probably is aware of that already.
<v Speaker 2>Well, some people don't really understand how great the Armstrongs
<v Speaker 2>were because the only one they know is road Dog.
<v Speaker 2>And while road Dog was amazing and he had charisma,
<v Speaker 2>the best worker, I WoT, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>The referee, I believe for years and years, uh.
<v Speaker 2>Scott and Steve Scott and Steve both, Yeah, I feel
<v Speaker 2>that they're they're the Armstrongs have never really gotten their due,
<v Speaker 2>except for the father of Bullet Bob, who is what
<v Speaker 2>I named my car after because I have a little
<v Speaker 2>silver bullet of a car and it's Bullet Bob. So
<v Speaker 2>what I want to want to go with and kind
<v Speaker 2>of like speak out on right now and talk about
<v Speaker 2>is the fact that, first of all, there's something called
<v Speaker 2>the freebird rule. Now, Sean, would you like to talk
<v Speaker 2>about the freebird rule?
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty simple. You got multiple guys that can kind
<v Speaker 3>of rotate in a tag team. My Boys Demolition had
<v Speaker 3>that going for a little bit when they had x
<v Speaker 3>Smatch and Crush. I guess Billy he was starting to
<v Speaker 3>kind of get out of the game a little bit
<v Speaker 3>at that point, the old Heavenly Bodies with Stan Lane,
<v Speaker 3>Bobby and Tom Richard, and more recently, I guess in
<v Speaker 3>WWD they've had the Biggie and Sophie and Xavier Woods. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>again underrated, I think at least as far as like
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the modern product goes. They were really
<v Speaker 3>over for longer than a lot of modern guys tend
<v Speaker 3>to stay, especially in the mid Guard and WWE.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so another team or another group that actually used
<v Speaker 2>the freebird rule was back in the nineties in ww
<v Speaker 2>the natural Born Thrillers and so yeah, they actually won
<v Speaker 2>the tag titles, but other people would defend them, so
<v Speaker 2>you never know or knew who you were going to get.
<v Speaker 2>But let's go over the list of who all was
<v Speaker 2>in the Freebirds. So I'll start first. There was Michael
<v Speaker 2>PS Hayes and if you don't know what PS stands for,
<v Speaker 2>it was purely sexy Michael Hayes.
<v Speaker 3>Buddy Roberts, Jack Roberts, I think they called him at
<v Speaker 3>least for a while.
<v Speaker 2>Bach Robertso, yeah, he was the best worker I thought.
<v Speaker 3>I think he did most of the yeah big stuff,
<v Speaker 3>the high spots and whatnot for the time.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna go with Terry Bam Bam Gordy.
<v Speaker 3>He's my favorite personally.
<v Speaker 2>Oh he's amazing. He was amazing.
<v Speaker 3>He died so young too. I think he was only
<v Speaker 3>about forty forty one years old.
<v Speaker 2>Well which time. We'll get to that in a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>But Terry Gordy died twice m hm, so it meets
<v Speaker 2>up for speculations. Some people say q's just as an
<v Speaker 2>elongated coma.
<v Speaker 3>But and uh, speaking of Bam Bam, uh No, I'm
<v Speaker 3>not going to Bigelow today at least, but his son,
<v Speaker 3>Gray Gordy, if you remember him, and some of the
<v Speaker 3>mid card under mid card WW stuff he was doing
<v Speaker 3>with oh god, what was his name at the time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Drew Gallows.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know again, you put a lot of grading
<v Speaker 3>on a curve in some of these eras and WW,
<v Speaker 3>especially me, I wasn't really watching as much at the time,
<v Speaker 3>but haven't gone back again, like a lot of stuff,
<v Speaker 3>and those things at least were entertaining enough for the
<v Speaker 3>time in WW I think, but you know, he doesn't
<v Speaker 3>get too much love Ray Gordy and actually tried to
<v Speaker 3>start a wrestling career Terry Goury's daughter.
<v Speaker 2>No way, that's interesting believe.
<v Speaker 3>So I'd have to look it up, but I think
<v Speaker 3>that he did have a daughter that was trying to
<v Speaker 3>get in a few years back. But I didn't really
<v Speaker 3>hear much after that.
<v Speaker 2>So the next Freebird I will mention, I will take
<v Speaker 2>the most obscure one out, but we're going to talk
<v Speaker 2>about him in a minute. Is Iceman King Parsons.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I think. Actually that's another one. I was
<v Speaker 3>kind of surprising. Really. He was in the free Birds.
<v Speaker 2>Well he changed the Freebirds because they had all turned.
<v Speaker 2>Michael Hayes had turned. But it was a ploy and
<v Speaker 2>so Iceman King Parsons was an African American and he
<v Speaker 2>renamed them the Blackbirds. Yeah, that's something a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people don't really pay attention to or didn't know about,
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of that is kind of like swept
<v Speaker 2>under the rug as far as how it could be
<v Speaker 2>represented today. And it was just one of those things.
<v Speaker 2>He was known as Iceman King Parsons the Blackbird, and
<v Speaker 2>they were the Blackbirds.
<v Speaker 3>What federation was that in? What? What? What promotion?
<v Speaker 2>I believe world class and global.
<v Speaker 3>Global, you're gonna have, You're gonna you're gonna have a
<v Speaker 3>lot more knowledge I think on just for that older
<v Speaker 3>stuff around the world class than I will. I know
<v Speaker 3>they had massive programs with the von Erics. Oh yes,
<v Speaker 3>anybody that worked with the von ers was, to my understanding,
<v Speaker 3>throwing the money.
<v Speaker 2>Now, can you name the last freebird?
<v Speaker 3>The last three bird? Well? Uh did you mentioned Brad?
<v Speaker 3>I guess bad streak you did that? Yeah? Uh well,
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy jam there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly one percent, my friend one. And what people didn't
<v Speaker 2>understand about the free Birds is it started out originally
<v Speaker 2>as Michael ps Hays, uh, Terry Gordy and Buddy Jack
<v Speaker 2>Roberts and they all had a role. Now if people
<v Speaker 2>don't know, Michael ps Hays could cut a promo like
<v Speaker 2>no one's business. He was a great promo man. And
<v Speaker 2>then you have Buddy Jack, who is the worker. This
<v Speaker 2>guy could bump, he could, he would come in. He
<v Speaker 2>was like your hot tag kind of guy. And then
<v Speaker 2>you have.
<v Speaker 3>Terry yeah, yeah, experience.
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately I think he was the first one to pass.
<v Speaker 2>And then you had Terry well, I mean Terry did
<v Speaker 2>to do it twice. But then he had Terry Bambam Gordy,
<v Speaker 2>who was a brawler. But he brought so so much
<v Speaker 2>fire and so much excitement and so much when he
<v Speaker 2>got in the ring and he would shake his legs
<v Speaker 2>up and down and rock his fists up and down,
<v Speaker 2>you knew that you were going to have a brawl
<v Speaker 2>right there. So whoever your territory brawler was is now
<v Speaker 2>you've got another brawler right there against you.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm going to assume that his nickname as well.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 3>assume because it's fun that it came from Bam Bam,
<v Speaker 3>like the Flintstones. I he looks like a huge baby
<v Speaker 3>just up there. This's just country strong, I guess, just
<v Speaker 3>like like you know, the Big Show, New Year's Baby,
<v Speaker 3>you know out there. But he was just so fun
<v Speaker 3>to look at. I think Berry Gordy has such a
<v Speaker 3>unique kind of look. Even for the time.
<v Speaker 2>You ever noticed you never saw a whisker on his face.
<v Speaker 3>No, a bed guy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I never even saw stubble on his face.
<v Speaker 3>I mean I never saw, you know, I never saw
<v Speaker 3>a stubble on King Kong Bundy's body anywhere. I don't
<v Speaker 3>think his head anything.
<v Speaker 2>I actually have pictures of King Kong Bundy with hair.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know you have to send me those later.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know you guys are gonna love this. But
<v Speaker 2>but basically, when we were kids, I had a mother
<v Speaker 2>who was rather overweight, and she would always ask like,
<v Speaker 2>am I fat? Am I fat? And we would always
<v Speaker 2>say no. And then my little brother one day said, honestly,
<v Speaker 2>my sister and I looked at him like, don't say anything, tim,
<v Speaker 2>and he said, you look like the bride of King
<v Speaker 2>Kong Bundy.
<v Speaker 3>Hey like that that may or may not be a compliment.
<v Speaker 3>I can tell you what the bride of King Kong
<v Speaker 3>Buddy looked.
<v Speaker 2>Like Bundy with hair. But anyway, like getting back to it,
<v Speaker 2>So the Freebirds formed and they were rivals, very famous
<v Speaker 2>rivals with the van Erics, and they were tearing up
<v Speaker 2>Dallas and when so, when I was young, I really
<v Speaker 2>thought that the Freebirds were from Dallas, But it turns
<v Speaker 2>out they had done their own theme song and they
<v Speaker 2>were from Atlanta, Georgia, now exactly, And I loved that
<v Speaker 2>theme song. Bad Street us a yeah, I'm not going
<v Speaker 2>to do it justice, folks. I'm Michael.
<v Speaker 3>We do wrestling karaoke after the show at some point.
<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael ps Gross, not Michael P. S Hayes. But
<v Speaker 2>when it when it comes down to what they did
<v Speaker 2>in the ring, the way they had their own rules,
<v Speaker 2>and how they set a precedent in wrestling, I think
<v Speaker 2>is it's it's very underrated and so there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of teams that get their flowers, but we should give
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of flowers to to definitely the fabulous
<v Speaker 2>Freebirds because they would set every city on fire. And
<v Speaker 2>is there any Freebird match that you would like to
<v Speaker 2>bring up or talk about?
<v Speaker 3>My favorite wasn't even the match so much. I love
<v Speaker 3>the Cornett story. I don't know if you've heard it
<v Speaker 3>about them against the Midnights. I believe with yeah, doctor
<v Speaker 3>Death Steve Williams on their team, I guess they Corny
<v Speaker 3>says they were kind of getting big on themselves and
<v Speaker 3>at that point and weren't bumping for him. The free
<v Speaker 3>Birds were not bumping for the Midnight whatnot. And it
<v Speaker 3>ended up basically in almost a brawl where Doctor Depth
<v Speaker 3>took a real wooden chair from the stadium and was
<v Speaker 3>bashing it over the head of Jimmy Garvin like screamings,
<v Speaker 3>F with me, F with me. It's a great story.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, obviously Corny tells it. It's a great story.
<v Speaker 3>But they had a bit of a program that I
<v Speaker 3>watched some of and WCW's YouTube channel, which has actually
<v Speaker 3>been going pretty well. Obviously, I guess WWE runs it,
<v Speaker 3>but a lot of I love it, and they were
<v Speaker 3>just was not the Great American Bash, but maybe Clash
<v Speaker 3>of Champions like eighty nine I believe on a military base.
<v Speaker 3>But they had the opening match. They had two matches.
<v Speaker 3>VAMVAM was in a match later on, but the opening
<v Speaker 3>was Michael Hayes and Jimmy Garvin against Johnny Acet and
<v Speaker 3>of your boy Shane Douglas.
<v Speaker 2>Shane Douglas. Yeah, the dudes with the attitudes.
<v Speaker 3>With attitude. Yes, it blows my mind going back having
<v Speaker 3>mostly known Johnny Ace from this time John Overnight and
<v Speaker 3>seeing him in his little days with Shane Douglas especially,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that was theirs. This isn't the first time
<v Speaker 3>I've seen him, but several years ago when I had
<v Speaker 3>gone back and saw that for the first time, it
<v Speaker 3>really blew my mind just seeing the both of them together.
<v Speaker 3>Like these guys come on little skateboards with the blonde mullets.
<v Speaker 3>Good lord.
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know half the time they couldn't skate, so
<v Speaker 2>they would just carry the skateboards. I think that's the
<v Speaker 2>funniest part. Like, all right, guys, let's phone in the
<v Speaker 2>funk here. Come on.
<v Speaker 3>I believe Johnny skateboard. I don't know about Shane Jane Douglas.
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't know about either, to be honest
<v Speaker 2>with you, but I will tell you that definitely after
<v Speaker 2>looking back at the Freebird's career. So when Jim Crockett
<v Speaker 2>Promotions wanted a hardcore sign the Road war they had
<v Speaker 2>to be run out of the territory. And so it
<v Speaker 2>was all three Freebirds, the originals, so Terry and Buddy
<v Speaker 2>Jack and Michael ps Hayes against the Road Warriors. Now
<v Speaker 2>road Warriors of course come out to Iron Man. The
<v Speaker 2>Freebirds came out with the stars and bars painted on
<v Speaker 2>their face to Freebird.
<v Speaker 3>Now.
<v Speaker 2>Something something I've heard but I don't know if it's
<v Speaker 2>true or not. Is Michael Hayes claims that they were
<v Speaker 2>the first team to come out to theme music that
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I've tried looking this SEP quite a bit.
<v Speaker 3>I've seen that there's a lot. If I remember correctly,
<v Speaker 3>there was a few things they talked about when it
<v Speaker 3>comes to the enterant music that around the same time,
<v Speaker 3>like different things, different teams would have already been using
<v Speaker 3>music as well. So it's kind of disputed. But hey,
<v Speaker 3>it's wrestling, you know, if you can't get into good
<v Speaker 3>you know, why let the truth in the way of
<v Speaker 3>a good story. He's going to say, of course, we
<v Speaker 3>were the first team to use entrance music.
<v Speaker 2>Come on, now, some things that people do not know.
<v Speaker 2>The free Birds actually wrestled in the w w F
<v Speaker 2>before it was w w E, but it was only
<v Speaker 2>for a few months and they came in they were
<v Speaker 2>starting things. But apparently they were partying out of control.
<v Speaker 3>With Andre, right, I think of the yeah, yes, and
<v Speaker 3>like in somewhere Oh gosh.
<v Speaker 2>The thing is Andre could get away with anything he
<v Speaker 2>wanted because he was Andre. He was he was an attraction.
<v Speaker 2>Where the Freebirds, you know, they thought they were bringing
<v Speaker 2>in something that was going to ignite everything on fire.
<v Speaker 2>And but the guys, the story is, so do not
<v Speaker 2>get me into like you know, slander and Liveler and
<v Speaker 2>everything else. Yeah, allegedly they were just getting they were
<v Speaker 2>getting schlitz faced all the time, and so Vince had
<v Speaker 2>enough with it. And this was this was right around
<v Speaker 2>the time Hogan was breaking big, or right before. So
<v Speaker 2>he told the boys take a walk, and so they
<v Speaker 2>went back to Dallas. And then that's when they really
<v Speaker 2>started lighting the world on fire with the Vaughan erks.
<v Speaker 3>So would something like that.
<v Speaker 2>Eighty four, I think it's eighty three eighty four, but
<v Speaker 2>it was it was a very early program in their
<v Speaker 2>lives that they went to WWF and then they realized, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>we're not built for New York yet. And then, of
<v Speaker 2>course Vince didn't like people's Southern accents, so he wanted
<v Speaker 2>the Freebirds to put a lot of people over and
<v Speaker 2>the Freebirds weren't really happy about that. So they were
<v Speaker 2>just like, heh, let's just party tonight. We'll see if
<v Speaker 2>we can work with the bulldogs tomorrow. But they were
<v Speaker 2>in no shape. In fact, they say, the only person
<v Speaker 2>from the stories I've heard that could show up and
<v Speaker 2>be ready to go was Terry Gordy. And I think
<v Speaker 2>about what some of those programs could have been because
<v Speaker 2>this could have been like beautiful, beautiful programs, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>to think about the Bulldogs versus the free Birds. It
<v Speaker 2>might exist somewhere. It might have happened in Canada, it
<v Speaker 2>might have happened somewhere else in the territory. But I've
<v Speaker 2>never seen footage like that. And so you know, they
<v Speaker 2>went back to Dallas, and then that's when they really
<v Speaker 2>just ignited the whole scene with the von Ericks. And
<v Speaker 2>it was so strange to watch some of their matches
<v Speaker 2>with Mike instead of David, just because David had passed
<v Speaker 2>around this time and Mike was really green. But they
<v Speaker 2>knew how to put the right players. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>you take Buddy Jack and you put him in the ring,
<v Speaker 2>and so Mike's young and he's green, but Buddy Jack
<v Speaker 2>could carry him and then carry comes in the big
<v Speaker 2>adonnas and so who's going to take him down? Terry
<v Speaker 2>Bambam Gordie, you know, and then Michael Hayes would be
<v Speaker 2>dancing on the apron like he always did.
<v Speaker 3>It hestually understated when you look at just the contrast there,
<v Speaker 3>I mean similar in the sense that you know, both
<v Speaker 3>teams were had that southern thing going on, but so different.
<v Speaker 3>You know, they were the bad guys looking, you know,
<v Speaker 3>compared to the Von Erics, who were seen as you know,
<v Speaker 3>despite everything going on in the background, we're seen by
<v Speaker 3>the by the crowds and the fans. It's this, you know, upstanding,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the ultimate sort of babyface brother team. It
<v Speaker 3>was a I mean, lightning in a bottle kind of situation.
<v Speaker 3>How many times does that sort of thing, you know,
<v Speaker 3>manifest in wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>It's very few and far between, to be honest with you,
<v Speaker 2>And I think you have a really good point with that, because, uh,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the USO is okay, you have a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of a lightning in a bottle, but not fully uh.
<v Speaker 2>But the Von Erics, I mean, until David died, you
<v Speaker 2>had three equal competitors, and David was the best we
<v Speaker 2>all know. And I'm not trying to do that just
<v Speaker 2>for the movie Iron Claw or anything like that. It
<v Speaker 2>just he really was the best in ring competitor.
<v Speaker 3>I know we want to get going, but have we
<v Speaker 3>talked about that on her.
<v Speaker 2>Well, we did a show before you came on about
<v Speaker 2>the Iron Claw, but if you want to talk about
<v Speaker 2>it real quick. I thought it was weird that they I.
<v Speaker 3>Really mentioned it, and it didn't bring up the Three Birds,
<v Speaker 3>did they.
<v Speaker 2>No, If they did, it was it was background characters
<v Speaker 2>and it's like passing.
<v Speaker 3>I believe. I had to go back and watch it again.
<v Speaker 3>I seen it the once since they came out, but
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a very quick passing sort of moment.
<v Speaker 2>Which was like probably the thing that kept Dallas going,
<v Speaker 2>the Dallas territory going for so long because they were
<v Speaker 2>there was so much talent there. There was so much
<v Speaker 2>talent between that feud and that feud sold out stadium
<v Speaker 2>after the stadium. I would come home from.
<v Speaker 3>Fourth Praetum multiple times I would imagine, oh.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, easily, easily. But I think there was a lot
<v Speaker 2>of respect on either side, and I think that's what really,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it wasn't about one opsmanship. I think it
<v Speaker 2>was about of about showmanship. Does that make sense?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, indeed, and like most more than secondhand you know,
<v Speaker 3>knowledge on world class sort of in the case that
<v Speaker 3>it was the kind of place that nobody was really
<v Speaker 3>making money there really except for if you were working
<v Speaker 3>with the von Erks and the von Erics themselves, and
<v Speaker 3>I mean, as far as I know, they were one
<v Speaker 3>of the longest of not the longest running to you
<v Speaker 3>that they had in world class with the von Erics
<v Speaker 3>and the free Birds, and it drew every time.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you couldn't have the von Erics without the free Birds.
<v Speaker 2>It was a perfect three on three.
<v Speaker 3>It was.
<v Speaker 2>It was basically Unfortunately, after David's death and Mike came
<v Speaker 2>in and Mike he was still you know, green, it wasn't.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't as good anymore. It wasn't. And I hate
<v Speaker 2>to say that because I'm not speaking ill of the dead.
<v Speaker 2>It was just it was a different program to put
<v Speaker 2>somebody in who wasn't ready for the role. But watching
<v Speaker 2>them was awesome. Now also in this Dallas territory, Jimmy
<v Speaker 2>jam Garvin, that was the first time he started tagging
<v Speaker 2>up with them and he started becoming a freebird. And
<v Speaker 2>then they had the exile of Michael purely sexy Hayes.
<v Speaker 2>So he's getting kicked out, but he's being replaced by
<v Speaker 2>the blackbird. Iceman King Parsons. Now, if you folks don't
<v Speaker 2>know who, Iceman King Parsons was great wrestler, great wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>He could sell and bump like no one's business, and
<v Speaker 2>he had talent. He had charisma. He was perfect for
<v Speaker 2>that role. And I think it was to gather more
<v Speaker 2>heat because they really wanted to build it up for
<v Speaker 2>when they turned on Iceman.
<v Speaker 3>Gordy was going to cut Michael's hair, right, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it was a hair versus hair match Gordy and Gordy
<v Speaker 3>and Hayes and Gordy beat him and was about to
<v Speaker 3>cut his hair, but turned on Parsons.
<v Speaker 2>Well. He used to have a famous saying, Iceman King
<v Speaker 2>Parsons had a famous saying and I can't remember right now,
<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna kick me in the brain. But it
<v Speaker 2>was just like you can't trust or something like. It
<v Speaker 2>was like a brother knows or I don't know it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was a really cool.
<v Speaker 1>Saying, like Mama says, it bees that way.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes there you go, Jimmy, there you go, like Mama says,
<v Speaker 2>it bes that way. Sometimes yes, Oh my gosh, thank
<v Speaker 2>you for chiming in.
<v Speaker 1>Very welcome.
<v Speaker 2>That was an infamous saying or famous saying. I honestly,
<v Speaker 2>I put it as a famous not infamous saying when
<v Speaker 2>you talk about like a one liner that comes out
<v Speaker 2>of a wrestler's mouth, and so Parsons when he was
<v Speaker 2>part of it, and he replaced Michael Hayes Parsons like
<v Speaker 2>he could work. He could really really work. I mean
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't Bobby Eaton or Stan Lane, okay, but he
<v Speaker 2>could really really work and he could sell. And so
<v Speaker 2>I loved like, We're the Blackbirds.
<v Speaker 3>Now.
<v Speaker 2>Now, I don't know if this is true, so it's alleged,
<v Speaker 2>but I've read a couple allegedly, yeah, that from different websites.
<v Speaker 2>I've read that he got the idea for the name
<v Speaker 2>from the Crows in the movie The Whiz See. I've
<v Speaker 2>seen two different two different websites I have said that.
<v Speaker 2>But if it's not true, I don't want to say
<v Speaker 2>the names of those websites. But looking back the way
<v Speaker 2>they acted when they were the Blackbirds, I'm like, I
<v Speaker 2>can see it, okay, But I just think that he
<v Speaker 2>was taking them in a different direction, and I loved it.
<v Speaker 2>I really really loved it. So I'm a little kid.
<v Speaker 2>I've got my little wrestling encyclopedia, okay, And so I
<v Speaker 2>only get to see the Freebirds maybe for five or
<v Speaker 2>six minutes when I come home at four o'clock before
<v Speaker 2>it hits five and wrestling's over on the AWA or
<v Speaker 2>WCCW channel, and my favorite thing to do was watch
<v Speaker 2>Jim Crockett promotions six oh five Live, and I loved
<v Speaker 2>six oh five Live. And one day I'm watching it
<v Speaker 2>and they're playing who did the song? Oh yeah, ooh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>cool cool kitty, just like the Boy from New York City,
<v Speaker 2>The Boys are back in town, and they were playing
<v Speaker 2>the Boys are back in Town, and then all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden they started showing the Freebirds and they're like
<v Speaker 2>coming soon, the free Words, and I was just like, wow,
<v Speaker 2>we got a two hour show I can watch on
<v Speaker 2>Saturday at six o'clock versus a one hour show, and
<v Speaker 2>I get to see the Freebirds. And so the first
<v Speaker 2>big thing they came out, they cut promos, but they
<v Speaker 2>weren't doing anything. And it was when Ron Garvin beat
<v Speaker 2>Rick Flair in a steel cage for the title in
<v Speaker 2>eighty six eighty seven. Michael Hayes was in there and
<v Speaker 2>he was doing his little dute on his fingers and like,
<v Speaker 2>give him a fist bump. I don't think I ever
<v Speaker 2>saw a fist bump before that, but if you go
<v Speaker 2>back and look, Michael Hayes was doing that. I think
<v Speaker 2>Michael Hayes invented the fist bump. Probably not, but I'm
<v Speaker 2>sticking to and that was it was great. And then
<v Speaker 2>the Freebirds came in on the scene, and of course
<v Speaker 2>Michael Hayes wants to challenged you know, Rick Flair, but
<v Speaker 2>people didn't have interest in that, which was kind of sad.
<v Speaker 2>I think it could have filled some seats, but looking back,
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have been a stellar match. And then Buddy
<v Speaker 2>Jack and Terry Gordy were doing their thing, and the
<v Speaker 2>tag team wrestling at that point was just so great.
<v Speaker 2>People ask me why I love tag team wrestling so much.
<v Speaker 2>It's because it was fun and back then you had
<v Speaker 2>true tag teams. It wasn't Who's going to be the
<v Speaker 2>breakout star, and we had so much fun watching them
<v Speaker 2>so much.
<v Speaker 3>You mentioned that, and I've got they had an episode
<v Speaker 3>of Collision aw tonight watched that. I'll get that playing
<v Speaker 3>in the background. But they got a little program right
<v Speaker 3>now going promos with FTR and that we talked about
<v Speaker 3>the Outrunners. So these two guys that are two teams
<v Speaker 3>that are basically not ripping off, but their homages to
<v Speaker 3>eighties tag team rustle in the best ways possible. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, if you've watched the Outrunners that much. But
<v Speaker 3>they're very fun. But they're both hitting that eighties tag
<v Speaker 3>team like button as hard as they can, as many
<v Speaker 3>times as they can.
<v Speaker 2>But that's when tag teams were tag teams, and that's
<v Speaker 2>when you we really loved watching these tag teams and
<v Speaker 2>that's why the Freebirds had such an impact on wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we had the discussion the last podcast about
<v Speaker 3>the Fantasy Crockett Cup. I mean, just boil it down
<v Speaker 3>to sixteen teams. You know, if you could have easily
<v Speaker 3>picked a lot of other teams from that era that
<v Speaker 3>would have made it in and been just fine over
<v Speaker 3>some of these even newer teams, like as great as
<v Speaker 3>the run that the three teams in WWE had, the Hardy's,
<v Speaker 3>Dudley's and edgend Christian. You know, it was great for
<v Speaker 3>a series of matches over a couple of years. But
<v Speaker 3>the volume and just sheer amount of city and tag
<v Speaker 3>team wrestling in that era is really I mean, it's
<v Speaker 3>it's not been close ever since. I mean, in tag
<v Speaker 3>team wrestling right now, in a lot of respect is
<v Speaker 3>worse than it's probably ever been I think, with some exceptions.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, those two teams I just mentioned in a
<v Speaker 3>w or I love watching them and speaking of another
<v Speaker 3>another group that would fit into the freebirg rule right now.
<v Speaker 3>Also in AW is Christian Cage's patriarchy. They had a
<v Speaker 3>master night as well with Kate with Christian and Buddy
<v Speaker 3>Wayne's son Nick Wayne, for he's now Christian son, So
<v Speaker 3>poor dead Buddy Wayne no longer has a son because
<v Speaker 3>Christian Cage adopted him. I guess said, Uh, they swap
<v Speaker 3>in with Oh goodness was the other guy's name. It'll
<v Speaker 3>come back on in a few minutes. Oh the kill switch,
<v Speaker 3>Well he's not back yet. He's still been out for
<v Speaker 3>a while. Lucasaurus has don't give me this kill switch
<v Speaker 3>his slave name over here for crying out loud. But
<v Speaker 3>in either case, you know, that's that's another example of
<v Speaker 3>this rebird rule that, like you said earlier, it really
<v Speaker 3>I think at the time it might have like ruffled
<v Speaker 3>to some feathers, but like a lot of things, you
<v Speaker 3>ended up looking back on it and it opens up
<v Speaker 3>a lot of possibilities for booking, covering up things like
<v Speaker 3>Hayes not really being that great of a worker, because
<v Speaker 3>to my estimation he never was great talker, great promo.
<v Speaker 3>But when you've got him, we can you know, swap
<v Speaker 3>in and out sometimes with a with a Bam bam
<v Speaker 3>with Jimmy Garvin, with a Buddy Roberts. You know, it's
<v Speaker 3>very it's a very powerful tool in the booker's you know,
<v Speaker 3>you know, catalog views.
<v Speaker 2>So the interesting part is when they came to JCP
<v Speaker 2>the old NWA before was w CW. They were doing
<v Speaker 2>some great work. They were causing some little stirs here
<v Speaker 2>and there, and then I think Buddy Jack got sick
<v Speaker 2>at that point and he kind of disappeared. And then
<v Speaker 2>Terry had a lot of offers because he's so big,
<v Speaker 2>and he was so strong, and he was a tough
<v Speaker 2>guy to work more in Japan.
<v Speaker 3>Japan. Yeah, and so you look at him especially then,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's the epitome of a you know, I
<v Speaker 3>guess a guy Jean, you know, coming over, you know,
<v Speaker 3>from the States to Japan. I am planning on trying
<v Speaker 3>to find more of those matches if I can to
<v Speaker 3>watch here in the near future, because I thought they
<v Speaker 3>were fun as hell.
<v Speaker 2>Well, another show I want to do with you, Sean
<v Speaker 2>is about MVC, but I'm about to mention them, so
<v Speaker 2>What ends up happening is Buddy Jack gets sick, I
<v Speaker 2>think prematurely. I don't know. I don't know for a fact.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there, but I can tell you that that,
<v Speaker 2>like all of a sudden, he just kind of disappeared.
<v Speaker 2>So Jimmy Garvin is there, and so he rejoins, and
<v Speaker 2>so Jimmy jam is back with with Michael Hayes. But
<v Speaker 2>Terry Gordon, he is making so much money on japan
<v Speaker 2>tours and being like the perfect giant guid gin tough guy.
<v Speaker 2>He forms a new tag team with Steve doctor Death Williams,
<v Speaker 2>known as the Miracle Violence Connection. Perfect name, and a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people, a lot of historians, a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people who are actually worked in the industry, they will
<v Speaker 2>tell you it was true. It was a miracle that
<v Speaker 2>it worked out, and they were violent, and they were
<v Speaker 2>a connection, and they were good friends until they both parted.
<v Speaker 3>You know. I wonder, just as an aside, it's a
<v Speaker 3>great name. Yes, it's got such an era like Japanese
<v Speaker 3>wrestling too, like the miracle part of it, it doesn't
<v Speaker 3>seem like something I would be interested to know who
<v Speaker 3>came up with. I suspect maybe somebody there and uh,
<v Speaker 3>I forget which promotion they were in, uh, primarily in Japan,
<v Speaker 3>but whichever promotion that was.
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, you you know it had to be you.
<v Speaker 3>Know, I'm this is such a Japanese description.
<v Speaker 2>For exactly exactly. It would be like Miracle or the
<v Speaker 2>Gift Japanese like the Gift Violence get like what or
<v Speaker 2>or it's it's a great and folks, if you have
<v Speaker 2>never watched the NBC the Miracle Violent Connection, these guys
<v Speaker 2>were legit and they they would brawl. They had some
<v Speaker 2>great matches them and the Steiners, them in the Road
<v Speaker 2>Warriors and anybody they wrestled in Japan. It was just
<v Speaker 2>brutal fun.
<v Speaker 3>The only thing they would have been missing, especially in Japan,
<v Speaker 3>would have been like Stan Hansen being their manager or something.
<v Speaker 2>I think he was still wrestling at that point. He's
<v Speaker 2>he's gotta, you know, Larryot, some one's eyeball out first.
<v Speaker 2>So this is what's going on with the timeline of
<v Speaker 2>the Free Birds. Okay, So Jimmy jam is now reuniting
<v Speaker 2>with with Michael ps Hayes and Buddy Jack. He's definitely
<v Speaker 2>his health has taken an issue, and Terry Gordy's gone
<v Speaker 2>on to different pastures, but he was still wrestling in WCW,
<v Speaker 2>and I believe Terry Gordy and Doctor Death they took
<v Speaker 2>the titles off somebody and they were WW Tag Team Champions.
<v Speaker 2>They continued there all Japan. Thing I want to say,
<v Speaker 2>from like ninety one to ninety three, I believe that
<v Speaker 2>the Freebirds were simply known as Michael Hayes and Jimmy Jamcarbon.
<v Speaker 2>The interest was losing, it was kind of waning. Without
<v Speaker 2>Buddy Jack and Terry Gordy, it wasn't the same and
<v Speaker 2>Freebird rule couldn't exist with only two people, So things
<v Speaker 2>were just kind of getting shaky and rocky. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>would you agree.
<v Speaker 3>Sure, yeah, you lose a little bit of that shine
<v Speaker 3>that you had for a long time. But and Frankly,
<v Speaker 3>at that point, Jimmy Garvin I would imagine to be
<v Speaker 3>getting close to at least winding down. I know he
<v Speaker 3>was a bit older as well Aslutely and Cornett talked
<v Speaker 3>about it. That's probably where I know most of my
<v Speaker 3>information about the free Birds, just you know, based on
<v Speaker 3>osmosis from years and years of that, and I believe
<v Speaker 3>I remember him talking about a similar situation in that era.
<v Speaker 3>You got Michael Hayes, who was never a great worker
<v Speaker 3>who is now a primary worker, and an aging Jimmy
<v Speaker 3>Garvin who was a great worker in his younger days
<v Speaker 3>but at that point probably was getting into his forties,
<v Speaker 3>and as far as I know, it really kind of
<v Speaker 3>dropped off fairly quickly, allegedly don't come after me, Jimmy
<v Speaker 3>jam please yeah, or Precious, don't stick no, don't.
<v Speaker 2>Don't no, not Precious, not Precious. It was a transitional
<v Speaker 2>period in wrestling because at this point, like a lot
<v Speaker 2>of the great tag teams of the eighties were starting
<v Speaker 2>to get a little along in the twoth I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I get that the Samoan Swat team was it was
<v Speaker 2>Rakishi and uh tonk Kid I believe that too. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And like the Midnights were putting them over every night.
<v Speaker 2>Like there. It was a different era when ww bought
<v Speaker 2>out of the NWA, it was it was just a
<v Speaker 2>different it was a different night and day for tag
<v Speaker 2>team wrestling and things like that. So at this point
<v Speaker 2>the Freebirds were kind of, I don't know, rolling up
<v Speaker 2>their sleeves and saying, all right, it's time to do
<v Speaker 2>the dishes and time to scrub the toilet. And say, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know, at this point, maybe wrestling is not for us.
<v Speaker 3>Hay scrubbing the toilet, by the way, that would be
<v Speaker 3>a hell of a visual.
<v Speaker 2>That would be kind of funny doc Hendricks here in
<v Speaker 2>the men's room. So that's that's where I'm going next
<v Speaker 2>with this. Is all of a sudden, I started seeing
<v Speaker 2>old w CW stars show up on ww E Slash WWF.
<v Speaker 2>First thing I saw was an interviewer named stan Lane,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, you're way too talented still and you're
<v Speaker 2>still young to be an interviewer. And I think I
<v Speaker 2>only saw him for like two months and then stan
<v Speaker 2>Lane disappeared. I think they're still looking for sitting there.
<v Speaker 3>He's doing, as far as I know, like motor boat racing,
<v Speaker 3>like like want a Speed Network or something like that.
<v Speaker 3>He was doing commentary for like motor boat racing.
<v Speaker 2>That's That's like when I saw a former NBA center
<v Speaker 2>Brad Doherty doing a NASCAR analyst and it's like, what,
<v Speaker 2>this doesn't make sense because Brad, I just can't imagine
<v Speaker 2>Brad Doherty, like I like, I just didn't see it. Like,
<v Speaker 2>but people look at me. I mean, you you know me,
<v Speaker 2>you've met me. In personal life, and I always wear
<v Speaker 2>a dress shirt and things like that. Someone sees me
<v Speaker 2>in a T shirt and they're like, you just don't
<v Speaker 2>look the same. I just you know, it's just whatever.
<v Speaker 2>But so getting down to it. Next thing, I know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching WWF before it was WWE. I always have
<v Speaker 2>to say something like that, and I see Michael Michael
<v Speaker 2>Hayes and he's an announcer like it like he took
<v Speaker 2>Stan Lane's boy, and.
<v Speaker 3>Uh, it's the old rivalry popping up again.
<v Speaker 2>Man, no joke, no joke, right, And so I was
<v Speaker 2>just like, Wow, this is weird. And he's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm Doc Hendrix. And I hated that w w E
<v Speaker 2>used to do that back in the day, always renamed.
<v Speaker 3>Doc Hendricks handsome Doc.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right, because he was no longer purely
<v Speaker 2>sexy and it's just handsome.
<v Speaker 3>He got the motive from purely sexy to handsome. But
<v Speaker 3>we could be so lucky.
<v Speaker 2>All these territories. I know that at this point Vince
<v Speaker 2>had put all the territories out of business. But it's
<v Speaker 2>just the fact that everybody knows who he is. Everybody
<v Speaker 2>saw him like six months ago. Just say he's Michael Hayes,
<v Speaker 2>that's all you had to do.
<v Speaker 3>It's one of the things that I do agree. I
<v Speaker 3>hate that about WWF these days, especially again an old
<v Speaker 3>story about Vader coming in and he wanted to he's
<v Speaker 3>a big Raftodon. They wanted to name them the Master
<v Speaker 3>or something like that, and Jim Cornet's got to tell
<v Speaker 3>him it's frigging Vader. Everybody knows who Vader is, you know,
<v Speaker 3>must we do this like it? It does kill me.
<v Speaker 3>I mean I get why they do it, but it's
<v Speaker 3>a very cynical, you know, corporate thing for the most part.
<v Speaker 3>Plus these newer names, I don't know if you've seen
<v Speaker 3>those lists that have been going around for like the
<v Speaker 3>trademark names are very horrible.
<v Speaker 2>Well remember Michael McGillicutty.
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's a good one. I think that's I
<v Speaker 3>mean McGillicutty, it's fun to say, you know mcgillo cutty.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that I pulled it up real quick just because
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see it. Like Draco knock Jack Pristley. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'm not getting some of the Hayes Jamison kind of
<v Speaker 3>could work like h A. Z. E makes. They work
<v Speaker 3>with some tweaks, but most of the time, it's just yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm surprised they you know, I mean, at
<v Speaker 3>least maybe it's a triple H thing, which he has
<v Speaker 3>his own issues, but that's for another discussion, but at
<v Speaker 3>least they kept pentzas and when it go on, he's
<v Speaker 3>had a few different names over the years, but instead
<v Speaker 3>of changing his whole gammick up recognizing that that's kind
<v Speaker 3>of the point with a lot of these characters, and
<v Speaker 3>maybe that's to some extent going away for established stars hopefully.
<v Speaker 2>I hope so too. But anyway, so the play of
<v Speaker 2>the Free Birds went into a situation where Michael Hayes
<v Speaker 2>was now working as a commentator and backstage for w
<v Speaker 2>w E, and his big thing was.
<v Speaker 3>As far as I know, he's always had a good
<v Speaker 3>reputation as a as a an agent, right, a producer
<v Speaker 3>or what are they call on these days.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, producer, agent, coach. I guess it's all the
<v Speaker 2>same thing. And he worked in I guess some level
<v Speaker 2>of talent, you know, relations things like that, like anything
<v Speaker 2>that you know, kind of like just solved problems, except
<v Speaker 2>he did kind of make X POC bad. And apparently
<v Speaker 2>the story is when they had what was called the
<v Speaker 2>plane ride from Hell. He was passed out, and the
<v Speaker 2>story is xpot cut is his mullet off, and Michael
<v Speaker 2>Hayes without a mullet is just nothing.
<v Speaker 3>I would still want to see that picture though, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I guess a little bit. Honestly, you know, that's the
<v Speaker 3>funniest part of that entire story, especially now looking back
<v Speaker 3>on it with the dark side of the ring and everything,
<v Speaker 3>and just as bad as a lot of the rest
<v Speaker 3>of it was Rick Flair's stuff whatnot, even Dustin Rhodes,
<v Speaker 3>who thankfully it seems, has gotten his whole you know,
<v Speaker 3>life back on track after really being in a dark
<v Speaker 3>place around that time, which I love to see. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>but that part of it you can actually kind of
<v Speaker 3>laugh at it. Yes, X pot cutting Michael Hayes's mullet
<v Speaker 3>is definitely the best thing that happened on that well.
<v Speaker 2>To me, the whole thing was like that means like
<v Speaker 2>he was good at talent relations, but obviously some people
<v Speaker 2>had a problem or they just partied way too much
<v Speaker 2>and they just did not care what they were doing.
<v Speaker 2>And we don't know, we'll never be there. We were
<v Speaker 2>never there. I remember hearing about.
<v Speaker 3>It, Waltman. I think Waltman would admit that he was
<v Speaker 3>probably bullyinged off something, and he's been pretty open about
<v Speaker 3>his troubles back and during that period of time.
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right. I think I think he definitely did.
<v Speaker 2>But I mean getting back to the Free Words, and
<v Speaker 2>what's important is so there was a lot of unfortunate
<v Speaker 2>circumstances that happened. So I mean Buddy Jack dies and that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, really killed the Free Words. Now in between
<v Speaker 2>some stuff we didn't talk about, is like when they
<v Speaker 2>were trying to build it back to a three man
<v Speaker 2>team in WCW. Let me rewind a couple of minutes.
<v Speaker 2>They brought in Brad Armstrong, who was one of the
<v Speaker 2>most talented workers in the world. And we've talked about this,
<v Speaker 2>but they always said that he had no personality Rizz. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he had no riz and uh so he wrestled his
<v Speaker 2>bad street. They didn't like it. They're like, no, we're
<v Speaker 2>just going back to a two man team. It's just
<v Speaker 2>you and Jimmy jam and. Uh So, Unfortunately, out of
<v Speaker 2>the six people, I believe it was six people who
<v Speaker 2>were freebirds, three or dead and three or alive.
<v Speaker 3>Right before Gordy died, I believe they it was him,
<v Speaker 3>and I guess Michael Hayes had a match with the
<v Speaker 3>young Hardy Boys. Well I would have been about two thousand,
<v Speaker 3>I guess, so maybe not that young, but still fairly young,
<v Speaker 3>but they'd been established a little bit at that point.
<v Speaker 2>Now, I'll tell you one of my my favorite Michael
<v Speaker 2>Hayes moments is he comes out to interview the Hardy
<v Speaker 2>Boys and he's like, yeah, this is Doc Hendricks here
<v Speaker 2>and everything, and then like either Mat or Jeff was like, dude,
<v Speaker 2>you're Michael P. S. Hayes. And he just stopped being
<v Speaker 2>Doc Hendrix at that day, which is the dumbest name.
<v Speaker 3>And started wearing junko jeans or whatever, oh my shirts,
<v Speaker 3>which was in the amazing look for him, Mike, if
<v Speaker 3>he ever heard this, that was an amazing look for you. Ye, dude,
<v Speaker 3>it was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing.
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember how well he wrestled though, when he
<v Speaker 2>was with the Hardies going against the brood.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'd have to go back and watch some of
<v Speaker 3>those matches, but he did. He's one of those guys
<v Speaker 3>that just late bloomer as far as the worker goes.
<v Speaker 2>He was trying to keep up with them. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't doing Swan Tom's off of a ladder or anything,
<v Speaker 2>but he was keeping up. He was fast, and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, you got to be kidding me. This is
<v Speaker 2>Michael Hayes. I'm used to you going do Dute dute
<v Speaker 2>and walking down like the side of the ring, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, being the person to like hype up into
<v Speaker 2>the camera before you got a tag. And I was
<v Speaker 2>just like, I was really blown away that he worked
<v Speaker 2>the way he worked in the nineties and folks just
<v Speaker 2>look up the Hardy Boys and Michael Hayes versus the
<v Speaker 2>Brood and you're going to be blown away by all
<v Speaker 2>the work that they did. It was just such great work.
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't see it happening. I didn't know it
<v Speaker 2>was going to happen like that. I really thought it
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be a bottle of a match or like
<v Speaker 2>someone would come in like Christian would kick out Michael
<v Speaker 2>Hayes's leg and pin him real fast. Now they actually
<v Speaker 2>had real matches, and I was like, this cannot be
<v Speaker 2>the same people, well the same person so okay, Terry
<v Speaker 2>Bambam Gordy passed away twice or depending on what you
<v Speaker 2>read or listen, to he passed away once and he
<v Speaker 2>was in a coma once. Terry at one point was
<v Speaker 2>one of the best brawlers that you would ever see.
<v Speaker 2>He was amazing. He had skills that no one could
<v Speaker 2>even understand. He was Terry Bambam Gordy. But they said
<v Speaker 2>after like an incident where he flew from Japan back
<v Speaker 2>to America, that either he died on the flight or
<v Speaker 2>he had gone into a coma and he was never
<v Speaker 2>the same.
<v Speaker 3>I believe, which caused the heart of that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're probably right, You're probably right. And if you
<v Speaker 2>never saw Bam Bam in his prime, he was so amazing.
<v Speaker 2>He was so amazing. So he had one last stint
<v Speaker 2>in WWF where they made him the executioner and he
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be Mankind's friend and they had him
<v Speaker 2>under a mask and everything, but you could just tell
<v Speaker 2>when he was wrestling it just wasn't the same. It
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't the same Bam Bam. And then he didn't
<v Speaker 2>live much after that, and.
<v Speaker 3>You know something like that, I believe he's won't pass away.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Brad Armstrong, Buddy Jack, and Terry, they all
<v Speaker 2>passed away. Brad was one heck of a performer, and
<v Speaker 2>they just stuck in with this gimmick that you're this
<v Speaker 2>mass man named Bad Street, and it was just terrible,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so the three of that are alive, obviously,
<v Speaker 2>Michael Purely Sexy Hayes, Jimmy Jamcarvin, Iceman.
<v Speaker 3>King Parsons are still going.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, he's still alive. I think he's like close
<v Speaker 2>to eighty or something like that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it must be. I mean he was at the
<v Speaker 3>age on a lot of those guys still. I was
<v Speaker 3>gonna say Michael Hayes as well, if he remember on
<v Speaker 3>the Gimmick Battle Royal from WrestleMania X seven. Oh, the
<v Speaker 3>gimmicks out and one of them was Michael Hayes, and
<v Speaker 3>I think he must have I don't know if he
<v Speaker 3>just didn't have any tights anything like that, I guess,
<v Speaker 3>but he'd just come out, I remember in a black
<v Speaker 3>shirt and like black I guess, athletic pants. But he
<v Speaker 3>had his kid editor flag like sparkly robe, coming out
<v Speaker 3>doing a little dance with the hands, you know, dear Lord.
<v Speaker 3>Probably right after he probably passed up Iron Chic on
<v Speaker 3>his way down to the entrance ramp. Do you remember
<v Speaker 3>watching that by any chance?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, didn't Baby win it.
<v Speaker 3>He did, and I think the reason given was that
<v Speaker 3>he probably the only one of the guys that couldn't
<v Speaker 3>taken over the rope bump so like, and the rumor
<v Speaker 3>there was that he the he lost, like broke his
<v Speaker 3>belt before the match and was out there trying to
<v Speaker 3>keep his pants up half the time. God love your baby, I.
<v Speaker 2>Mean, rest rest in heaven, my friend, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>there's very few that would mess with him. And I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I ever tell you about this, but
<v Speaker 2>my brother wrestled with him on the Ohio Independence once
<v Speaker 2>and those batons that he would swear sirrel.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, my brothers ridiculously heavy, and.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, he's like, no, that guy is hardcore.
<v Speaker 3>That guy's hard I mean you go back and look
<v Speaker 3>at the Sheik like in his prime, I mean, he
<v Speaker 3>was an incredible shape, was the world class wrestler, you know,
<v Speaker 3>representing Iran and everything.
<v Speaker 2>Only he was the second only second only talk.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean he was serious that that was a
<v Speaker 3>shorter run, but something that worked. And obviously you know
<v Speaker 3>character and this Sheiky baby himself like just having another life,
<v Speaker 3>you know, years after the fact, but he was incredible,
<v Speaker 3>did for a brief period there.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you a funny story. My friend Tony back
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties when the attitude Ara was hot and everything,
<v Speaker 2>and I'll preface this, I did not like the Jerry
<v Speaker 2>Springer show. I don't hear that well. So every time
<v Speaker 2>someone's talking you hear beep. I'm like, Okay, this is stupid,
<v Speaker 2>Like I can't deal with that, all right, and plus
<v Speaker 2>it was garbage tebe right, and uh So I went
<v Speaker 2>over to my friend Tony's house and he was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>watch Springer today, and this lady she brought her boyfriend
<v Speaker 2>and he was just mad and it was all about wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, who was it? He was like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>was the Iron Chic? And all he would talk about
<v Speaker 2>is how much he hated Hogan and everything was like
<v Speaker 2>a beep, And I was like, thing.
<v Speaker 3>About the sheet. He was right about Hogan all along.
<v Speaker 3>We should have we should have listened to you.
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, and some of the like I
<v Speaker 2>haven't met as many professional wrestlers as our producer Jimmy has,
<v Speaker 2>but I've met quite a few and a week talked
<v Speaker 2>and they always say like, yeah, you don't mess with shiky, baby,
<v Speaker 2>you don't talk bad about shiky baby, and when he
<v Speaker 2>says he'll make you humble, he'll make you humble. So anyway,
<v Speaker 2>the way the free Birds ended up was Terry Gordy
<v Speaker 2>ended up dying unfortunately, passing away after his stint is
<v Speaker 2>the executioner.
<v Speaker 3>He was forty. I looked at him a few minutes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gosh, I'd be dead by now. And Buddy Jack
<v Speaker 2>of course died young. And then you know, Brad Armstrong
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately passed young too. And Brad Armstrong, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>was incredibly talented. So you look at who's left. Jimmy
<v Speaker 2>jam was inducted. He was inducted to the Hall of
<v Speaker 2>Fame with with Michael Hayes when they sound Bad Street
<v Speaker 2>USA again and walk through the crowd, and it was
<v Speaker 2>great and everything, But I am kind of I don't
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to know your feeling about this. Why
<v Speaker 2>didn't they put in Iceman King Parsons.
<v Speaker 3>I can't speak as to like how long that went
<v Speaker 3>on and that was in Was that in World Class
<v Speaker 3>or Crocket? In either case, it's probably not that surprising
<v Speaker 3>that somebody that wasn't as known in you know, WWE
<v Speaker 3>World wouldn't also be a part of that and maybe,
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you want to get technical about it,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, maybe they would consider it specifically a different faction,
<v Speaker 3>the blackbirds when he was with them and said he
<v Speaker 3>doesn't really add to the free birds quote unquote lineage
<v Speaker 3>it was advocate.
<v Speaker 2>There, No, no, I get that on the Devil's Advocate.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously you weren't a freebird, you were a blackbird. But
<v Speaker 2>it was fun to watch. It was fun to watch,
<v Speaker 2>like rewatch, and you have to dig on YouTube and
<v Speaker 2>Daily Motion and stuff like that find it because a
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff that's been taken off because it's considered
<v Speaker 2>you know, I.
<v Speaker 3>Remember it is the WWE Hall of Fame. I love
<v Speaker 3>Drew Carrey, but Drew Krrey is in ww Hall of Fame.
<v Speaker 3>No shade, but the Bellas are the Bella Twins and okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So my feeling is, if I could rewind time, I
<v Speaker 2>would put the free Birds against Demolition. I would say,
<v Speaker 2>it'd have to be like eighty eighty seven, eighty seven,
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, three on three, and I would just watch it.
<v Speaker 2>I would just because I think that the story to
<v Speaker 2>be told. You have, you know Ax who's winding down
<v Speaker 2>his career. You have you know Smash, who was very
<v Speaker 2>darce So who was just amazing, and he you know,
<v Speaker 2>he came up with all this Minnesota boys, and then
<v Speaker 2>you have Crush, who's big and young. The way you
<v Speaker 2>could match up, the way you could tell that story
<v Speaker 2>would be probably and especially if they did what they
<v Speaker 2>did against the Road Warriors where they came out with
<v Speaker 2>the Confederate on it, because it was supposedly a New
<v Speaker 2>York based territory demolition versus the Freebirds, that's probably the
<v Speaker 2>one of the most ultimate matches we've never gotten in
<v Speaker 2>our lives.
<v Speaker 3>I would love to see that any demolition one of
<v Speaker 3>my one of my boy tag teams. So I think
<v Speaker 3>I'd be on their side here. I'd be cheering for
<v Speaker 3>the demolition to go over.
<v Speaker 2>I probably because I watched Free Birds first. I have
<v Speaker 2>to go with them. But you think, like, who's.
<v Speaker 3>Who's working heal on that one. Is it going to
<v Speaker 3>be Theirs or.
<v Speaker 2>The Free Birds? Because if Vince McMahon's bringing him in
<v Speaker 2>and he's going against a face painted tag team, he's
<v Speaker 2>going to rip off what they did with the Road
<v Speaker 2>Warriors when they left the aw A. So he's going
<v Speaker 2>to put them in stars and bars and you're going
<v Speaker 2>to be in the North, so everybody's going to be
<v Speaker 2>just no, no, no, no, you know that good thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And so you know Michael Hayes works with Bill Eady
<v Speaker 2>or Axe, okay, and then Smash is gonna work with
<v Speaker 2>Buddy Jack and then Crush is gonna work with Terry
<v Speaker 2>and it's a perfect matchup. It's a perfect married matchup
<v Speaker 2>for wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>Book it, book it right. Well, anyway, that's good in
<v Speaker 3>fantasy face. So that that would have been something to
<v Speaker 3>add to the Crockett Cup a little bit last week too,
<v Speaker 3>he said, I have to go back and look. I
<v Speaker 3>think I had the Three brod I know I had
<v Speaker 3>Demolition in there because I wanted that Demolition versus a
<v Speaker 3>Road Warriors matchup. I can't remember now if I had
<v Speaker 3>the Three Birds Animal.
<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, we tried to do different styles
<v Speaker 2>so I could do like scientific and everything like that.
<v Speaker 2>So how can people reach you?
<v Speaker 3>They can't don't try.
<v Speaker 2>I love it when you said that. And I'm at
<v Speaker 2>one four four Captain on ex Twitter whatever you want
<v Speaker 2>to call it. And of course we have the great
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Street recording for us and doing our production and
<v Speaker 2>once again I want to thank Jimmy jam Straight and I,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, once again, I want to thank my
<v Speaker 2>nephew for picking up the ball and just running with
<v Speaker 2>it when we didn't have time and creating content and
<v Speaker 2>doing things like that because I didn't have time.
<v Speaker 3>And there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was Russell Maverick and he's still Russell Maverick
<v Speaker 2>and we're Russell Magic and we're gonna have a great night.
<v Speaker 2>We want you to have a great night. Also signing off,
<v Speaker 2>Sean a song or a movie anything.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go to TV show instead of a movie.
<v Speaker 3>Breakthroughs a little bit. We just watched The Watcher, which
<v Speaker 3>was a one run series on Netflix. It's got Bobby
<v Speaker 3>Canavali in it. It's completely out there and I love
<v Speaker 3>it and they I guess it's a slight spoiler, but
<v Speaker 3>they really don't tell you this is the end. It's
<v Speaker 3>a very vague ending, but that's on Netflix and it
<v Speaker 3>was a pretty fun watch. I think it's from a
<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago as a Watcher and I know,
<v Speaker 3>oh God.
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, any anything you want, anything you want, Bud, oh.
<v Speaker 3>Good lord. Just go check out a band on Spotify
<v Speaker 3>called Goat Girl like the Animal g O A T
<v Speaker 3>Space girl G I R R G I R l
<v Speaker 3>E very fun. I like them.
<v Speaker 2>You've got me scared, But okay, don't be scared.
<v Speaker 3>Try new things.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I do all the time. I love Squid. So, Jimmy,
<v Speaker 2>would you like to sign off with the show or
<v Speaker 2>a song or a movie.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to pick one song, and I think it'll
<v Speaker 1>fit the topic of the show perfectly. If you've ever
<v Speaker 1>gone on YouTube or any kind of music channel, look
<v Speaker 1>up Michael he Is Hayes singing Free Bird Road.
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm putting that into my tube right now.
<v Speaker 2>Dude, that's that's awesome. So what I'm gonna sign off.
<v Speaker 3>On is uh oh god.
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not. I'm not gonna do anything like.
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'm not.
<v Speaker 2>No.
<v Speaker 3>I'm just I was expecting more. I wasn't expecting it
<v Speaker 3>to be so contemporary. I'll be honest. That's looking at
<v Speaker 3>the thumb now, like this is gonna be good. Some
<v Speaker 3>old Mike lads with the big shades, the wrap arounds
<v Speaker 3>and and some big over the year headphones, like in
<v Speaker 3>a studio somewhere singing a song. I was like, no,
<v Speaker 3>he recorded this with his probably his girlfriend's phone, and Edie.
<v Speaker 2>This just this just makes me happy to hear this.
<v Speaker 2>So for me, I'm gonna tell everybody to the song
<v Speaker 2>and this is god awful, and I apologize. I'm a
<v Speaker 2>free bird. I do what I do. I'm a free bird.
<v Speaker 2>What's your excuse? Which was their second second song that
<v Speaker 2>Michael recorded. Oh, it was just dear Lord, god awful.
<v Speaker 2>But so I'm gonna go with the Rob Zombie film
<v Speaker 2>and I'm to go with Three from Hell and just yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because do you know how it ends?
<v Speaker 3>I do, But I guess it's over your old movie,
<v Speaker 3>so you can go on and spoil it.
<v Speaker 2>Wait wait, wait, wait, Three from Hell might not hold on.
<v Speaker 2>I got to make sure that I'm doing the right.
<v Speaker 3>No, you know.
<v Speaker 2>It's hold on, hold on. I'm saying this. I'm saying
<v Speaker 2>the sequel, which actually.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, are you talking about the Devil's Rejects? Then? Yes,
<v Speaker 3>about twenty years ago.
<v Speaker 2>It was The Devil's Rejects. Okay, And yes, I'm saying
<v Speaker 2>that movie. The sequel was Three from Hell.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then Rejects is a sequel of House of
<v Speaker 3>a Thousand Courses.
<v Speaker 2>True, But the reason I say Devil's Rejects is because
<v Speaker 2>what's the last song in the movie as they're going
<v Speaker 2>to the shootout.
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I have no idea. It's been so long
<v Speaker 3>since I sell that.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I beat you in some kind of trivia, Sean Holy.
<v Speaker 3>Biscuits, Yes, but I have no idea.
<v Speaker 2>Free Bird.
<v Speaker 3>Well I should have known. I should have used context
<v Speaker 3>pleased to get that one man.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if you're ever out of trivia, by the way, folks,
<v Speaker 2>every time or not trivia, but excuse me, karaoke. If
<v Speaker 2>you're ever out of karaoke and someone gets up there
<v Speaker 2>and they start to play, just scream free Bird.
<v Speaker 3>That's very original, mind, very original.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what everybody does, but it's it's one of
<v Speaker 2>those things. I don't know if Jimmy is like the
<v Speaker 2>knowledge out or seeing that in his life, but I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure he did. And I know Sean you have. But
<v Speaker 2>this has been a.
<v Speaker 3>Rob having played in front of people many, many, many times,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, in rock bands and whatnot. I can't
<v Speaker 3>tell you the amount of times I've heard somebody said
<v Speaker 3>every Bird. I think people just assume that every band
<v Speaker 3>knows free Bird, which you know, I get it, but
<v Speaker 3>it's not exactly the case. It's not in every band's repertoire.
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, it's probably like a jerk thing,
<v Speaker 2>but it always makes me laugh. And I always think
<v Speaker 2>it's funny that it's the end of like a Rob
<v Speaker 2>Zombie film, mister, like you know, metal industrial, and then
<v Speaker 2>it's like at the.
<v Speaker 3>End they have a shootout, you know, Rob Zombie loved
<v Speaker 3>and skinnered. Of course about that. I love the meme
<v Speaker 3>by the way of Rob Zombie looking like the ghost
<v Speaker 3>of Macho Man Randy Savage, because they do just have
<v Speaker 3>similar style. Rob Zombie is quite a bit to Randy
<v Speaker 3>Savage of the nineties, the big cowboy hat and this
<v Speaker 3>this spangly things that the streamers on the sleeves and everything,
<v Speaker 3>the fringes.
<v Speaker 2>It makes sense. It makes a lot of sense beyond.
<v Speaker 3>We ever noticed that has got a great eye because
<v Speaker 3>I remember seeing that for the first time, and that's
<v Speaker 3>one of the few like memes that actually really gave
<v Speaker 3>me a good, you know, belly laugh for a few minutes.
<v Speaker 3>That's a great observation, sir.
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