2025 NFL Week 6 AFC Preview

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the vibes in this room are dope as hell.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in.

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Speaker 1: The Chris Westling podcast studio with my friends Patrick Clayban and Jordan rod Rieg.

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Speaker 2: This is NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: We're all coming down from QB Island episode, but we're here with the Week six preview and a great.

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Speaker 3: Week it is, except for the teams that are, you know, looking for their first one. No, no team has ever started zero to five and made it to the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you know the Jets yet the Jets. The Jets could change everything. And yeah, if you're new here, we do conferences separately, and I alluded to the room in the NFL where the vibes are dope as hell. But you're gonna have to hang around to all the second block of the show to find out.

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Speaker 3: What that's a deep tease. You won't guess which room is dop as But let's start with a team that's played in some dope as hell football games. The Seattle Seahawks in the game of the Week last week, going on the road to take on the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are favored by one and a half at home. The over under is forty six and a half. Chris Myers Christina Pink on the call, Greg, how did the Jags come back after a big, emotional, fun win on Monday night football.

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Speaker 1: It is a tricky one to have to play this Seahawks defense right after, like, you know, such a high and I am curious though, how the offensive line specifically holds up against the Seattle pass rush, because I think that's two units that we should.

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Speaker 2: Be talking about.

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Speaker 1: Number one is that the numbers in the eye test for the Jaguars, their offensive line have been elite, Like you would not have expected that they would have been one of the best offensive lines in the league. Part of that in terms of pass protection might be because of the opponents that they face, and you would think that this would be a tougher test. Then again, watching that Seahawks Bucks game, I was kind of like, Man, did I overrate this pass rush? Do they need like a couple, not more dudes, but a dude or two at a higher level because they got dominated. Maybe it was just a one week thing, but that's that's one matchup I'm really looking at.

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Speaker 4: This is a team I think to very much keep an eye on ahead of the trade deadline. As it pertains to that very topic, they've been a little banged ups. Yeah, the Seahawks, they've been a little banged up, particularly at the edges. The interior is doing fine, I think, but they really need some of that outside rush. And part of the problem as well is they've been banged up at both safety and corner, so it's kind of tough to know. Okay, it's not going to be sending Ernest Jones on a blitz every single time, and they need to get more pressure on the outsides. They had one quarterback back hit in that game. Game of the year in my opinion, and it is an incredible game. One quarterback hit didn't happen to the fourth quarter, and that's something that Mike McDonald is being pressed by reporters on all week this week, and kind of interesting that they weren't in necessarily on that o'dafae owait grade because there's some connections there as well.

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Speaker 1: Boy Mafe though chetna Uosu Derek Hall is not really an out soid it's going to potential. You would think, were you, by the way, Jordan disappointed, because I know you were watching that game that you couldn't recap it on the show.

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Speaker 5: I was. I was texting you.

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Speaker 4: I said, every time Kevin Harlan even calls a good punt, I'm smiling and kicking my feet.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree. That might have been the game of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you got it. No, those teams going up and down the field, and on game de view when I saw the initial score that you picked because you had the Bucks defense given up thirty and I'm like, oh, Greg, that's not gonna happen. Both teams did. In fact, like the points per game allowed for the Seahawks was sixteen point eight going in to this game, and then Baker and company put up thirty eight. And I'm willing to chalk it up to that being an anomaly because, you know, especially considering how different these teams are in the way that they operate. And we got the yolo version of Trev where he was running a whole lot on Monday Night football. You got to see him at his best, like hitting those throws to the outside where he can show off the arm strength there. But I think it works a little bit differently in this matchup where the Seahawks defense is more than it's more about the sum of the parts than any particular player stepping out and making a big play. I'm excited for it, but I don't think we're gonna get the high flying shootout that we got.

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Speaker 1: I think the availability for the players for the Seahawks makes a big deal because we skipped it a little bit in last week's previous It's a big deal that Devin Witherspoon and Julian Love are not on the field for the Seahawks the last couple of games. Those are their best two players in the secondary, and you think, well, Mike McDonald, he can scheme it up, like there's a point where the players matter more. Darien Kendrick near am i a pritchet. Their number one quarterback this year has definitely been Josh job which credit to him. He's playing well, but he was a guy that couldn't make the Eagles a couple of years ago. You know, Kobe Bryant's playing well. They had the safety o Coud. It like they're just not talented enough if they don't get those two guys back, maybe to match up against a Jaguars passing game, which I think the arrow was pointing up for Travis Hunter and Brian Thomas Junior.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a huge match A point to me because there's talk locally of some of those defensive backs coming back. Even though they might come back, they're still banged up. They're coming off of injuries, and so that has forced them to miss one, if not more games. And this passing game for Jacksonville, as messy fun as it was at times this week on Monday Night Football, you could really tell it's starting to find a clear identity. They're starting to figure out which receivers work best in different spots. I think I like to point to Patrick Claibon for rightfully shaming all of the Brian Thomas Junior inbreaker calls, because you're seeing actually more outbreaking routes and outside perimeter shots for Brian Thomas Junior, and you're seeing Travis Hunter make some big plays and really find his place on offense. And I think that this game you might see another Travis Hunter offense game. Because the Seahawks like to go in twelve personnel, they like to use these combo one and two receivers JSN and Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup made some pretty crucial third and medium third and short catches and in doing so last week set up himself as a threat on a lot of the under concepts. So they were able to deploy a lot of their combination routes with JSN as the over, including for that touchdown absolute dime by Sam Darnold, who's dealing right now. And so I think that having less necessarily a need for multiple corners, you need to make sure you're guarding the receivers obviously, but Devin Lloyd in the middle of the field, and you know some of the safety play they're getting, Jordan Lewis is really holding it down for them as well. Jacksonville, I don't know that you need Travis Hunter so much on defense this week. You definitely want him on offense to try to attack these banged up corners and safeties.

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Speaker 3: And that's the promise that we all hope for, was being able to utilize this player and deploy him in the way that you need him for a particular matchup, because playing every single snap on offense and defense looks to be an impossibility, So why not utilize him in the right way, and there's more targets to go around when I think it changes the offense a little bit because Britain Strange was playing so good at tight end in the run and the pass game. He's going to ir so he's going to be down at least four weeks now.

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Speaker 1: That is a big loss for them and its strength and strength when you think about the Seattle's deep passing game, they're one of the best deep passing teams in the league. Against a Jaguars defense which prevented the big pass like heavy zone team. I did want to update just on the announcers for this game. We have confirmed it will be Mark Schlareth on the call with Chris Myers. Mark Santez will not be on this car. Okay you said Mark there, No, it'll be Mark Slack, Mark Slareth.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they started with an s too. I had me in the first half.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: To our next game, the Los Angeles Rams rightfully a seven and a half point favorite at the Baltimore Ravens. The over under is forty four and a half games on Fox. So Kevin Burker, Tom Brady and Andrews Tom Rinaldi clearly they picked the team on the call when they thought that this was going to be a fun, exciting game. Jordan the Baltimore Ravens are morose.

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Speaker 5: Woo. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: I came in Patrick and I started talking to you about it, and I was like, this is how the Ravens can beat the Rams.

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Speaker 5: Throw at the corners.

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Speaker 4: And then Patrick very aptly said, Cooper Rush, throw out the corner rooms.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man is taking too much heat for last week.

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Speaker 1: He was fine the rest of this this organization that's falling apart. But you're right, that is going to be difficult.

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Speaker 5: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 4: This has been a thing, and this is more maybe less so about how this game specifically will go, because we understand where the Ravens are struggling right now, and I have no doubt that this Matthew Stafford, who Kunakua DeVante Adams, Kyron Williams, whichever tight end Sean McVay feels happiest with this week to throw out there, like I have no doubt they're going to score points right on this Like battered Defense. However, it's more of a commentary on like the Rams have serious problems that they have had since the spring, or questions that they've had since the spring, and to be legitimate down the stretch, especially against the type of blueprint that Kyle Shanahan once again deployed against them in another one of the best games of the season so far, clearly daring the corners to press tighter. The Rams clearly don't trust them to do so, and had them back sitting in that deeper zone and then the patient team can pick and poke and then mac Jones was able to take his shots when he could, and they just they don't trust without a Kello Witherspoon, who was a they're better, one of their better corners who will press. They they just don't trust them, clearly. And this has been a question mark since the spring. And it is the way to beat the Rams if you can mitigate the passage.

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Speaker 1: They have good receivers the Baltimore Ravens. I mean I saw Za Flowers put Derek Stingley in the dirt. That play was not replayed enough that c Flowers literally put the best cornerback in the league perhaps like on the ground in Cooper Rush gave him a dime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, Cooper Rush.

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Speaker 1: Was like thirty five to seven at that point, but still it happened.

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Speaker 3: Wins football games. The problem is the issues up front and the protection in the past game are the same, except you don't have one of the more imaginative and creative players in the NFL in the past twenty years back there you do have Cooper Rush. And again not to demean or you know, but not like Cooper Rush. But the six highest paid players on the team were out last week, and I don't know we're here on Wednesday. How many of them you get back in this home game against the Rams and a part of the season where you hope to be able to slide through a couple of these games at home. And if you go back and watch, like all of the CJ. Stroud touchdowns, he's in a pocket virtually. With even more time, he could have thrown the ball twice with some of those pockets that he threw out of, and they made CJ. Stroud look electric on the outside. And Nick Chubb is flying past people with twenty twenty five where they're not just hurt, they're slow. They're slow, and there's some schematic issues as well. It's all bad.

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Speaker 1: Was out of practice on Wednesday, and I think it'd be quite surprising if he plays in this game. And yeah, you hit on it with the with the like just total lack of team speed on the defensive side, and you think about this matchup specifically, it is I believe the number one team in terms of success rate in terms of design runs. The Rams give me some more Blake Korm in this game. Like I do feel like the Ravens defense at this point is kind of a defense you can just kind of work on some things against. Like that they fix the Texans, and so I think like, let's get let's get Ferguson in the mix that site, and let's get Korm in the mix in. The Ravens run defense is twenty seventh in the league against the run.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kyron Williams, the Rams starting running back, looking to rebound from another fumbling issue that was pretty costly in last week's game. You mentioned fixing some things. This is kind of a sneaky thing to watch for the Rams this week. Justin deed Itch has still been starting at left guard, even though Steve Avula is not on the injury report or now. He was our second round pick a couple of years ago and has played really, really quality football for them. But it's super interesting that he has not been activated fully in these games. He's been active, he hasn't been activated fully in these games. And it's an undrafted free agent former center who's playing or left guard right now.

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Speaker 5: And that's something a little bit to watch.

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Speaker 1: If Ravens should try to trade for him.

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Speaker 5: It's just they should.

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Speaker 1: Is that tape. It's like another part of the team where they actually don't have injuries. Well that's not true. Ronnie Stanley has been out of practice, although I think he was practicing Wednesday. That the Ravens out Rokan Smith, Marlin Humphrey Shoudobi a woozy. That one is a little new. Another cornerback in Patrick or card in addition to Lamar, So they could have a couple players back, but not not a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah enough, not a lot of reasons to be confident, but a lot of reasons to be confident in the Rams in seven and a half.

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Speaker 1: Points, Yeah, it doesn't seem like enough.

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Speaker 3: It's time for the Sunday presented by Toyota. Let's go places. It was not enough ten and a half for the Detroit Lions against the Cincinnati Bengals last week, and now they're going to go on the road at Kansas City, who are favored by two and a half points. Greg in a sign of disrespect to Dan Campbell and I'm on Ross Saint Brown who keeps track of disrespect? Today Night Football, Mike Tarico, Chris Collinsworth, Felicia stunk Oh Florio's on the call, coaches.

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Speaker 2: Players not on the call.

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Speaker 3: That is not actually he's on the pregame h And it's you know, it's not our mic, It's not the good mic, it's the other mic. How do you feel about the Kansas City Chiefs spiraling in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 1: They feel like the opposite of the twenty four Chiefs where they're better than their record, right, because I think the defense since that Week one game has looked better.

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Speaker 2: I think they've found answers in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: They got to cook up some pass rush, but they have been pretty effectively and the offense looks explosive. Patrick Mahomes is doing exactly what I asked to. Just bring me.

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Speaker 5: He heard you, Just bring the fun, got your email.

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Speaker 2: Just bring the fun back.

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Speaker 1: He's got seven throws this year completions of over twenty air yards. That's almost as many as he had all of last season. He also leads the NFL in yardage in terms of throws outside the pocket, so that's Patrick can create mode. I think the offensive line is playing well. I know they lost that game. It was a fluky game. To me, they almost put up five hundred yards. That's just one game, but we've put two together and they're going up, I think most importantly against a Lions team that are going to be without their two starting cornerbacks Terry On Arnold and DJ Reid, and this is a bad week for that to happen to Detroit.

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Speaker 4: Terry On Arnold, the situation is a little strange. I'm happy for him. If he's on a more positive course then maybe it was initially reported by Dan Campbell who said that he was probably going to be out with that shoulder injury for quote a long long time. But then reports came out earlier this week that he got a second opinion and maybe it's less than they expected.

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Speaker 1: Which is bid a couple of weeks say now, But I always worry about that second time.

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Speaker 5: He was playing great. Yeah, it's like it was for me. I gave the event.

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Speaker 4: You know, he is playing great before the injury, playing really well, really helping to bring that secondary to life in a big way. And I think it is one of the bigger stories of the season. We were hoping for this, objectively speaking, but we were hoping for this, that this Kansas City Chiefs offensive line with a rookie and a left guard who changed positions would be looking like this at this point in the season. They to me, they look really good, and every week they are looking more and more solid and stable. Giving him I know Treyvon Walker was out last week, but giving him, giving Patrick Mahomes felt like years at times to throw without having to scramble around and make one of those like hero ball throws, which I think is bodes very, very well and dangerously for everybody else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those deep passing attempts can be more of a credit to the offensive line performing better than like some sort of vast difference between Patrick Mahomes in this offense. And my concern for the Lions is without Terry on Arnold, right, they play man at one of the highest rates in the league. Shepherd coming out and pointing out that even for those who were critical of Terry on Arnold, they put a lot on him and they ask him to do a lot. I don't know that they can execute the game plan that they would like to thankute against this KC team that's having to have you know, Juju run run deeper routes. I know they have a whole lot of speed, but a lot of that offense is running through Juju going out there and setting Andrew Boget screens for Travis Kelce when things get constricted a little bit, and so like you need your guys on defense up against the chiefser I.

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Speaker 1: May pick the winner of this game based on Taylor Decker's availability because he missed last week, and I know they won that game easy. But Giovanni Manu, who has always been on my radar because he was a guy that the Lions gave up multiple mid round picks to trade up for, that was like a CFL guy had barely ever played football, And it was definitely a moment of Brad Holmes feeling himself, just like, I'm going to give up two picks for this guy that you know, not that familiar with, and it's it's taken him a little bit while he finally got his first start. In terms of Taylor Decker was out lasting And I know PFF isn't perfect, but his PFF pass blocking grade is not old enough to vote you know it was it was rough, like what was happening in that game?

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Speaker 2: And then you think about, you know.

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Speaker 1: Him against this Chiefs defense would send pressure and just confuse what a left tackle has to do, and maybe this Lion's offense won't you know, hum as well in a tougher matchup, if Decker is off the fleet field.

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Speaker 5: Always hard to be the one guy who stands out that way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the rest of the group looked great against Satty.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well yeah against Cincinnati yeah right, I mean all year they have, really, I mean it's this this lie. I think we're going to get another fun one, and I'm excited for that, especially because it's the you know, the prime time, you know, we get we We've been getting some really fun ones in the late in the witching hour, the late witching hour, not the early chaos window. And I think this is gonna be another fun one because I just can't see Kansas City like letting this happen to them.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, because it's the Lions.

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Speaker 4: The Lions are so smothering and incredible. They are best team in football right now. But like, and I'm probably gonna curse im sorry in advance, because I do that apparently it's me.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but I I really don't.

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Speaker 4: I can't see I mean Patrick Mahomes, especially with some of the weirdness that tilted that game the way that it did for the Chiefs last week, and then like the ultimate like gut punch of the shot of Chris Jones just kind of watching Trevor Lawrence stumble bumble tumble hair flowing into the.

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Speaker 5: Into the end zone. I mean it's like, obviously you don't.

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Speaker 4: Think the play is still going and all of that, but like it's just objectively watching it for them.

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Speaker 5: You're you're angry, You're mad as hell.

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Speaker 3: And also you could say, like the universe evening things out because Bolton makes the stop on the Trevor Lawrence breeze sneaky sneak trying to go over the top a fraction of an inch before. And then at the end of the game, Chris Jones comes out, you know, against the double team like a man on fire, seas Trevor on the ground and he's like, oh, wait, why are we still playing?

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Speaker 1: Wait? What about the world even in itself out in terms of not karma but just luck on some level of like Chiefs in one score games that like it. Like now they are losing these close games. They had that Lions game which sticks in your mind from a couple of years ago to start the season, where the Lions went in they got a big victory in the kickoff game, a game that is supposed to be almost impossible for the road team to win. I do love the way their linebackers are playing. I just wanted to give a shout out to Alexanzeloni and Jack Campbell and Derek Barnes, who's a reminds me of old school nineties football, like a real strong side linebacker over there, and he's just like the bigger guy and he's set in the edge. But Angelo and especially Campbell have been amazing. And then yeah, Aiden Hutchinson, not O'Connor against your boy, Josh Simmons.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: That's excited.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited for that.

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Speaker 1: I think he would be my defense I think he might be my defensive Player of the Year candidate or pick right now. And that's that's because they have the fourth highest four man pressure rate in the entire league, the Detroit Lions, and it's basically one guy. Yeah, I mean without them, I just without him I just feel like it all falls apart, and.

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Speaker 3: I think right because for Hutchinson, you can go and watch all of the chips and the and the double protection scheme that Josh Heines Allen have to deal with on Monday, and I think it's going to be a very similar way, yeah, that the Chiefs approach him coming up on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I am really looking forward to this, the NBC and the schedule. Gods, they've done it again. Looking forward to it. Let's take a quick break. On the other side, we will talk about two teams which I said I saw in person, oh play American football like with my eyes. Over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, the Browns chose not to take their buy after going overseas.

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Speaker 2: Now that they were, they weren't there that long.

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Speaker 1: But still, you know, that's a decision that they chose to make, and then they're put on the road this week in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: They're also young and spry.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, they're young in spry. They got rid of Joe Flacco. They got the problem out and not just kidding Joe Flacco. Now Cincinnati Bengal. It's Dylan Gabriel making his second straight start, first start in the United States of America, taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers Jordan. They are favored by five and a half points. The Steelers got some time off. When they are back on the field, I excuse me, an Eagle, JJ Watt and Evan Washburn will be there to see what we get for Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers with a chance to sit back and relax and execute a game plan against a very good dev.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first and foremost. For some reason, my Instagram algorithm kept giving me the clips of JJ Watt talking about his haircare routine.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one.

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Speaker 5: They're pretty good.

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Speaker 4: He's like pretty I think he's pretty solid, like good sense of humor about himself, like talks about bringing his white.

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Speaker 2: Hair to fire style a lot. I have noticed that.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate someone who's confident in themselves on that front. So the biggest thing about this game to me, besides the volume in JJ watts hair, is that Mike Tomlin sounded really optimistic so far this week about getting Alex Heismith, Joey Porter Junior, and Jalen Warren back this week. All three of them have missed at least one game. Joey Porter Junior has missed three with that hamstring. This is potentially huge. It's potentially the Steelers with with you know, the catbird seat and the AFC North and key players returning on defense at this point.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's potentially massive for them.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin was asked about the AFC North picture with the other teams struggling, and he said, I'm not a big picture guy. And I was like, well, shouldn't you be. You're the head coach of a football team, Like.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what what would that change for him?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 4: We've got now explains everything.

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Speaker 3: Now, go ahead, house this one against the Browns. Because the other teams were bad. It doesn't necessarily I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I am curious.

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Speaker 1: You guys watched that game, you know, on television, and being there, I was really no, no, I'm.

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Speaker 5: You par you on your screen.

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Speaker 1: I was because they see different things. If you're home, you see a lot of extra things. If you're home, then you see other extra things if you're there. But uh, I felt like all we talked about on our broadcast was Darnault Washington in that game, And I really did think their personnel choices in that game led almost directly to how effective they were. They dominated Minnesota upfront, and Washington was a huge part of that. They essentially benched John Hue and Friarmouth, although they played it like a heavy personnel the whole time, and man that offensive line playing that well, it was just one week, but they were moving people, and what a great matchup this is when the when the Steelers have the ball, Like, I think we can see if that's real, if that's a one game offensive improvement. Was that just a one week game plan, because this is as tough of a matchup, Patrick like you can get against this Browns defensive line.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we'd have to wait for another week because if it doesn't work against the Cleveland Browns, we could easily say, well, the Browns are stronger against the run than most teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: But maybe like even if it's a dry if they're like if they're not dominated even against the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've come into this game where Broderick Jones is allowing a high pressure rate relative to rest of the left tackles in the league, and so he'll see a lot of Miles Garrett and kind of a bounce back performance for coach these defense where the Vikings put a lot of stuff out there that made them look kind of normal, and seeing Quinn Shawn Jenkins have all the success that he had on the other side, but Jordan Mason was moving the ball as well.

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Speaker 1: I like this Browns team. I feel like, if I had to pick, is this like a one in four team other than the Ravens to turn it around this year and just be compe Like I think the Browns have a lot of positive ingredients if they can get good play out of Dylan Gabriel, like I think they did his first start.

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Speaker 4: Well, I would agree with you, because it's all nice to have if you're Mike Tomlin to have some of these guys, especially Alex Heismith, kind of helping bring your front to life a little bit more. But I feel like Dylan Gabriel is going to get the ball out quick. I feel like they're going to try to run the ball with Quinshawn Jenkins, And I feel like this is a cool game.

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Speaker 5: You always kind of joke and I actually really like that you do this, Like I actually do. I'm sorry, but I.

00:26:24
Speaker 4: Do really like that you do this when you're like, oh, that's a Jordan Coda game.

00:26:28
Speaker 5: Because this kind of is you got it.

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Speaker 1: Take it.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of but there's a lot of jokery type of players on both sides of the ball in this game, starting with the tight ends. Because I could really see this being a huge Dylan Gabriel hits Harold Fannin on every single type of concept you could possibly think of as this jokery player, especially if Jalen Ramsey cannot get back from this hamstring issue that he's been dealing with. On the other side, you guys mentioned Mount Washington, like he he being used in so many different positions. He's taken handoffs, like he's doing all of these different things that are really really interesting and I think makes these defenses have to think more. But it's not just that they're doing it with scheme and math. They're also really physical football teams too.

00:27:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the idea of Darnell Washington getting like being in a meeting room next to John Ousmith and Arthur Smith looking at both of them and having these visions running all these fun plays with Darnell Washington. Where I am, I'm mainly interested in how fast Dylan Gabriel got rid of the ball in the very first start. It was the second fastest time to throw over the course of the game that we've seen all season, and making his first career start on the road internationally against Brian Flores's defense, where it's is that it was that an anomaly, like, are we going to get a whole lot of you know, chips on TJ Watt and quick passes to Fannin and Ndjoku.

00:27:57
Speaker 1: I think so Tomlin called Dylan Gabriel's superpower processing, and I think there is something to that. He's an older quarterback who's played that and I really don't I know. I like to point out how like, you know, c J.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: Stroud your agist.

00:28:13
Speaker 1: It's fine, you know, still like two years younger than Michael Pennox and Bo Nicks, like like, let's give the kid some time. But Gabriel I think showed a lot of maturity and when there were so many quick pressures in that game that he actually got away from and made smart decisions. The problem is his you know, his offensive line is is not amazing and it's a tough match.

00:28:33
Speaker 4: All I really want. I don't know how this will even be possible, but I would like to see a photo of him standing next to Darneld Washington, just to see the difference. That's all I would like out of this game. And also some epic tight end play.

00:28:47
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get it.

00:28:48
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna get it. The picture might be.

00:28:50
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think, if I go one for two, I'm good.

00:28:53
Speaker 3: It's like maneuver some some college Shenanigans to get Darnel Washington in that picture. I'm all about it. Should Vagan's up plenty for the Arizona Cardinals last week, and it's no easy bounce back opportunity. They are on the road at the Indianapolis Colts, who are favored by six and a half points the over unders forty seven and a half. Kevin Coogler, Moose Johnston and Alison Williams on the call. Greg, how did the Cardinals bounce back from what was the biggest donation of twenty twenty five.

00:29:21
Speaker 1: I think it will tell us a lot about how this season is going to go. They've been very underwhelming. They should have been three and two if not for that fluky and just brutal way to finish that game. But they would have been such an underwhelming three and two. And if they don't get this win, you know, they have the Packers, then they have a bye like you could be going into the bye week on a four game losing streak, and the schedule after that is really difficult. In general, so these are the types of weeks that really test a head. Coach Jonathan Gannon was asked about what's happening there in the building this week, what is the kind of five.

00:30:03
Speaker 3: And energy in this locker room and like this week, and how do you.

00:30:06
Speaker 1: Kind of keep that today? Dope as hell? Honestly, it really was.

00:30:13
Speaker 3: It really was.

00:30:14
Speaker 6: I couldn't start the meeting on time because of the energy in the room.

00:30:17
Speaker 1: So that's good. See. But that's good to see. But we have to make sure that we're in the details in the meeting room and walk through and practice. But it was really good.

00:30:26
Speaker 3: It was really good.

00:30:27
Speaker 2: I'm such a sucker that I see that.

00:30:29
Speaker 1: And I also heard Mike gha follow talk on Good Morning Football that this whole touchdown thing from Mario Demercato is like a rallying cry now for the team. I'll fall for it and be like they are going to rally, they are going about they are.

00:30:41
Speaker 2: Going to play hard.

00:30:42
Speaker 4: Listen, I understand what a coach and a team is like trying to do out of that moment, especially if the coach and honestly bad look bad moment, honestly for bad bad mistake, bad moment. Also bad mistake by Jonathan Gannon as well, who was fine earlier this week as well, and.

00:30:58
Speaker 1: By the team, not by.

00:30:59
Speaker 4: The by the team, Yeah, yes, and that's important. Was that was pretty rare. Actually, I think the last person that's happened to is Bruce Arians. So Arizona's tense sometimes, but I feel like this is I understand what a coach and a team is trying to do, like being sincere in addressing the team, which I tend to believe he was being sincere about making mistakes and taking ownership and trying to scrap all of it, bury the tape, all the things that they say.

00:31:29
Speaker 5: I get that.

00:31:31
Speaker 4: I don't have any reason to believe that the Cardinals are made of stronger stuff than what we've seen.

00:31:35
Speaker 5: I don't have any.

00:31:36
Speaker 4: Reason to believe that they're made of more resilient stuff than we've seen. And in fact, I was listening to Mina this morning and she pointed out this week on her show kind of a lack of resilience. Stat Now, she did not frame it this way. I don't want to put words in her mouth, but when I'm thinking about this team's like inability to close or come back or to make up for bad moments.

00:31:58
Speaker 5: Crazy stat.

00:31:59
Speaker 4: Arizona is first n EPA per play on defense Jonathan Gannon's bread and butter here through the first three quarters of a game and drops to twenty seventh in fourth quarters this season. So you want to talk about lack of resilience, show me some resilience come back literally and emotionally, you know. I mean, I just have no reason to believe that yet.

00:32:18
Speaker 1: Also, they're just not that good at football on the offensive side, which is more important. Yeah, Like, there's no reason to believe that they're.

00:32:25
Speaker 5: Oh you don't want the poetic moment.

00:32:26
Speaker 1: No, No, I agree with all that, And I think that's all about our feeling. I think that's true, and I think that's a great note about the defense, and I find it interesting. But I don't have any real big reason to believe that, like this offense is going to figure it out. Kyler Murray, by the way, was out of practice on Wednesday, So this could be Jacoby Brissett with a revenge game in Indianapolis. I don't think that's a revenge. They kind of revived his career.

00:32:51
Speaker 4: He's kind of the perfect backup there too, because he can still throw it around and he knows that offense, he's been in that system.

00:32:57
Speaker 3: He's kind of a perfect backup just in general. Yeah, for Jacoby Brissette. And two, I don't think right the Colts are the opponent that you want in this bounce back situation for the Arizona Cardinals. And you can make the case it's the toughest of this stretch where they've lost by Again, these are game winning field goals that are happening in the closing moments, right.

00:33:17
Speaker 1: The same thing happened to the forty nine ers game as well.

00:33:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's not like they are out of these games. But I think we can get the best version of the Arizona Cardinals and they could still lose this particular game. And so, like, I don't not to bury the team, but it's just the schedule sometimes determines these things and this is a doozy.

00:33:39
Speaker 1: For Jermaine Pratt was signed today by the Indianapolis Colts, so a reunion with lou Ana Rumo. He had played like almost every snap of the Raiders' first four games and then was inactive and then was cut. I'm not sure what happened there. I do want to mention just how good Josh Downs looked last week and it was a reminder, man, they just have so many receivers. They have six receivers over one hundred and thirty three yards last week. They benched eighty Mitchell last week, which I thought was a little harsh until I watched Ashton Doolan look like one of the best receivers on the team when like he suddenly got some run and there was like a third to third and twelve played to dimes, which I think really encapsulated where they sent a perfect blitz the Raiders did on him last week, and he just saw it very calmly, like hit Downs who made a play after the catch to pick up the first down, and Daniel Jones just took a shot and he stood in there and he delivered and Downs then made a play. And that's that's what I think with this team. Like he's not taking any sacks. He's taken four sacks all season long, and they just have answers whenever opposing teams like the Cardinals, who are a tough matchup, give give you tough questions.

00:34:48
Speaker 4: Well, I think it also speaks to how complete the team is that their receivers and the quarterback have numbers like that, and still Jonathan Taylor's.

00:34:55
Speaker 5: Leading the NFL and rushing. And I know we.

00:34:58
Speaker 4: Talk about the Daniel Jones's sons a lot, and we should and stoked for him, but the.

00:35:03
Speaker 5: Tailor sons has also happened.

00:35:05
Speaker 4: Yes, and yes, Daniel Jones did make it onto QB Island yesterday. I know that the world was a little worried we might forget about Danny Dimes over there.

00:35:13
Speaker 5: No, no, we would never. But it speaks to their balance, it really does.

00:35:17
Speaker 4: This is a well balanced team that is built to continue to do this as long as they can stay healthy because of how complete they are.

00:35:24
Speaker 5: They're getting the ball done.

00:35:26
Speaker 4: They're getting it done through the air and on the ground, and it's pretty incredible to watch.

00:35:29
Speaker 3: The line of sans is what made those other soanss possible.

00:35:34
Speaker 1: It's fair.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: They had veteran departures. We wondered how they were going to rebuild it, and they have played spectacularly.

00:35:41
Speaker 1: Sances good point, and that's that's a feather in the cap of of Chris Ballard and that coaching staff of They've been pretty consistent being able to develop and target offensive linemen and be better than you would expect.

00:35:55
Speaker 3: My apologies to mister Ballard, not familiar with your game. The next game up is the Los Angeles Chargers, favored by four and a half, coming on the road all the way to Miami to take on the Dolphins. Forty four and a half is the over under Andrew kettle On, Charles Davis, Jason mccordy, and A. J. Ross. Greg is the Dolphins defense the cure to what ails this Chargers offense.

00:36:21
Speaker 1: Yes, it's the worst defense in the league. It's a matchup of like bad on bad when the Chargers offensive line tries to run the ball in this game, but everyone's looked good running the ball against the Miami Dolphins. Kenneth Grant is getting just targeted. They have so much money invested up front and it's not really working that I feel like, you know, one team has justin Herbert, the other team has too, which if you remember used to be a big debate on bad talk shows, you remember that it was a debate. Trua is coming off what I thought was his best game of the year. You know, Tua, if you threw out Week one has looked fine. He just looked like I don't think he's looked great, yea.

00:37:01
Speaker 4: Well relative to what he relative to where he's been. I mean, he's looked like himself.

00:37:07
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not going to say they're better without Tyreek Hill, but I don't know. They look pretty like cohesive.

00:37:11
Speaker 4: Well, they're better when they're they're getting the ball to. Darren Waller speaking of soanss like in a big way, like, you know, it's it's crazy to watch how productive he isn't and you know, if this is for real, and I think and we think it is, because he's still there and producing and a big part of what they do. Happy for him, happy for both of them. But I don't think they win this game because the Chargers need to gather themselves. I mean, it's embarrassing what happened to their offensive line. There's this audio clip floating around between Bradley Boseman and Justin Herbert where Bradley Boseman misses an assignment and Justin Herbert says no, no, no, no, pointing out a different assignment, and then they still go with the first one because the snap's already happening, and Justin Herbert, you know, yells, yeah, dang it. And I'm saying the polite version of it, because I don't want more work for the producers having to bleep me out once again. But it's it's bad. It's that offensive line is This is from a colleague, Daniel Popper. Since he got to the NFL in twenty twenty, Justin Herbert has been hit five hundred and twenty five times, which is the most of any quarterback in that span. And Jim Harbaugh was adamant that they did enough at depth all along the offensive line. You never obviously planned for both of your elite tackles to be out. But locally they're saying, no, this was not enough upfront.

00:38:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah again, like the sheer volume of injuries, It's gonna be tough, like considering roster limitations for anybody.

00:38:39
Speaker 5: Exactly to deal with this.

00:38:40
Speaker 3: And the clip is hilarious because Herbert spins most of the play clock adjusting.

00:38:45
Speaker 5: Yeah and fixing having yeah.

00:38:48
Speaker 3: Having Gaston adjust to hot for the blitzer coming off the edge, and then he's about to snap the ball in both points to shift the line. No, no, and then he has to snap the ball. But yeah, Darren Lawler, I think has fixed the biggest issue for the Miami Dolphins over these past few years, which is like giving them some sort of idea to how to go about things in the red zone. Yeah, it's get the ball to Darren Waller, and they've gotten touchdowns by Waller and off of Waller where it's like, hey, this is even better than the Jon Ussans of twenty twenty four.

00:39:15
Speaker 2: It's an incredible story.

00:39:16
Speaker 1: He was picked up on waivers in my son's ten year old fantasy football league. So that's when you know kind of he's hit you, Like, they're not really like grinding tape. So if he has gotten me if, yeah, exactly, that's the word I was looking for. When when the Dolphins have the ball, though, you said that's been their biggest problem, it's been one of them.

00:39:34
Speaker 2: But the running game is part of that, right, Yeah.

00:39:36
Speaker 1: I just combined that and like they had zero running game last week and that's another big weakness on weakness matchup. And it is funny how like a couple of weeks can change something. And I'm not picking on you for calling them the best team in the league. I didn't think that was crazy either, But when you think about like Jesse Minter now versus Jesse Minter three weeks ago, he's been kind of undressed the last couple of weeks.

00:39:58
Speaker 2: I think, like coach, and it's.

00:40:00
Speaker 1: A reminder like it's more about it's always more about players than coaches. I always personally think that we overrate coaches in general, and like when things are going well, they get like a lot of credit. It's like quarterbacks, and when things aren't going well, and it's always somewhere in between, and they probably don't have enough players, but like stable and then last week with the Commanders and even the Broncos game where Bonnicks missed a million coverage busts and that they could have put up forty against the Chargers. Like I think opposing offensive coordinators are dictating the matchups we talk about dictating of like we're gonna get your guys on the perimeter and have to make some tackles that we know can't and you're gonna have these lighter boxes. And they're one of the worst tackling teams in football, and they've kind of been steamrolled the last couple weeks by like formations I think, and by by just not having the big enough guys to stop the run.

00:40:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say I agree with you twofold. First of all, the injuries have completely turned around what this team was versus what it is now. I mean, when you compound injuries like that upfront, when you miss, you're missing. Part of the reason they traded for Adolphe always is his potential. I know he wasn't producing in Baltimore, but his potential from previous production is something they're very clearly keying on.

00:41:16
Speaker 5: They are deciding.

00:41:17
Speaker 4: They're telling you right now that they think this defense will have to carry this team, because that is the move that they made.

00:41:24
Speaker 1: But they're an average defense right now, and they're not that injured on defense, to be fair.

00:41:28
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying, or trying to say, is missing Khalil Mack completely changes what front structures Jesse Minter wants to play with. It completely changes how you can attack them, just like you said, not just upfront, but along the perimeter, because it changes to ripple effect of every single player who lines up behind that front. And that's part of what's happening here, and it's a failure to adjust completely. And it's also needing dudes, needing guys back playing and hitting and tackling and actually like executing a more malleable vision than when Jesse Minter started the season.

00:42:03
Speaker 1: Well, they've got a Dafe Oway and he is expected to play. According to Jim Harbaugh, who compared him to Khalil Mack, that he's a lot like him direct rusher, but as it has depth. I get what he means. He's just saying that he's that type of player, like the skills that's what they need. Yeah, is similar, and that he can definitely help stopping the run. But look, we talked on this podcast coming into the season, we thought pass rush depth was one of the biggest problems on this team because I think County on Khalil Mack to be a guy that just carries you in the year twenty twenty five is too much, and you could see that they didn't have enough players behind him that said they could They could right the ship here and just get to four and two. Just just win a game. While you're bringing up let's take a break and on the other side, we're going to get to the international game this week back on NFL Daily. In heading back over the pond, I admit it, I'm still feeling it a little bit on the back here. I just placed almost empty coffee cup onto the table next to me, except the table wasn't there and it just just dropped right onto.

00:43:15
Speaker 5: The the idea of a table.

00:43:16
Speaker 1: I want to see the crowd bring it in Tottenham this week. It was so good last week in terms of the energy, but it wasn't quite as good and I haven't mentioned this on the show yet as the energy at Arsenal that I went to on Saturday. I've never been to a Premier League game before and I sat in the visitors section for west Ham because I'm a I'm a hammer and shout out to Rob Pritcher who works for west Ham. I've known him over the years and he hooked me and my friend Nat Combs up with tickets and that was a unique experience which I wish we could bring to Like the American audience, it's.

00:43:54
Speaker 5: Always good chance, is the chance? Yeah, they're creative.

00:43:59
Speaker 1: The west Ham could not have looked worse. They were absolutely blown out in this game, even though it was only two nothing like no chances, totally miserable and yet the second day, like go down to nothing. They're chanting at the rest of the stadium. You're gonna win fall, You're gonna win fall and then some other chant about second place that they're gonna finish in second place because that's what Arsenal does all the time. And they had some former west Ham great was sitting in the visitors section and they just started chanting about him for ten minutes and his nickname was Ginger Pele back in the day, and that was like the most fun ten minutes I had the whole day. So like, I want that kind of energy. You're getting your teeth kicked in and you're still out there having fun and talking trash. That's my kind of energy, all right, Well, darright.

00:44:42
Speaker 3: Energy no that we're gonna summon as we discuss a game that's coming up on NFL Network where we care about people and each other. Aaron Glenn's chests looking for their first win of the twenty twenty five season. They are getting seven and a half points to try to come back and get the the Denver Broncos, who just beat one of the NFL's last unbeatens. On if the Broncos beat one of the last unbeaten and turn around and lose to the only winless team in the NFL, Jordan, can it happen? Forty three and a half, Rich Eyes and Kurt Warners. Sarah Waltz on the call.

00:45:17
Speaker 5: Bah both Jesus Christ. Both of you are frightening me big time in a big way right now.

00:45:24
Speaker 4: Stickers bar went flying, Greg's hands, Patrick's hands. I'm in the danger zone. You know, it's all good. Speaking of the danger zone. What is going on with the Jets?

00:45:34
Speaker 5: Guys? What do you think?

00:45:36
Speaker 4: Just just a little little fun interactive game here, okay, kind of three, both of you guys, say what you think the biggest problem with the New York Jets is?

00:45:45
Speaker 5: Ok right now?

00:45:46
Speaker 3: One two three, Elijah, Arry Tucker's out.

00:45:50
Speaker 1: You didn't say anything, I know, because I was gonna say ownership, and then I thought, hmm, that's tricky. I would say defensive coaching.

00:45:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it shouldn't be that way because this is an Aaron Glenn football team, and the lack of discipline and the lack of adjustments and just some of the you're just seeing some of it. I mean, it's just it's just not what you would actually expect to see from a team that Aaron Glenn is the head coach of. And obviously he's not coordinating the defense. That's Steve Wilke's doing that.

00:46:25
Speaker 1: I'm not giving him any path on that.

00:46:27
Speaker 4: No, I'm no, I'm not either. I'm just saying it's like it's his team. What I mean, That's where I'm like, what what are we going? I mean, I know, I know he's lean. He has leaned on Steve Wilkes in getting into this job and and what to expect and to look for and kind of some of the advice and having a veteran confidant to is really really important. It's a really difficult, one of the most difficult jobs to take over, if not the most difficult.

00:46:52
Speaker 5: Job to take over in the NFL.

00:46:54
Speaker 4: Seems to be open often and it's just like, but but this is not working.

00:47:00
Speaker 5: The defense is not working.

00:47:01
Speaker 1: I just said how we tend to overrate coaching, and maybe I just did it too by making that like the number one thing because they have some guys that just got yeah, shouldn't be on the field.

00:47:10
Speaker 5: It can be both.

00:47:10
Speaker 1: It's fine Tyler baron this defensive end, I was like Jamie and Sherwood had another game where he was just lost. Last week. Michael Clemens has low lights. Week after week. They got Mauaga at another linebackers spot was just getting picked on. Granted, it's a tough match against Cowboy, but it's gonna be a tough matchup against the Broncos and a lot of their opponents.

00:47:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they're not going to have an easy matchup considering the relative talent disparity all over the place for the Jets, and they've been in a couple of these games, and it's one of those situations where even when the scheme looks great and the players ten of them execute, there's there's one guy little Yeah, either put the ball on the turf, miss a block, have a blown assignment. It's just like there's one of these situations where when you're when you're bad, bad things happen.

00:47:58
Speaker 1: But they they end up getting close in these games or closer at the end. But they I think Red have not scored a touchdown in the first half of any game since Week one, so like an offensive touchdown.

00:48:12
Speaker 5: So they were a yard away I know in the running kills me.

00:48:16
Speaker 1: The thing that's crazy is the running game is good. So if you're going to make a case for this game being surprising close in the fourth quarter, it's that they have been pretty effective dictating with the running game, and if there is a way to attack this Broncos defense, you definitely want to do it on the ground versus passing. So maybe they can have these long drives that actually finish in a touchdown occasionally instead of it just tends to be like these eight minute drives that end with three points and then their defense gives up like a huge play right away, and it's.

00:48:44
Speaker 4: Like, okay, great, Yeah, it's it's tough because they can't count on their defense and also they can't come back from self an early self inflicted mistake. And that's what has happened with this team. Everything changed when Braylen and Allen fumbled, Like the Jets look like one of the most interesting, uh physical running teams and looked that's that opening scripted drive a couple weeks ago, a couple of games ago, like it was everything that they wanted to be, and then they make a mistake and the ripple effect.

00:49:17
Speaker 5: They cannot get out of.

00:49:18
Speaker 1: The samething happening against the Cowboys. Every opening script looks good and then they always they end up with three.

00:49:24
Speaker 4: They can't step sidestep the wake of the mistakes that they make, and I think that that's that is a culture thing, that is a mental thing, that is something that a team builds over time by getting through those types of things, by adjusting and understanding. You have to overcome certain things that have that you that you do to yourself during the game, not even so much the opponent. And that's what I think this issue is. I don't know that the Broncos will be forgiving at all against those types of stakes.

00:49:53
Speaker 1: Now.

00:49:53
Speaker 4: I do think bon Nix will make his share of mistakes. He's been not as consistent as they need him to be, and he's played better week over week, especially later in games, but he's made some mistakes.

00:50:04
Speaker 1: We get one normal steady Bonnicks game, yas one. Let's get that has happening.

00:50:08
Speaker 4: Be you Bo, don't try to be Matthew Stafford, don't try to be CJ. Stroud, Like, just play your game, take take what's being presented to you.

00:50:15
Speaker 3: You know, I think the Broncos fans would feel like it was a waste to get the solid Bo Knicks game to be this international game against the Jett But.

00:50:23
Speaker 1: You got you got to start. I know Broncos fans will defend him, and it hasn't been the bad. He's good in terms of like his eyes are good, he makes good decisions. He just misses yeah a lot like he is. And I think, yeah, I.

00:50:34
Speaker 5: Don't think he's a bad player.

00:50:35
Speaker 4: I think everything's right and then the ball comes out of his hand and sometimes and you're just like, oh no, just off, just a little off here and there.

00:50:43
Speaker 1: I think this indicates kind of what PFF values and doesn't. But like, he is still one of the lowest graded quarterbacks. He's below Gino, he's below Flacco, like because I think he's just missed so many times and he hasn't made up for it with like great plays, but he has had like the turn overworthy plays.

00:51:01
Speaker 3: So this is it. They're going to get a solid bow game. Do you want to note the Jets are significantly better on offense this year than they were last year.

00:51:09
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:51:09
Speaker 3: The majority of the Jets problem, yes, as pointed out, are on the defensive side of the ball.

00:51:15
Speaker 2: And special teams.

00:51:15
Speaker 1: They might have the worst special teams in the league, which like they have this is there on their like fourth kick returner thiks we do get Garrett Wilson versus Patrick's utan.

00:51:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that and I also think this. You saw it a couple of weeks ago, Sean Payton really making an effort to get JK. Dobbins going, got him to that one hundred mark. He was at seventy nine yards last game rushing. You could see Sean Payton once another one hundred yards rushing performance out of a single running back versus a committee. I think this is a game.

00:51:46
Speaker 5: You do it. I mean the Jets cannot stop anything.

00:51:48
Speaker 3: And also a lingering heat from the preseason Jets Broncos discussion from a couple of years ago.

00:51:55
Speaker 5: The parties, Oh my god, I forgot about in.

00:51:57
Speaker 3: Florm Park are no longer there. But Sean Payton, Dohn Peyton remembers.

00:52:01
Speaker 1: He really does.

00:52:02
Speaker 5: He remembers everything.

00:52:04
Speaker 1: He had the Bronco's bus drive through Broad Street just so they could rub it into the Eagles fans after beating them. What a move.

00:52:13
Speaker 3: I kind of love that a team that would like to take some fun bus rides. The Vegas Raiders did it a couple of years ago the Tennessee Titans at Las Vegas, where the Raiders are favored by four and a half points. Anny Albert, Jonathan Vilma, and Megan Olivy on the call as Greg, we want Gino to stop throwing the ball to the other team.

00:52:34
Speaker 2: This would be a good game to do that.

00:52:36
Speaker 1: The Titans defense has quietly been disappointing, I think in its own right. Like the offense is obviously the bigger issue. But other than Jeffrey Simmons, who on another team might be a defensive Player of the Year candidate and would be an amazing trade candidate, like I think he could be up for grabs, it's not a good defense. I do think about that block kick at the end of the Bears Raiders game, though, like this early in the season, those like one play games matters so much more. We would feel so differently about the Bears at least at one in three if if the Raiders just hadn't had that kick block. And if you were the Raiders coming into this game, you probably wouldn't think that you were some great team, but you'd be favored to get to three and three on the season if not for that one block kick. But that would probably be hiding the problems underneath this team, which is a really bad defense and missing their best offensive player this season, which I we werarely haven't mentioned that much on this show. Missing Colton Miller to me was kind of the depth now for this Raiders team. Like when he went out, I think like the hope of it getting a ton better kind of went with him.

00:53:43
Speaker 4: I was like, brock Bowers, we have talked a lot of you said best offensive player, and.

00:53:48
Speaker 2: I was like, ye, Cob Miller.

00:53:50
Speaker 1: Colton Miller was playing like lights out this year and Brock Bowers hasn't been healthy, and I just think it's like a cascading effect that I had just failed to mention, and I wanted to there with Colton.

00:53:59
Speaker 5: Miller one thing that could be helpful to them.

00:54:02
Speaker 4: It looks like, per local reports, Michael Meyer is cleared from the concussion protocol, So that's good news. Still kind of up in the air on Breck Bowers considered week to week. Pete Carroll early this week, and it is interesting that the shift from how eager and believing that they would compete right away Pete Carroll was early.

00:54:28
Speaker 5: In the season and adamant.

00:54:29
Speaker 4: Remember he's this is a shorter contract than most coaching contracts when he signed, and part of that was the intent that he if he was going to come back, he wanted to come back and win a lot of football games right away, and went out and got his guy in Geno. And none of this has worked out the way that any of them are expecting. And I was listening to some of Pete Carroll's comments earlier this week, and he was like moros. He was like, I can't. I would never call Pete Carroll moros. Maybe his floor is like mildly disappointed, such a positive guy.

00:55:01
Speaker 2: But morose Pete Carroll is bad news.

00:55:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, we kind of felt for it in this offseason, like we were buying what they were selling.

00:55:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do believe that they have a good cores in place, Like I think that these guys will know how to build a team. I think that they made moves that on paper look like they should really work out. You really are in terms of the roster, like who among us? None of us were expecting this to happen to Gino Smith, None of us are expecting bruck Bauers to be dealing with some of the stuff. And injuries happen every year to every team. But in combination, you know, we're not expecting this offense to look like this. Yeah, we're kind of expecting this offensive line.

00:55:37
Speaker 1: We went into the season though, saying this was the least talented defense on the league, so that was their choice and Pete Carroll and Pete Carroll, to be fair, was a difference maker as a defensive coach or a head coach.

00:55:48
Speaker 4: Well, I thought Patrick, I thought Patrick Graham would have a really positive influence on on what people.

00:55:55
Speaker 1: You're making a face, Yeah, no, I mean he's got a losing record over the last five years.

00:55:58
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's.

00:55:59
Speaker 3: Like a hard Pete.

00:56:01
Speaker 5: He's already having a bad week. Greg.

00:56:03
Speaker 1: I'm not coming hard at him, but I don't think he's shown to be a difference maker for a minute. It's certainly not on defense.

00:56:11
Speaker 3: Well that that's why you go out and you get a difference maker, the former Ohio State offensive coordinator to come in and really turn things around.

00:56:18
Speaker 5: But I honestly think I was waiting for it.

00:56:21
Speaker 3: We've well, if we're taking shots of people, why not you know.

00:56:24
Speaker 5: Do you mean you're chipping away a little bit?

00:56:26
Speaker 1: Hey?

00:56:26
Speaker 3: Bit by bit Jackson Powers Johnson giving up four pressures against the Colts, Like the Colts are front looked incredible and you know they've been solid all year. But Parham Forsyth, like the the Raiders have significant issues up front because we talk a lot about in the in the run game and I don't know, Gino's leading the league in interceptions. He's playing poorly. They're playing poorly upfront.

00:56:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a combination of things. And like I said, I think we could have expected some of them. Like I wasn't necessarily thrilled with their offensive line coming in to the year, but I didn't think it was going to look like this.

00:56:58
Speaker 1: And this could be Well, it's Jeffrey Simmons. He's not getting much help on the edge the Titans. Look, the Titans are gonna look at this game and think creditable if we're ever going to win a game on the road.

00:57:12
Speaker 3: Again, second week in a row.

00:57:14
Speaker 2: This is a pretty good candidate.

00:57:16
Speaker 5: And cam Ward's playing awesome. He's so fun to watch.

00:57:20
Speaker 1: Last week was a very typical cam Ward game where he had some groaners, some like what are you thinking?

00:57:26
Speaker 5: I don't even care about those?

00:57:27
Speaker 2: And he had I'm just here for the ride five.

00:57:30
Speaker 1: Or six throws in that game, most of him in the second half that were just they just took your breath away.

00:57:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. I love the potential here.

00:57:38
Speaker 4: I can't wait for I can't wait for five years from now when he has a team around him.

00:57:42
Speaker 1: You know, so, I don't remember who I was listening to that ask could you fire someone after a win? That's because just because of how Brian Callahan handled this game game management, and because of how happy he was when he would just get these lucky touchdowns. He was like celebrating on the field and buy everyonever. But if I was Brian Kelleen, I'd be happy to must have felt good. Why wouldn't you? Wouldn't you celebrate? These are teams that, by the way, and we're going to wrap up here could be very interesting at the trade deadline? Yeah? Would would they ever listen about Max Crosby? I checked, like no dead money? Would they? They definitely would listen about Jacoby Myers. You would think, who's on the last year of his contract? Here's one that would have been interesting before the Bengals went and got Joe Flacco. Would they would they think about trading Geno it was really on a one year contract? No? Would they would a team that needs a quarter like would the Vikings? Like if things go really sideways or I'm trying to think of a team that like be like.

00:58:41
Speaker 5: You have them a decent line.

00:58:42
Speaker 2: Greg, Hey, I'm.

00:58:44
Speaker 1: Just saying like, yeah, hey, you're probably not gonna keep Geno next year at this rate. There's like kind of no long term punt. I'm just saying Calvin Ridley would be another one.

00:58:53
Speaker 3: The problem is a team with a decent line is probably not in position to be trading for a quarterback anyway.

00:58:58
Speaker 5: I mean, if your quarterback gets hurt, m don't wish that on anyone.

00:59:02
Speaker 1: Knock on wood, Okay, that was it. Raiders Titans, We're gonna be battling to see who gets that beauty. The mess off Sunday morning, looking forward to it. Also looking forward to our NFC preview. So keep listening, hang tight, and we'll be right there with the NFC