Mailbag: Draft Best Fits, First to Worst Teams, Pet Heaven!

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where finally the Claymates the clay bon Vivons will be satiated after walking through a desert of Clay bond less shows. I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. It is so good to be back here with Patrick and Jordan rod rig We're here. It's it's been a couple of weeks since we've all been here in the studio together. And I missed you.

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Speaker 3: Written by the clay bonnie Vers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh love that Uh favorite one. I say in an upcoming episode of Forties and Free Agents coming on Tuesday with myself, Dana Jeremiah, and Mina Kimes that they were my two favorite ESPN employees. But it was only because I was looking at them at the time I forgot about Patrick Patrick's number one. Sorry to everyone else, Sorry for that man.

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Speaker 2: In full disclosure, to peel back the curtain a little bit, when Greg says that he's taping forties. I cannot get the image of Red taping forty ounces.

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Speaker 4: To his hand.

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Speaker 5: It's called the game, is called Edward forty. You must finish the forty to be untaped.

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Speaker 2: And that's what every single time Greg, Greg constantly says that he shakes it the forties.

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Speaker 1: I don't know I say that. That's an exciting Tuesday. It's a long, it's a long named forties and free agent. It's a mouthful. We have a little bit of news today, but today's going to be a draft centric mail bag show. So I'm really excited to get to all these questions that we took from our great listeners on Twitter and Blue Sky and Instagram. So that's coming quick. But let's hit some news. There was there were a few trades, trade trade items. Dantavian Wicks is a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. How about that the Eagles sent two picks away a fifth rounder this year and a sixth rounder in twenty two twenty seven. I think the most interesting part of the item, Jordan, is that Wick signed a one year extension for I believe up to twelve million dollars with the Eagles into twenty twenty seven. What do you make of this maneuvering before the draft.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they are setting themselves up so they don't have to quote unquote draft hungry, as the GMS like to say. I personally don't care much for that phrasing, but they basically saying, Hey, we need to keep replenishing this position, and so we're going to do that with a sort of a maybe high upside player that we think we can get the most out of and take a flyer on, and then probably still try to hit that position in the draft as well, but with less need.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's a player we've seen play at a high level that can exceed in a circumstance where he's kind of overshadowed by the other receiving options, it's Dontavian Wicks. And the idea that you could use a twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six or seven draft pick in the fifth round and like have a high likelihood of getting Dontavian Wicks. That's that's a pretty hilarious idea. You can get them now, I'll go ahead and get Well.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm a simpleton, but I was surprised neither of you brought up the name aj Brown here. I mean, it does feel like it's priming the pump for the most expected move of the offseason, which would be AJ Brown getting traded potentially after June first, and that this is one of maybe a few moves that the Eagles would make in preparation for that possibly happening. They have a better idea of whether that's happening or not. But maybe Wicks plus a draft pick, plus DeVante Smith and what else they have and then okay, that's a receiver group.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's what I kind of took, even a step over what I think a lot of people are expecting to happen. All the you know, all the insiders and everyone, they've been reporting this for forever, that they are expected to if a trade does happen, it would happen after June first, to just help with.

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Speaker 3: The Eagles cap.

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Speaker 5: But this is a step beyond that step, which is now you don't go into the draft saying Okay, now I really need to find another guy. Instead, now you have another complimentary player to keep building this passing game around.

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Speaker 1: I really liked and Ton Tavian Wick's coming into last season. I think he's got some real juice after the catch. He makes difficult catches. Packers fans think he's like a little inconsistent as a receiver or whatever. But to me, he's a high ceiling guy. And the thing I wanted to find out about this extension was is there any guaranteed money here? It is not up to It is a very interesting contract that you just give a one year, twelve and a half million dollar extension that if there's not much guaranteed money or any which might be the indication since it hasn't been reported. I mean, that's a great piece of work for the Eagles and they'll have a guy under control for like not that much money, and if it doesn't work out, then then he's not on the route.

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Speaker 2: Which is why I'm skeptical to see this as a Oh this means that X is going to happen. I think this is a tremendous opportunity for just this to happen, and how he does it again.

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Speaker 1: They also have Hollywood Brown I kind of forgot is on this roster in addition to some of their it happens the world's foremost Hollywood Brown hater.

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Speaker 4: This is unfair.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you were not enjoying his time with the Ravens, and I feel like you've held it onto you closely since he doesn't do that. Kenny Moore, Kenny Moore is probably going to get traded. The Colts are reportedly looking to trade the longtime slot cornerback. I think it's helped to define the position. Got a good contract a couple of years ago, but costs a lot of money. And judging by the quote that he gave Stephen Holder of ESPN, where it was like it's all good, the fact that it's positioned as a mutually agreed to seek trade. Just the tone of that quote made it sound like it was more maybe the Colts idea than Kenny Moore's.

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Speaker 5: I mentioned to you guys earlier before we started taping that when I was out there in Indianapolis this this past season, it was very much a vibe that there was going to be some tough decisions coming. This was before they started just imploding to the level that they did. The defense was already shaky. Sauce Gardner was not really playing for them with the injury at that time, and you just got the sense that there was a couple of veterans that they were probably going to move on from this offseason. There's a lot of conversation, a lot of chatter about upcoming tough decisions and removing the personal, you know, friendships because it is a very close knit organization, so removing the friendships with longtime players I Franklin obviously being one of them as well, and moving into a new direction and what that was going to look like and what that was going to take.

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Speaker 3: So I do think that it's interesting.

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Speaker 5: It's it's Chris Ballard kind of hanging on for dear life and trying to shed the previous iteration and kind of make room I think for a little bit younger guys.

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Speaker 1: Thirty one year old, coming off a little bit of an injury, but one of the best at what he does in the league. He's due about ten million dollars, so that's that's an okay contract, but a position that people like to pay for. So just an interesting name to watch. The fact that they put it out there like this makes me think like if for whatever reason they couldn't find anyone to trade for him, like he would be a cut candidate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, last year was the first season since twenty seventeen where he didn't play up to ninety percent of the team snaps on defense, and to me, he kind of highlights that because we had a lot of discussions about disgruntled players and other things and how that impacts things. You can also be a player that's you know, given a lot for an organization for a very long time and then they dump you at an inopportune Tom and so we see, you know, one side of the coin there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he, I mean he was there, Walter Payton guy. I mean it just he put a lot of He put a lot, He puts a lot into that community. It's this is a tough one for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no sentiment from the team either. I mean he got he got a nice contract again, but he was a great success story for them. But he's gonna be on someone else's team. It looks like in twenty twenty six, just a couple other items. Cowboys defensive back Marquispell He's played some safety for them and was arrested on drug possession charges during a traffic stop in the Dallas area. A search uncovered less than two ounces of marijuana, and so that could impact his playing status. Jack Jones, former NFL Daily guest and fun instigator is on the forty nine ers. I'm looking forward to forty nine ers Jack Jones being part of my life. I just have a feeling Jack Jones will be front and center, good or bad, on some primetime game making things happen. And then a report from our very own Ali Connolly related to the draft about Reuben Bain, the projected top ten ish pass rusher for the Miami Hurricanes, was involved in a twenty twenty four car accident in which a passenger was incapacitated, was immediately in a coma, and then which later died being was behind the wheel. It was at four as there was a police crash report that stated being a quote operated the vehicle in a careless or negligent manner, but then they later found no criminal liability. The second incident was reported separately to Ali over a year later, also for careless driving, and the police report would indicate that that also included an accident. When this was reported, we heard from a lot of Draft knicks insiders, different people. Albert Brierro was one, Todd McShay was another. Like teams have known this for a while, this is not news to anyone in fact, the Lions GM Brad Holmes spoke publicly on Monday and said, yeah, we knew about this already, so this will not impact our evaluation of Rubin beIN junior. I think the question and he had some quotes from different people in the league of just how upfront has he been about these incidents when he was commune indicating with the teams, because that that could impact him. If anything is going to I suspect it's it's not gonna have a big impact on his status, which obviously is secondary. But the report of again getting cited for careless driving in the middle of the Hurricanes run last year in October, you know, is something I'm sure teams are going to be looking into. Let's get to our Let's get to our mailbag. We haven't hit the draft in this sort of just like free willing, let's hit a lot of topics at once way, and so I thought mail bag would be a fun way to get there. Let's go our first one is from a bro fish, he said. He says, love the pod compliment. We'll get you everywhere, We'll get you up first. Who are the players and who are the players that teams would trade up for in this class, what teams will you have to get in front of? And I think it raises like a larger question of yeah, is this that kind of class that there are guys that you would trade up for. Traditionally those are quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And traditionally to me, they are players who are some of the best in their particular situations. Now, a lot of times teams will draft based on need, which can get a little dicey. I think that you've got to get past Cincinnati to get a chance at Kylen Downs.

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Speaker 4: I think if if.

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Speaker 2: We're asking we're talking about the best football players in this draft, you know, Jeremiah Love and Caleb Downs are up there for me, and so those are the guys that I think you need to trade past teams that want, or not necessarily need, but want a safety of the running back.

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Speaker 1: And I think with both of them, it's a good answer. Because I also wrote down the Bengals seem like this stopping point of like, well, the Ohio State guys won't get past them, you know, And maybe this class, when you take out the tackles where I don't think a lot of people really believe that they're premier talents. But still could go in the top ten. Once you get past about the top seven or eight players, there's a drop off. Now that's said because of positional value. If Jeremiah Love or Caleb Downs, for instance, fallaways, that's where you could see someone trading up from like twelve to nine, or from fifteen, or from twenty one to fifteen. If if Downs is going that far beyond that, I don't. I don't think it's a draft where you're really trading up for players.

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Speaker 5: I don't either, But I also think sort of combining both of what both of you guys said, I really see could see a scenario where an early run gets going on these offensive linemen and teams start to get a little fidgety or panicky, either for one of these offensive linemen or because players premiere players such as Camplin Downs or even Jeremiah Love, who I don't expect to fall. But teams aren't often going to I mean, they're going to game theory out significantly what it would mean to trade for a quote unquote non premium.

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Speaker 3: Position, which we'll talk about later.

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Speaker 5: I saw the question, and I feel like, if but if an starts, it's either potentially to get back up at one of these offensive linemen, or because teams way at the bottom are seeing players of that caliber drop because of a run on I would say offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably the tackles, and it's not the sexiest storyline, but I do kind of think where the tackles go is going to inform so much the change greg of this first round. Well, I don't think this is I think normally it'd be cool to talk about tackles and everything, but I think this is like a tackle class that people aren't really in love with and are just pushing it up because it's not a good draft class in general. Overall. That's the that's just the reality of it. But you never know. If a guy like David Bailey or if Arvara Reeves just slips down a couple spots, maybe maybe someone would trade up one or two spots. Let's go to the next question. It's a two parter. Oh from our friend Eric, Eric eighteen Utah. If Seattle or Denver drafted Jonah Coleman, I see a top fifteen running back that's interesting, Jonah cole and kind of a workman like, maybe a Kyrin Williams like running back. But if you get the right spot. You could be fantasy gold. What is a team player match that you love? That was actually from a bit three Buffalo on Instagram. Eric asked, are the favorite wide receiver player and team match? And so I kind of combine these questions. It's just like player match questions.

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Speaker 5: If any standout As an aside, I really want one of these user names to be like a really dirty pun that you accidentally read out loud, just not realizing.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that would be the most you thing ever to have happened.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I put Jadarian Price, the running back out of Notre Dame. I matched him to Jacksonville. They love Basil Tuton a lot. We know this, but they also are a staff in an organization that's gonna want two really solid running backs, and I don't think they are afraid of doubling up on that position early on, not in the first You know, they don't have a first round pick, so I I could imagine them getting aggressive for a player he could really contribute early on.

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Speaker 3: And then the receiver.

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Speaker 5: The receiver and team player match from Eric eighteen utah Omar Cooper of Indiana with Clint Kubiak's Raiders because the yards after the catch, and he kind of feels forty nine er Z to me and that scheme fit.

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Speaker 3: So I like him to the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: That would be fun. They'd probably have to what trade back up for him.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess you don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe depends on how teams field about him. I think there's probably a couple of different camps with regards to some Indiana players in that like, wow, these guys were coach very great, or wow, this is just a coalition of dudes, and we'll see how teams feel about him.

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Speaker 4: I think Spencer Founo to the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have Myoga Mayola there, but I think Fano to the Chiefs will be a great matchup, especially with the way they want to play with Kenneth Walker and wait for Patrick to be back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I'm thinking too of the trade up. Guys like venga Ione could also be a guy just because he's so far ahead of maybe every other guard in the class and maybe a lot of people's top offensive lineman in general.

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Speaker 5: Some player matches, this is one where I bet you had fun with it.

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Speaker 1: Greg Casey conception on the Rams I mean, I love concept she on. I don't think thirteen is too high to take them. I think that unless they take tackle, I feel like that that is a wide open spot there, and so I'm immediately thinking, yeah, like offense, him going to the Cowboys or Rams early to me would be fun. I think people look at the Cowboys and they think, well, ceedee lamb George Pickens, like they're set. George Pickens is very possibly not a long term Cowboy, and I think more receivers better, you know, like it's a great thing if you have three different guys who could be versatile in that way. And then I love CJ. Allen. I'm going to talk about him on the forties and free agents coming up linebacker from Georgia, and if he fell all the way to the Texans is kind of like maybe the next he's outside here that would be great. But also if he made it to Todd Bowles as Bucks or Brian Flores's Vikings and is at eighteen nineteen, I think he is worth a pick that high. I think he's a really explosive, like fun player and they would know how to use him. So I think like that combination would be fun. I think he's a little underrated in this class. All right, next one, who is your favorite draft prospect you've ever evaluated? This is from Hortz and all on Ig.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mine, of course played college football in the state of Kentucky. And you may think are gonna say lebar, No, it's josh heinz Island. There was so much discussion about Bosa in that draft, and you know this was I. You know, I still watch a lot of SEC football, but I was still like habitually watching so much SEC football and that first Kentucky win over Florida in twenty five years just watching him play, I'm like, this is it. This is it, and all of the Bosa comps in everything is like there was this vast gap. I thought that you were going to be able to get in that same quality player there and vindicated I was right.

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Speaker 1: The key is being right.

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Speaker 5: Yea's so I picked mine that way too, although I.

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Speaker 1: Guess I didn't incredible because one I was wrong about, but it still is my favorite.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Okay, Mine a little personal too, tinged to it too, Patrick, because I appreciated being right about this one, but in not the way you would have thought. Because I think everybody knew that Christian McCaffrey was going to be a good NFL player, if not a great NFL player. However, there was so much conversation that was so irritating about Christian McCaffrey when he was coming out and certainly up into that Heisman campaign as well. And you remember the narrative, narratives like he couldn't run between the tackles and all these things that I remember going through, like snap by snap, and actually he was the first player. This was my first full full season I had the previous season a little bit of it, my first full season and off season covering the NFL as a porter, and that was my first like real snap by snap charting that I did for pre draft stuff. And I was like so angry that this narrative then and then even.

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Speaker 3: Carried through into the.

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Speaker 5: Like story that I did at the Athletic about a Heisman voter literally telling Christian McCaffrey he didn't vote for him because he didn't watch enough of his games in college because they were on too late at night, which me, being the petty person that I am, led me to do a snap by snap study of how what percentage of his snaps actually did come at night. Eighty seven percent of his snaps came after ten thirty pm Eastern time. It's a statistic. I will never ever forget he was robbed and I still, well.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not.

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Speaker 4: It turns out they were both good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah wait who and the heisman Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing. Yeah, No, he wasn't. He wasn't robbed like as I say, our King, Derrick Henry. There's no way, however it is really it was a really like great exercise for me in all seriousness of actually going through the fact finding process at the NFL level.

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Speaker 3: I was very, very inexperienced at the time.

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Speaker 1: I always remember watching that draft class in terms of the running backs like one after another and was just like, wait, what's good? What Like Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon was such a good prospect. I mean he had the off field stuff, but as a player, like it was crazy. I was like, Alvin Kamaris is gonna go where, Christian McCaffrey's gonna go where. And then he actually went higher than people expecting all those guys. He went top eight, and not all of them, because Leonard Fournette goes fourth overall, atop that class, but then Dalvin Cook. In the later rounds you had James Connor and Aaron Jones. That is a sick.

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Speaker 5: People could argue all they want about the Fornette Fournette did when he was at his best in the NFL. You cannot criticize him too much.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I can.

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Speaker 1: He was like an average starter at his best, Like he wasn't a bad player, but they took him over Patrick Mahomes, Miles.

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Speaker 5: Jack was Listen, you can criticize the teams do that, but that was a badass class overall.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I just being like in a class where you had McCaffrey sitting right there. I think I think it's okay to criticize him a little bit that you took the inferior player at the same.

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Speaker 5: Position you could criticize the team greg and as I'm saying, the player badasses.

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Speaker 1: Fournette was solid. He was good. He super Bowl winner, super Bowl winner. He can't take that away. I think I think we all are showing our like you always remember your first like when you were just starting out, maybe in the business.

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Speaker 3: The first one you were right about, like the.

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Speaker 1: First one and j Cutler definitely wasn't my first because that's a few drafts in for when I was working at road World. But I just remember the wars that were being waged of like the j Cutler hive back then, who was like, no, he's actually better than Liner and and Vince Young, and he ended up going very high. He he was a fascinating prospect to watch because he had nothing around him at Vanderbilt and you were like, Wow, this guy is incredible. So Cutler Cutler stands out to me. But similar to that Robert Quinn at UNC because like I think, I tend to face her guys who have just such incredible first step suddenness, because that doesn't take maybe the greatest scout in the world to be able to see. And you could see that with Robert Quinn, A. J. Green and Julio at in college were just kind of like outrageous players. I'm throwing out a lot of people and then what I was totally wrong about, But I will always defend because I still think it was a better pro than people realize. It was Ronnie Brown at Auburn. I just love Ronnie Brownburn. I think that is a hell of a player. I feel like I mean he got taken two overall? Would they would they draft him that way again? But I think he was much better as a pro than people really realized that anyways, change the game, all right, I'm standing behind my Ronnie Brown and Drake may honestly take me in the mix. Even before he got taken by the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: Season, Oh my god, the argument was will he go one or two? Right?

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Speaker 1: Really? Well, I'm just saying it's just said favorite. I'm not saying I was on a.

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Speaker 2: The haters and the doubters said Drake by will never amount to anything.

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Speaker 1: This isn't about the I'm saying, like, who is this the most the most fun to watch? I mean, Lamar was up there too. I didn't wear a lot of doors there.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to be a homer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of daughters there. You have the number one pick in the draft, but you have to only draft based on coolest name in this class. Who would it be? And this is from Brandon Lori Wrights on Twitter. Coolest name number one pick, Patrick, it's.

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Speaker 2: Casey Consceepsi on That is cool? I think because there's also a disambigation on on on Wikipedia because there's a Filipino actress and singer also named Casey E.

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Speaker 4: Concepts you on. That's how cool the name is.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 5: It's like an inception, like you can you can I like names, or you can make puns out of him the first time he gets behind a defense.

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Speaker 3: We could call it inceptsy on. You know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like people are over things.

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Speaker 3: Just slip through their conscious a lot of like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, drops, yeah, drops are important, They're not that sticky.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Torello's dropped a lot of passes too.

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Speaker 5: Mine was I didn't really have to do a deep dive on this. This was the most movie star ass type.

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Speaker 1: Football, right. If you have my number one pick.

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Speaker 5: Too, Sonny style, I know, I don't overthink it.

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Speaker 1: What a freaking name.

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Speaker 4: How much it sounds like a fake name of the football cool.

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Speaker 1: And the cool thing is when you hear him and when you think about his plane profile, he feels and sounds like a sunny Styles, which is he's kind of like low wattage but very much in control, almost like like Keanu reeves in an act in like an action, like he's not gonna say much, but he's a total badass. That's sunny styles.

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Speaker 3: I just I love it.

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Speaker 1: That was my pick too. Some Monoae mentions Jennings Dunker, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: That's cool.

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Speaker 1: Offensive lineman D'Angelo Ponds.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, smaller cornerback type, D'Angelo the.

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Speaker 3: Monty pipe except a sold from a woman in a pond.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break and we'll come back with some more questions.

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Speaker 3: Minute sub taut and a pond.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, Big week on the show. Looking ahead to next week, we're going to be previewing the edge position, the cornerback position, the running backs, the tight ends, the quarterbacks. That's all this week. We're also going to do just things we're looking forward to. In terms of the draft. It's draft season. It's a sprint. One story you guys talked about and you and Nick did a great job. Last Monday, generous. Jordan and you talked about the Dexter Lawrence trade request. James Heisman asked, do you see a scenario where they trade Lawrence and Cavon get capital.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't sure if James Easman Heisman meant this as a.

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Speaker 3: Double like up that they would be a package.

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Speaker 1: Yes, says both I sort of looked.

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Speaker 5: At it separately for saying like, yeah, I can absolutely see Dexter Lawrence getting traded.

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Speaker 3: It seems like because John Harbaugh was.

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Speaker 5: So eager to then remark that everybody is tradable the second Kavon was brought up that maybe he's not the player that they're getting a lot of calls on right now. But yeah, I guess reframing the context of the question, absolutely I could see a team or them even saying, hey, we'll throw in a player we don't maybe don't really see as a fit on our roster anymore to make a trade happen. I think that this Dexter Lawrence situation. I know that there's a lot being made about the contract and working the contract out over time and all of that, but I could see teams being incredibly incredibly interested, and particularly the closer we get to the draft and watching how the board falls in actually making that a reality.

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Speaker 1: I think they might be willing to do it too. I think the chances of him getting traded are a little higher than it's been talked about.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of it just comes down to standard negotiation and playing this thing out. I would think that Harball is you know, I'm not even mentioning Joe Shane. I feel like he's just happy to be a part of the festivities.

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Speaker 4: But like I think it's more of a win now situation.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what, you know, what the twenty seven and twenty eight picks would be doing.

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Speaker 1: Right For that you're trading Lawrence and or Cavon, You're you're immediately hurting your strength. And yet I do think they might take a little longer view when it comes to Lawrence and for the right picks, it does make some sense. Would the Bears really draft another tight end in the first round like I'm seeing in some mocks that's from Best Planet on Earth on Instagram and Jordan with a aggressive shake of the head a nod, A yes.

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Speaker 5: I think they would because Ben Johnson wants to activate multiple tight ends at once in this scheme, and yes they have Cole Kmet, but he's turning twenty seven, and so you always have to there's a turney twenty eight this season, I believe, and you always have to be replenishing high volume positions within an offense, especially with its a skill guy, and in this case, the tight end position in this scheme is just as much considered a skill guy as your top receiver.

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Speaker 3: Would be, for example.

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Speaker 5: So yes, I think this is a position that they'll keep replenishing, and especially to make sure that it's cost controlled with young players by the time Caleb Williams contract comes due.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely think so.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's more of a situation with regards to the players that are available.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that too.

00:28:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, if Kenyon Seek is there, Yeah, yeah, that's one thing.

00:28:40
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a class that's deep enough, like last year's tight end class was where I think you could make an easier case. Yeah, for you know, a large amount of tight ends going in the first couple of rounds. So I think, yes, this is something that the polls and Johnson would do. I don't feel like it's likely this year.

00:28:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good compliment. I mean, yeah, no single player is probably likely to get treated. But it wouldn't It wouldn't totally shock me. Next one is from Liam Lodge NFL Draft on loose k how many quarterbacks in the first three rounds? So if we assume Ty Simpson gets taken in the first three rounds, which I don't think is one hundred percent, but it seems likely that we get taken third round. It's basically a question does anyone else fit in there? You're you say, no, Patrick.

00:29:27
Speaker 2: No, I just don't see the value, and you know, not to diminish like the Carson Becks of the world or the rest of this draft class. But I'm constantly uh looking back at you know, we're seeing Drew Aller highlights if you're watching us on YouTube or you know, over on the UH on the fast channel.

00:29:48
Speaker 4: But there's just I don't see that the players there.

00:29:52
Speaker 1: Garrett Nessmeyer is on the consensus board in the first three rounds. For what it's worth, he would probably be the most likely, but I don't think so. All these guys seem like Day three guys. So the question is where does Ty Simpson go. Daniel Jeremiah thinks the Cardinals are really a team to watch for him. Would that be you know, at the top of round two? Who knows.

00:30:12
Speaker 2: It's another reminder that the guy who I would have had with the best name in this class, Trinidad Chambliss, to me, should have probably come out the fact that we get past those two quarterbacks and then there's nothing.

00:30:22
Speaker 1: He would have made it three, but I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to go two players. With players staying longer in colleges, do teams value the experience gain or would they prefer to develop in house? Thanks love the show. That's from Mason bra And I think this is a question with Look, we still have some COVID year players in the draft, Kiante Scott, who I like a lot as a slot player from Miami. It played six years in college. You're getting different waivers for various reasons of why guys can play longer. And so I think it's a question that some of these guys that you're interviewing for power players, Jordan will be asking themselves like would we rather have more of a finished product, a smart twenty four year old, or would we rather have a twenty one year old that's a.

00:31:07
Speaker 4: Little more raw.

00:31:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, depends first of all, on the team, depends on the coaching staff.

00:31:11
Speaker 3: There's so many.

00:31:11
Speaker 5: Variables obviously of how fast can you onboard that player into being a real role player contributor into your system. So that aside one thing I have noticed when I'm kind of on the ground talking to these scouts and all of that year over year, here is a tonal shift, especially now that we it's still the wild West, we have more of an understanding of what NIL is and what the post COVID years are and what all of this is going to be when you're looking at it from an NFL perspective, looking into the college dynamics.

00:31:44
Speaker 3: So there's been a shift.

00:31:45
Speaker 5: It used to be that these players and I saw it with my own as being in these interviews where these players would come in and they would talk to these scouts about how they feel like NIL is going to ruin football and saying everything that they think the scout wants to hear. And even though you're sitting there like no, dude, make money, like what are you saying, but saying the things that they are maybe coached or trained, that they think the NFL team wants to hear. And over the last couple of years especially, I have seen a real shift in people wanting older players on their teams, people wanting players who have seen more football on their teams. Again, caveat so many variables. Injury history is one of them. I know, Greg, you hate old quarterbacks for that reason when they come out.

00:32:28
Speaker 1: Tyler, you.

00:32:31
Speaker 5: Hated him when he was coming out because he was older. But that's a real tonal shift that I'm noticing. And the thing that goes hand in hand with this is now there is a significant trend over the last three years of the second contract that these players sign. It is more player friendly. It's also becoming more team friendly. It's shorter term, it's average three year deal versus maybe a four or five. And so that is going part and parcel with we're okay with a player who's a little bit older who's coming out. It's a really fascinating sort of cycle that we're moving through right now.

00:33:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also think it's just a reflection of the players who are being compensated now are able to stay in and be compensated for their labor as a college football player, which is leading to guys staying more, which is leading to more good players staying more. Where it's teams have always liked talent. They would prefer to take talent. You could see one season of Jamar Chase like, oh, okay, yeah, we can go ahead and sit out. We want that guy. You don't need experience. The experience is just a reflection of like your relative power that you had to use with the talent that you could you could get there.

00:33:38
Speaker 4: Teams want talent they've always wanted.

00:33:40
Speaker 1: Right, I think age if anything wants to get past like the first fifty sixty picks or whatever, it's not going to be viewed as a bad thing because of what you're saying of guys who can come in and contribute right away. When you're talking about the higher ceiling guys early, like, yeah, the tie is going to go to the younger players, I think because you're hoping that they develop more than the older players do. But there's a risk in that the more data that you're getting from these older players, the better. I'm just saying, like from a really top of the draft type of view, Like if you're talking like a twenty one year old quarterback in twenty four, like, yeah, you'll take the twenty one if he's that good. It's time for the off season ride along presented by Toyota. Let's go to most and least favorite defensive schemes in the NFL. That is a wild question. And defensive, yeah, like offensive and defensive? Just favorite scheme, Patrick, I.

00:34:32
Speaker 4: Because there's so much Tree discussion. I like that.

00:34:37
Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur doesn't feel like he's in the tree, and so I will take Matt Lafleur, especially if I can add a caveat when Malik Willis is started. Matt Lafleur is my favorite offensive scheme in the NFL.

00:34:48
Speaker 5: I had a Matt Lafleur caveat as well. I said specifically when Tucker Craft was healthy, that was my Matt Lafleur caveat. And yeah, everyone, all of you guys, the collective listening audience, you can growan right now. It's it's rams forty nine ers. For me, it's been that you guys know this the way. It's just because it keeps evolving. It keeps evolving, and it's so interesting, like to watch the different permutations based on personnel and based on the front offices and who what types of players they gravitate toward it, and then the scheme shifting and then then the quarterbacks as well. I just think that it's been a lot of really cool show your work football over the last ten years or so. And but yeah, I love that I have that for the Matt Lafleur. When Tucker Craft is healthy, I.

00:35:39
Speaker 1: Could even go Matt Lafleur when Malik Willis is on the field, just like that, that's amazing. I thought about historically too, the Mike Martz scheme was so insane. I like, to me, that was like the offensive version of what Brian Flores is in the middle of Right now. Yeah, I think we're going to look back on these Brian Flores yours is like, whoa, that was crazy, and he's having an impact on other defenses too, so that certainly would be my defensive pick. And then I like, I think you go back to some of those Rex Jets defenses, which are pretty closely connected to his dad's buddy, Ryan Ally Connolly.

00:36:18
Speaker 5: Ollie Connolly wrote the best, the best article, the best piece. I don't want to reduce it calling it an article. It's a masterpiece, the best thing I've read in like five years of reading about football. Allie Connolly wrote it about the Rex Ryan influence.

00:36:32
Speaker 1: And then yeah, how about the Joe Burrow offense. To me, he's one of the best game designers and play callers, Joe Burrow, the Cincinnati.

00:36:39
Speaker 3: Bengals, specifically Joe Burrow.

00:36:41
Speaker 1: That's a shot.

00:36:43
Speaker 5: My least favorite was last year's Falcons offense. In part because they betrayed my beloved pistol formation. And I love what Dimiko Ryans and Matt Burke do in Houston because it's relatively simple, but they're just better at it than you are, Like it's so badass.

00:36:59
Speaker 1: That was the off season ride along presented by Toyota. Because when people are the destination, your ride is important. Learn more at toyota dot com and find the vehicle that fits your people. The next question conan Irish Eagles on Blue Sky. Everyone talks worse the first. I want to hear you guys on the opposite first place teams most likely to come in last some early prediction stuff. We try to avoid that this early, you know, in the off season. But the candidates would be the Pats, the Steelers, you know, both of those, you know they would have to finish below for the Pats, you know, the Jets and the Dolphins. The Steelers would have to finish below the Browns, the Jags, who'd have to finish below the Titans, and obviously the rest of the division, the Broncos, the Eagles, the Bears, the Seahawks, and the Panthers. I heard from one listener on Blue Sky that was like, you make me feel bad about the Panthers. They just want you to like the Panthers.

00:37:52
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that we don't like the Panthers. It's just two games. Was the difference between first and last.

00:37:57
Speaker 1: It's probably the Panthers or the Bears. And that's because of the natures of their divis. Because you could see a last place finish in the NFC North being decent and the Bear is just taking a step back for whatever reason, and then the Panthers, similarly, if they take a little step back and that's a balanced division. You could see it.

00:38:20
Speaker 5: Greg You've said this before and I really agree with you on it that Eagles, to me have a huge amount of variants. That's spicy, and I think that the Broncos do too. I think they have a massive amount of variance. We saw it off a cliff at the end of last season when Bonix got hurt. But I do think, on the other hand, the Broncos are gonna once again be one of the most contention worthy teams. But I just think the variance is so significant.

00:38:47
Speaker 4: Got a pick, Yeah, it's the Panthers. That's why.

00:38:50
Speaker 1: Okay, would you rather have three good starters? From a draft class or one Hall of Famer.

00:38:57
Speaker 4: It's a human not human nature. It's a mean nature thing.

00:39:00
Speaker 2: Like I would I'd rather have one hole in one than have yeah, really good, really.

00:39:04
Speaker 4: Good rounds all year.

00:39:05
Speaker 2: I'm not taking pictures and telling people about that one tho those really good rounds for the rest of my life.

00:39:10
Speaker 4: I'll take the hole in one.

00:39:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Hall of Famer can just change everything. And he also wrote this is from lucky to be here on busk a merely capable starter. So the word merely there. Yeah, you get the Hall of Famer. That can change anything.

00:39:21
Speaker 6: I said, if you had will like good starters, that's a little tougher of a question, but merely capable, it's like, okay, then you can be easily replaced.

00:39:31
Speaker 5: My only thing is that I don't think it's good team building to chase outliers, and so for me, I'm like, I build.

00:39:39
Speaker 1: This is assuming he is a Hall of Famer, Like, you got it.

00:39:42
Speaker 5: But that's the thing, you're also assuming position Aaron Donald's a Hall of Famer, and they lost like crazy those first several years, and they didn't have a quarterback. So once they got the quarterback who's also going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, the debate for another time, Like, yeah, you know what I mean. Like, I just really think for me, my method of team building would be to not chase outliers and instead to build complimentary traits. I would love to stumble upon a Hall of Famer, you know, just as a treat.

00:40:08
Speaker 1: The same user also ask why, as I age, do I feel like I care less about football?

00:40:13
Speaker 3: Oh?

00:40:14
Speaker 1: That was an interesting one.

00:40:16
Speaker 4: I think it's time.

00:40:18
Speaker 2: We used to have so much of it, And there were like entire decades where I saw like every every single shot that went up in March, like all sixty eight of Tigers shots on Sunday, like every single game in the NBA playoffs, and as like, as we get older, like the amount of things that we have to do and need to do, just they add up.

00:40:36
Speaker 1: I think that it's okay to have evolving relationships with sports teams, with sports in general, with specific sports like football, And I think this does and can happen as you get older, that like, you might care less about football right now, and then in seven or eight years you'll find that you care more about it, or you might kind of get sick of one team for a little while and then come back to him because you're you're like prioritizing and sometimes nice to give it a little break, so maybe you'll come back to it, you know.

00:41:05
Speaker 5: I hope it means that you care more about other things that are bringing you joy and richness to your life.

00:41:11
Speaker 1: What else is there? As he says as he returns from a week with his family, Uh, rank them from best to worst, before sunrise, before sunset, and before midnight.

00:41:24
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a really stupid question.

00:41:26
Speaker 1: But these are movies?

00:41:28
Speaker 3: Are these movies.

00:41:32
Speaker 1: Literal?

00:41:32
Speaker 3: I knew literal? Yeah, I went to Justice.

00:41:38
Speaker 1: For link Letter, no our guy.

00:41:41
Speaker 3: I know that there.

00:41:43
Speaker 5: I know that they are iconic movies. I get that, But in the question, I didn't know I went literal. I said before midnight because that's what I write.

00:41:51
Speaker 1: This is this is crazy. Yes. Richard linklater wrote a series of movies iconic. Julie Delpy and Ethan Hawk. You know, they meet and they just kind of talk. It's like a first date, and then eight years later they come back. They never met, back up and they do it and it really messes with time because you know, like it's the same characters, but every eight or nine years and then Before Midnight there is a clear answer. These are important movies to me and my wife Emica, and she went in order. She would just go in the order Sunrise, Sunset, Midnight. The clear and obvious thing is that Before Midnight is obviously last.

00:42:27
Speaker 2: I am so happy that people have a positive relationship with Richard link later films.

00:42:32
Speaker 4: I do not why not I watched Boyhood.

00:42:35
Speaker 2: I feel as though it happened in real time, and I would just like to have had a.

00:42:40
Speaker 1: Plot, good, good, rewatch. I enjoyed a story, was messing with time.

00:42:43
Speaker 2: When somebody tells me a story, I am interested in the plot. The story is life, Life passes.

00:42:49
Speaker 4: Life passes. While I was watching the.

00:42:50
Speaker 1: Movie, I think before Sunset takes it here, you know, it's it's coming back together that you're in your thirties, you're a little smarter. Before Midnight's tough. I think you realize, you know, you're like deep into the marriage, and uh, sometimes there's some realities there. I think I think that that echoes life a little before you know. The first signed yeah for them.

00:43:13
Speaker 4: For your little answer.

00:43:14
Speaker 1: What did you pick toward she said before?

00:43:17
Speaker 3: Because that's when I write, Yeah, I was like, oh, I love that.

00:43:21
Speaker 1: Time for Sunset, one of the best movies in the last like twenty five years. The NFLPA in the NFL has hired you to replace the franchise tag with something that helps team keep franchise stars longer, assuming you want to do a good job and get them to agree. What do you say, you guys are both looking at it.

00:43:38
Speaker 3: I like the cap, I assuming you want to do.

00:43:41
Speaker 1: Though, I did have one. I did have one. If you want me to throw it out first, yeah, it doesn't. I need to think it through. Uh that there'd almost be no salary cap for like you, you would the franchise player would be outside of the salary cap like and that would encourage more money. Now there's particulars like maybe it's three years guarantee, but it doesn't count towards your cap, and the number has to be like above the number one player in the league average or something like that, so the players get paid. It doesn't hurt your cap to keep them. It's like an exception for one player. But you would really only do it for super duper players.

00:44:16
Speaker 5: Mine has not been thought through whatsoever. Just to be clear, there is mine. Really, I was saying I was thinking that there is a minimum salary threshold as sort of a placeholder, but certain parameters that are set that are relatives specifically to that player, that are pre negotiated. So it's almost like there's a two series of negotiations, one agreeing to the parameters that the player must make at least this based on his value and production based on some agreed upon parameters versus the needle moving and the goalpost moving that we often see during this time.

00:44:52
Speaker 2: So you don't think I'm copying, this is what I literally wrote down. The NFLPA working in tandem of capitals, a limit worker power sounds like something this version the NFLPA would be all but willing to do. But I think the abolition of the salary cap and provide teams with everything they need in order to keep certain players in a particular location. The starting point for my negotiation will be something reminiscent of the Supermac's NBA deal, where you are allowed incremental violations of the cap for certain players.

00:45:17
Speaker 1: I like complicated, but I do like it. I like it assume the afterlife is real? Where do pets go after?

00:45:23
Speaker 5: I like how people know us at this point, So they say assume. They use the word assume, like, approach this question with this framework.

00:45:31
Speaker 4: Cover your basis.

00:45:32
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, yeah, where do pets go after they die? Human heaven, hell, species specific domains, or somewhere else. It's a tricky one. I can't imagine. And everyone has great relationships with their pets, but I just feel like heaven for pets is not not having them, not being subjugated to that relationship.

00:45:54
Speaker 5: Well, you don't have a dog, so I would say that like for a dog, especially if you got I learned this phrase. This is maybe gen z. I don't know, but like a soul dog. You know, if you have a soul dog, you know, you and that dog, you would think even if you're applying your own feelings onto that dog's own feelings, like that that dog also wants to see you. I think that it's probably a combination of energies that find each other again, you know, like if if that is what the energy was on earth for both of those and then if you don't meet your pet, you know, wherever, then it's assuming that the pet has decided and has the autonomy to side. So I think I think the afterlife for pets is being given autonomy for the first time in their existence, the autonomy to decide what they want to do.

00:46:48
Speaker 4: Right.

00:46:48
Speaker 1: I guess we can't rewrite all of human existence because at some point, you know, then we kind of made the animals answer to us. So you know, maybe this would be an opportunity where they are no longer answering a stall, But then you'd have to rewind and it wouldn't be the same soul. It's very complicated.

00:47:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would hate the idea that, like, because you know, we lost Penny and Dottie within the last year, that they're like somewhere with George Washington and Thomas Jefferson right now. Like, I'm not doing that, but I would hope that you know, for all conscious beings that you know, there's a place where you're kind of separated between bodily format and you're just aware and calm and free.

00:47:25
Speaker 4: That would be my home.

00:47:25
Speaker 1: All right, this has to be the last one because we got to get out of here. Jeff Baul asked, well, the Vikings, are Lions ever won a Super Bowl? Or should fans of those teams, like me just abandon all hope.

00:47:37
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to go with Jeff Paul's bonus question.

00:47:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's coming. That's you know, that's the second part. I was just confused because Jeff Paul committee Comedy Media company, right Media. That might be like, who's a fan of Who's who is a fan of bikemedia, who's a fan of both the vikings. Yeah, you stepped all over it in multiple ways. All right, let's just get out out of here.

00:48:11
Speaker 4: They're gonna win.

00:48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're gonna win a super Bowl eventually. I don't believe.

00:48:15
Speaker 3: Don't give up.

00:48:16
Speaker 5: Part of the experience of human existence is hoping for things.

00:48:21
Speaker 3: Don't give up.

00:48:23
Speaker 1: And yeah, what the bonus question was, what's the dirtiest part of the human body? Which is a subject we covered on the just Nick and Rosenthal Andy Project. So it's a callback to the and he answers the butthole the answer. Let's get out of here. Uh sorry, we couldn't get to all your other questions, especially shout out to shadow Chase, who's tried to get a question on three straight times, but there are long questions. I'm gonna get it to it next time.

00:48:53
Speaker 3: Chase, You're now part of the bit.

00:48:54
Speaker 4: Put it on Blue Scar answer his question on Blue scar.

00:48:57
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good point. It's becoming like Matt Damon On saved forties and free agents next in the field, see them.

00:49:10
Speaker 5: Mm hmm