Regional TV money cuts & luxury tax penalties clogging the market? Jays raked cash, Tommy Phamgraphs?!

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Speaker 1: We're going to combine articles Ken Rosenthon, Will Samon talking about the luxury tax impact on the slowness of the market, Evan Dralik, and Katie Wu talking about the TV money disappearing that is affecting more of the mid level teams. And then you look up and you're like, okay, So if the big market teams are affected, the mid market teams are affected, and the small market teams don't spend. This is where you also have issues to find teams that are going to pay money in free agency. So on the luxury tax threshold part, there are many teams that are paying about double the price for anybody that they pick up. At this point, Edwin Diaz signed by the Dodgers. His number if you factor in the deferrals, is twenty one million, but he's costing the Dodgers about forty three million. If the Dodgers got Kyle Tucker for forty million year, he would cost them about eighty four mil. Blue Jays don't have as much of a hit, but it's pretty close. Blue Jay's forty mil for Kyle Tucker would cost them seventy six mils. So if we're just doing rough numbers, like, he's costing double why luxury tax penalties? That's what a soft salary cap is. And so it hits the Blue Jays, the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees. Right, there are a lot of teams that play ball for these types of players, but in their brain they go, hey, this isn't forty. This guy costs US eighty million dollars per season if we're over the luxury tax thresholds. Right, that's the rough mat. Now that's how they do it, I know, but that's that is a barrier. That's an obstacle for some teams.

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Speaker 2: And then there's other teams that are like, we don't care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Dodgers who said, will spend one hundred and sixty nine million on the luxury tax because we won the World Series and we're making two.

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Speaker 2: Hundred plus million off show he every year and Yamamoto and Freddy.

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Speaker 1: And playoff games and winning World Series merch Blue Jays made one hundred plus. We'll get to that at Somes made over one hundred million. Okay, So that's one part of the puzzle.

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Speaker 2: It's weird how when you win you make more money.

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Speaker 1: That is the key stream life.

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Speaker 2: I never have never heard that. Yeah, if you win, you make more money.

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Speaker 1: Some teams think, well, if I signed a Japanese player, I get more marketing. But you know what also just helps winning. Winning creates playoff games, creates more merch sales, more season ticket sales, blah blah blah, And okay, that's one piece of the puzzle. The next one is an article that came out that said nine MLB teams TV money in jeopardy as FanDuel networks continue to struggle. This article put together by Evandralik and Katie Wu, that network has a chance of folding, has a chance of moving to the zone which is looking to buy them. For baseball fans to know, it means that baseball teams are either going to get less money to stay on this network than they were anticipating, or all of this ends up going to the league taking over those teams, and if that happens, they get no guaranteed money. It's more of a rev split based on distribution of the percentage of sales, sponsorship sales, etc. So, just to give an example, and the teams involved on this are the Braves, the Reds, the Tigers, the Royals, the Angels, the Marlins, the Brewers, the Cardinals, the Rays, the Nats are probably likely hopping over. They weren't coming from this FANDL TV situation, but they also are probably hopping over to MLB.

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Speaker 2: What does this do?

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Speaker 1: This creates cost uncertainty. Gms say how much can I spend? And owners say, I don't know how much are we getting getting in the local TV money? The national deals are done for long time, right, they know how much they're getting. One more year I take for the national deals, Well, they all end out after next year.

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Speaker 2: It's after twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, sorry, after twenty eight, after twenty seven, after twenty seven. Let me give an example of a local deal. Okay, and I'm just gonna throw a random number out there. If you are the Cincinnati Reds and you were getting fifty MILLLI a year, I'm making that number up. Okay, fifty MILLI a year from the network for the twenty twenty sixth season. That's either going to get reduced or be gone. And instead of that number, MLB takes it over and they give you a percentage of what you make for the year, which it end up being half of that. So what happens ownership goes to GM and says, hey, I don't know how much we have now, and we might have half of that, we might have less than half of that. That creates a huge issue with a bunch of these teams that are I would say more in like the ten to twenty, right.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals, the Reds.

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Speaker 1: The Tigers, the Royals, the Angels, even the Brewers. So we have both of these factors combined. And when people say why is there such a hold up with the free agent market, this is one of those reasons.

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Speaker 2: I can't argue that everything he said is true.

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Speaker 1: But that's more recent news with the TV. Yeah, many gms. This is a really good article by Evan and Katie. Many gms didn't see this part coming. They thought they were okay, but.

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Speaker 2: Because fandals said they could cover it and now started to miss payments. And when we say they missed that NHL or NBA, they have already missed payments on certain teams, right the Cardinals, and they missed the card.

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Speaker 1: They missed on the Cardinals. So what that does is it means the Cardinals can just get out of the deal now because they didn't get their payment or are they're going to go. They most of them just go to MLB. But then MLB's plan.

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Speaker 2: Is the teams under their Yes, anyway, yes, this is a Rob Manfred's dream.

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Speaker 1: It is Rob Manfred's dream. They're going to have like twenty something teams and then it's just.

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Speaker 2: But then you have the Dodgers, the best separate, the Red Sox, the Yankees, the Cubs that have their own I guess the White Sox you can throw in there. They have their own TV network. Phill Giants, Yeah, Phillies Giants, but I'm talking like the Big Ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a separate that's later on, yeah, right, but for now, this is the immediate is these teams might not have a TV home right now, and if they do, they will get less money than they anticipated. But yes, the Cardinals there was a mispayment. Main Street, which runs all of these sports networks. According to this article from Evan Drelik, lost approximately two hundred million dollars in twenty twenty five across its portfolio, which includes baseball. But they've also missed payments to NBA teams as well, and they have been NHL teams involved, So it sounds a little complicated. I'm trying to simplify this for baseball terms. For baseball terms, there are teams that don't know how much they can budget for their free agent spending. And you might say, who cares. The teams can still afford to do stuff. I agree, but that's not how things are looked at.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Most owners are looking at their team and saying, this is how much I have allotted for you to spend for free agency. Right, you can spend fifty million dollars on twenty twenty six contracts additional to what we already have committed, and then the GM goes okay. And then now in the past week, the owner might have gone to his GM and said, just kidding, you have half that because I'm anticipating about half that for the local TV deal, and in terms of our big pot and how I budget it, we just lost some money, agreed. So I just wanted to explain how that impact everything and why it's going to make free agency even messier. And what's going to really happen is probably less money for free agents. Will it affect the big boys as much? Probably not? But at you always love to say, is who's going to get affected by this? Most most likely.

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Speaker 2: The majority of big league players, not the superstars. The majority. Yes, that's it. That's where it's always going to be. Manipulation of playing time or manipulation of service time. Salary salary collusion doesn't affect the superstars. It's the eighty five percent to eighty seven percent of guys in the league who are one to six or one to six years of service or the ones who are you know, that veteran at the end of his career looking for one year deals. Just squash eighty five percent of salaries down. It's totally fine if we call up a prospect or even just a triple A guy who's gonna make the league minim because that's the easiest way to save money exactly.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're playing with right now. That's why so many teams are in a state of limbo. You've got about a third of the league in a state of limbo based off their TV money. You've got another third of the league that looks at most of free agency now and says I need to factor in double and then the other third of the league doesn't really participate in free agency anyway.

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Speaker 2: Or much less. They play on the margins. They're looking for the advantages on the margins.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Or or last year got involved or last year those teams got fifteen plus million dollars from the luxury tax from Rob Manford saying sorry about your local TV revenue, will help you out. Now this year, sorry, we're not giving you the extra It's like Christmas vacation. They gave it. He gave a Christmas bonus last year to those teams whose local TV markets got crushed. Or you know we're going through limbo and now Rob this year was like you get Jelly of the Month club.

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Speaker 1: You know why they're not doing that though, I'll back the league on this one. They'd be doing this for like half the league at this point. There's too many teams that they'd have to give these this extra money to. And then also it becomes a politics game. You're talking to every owner on the phone. How come the race got an extra fifteen in the rigs only got an extra ten?

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Speaker 2: Like it?

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Speaker 1: It gets pretty hairy pretty quickly. So, yes, what Kratz is referring to is there was like kind of an emergency slush fund situation they were giving teams. But that's not happening anymore. So if you want to read more about it and sound way smarter than we just did the athletic evandralic Katie Wu, go check it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. Well, the Dodgers don't get to have all the fun with the Japanese media and the fanfare. The White Sox will have fun, but the Blue Jays will also have a lot of fun with Kazuma O Komodo aka big Baby aka Big Oak or Kazu works fine too. Those are some of the nicknames that he threw out there, and he said, his agent, Boris came.

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Speaker 2: Can nickname yourself kid, big Oak, little Oak? Like baaby no can nickname herself?

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Speaker 1: He didn't come up with big Oak, Boris did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like him doing it though.

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Speaker 1: So the fans just have to organically.

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Speaker 2: It has to be organic bring it. Can't just be like you know, cratses. Can't walk out there and be like, call me special k what.

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Speaker 1: Do you think of this? Nope, say all thirty MLB logos in front of his daughter and she pointed to the Blue Jays and that plus sixty million dollars, is why he decided on the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: Duh, No, it's more than sixty million. Yeah. If his if his daughter would have picked the Pirates but they didn't want I'd be like, I'm going to the Pirates. They only offered me.

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Speaker 1: They did want them, but probably for half the press. Yeah, exactly. So the Blue Jays now will have a Japanese player who was a star in the NPB, and apparently it was just flooded with Japanese media, tons of coverage of this press conference, and he put on a show Kratz. It gets us into the bigger conversation of a pretty epic run for the Blue Jays right now in the offseason, and that could continue with their pursuit of someone like Kyle Tucker. But there was an article put out there by Rob Longley, who writes for the Toronto Sun, and within that he said the Blue Jays postseason run was estimated to be worth one hundred million dollars to Rogers. They own the Blue Jays. One hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's Careada.

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Speaker 1: It's not just amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's not just Toronto, it's not just iron A's can it like when you're coming over from Japan. You can go to Vancouver. Vancouver's beautiful, like there's everybody thinks Seattle, you know, La, You're going to West coast San Francisco. But there is a there's a strong contingent that I think the Blue Jays saw in the playoffs. But I would be I would you know, you would not even be thinking back too far if you're like, oh wow, they just realized this. In the playoffs. They went hard after Otani. Did they ever have a chance. That's not to be discussed. Roki Sasaki, they went hard after him. They've known this for a while and now they got to see it in the playoffs. Some people forget they did that. They did that advertising on the UH. I think it was a mixed martial arts or it could have been boxing ring in Japan that was on TV, like they Blue Jay's logo was there. Good for them, Good for them. This is something that they're not afraid to take advantage of. And now they have a player who is he a star? No he's not Otani. No he's not Yamamoto, He's not you know, he probably isn't even the level of star. Start him as Imai, but you know what, he's their guy and it's going to bring so much when you play. I'm sure AJ knows he played with different Japanese players, but when you play with a Japanese player, it doesn't matter if he's not a star or not. I played with Aki Noori Yuwamura, who was a gold Glover over in Japan at the end of his career in Pittsburgh, and he had a contingent of a few reporters. The better the player, the more contingent of reporters, that means the more coverage for your team. Oh yeah, and he's a good player. And the Blue Jays were on the cusp of winning the World Series last year, so it's a great move by them.

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Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen, Do you know who the most popular player on the Blue Jays was?

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Speaker 3: Uh kasuk the Muna Nori Kawasaki. I had the funny interviews. Well never crowned, yes, yep. Getting back to but by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, people, people that have never been to Toronto crash you. You played there, so you understand this. I don't know if you've ever been there, Ska, but many times it is an international city. It's not it's it's not.

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Speaker 1: Just it feels more like Europe than it does it does in the US. It does, right, I've been there many times in that party, it is.

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Speaker 2: More of an Internet. And then if you go to Vancouver, which I don't know if you guys have ever been to Vancouver, it is even more. It's even more because it's on the West coast, so you're closer to Asia.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you have a lot of Montreals very European.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, but Toronto, for an East coast city like that is very international. And before people say yes, of course is international in Canada, I mean not non North American, right, Like, it feels like there are people from everywhere that descend upon Toronto. So if you can tap into the Asian markets we talked to well but Jerry Reinsorf a couple of days ago in the White Sox when they signed Mark Company. Right, it taps into this Japanese cultural thing about baseball that they have where they want to know everything about every player. And I played with Tadahito Gucci when he came over, and I played with some other Japanese guy. I played with you Darvish when he was just coming over they're they're following is incredible. They everything they do. They don't know how many swings they had and beap, how many bullpen pitches they threw, how many this they did, how many PE's they took today. I mean it's like how many hairs did they cut when they got an haircut. It's incredible. It's it's actually a little bit insane sometimes to me.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like how the NFL is Sometimes like some stupid story becomes a big thing and they're like, why is this the thing. It's just because it's the most popular sport in the country. So take that and plus it up because there's less competition for sports that they're interested in. I mean, baseball dominates in Japan. Back to Canada for a moment. It's not just the post season ticket sales and the merch and season ticket sales for the next year, the whole deal. This article also talks about an enormous boost to Sportsnet that's an all sports channel that battles with Bell Media owned TSN. Right, those are the big networks up in Canada. And they said, you know, television in general, obviously in cable has faced challenges and there are less subscribers. Many of them are on spots like YouTube. With us, there's still plenty, but it's more of a battle, right So the Blue Jays success made making sure you have that channel a high priority, and Edward Rogers told the Financial Post, We've done very well at getting a lot of sports fans who may not have a traditional cable package. So keeping that audience growing is important, and we think sports nets prospects are very strong. So they spoke about how it goes beyond just what you're seeing at the ballpark and making the playoffs and all of that, Like, it's a huge TV business that people are signing up for to get subscriptions.

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Speaker 2: But they do spell Sports Center with.

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Speaker 1: An R at the end. Which one and there's a lot of offense with the C isn't rumor r U m O U R.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some different spellings out there.

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Speaker 1: I respect all of it. It's just one of my best friends.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the weirdest things, though, when you go up there for the first time, like when you're a young player and you go to Toronto for the first summer. Even when I was in Triple A, we did Calgary and Edmonton and Vancouver, and some of the other places. And you go up there and you turn on TSN and it's a sports center and it's spelled different, and you look at your roommate. You're like, wait, do I see things because you used you were at the time. You're used to ESPN right and sports center sports center and they go welcome to sports Center on TSN, and you're like, wait, something's not right. Spell just spelled wrong. I love it. No, it's a great I love going to I love Toronto, I do. I love going there.

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Speaker 1: It was fun, really really good baseball to have the Blue Jays be so relevant right now, they got to follow it up. But the front office and ownership is doing everything they can to say, damn, we made a ton of money one hundred mili plus, let's spend.

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Speaker 2: And the helps of the Canadian dollar, helps of the Canadian dollars a little bit stronger too than it has been in the last few years, just saying it's a team that there's there's a lot of there's a lot of extra cash on the margins there when the team you get half your checking Canadian half of it from you get it all in US dollars, but part of it comes from Canadian dollars translated, and then part of it is the US dollar. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of math behind the scene that can make it either either easier or more difficult that MGM futures regular season win totals. Hey, you can make some money if you've got an inclination of what you think is going to go down in an off season. Right, if you're one of those people that think, say, the Yankees are going to do two three more things this offseason, then you might look at this win total and say, okay, under the number for the Yankees is ninety three and a half. One tend to win a hundo? Is it the biggest reason for this the division as a whole, even bigger than what you think the Yankees are going to do? Right, Yes, you need the Yankees to win ninety four games to cash this if you're going with the over. But I mean, the Red Sox look like they're going to be good, the Blue Jays look like they're going to be very much of her to be much better, and the Rays of the race and the Rays I mean maybe a drop under five hundred projected for this year. Where's your easy wins on that division. So crats, are you taking the over under?

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Speaker 2: I'm under under under. I can't I can't not take the under. You know how many teams outside of the American League East had more than that more than that many wins, more than ninety three wins two?

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Speaker 1: Why is it so high?

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Speaker 2: Because are the Yankees? They got to put a big number out in order to get people to better hus it's the East and they both know now the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays and the Yankees both had ninety four last year. It's just such a tough I don't care who's made what moves. I don't care if you think the Yankees are still better than the Blue Jays. Like they're just gonna beat each other up. They're gonna beat each other up more than any other division. And they're it's the best division in the American League. Nobody's gonna really deny that. But to say ninety four wins, To say the Yankees are gonna have a better year than they did last year, Why because Garrett Cole came back, Why because Cody Bellinger's going to sign back, Like I just Trent Grisham's gonna have a better year than he did. Last year, Jazz Chisholm's gonna have a better year, Like, I just think it's gonna be tougher. It'sn'na be tougher. And I think this is a this is smashed for me. I'm smashing it today. Locking it in, thanks, boys.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. Lock that in doesn't mean that they'll have a bad year, but no, a very successful season might be ninety one wins. That's a huge difference from ninety four when you're looking for an edge, when you're looking for some value on something like this.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, it was they're a ninety one team.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think this would have ninety four wins is a good year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this would have been more challenging if they put, like to me, the correction.

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Speaker 2: They put it in ninety one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in that range, that's where it's like, I'm not touching that. But ninety three and a half looks like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're talking about historic year. If they go if they go ninety six wins, if they go ninety six wins in this season, to me, it would be a historic year for them. It would be a like they are hitting on all cylinders and people will say, well, that's just two two wins different. That's a lot of freaking That's a lot of freaking wins in a tough division. Not a tough American league, just a tough division.

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Speaker 1: And I'll add this, sometimes it's worth seeing how the season starts and then finding value in the win total. I would not do that with the Yankees because a lot of their rotation is going to come back as the year goes on. The Yankees also are now second fiddle to the Dodgers in baseball in many ways, right, and it's a copycat league. I think they're going to try and take a page out of LA's book and be like, how can we be as stacked as possible for the playoffs? Obviously you got to get there, but counting win.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough division. When you throw in the fact that the Orioles and Blue Jays are good because forever it was kind of Yankees, Red Sox, then the Orioles, like it's like one team would always have a run. The Blue Jays at times are good, The Orioles at times are good. Right, but now you have four teams that are legitimately think they can win in the race. The Rays always think they can win. But if you look right now on paper, the four teams Red Sox, Yankees Orioles Blue Jays are all stacked ready to go at least, so getting four teams from one division is next to them possible into the postseason.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be a really pissed off fan base. Yes, a really big pissed off at least fan base.

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Speaker 2: Wait, do you see the Brewers number anyway? I won't. I won't ruin it for anybody. So exciting it's fun for me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Most We got to get him on to discuss this.

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Speaker 1: He is so entertaining. But anyway, he's completely laying out all kinds of sun, wind, all kinds of discrepancies in statistics out above average, but what about the sun and wind? And then also he yeah, like let's start here. He remembers a play that frustrated him. He's like a game in Milwaukee. He's playing left field. Balls hit about three hundred and sixty feet ninety miles per hour off the bat, short hops the outfield wall, wind carries it. He was playing in he couldn't get to the ball, and he said that really hurt his defensive numbers because stat cast doesn't factor the win part. A quote from Fam. When I learned that, I'm like, Okay, if the win's blowing out, I need to play a little bit deeper. It's a really flawed system, but it's getting factored into our value. He gives a lot of credit to certain players within this article too, he gives a ton of love to pee Ker Armstrong. He's like Peaker Armstrom's even better than the numbers, which love him because he has to navigate the Wrigley wins every day.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just that.

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Speaker 1: He also gets into how hitting statistics are drastically affected by the team that you're on, and it goes beyond your lineup support. He said that being on the Pirates this past season means that you're playing in a ton of close games. The team that was pretty good on the pitching side, pretty awful on the hitting side, and they were often playing in these close games against good teams that would use their high leverage guys. He said that versus if you're like on a very successful team that has a good offense and you're winning some ten two games and then you're and you know it's like six' two that turns into ten. Two you're facing the mop up guys like we didn't get those abs and there actually was stats done by guys like you know in the article that said he's got a, point, No but the answer from GM's in front offices was we we have our internal system factors that into so we even.

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Speaker 2: There's no such thing as clutch. HERE i don't forget it right, there there's not a. Clutch gene and RBIs don't. Matter and, YEAH i, LISTEN i think this is pretty cool that a current player is calling out a lot of. THINGS i always say. THIS i remember we'd go To detroit and they would always find a negative number on you to throw up on the giant scoreboard they have in left, field and it would be like when the do point is seventy two degrees on A tuesday afternoon and the wind's blowing in at seven point six miles per, hour he HITS o sixty two and you're, like, huh what what are they? Talking? Like this is kind of WHAT fam was talking. About and, listen win plays, factors sun plays, factors, hangovers play, factors. Tiredness, well that's BUT i, mean it's all that's not to blank like. That but good, teams bad. Teams he has a point on good teams and bad. Teams but you said it has nothing to do with lineup. Construction usually better teams have better, Lineups so, yes it has something to do with lineup. CONSTRUCTION i believe. It who's sitting, where who's? Hitting like When Won soto hit in front Of Aaron, judge he got on. Base you, know he got a lot more fastballs to.

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Speaker 1: Hit, yeah but he's still had a great.

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Speaker 2: Season, no he, did but he also got a lot more fastballs did because they didn't want to Face, judge, right, RIGHT i MEAN i know WHEN i hit Behind Barry, Bonds Barry bonds walked two hundred and seventy five, times that hear because they were, like we'll rather face. Him and then they put a guard Of fonzo behind me behind, him and he still walked two hundred and seventy five, times, Right so it does.

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Speaker 1: Matter so here for the public to, know The pirates had the highest average leverage in the sport as a, lineup meaning on, average their games were tighter than anyone else's and every at bat potentially means more in terms of win, probability and it means that they're facing most likely the higher leverage. Relievers so this was like confirmed by the stat. Nerds they, say you're, right and a public stat like what weighted runs created plus doesn't factor that. In APPARENTLY ops plus factors other than a little, bit which is WHY i continue to love that. Statistic But. Kratz the answer from front offices is, yeah we get, it and the public might not see at, all but we do factor that stuff in AND i believe. Them so it's a good call out By, fam and if, anything it just means that we should either take some of the public stats with a grain of salt or continue to improve the public stats so it factors in the things that he's talking.

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Speaker 2: About, yeah one hundred, percent OR i, mean did we even factor and you saw you talked about lineup. Construction Tommy fam hitting on The pirates is going to be hitting in a different spot in the lineup Than Tommy fam hitting on The dodgers Or Tommy fam hitting on The. Phillies part of that, is you, know your part of your. Decision we talk about all the time when you sign, someplace do you want to go somewhere that? Stinks do you want to go somewhere that's. Good you're going to be used as a higher leverage, piece which the other teams are going to, say we can't Let Tommy fam beat us because The pirates just called some guy up that we don't, know and we'll let him beat, us you. Know so they're gonna pitch they're gonna pitch those guys differently, Too SO i think it's the, points, though are very. Negligible it's not Like Tommy fam' is gonna have an eight HUNDRED ops if he had played on another team and not a six seventy FIVE. Ops like it's it's going to it's. Negligible it's fifteen, points but that looks way better if you've had a seven HUNDRED ops than a six to seventy FIVE, Ops.

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Speaker 1: Right and that's his. Point, Yeah guys grinding out at bats and then it gets to you in the lineup and then the pitcher's worn. Down there's all kinds of. Factors the stats aren't. Perfect use your eye test in addition to what you're seeing. Statistically