Spy Kids with Katherine Leon

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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies have woum Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start changing it with the bec del Cast du Dantana. Welcome to the Bedel Cat. Should you cheese to accept this mission for kids? My name is Jamie Lawton and my name is Caitlin Darante, and this is our feminist podcast about movies, about spies and about kids. We're pivotingly just those things. It's Caitlyn the podcast Bubble his Burst. You have to be more niche than ever. It's too broad. We can only talk about spies who are also kids and the media therein directed at them, So that means we can talk about agent Cody Banks too and one Oh, I mean I like t o as well. Yeah, I guess that that is. Is there any other kids who are is possible as girl kids? Who is spies? Well? Harry, Harry, Oh my god, there's actually quite a lot of media in this sub sub sub genre. We should have done Spy September. There's so many spy movies for kids. I like that. Also. Nancy Drew is kind of a spy. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, she I love I loved Nancy Drew's in Barbed Nancy Drew. Now there's a new Nancy Drew and now it's Barbed from Stranger Things? Am I making this up? Oh? I didn't think it was bar but there didn't. There was a movie that came out that was in theaters for I think two days and Starrying Emma Roberts or was that a different that was a different one that that was my I think that was my era Nancy Drew two thousand seven. When they came out in twenty nineteen, there was okay, I'm not got like brushed under the rug. I know, unbelievable anyway, So we talk about the representation of yes, yes, yes, and we use something called the spy test to determine whether or not the kids in the movie are watching our spies test. It's this is our wildest episode yet. Hopefully this isn't your first episode. Yeah. We talked about the betrayal women in movies, especially when there's both spies and children, and then we use the Becktel test as a jumping off point, and that, of course, is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Becktel. Also it's known as the Becktel Wallace test, and it requires that two female identifying characters or two spies in a movie as any general talked to talk to each other about something other than a man or a spy man, right, a man who's spying. Alison Bechdel, you know, is she is spy? Not that we know of, or maybe she's just that I hadn't considered what if we found out? Alison Bechdel was both a great cartoonist and icon and in the CIA that mean, did you want to cover she's got? I used to want my parents to be spies so bad because of this movie. Yeah, oh my god, I got so into spy culture after this. I'm so excited. Okay, so well, let's get into and we have a guest, as we always do. She is a dear friend of ours. She is a photographer. She's a producer of many comedy shows around Los Angeles. She's helped out at various of our live shows, including the show we did at San Francisco Sketch Fest and the New York Comedy Festival. People often confused her for our super producer Sophie, when it is actually Catherine Leon. I loved getting mistaken for Sophie. It wasn't honor, it wasn't welcome. This episode has truly been I think years in the making. I think before you established you were having a podcast where we were even friends, the only thing I knew about you is that you love SPI's the only thing I needed you to know. That's a good spy. Wow, it's really throwing me off. You know, a real a spy probably wouldn't love a spy movie so much because it would you know, it would be a dead giveaway. But they're kids. I'm not a kid. We're not kids. But are you a spy? Maybe that's what that was my way of telling you there should have been a spy There should be a spy adults spinoff. I agree. Well, there's sort of a spinoff called Machete starring Danny Trejo. I don't think it's not a real spinoff, but it isn't. There's a whole Machete series directed by the same director as My Kids, Robert Rodriguez, a movie franchise starring Danny trey Hoo playing a character and I think named Machete, who was also his character's name. In Spiks. We all wanted to be a spinoff of Spikes, but we can't be sure. Actually, if anyone in I would I wouldn't be surprised if Robert Rodriguez like snuck in a little reference in Machete just just for people's head Cannon, just because that is his code name. So in that series, is that his real name or is that a code name? I don't know. No one's ever seen, So it's like we're just really guessing. Maybe it's a direct spinoff. It's really clearly established at the beginning, and we just don't know. We just truly don't because we did not watch it right. But this is I mean, this was my intro to Danny Treho for this is my intro to a lot of actors. So we were like watching. When we were watching it back as a group last night, I didn't realize how many like I recognized Tony Shliu, but I didn't. Like when I was a kid, I was just like, oh, that's Alexander Minion. Yeah, I didn't know who Allan Cumming was. I was like, that's that's just was this everyone's first Allan Cumming movie, isn't It was definitely mine. No, I saw this movie for the first time when I was thirty true and so No, my first ellen coming was Josie and the Pussycats. I think that's I mean, there's no bad way to be introduced. Absolutely not. He's the greatest of all time. And I think this was the first time unless I had already seen Yeah, I'm pretty sure this would have been the first time I had seen Antonio ben Daris, although maybe it had seen Zoro. I'm not sure. I probably saw Zoro, like I'm sure I've seen Zorow either the first or tie. I don't know if the second one had come out yet, but I definitely saw the first one. I don't know, I don't remember the order, but there's so many famous Terry Hatcher is in this. I probably didn't even know who Cheech and Chong were definitely judges in this. Yeah, I definitely didn't know who my judge was. All I cared about was Carmen and like, I just wanted to be Carmen and Juny I think, really an iconic siblings. That was my whole thing with Caitlin, was trying to prove to her that My Kids was a perfect movie was that. I was like, this is the most accurate representation of me and my brother in any movie depicted anywhere. Was your age gap similar with your brother? I think so it was four years, which seems kind of similar. Yeah, yeah, my brother and I. This was I remember seeing this movie and maybe this is bad, but like the kids in this movie, it is like very realistic how much they beat the ship out of each other, Like you don't usually see that in movies. You see maybe a light verbal argument. The Carmen and Judy throws a dumbbell at his sister after she kicks him off of a jungle jack like she him off of a jungle gym. He falls to the ground, she plays on like hard like conte, she like swings off, and then when she turns around, he picks up a weight and tries to throw it at her and hits a plant or something, which I don't know. I remember seeing this movie and being like, oh my god, kids are supposed to hit each other. Thank god, I've been doing this to my brother. But it was like this would probably have been two thousand one, would have been around the time because my brother and I have like the same age gap where my brother got mad at me, and this is when I was like losing teeth left and right, and he planned a sting operation. Well, he's definitely he's no, he's just a devious young man. Where he he must have been like four or five, and he like crawled up into my bed and he slammed his butt onto my head. And I lost two teens because I because I didn't forget what he's like. You just told my Pokemon card and then like but slammed my head and then I got ten dollars from the tooth Fairies. Maybe your brother was the tooth fair He was so mad and my parents thought it was really like we got in trouble. But there my dad was like, so you sat on Jamie's head, He's like really hard. Yeah. I would have been in like second, second or third grade or something when this movie came out, So you guys were the target demo the right. So officially, Catherine, what is your history with this, your relationship, etcetera. I can't remember seeing it in theaters. I know that, like, I don't recall seeing it in theaters, but I definitely have the VHS. It is currently on my dining room table because I tried to give it to keep. I tried to give it to you. Um, but I just watched it a lot as a kid, and like a big thing for me, I think was being able to see like Hispanic representation and I was like, oh, these kids are like they kind of look like like I guess Judia doesn't look like my brother. But I was like, Carmen kind of looks like me as like a child old and I kind of saw a lot of my family and like their family and that was like cool. And that was probably one of my first earliest movies. Uncle, I have an uncle that is Danny and Cheech Marin and Antonio and Alan Cumming, Antony, my mom's Terry Hatcher. It's a whole thing. Um. Spy Kids was based off of my way of telling you, there's a lot of secrets you're revealing to me as if you are. Um No, I think I just watched it a lot when I was a kid, Like it was just I found it enjoyable. I thought it was super funny, and I think, like Jamie was saying, like, I was like, oh, I think I want to be a spy, like I got into I remember Scholassic book Fair stuff had like spy books and spike here that you would like order and I can't remember anything I bought. But there was nothing really to it other than the fact that we just liked it as a family. And I think because my parents knew who like Antonio Benderis was, they were like, oh, yeah, we like this movie too because we know these actors, which is a big thing because my parents don't really know They don't really watch movies and they only really know like big name people, and I think Antono Bendaris was like clearly a person that they were like, we know him. This movie is allowed, Jamie, what about your relationship to this movie. I love this movie. I remember seeing it in UM theaters with my cousins very occasionally. There's like a few movies I remember seeing with all kinds of my cousins very clearly UM and this was one of them. Were just so many children heard of sounds like my family too. Yeah, just like a heard of sweaty kids and like to adult, not enough adults to adults. But I remember this. My Auntie Bunny brought us because she had a huge crush on Antonio Benderis and she was like she was like just like a weird aunt thing where she was remember being in like the van and being like, there's something for everyone in this movie, and you're like, you, this is a movie where we had like we were still like poor. So it's like for ten of us we had like a tube of starburst and we would pass them down to each other. But I thought, for some reason this was like an embarrassing moment. I know this story, yeah, where like they were passing them down the row and for some reason I thought my cousins were unwrapping them for me was eating them with the paper on, and I was like, why is it taste weird? And they were just like you suck and I got junium. But I loved this, Like it also got me really really interested in spying. And I never I didn't see Harriet the Spy when I was a kid. I don't think I said that was my that was my like I want to be a spy because I've seen Harriet the Spy. I don't. I don't know, but yeah, And this was definitely the first movie about spiking that I've seen. And like I had like a picture of Alexa Vega in my room, like I just I love I loved it, and I remember I think that we saw two and three in theaters too. Definitely three because you had three D glasses. Yes, maybe I did to the three D glasses. Definitely sounds familiar, but I couldn't tell you what the plot was of three. Three. I remember three better than two because three takes place inside of a video virtually. Yeah, is that the Sylvester Salone one? I think so that. Actually, I'm so excited. It's a it's a really good and all three of them around Netflix too. There's those four to with Joe McCann Alba weird. I don't think any of the original people are in it, but I think the second one is about Donnegan, who's the guy that gets kidnapped, and the first one way Judge. I think judges in the second one, yeah, because he's the main like bad guy thing because his kids kids start becoming because like they're like, okay, spy kids are okay. Now Now it's like a weird family competition between Donagan's family and the Cortez family because I think they're just remember one scene in particular where they're at like a banquet and all of the parents get poisoned. And they're like the kids have to save that. Whoever's the best spy kid becomes like the spy kid or something like that. Incredible, incredible, Arisubtle, you've been nodding along. Are you also a huge fan of these? I'm not on arizontal. I was like going into it being like Hill at least are we all this? Are the three of us the same age, we're all okay? So yeah, just truly like one of those like prim downbies. I'm an eighties six baby, and that's why I've never seen it. Is so weird, like when we covered this like cific like run of ten years that like being born even a couple of years apart, like will decide whether you've seen it or not, like someone born in like maybe night, Like I don't know, Like, yeah, my younger brother, he probably doesn't remember seeing this movie for the first time or anyways, Spies kids, I love it. Should I jump into the recap? Yes? Okay, so um there are two kids. They're not spies yet, don't worry. Junie and Carmen. Carmen wants her mom to tell her bedtime story about two spies who fell in love. She tells the story the lady spies mission was to kill the man spy and his mission was to kill her. But instead of killing each other, they fall in love and they get married. And it turns out that those two spies are Carmen and Junie's spy mom and spy dad, but they've retired from being spies, they're not consultants, and they've started a family. Their names are Gregorio Cortez that's Antonio Pinderes and Ingrid the mom played by what is her name? Carla Gugina. So meanwhile, Juni, the little boy, he loves this TV show called Floops. You say that, like we haven't been saying that over and over again. Floops Figi is such a tongue twister. Okay, even now watching now, Floops, I would say is scarier than when I first saw it. There's like body horror in this show I have now in the graphics are wild. Now I'm wondering like maybe this was like the first movie where I'd seen like body horror, and maybe because it's now one of my favorite things, I'm like, maybe maybe I'm not giving spy kids, like I forgot how much of it, Like it was an impressionable film. The Tony Schlub at the druple head at the end and his hands. For some reason, the thumb people the thumb. Also, Katherine You pointed out that on Netflix the thumbnail for this movie is a thumb thumb. So it's a thumbsumb thumbnail someone that Netflix has. Okay, So Junie watches this the show Floop's Fog lease Uh. We see a scene where we meet Mr Flup played by Alan Cumming, my king in his layer. And then the bad Terminator from Terminator Too is also there and he's giving a lot of exposition. His name is Mr Lisp sure that I never understood. But and then Tony Shaloub is also there as Flop's minion named Alexander Minion. That's a reveal that you don't find out till later on. To take his glasses off before, I mean, Alan Cumming is subscribing to like she's all that logic, where like Tony Sheli takes off his glasses and Alan commings like, oh my god, I know you, I've seen you before. We're enemies. I don't like the implication that in order to become powerful, Tony Schlup has to take his glasses off as a frequent glasses wearer. That's fair. To be fair, you're not wearing them now only because I messed with the headphones. It's a whole thing. But I will say it was I don't even think this was done intentionally, but like it was fun to see that trope inverted for once, Like it's never uh man who takes off his glasses and then everyone's like, you're our bus now. Alexander Minion, Oh, such a goofy name, because Alan Cumming and Antonio bander Us have to say that name dead serious. It's a very serious situation. He is the bad guy, like he's the deep seated villain in this movie, and both of them do have to say it in such like oh way where you're like, oh, I'm scared. I have to be scared of this. But Fantonio Vanderis Reid was like pretty's like Alexanderminian and then Tony she lives like, yes, it's me great. Okay. So before all that happens, we learned that Flop is both I guess, the host and executive producer of his own children's show and an inventor. Oh sure what you mean? Yea? So Flop is also an inventor who we learned has been trying to make an army of super secret agents, but they turned out all weird and mutated, and now the only use he has for them is to put them as characters on his show, which sounds like it's almost saying something else that is like m that should that word shouldn't be in a children's movie. Oh, I think I know what you mean. A junior high in salt that hurt my feelings. One. Yeah, a lot of weird choices in this movie overall. But so Floop also has this army of thumb thumb robots, which are like sort of useless, and then he also has these highly trained killer robots that are designed to look exactly like specific children, which Floop calls spy kids with jazz hands when he says it, stare called spike comics. Performance in this movie is the best part of this movie. It's so good. And and in that scene, I think between the two of them, they say spy kids four or five picks, and so tell me more about these spi kids like Robert Rodriguez, you you goof Uh. The only problem with these spy kid robots, though, is that they can't talk and they don't have brains. Meanwhile, spy Daddy gets called on a mission because several OSS agents have disappeared in OSS is like the secret spy agency that they used to work for the spy parents. So spy Mom decides to go with spy Dad. We'll talk about that scene, okay. So they call uncle Felix played by cheech marin two Babies at the kids, but a bunch of bad guys show up, and then Felix is like, by the way, your parents are spies, I'm not your real uncle, and you need to deliver a message to the OSS, tell them that the third brain lives. Felix fights off the bad guys and then the not yet spy kids escape in a spy vehicle to a safe house. Meanwhile, the spy parents get captured by Floop, and we learn that Floop is after something that he thinks the OSS destroyed and he wants spy Daddy to rebuild it for him. Uh. And then the not yet spy kids have equipped themselves with some spy years, so they're getting a little closer to becoming spy kids. They're training themselves, they're training them taking, they're being proactive in training themselves to be spies. And then Terry Hatcher shows up. Never a good sign, never the but I forgot about the Terry Hatchery body horror scene and that, like because I haven't seen this movie and maybe like five years at least, and I was like, oh my god, like they really do her dirty in this anyways, Yeah, it's wild. She shows up pretending to be Oss, but it turns out that she and all the people she's with are also bad guys, and they tricked the kids into giving them the Third Brain, which is the thing that spy Dad had created that Flop is after. So the kids chased after the bad guys and they get the Third Brain back and now they're even closer to becoming actual official spy kids. But meanwhile, back at the Flupe House flu Flop Minions. Flope also lives in a really cool it's a boot shape. The castle on the top flop House is so silly. So Floup's minion, named Alexander Minion is like, hey, I made your spy kid robots look like Carmen and Junie, and then those evil doppelgangers go after the real Carmen and Junie and steal the Third Brain back. Uh. And then the kids go to this guy Machette as we discussed as Danny Treo's character, for help and that they learned that he is their actual uncle. But he's like, I don't want to help you because I hate my brother. So they his spy plane and fly it to his spy plane Flupe House. But Danny Trejo is also like, fine with it. I think he set it up. Yeah, and then he's like, ha ha ha, you you guys are wild. I love seeing Danny Trejo smile. It's always so disarming, sweet man. So they're at the Flue House now, where Tony Shaloub has promoted himself to to the evil mastermind behind this whole plan, and he's making copies of the Third Brain and putting it into the army of spy kid robots. And then Alexander Minion turns Spy Daddy into a Fogli and then Carmen and Junie rescue their parents with the help of Flupe, who is now a good guy because he cares more about his TV show than about building an army, which what a wild precedent that I can't quite at my head around that one. But I love that conversation that and Katherine, you're saying the like that shot where Floop is like in the clouds and he's huge for some reason and Junie is so little, and then it cuts back and at one point he's like sitting cross legged, just like totally thinks that this is real. That shot is so funny because first it's like standing because he's supposed to be scary, and then he gets closer to Junie and then he's like just lounging in the clouds. They're like talking about their feel having little therapy said, they really are, they really are, and Junie is the one that makes him realize that he's good inside. He doesn't need an army of robots. It's so that's you know, I mean rewatching it. I was just like, oh wow, like Junie harnessed the power of like Sensi boy to save the day. It was like his superspy power was expressing his feelings. It's true. It's true. So now that Floop is a good guy with his hell they all turn Minion into a Fogli. But he's like, he's like I like it. He has five heads and he's having a great time uh. And then the Spy family they're about to fight the evil Robot doppelgang or spy kid children, but then Flop has reprogrammed them all to be philanthropic or something. He's switches their brain to think that what's right is wrong, what's wrong, he's right apparently. So then they go after like Minion and Terry Hatcher and the evil Terminator from Terminator to and then they're like, where is spy family now? And then they live happily ever after, there's that great Alexa Vega who Miles went to high school with. I just found out to high school with. Goddamn everyone. It's and there, but Alexa beg it gives that powerful speech to camera to close that the movie where she's like, there's listen, there's spies and there's kids. There's sometimes spies should be a part of a spy family if your family is the most important spy kit of all and turns the TV right. And so that's the story. Let's take a quick break and then we will come right back to discuss. And we're back. It's time to get into deep cannon. I mean this is requires analysis. Yes, yes it does. For me, having never seen this movie, having not grown up with it seeing it through the adult eyes that I saw it through. You know, an objective observer will say to me, it seemed like the female characters and the male characters are presented as being generally eat really competent and smart and good at their jobs. And I think it's mostly because Carmen is older, but she is presentative as being far more competent than her little brother JUNI. So we see this a lot. This is like a thing and we talked about a little bit in Jurassic Park. This is something we've seen in a lot of movies where it's like an older sister younger brother, and the older sister is presentatives being more competent, which I guess makes sense for their age, but it's also good for us because we too often see women who are not competent. Yes, I I mean, I love I still stand Carmen to this day, like there's there and and like like something that I mean, it is like a more realistic sibling portrayal than you see in most kids movies, especially in a movie there's otherwise fucking crazy. Um Like I I really liked the sibling relationship and also that you see Carmen be moody and like kind of means sometimes, but it's not like the movie is never like and you should be like, it's she's being a kid. She's being a really smart kid. And I really like capable kid and a really spy kids and really spying, and she's spying the whole time, and and like even when she's mean to her brother, like it's she cares about him and she protects him and he helps her, and I just I don't know, I really like they didn't do anything. I didn't think to make her the girl spy, like she was just one of the spies, which I love, big sister energy love it. Yeah, that was great. I also enjoyed that you get to see a little boy expressing fear, being afraid, kind of being sort of the more sensitive one, and then the little girl being brave and like kind of taking initiative, because you usually don't see either of those things, or the roles will be reversed where it's like the boy gets to be brave, the girl is scared. So it's nice that you see that little flip and juny child warts I was thinking a little cousin the whole time. I was like child warts, visibility man and his little neon band, So it's my little cousin. Uh. And then I liked that they both had. For Juny, it's his his warts, and then for Carmen it becomes a critical plat point that she wears a diaper at night and like has bed wedding issues, which is just like something you never see in a movie from a kid who's also really cool and you're supposed to like them. So I was like, you know, like power to the child bed wetters, there's such but there is. I mean, it's it's like there is such a stigma, especially when you're a kid of like, you know, this kid still what's the bed? And like the hero of our movie still what's the bed? And yeah, her brother makes fun of root for it. But then they also land a submarine into Exa like moments later, so I'm like, well, I guess the bed wedding is kind of a wash. I don't know. That was a cool and that was also I thought that that was going to be a one off joke because it's said between the parents one of the many times they're trapped, and I like, I don't know if this was but I assumed it was Juny because he was younger and had warts or something. I don't know. But but then you find out later that it's Karmen and it's actually an important plot point because it makes them crash the submarine because she's like she's mad, AT's at him. Yeah, I don't know, like those like little details that like would I remember that from being a kid, because you're like, oh, bed wedders is not being made fun of, like sick I make I'm making it sound and now I'm like in a double dick, like I didn't actually wet the bed, Okay, Jamie, sounds like you did. Actually it wasn't wedding the bed in two thousand one. I didn't did only two when I skipped over that year. But back in business pp every night. Did you ever wet the bed as a teenager? No, I did, Guys, I've peed in my pants like at the door as an adult totally. Like I got so used to not when I would drive an hour each way to go to work, Like I just would get into habit of not peeing before I drove. So when I'm at the door, I'm like, I'm going to pee if I don't open this door. And I've done it countless times. I can't even I don't even know anymore. Remember my first breakup in high school, I was being so dramatic that I just wet the bed one day. I'm like, I'm not leaving my bed. I'm I'm too depressed. I just pissed myself, and I was like, that was a bad idea. This has been a nice sharing time anyway. So yeah, I think this movie, which is clearly directed towards like children and like families, uh, does a lot of good things in terms of representation that so many kids movies, many of which we've discussed on the podcast, do not do, and in fact, a lot of them have done more harm than good. But yeah, this one, as we said, normalizes bad wedding and warts. It shows girls and women being just as competent and smart as the boys and men. It shows Katherine, you touched on this. But so we're trying to figure out where this takes place and what exactly ethnicity this family might be because it's not specified, but we think it might be Mexico that it takes place, because I was saying that growing up, I just assumed it was California. I don't know it's because I'm from here, and I was like, oh, that could be in San Diego or like a coastal part like up north. Like it just never occurred to me to think of where they were. But we were talking, we were trying to figure out, like, oh, you brought it up, or you're like, do you think they're in a different country? And I was like, I never thought about that, And then rewatching it, we found so many context clues that it was like, Oh, they're definitely in a different country. Like how in the beginning, Spy Mom and Spy Dad say how they were from two different countries and now they're in one. So we're going to assume that maybe Spy Mom is from the United States because she's got an American act because she's I think either ambiguous or like she's supposed to be American. And then like throughout the movie, all the text that we see is in Spanish, and like and we've seen various characters speaking speaking of Spanish, which and like the school, there's like that scene in the school where you're like, well, none of the kids are speaking Spanish, and like, I can't really tell it could be like an easily in American school. But there's a scene where he almost hits he like breaks the car really hard on the lady holding the stop signs yells in Spanish. But like I think it was mostly the text on like the wart remover bottle, the text was in Spanish. One of the billboards, it was all in Spanish. All the stores were like they go into that clothing store and it says like neinos and babies, like it's all the Texas in Spanish. And then when they're at the park as well, there's everyone in the background is speaking in Spanish, so it's a Spanish speaking country. We can assume we there's no necessarily clear identifiers specifically what country it is. There was also that clue when the wedding scene, you're saying, how on the cake they have like the diodelus more at those like skeletons, and I'm I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's like clearly Mexican of Mexican culture. Yeah, I think so for that specific imagery, and Robert Rodriguez is Mexican, so like you can kind of assume that. And a lot of these movies take place in Mexican trying to figure out where this movie was shot, and I don't have much Do you say Santa Don't they say Santa Cecilia or something, And that's a place in Mexico we looked up, but like Antonia still and then but I think that iurposefully trying to be vague, and it's like, this is a Hispanic culture that we're like trying to show and we're intentionally trying to be because anton Brass is from Spain. But then like Danny Trejo and Cheech Marin, who they're all Hispanic, the two of them are in Mexican, so at least, at the very least, it's an ethnically ambiguous family, a mixed family. We're not sure exactly where Antonio Bander is supposed to be from or what ethnic group he belongs to, but it's some like Latin X or Hispanic. We can safely say that it's like Hispanic. Yeah, and a huge movie like taking place outside of America, um in a non English speaking country is like a big deal. Yeah, for sure, Katherine, you were saying that to be able to like see yourself representati or feel as though you're represented, that's like a huge thing because so many kids maybes you're just like white kids, white kids, white kids, and like, as a kid, you don't realize that that's what what's happening until you grow up, and so to be able to be like, yeah, Spike Kids, I saw myself and Spike Kids like that's how I was with all those Disney movies. It's like I could only be Pocahonest because she had brown hair. I can only be Mulan because she had black hair. So it's like, but you don't think about that context as a child, You're just like, well, she kind of looks like me. I guess that's who. That's the princess that I have to pretend to be or whatever, which is cool. Yeah, another point for Spike Kids love it. I guess this kind of ties into Carmen. But um, we were talking about this last night as well. Of the way I really liked how the fighting works in this movie, because this is like there's there's a lot of action elements to this movie, some that got more violent than I remembered. Terry how Watcher's head gets basically burned off, but then later that her wig is just kind of damnit, she's well, she becomes like the baldest woman in charge because she's like mostly bald, but and then she's got some like long straggly hairs, and she doesn't seem to have more power once she is Balder's true. But but one of the cool things is, like I think we see very often in action movies, especially action movies of this era, that women are only all had to fight women and men are really all had to fight man. And that is not a rule that applies to this world. We see Ingrid fighting hand to hand with guys. I don't remember. Do we see Antonio banderas fighting women at any point? I don't, just because I don't think so, but just because there aren't any other like women spy. I think the only other adult is Terry Hatcher woman. Yeah, that's true, I think, right, because all of the like food like agents who got turned into food leis, those were all yeah, those are all men, and so I think it truly is just Grid and Terry Hatcher's character. And then but then Carmen also uh fights her brother, a multiple robo brother, and there I don't know, like it's it is like kind of rare to see just there seems to be parody in in fighting in this movie too, Like it doesn't seem like like you were saying, Katherine, like the I think the only reason Antonio benders Uh doesn't end up fighting a female spies because there's not enough female spies in the movie. But I mean it, it is cool that it's not like I feel like it's always like the guys are fighting and this is the big part, and then we cut too. Also there's some women fighting over here. It would have been a very easy choice for when the two evil doppelgangers show up for it would have been an easy narrative choice for the girl to fight the girl and the boy to fight the boy. I think here's my best guest. I think that they probably didn't do that because it would have been much easier to shoot if the girl and the boy fight each other, and then the girl and the boy fight each other. It just probably would have been too hard to coordinate, like parent trap style exactly, fighting like a kid fight choreography would have been nearly impossible. But a catharsis like you were saying, you always wanted to fight your sibling. There's like a whole scene where they're in the Park when they first meet the robot doppelgangers, and she's like, I've always wanted to do this, and she like punches him in the face, which is not saying that, like, obviously that's not great, But there's like a sibling thing in you where you're just like, man, sometimes we just wanted to as a as a sibling. This movie appeals to my worst instincts as an older specifically as an older sister with younger brother. That was like the worst pairing. But and and then the other thing that I think. I think that in a lesser movie, Carmen, I think she's supposed to be like maybe nine or time. Yeah, because Junie, what is our best guest for these ages? I think, yeah, I think Carmen's like maybe ten, June's like seven. I feel like Carmen maybe like closer to junior high almost she might even be like twelve thirteen. And I feel like June is probably in like second grade. Alexa yeah is like I would guess older, No, I guess like fourth grade, fourth fifth grade. So Alexa Vega was twelve when this movie came out, and Darryl Sabara ak Mr. Megan Trainer was nine so yeah, that's about Yeah. So I think that anyways, in a lesser movie, especially if she is aged up to be eleven or twelve, um, I feel like they would have like tossed in some love interest for her too, because that's about the age where you're like, oh, I mean, if we got a female character, we gonna you know, we've got to be a boy for her to um. But this movie also opts out of that and just gives you five hundred more scenes of Tomy Shaloub, which I'm fine with. Better used of time. Sure, there's a nice little moment, and Catherine, you pointed this out when we were watching it, But as as they are taking the initiative, and it's mostly I would say, Carmen, who's taking the initiative to train themselves to be spies. Yeah, she picks up a spy manual by unknown author, very funny. She's reading from it and says, a good spy puts himself and then she adds into the text herself in the mindset of the opponents. So she's reading this patriarchal text that's excluding women all together, and she's like, it's not just himself, it's herself too. Yeah, she has to like self correct through the whole thing. She's also the I mean she I like that. They both have moments where they figure out what's going on. Um, but I think Carmen does get a few more of those moments because she's more motivated, less emotional than Juny and just like generally more bad as because she's all then he's nine, right, Okay, So I just thought of another. So compare this movie to Jumanji, the first one where Kirsen Dunnes is the older sister and then she's got a younger brother and then all of the like emotional weight and all that, like the kids figuring things out, that's all given to the boy. So but it's like Carmen figures out who Danny Trejo is through like context clues, and then like Junie is the one that is like, you're it's a tracking device, and then Carmen, you're right, She's like blank, blank it is and she goes, I hate that, and she just throws the tracking in the park. I just I just love that. And then she saves him several times. She has to save him when the drops him and she dropped him, but then saves him again that was a really scary shot. I don't know how to describe the cinematography in this movie, but it is insane. Love it so much. Shoutout to gear Ema Navarro, who is a cinematographer in this movie. It's like there are times that it's all live action, but it looks like a cartoon sometimes, like when she drops Juni like to his death, it looks like a cartoon, but it's still like really intense and scary and oh it's just so cool. Yeah, that's cinematographer. He's worked a lot with Giarmlo do Toro and like does some really cool stuff. Oh he did pants laber got kind of got uh, we got to take another quick break, but come right back, don't you worry. Also didn't know at the museum and we're back. When eclectic, I'm sorry, I'm still thinking of it, cinematographer, when an eclectic body of work. Um, here's a couple of things that I didn't like as much or that I found a little like. Okay, first one, whenever the mom is retelling the story of spy mom and spy dad meeting and Antonio panderis like they come to face to face when they were like about to supposedly kill each other. He reaches in to her top and pulls out the photo of him to be like, oh, I was your target. But it's like, okay, why are you reaching into her clothes right near her boobs? Not okay to show children anyone. I keep forgetting it just just I don't think we've even said the character's name yet. Antonio and Dari's name is supposed to be Gregorio, but we've just been calling him Antonia spied daddy, spies Daddy. There is a scene also where Ms. Gridenko, that's Terry Hatcher's character. She comes into the safe house. She says she's with the OSS, and then she and Carmen have this sort of like bonding moment where Carmen gives her the information she wanted and she's like, oh, you've just in the league of like awesome women spies. You know. It's like this like women got to stick together moment. But then it turns out that she cannot be trusted. She's working with the enemy, So this like what otherwise could be like a nice like yeah, women do have to stick together moment is completely nullified because she is an evil, devious woman right, which again it's like and there are I think that that issue more speaks to the lack of female characters in the movie in general, because they really have Carmen, Ingrid and Ms. Gradenko and that's basically it. Because there there are a ton of male characters and it's just like kids. There's like girls, but they don't do anything. And there are like characters similar to Ms. Gredenka, who are men, like Alexander Minion who turns out to be this double agent. But there's enough male characters that it's not your general impression, but because you only have three one coming in and being like girl power and then being like just kidding bit like that doesn't maybe um and something there there are a few things with Ingrid that, um, I felt like her character like was I don't know, like in general there there we we touched on this before, but there's that moment um when Spy Daddy is wanting to take on this this mission right to save my judge or whatever, and um he's kind of been working on it behind her back and then he's like, oh, I gotta go save my judge, and you know, spy Mommy comes in and and he's he's pretty dismissive of her, and he's like, no, no, no, like you stay. She's like, I want to go with you, Like I'm like raring to go on another adventure. She's all about going and becoming a spy again. And he says, no, you are mom. You stay at home. And then the way she convinces him is she has to like seduce him, which and then it works is that You're just like that was pretty lazy writing. Yeah, I mean Gregorio, spy Daddy is not a feminist icon. He just wants he thinks women should stay home in the kitchen taking care of the kids, and that is not okay spy Daddy. But when they are working together, it's equal. But I just that that scene, I was just like, man, come on right, because like shortly after that, they've been captured and they're tied up in like the Flupe house and she uses her ring. She uses her ring to like laser the ropes off of them, and like so she's the one who kind of saves them and like releases them. And then they immediately first of all, they go into the reality room or whatever or the virtual I don't know, some weird like augmented reality place like cloud room, and then it is always revealed to be a green screen. And then they end up in the Flue House dining room where Mr Plup himself is eating this like green sludge basically with a spoon very slowly, and he expects them to eat it also land on the table onto like a pile of gummy word. Yes, very weird. The other thing with with Ingrid that this is like more of a story thing versus like how she's treated. But it is like, I mean, I can see I can see this both ways. But you do get a lot more information about um spy Daddy's background then you get about her. And we find out about Danny Treho and where I'm thrilled to find out about the Danny Treho secret, right, But we find out like his family background and then we also find out about his secret scientist background in a room full of all male scientists. Um, and so, like his character gets a couple of subplots, and we don't really get that for Ingrid, um we get that the way she relates to it is she's like, you didn't tell me, Like she doesn't really have the upper hand in their relationship and he is then made kind of more important to the story because he was the one who developed the third Brain. He's the one who didn't destroy it, so like he's why they are the target of Flope and later Minion, just making him more integral to the story, whereas she's just essentially tagging along because they're married and she's by So yeah, it would have been nice like if we do learn more about maybe his backstory in terms of like his family history and connections and stuff like that, yeah, keep that, but then make her the one who was developing the third brain and like give her that integral component to the story. Like it's it is like way imbalanced of what we know about him versus what we know about her, which is yeah, and it's a yeah, it's it's a bummer, but it's like I wouldn't remove any of the spy daddy backstory for the world. It's all great, but it's it's like there she could have been included more meaningfully in that story or or like you said, like if she's involved in the Third Brain, then they kind of have an equal subplot power and for sure, then then we would have had a woman and stand which shit, you know, important. You hate to see it. I wonder if that imbalance is due to how famous either of them were, because Jamie you brought up a good point about like what level of fame was Antnio Benderis during this movie? Was he like too famous to be doing this or I'm just curious about like what level of like they maybe put more on into an Binders because he was like the recognizable face. But I don't, I truly don't know. I can't I feel what anyone's fame level was at that point, Like what did Alan coming through at that point? What was Tony? Was Tony Shaloub monkey? Yet, like there's no way to know, that's an actionable question. I like, it is so hard to be Like when was peque Antonio Benderis? I think it was like late nineties, although who can say we've accidentally thought that Tom Hanks wasn't famous before he was cast in Toy Stories, So we don't know anything. We didn't. I think we were just tired that day. But that and I had were any of those This is the year before Monks, so I think made him get There are people who are I mean the George Clooney cameo. I think is treated as if he is blatantly too famous to be And did you also know Richard Linklater is in this movie? For a second, Oh yeah, they're really good friends because they're both from Texas. Wait what is he? Is he like one of the bodyguards. He was credited as cool spy. He's probably one of the guys that like attacks the safe house or yeah, there is like a yeah, that's funny. Well, I mean Riguez must be an awesome friend, because I feel like everyone always like, yeah, like he he must just be like a really cool, nice guy or I hope, and it seems that way. I know very limited information about Robert Rodriguez except that he made Spike. Um. I've still quite of his movies. I've seen the like um Desperado trilogy. I've seen since that. He is I think still one of my favorite movies. I don't know, I haven't seen in a while. But Mike, I'm sorry. I'm just like looking at the credited character names to see if there's any female characters that we we didn't talk about. But there's so many male characters, but they all have such silly names. Alexander Minion Donegan giggles, what I didn't realize Mike Judge's character's last name is giggles Cheaches, Felix Gum, Mr Liss cool spy agent Johnny, Like, who are these who wrote this movie? It was Robert Rodriguez. Well to what you were saying, Catherine about like, um, did the like the level of the actor's fame play into like how important their character was? I mean maybe, but also like it just tends to be the default for especially male writers, and just I mean, especially at this time where the men were just given more important things to do, we know more about their characters. That's just been the default throughout all of history. So that's not great. Also, I think Carla Giugino is she's only twenty nine in this movie too. Yeah, she's only um so they really pushed her into mom roles kind of early because saying but yeah when this when this movie was released, she was only twenty nine years old, no kidding, Yeah, And Antonio Benders was like, okay, well that checks out standard Hollywood age gap. Love it at it again. We we've been talking about how there aren't that many female characters, but we're forgetting about the female coated thumb thumb. I was wearing a sexy nurse outfit. She has like very fem fingernails and they're painted, and she has like a very like the other thumb sums are like these like oh fish shapes. And then but the female thumbthumb was like a very like curvy, sexy shape. I want to I guess in general, I would say the sumptumbs are genderless, but then there was such a clear gender signifier of lady finger finger, lady lady finger that I'm like, maybe they are supposed to be male coated because they're unpainted thumb thumbs. I choose to interpret them as genderless, but I not me. I think that because of that clear indication we've got, the male symptoms are allowed to be like the soldiers, the spies, and then the the only female thumbthumb we see is thrust into this like caregiver nurse role so and like made to be sexy. There. Yes, I agree. I think I'm just like going with my own headcanon on this one. Even if Robert Rodriguez doesn't understand that the thumb thumbs are doing their own things. They're identifying as they choose. That's how I feel. I just have a several very quick notes things I noticed about the movie. Uh. One, Carmen in this movie looks exactly like how Joseph Gordon Levitt looked in Third Rock from the Sun. They should have cast him as her evil doctor Ganger. The sound effects in this movie are wild. Okay. The music. There is a song that Flope sings toward the middle of the movie, and You're like, did this get cut from Nightmare before Christmas? Like it is such a like Danny Alfman, Tim burtony And then big reveal it is Danny And then we learned that Danny Elfman did write some of the music for this movie. Man. And then I was like, now I'm gonna like question what I'm thinking about when I say this seems like a Tim Burton movie, Like maybe it just sounds like a Danny Elfman movie. And I'm not giving Mr elf his his Someone was saying, I'm just on such a Will Palter kick that if someone makes a movie about Oingo Boingo that Will Palter should play Danny Elfman. I'm just putting that out into the world to all of our listeners who are developing the ongo Bo movie, which is all of them, all of them yeah, incredible. Uh. Speaking of a sound effect, my favorite sound effect in the entire movie is Flop's cape. You hear it does? It sounds distinct sound and he does it so drastically. He like every time he gets up, he like sweeps it back and it's the loudest sound of I love his care I love him so much. I think Comic is my favorite actor of all time. He's terrific. He's my offer Molina. This is like I also think, no disrespect to Shalou that Alfred really couldn't knocked that part um, but you know he was busy being in Chuck a lot. Also, Floop is trying to figure out what's missing from his children's show because it's it's rated number two and he wants to be number one. And he keeps pondering this, and I think the answer is probably a few women in your writer's room, buddy, I'm guessing you don't have any. That's what's missing from your show, Mr Floop. And we did touch on this briefly before, but I really I thought it was so I kind of forgot this. I remember the vision how that scene with Floop and Junie looks visually because its blazoned onto my brain forever. But the fact that like a young boy expressing his feelings and trying to empathize with an adult and the adult being responsive to that, like solves a major plot thing. You're just like, oh wow, we're like because I feel like we were sort of saying like that is normally would be like the girl's role is to use the power of feelings, and if that had happened with Carmen, I would have been like rolling my eyes at it. But because it's Juny and he is kind of like even towards the beginning, Spy Daddy is kind of like Juny or too soft, stop drawing, stop watching Alan coming on TV. And and Johnny is like, I like it, and then like later, I mean, he proves himself that, like empathy is a good thing to have, And you know, Spy Daddy, he's he's got to untangle some of his you know, toxic masculinity and he can learn from his son. Hopefully he does that. In Spy Kids two through four, or whichever one season is, Antonio Antonio Vendors, isn't two write I don't remember. Aristotle confirms, yes, kids, But is he in three? I don't think I know Junasm he is in three. Everyone's in three when it goes crazy phase two of Kids. One of my favorite parts in the movie is when they go to the safe house and Carmen finds the drawer of like the stash of emergency cash, and then she's like, wow, emergency cash from every country and there are tens of cash, and it's like, yes, all ten countries in the world. I did look very hard and studied the flags and figured out that the country's represented are Canada, Germany, Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, the UK, the US, South Korea, It'll and Argentina. Fredriguez just pick his top ten. He's like, these are my favorite travel destination. Um. Just getting into the trilogy a little bit. I'm just looking at the list of names. So I guess in three and I have no recollection besides video game of what happens in three, But apparently we meet Mike Judges, Donnegan Giggles his whole family, and Emily Osmond plays his daughter Gertie Giggles, Um Matt O'Leary, and Salmahaiak plays his wife Francesca Giggles and the third which I'm like a weirder couple than Mike Judge and Salmahaak. I cannot think of in my brain, Like what did they talk about? I don't know. Wait, okay, but isn't Shark Boy and Lava Girl like a spinoff of something has to do with spy kids. I feel like it's stylistically. Isn't the girl like the two characters in the game for the third one? And then there's a spin off right and lounge regularly? Well, why did docs Taylor Lottner? I saw him there twice two years ago, and now I just say he lives there and he works there. Oh. I had one last thing. The Terry Hatcher's scene when they when she comes into the safe house makes no sense. Here's why. So she finds out that the third Brain exists only after Carmen tells her this. Up to that point, all the bad guys think that the third Brain had been destroyed. Whenever we see the flashback of Antonio Bender is crushing a walnut instead of the Third brain. So Carmen's like, no, the third Brain lives, and then Terry Hatcher says, oh, well, it must be here then, because it wasn't at the Corte's house. Why were they searching for something that they think was destroyed? Huh? I should be a spa when you should be the spy when you think about it. Anyway, Does anyone have any other thoughts about the film? I am just impressed of a lot of the comedic physical gags in this movie for being an insane movie. There's a lot like geared towards kids, but I feel like a lot of the like weird comedic writing things, and a lot of the jokes are like for adults or like kids won't understand. Almost I don't know. It was just like a good example of like gags I was saying in the film, like visual gags, and I was like, oh, I didn't know that you could do this and move like the George Clooney like off the eye thing and then puts it back on. I don't know, I really, I was just so impressed with a lot of those silly, I mean things. I'm like, really am Robert Rodriguez for making something so like extremely still like that just feels like using all the cloud he built up to this point because this was his uh seventh movie. Post from Dusk Till Dawn like he was a well established director at this point and just like went for it. We don't make a movie spy kid like kids movie, body horror spy kids movie. I just I'm like, man, that is that is a responsible use of power. I really like that's the cool because it's so different from most of his other work, which is like pretty like I mean, some of it's pretty like can't be violence, but like he's like Tarantino and that like a lot of his movies are just like this, like wild chopping of heads and blood squirting everywhere and just like crazy violence. And then he made Spy Kids, and incidentally, Spy Kids three D Game Over, which he did direct, comes out the same year as Once upon a Time in Mexico, so it contains most working Man, a movie where Johnny Depp's eyes get gouged out and kiss came over. Yes, but I mean, I just think it's like really cool and like, even though these aren't the movies he's like primarily remembered for by most people except for the Three of Us. Um, it's like he developed like this really distinct visual style for kids movies that no one else has ever done. It's just it's so cool, and he directed all four Spy Kids movies and Shark Boy and Love a Girl Commitment and the whole Machete and I Mean, and also the spinoff by kids called I Just I don't know this rewatching this, Uh, I was like, just increased my rabbit Riguez Rodriguez respect by even more than I already need it. He's pretty dope, He's cool. Does this movie pass the bacteal test or the spy test? It does both passes both of them. I had it passing at least twice. There's the opening scene with Carmen and Ingrid, and there's a moment where Junie is off covering his warts and they have a brief conversation about like, are they going to better than not going to bed? Did you brush your teeth already? I did? Yeah? Everything okay? At school? It's fine. And then this is kind of a duplicitous pass, but it does pass between Carmen and Miss h Griddenko as well, even though they're talking about girl power, but the subtext is girl power is fake. Um so, but it does past. Does it pass again at all? I forgot to pay his close attention as I should. Toward the end, whenever the kids reunite with the parents. I don't think. I don't think so because Carmen does. I feel like Carmen does most of the talking, but she's talking to George like she's talking to the TV. And what about in the flu Palace, does it? I couldn't. I think. I think it's a lot of Antonio Benderis talking. It's mostly I think the main thing is that there's just not enough. There's like there's three female characters in the entire movie, and it's like completely outweighed. I think in little parts it passes like pretty easily with with the interactions. But I think it's mostly like when they're as a family, it's Antonio Benderius kind of leading the charge of like we're a family, we're going to do this, as opposed to Ingrid Andre. Unless I'm missing up, I'm missing a scene or something that I mean, given the fact that we only have three female characters that have any significance, all of them do have conversations with each other at very least there's a sort of pass between Gridenka and Ingrid that you could I mean, it's when they're like when she's like on the TV or something, yeah, when she's on the TV in the car. But the subtext of learning with yeah yeah, so the subtext doesn't work on paper, technically works. Yes, we've you know, the Bechdel test is a flawed metric, and arguing about it is basically pointless. Yeah. No, I mean, at very least the female characters we are given, we know who they are, they care about each other, and it's not always about the majority men in the movie. Yes, let's read the movie on our nipple scale, shall we. It's zero to five nipples based on its representation of women. I'm gonna give this. I suppose I would give it like a three because it is handling the way women and girls are represented in media better than a lot of media targeted towards children, at least of the films we've covered so far. You know, there's there's parody among the genders that we see, but the fact that there are far more men than there are female characters. The fact that Antonio Benderis hates women and just want them to be mummies is to at home. But no, I mean, I think it does a lot of good things and um, especially the fact that it's like representation of Latin xt mixed family like that on screen, being the driving force of the narrative. Yeah, I love Alan Cumming and all of my nipples go to him. I'm gonna go this is and I'm probably overshooting it a little bit, but I'm going to get three and a half. I I love Carmen Um and I love hearing your connection to her Catherine, which it was, I mean, something that didn't because I was, you know, as a little white girl and had truly an embarrassment of riches of problematic characters to latch on to Um. But the fact that I mean, it's like Carmen is a really cool character. She's not a problematic character. She's like a really cool and also realistic like example for a girl that age, Like she kicks her brother's ass, but she loves him, and like she's good at stuff and she's observant, and like that character alone is just like I don't know, like it feels like a miracle that that character avoids so many of the pitfalls that preteen girl character written by a man would normally fall to, because it's usually that like precocious, like genius child trope, like the wise beyond her years child or sexualized too early or any number of horrible things, but she's truly treated just like a character and has flaws. She still wets the bed sometimes, like there it's I don't know, I just I really love how the spy kids are written in this movie. And I think that like JUNI is a really, um, really cool example of like not a hyper masculine little boy and having that be part of like what makes him cool and like part of like what makes him good at being a spy. So I think it's great. Yeah, and uh, I just just a fun fact I'd like to throw into the ring. Robert Rodriguez walked Alexe Vega down the aisle. Oh my, he has to be so nice, right, like he seems like great? Well, we did ask, I did post the question was Alan coming at the Megan Trainer at wedding? I guess the real question is was Robert Rodriguez and Alan coming? Uh? Did officiate? Like? What did they do? What was their role? I hope that being Juny and being an empathetic young male character is what taught Darryl Samara that it's okay to be Mr. Megan Trainer. Um. And also just something that I kept meeting to bring up last night, and then I think I either got embarrassed or tired and kept forgetting to say. Is Alexe Vega who now goes by Alexa Penia Vega because she um she and her husband combined their last names, which is the whole thing. But she has found a very successful second life in Hallmark movies. She's been in six in a row, so yeah, she's coming for all of the full House ladies anyways, And I do have a few issues with the way that Ingrid's character is presented. I just mainly wish we knew more about her and that there were more female characters. But Carmen, I don't know. Carmen is such a victory, uh, for for all and so is JUNI So three and a half for me, Gonna give all of them to Chaloub alright, yeah, wonderful for all of his heads. He's going to need for each of his Yeah, how about Catherine. I think I'm going to give it a four out of five only because I'm just jumping off of Jamie's point of Carmen being such a victory and it's like the movie set out. I think what it wanted to do was show these kids in like a really cool way, and I think it successfully did that because in my head, the movie is more about the two kids learning about themselves rather than the parents. Um, and I think it successfully did that. And I think, like what you're saying was that, like, Carmen is well developed and she's to me like the lead. Like I think her and Junior equally the stars of the movie. But I feel like watching her kind of bumped it up, being like, no, she's cool, I want to be like her, like she's a she's a spy, but she's also like weird and like she can be made fun of and it's fine. I think that's why I pushed it up a little bit. But um, I agree. I think there's not enough female characters and the other two adults just weren't developed enough, and I think they could have been easily. But I think it. I think it does more good than it does harm. So I'll give it. I'll give it that, And as a movie in general, ten a ten, wherever so many good things. We also forgot to mention that we learned that Carmen skips school to go off to Belize sometimes she somehow she manages to go from wherever they live again, never clear, but wherever they live to believe to just just hang out twice a month. Was it twice a month or something? Yeah, she was like she skips school twice a month. Um, I'll give one nipple to that scene where Junie has the what is it the handcuff, the little safe handcuff to his hand and he wants to get it off, and he smacks it on the rock or the wall and it bounces back. It is the funniest sits him in the head. It's the funniest thing in that movie. Um, and I will give the rest of that rating to the entire Safe House. That the best thing the little like packets that turn into a Those they're clearly pop tarts, right, They're clearly pop tart packaging. It's a perfect product. That McDonald's thing. You're just like, it's like the really wanted a big mac. I know, but I've got sludge so I can't eat why. I'm pretty sure you have the green also maybe stolen from Night Before Christmas. I was like that scene where Sally is eating the green soup. Yes, I don't know, there's some weird crossover that I think we're missaying. Well anyway, Katherine, thanks for coming on the pause. I'm so excited I finally convinced you to watch it after years. It's so fun to watch. Everyone should watch this movie in a group too. It's so much fun to watch in the group. It's wild. Yeah, so yeah, thanks for being here. What would you like to plug? Oh? I don't know where can people follow you online? Um? Twitter? I guess that hellhole? Um, it's just my name at Katherine Leon. 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