#497 - Matt Jenkins on Having 3 No. 1’s in a Year + Tricks to get Over Writer’s Block + Opening for Taylor Swift + Artists Using A.I. In Music + Him and Bobby doing ‘Music Night’ Together

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Speaker 1: Press passing on some property and get put in the back of a cop car. He goes, I want to write a song called fell in Love in the back of a cop car, and Keith Urban heard it later at the Grammys and changed My.

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Speaker 2: Life, Episode four ninety seven. Matt Jenkins. So I like Matt. I don't know if I was gonna like him. I'm glad he didn't stand up when I walked in. I'm being honest, very tall, yeah, six'. FOUR i appreciate him sitting down and not making me feel less of a. Man and not only, that when we took a picture at the, END i, said, hey we should stand up BECAUSE i like the lighting a bit better BECAUSE i was kind of washing us out when we were sitting. Down and THEN i remember he was six y, four AND i, said maybe this will be the last one that we sit. For matt has written a, ton a ton of big. Songs he won The Triple Play, award which he talks, about which is three number ones in the same. YEAR i remember being With matt and his. Brother we've had his brother on two, yeah And Jordan davis And jordan's Brother jacob right when they won for By dirt we were all back at THE cmas just kind of hanging out and it was kind of cool because it was two brothers and two brothers that had written that Song song of The.

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Speaker 1: Year super.

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Speaker 2: Cool so big fan Of Matt, jenkins but we waited to bring him in until now Because i'm hosting this music night live From, nashville which he is playing at and playing some of his big. Songs so it is a live songwriter round From, nashville but in movie theaters all across the, country and it's. Live it's not like a. MOVIE i was talking to my wife about it last night and she was, like, wait so it's a movie directed By Steven. Spilberg i'm, like, no, no, no at. All it's live And i'm hosting it and it'll Be march eighth at seven Pm. Central you buy tickets at the movie theater just like you would anything. Else but it's Eight, eastern Seventh, central Six, mountain Five, pacific so it's gonna be. Great we're doing an Analog nashville that's never been done. BEFORE i hope people, come and if a ton, do we'll do it, again and if none. Do you, know we took a big, swing BUT i like taking big. Swings So Matt jenkins is one of the people they're going to play. Songs he talks about what songs he's gonna play during this. Too But Brett, james who we've had on the show, before who Did Jesus take The Will he has a bunch of. Songs Kelly archer and she's, like sleep with, You Brett. Young she has a lot of hits. Too obviously they wouldn't be on, this but they've written over forty number ones, altogether and so it's a. Concert it's a storytelling. Experience it's about the creative process behind. It if you listen to this, PODCAST i think you'll like this show because that's what that. Is that's what we would do, here but we would get sued for putting music on the. Podcast, BASICALLY i hope you come get tickets at music night dot com and we'll put the information down on the bottom here music night Dot. Com but wanted to mention. That and it's not even that we Had matt on just for. This we would have had him on anyway, before but we just wanted to make sure we put this up at a time where it made. Sense did you go back to twenty twenty, three or just type In Josh, Jenkins Bobby, Cash chicken hear his. Brother his brother was in a band THAT i used to. Love can you remember the?

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Speaker 1: Band? AH i can't remember off the top of my.

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Speaker 2: HEAD i bet You eddie Can eddie sitting here beside?

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Speaker 1: Me, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Eddie So Matt jenkins is on this, episode But Josh jenkins is his. Brother Josh jenkins was in a trio And Josh hjenkins big songwriter in. Town you're gonna know the. Band when we were At Emmy, television we played them all the. Time it was a, trio A texas, trio A.

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Speaker 3: Texas country music triom h Uh Reckless Kelly, nope, okay so oh oh Oh Cross Nannian, Ragweed no a. TRIO i Thought Cross Carenadian ragweed WAS i think that more because it was Like Randy.

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Speaker 2: Cross and it doesn't matter What i'm talking about them three letters, there substant three letters would be, there, uh not even an, acronym but people would just say they're three letters is what it stood?

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Speaker 1: FOR whoa three? Letters?

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Speaker 2: Dude you're taking me back right. Now the first letter is A. G you were a producer of this network SO i. WAS i, was but there were a lot of bands and, yeah BUT i loved this.

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Speaker 4: Band you did loved him G r G R oh they got, nothing really, NO i got. Nothing and the fact that you loved this.

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Speaker 2: Loved him and when he came in When josh were Doing. Matt but When josh came, IN i was, like oh my, GOSH I Green River.

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Speaker 1: Ordinates oh, yeah, OKAY i remember the. Name they were so. Legit did they ever come into the? Studio it.

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Speaker 2: EMMY i don't. Know they came into my heart. Though But matt talks, about you, know when his, brother younger brother moved to town after he did G R, O matt had a record. Deal he talks about that and how he didn't have a record deal after a. WHILE i loved the. EPISODE i haven't Texted, Mike and If matt listened to, THIS i really don't care at this point BECAUSE i Like. MATT i feel like. Whatever there was no parking in my house because we had like somebody that was cleaning the hun day because we had A hunday shoot that. Day we we had the. Dog we have somebody that comes and cleans our dogs like every three weeks that they have a mobile, pet so that was. Blocking there was nowhere to park And matt has a huge, truck and just maybe it Wasn't. Matt maybe it was a gap with them parked it like right in the middle of the house like butt out where nobody could get. Through AND i was, like my Hou's amazon was a drop on packages and he was, like there's no. Parking SO i hope you enjoyed the. EPISODE i. DID i really Like. Matt he was a ballplayer. Too, yeah makes sense if you're six or, four you got to kind of be a, ballplayer right or just you're asked all the, time why aren't you a? Ballplayer, Yes matt Kay jenkins loved. It please come Watch Music, Night Music night dot. Com and now let's get going with the. Episode how you doing, man, good good.

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Speaker 1: Brother thanks for having. Me we're taping this at one.

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Speaker 2: Pm so what do you have any sort of day when you have something at one like did you write it all?

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Speaker 1: Today? No block? Today? Off you know it can look, different you, know obviously one of the freedoms of being a songwriter is you Can you, know it's. Funny when you moved to, town it used to be like everybody should up at Ten road at ten and As i've gotten you, know been here, longer the day moves back a little. Bit usually started, eleven but blocked off, today but usually get going about. Eleven sometimes it'll puss the. Afternoon but isn't that? Crazy like the. Joke we started at the butt crack of, Eleven and WHEN.

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Speaker 2: I sat, DOWN i was trying to think the last TIME i saw. You but THEN i see your brother AND i get not, confused but, YEAH i mean you got, guys do LOOK i think all?

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Speaker 1: Together it was A.

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Speaker 2: Cma, yes, right we're back in that little mid fancy room where people get to go and eat, food but it's been touched by other, people so it's not fully. Fancy and it was right when you guys had you had, won, yes by, dirt.

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Speaker 1: Such a COOL i was thinking about this, interview AND i was thinking about that moment with. You we you, know we've met in the, past you, know in passing a couple of. Times BUT i was just thinking about that. Memory, winning you, know the highlight of my, life one of the highlights of my life career songwriting wives was winning you, know by dirt with with those boys and going backstage and you, Know luke comes off stage and high five IN us and then going back there and then hanging in the green room with you And jordan And jacob and just celebrating back. There so that's pretty. Quecial is that? Highlight is that the public facing highlight of your? Career? YEAH i think. So there's been like some personal. Highlights you, KNOW i had a triple play one. Year we have you, know sort of industry. THINGS i, want what were the three in what? Year? Shoot it Was, confession set in the world On? Fire and, shoot you're going to do this to? Me maybe where It's i'm trying to, think, no Cop. CAR i don't know HOW.

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Speaker 2: I know all your, songs BUT i don't know the years as In, yeah i'd have to.

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Speaker 1: LOOK i know it's those. Two i'm trying to think what the third one.

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Speaker 2: Is what's the rule on the triple? Play they have to be written in the same year or releasing hit number one in the same.

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Speaker 1: Year you. KNOW i think that the rules have evolved a little bit where now they'll they'll include like hot country number, ones and but back WHEN i did, it you had to have three number ones on the radio in a calendar.

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Speaker 2: Year which it didn't matter when they were written because they could have written three year ye right, Exactly so if there were number one on the, calendar got.

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Speaker 1: It and for, me you, KNOW i remember going Into Tim debwall's, office great, songwriter producer Ran Arista records, forever and he had a triple play on the on the you, know on his, shelf AND, i you, know growing up here like in, Town you're, like, hey that's the dream to win one of, those and SO i would say that that's one of the. Highlights and then obviously winning UH Cma song of The, year you, know just to do it with my brother and The Davis boys on the song that we wrote is gonna be hard to be. Topped and that same year we WON Nsai song of The, year which is you, know the fellow peers in town vote for their favorite song of the. Year to win there was really special, too and my. Parents it was at the rhyme and my parents got to come in And i'm you, know our history with our dad being a songwriter growing, up just to him to be in the house that night was really, special but hard to top THE Cma song of The, YEAR i.

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Speaker 2: Forgot now it's all coming, back BUT i Forgot jacob And. Jordan yes it was it was brother and Brother crimes that wrote.

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Speaker 1: Songs, yes that's. Cool and you know what's cool is you, know we can get into that more. Later but what's really cool IS i heard the only other number one written by two sets of. Brothers you, know the song red solo cut let, Me oh, SORRY i gave how are you gonna?

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Speaker 2: ASK i?

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Speaker 1: Know so that be The warren.

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Speaker 2: Brothers and THEN i know And jim BECAUSE i written a bunch Of Jim.

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Speaker 1: JIM i don't Know jim's brother, Though. Brett, yeah, Sorry i'll teach you up.

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Speaker 2: There you, did AND i THINK i would have got, there but you gave me no time to answer the. Question that's the worst game Show i've ever been. On, YEAH i.

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Speaker 1: DIDN'T i didn't know.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cool little fun.

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Speaker 2: Fact another the little fun fact about that song is that they basically just used the work tape for that. Song tob we just sang over it wow because that you Hear jim in the. Background that's him when they were just making the.

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Speaker 1: Demo it's a. Cool, yeah. Brilliant, yeah it's way better than you.

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Speaker 2: Guys, yeah that's the best, one it is for. Sure how often do you write with your brother a? Lot was it ever a thing where you didn't.

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Speaker 1: For a, while you, know growing up in you know In, Texas like we grew up in a super musical, household and there was so much. Music, actually when you would call our, house the answer machine would we would like record ourselves singing together on the answer. Machine so we just grew up playing music, together but never really. Wrote and then, note you, know he went. Up he was in a pop rock band and Traveled, america AND i was a, fan, yeah of his. BAND i told him that.

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Speaker 2: ONE i was, like, MAN i used to work at A tv, station a MUSIC tv, network and that's WHERE i kind of fell in love with.

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Speaker 1: Them, Yeah AND i remember when he was in, HERE i was, like, DUDE i was a big. Fan, Yeah and they opened up for you, know Switch foot And Goo Goo dolls and all these cool, things and that band kind of wrapped AND i, said you got to come To. Nashville so he, came and then we really, started you, know writing, more and then you, know as time's gone, on we've written more and, more and then it's really. Cool we kind of partnered With jordan on his first, record and it's been really special to write a lot really focused on The jordan. Thing but we, right we actually wrote this, week So i'd say a couple times a.

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Speaker 2: Month was there ever a time, though where if he's just moving to, town, like we're not going to write together BECAUSE i don't want people to think That i'm getting you rights because you're just my. Brother was that ever a conversation like you didn't want him to feel like or you want other people to feel like since he was your, brother he was getting a bunch of great.

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Speaker 1: Rights, yeah you, KNOW i, MEAN i, OBVIOUSLY i think we've allowed each other to have enough space in our. CAREER i think that's some you, know The warren brothers right every right to get. TOGETHER i can't do. That SO i think we've let each other have enough space and we would co. Write but when he moved to, TOWN i actually introduced him To shane, mcinally it's a pretty good, introduction And shane believed in him and signed him To. Smack so he was With Smack poshing for years and you, know we didn't write a. Bunch. Yeah it's almost, like, hey you, know you come, here do your own. Thing you gotta kind of find your own, way AND i think it took him a few years to kind, of you, know find his groove and he's rocking. Now but it's. Cool we kind of we we do our thing, together but we both sort of allow each other some space and it feels fresh and exciting when we come back. Together helped me out with.

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Speaker 2: SOMETHING i was just going through your cataloger when you mentioned that triple play with. Confession how's that song? Going all the songs are.

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Speaker 1: BLUR, u, rusty barbed, wirelines these, fields gravel dust behind the. Wheels that the course of course is light up the night and LET i just switched. Keys light up to, night let it, burn lean back and watch the sun, down feed do WHAT i do in, Life so little side, ways take a, sip ban say it, prey wait full shooting star and steer out fat the, headlights own the. Highway guy in the windshield a looking back looks just like. Me but there's a crack and the reflection this is just the. Moonlights so got it? Cool got it? Cool took.

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Speaker 2: Me there's songs everywhere all the. Time, yeah that got to.

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Speaker 1: Know, yes it took me a. Second do you ever do that you ever mix up your own. Songs, oh all the.

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Speaker 2: Time good BECAUSE i don't want to feel insulted.

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Speaker 1: There oh and you know what's, Funny LIKE i played these riders. ROUNDS i was playing one last, night And i'll have like almost performance anxiety Where i've played these songs a million, times BUT i have so many melodies in my head THAT i would be, like DO i remember this Melody i'm about to? Play but, yeah especially when you're writing and, performing you're, like get get them all twisted? Up for.

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Speaker 2: SURE i talked to your brother a bit about growing, up but everybody has two different, stories especially because you're not the same, age, RIGHT i, mean you grow, up it's the, same but it's.

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Speaker 1: Different musical, FAMILY i don't.

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Speaker 2: Know tell, me, well tell me what they were, like what your parents were, like and what you saw them doing.

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Speaker 1: Musically, yeah, so you, know such a cool. Thing my dad wanted to be a. Songwriter his parents weren't musical at. All he wanted to be a. Songwriter and you, know we have binders of. Lyrics you know still that he would write, lyrics and you know we can we just sit around and joke and sing his. Songs now sometimes we talk about making like a little record of his, songs but we just grew up in a household with you, know music all the. Time songwriters were. Highlighted and but but when when he met my, mom he had a band and you, know playing Around texas and she would take tickets to the door and he would, play and you, know when they had, us he obviously had that. Dream and there's actually hilarious. VIDEO i think there's some on YouTube of us playing around The opryes In, texas which are sort of many you, know grand old oprys and people would show up and we'd be singing like almost like family band, style you, Know Merle haggard, Singing Daddy. Frank and So i'm like, eight you, know nine or eight or, nine and my bro's, there he's six or, seven and we're singing with my. Mom my mom's got the Big texas, hair and you, know dad singing and we're singing. Along and so we just grew up doing the family band, thing singing again other and my. Dad you, know it's FUNNY i was thinking, about you, know it's kind of it's really nice BECAUSE i think as you get older and you start writing, songs you almost have this inner. Critic AND i think my dad just encouraged us to write and challenge us a. Rut he used to give us a yellow legal pat and, say, hey go in the other room and write a. Song AND i think starting at such a young age allowed us to just it's almost like we didn't even have that inner critic in, us and so we just just. Wrote and he really highlighted to, Us, hey here's the artists that write their own. Songs and SO i just think we loved. SONGWRITERS i think we love. Songs we just grew up in. It and he cultivated that in, us the love for. Songs and so you know When josh jorn G, roh he's writing all the. SONGS i moved To, nashville got, Signed i'm writing all my songs and, so, yeah we just grew up in that environment that loved. MUSIC i always, SAY i didn't know it wasn't normal to sing at every family function UNTIL i went to other people's houses and, like this isn't normal to sing on cue at other people's. Houses so we just grew up in. That and you, know there was never any. PLAN B i was, LIKE i want TO i want to make MUSIC.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend messaged me last night late last, night BUT i go to bed too, early SO i read it this. Morning and he's in the middle of writing a. Book i've written a couple of. BOOKS i didn't like the process they take.

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Speaker 1: Forever.

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Speaker 2: YEAH i like writing funny songs much, better or just songs in, general BECAUSE i know if it sucks or not right AFTER i finish.

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Speaker 1: It. Yeah. Yeah and he.

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Speaker 2: Was like asking. It he's, LIKE i Think i've hit writer's. Block and he asked me for my, advice AND i, Said, HEY i don't know what writer's block, is BECAUSE i feel LIKE i always, Suck LIKE i feel LIKE i live in a, constant perpetual state of writer's. Block do you get that as a, writer like a version of writer's block where nothing is.

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Speaker 1: Triggering the same?

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Speaker 2: Thoughts, Nothing you feel like you can't land on a, melody your lyrics Aren't and does that ever happen with?

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Speaker 1: You? Yes AND i think the benefit Of nashville is because it's such like a blue collar at least HOW i approach. It blue. Collar my calendar is booked out for the, year or not the, year but like months and, months and you, know you fill in the gaps where it's, like, HEY i have to show up and be creative and you really get to lean on other. People but it is a little bit of LIKE i will say THAT i go through stretches WHERE i feel very OR i can feel very, uninspired and that could be tied to writer's, block and so you, KNOW i have little tricks that kind of get me out of. It but they want to hear a. Couple, yeah, MAN i think obviously some of the go to is Reading, DUDE i.

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Speaker 2: Do i'm telling you you're speaking right now to somebody who uses that.

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Speaker 1: Exactly you have to READ i really, THINK i mean, again and it's different for, everybody BUT i just didn't REALIZE i love it and you got to. Find, hey WHEN i first moved to, town it's, like, hey here's. Double you gotta write doubles.

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Speaker 2: And Not, twitter by the, way BECAUSE i used to be, like oh it's Three. Twitter, yeah not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Exactly you might find a hook On, twitter but YOU i, have you, know On instagram you're, like, oh that's a cool. Quote BUT i think you gotta if you're pouring, OUT i, mean you spend your whole life talking and pouring out books and, so and it's, like, man if you're not feeling your tank, up you will start regurgitating the same thing and melodies and so you really have to take time and and feel your. Tank and so to, me it's like JUST i love to, work But i've also had to find the balance of, LIKE i know When i'm starting to get a little, burnt and SO i go through. Seasons But i'll. Read If i'm reading a, book Then i'll just you, KNOW i might grab five titles from a, book you, know and or listen to you, know some great great music is always great BECAUSE i just feel like language and vernacular and you, know finding a cool artist and just listening and letting it be in the background will just trigger phrases and ideas and SO i just feel like the intake of that helps like feel the well to pour back out.

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Speaker 2: One of My this may tell you how UNINTELLIGENT i, Am like, fundamentally WHEN i read, BOOKS i read.

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Speaker 1: Them and THEN i use new.

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Speaker 2: Words like my vernacular expands even THOUGH i know the. Words there are a lot of words THAT i really don't use UNTIL i read book and they're using those, words And i'm, like, oh those are good Words i've forgotten. About, yes and that sounds like something a sixth grader would. Say, yes but that helps me tremendously and like my every, day five hour a day talking.

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Speaker 1: Life. Absolutely, yeah it's, like, hey what is? It, okay what is this? Word and, okay what does this? Mean i'm gonna just kind of, innately you, know put it into Your, yeah like you, said your.

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Speaker 2: Vernaculary sometimes don't even Realize i'm using it and it just pops up all of a.

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Speaker 1: Sudden have you READ i don't know what you're reading right, Now Demon. COPPERHEAD i just read that was an amazing. Book and then one of my favorites That i've read in a long time is a book Called. James have you read? That was? It is it? Fiction non? Fiction? About it's fiction and it's Actually i'm trying to think the author's. Name it's fantastic as one of the best books of the, year you, know songs a few, lists but it was it's from the, Perspective Huck. Finn it's from the perspective of the. Slave oh, yeah so the whole book is From james the slave's. Perspective it's One it's wonderful it's one of the best books That i've read in the last few. Years so, anyway not to no.

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Speaker 2: NO i LIKE i liked the game of book nerd because it's almost you almost got to have. Somebody it's like A netflix. Show honest to, GOD i don't know what shows to watch On my friends say much of a.

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Speaker 1: Commitment, YES i need somebody to tell me that it's great THAT i.

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Speaker 1: Cast the weird thing About.

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Speaker 2: And, Again i'm not the person to go to if someone's thinking about writing a book because the process to me is it was grueling because it was so, long and there's no payoff the day it's.

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Speaker 1: Released where if you.

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Speaker 2: Put out a song and it comes out that, day you can, go, hey what do you think of the? Song just generally to people you put out a, book you gotta wait two three weeks before anybody even read the freaking. Thing so you're just like sitting on your, thumb just, going, Well i'll do this and feel it until somebody tells me how they. Feel right, NOW i, SAY i don't read a lot of. FICTION i like to read fiction WHEN i will allow, myself Which i'm getting better. At But i'm reading the book Called The Life impossible right, now which is by this author from AN i don't know any names of any books or songs because OUR i read it thing on a iPad and you don't see the front of the cover? Anymore so how much was remember the title of the? Book IF i don't see the front of the cover over and.

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Speaker 1: Over you enjoy reading it on the. SCREEN i don't.

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Speaker 2: Read it on my, phone BUT i read it on an iPad, okay okay or a. Kendle my wife reads a. KENDLE i read a.

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Speaker 1: iPad but what's?

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Speaker 2: Funny people say, like, hey you read anything? Good And i'm, like, YEAH i know the name of. It, yeah because when it.

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Speaker 1: Was hard, books you always saw the. Title. Yeah. Yeah do you feel like are those inspiring like?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 1: Yeah things that inspire you the not self, help but like that motivates you a little? Better is that your kind of go? To so.

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Speaker 2: The book THAT i can read YOU i read. Recently don't believe everything you?

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Speaker 1: Think? HMMM i, Heard, YEAH i tend.

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Speaker 2: To and it's mostly the difference in thoughts and thinking where you don't control your. Thoughts you do have some influence on your thinking because that's putting effort into your, thoughts and how some of your thoughts are. Toxic you can't control your thoughts that come. In but it's basically you can to a point control your. Thinking AND i did. THAT i read this book Called gambler From Billy. Walters he's a crazy guy who bet all this. Money but AND i get into some of these books, too LIKE i Read The realm Of Hungry.

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Speaker 1: GHOSTS i come from a family of.

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Speaker 2: Addiction and what sucks about reading digitally is that you're, LIKE i really want to read, this and it's by good warm matey who's a, doctor And i'm, Like i'm, in and then you buy the.

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Speaker 1: Book i'm an.

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Speaker 2: IDIOT i buy the book and it's like nine hundred and thirteen, pages And i'm, Like, god, dang if i'd seen the, STORE i would have never grabbed.

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Speaker 1: It it's too. Big thirteen that's a big. Book. Yeah. Yeah on the, iPad it's all the same. Thickness that's a.

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Speaker 2: Commitment SO i Read The Midnight library By Matt.

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Speaker 1: Hayes oh great, Book, yes, awesome right?

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Speaker 2: Book and that's who Wrote The Life, impossible and that's WHY i ended up on that.

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Speaker 1: One, okay THAT mani. Library it was. Fantastic, Yeah and it's all about like life, choices like don't second guess what you're doing because maybe it doesn't feel right right this. Second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah but it's stuff like that That i'll read And i'll just pull so much even without knowing it so. Subconsciously and that was my question about, you and, right like where do you pull stuff?

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Speaker 1: From whenever you have to be a well, yeap you have to BE i AND i, AGAIN i have a. Daughter my oldest daughter will. Read she'd be, like, DAD i love. Her she's a book, nerd but she's, LIKE i read one hundred fifty pages last night And i'm like blown. Away BUT i told, HER i, SAID i read an article and they're, Saying i'm trying to remember the stat but like the most successful people read the most books a lot of times CEOs and So i'm, like you, know it's like trying to encourage that in my girls or, whatever and so but for me as a, creative it's Just i've learned when the wells, DRY i got to like put on you, know the things you, know obviously for, me you, know getting my word in the. Morning and then Obviously I'M i love to listen to, music like classical music with no lyrics is. Refreshing but, yeah, books, MOVIES i love. Movies and, again as a, WRITER i feel like my intenna can go up and go, Okay i'm listening to every. Conversation i'm listening trying to find you, know What i'm saying. Ideas If i'm like that in that, Mode.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to say to anybody, LISTENING i think both of us understand that our jobs are not the same as going to the mill like my stepdad had to do every, day whatever the physical labor job. Is we're in a creative. Space But i'm gonna say, this it starts to. Burn it starts to be hard work because not the same hard. WORK i can already see the Messages I'm i'm just doing a little proactive keeping the messages to hit me in the head right now when it starts to be, difficult like an actual. Grind WHAT i can do now a bit is force a bit of, boredom BECAUSE i will Be i'm a, creative But i'm managing seven different projects at, once and So i'm using both sides on our, brain And i'm having to constantly think of, compelling funny, things and at the same Time i'm managing, people And i'll run out WHERE i feel LIKE i have nothing, good. Nothing so IF i don't force myself to be, bored nothing creative. Happens SO i have to get myself back to that space. Quiet, yeah it's the one of the place is THAT i think the best is in the shower BECAUSE i can't go anywhere. Else there's no PHONE i can get, to So i'll just sit. There the shower is a good place.

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Speaker 1: For, me right Driving, yeah to, me it's like driving shutting everything. Off shower showers great now WHEN i drive the on my phone you painting credit. Card it's a scary place you're alone with your, thoughts but it's also a beautiful thing because we really aren't alone with our thoughts, anymore and it's hard to. Be it's hard to be that we can feel so much of this space and so, yeah obviously that's Where god shows up and just, downloads you, know things to you and you're, yeah you can kind of chew on things and how much of A texan are? You? UH i, Mean i've met people that are we, know we know, them AND i lived there for twelve. Years oh you did. It, YEAH i lived In.

00:24:42
Speaker 2: Austin my adult young adult life is completely formed by the state Of.

00:24:45
Speaker 1: Texas In, Austin. Texas so yes alone, Star, YEAH i have friends that are so dial Hard texan AND i love. It you, KNOW i was talking To read. Earlier it's, like, hey you move, away and LIKE I i some of that. PRIDE i feel even stronger now from WHERE i came. From But i'm Not i'm not near as hardcore as a lot of.

00:25:04
Speaker 2: People looking at your catalog here of songs that are listed as notable, Hits i'm not sure who listened.

00:25:11
Speaker 1: On maybe Even, MIKE i don't.

00:25:12
Speaker 2: Know By Dirt Jordan davis talked about that one cop Car Keith urban.

00:25:17
Speaker 1: That was a long time. Ago. Huh, yeah that was my first With. Sam With, Sam, yeah i'd had a few songs THAT i won't name that have that died in the forties on the chart fifties and and you, know didn't do WHAT i wanted him to and sat. Down sam was, working didn't have a record deal, yet And i'd written with him a time or two and he shut. UP i, meant, Obviously sam's, brilliant and That monovolo record really a few records come along that sort of Changed. Nashville BUT i JUST i love the way that his brain works and thought and and he had that, idea you, know he WAS i think it's it's white is his. Wife he was trespassing on some property and got put put in the back of a cop. Car he, GOES i want to write a song called fell In love in the back of a cop. Car and, uh we wrote it over four or five, rights And Keith urban heard it and played it at The grammys and changed my. LIFE i always SAY i was able to call the home folk back In texas and tell THEM i sort of made. IT i wasn't crazy no matter what else. Happens Keith urban played my song at The. Grammy so that was the first like like big, win honestly win in my cells and win for me in.

00:26:22
Speaker 2: Town when you talk about writing With sam and that was early early for you and early for. Him, yeah and you say you wrote four or five, times LIKE i Know sam and also know How sam.

00:26:35
Speaker 1: Works was that how he worked?

00:26:37
Speaker 2: Then where it was we were just going to revisit over and over and.

00:26:39
Speaker 1: Over, no, no, OH i mean, Literally i'll say this when we talk about other, artists but, Like sam is one of the most, talented brilliant people That i've been in the room. With BUT i think that the gift That sam has is he literally the Longer i've been, Here i've learned. This the best writers know when it's, wrong and the great ones know how to fix it and make it. Right and you can just write a, song but when you the great writers know it's not. Right And sam has that thing where he he could just rewrite the same verse ten, times you. Know so we we spent five six writes just like writing and rewriting and stripping. Down and that wasn't you. Know i've done that a little bit and so, yeah the early days With sam were hard but good hard because the end product was so, great but it was it was. Painful BUT i will Say i've written with him quite a bit recently and he's like he's he's you, know not mellowed, out BUT i think he's evolved a little bit and a little less that he'll we'll work on stuff and then he'll take it back and kind of would shit on it a little bit more than he used.

00:27:39
Speaker 2: To, yeah notorious at taking Forever, yeah and then after forever going back and redoing it.

00:27:44
Speaker 1: AGAIN i heard this all this, Said sam's JUST i think one of the most talented. People. SAM i Love. Sam, oh BUT i heard body like A Back road THAT i heard twenty different. Versions so but, again one of the biggest songs in country music. History so he knows something right for.

00:27:59
Speaker 2: Sure what about, like there are little things about songs sometimes that maybe you don't think are going to be the big thing about the song and the yep yep yep And Dustin lynch Where it's At yep.

00:28:10
Speaker 1: Yep when you say that, SONG i go, yep, yeah the yep yep.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: Song so more so than like the writing of that, Song i'm curious about the edition Of yep, yep OR i guess the lack of subtraction of yep, yep or how that came.

00:28:23
Speaker 1: About you, know wrote With Zach, crowd who's a great. Friend we sort of came up together and we had cop card together and we wrote that Where It's at With Cary. Barlow and you, know in your career you have these songs that are like you, know are these, big meaty. Songs and Then zach had this. Track zach hadn't had a hit. Yet zach had this, track and we showed up with Carry barlow And carrie's you, know married To Hilly, lindsay just an amazing musician and guitar. Player and he starts playing that lead lift damp, down you, know and we write where it's, at and there's this little space AND i give it to give it up To zach and just his, intuition his producer hit in. Intuition there was a little space where yep yep went and we were just working on it and he just got on the mind and said yep. Yep he just filled that space with yep. Yep and it's so. Funny it was like it came out dustin cut. It it's like where it's, at yep. Yep it's like it became a, thing and it was so. Funny it was like such like an add on after the. Fact but those little, CANDY i think his pop brain knew there needed to be a part, there and it was like that little candy that kind of took it to another.

00:29:28
Speaker 5: Level The bobby cast will be right. Back this is The bobby CAST.

00:29:42
Speaker 2: I wonder two with that, song and Again i'm asking to go and think back about something years. Ago but was, It, hey let's try. This, HEY i think this is going to be. Awesome did you hear it the first? Time it had to hit a little weird because again it wasn't it's not camm that's not common and, yeah how, yeah like what what was the range there of let's try? This, OKAY i like? It or you, guys you guys talk about a little, bit you.

00:30:06
Speaker 1: Know and, again like you, SAID i don't remember, exactly BUT i do remember digging in and feel like it became like a thing in the song that kind of made it.

00:30:14
Speaker 2: Special did you know it was gonna be something that stuck?

00:30:16
Speaker 1: Out, yeah that's what it felt. Like it felt, like you, know it, was, yeah that little extra piece and then obviously dust and cutting it and just taking it to another. Level and it's so funny WHEN i play it, live it's like in the crowds singing the, part you, know it is like the. Thing there are a.

00:30:33
Speaker 2: Couple other INSTANCES i think, of not exactly the, same But Kobe, cala will you come me? In and they leave that in and you, guys, yes and you guys did that. Purposefully but it's like the things that you remember from the songs that maybe weren't supposed to be the thing you were gonna remember from the song when they wrote the song that and Then James blunt On You're beautiful where it's like it's a lot and he's like sings the first line twice the beginning of it and they left it.

00:31:05
Speaker 1: In, Yeah so there are a lot of. Those it's almost like that uniqueness or that for.

00:31:10
Speaker 2: Sure and there's gotta be a conversation like do we lease?

00:31:11
Speaker 1: This? Yeah like why it's almost some magic in, it you know that you go like and some risk, yeah and some. Risk. Yeah, yep it's.

00:31:19
Speaker 2: AWESOME i Tell dustin that all the, time like the fact that he cut that, song left it, in didn't think that he was too good for.

00:31:25
Speaker 1: It, yeah because now it's that's one.

00:31:27
Speaker 2: Of the most fun songs that, like as they call, it a, Recurrent, yeah it's a really fun recurrent of your songs on The and for those listening to recurrent would be a song that has already hit number, one done really, well has been off the, chart but we'll be brought back to play because audiences are familiar with it and like. It there are also things called golds that would be Like brooks and done like the, older but of like what song has done best for you as like as a?

00:31:52
Speaker 1: RECURRENT i, mean OBVIOUSLY i would say By, dirt but you know that's kind of a fresher, song so you know where it's at was. Big but you, know CAN i be, honest DO i make you want? It Billy? Carrington oh, yeah it is like that was sort of we love that. Song it was not even going to be a, single and they decided to put it out and you, Know billy's voice is just insane AND i don't know whatever that just it just sounded so good on the. Radio AND i still hear that song all the. Time and you, know when you look at you, know you're able to look at your ass cap checks and, go, hey which songs you know they some of some of them fall off a, cliff and then that's a good recurrent and Then, billy you, KNOW i still hear.

00:32:29
Speaker 2: It billy is the artist THAT i think of most when it's the OH i didn't know he sang that?

00:32:36
Speaker 1: Artist, yes of.

00:32:37
Speaker 2: Not he has so many hits, monsters awesome, songs but he's not around, much and when you start to look at his, catalog you're, LIKE i didn't realize them any.

00:32:46
Speaker 1: Hits oh if you went and Saw Billy, currington it would be it's probably. Twenty it's all. Hits it's crazy how. Many, yeah he almost, falls, yeah a little under the, radar for his voice is so. Identifiable but it's weird how some artists just sort of transcend and become. Bigger you. Know you also have these artists that you look at their their catalog and they don't have that many, hits but they're such a star and they have a, thing And billy. Is but some artists just kind of fall under the radar a little. Bit AND i think That's billy's, personality a little, Understated, yeah very.

00:33:19
Speaker 2: Much so doesn't have a lot to say when he's not saying. It And i've been Lucky billy AND i have Billion i've been really cool for a long. Time but not cool as in we talk a, lot because he doesn't talk a, lot or he'll he's, like, hey you should come stay with me In. Hawaiian i'm, like we've talked four. TIMES i love, you BUT i don't. KNOW i. KNOW i think that's part of what has Kept billy from being the person everybody knows Is billy has chosen not to be the person that everybody.

00:33:43
Speaker 1: Knows he's, like, HEY I he'll post videos of him In hawaii. Something it's. Funny when DO i make you? Want it was coming. Out he posted a video On instagram and we're, like uh. Oh for a, minute he like posts a video of like kim niked like from from, behind like climbing a coconut try and you're, like uh, oh this is gonna hurt. Ourselves it was just it's like, anyway Classic.

00:34:01
Speaker 2: Billy my favorite song of, yours maybe one of my top twenty songs since moving To, nashville is setting The world On fire BECAUSE i love When kenny sings slow. Songs i'm not a big Beach kenny guy BECAUSE i don't like the beach that. MUCH i Love Kenny chesney when he's doing the. Ballads, yeah and this is up, there It's kenny And. PINK i love setting the world on. Fire tell me that.

00:34:22
Speaker 1: Story, yeah such a cool. STORY i, Mean Josh, osborne you know there's a crew of. Us WHEN i first moved to. Town It's shane, Mccannally Matt, ramsey elite singer Of Old, Dominion, Trevor Brandy, clark And Josh osborne and we were like a. Pack And Josh osbourne is like one of my best friends in. Town we've been writing for, years had a few hits on there together that, list and we got together with our Buddy Ross, kaperman and you, know people always ask the cool thing About nashville is it is about. Ideas But ross is. Brilliant if you've had On ross, before it was one of my closest. Friends oh. Yeah ross is a great, friend and he's. Brilliant he's musically, brilliant and he'll have these musical. Pieces so he had like almost like a. Score he had the music to set in the world on, fire no, melodies and so we just start singing and melodies and we don't have a. Hook and it's. FUNNY i love The Ryan adams Song Losienna good just smiled and you, know So i'm, like first, verse we got drunk GUN i see in a boulevard and we start coloring all these cool pictures and we don't have a, hook and So i'm like scrambling an hour, in going, like where's a what hook CAN i we find that fits? This and a couple of pages, Back i'd written down the titles back to, reading, reading And i'd written down just written down setting The world On. Fire So i'm like scrambling for an, idea and a couple of pages back in my note section had written down the title setting The world On. Fire we plugged that, in got sent To. Kenny there's a funny story. Here we got got sent To. Kenny we heard he loved it And pink was gonna hop on. It AND i don't know if you heard this, story BUT i heard she called him and, said you know the. Story i'm putting out music at the exact same. Time you can't release, this and, yeah you may know more THAN i do of the. Story and luckily she called back and, Said i'm. Pregnant you can put this song. Out is that? True that's? True i'd heard. That, Yeah SO i always, say whatever happened that, Night i'm glad it.

00:36:15
Speaker 2: Happened, yes getting pregnant and allowed that song because, yeah they had music that was going to pop up against each.

00:36:21
Speaker 1: Other her baby helped. Me they pay for my, babies So i'm. Grateful but, anyway, yeah that you, KNOW i think that. Song like the THING i love about it is it has like it's, country but it has soul and you, know it's, LIKE i don't, know it's one of my funnest to play, live and it just has like a thing to it that's you, know, again a lot of it's ross And Josh josh is, brilliance But kenny And pink just brought it to. LIVES i love that, song you, know AND i didn't even WHEN i first heard. IT i Thought kenny was going to sing the, choruses and then he Got pink to sing, him you, know which is like really a, cool almost like a pop thing to.

00:36:53
Speaker 2: Do so the television Show nashville that was ON abc and then ended up being ON cm, two which was. Fiction, yeah that's not the show that you were.

00:37:03
Speaker 1: On, no you're going On you're going old. SCHOOL i didn't even know you knew about. This, yeah there was a SHOW i think On fox Pre yeah that was On. Fox, YEAH i, KNOW i know all the. Answers i'm just letting you, talk. Dude you, know you know some, dirt you. KNOW i, Mean i'm trying to be an. ARTIST i, MEAN i grew up in TEXT i wanted to Be George. STRAIGHT i moved, here had a record, deal lost a record. Deal i'm kind of in the like wilderness, years like what AM i? Doing AND i got approached to be on the Show. Nashville it was On fox and it was FROM i should have known it was from the creators Of Laguna, beach but they were pitching it as more of a a like hates about the. MUSIC i should have.

00:37:42
Speaker 2: Known music credibility was how that. SHOW i remember when it was being created and it really it really.

00:37:50
Speaker 1: Was there was no, yeah and so you got in and you, realize, like, oh they're they're just going after the. Drama and what's funny is, like you, Know Jamie johnson was on the Show. Chill there was a lot of you, know people That i'm friends with now And i'm GLAD i did the. Show BUT i got in and there was like just drama and they're, Like, hey you think that girl's, Cute you're going to hang out. Tonight you. Know it's just like you could tell they wanted there to be drama and relationships and not as much. Music so luckily it lasted a couple of episodes and got. Pulled did you ever think about doing? It and maybe you?

00:38:23
Speaker 2: Did did you ever audition for any of the? Shows LIKE i had all the voice any of.

00:38:26
Speaker 1: That, NO i thought about, it BUT i NEVER i don't. KNOW i feel LIKE I i don't. KNOW i don't. KNOW i don't know if MAYBE i just that's a great. QUESTION i don't know IF i ever thought about it too, SERIOUSLY i don't know if it WAS i don't. Know MAYBE i don't. Know i'll. SEE i think you, know obviously you're a part Of American idol and it's changed people's. Careers BUT i just never thought about going that.

00:38:46
Speaker 2: ROUTE i think if you anybody would have done it seven or eight years, ago there's a lot of strings that would have kept you attached to certain. Things it was almost, like you, know give to get, it and that you would back in the day when the show will use. Idle for, example BEFORE i was on, it it was like massively pop culture seasons one through, seven, right people watched and you, knew and you rooted and you had but if you won or finished, anywhere they had the rights to keep you and do a lot with, you and that could hurt. You you had all this whatever fame, is but you kind of owed that entity later AND i did four years on. It it was zero percent that but you didn't have as much fame because everything is fractured at this.

00:39:36
Speaker 1: Point fame is so, fractured.

00:39:38
Speaker 2: And so people would, go, HEY i was, thinking AM i doing or auditioning For idol Or The? Voice and, like how much do we have to owe? IT i was, like you, don't, right you have the opportunity if you, win but you don't owe them. Anything AND i also think the stigma of being on one of those shows has fallen a bit because now it's just how can you get as many people to see?

00:40:01
Speaker 1: You? Period, yep that's.

00:40:04
Speaker 2: IT i.

00:40:04
Speaker 1: THINK i do think early on there was maybe a little bit of a big, time you, know And i'd had a record and lost it AND i Think i'm about to get another, one AND i just, YEAH i think that was probably the biggest.

00:40:13
Speaker 2: Thing there was a deserve, stigma right because they cornballed you up on those shows way more than they do, now and they still do a little bit because they need people to sing familiar. Songs but there were certain artists that we'd be like you should singing Original, yeah, yeah and like if they were LIKE i, say artist finger, quotes if they were a, writer if they actually, played if they sang and had the ability and capacity to do and we encourage them to do.

00:40:35
Speaker 1: That AND i even, think, yeah the Last eduardo and some of these people that have come out that are just name, check good. JOB i got. THAT i will, say not THAT i didn't watch it back in the, day BUT i have four daughters and so we have some go tos and, when, yeah When American idol comes, on it's like. Record we watched it as a. Family so, Yeah BUT i think it's not that it wasn't early, on BUT i think the artistry has really been highlighted in a you know What i'm saying.

00:40:58
Speaker 2: Even refreshing to me to be able to allow people to do their own.

00:41:01
Speaker 1: Thing.

00:41:01
Speaker 2: Yep and some people, did couldn't and didn't need to because they were just a good straight ahead.

00:41:05
Speaker 1: Singer AND i also think now we have the enough like history and artists that have come off the show and worked THAT i don't, KNOW i THINK I i'd probably approach it. Differently, now what's up with? You in your first record?

00:41:17
Speaker 2: Deal did you have interest before you moved here or did you come here and then did you do a publishing deal?

00:41:22
Speaker 1: First? That what was a? Process? Yeah so again back to growing up like there was no PLAN. B i grew up playing Around. TEXAS i wanted to be you. KNOW i Loved Randy, Travis Don, Williams George, strait Loved John. Mayer you. Know SO i wrote all my own songs AND i CAME i entered A Naris grammy. SHOWCASE i went to music college Outside. Texas what was that? Thing? Again the Way i'm THE Nars grammy? Showcase and you Know Jesse, ALEXANDER i do she she was a part of that one of the years THAT i was. In BUT i made the finals of. THAT i came to town and how do you do? That do you send a? Song mail of? Songs send a song in That i'd written by, myself And i'd made the of that at like nineteen or, twenty and it got me to town And Jody williams and if you, Know Joey yams RAN bmi. Forever he had me into his. OFFICE i sang and played and then he took me over to play For Tim duboil And Tony brown In. Universal i'm nineteen AND i walk, IN i, PLAYED i played for six seven, people and they offered me a record deal on the. Spot what'd you look? Like what's? Night what what nineteen mat looked? Like you, know, youthful spry hair LIKE i was just thick wavy. Hair, yeah naives all get. Out did you have like a thing? Visually, yeah LIKE i think, COUNTRY i mean not too far off. THIS i MEAN i did used to rock the cowboy hat, more BUT i. DIDN'T i didn't rock it in that, meeting BUT i was just trying to like cowboy, cool you.

00:42:43
Speaker 2: Know iby a little bit like, yeah like young vibey country bybe, yeah like it would be, yeah well cowboy, boots but you, know some a Little james And John mayer mixed in with, there and you, know And i'd written all these songs by, myself and SO i just played.

00:42:57
Speaker 1: It they offer me a record. Deal i'm, Like i'm gonna be famous and always Say, god use that to get me. Here but you, know then you start the journey of then they throw you in the room with like then they throw in your room with like all these like established, writers and you kind of lose You oh, NO i don't want to lose. This you got a.

00:43:11
Speaker 2: Deal by the, way for those that aren't, watching WHEN i say, Vibe matt wears, eyeliners run it.

00:43:15
Speaker 1: Today so it runing a eyeliner. Lipstick it's a, kiss you. Know, No, no he's not at. All but you got a record deal that. Day they offered you a deal that, yes and how does that? Work?

00:43:25
Speaker 2: Yes OR i don't, Know let's look at it for a while and come back to.

00:43:29
Speaker 1: You, Yeah Joe nichols was popping off with The, impossible and you, Know Tony brown had Produced George straight And tim had been At arister for, years and SO i think there was like a credibility to, them And jody had taken me. Off they always, like send the contract. Over but, yeah they gave me a, BOTTLE i, said they, said we want to sign. You they gave me a bottle of champagne THAT i kiss kept. Forever and, yeah and again it opened the door to get. Here BUT i you, KNOW i think they sent a great contract and you, know next, thing you, know these songs that you've written by, yourself then you're in the. STUDIO i just don't THINK i knew WHO i was and enough yet to be, no, no, no this this IS i want, this you. Know then they throw you in the studio With Tony brown and you got a twelve piece band, playing you, know and then they're, like, hey what if? You what if? We you, know listen to a few outside, songs and it just changes from the period you know where it. Started and IF i could go, back you, KNOW i WISH i could do it, differently BUT i wasn't. Ready but obviously it got me, here And i'm grateful for the friendships and the door being open to getting askrew, that but what about as far as, like did you ever put a single? Out? Yes and how what was that? Process and how to DO i put two singles out and they died in the. Forties BUT i did the radio, tour you, Know dean AND i were. TALKING i got, to you, know open up For Taylor, SWIFT, i you, know open up For LADY a And Zach brown, band and did the radio. Tour SO i got a little bit of the, artist play The grand Ol opry a few, times got to experience a little bit of the artist's. Life and but none of them ever took off enough to you, know gain any.

00:45:00
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00:45:12
Speaker 2: And we're back on The Bobby. Cast after the second, Single is that when that relationship ended with the?

00:45:19
Speaker 1: Label, Yeah Mark wright came, in took, over, showcased and we got the word that he was going to drop. ME i think he dropped. Everybody AND i, remember not to be too, REAL i remember getting my car and just being, like all, Right i'm, gonna you, know being super, emotional Like i'm going to go back, home like it's. Over you, know you almost feel like your world's, ending and uh and, uh BUT i. DIDN'T i didn't have anything else THAT i, loved and SO i JUST i think it's a lot of people's. STORY i just stuck around BECAUSE i was, LIKE i love, writing and SO i was, Like i'm. THERE i guess somebody stick, around And i'm GLAD i. Did but it was it was a, painful painful. Journey did you have a publishing deal at the same time or was it within The it was With, jody you, know but you, Know i've had probably, lost had and lost three or four publishing deals BEFORE i even, had you. Know SO i was With jody and lost. IT i was With sony and lost. IT i was with a company Called Black, ink and that's when those years are WHEN i started connecting with you, know the boys From Old dominion And shane And. Josh so there started to be like a little bit of nuggets of you, Know, okay we got a hold and a few things started, happening and THEN i ended up signing With Ashley gorley's Company Tape room And, combustion and we're there now And Warner, No i'm me At warner now. Mainly but, yeah so it's mainly, dang, yeah. DIVERSIFYING i, KNOW i know there's a GREAT i have a writer manager Named Alicia preuett who has a co venture With. Warner so it's you, KNOW i think every songwriter's journey would be would be. Similar but it's a lot of a lot of, songs a lot of publishing, companies people, paying you, know almost for you to learn how to write. Songs it's why That.

00:46:54
Speaker 2: LAMBORGHINI i didn't, Know Druve. Lamborghinia that makes. Sense now times are. Good uh so you almost got to SAY i can do what you. Say you, Did, no never got to, now never got you tried for a while tried for a. While, yeah when do you have that internal, okay the artist. Thing maybe we're gonna put it on, hold or maybe we're not going to pursue that and we're going to, Run.

00:47:13
Speaker 1: Like when does that? Happen? YEAH i think in. CONJUNCTION i started having a few songs Like jacob and cut a song of mine Called heaven that was on His uh what record was that? On? SHOOT i don't know, that but he talked about it being a sing but that that WAS i had a few songs that kind of popped AND i was, Like, okay this songwriter thing is getting some. Life this is Like i'm twenty, five twenty six at this, point and you, know BUT i wrestled for years BECAUSE i felt like the only thing that was success was being a successful artist selling Out Bridge. Stone that was the. Dream and it took. Me it took me years to sort of surrender over time BECAUSE i experienced enough of the artist thing to, go, OKAY i THINK i could be okay writing, songs AND i THINK i had to get to the point WHERE i was, Like i'm not just because As i'm not trying to be an artist on the radio doesn't Mean i'm not an artist. ANYMORE i thought THAT i had to like give that part of me, up AND i was just, Like i'm still an artist. Now i'm JUST i think it was gradual and overtime AND i kind of was, like, hey this is a pretty good life and Now i'm playing more shows THAN i you, know can even play and get to be home ninety five percent of the, time and, yeah write. Songs so It's i'm. GRATEFUL i WOULDN'T i wouldn't change, anything but it. Was it, was, yeah an evolution of letting that go a little. Bit what was your first? Cut? Oh, Shoot heaven was early on you Remember Loving? Theft, yes, yeah they had a song called running out Of. AIR i don't feel that was one of their singles that didn't do. It Wait i'm Running, YEAH i know. That, WAIT i gotta catch my, BREATH i feel big and then hold on and again my. Head how's the hook? Go? Shoot you Would i'm air pull it, up full of.

00:48:55
Speaker 2: Up that's the problem because if you start doing a bunch AND i do this during on my show, too if we're doing like eight songs or talking about songs and they're like singer ahead of litt Lamb i'm Like mary had.

00:49:04
Speaker 1: FORGOT i can't do it too many. Melodies, okay So i'm running. Out yeah, Man i'm almost. There you're. There it's. FUNNY i was in a Home depot a while back and it was. PLAYING i was, like, wow Home depot got the deep.

00:49:16
Speaker 2: Cuts this MIGHT i don't feel like this was that deep, though, Right.

00:49:19
Speaker 1: Yeah it wasn't really a. HIT i mean, IT i know this.

00:49:22
Speaker 2: Is this is my favorite song of. Their, Really i'm gonna run right to you Then I'm gonna run. Away, yeah this is my favorite song of. There the one guy over AND i do it all. Day that's how you get all your, streams this.

00:49:35
Speaker 1: One hold. ON i love this. Song thank, You ye run right To you And I'm gonna run away go. JAM i like to think that song was ahead of its. TIME i really. DO i absolutely. Agree H i go feel it was kind of, fresh but like if it had been a couple of years, later it would have would have.

00:49:59
Speaker 2: Worked it's Like i'm running out of it as a.

00:50:03
Speaker 1: Jam. Dude you know you wrote that.

00:50:05
Speaker 2: One that was. Good my respect for you from like load to. Medium oh thank, You i'm.

00:50:11
Speaker 1: Kidding that's a great. Song, now Thanks, BRO.

00:50:13
Speaker 2: I feel like somebody should cut that, Now, yeah Like heath.

00:50:15
Speaker 1: Or somebody or you, know And i'm.

00:50:17
Speaker 2: Sure or like Jelly, rollers that, guy let's Oh morgan the hit any of?

00:50:23
Speaker 1: Those can you help me with? That So i'm gonna ask this.

00:50:27
Speaker 2: QUESTION i would prefer not to say any names BECAUSE i have friends that do this and. You i'm not asking you to say any, names BUT i do want to talk ABOUT ai for a. Second there are different ways that it's. Utilized difficult lyrically BECAUSE i don't feel LIKE ai IS ai doesn't have the nuance built into you, know we'll call it a regionality of country.

00:50:54
Speaker 1: Music so that's a bit.

00:50:56
Speaker 2: Tough BUT i know folks who can YOU ai to sing the song in their own? Voice, yes on a demo to see if they would like themselves singing.

00:51:06
Speaker 1: It oh. OH i was with somebody the day and they're, like, hey we're writing for Jelly, roll and they're, LIKE i got a jelly roll vocal and Jelly roll loves to HEAR i was thinking of Jelly. Roll, Sorry i'm not today, names but this is like known and so it's like there's not any any like saying, anything and so it's like it is becoming a thing in. TOWN i think the, ARTIST i think initially was, like are people gonna have a weird? Thing BUT i think it's become a little a little more regular now and so it, Is, man what a weird world like warp. Speed this literally happened. Overnight, well they're also not putting the song out, yes with THE ai. Voice so.

00:51:43
Speaker 2: What from my understanding And i've heard some of this, too if THE ai you can write a song and have that version of that person's voice sing that song and see then you can listen to it to see if you would like to sing that. Song and that's just using a.

00:51:57
Speaker 1: Tool what do you think about The Randy? Travis he's one of my. Heroes what are your? You?

00:52:01
Speaker 2: Maybe, OKAY i Think randy is different than Another i'll Talk randy. Specifically. Yeah first of, ALL i think it's pretty.

00:52:08
Speaker 1: Cool and what it did is it gave him a.

00:52:10
Speaker 2: Voice it, first it introduced people to the idea good or, bad of WHAT ai could, do BECAUSE i don't think really there was an understanding because it wasn't so much front and center of HOW ai would work and allow an artist or there are people in kind of my business who will ai their commercials because they have all their.

00:52:29
Speaker 1: Sounds you know that you can sit in the.

00:52:31
Speaker 2: ROOM i haven't done, it not Because i'm too good for, it but BECAUSE i just don't want to admit That i've done, it because as soon AS i do, It i'll admit where they have you going room and uh la, ba you're doing all these sounds and you're saying, words and then they can make any commercial with your.

00:52:45
Speaker 1: Voice it sounds ninety three percent.

00:52:47
Speaker 2: Right the fact that you could take and make a song from old, recordings old you, know uh voice, CLIPS i think it would made people, go, wow who knew you could do? That and then some of them were, like, wow that's. Crazy that doesn't feel like real, hard that doesn't feel. Whatever SO i thought that was a great introduction to what the technology. Is AND i think For randy, specifically WHY i did like it for him is he can't. SING i think it's different if it's an artist that can who's just, like let's just make it and put it.

00:53:23
Speaker 1: Out AND i, think, yeah to connect to, YOU i think what you're, SAYING i just don't think. PEOPLE i think people especially, now are Create we crave, authenticity AND i think that the human even the air thing that we talked, about the Coby kola thing and THE i think, people you, know it's like IF i KNEW ai wrote a, BOOK i don't want TO i don't want to read. IT i don't know there's something IF i knew it was AN ai, vocal it JUST i think the humanity of connecting with the flaws and maybe, GUITAR i don't, KNOW i connect with. That SO i think, listeners if there's a label in the future this IS, AI i think people will not consume. IT i. Don't but, again if it's some background musical piece on Planet earth or something where it's like this was A i generated or to, me that's. Different BUT i think this is where you align To it's, like, HEY i think there's spaces that it. Works but when it comes to writing lyric and the humanity and the sole, PART i just don't think it can do what humans can. Do and SO i just don't think listeners in the audience WILL i don't, know support.

00:54:28
Speaker 2: It it's a word that's not used, often especially in today's, climate but there's nuance with.

00:54:33
Speaker 1: It, yeah you, know we're not a big nuance culture.

00:54:36
Speaker 2: Nowadays but, YEAH i also think it will get so good where they can make it sound quote more. Authentic AND i would COMPARE ai to like a book ghost. Writer if you get a great, ghostwriter nobody knows that the person didn't even write the. Book and if they think the person writes the book wrote the, book they love the book even.

00:54:58
Speaker 1: Though the person didn't write.

00:54:59
Speaker 2: It, yeah IF ai can eventually do, that which probably at some point we'll be able, to you, know will.

00:55:06
Speaker 1: Laws require there to be a, tag and, yeah it'll be. Different But i'd fake the crap out of. It IF i could sing yeah doing your, SHOW i would just turn there's a hologrammy you do in your show in the. Morning, okay so it's funny you bring that. Up so pandemics messed up my.

00:55:25
Speaker 2: Years but right before the, pandemic the year before the, pandemic nineteen, nineteen, yep Uh Ross, Kauferman i'm very close To ross And Nicole gallion us three got together and wrote a whole bunch of songs and it WASN'T. Ai but my idea WAS i wanted to create a holographic basically artist but tour opener that could be The Baby act and a baby act at the same time on a bunch of. Tours so it was gonna be a, hologram and but all the songs be written by. Us we're gonna be sung by, Us so we're gonna write them all and we're gonna build this thing.

00:55:59
Speaker 1: Out and then.

00:56:02
Speaker 2: They was gonna go out and be the open or opener or like instead of A dj you. Have it was Called Neon people and so and and there's a few songs. Up we ended up having to shell but Because nicole got the sort of being the president of that record. Label but we wrote for like three. Months we wrote all these. Songs they're really good Because ross And nicole, LIKE i was, LIKE i have this great. Idea and then we would secretly ride and we put them under fake names AND i don't and that WASN'T, ai but that, was you, know, Technical we were going to use. Technology and that came to. Me it came to me in a, dream not. REALLY i was watching like Sixty minutes or, something and In japan they had a massive pop star that was a. Hologram, okay AND i, thought, Okay i've seen. Holograms i've seen hologams Like elvis And tupac and doing their. Thing but what if we created a new one and actually wrote for country and made it inexpensive to have go around and be a.

00:56:56
Speaker 1: Part of a tour and not have to be. There it's also, lazy LIKE i want to go do it and get to be and why. NOT i think if people know what it is up the front on the front, END i think that's well, YEAH.

00:57:06
Speaker 2: I mean they definite wouldn't think it was anybody there because it was gonna be a. Computer but, yeah so it's pull this, Up neil p p l is how we spelled, people and we worked on it forever and you're right About.

00:57:17
Speaker 1: Ross that, dude he's he's he's a, genius Brilliant and So nicole sang the song but like.

00:57:27
Speaker 2: And we never really got to go public with it because before we were, Done nicle and she was like she couldn't do.

00:57:32
Speaker 1: It it's a conflict of. Interest but it was, like.

00:57:39
Speaker 2: So it's definitely. Vibe wasn't super, traditional but still was like, regionally.

00:57:48
Speaker 1: He's just a fat dad is getting loose Up christmas this fal.

00:58:04
Speaker 2: So we did so we did a bunch and Then nicole got too big for a bridges. Cool so she was going to be the voice she was she Wrote okay big TO i mean she got to be the president of record.

00:58:13
Speaker 1: Label like literally yeah yeah she was.

00:58:15
Speaker 2: This we would sit and write and we would just sing them right, then And ross's writing.

00:58:20
Speaker 1: House, wow what a new front. HERE i, Mean i'm STILL i think we're all evolving our thoughts on. It and it's, Like i'll be curious in our world and legislation like did they put up? Boundaries you? Know and and like you, said, Tags but, man what a wild thing that we could have a future pop star that is just Created and people, go, HEY i Love it's visually created all the, sounds BUT i LOVE i love. It and my kids are jamming to in the. Car it's like that feels like it's.

00:58:46
Speaker 2: Coming running out of air neon people both ahead of their freaking. Tippens we talked about this before you got, here but we're doing this music night live where you're going to.

00:58:58
Speaker 1: Sing so this is you singing your? Song, yeah how did they approach you to do? This? Yeah so such a Cool nashville. STORY i was at a friend's house who was a great. Friend he's a musician and one of his friends there was There dean Cell and and we hit it off and we were talking And dean sort of shared his vision of. This he had moved, here and you know in, town we have, this you, know for the, listeners like these songwriter nights Which i've alluded to. Earlier it's at The bluebird or the listening room in people's houses where you go, here you, know, two, three four songwriters share the stories behind the songs and play and sing them in their own sort of original. Way And dean had seen one of these songwriter nights at somebody's house and was just saying How moody was by, it and he loved, it and you, know he Had dean had a history in film and, broadcast and he just, said, HEY i have this idea of broadcasting a songwriter night live to movie theaters Around. America so if you live in you, know middle Of nebraska or you, Know kansas or wherever you, know you can go to your Movie, texas you can go to your movie theater and see experience the live songwriter night at your local movie. Theater and SO i thought it was a brilliant. Idea and, yeah we met a few times and, he you, know just had the vision and has gone all the way and obviously gotten some incredible songwriters involved With Brat james And Kelly archer and yourself being involved in some great team and so it's coming to Life march. Eighth, Yeah so this is the week of, it, Right.

01:00:28
Speaker 2: Mike so it's This saturday night at seven Pm. Central it's live in all time zones, though so live in all times. Zones does that mean it's gonna be Eight, eastern Seventh central or does that mean it's going to be seven in all time?

01:00:40
Speaker 1: Zones do we, Know? Mike do we?

01:00:43
Speaker 2: Know? So so Eight, eastern Seventh, central Six, Mountains, Okay, yeah having a syndicated show where times are all, different it's all, Okay so Eight, eastern, yeah Seventh, central Six, mountain Five.

01:00:55
Speaker 1: Pacific, yeah go to the.

01:00:57
Speaker 2: Theater you can look it up to it's Thet Them entertainment WHAT i know them from is Like phantom of The opera and you watch like A broadway show live.

01:01:04
Speaker 1: There do you know what you're gonna play? It you? Know, yes some of the songs you, LISTED i mean we you, know obviously had to get some stuff. Approved so you'll, hear, yeah you'll hear By, dirt how that? Happened and you know cop car setting the world on.

01:01:17
Speaker 2: Fire i'll sing the pink part of you, HAPPY i need, YOU i need, you bring you, in swoop you, in out of the, theater, happy anywhere you. Know and there might even be a song or Two Travis dinnings, Song, abby if you know that SONG i wrote, THAT i might play.

01:01:29
Speaker 1: That and my name Is, abby SO i don't, know yeah that that that. List so it's gonna. Be it's gonna be a FUN i, mean Obviously Brett jesus take The whill And kelly so many. Hits so it's gonna. Be and you, know the cool thing about these these nights is everyone's, different but there is you, know you play and sing together and there's just sort of a magic that. Happens and So i'm excited for people Around america that can't be In nashville get to experience the specialness of these nights in their. Town, yeah it's.

01:01:59
Speaker 2: COOL i think sometimes we get so used to it we forget how cool it.

01:02:02
Speaker 1: Is you'll see these. SONGWRITERS i was gonna, say, guys but there's a woman. Too but guys who wrote these massive.

01:02:13
Speaker 2: Songs hear the story behind, it and then also sing it the way that you kind of wrote, it which is always cool because it's always a bit different the way that it was kind of. Created so, YEAH i hope people. Come and we talked about it way earlier before you got. Here and then also and down on the notes on the podcast you can see more information and you can definitely look it up and come it's gonna it's gonna be really great and they're gonna do a replay of it on the eleventh as, Well, Tuesday march, eleventh seven Pm local.

01:02:41
Speaker 1: Time what do you do for? Fun? Like what's? Fun? Man great question obviously when you're when you got four? Kids So I'M i have a thirteen almost, eleven nine and, seven So i'm like later TODAY i, AM i have A i'm a soccer practice to go. To i'm one of the coaches on a basketball. Team SO i mean a lot of stuff feels fills that, Boy BUT i love to love to fly fish big sports. Fan and so how tall are? You six?

01:03:07
Speaker 4: Four?

01:03:08
Speaker 1: YEAH i used to play. BASKETBALL i stink it's, boys that's. Crazy when'd you get? Tall? Oh shoot? Me you, know my dad's six foot SO i don't know where it's. From my mom's a little. Taller so what about you grandparents?

01:03:18
Speaker 2: Anything?

01:03:19
Speaker 1: Message, No, no when did you Grow when were you bigger than everybody? Else probably tenth? Grade kind of shot? Up pretty good basketball, Player pretty. Good, YEAH i probably could have GONE d two college. Basketball you didn't want to it at? All, NO i JUST i had the love of music AND i wanted to chase. That so BUT i still. Play you, know you Know Ashley goreley had has a last.

01:03:38
Speaker 2: Night they called, me can you come? Play it's eight. PM i can't do anything eight. PM i wake up in the.

01:03:42
Speaker 1: MORNING i used to run at his place all the, time and so there's there's a few. Crews i've kind of gone in and out of retirement a few.

01:03:48
Speaker 2: TIMES i worry about my eight cels and seals at this point, exactly not twenty, Five So i'd hurt them the same IF i was twenty.

01:03:55
Speaker 1: Five it was just hell one. Time now, Nothing. Hills did you grow up playing?

01:03:59
Speaker 2: BALL i grew up playing a lot of, all but just not that. Great i'm a better athlete now THAN i was as a. KID i grew way later in. Life, YEAH i didn't start growing till like eight months. AGO i was five to three until like eight months ago and then all of a, sudden but, yeah, yeah Like i'm big sports.

01:04:14
Speaker 1: Guys you have favorite? Team you have favorite? Team? Now oh You cowboys? Fan, big die Hard cowboys?

01:04:19
Speaker 2: Fan like?

01:04:19
Speaker 1: Painful, yeah, yeah it's. Painful a few Decades ranger, Fan mavericks. Fans we just traded a. Little oh my, gosh that's even worse than Pain but, yeah those Are. YEAH i got some college, teams but, yeah The texas Mainly cowboys are like My but do you play any basketball at? All? Now? Yeah every now and Then i'll, go, yeah run At ashley's or go to the y or but not not a. Ton we have a little we have a we have a goal in our driveway THAT i shoot with my. Girls they play that's. Yeah are they? Tall they're? Tall, yeah they have. It, yeah they have. It my nine year old's really good and so it's fun To my thirteen year old's, tall but she just didn't have a love for. It but my nine year old loves. It So i'm, like let's. Go you ever play? Pickleball i've. Never THAT'S i got to get into. It i'm actually seen some videos And i'm, LIKE i, know it's like the. Thing so you are you a big? Pickleballer?

01:05:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah and the floor is pretty, high meaning if you're halfway, decent you can get halfway decent pretty. Quick uh now the ceiling's really, high but you can get mid really. Quick pretty. Good, YEAH i play, enough But i'm pretty. Good and we have a we have had a court built back here that you may have. Seen we own part of a professional picktball, team which is kind of, fine and so we've lost a lot of money so. Far SO i don't don't be. That, yeah don't be jealous or, anything but, yeah, like, Yeah i'm into. It for, me it's the competitive itch WHEN i can't BECAUSE i can't play golf much Because i'm So i'm just.

01:05:46
Speaker 1: Busy, yeah golf is four. Hours, yeah it is a. Commitment you. Know it's. Funny you have a few. Buddies the thing THAT i love about, pickleball and it's similar to golf but like maybe. Tennis but you go and they're, like, hey like sixty year old ladies are like working twenty year old. Dudes so it's it's like it really is like you, know the skill of it and the, iye hand coordination of it, is you, know especially in.

01:06:06
Speaker 2: Doubles pickleball allows you to play doubles and be. Old, YEAH i crush some of your old. Lady though there ain't a. Seven i'm going to put this challenge. Out, please let's tell them about. It ladies sixty or old or in, PICKABLE i will beat.

01:06:17
Speaker 1: YOU i will.

01:06:17
Speaker 2: DEMOLISH i don't care if you're sixty and, ABOVE i will play you and.

01:06:20
Speaker 1: Demolish, hey what was that like famous tennis match Between battle of The sexes that the sexes we should do.

01:06:26
Speaker 2: That let's get like Only, no, no if you're sixty and, ABOVE i will and you're a, FEMALE i will pound you in.

01:06:33
Speaker 1: Pickleball raise some money for. Charity, yes find me anybody heck or seventy AND i make it easier or seventy and. Above, yeah you'd like, It, yeah because you can play it pretty.

01:06:44
Speaker 2: Quick, hey, MAN i really appreciate you coming over, Right.

01:06:47
Speaker 1: Thanks, Man Thanks, Hey AND i just want to, say, Man i'm thank you for being such a champion of. Songwriters And i've been a fan just you, know on the on your, show just you, know you hear a song and you you believe in it and you'll and you'll blast it and create a play form for songwriters to be have a voice and be you, know people. Know i'm so thank you, man thanks for honor to be on and thank you for what you. DO i appreciate. That and can you?

01:07:09
Speaker 2: Sing?

01:07:10
Speaker 1: Yeah still you shall have? It oh, yeah not right.

01:07:11
Speaker 2: NOW i don't want to think but, like, yeah you're gonna do this like people are doing. IT i want to get nervous and be, like oh my, god a little traumatic the old.

01:07:18
Speaker 1: Days, No, no you're, GOOD i got. It, okay just make. It i'll be ready music, night let's.

01:07:22
Speaker 2: Go if you, like tug your ear, Twice i'll run in, okay, yes and lend vocals that would be minus and do. This AND i only sing in the key OF g, okay so everything needs to be IN.

01:07:31
Speaker 1: G OR i can't do. It we'll just well maybe a little run out of air and, Dude i'll be ready to. Go let's.

01:07:35
Speaker 2: GO i wasn't.

01:07:39
Speaker 1: Lying that song's of. Jam thank, you? Bro were you? SURPRISED i knew it? Though that dude YOU i mean you did to Show nashville and run out of? Air you know your? Stuff?

01:07:45
Speaker 2: IMPRESSED i know the stuff THAT i. KNOW i don't know all of, it just the stuff THAT i. Know, mike anything But.

01:07:50
Speaker 1: Matt we're all.

01:07:50
Speaker 2: Good, okay you guys Follow matt At matt K jenkins uh and then come get tickets at music night dot. Com we talked about the. Beginning i'll mention it one more. Time music night Dot. Com notes are down in the podcast. Notes we'd love for you to come see it because if you do that means we'll probably get to do it. Again, yep and that's the. Goal, yes we're not just doing this is one. Time we want to have a career of doing this every. Week we want to Do Music night theaters Across. America All, right that's, It thank You, matt and we will see you guys next. Time thanks for listening to A Bobby cast.

01:08:21
Speaker 1: Production