Michael and Mélissa discuss online reports that they are married, hobo-sexuals, Trump publicly attacking Pope Leo, Trump's post of an image depicting himself as Jesus that he claims is a doctor, Melania Trump's speech about Epstein, and a deep dive into Viktor Orbán's historic loss in the Hungarian elections.

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00:00:06
Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Melissa's husband, Michael Foot.

00:00:09
Speaker 2: I'm his a strange wife, Melissa now Branchfoot.

00:00:12
Speaker 1: Today on the show, we're going to talk about Fox News reporting that Melissa and I are married. We're going to talk about hobo sexuals. We're going to talk about Trump's beef with the Pope, Malania's speech on Epstein, blue wave midterms, hopefully on the horizon, victor Orbon loses election in Hungary, and we're going to answer all your questions from the DM So stick around. I thought I just lost my laptop. I just had like a where to go.

00:00:42
Speaker 2: I knew where it was. Should have just asked me what I just told you?

00:00:46
Speaker 1: Oh no, That's what Renter's insurance is good for, though, because it covers like laptops and stuff.

00:00:51
Speaker 2: So if you lose your laptop someplace else, you.

00:00:54
Speaker 1: Have to pay like the at least for my policy, I think I have to pay like a five dollars deductible replace it. But I think I had to call them and tell them that I wanted electronics covered, and they did it. Okay, because I do lose it a lot.

00:01:08
Speaker 2: You lose important things.

00:01:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, you said, okay, so serious, like.

00:01:15
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean I'm trying to think I hate losing things.

00:01:20
Speaker 1: I mean I don't get I don't drive joy from it.

00:01:22
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know. But like I misplace things a lot, I don't actually lose them, if that makes sense. I end up finding it. And sometimes I'll buy another thing, okay, and then I'll find it and then just return the other thing.

00:01:36
Speaker 1: Oh you do, Okay, See, I would never I don't have that kind of follow through. Alyssa and I are the same like that, We're like, whoa messy, Well we'll just have like four the same thing.

00:01:47
Speaker 2: Well that's the case them. But I, you know, okay, so you know what would happen to me all the time. I hate traveling without headphones.

00:02:00
Speaker 1: Melissa Melbranch Melissa no middle name, mel Branch. I got on so I had to go to d C, which is my least favorite place on earth?

00:02:08
Speaker 2: Is it really? Yes?

00:02:09
Speaker 1: And I texted CJ and I said, next time someone tries to book me in DC, polase say no.

00:02:16
Speaker 2: I'm going to be in d a couple of weeks.

00:02:17
Speaker 1: Okay, Thoughts and prayers because when I was there, so I get on the am track, which is already I'm already upset. I'm already upset. And this was after that guy recognized me, was that my wife loves you and took a photo of me looking dishoveled. So I get on the amtrack.

00:02:35
Speaker 2: I love that actually, And after years.

00:02:37
Speaker 1: Of these headphones working, no problems, beautiful, incredible sound, noise canceling, just what you need when you're on Amtrak, even if you're in the choir card, there's always some guy.

00:02:48
Speaker 2: Well also, I just want to block everybody out.

00:02:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I needed to lock in on a couple documents these headphones sent me Do Not Resuscitate Notice d n R on my headphones gone after years, and it was like a four hour train ride. And I know, I like, it's such a first world problem, but you know what, it really was awful.

00:03:14
Speaker 2: Cig and I were talking about this earlier, about like things that happen, and like it's like, oh, and then you feel bad, like you that this is the thing that you're upset about, and I'm like, but this is your life.

00:03:24
Speaker 1: Yeah right, what it is my life and I'm never going.

00:03:27
Speaker 2: Back to dat. But it's not like you don't care about things that are happening to other people, but you're allowed to be annoyed about that.

00:03:34
Speaker 1: I was like going to lock in, put on white noise, and work on someone's asylum application, like it was actually to help someone else. So like, I did really need those headphones in that way, So I did buy a ten dollars pair to just keep in my back aut all times for emergencies.

00:03:53
Speaker 2: Go. Here's what happens to me though, I do that, and then you lose them, and then I and I leave them somewhere. So then what ends up happening is the first part of my commute, I would get off and there was an Apple store, so I would go into the Apple Store and I would buy new corded chadphones, right, because I like left my air pods at home.

00:04:12
Speaker 1: And you also need to be able to talk to me on the phone, not at all times while you were walking in Yeah, correct.

00:04:18
Speaker 2: And so what ends up happening is that I have this collection. It looks like a nest of like all these headphones because I've bought them repeatedly, tangled entangles, just a nest of them.

00:04:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when they opened they opened the wall in our in our house, when I was a kid and there was like a nest of mice in there. Oh, it's like that. This is sidebar. Let's get into a sidebar of just a little personal story. What's going on in our lives. What's happening with you?

00:04:51
Speaker 2: Me?

00:04:52
Speaker 1: What's happening me and you?

00:04:53
Speaker 2: You and I?

00:04:54
Speaker 1: Your nails look nice. I got my toes done. My friend picked out, so I have my I have a friend. She she is so not I love her so much, but Jesus Christ, sometimes the choices she makes stylistically, I'm like, girl.

00:05:11
Speaker 2: For herself for years, for herself.

00:05:13
Speaker 1: Okay. So we're getting her nels done and she's picking and I'm like, oh, let's pick a color. She picks neutral.

00:05:20
Speaker 2: For the toes. Neutral toes are the worst.

00:05:23
Speaker 1: Light green. I'm like, what, like, like green? No, I'm asking her. I'm like, pick a different one. Yeah, next one, light brown? But is that the next one?

00:05:39
Speaker 2: Girl?

00:05:40
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

00:05:40
Speaker 2: But is that what she likes?

00:05:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like pottery teacher coded like, it's very it's very shops at che goes. Yeah, it's very birth which one you know what I would say birth? Okay, yeah, because there is a difference there.

00:06:00
Speaker 2: No there's of course. I actually thought about being a death doula. Yeah, it might happen one day. You're so annoying, not.

00:06:11
Speaker 1: Me thinking death duel has just shoot people.

00:06:14
Speaker 2: I was actually talking to my sister in law about this over the weekend and she.

00:06:17
Speaker 1: Was like, well, someone kill me, and you were like actually, and she was like.

00:06:22
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, She's like, you probably would like that. And then my mom my mom my mom was there and she was like, she was like, what is that? And me, I was like, you sort of help people transition over and then you you also help their families, and my mom was like, it was just straight faced emoji magalie.

00:06:45
Speaker 1: I feel like it's really hard to wrap your head around getting into that. But once you're like in that space, I bet it's probably pretty you get used to like.

00:06:56
Speaker 2: It would be very rewarding. I think that you know. The other thing I think, and this is it's a short relationship, do you know what I mean? Like you do you help the people and then you're you're done right, as opposed to like I think regular jobs, you got to see those people all the time.

00:07:17
Speaker 1: And I don't want to sometimes.

00:07:20
Speaker 2: Especially the one person that you see there's always like the one person that you hate.

00:07:23
Speaker 1: Becky from Finance. Yeah, it's like Karen from HR. We don't want to see you go back to your office.

00:07:33
Speaker 2: You know, the person that I hate the most.

00:07:35
Speaker 1: Oh of course I know.

00:07:37
Speaker 2: I hate that person so much.

00:07:39
Speaker 1: We can't talk about him. That's CJ. He's in the studio right now. Wait. Fox News is reporting that you and I are married.

00:07:46
Speaker 2: Yes, did you see it? Did you see it? Oh my god? So I sent it to a mutual friend. I was just like, look at this and she was like.

00:07:55
Speaker 1: What speaking of HR? Exactly right. HR called me and said, you can't have a relationship with your co host.

00:08:02
Speaker 2: Well we're it's so iHeartRadio. HR calls me so weird, though, like.

00:08:10
Speaker 1: I think I need to clear the record. They did not call me.

00:08:13
Speaker 2: Oh they didn't.

00:08:14
Speaker 1: No, HRD exactly right, and iHeart I think are both gay men that I've slept with, so they know we're not married. There's no way that they.

00:08:21
Speaker 2: Think you're such a messy, messy bitch.

00:08:23
Speaker 1: So Fox News picked up I think one of my videos, which bots often pick them.

00:08:28
Speaker 2: Up, misreport Michael Foot and his wife.

00:08:38
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, my parents are going to be thrilled they're gonna be like, finally we knew it was a phase.

00:08:48
Speaker 2: He's bringing home a black wife twenty five who's also like a good fifteen years older than he is.

00:08:58
Speaker 1: Intergeneration into transracial marriage.

00:09:04
Speaker 2: No kids, loves to thrift, love, has a cat.

00:09:09
Speaker 1: They'll be thrilled. So my dad's like value systems on who comes into the family is based off like what services you can provide him. So what do you like? Brad's an architect, so he's like, great free architect. I before like you. Okay, So if you're going to be my I guess work wife. Yeah, you've got to think about, like what value you can add to.

00:09:30
Speaker 2: Kevin's What is what is Kevin like? I can I'm a really good cook.

00:09:37
Speaker 1: Okay. He likes food, Yes, he loves food. I think that's great. I think you just figured it out. I think he would love that. Loves good conversation and a stiff drink. Okay, So I think I mean you already got your podcaster. So that's the first the conversation you got down. Sure, and I've seen the strangers. I've seen you drink. You've met my dad.

00:09:57
Speaker 2: I have met your dad.

00:09:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were married at the wedding.

00:10:05
Speaker 2: He gave me Michael's hand in marriage. It was lovely. It was lovely. That's what confused Madeline. That's why she said that you weren't coming. She was like, I thought he was supposed to marry ants.

00:10:20
Speaker 1: This does feel like something that would happen in an Ai fruit video. Is that I'm.

00:10:25
Speaker 2: Trying so hard to like stop that ship because it's I've now there are shoes. It's so I saw the crock, the crock. Yeah, So this week I've been like, every time it pops up, I go past it really fast. It's too I don't want it. I need to banish it. I need to banish it.

00:10:49
Speaker 1: I will not die.

00:10:52
Speaker 2: In the name of Jesus.

00:10:55
Speaker 1: I will not Melissa every time she is the video of the plane in a thunderstorm and over Africa, it was I.

00:11:03
Speaker 2: Think the I believe that they were going to Nigeriagia, but I saw it on the Haitian interwebs because we were like, that's us too, and so they were. They showed the difference between It was like a flight going to like Ireland that like got bumpy and people were just like basically very quietly yes, praying the Irish Catholics. But the plane that was going to Nigeria, people were like, they were praying out loud and they were like, you know, asking God to save them. And my favorite one is in the name of Jesus, I would not die. I would say.

00:11:45
Speaker 1: That to each other all the time.

00:11:48
Speaker 2: I just think I think it should be everyone's mantra in the name, in the name of whoever. Right, But I'm not going to die today today, not the day.

00:11:59
Speaker 1: It's an Honestly, we increasingly in America need to say that more and more because we never know what's going to happen.

00:12:05
Speaker 2: It's never good.

00:12:10
Speaker 1: Let's get into your algorithm is showing this is all the weird, crazy things happening on the internet. Right it's Monday morning.

00:12:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not Monday morning.

00:12:18
Speaker 1: Okay, Well see I'm already lost in the space kind of them continuum laughing. How late I was to the studio.

00:12:27
Speaker 2: Today is absolutely we never recorded.

00:12:34
Speaker 1: I did see a thing on my algorithm about why gay people are late. I think it's like a theory. I don't think there's like an actual science or doctor behind you give me this the internet theory, which I think is just I think it's just some gay person. Yeah, gay person with Wi Fi.

00:12:51
Speaker 2: But what's that?

00:12:54
Speaker 1: People have always had to operate on like a shortened timeline with their life because of yase, persecution, death aids crises. So gay people like take on more responsibility and try and do more things and in less time, no, assuming that they're not going to have one hundred years to get everything done. Okay, So that is like the theory. I don't know if that's been proven because for me, I'm like, I have so many ex boyfriends who are lazy pieces of shit who did nothing. So I'm like, I don't know how true that is for to say, for an entire population, Uh huh, just deadbeat assholes, dead beats lining the gutters something.

00:13:36
Speaker 2: A hobosexualist excuse.

00:13:39
Speaker 1: Me, No, this is like you're gonna surprise me with this and then next week we're gonna have to have the hobosexual specialist on the show.

00:13:50
Speaker 2: So a hobosexual is it's usually a man. It's usually a man who is in a relationship with a woman and the guy is a loser, right and basically he's hanging on to you, the woman, because he's got nowhere else to go. He's a hobo, right, So he's a hobo sexual. I can feel I can feel them on this video. I mean I didn't make it. I didn't make it up. I heard it somewhere and I thought it was really funny. I've never before I think, you know what I mean. I think that it's something that i've heard on like you know, like social media.

00:14:34
Speaker 1: Right.

00:14:35
Speaker 2: No, so social media that's geared towards women, right, So if that's not what.

00:14:41
Speaker 1: It's a guy who's like with you for your money and you're taking care of me is not working.

00:14:45
Speaker 2: He's not working. The other thing that I that I had seen once that said somewhere this morning, there is a woman being driven to work by a man in her car when he he goes back to her house to not do ship.

00:15:04
Speaker 1: I love the driving me to work, though I would love a little ride to work. That's that sounds kind of nice. Actually not do anything? Is it going to clean up? Contribute a little bit?

00:15:13
Speaker 2: He does nothing. He's a homosexual. It's like he goes he he drops you off. Okay, he goes home, probably drinks, probably smokes weed, and watches what's the sports show that's on all the time. I know, it's the only sports show like.

00:15:33
Speaker 1: Sports sports Center.

00:15:35
Speaker 3: Sports Center, Sports sports Center, Sports Center is on a loop and the same ship over it's like every hour and it just starts over sport.

00:15:49
Speaker 2: No, it's like the same ship. It's like the same twelve news items and it keeps on going.

00:15:57
Speaker 1: I swear to that is like, Okay, so when I get too high, I will watch the same thing over and over.

00:16:03
Speaker 2: I think, well, yeah, that's what I think.

00:16:05
Speaker 1: That might be what's happening, That's what's happened. I was on a I was a guest on a podcast. It was an advice podcast, and so we called in and their husband was home like Monday for like ten days at a time and then would travel for work.

00:16:19
Speaker 2: For just intent yeah gotcha.

00:16:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and he was doing nothing for the ten days and that they were asking like what do we do? What do I do with this man who's just like hanging out for ten days straight?

00:16:31
Speaker 2: He did nothing?

00:16:32
Speaker 1: So and then that was like the thing was she was kind of like, well, he does cook and he does take the kids to school.

00:16:39
Speaker 2: And I was like, oen, okay, yeah, it might be No, it's a U problem. Yeah because coming from yay. Yeah, because when you said that she was saying that her husband did nothing. I thought he was sitting in his underwear watching Sports Center. You know what I mean.

00:16:53
Speaker 1: We have to talk about what's happening online right now. It's Trump has decided the one person that his base likes more he's going to take them on, and that person is the Pope. I know that no one in his base love Jesus the Pope and then him and he was like, I'm going to go for one and two.

00:17:10
Speaker 2: The best part though, is like, this is not a pope like any other pope. This Pope is from Chicago. Yes, and I, oh, this is the other thing I wanted.

00:17:18
Speaker 1: From the South side of Chicago.

00:17:20
Speaker 2: So he also, you know how I always say like nothing can happen to me because I had the blood of revolutionaries running through my vancs On Haitian. So the Pope, Pope Leo is very distantly Haitian.

00:17:31
Speaker 1: Really, yes, wow, I didn't know that. Oh, don't talk with Asian people. It's like rule number one.

00:17:38
Speaker 2: So I mean, and I just love and I was looking to see what percentage of the of Americans are Catholic. Is about twenty percent?

00:17:46
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a lot that's a lot.

00:17:47
Speaker 2: That's a lot. And the majority of those Catholics are white Catholics.

00:17:52
Speaker 1: Comma, are many Christians really gnf about the Pope like.

00:17:59
Speaker 2: They're they love not just Catholics, like a lot of people.

00:18:03
Speaker 1: All Christians are like, he's our guy, He's the guy. Yeah. So I mean, I'm sure there's going to be one weird sect of Christianity. He's going to be in the comments.

00:18:11
Speaker 2: Being actually.

00:18:13
Speaker 1: That we hate the Pope, and it'll be someone Yeah, so sorry, Ezekiel out to the Distant Book of Jebediah. But yeah, so here's the tea. This is a breakdown of what happened. So Trump and the Pope started beefing on the internet. Trump Trump did a photo of him as Jesus.

00:18:38
Speaker 2: Okay, so if it's the one that I think that you're talking about right where he's yeah, correct, and he's and he's over somebody laying hands on them in the backgrounds. So I didn't realize this. So originally in the background it's like three military people like soldiers with like their you're on right, And then he changed it and so there are two like soldiers and the one thing in the middle is like a horned demon. And so here's the thing. Do you hear what I'm saying? Don't I sound insane?

00:19:17
Speaker 1: But this is why I do disassociate sometimes and I feel like I have to talk to my doctor.

00:19:21
Speaker 2: Because I oh, yeah, right, he edited.

00:19:25
Speaker 1: It and added a demon.

00:19:28
Speaker 2: Correct and then also there's like light coming from his hands. But here's the thing.

00:19:33
Speaker 1: This is why I think over a certain age, you should take a test before you should have access to the Internet, because like a lot of this is like when you know they take the license away from Grandma. Yeah, it should be like that because they're the ones who are clicking the fishing spot. I know, but this is it's in charge of a lot. But like, got a lot of responsibility. No, I know, he's famously important jobs.

00:19:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's President of the United States of America. And so so he took it down. Yeah, he was interviewed.

00:20:06
Speaker 1: Well, because everyone was his base was calling him the Antichrist, of course.

00:20:11
Speaker 2: But my favorite thing about this though, is that he was asked he was like, oh yeah, yeah, I put it up and I took it down. Actually, I really thought that it was a photo of me depicting me as a doctor or a healer. Because we're working with the Red QUSS. I did trust it, and I thought it was me as a doctor. Now here's the thing. Let's say I'm willing to that's the kind of the driving insane. Let's say I wanted to believe that he thought that it was a photo of him healing people like a doctor. You're not a doctor, though, Like, you're not a doctor.

00:20:49
Speaker 1: He's got a malpractice lawsuit. Now for.

00:20:53
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, it's me as a doctor.

00:20:56
Speaker 1: What what do you mean that's not your job. I don't think so. Earlier're not supposed to be doing You're not supposed to.

00:21:04
Speaker 2: Like what.

00:21:06
Speaker 1: But the for me, what was exciting, Well, I know this is twenty fifth Amendment. But for me, what was so exciting was so quickly the base turned on him. They turned on him so fast. His own like maga red hat owning people were like, oh, bitch, not this this is the one thing we were They were fine with the pedophilia. Sure, they were fine with the Epstein files.

00:21:31
Speaker 2: They were like, well, we're okay with you getting rich off of this. Sure, we love them, we love it.

00:21:37
Speaker 1: A quick war, we'll send our kids. Yeah, however, now you're beefing with the Pope, and that we cannot stand for.

00:21:46
Speaker 2: It will not stand.

00:21:47
Speaker 1: Cannot it will not stand stand. They will not sit and this they will not die.

00:21:55
Speaker 2: In the name of Jesus, not you jumping. They are real Jesus. Oh my goodness.

00:22:03
Speaker 1: Real Jesus. Well, the real Jesus. Please stand up and let us know. Why would you add a demon if you're the Red Cross? Yeah? Why is there a demon if you're the Red Cross?

00:22:15
Speaker 2: CJ. Don't ask questions, look at CJ asking logical questions. What's HAPPENINGSJ again, Like I was talking about this the other day, like the people who worship him, because they do. There are people who really love this man, even if they're not saying it out loud. Yeah, but Maga to Maga, are you just like do you think he's okay? What's going on?

00:22:38
Speaker 1: Well, there's some real Tom and Jerry shit going on in the White House lately because Mamania like she burst out through a wall like the kool Aid man and decide, oh yeah, and to give a statement about the Epstein files, to go on the record. It truly is. Do you know that meme where it's like people are talking and it's like hello and it's Moan's voice. She just like was like on a and she just like jumped in interjected for absolutely no reason. No one was talking about Epstein. Nobody asked you no, and no one was talking specifically about her and Epstein. They were the whole world was talking about the war in Iran, right.

00:23:16
Speaker 2: So now she's what she's done is she's made it so that more people were like, well, let me let me google, let me see.

00:23:23
Speaker 1: Was she kind of yeah, I'm not sure, let's let's look into it. So then they asked Trump. They were like, did you know she was doing this? And he was like what now what? And so then her husband is best friends with Trump, so like they're a four custom a couple, two couples, their friends. The husband told Trump, deport my ex wife this woman, Oh, had her deported to Eastern She then was threatening. We found all this out after Millennia made this random statement being like, I don't know anything about Epstein. The friend was like, I'm going to tell everyone the tea about Milania and Epstein. But she did that after Milania's statements. So we then found out why Milania made that seam as she was trying to preempt it because.

00:24:09
Speaker 2: She knew it was going to come out.

00:24:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the whole vibe of her friend saying that was very much like pay me to shut up. And we still haven't heard what that friend was going to say.

00:24:20
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think we've just no one is driving the bus. Yeah, no one's driving the bus. The bus has got no brakes. Yeah it we're just kareeming we're just going to careen into an account. But it's okay, yes, exactly what is happening to us? And you know, and nothing is going well.

00:24:43
Speaker 1: And nothing's going well, Jadie Vance, I don't know what psychologically is wrong with me where I have never been more energized to my life like what happened. I truly am, like on the therapist sofa, like what happened to me in my childhood, where I'm thriving in this chaotic environment.

00:25:01
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're very busy because of what's the state of the United States, and you are very invested in the work that you do every.

00:25:13
Speaker 1: Damn like, oh, a new Diva video. I can easily make one.

00:25:16
Speaker 2: Off of this Trump twice exactly, and you know, so it's not only are you just generally busy with your regular work, but it's also providing you with content, right, Like, do you know what I mean? It's all it's all content, the exactly, And I think that's that's a part of the reason why you're energized, because you are busy, and you are trying really hard to do good things for people, and you know, and you don't want to fuck it up, right, So yeah.

00:25:42
Speaker 1: I don't want to suck it up. I also think that like Court's been crazy, right, but I'm also seeing wins everywhere, Like there are a lot of I think, the crazier it gets, it's usually crazy for this administration because they've like kicked a hornet's nest or tried to do something or whatever. And there are more and more people that I'm seeing in the federal courts and in the immigration system who are clapping back or doing something in response to the right it's a house of cards that we're sort of dealing with right now. And so as where as that's sort of crumbling, more and more people are dog piling, and so I do see these like little moments, these windows in what feels often feels like a fascist, totalitarian institution. When I have to go to court and work on certain cases. But then I see these little clement where I'm like, oh wow, it's been dark for so long, right and someone just opened like the mousehole.

00:26:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a glimmer of lights.

00:26:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, cool. I can kind of see. But not everyone gets those moments to see that. So I have all this energy and then everyone around me is like collapsing in the street.

00:27:00
Speaker 2: Because it's just it's so appalling, and you just feel like it's just going to get worse. It is, and I think it will get worse before it gets better. He's not done.

00:27:11
Speaker 1: Something is going to happen at the midterms. What there will be ICE presence at the midterm election at the booths? Absolutely, that is my prediction. Absolutely. He sent ICE agents to airports within hours. They were there overnight. There was no congressional approval there, they had the funding and he decided and there they were. So the notion that he's not going to do that in Georgia, but he's not going to do that in a key battleground state is it's who are you fooling? You're in denial if you don't think that's going to happen. Speaking to you Congress people. Right, So, I think that we're going to see something happen. Will it affect the outcome, I don't know, but there will be some form of ICE voter intimidation at the poles for sure. And I think people think, oh, well, undocumented people shouldn't be voting, they're not supposed to be voting. Yes, that's absolutely true.

00:28:10
Speaker 2: That is true.

00:28:11
Speaker 1: However, there are a lot of documented people who can vote who are afraid of ICE. Yes, they actually, I would say, like most of them. Yeah, right, black and brown people because.

00:28:21
Speaker 2: Imic people, ICE grabs and asks questions later. Oh yes, right.

00:28:27
Speaker 1: So literally, I would say a third of my clients right now are people who have immigration status and I'm trying to get them out of removal proceedings right because they were picked up for being brown they went to Yeah. Absolutely, So we know that this organization ICE has no problem picking people up, shooting white people in the face. Like. So the notion that he's not going to use them is.

00:28:53
Speaker 2: Just as his sort of personal his personal like his secret police or absolutely.

00:28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, yes, So we do have the luxury of time as we march towards the midterm elections. So I want us all to be pressuring our representatives to do.

00:29:11
Speaker 2: Something, to do, to stand up, to stand up.

00:29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah about voter suppression. It is so important. We're watching everything, like so many there is. There's such a blue wave right now in America. All these special elections are turning around. Are you watching some of It's unbelievable.

00:29:27
Speaker 2: It is, and it is encouraging. And like you said, I have to remember that these are the little glimmers of light right that people are and also people who were Trump supporters who are now who were saying, I voted for him three times. And you know what, I am disappointed. He has disappointed me. And I think that you know, all the things that he said that he was going to do, right, he was going to lower grocery prices more expensive than ever. He wasn't going to go to war here we are price he was going to you know, deal with the Epstein stuff.

00:30:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:30:05
Speaker 2: So all the things that he said that he was going to do, he hasn't and they've completely turned around. And I think people are like, you know what, he's bullshit.

00:30:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it is. There is so much change happening. I just want us to keep our foot on the necks of our representatives to make sure that voters aren't suppressed this fall, because it's coming up. We're all going to go enjoy summer and then it's going to be here before we know it. So like now really is the time?

00:30:36
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:30:36
Speaker 1: Do you see the the guy at the Courtyard Marriott drinking wine. He's on a work trip at the Courtyard Marriotte in Westbury, New York, on Long Island, and the the the lobby bar keeps pouring him like huge pores of white wine.

00:30:54
Speaker 2: Like mugs of white wine.

00:30:56
Speaker 1: Okay, every single day he updates the Internet about his glass of wine. This is so niche. This is like my curated algorithm. But if you know, you know there is people are just posting photos of huge glasses of white wine all over my feed now because of this one guy who's at the Courtyard Courtyard Marriyout in West New York on a work trip, getting drunk in the.

00:31:19
Speaker 2: Lobby getting wine wine lobby bar. I wonder if it's and then oh it's peanutree show, okay, thanks, and the bar closes at ten pm. So he goes at nine fifty five and she.

00:31:33
Speaker 1: Look look look, look, look, look look look fills that all the way up the wine glass to is she's trying to empty out the bottle because he's like, I'm in Westbury, New York for for a work trip. Huh, I'm going to get drunk.

00:31:45
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm.

00:31:46
Speaker 1: Going to get drunk every night. Please fill up my glass of fly. Okay, all right, let's take a break. Let's get into under oath. This is a deep dive into a topic of what's happening right now now. I think we want to talk about what's going on in the Hungry election, which the results came back yesterday.

00:32:06
Speaker 2: I know, and they were very exciting. They were exciting. We're happy for them. I think what's really interesting is how shocked Oban was like he was just like like he was just like, really you sure? I wonder if that is going to be significant in the sense of, like, are we seeing like the winds change a little bit that people are like pushing back on that kind of thing. What do you think?

00:32:36
Speaker 1: I hope? So yeah, I am like very hopeful, but I have also been like beaten with a stick, So I feel like maybe like hopeful asterist, let's cover, let's like go through it, because I actually didn't follow it super close, and then I kind of was late to the party. So after sixteen years in power, Victor Orbon and his party were defeated in a historic election.

00:33:06
Speaker 2: And they were slaughtered. Yeah, it was a shall lacking, right, It wasn't close. It was overwhelming. The loss was overwhelming. And this is what I was saying. He was he seemed so taken aback by it.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: It has ended one of Europe's most entrenched populist governments.

00:33:26
Speaker 2: But I read earlier also was that for the first time the people who came out to vote it was something like eighty percent of the population. It's a huge, huge number.

00:33:39
Speaker 1: Massive public engagement, is what I'm seeing. And I feel like this is happening in America too. Right, there's an analog here where we can say that so much of new policy and administration in America is affecting populations that wasn't affecting them before. Right. Everyone has to drive to work, everyone has to pay at the pump, everyone has to buy groceries. And so even these even you know, the ignorant people who are like, well, I'm not political. Your existence is political. It always has been. You're now more acutely.

00:34:10
Speaker 2: Aware of maybe you're feeling it more.

00:34:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think that you know, that eighty percent turnout in Hungary is directly related to, I think, what we can expect in the midterms and in the next primary election in the US, because so much of the new policies in America are hitting populations that just weren't feeling politics traditionally before, right, people of color, gay people, we've always been acutely aware of what's going on in politics. We have to be because legislation literally is deciding whether we live or die contexts. So that eighty percent, I think, is like an interesting marker of what could potentially happen in the US.

00:34:48
Speaker 2: I think the other thing that my understanding of what was happening in Hungary is that the people just sort of finally had enough. Yes, right, that people of Hungary were really struggling with poverty.

00:35:00
Speaker 1: Yes.

00:35:01
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, he had, you know, like a zoo in his home, right, So if you if you have like a pet peacock or you know, a zebra, but you're expecting me to not be able to feed my family, Eventually, enough is going to be enough, and I'm going to figure out a way to rebel I.

00:35:19
Speaker 1: Mean these are A to B comparisons, right, Like we can compare the Zoo to the New White House ballroom.

00:35:25
Speaker 2: Right and the and the his arc. What you didn't see the arc? No, it looks like it looks like Trump. It looks like I.

00:35:35
Speaker 1: Thought this was in Hungary. And this is why I don't go to DC. That's why I hate going to d C. What is that? That's Washington Square Park.

00:35:43
Speaker 2: It's not Washington Square Park. It's the arc that Trump wants to build in the Potomac as a monument to himself.

00:35:51
Speaker 1: I mean the audacity, the audacity of Hope, the audacity of Trump to build a monument to I mean, did you see wait, did you see the like vigilante artists who made Trump and Epstein embracing like the Titanic and put it no, it's huge, and then put it right by the uh like the Washington Monument.

00:36:18
Speaker 2: I love that. No, I didn't see it.

00:36:20
Speaker 1: They like did it overnight? Yeah? But I think like the direct connection to what's happening, what happened in the Hungry election is that it wasn't that who was running was very compelling. And let's face it, going into an election with we don't. I don't know. What do you know of any Democratic potential candidates who are blowing your socks off? Because I am for me, it's Gavin Newsom, is all I've really heard.

00:36:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, okay, but we you know, I not very excited, not super excited. I think I think desperation has set in.

00:36:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:36:53
Speaker 2: Right, So it's it's like what we did with Biden, Right, we really thought we were like, all right, uncle Joe, come in to save us. We needed saving, right, And I kept on saying like he is going to be for people who watched Game of Thrones President Hodor, right, like he was just going to hold the door. That's what he was going to do. Is it too soon?

00:37:14
Speaker 1: So for that sorry god, but devastating episode ten years.

00:37:18
Speaker 2: Ago, But that's what we thought he was going to do. And we watched him get older and sort of feeling like maybe he's not as with it as he supposed to be, and also thinking that Kamala was going to sort of like do something to make us more excited about her.

00:37:37
Speaker 1: Instead they were like, Kamala, you're in charge of the border.

00:37:41
Speaker 2: Right, fix that. Fix that. She was it's an impossible an impossible task.

00:37:45
Speaker 1: Right then we had Brad Summer, which is like, how if you can't win with broad Summer, you can't. You shouldn't be running. She talked about running again. You think she's going to run again?

00:37:55
Speaker 2: She said she had said that she wasn't. And then recently I heard that there's something.

00:38:00
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is the TikTok impersonators of Kamala's voice.

00:38:05
Speaker 2: The thing about it was the reason why once Biden dropped out again desperation and we were like okay, Kamala and we were all in behind.

00:38:16
Speaker 1: I was excited.

00:38:17
Speaker 2: Was I was excited because she was all that we had.

00:38:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's a prosecutor.

00:38:22
Speaker 2: So she was all that she was all that we had. And now that's what I'm so disappointed about the Democratic Party, Like there's.

00:38:30
Speaker 1: No investment in the next Yeah, there's no.

00:38:33
Speaker 2: Star, right, there's like there isn't anybody who I'm like, yes, yes, that is the person that is who we need.

00:38:41
Speaker 1: And so I think what happened in Hungary was it wasn't that may Yard, it wasn't that he was so extraordinary. It was that people were so frustrated. Correct, And I wonder if that's what Democratic DANC leadership is going to be thinking as they're getting ready for the next election.

00:38:59
Speaker 2: I hate that. Though I know I want to be excited about the product.

00:39:04
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the prom date that you pick because everyone else said.

00:39:08
Speaker 2: No, or like, you know, you're doing somebody a favor.

00:39:11
Speaker 1: It's like Hermione when Ron asked Hermione after he asked everyone else, no, he didn't go to the Yeah, he asked Flair to go to the duel ball, and then Hermione was like, actually, actually I got I got a date. Yeah, So I feel like, are we going to Is that what we're going to do with our next election? Guys like, that's.

00:39:30
Speaker 2: What it feels like.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

00:39:32
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I'm not hearing anything.

00:39:34
Speaker 1: I'm not hearing anything.

00:39:36
Speaker 2: I'm not hearing anything. All I see is Gavin sort of coming.

00:39:39
Speaker 1: Out tuning my ear piece.

00:39:42
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm not hearing anything. It's just Gavin coming out over and over again, and it's it's he's fine.

00:39:50
Speaker 1: There are so many problems with Gavin Newsom.

00:39:52
Speaker 2: There are, but who else right now? Who else is there?

00:39:57
Speaker 1: Right? Oh? Wait? What happened with that guy? I'm totally blanking on his name. He's running, he was running for election, sexual accusations republic He was like, I'm not stepping down, and he did, and he did, and Republicans were like, we're going to come for you. And then he'd stepped down.

00:40:13
Speaker 2: He stepped down.

00:40:14
Speaker 1: Eric Swawell, Yes, Eric, Yes.

00:40:18
Speaker 2: And I didn't know who he was. You know, I didn't know who he wasn't.

00:40:21
Speaker 1: I had to explain it, man, explain it to me. Really, I'm in a same sex relationship. There's twice as much man's plaining.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: Sorry to hear that.

00:40:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything gets man'splained in this house. In this house, we.

00:40:31
Speaker 2: Believe that man's plaining is important.

00:40:35
Speaker 1: Laugh man's plain.

00:40:38
Speaker 2: But you know, I didn't know who he was. But again, it was so disappointing, right, It's like, and the other thing is, what does this mean? We are learning more and more about mostly men. I'm not saying that it's always men, but mostly men who are just abusers, right, their pedophiles, they're sexually aggressive, they they're a rapist. They you know what is that about?

00:41:08
Speaker 3: Right?

00:41:08
Speaker 1: Like?

00:41:08
Speaker 2: I just wonder what it is about? Is it that we're just learning about it? Because now we have more access to information. Has it always been this way? Like I was, I remember working with a woman, you know, when Me Too came out, everybody came out with their own stories of things that happened. And she said that when she was a teenager, she worked at a bakery, and she said that all the girls there was the owners only hired young women to work there, and everyone knew not to get stuck in the back with Joe because he was and she was like every and everybody knew, and like the girls would watch out, Hey he's back there. I'll go with you, or don't go at all, or whatever it was, And like women have always had to learn how to circumvent that kind of thing, and it is something, you know, I think if you sort of throw something out take a poll. I want to say that I started occasionally feeling uncomfortable by the male gaze when I was like twelve or thirteen years old. Really, and I'm not alone, I am not alone, and it's it's sort of like walking down the street, you know. And I think about this. The thirteen years old, I was in my Catholic elementary school uniform, right and feeling like a lecherous look, feeling it and not knowing what to do about because I was a child, right And what kind of a.

00:42:42
Speaker 1: Grown you don't understand?

00:42:43
Speaker 2: You don't understand, right? And what kind of a grown man that's what he's doing? Yeah, you know.

00:42:52
Speaker 1: And then incites like a trauma response, oh for sure, and like a young mind right, like and it shapes how your brain.

00:42:58
Speaker 2: Develops one hundred percent.

00:43:00
Speaker 1: Uh. I do think part of it has to do with access to information now, like people, it's easier for victims to connect with each other.

00:43:07
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, it is.

00:43:09
Speaker 1: And especially when you are a public figure like that, like so many, it's easy for people easy you're for people to come forward. I do love to see that we are taking it seriously and we're listening to women, because that isn't always.

00:43:24
Speaker 2: The case, correct, correct.

00:43:26
Speaker 1: We just saw it with Pam Bondi and her ignoring hundreds of victims.

00:43:30
Speaker 2: For you would and one would hope that as a woman herself. No, and I hear you, but like that's.

00:43:37
Speaker 1: Not a woman. That's a monster. Sorry, she doesn't get to call herself a woman. That's a crazy bitch.

00:43:42
Speaker 2: She's evil, No, for sure, for sure? For sure. I mean it's like, but like Megan Kelly, for example, who was talking about how you know Epstein, he liked them barely legal, like.

00:43:53
Speaker 1: Megan Kelly can eat it and die, like I truly hope she gets hit by a bus and I want to be there. No, I'm going to use some of our camera points on that. I'm gonna how many negative Karmera points? Is that in the name of.

00:44:06
Speaker 2: The name of Jesus. I'm going to say that is you were negative five?

00:44:13
Speaker 1: Okay. If she's an I'm not going to be sad about it. I think that's like negative three. I'm going to negotiate it to three.

00:44:21
Speaker 2: Okay.

00:44:21
Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, did you see the toilet paper factory that burned down? No, Kimberly Clark, Oh my god, Kimberly Clark. Great drag name. By the way, Someone take that. I bet somebody has that because I decided mine is Magenta Cartridge Low is a good one. One. Please talkwards at the stage. Magenta Cartridge Low. So there is h Kimberly Clark, toilet paper Miss Costco loves her Kirk. Yeah, literally, the like number one toilet paper provider in America. They a worker was so underpaid that he was like fuck this. No, lit his lighter and lit this huge warehouse in California that housed paper, like a lot of paper. It was like the majority of their warehouse stock was in this warehouse in California. Went up like well because it was a powder Caius paper. Yeah, everyone got out, everyone's safe, everyone's fine. And he said you should have paid me more.

00:45:26
Speaker 2: Oh well, now he's going to jail.

00:45:28
Speaker 1: Now he's going to jail. However, everyone online is like fair wages. What's up with fair wages? That the Kimberly Clark factory because now okay, so their share dropped four percent at market opening. Yeah, and everyone is talking about fair wages, worker rights at the Kimberly Clark factories. It got so bad he burned it to the ground.

00:45:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, But I mean I think it goes along with what we've been saying, like as a society, we are not okay, we're not okay, we're not okay, we're not okay.

00:46:00
Speaker 1: But also corporations listen to us when we say, pay us a little bit more so that we can afford our I don't know, diabetes medication, so that we can afford baby formula. Yes, like literally, just like the bare minimum is what people are asking for, and everyone's like shareholder value. Sorry, we're gonna put that over your well being. And so I think like, sorry, I know there were so off topic, but I feel like to us, really it reminded me. I had a friend who had a performance review at work and it didn't go well. Okay, it was like a mid performance review, and this person had done like such a ton of work, ate a lot of shit for the company, and they gave her like a mid They gave her like the middle of the road, and so she quit in the performance review right there. She was like, you know what, I actually did a lot and I'm gonna go yeah. And the manager was like, well wait, wait, we know we don't don't quit. We don't need you, we don't want you to quit. But but but but and she's like, no, you just you had the opportunity to reward me for my work, and you didn't. You had the opportunity to tell me, good job. This is a really tough year. I put it all in there, why it was tough, how I went above and beyond. You still gave me the five out of ten. Whatever. The score was, so I'm going to go yeah, and management was devastating, Sure they were. And it feels like that where it's like, I don't know. It just kind of reminded me of that of like, what's it going to take for you to recognize that your workers need to be paid? That this getting your shareholders a point zero two five percent more on their dividend isn't worth the well being of your employees.

00:47:44
Speaker 2: Right. Did you see that Oracle laid off something like thirty thousand people.

00:47:49
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and they're going to replace them with AI. Now.

00:47:53
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to do, but the CEO got some kind of insane bonus package.

00:47:59
Speaker 1: Yes, I think about that With Costco. I know Costco and Kimberley Clark are connected, but Costco is like its own company. I know they sell a lot of Kirkland products, but Costco and I think it's Bjay's. Costco pays their employees like extremely well, yes, and they stay for up to a decade. I think it's like the average. Yes, BJ's pays them nothing, and I think they stay less than a year each employee. They're constantly cycling through people. It's like how much are you spending to recruit people like that?

00:48:31
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they just think that people are dispensable, right, it doesn't matter. Yeah, and so so just sort of back to the spy. I was just thinking about this. So you know what this means. The price of toilet paper is going to go up.

00:48:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a shortage. There's a shortage because of this, like during COVID and like everything else, they're just going to pass that four percent cost onto the consumer. Right, So it feels like we're at a turning point. Sometimes, it feels like we're in this moment where people are fed up. They're the Luigi's of the world taking matters into their own hands. There are people like the sky at the Kirkland factory bringing it all down. We unfortunately, and I don't want to get into a space where I'm encouraging people. No, we're what we're doing, but looking at the facts, looking at the numbers. The shareholders of United Healthcare sued. United got together and sued because after Luigi allegedly murdered because there hasn't been a conviction there correct murdered the CEO, they started approving more claims and the shareholders got together and said, no, you prove too many claims. You're being reckless with our money. You've got to be looking out for us in capitalism where the bottom line everything comes down to shareholders, whether or not.

00:49:47
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really interesting.

00:49:48
Speaker 1: They got together and sued so because they proved too many claims.

00:49:51
Speaker 2: So they're proving too many claims out of fear. Right.

00:49:55
Speaker 1: Literally the claim approval rating percentage went up after that. So people online were like it worked, they said it not me, Yeah, they were like it worked.

00:50:11
Speaker 2: But I hate that. And I'm not saying that you.

00:50:15
Speaker 1: Are very French. It's very French. It's like, let's set it on fire. You know what, what if we burned it down? What if we stormed that steel? Like it really is, like it's a very French revolutionary it is coated, it is let music sounds delicious. I'll take two, right.

00:50:38
Speaker 2: I just I'm not saying anything new here, but it's just it's very it's still disappointing and frustrating to realize that, like this is what it takes. Yeah, it shouldn't take this.

00:50:51
Speaker 1: There is a documentary called The Price of the Vote.

00:50:54
Speaker 2: Oh the Hungarian.

00:50:56
Speaker 1: Yes, his name is Aaron Timar and we're going to sit down with him tomorrow. We're going to do a special brief recess short. Yes, and so we're going to release it as a short online. He covers this election in Hungary extensively, so I want to hear from him. So two point two million people watched this documentary in Hungary. It came out two weeks before the election. That's a third of their voting population. And people think it had like this huge impact on voter turnout in this election. So this documentary I think really changed the course of the selection. It's kind of interesting. So we're going to sit down with the director tomorrow. We'll release it as a short, a little bonus episode. I'm looking forward to that. So what are you going to wear cat sweatshirt? I'll I'll wear a dog sweatshirt. You wear cat sweatshirt? I don't think.

00:51:45
Speaker 2: Oh I do have a cat?

00:51:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay? Or I have my octopus sweater?

00:51:50
Speaker 2: What's that?

00:51:50
Speaker 1: People on the internet love it. When I when I was in psychosis during COVID, I got really into crochet and I crocheted an octopus onto a sweater during a mental breakdown. Okay, but it's really cute.

00:52:01
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.

00:52:01
Speaker 1: It's like the best thing to come out of one of my mental breakdowns, and people on the internet go ape shit for it. So maybe i'll wear that.

00:52:08
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.

00:52:09
Speaker 1: You've seen it. I've posted videos in it. Are you not following me?

00:52:14
Speaker 2: Speaking of not following? Okay, so our show, Brief Recess has its own social media presence that's relatively new. I follow us, my mom follows us, my friends follow us, A lot of you follow us. You know who did not follow us? Michael Charles. Okay, am my defense, There is no defense.

00:52:41
Speaker 1: I manage that account, so it feels like me, so I like switch between the accounts. I'm like posting and then I go back to my account. So I just never thought to follow myself. I was like, this is it's just me. I got to take this. It's my lawyer. Yeah, hello, it's my agent.

00:53:02
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Are you following us now?

00:53:04
Speaker 1: I'm following it now because you called it out? How did you even figure that out?

00:53:07
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll see how I figured it. I actually, to be fair, I did not figure it out. I was in the comments and a comment or said, Michael's not even following himself.

00:53:19
Speaker 1: Who's that that? I bet it was. I bet it was one of my friends. My friends are such bitches.

00:53:24
Speaker 2: I love that though I hate them so much. And then so I looked and then I went and confirm, and I was like.

00:53:31
Speaker 1: It does oh man, all right, well I'm following it now. Someone really clocked my teeth.

00:53:36
Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah, yeah, damn. It's really interesting people pay attention to like weird internet stuff, right, I love that. I know.

00:53:45
Speaker 1: All right, We'll be right back. Let's take a break. Let's get into tales from the d MS. Let's talk about all the wicked and wild, crazy, sometimes slutty things you send me on Yeah, you could send it to me. You could send it to the reef Recess account, which I now follow. You can send it to our email which is brief Recess at exactly rightmedia dot com. Or you can record it through my link tree. It's called speak pipe and you can record your voice and send us your But we do like to analyze your voices.

00:54:16
Speaker 2: We do.

00:54:17
Speaker 1: We do want a voice memo.

00:54:18
Speaker 2: A few things though. If you are sending us a voice note, remember to be sure whether or not you want us to like say your name, so try not to include super personal information, right.

00:54:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, yes, only your social circuit, No, your homage, just your credit card police. Okay, So this question is no, wait what.

00:54:43
Speaker 2: What I always say people? While Michael is a lawyer, he's not your lawyer. You can't skip that part. You're gonna get in trouble.

00:54:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't skip that. I told you just quick gaslighting so I won't be okay this do you want to read this question for me?

00:55:01
Speaker 2: Good day, wishing you a positive weekend? Question? Does US customs have the right to take your phone when entering the country as a random security check? That's a good question.

00:55:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:55:12
Speaker 2: I was forced to give them my phone at foot Lauderdale Airport. Yeah, and they held it for two hours. They made me give them my password. Yeah, I was held in the waiting area. They gave me my phone back and just sent me on my way. I'm just curious because I felt violated. This happened in January of this year. Can they do that?

00:55:32
Speaker 1: They can do that?

00:55:33
Speaker 2: And do you have to give them your password?

00:55:35
Speaker 1: You don't, Okay, So that's like the nuance okay, is that under the Fourth Amendment you have a reasonable expectation of privacy yeah, that is like the rule and Fourth Amendment garlies where you come at me, because I love the Fourth Amendment. Fourth Amendment. It's about your reasonable expectation of privacy, Like the reasonable average person would expect that what's on their phone is private. And this is like what courts think a reasonable person would believe. It's not you and me believing this right, this is what a judge decides. But if your phone is password protected, a judge and jury would then say, oh, yeah, that person had a reasonable expectation of privacy on their phone. Therefore they can't be forced to hand that over. But they can still do it. They can still say, like, you need to give me your pass code, and if you give it to them, then you're basically waving your reasonable expectation of privacy because you proffered your passcode when prompted. However, there's no law, rule, nothing that says you have to give it to them. You could say no, it's my phone, it's private, I'm not giving you my password.

00:56:47
Speaker 2: And what then can they do to you? Like could they if this person had said no, yeah, would they have been able to just keep this person?

00:57:00
Speaker 1: Well, what this person hasn't told me is if they're a citizen.

00:57:03
Speaker 2: Right.

00:57:04
Speaker 1: We have had reports of non citizen visitors to the US getting the boot because at the airport, at the airport sent back home. There was a big story a couple months ago over the summer, I would say, of a Norwegian tourist coming to America had a meme of JD Vance's bloated face. Have seen that meme. I love it. It's my screensaver, and so it was like puffy piller case. And they saw it and they sent him back to Norway. And then and then the whole Trump administration was like, we never did that. That didn't happen. It happened, and it's happened. There are other accounts of that happening. But if you are a US citizen and you're coming to the US, you are, like everyone in the US, regardless of whether they're a citizen, has Fourth Amendment rights. However, you don't have an absolute right to enter the US unless you are a citizen. So CBP, Customs and Border Protection can stop you right like review your document, look at your passport, determine if you should come in or not. Like they do have discretion there, which is why I'm like is this person a citizen? If they are, then you could have if you wanted to dig your heels and not give them your phone. Say it's protected, there's confidential information on there. It's none of your business, right And the worst that they could have done is helped them for a couple hours to look further into their background in their own systems, gone through their luggage, whatever, but not access to their phone. They can confiscate your phone US citizens, they can't. They have been confiscating your phones, the phones, and it's been worked. They're working through it in the courts right now whether they can do that, Which is why The Times did an article a couple months ago, right after the shooting of Renee Good, the murder of Verne, talking about how you should switch your phone, power it down before you go through customs and border protection if you're entering at a US airport, because it's hard or for the CIA to access your information if they confiscate your phone.

00:59:05
Speaker 2: Gotcha. But do they need to give you a reason why they're taking your phone from you?

00:59:09
Speaker 1: I mean you can demand one, but no, like if you come up bread in their system and they want to take it, they can.

00:59:17
Speaker 2: But like this person.

00:59:18
Speaker 1: They can do it all in the name of They got.

00:59:20
Speaker 2: Sent away like nothing, like nothing, what happened to this person? They were sent away like they gave him, They gave them the phone back and sent them away like nothing.

00:59:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:59:32
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you've been cooling your heel for two hours and for waterdal.

00:59:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, waiting for your to get your phone back. It's crazy. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's happening. Yeah, and that no one's stopping them right now. Hm, Okay, let's read some reviews then, Okay. I hope there's I hope there's someone from Pennsylvania telling me that I'm a stupid bitch and that I should kill myself because there is not. Last week, I know what was her name she was.

00:59:56
Speaker 2: She came for us.

00:59:57
Speaker 1: She was like, hey, you ugly horror. I was like, Jesus crazy, Oh my god. Okay. From the Afroman episode from Maggali Malbranch Melissa's mom, very nice show. I enjoy watching you every week. Oh, I'm sure she's talking about me.

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Speaker 2: She is talking about you. She's definitely not come so to me, And I'm like, that's not my mother.

01:00:22
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01:00:27
Speaker 2: I don't like her user name.

01:00:29
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01:01:20
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01:01:27
Speaker 2: Slowly she turns but keeps you in her sight. That is definitely my mom.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be a relative to leave.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to be a relative. But it would be nice if more of my relatives, if more of my relatives watched. Although I did see a cousin when I saw a bunch of my cousins this weekend, and my my cousin was just like I listened to it all the time. She was like, you guys are really good, which I really appreciate.

01:01:52
Speaker 1: Does Andre listen? Does your spouse her? Your other husband?

01:01:57
Speaker 2: My other husband doesn't listen at all.

01:01:59
Speaker 1: And that's when I talk so much about him. And he was like, I get that at home, you yapping non stop.

01:02:07
Speaker 2: That's actually fair, because I do.

01:02:09
Speaker 1: Just kind of burst into whatever Roomy's in and I just start annoying the shut out of him. Fair, He's like, that's what imagining what you're doing on the podcast. It's like I get plenty of that.

01:02:19
Speaker 2: I mean, I do, I do. I do a lot of weird, creepy things, sore all the time.

01:02:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, just name them straight to camera.

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01:02:31
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very feline. If you that's kind of like what, you're a cat person.

01:02:35
Speaker 2: I am a cat person, and I'll wait until he catches me. He's like what, and then I won't say anything. I'll just back away.

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01:03:28
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01:03:31
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