What We Learned in 2025

<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studioway Here at Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs.
<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella
<v Speaker 1>me Rick weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, today, Stacey,
<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about things we learned in the
<v Speaker 1>past growing season. The growing season is winding down. It's
<v Speaker 1>always good to look back and see what we learned
<v Speaker 1>this year. I know I learned a lot and running
<v Speaker 1>down that list is a good idea. So we'll do
<v Speaker 1>kind of a speed round, so to speak. As a
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, this past year, that's one thing we learned.
<v Speaker 1>We enjoy doing the speed round things, so we'll kind
<v Speaker 1>of do a speed round on some of the things
<v Speaker 1>that we learned. And one of the things that hit
<v Speaker 1>me between the eyes this past year is that all
<v Speaker 1>of us have learned that drought and heat are wearing.
<v Speaker 1>They wear on you, and it's a good reason for
<v Speaker 1>genetics and cultivars that are drought and heat resistant. With
<v Speaker 1>annuals as an example. I'm looking forward to the super
<v Speaker 1>Lofus sunglow Onethera, the Texas primrose that's going.
<v Speaker 2>To be featured next year.
<v Speaker 1>It thrives in hot, arid, sunny conditions one hundred degree weather,
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to water the plant as much. Even
<v Speaker 1>warm humid climates like our Michigan summers here it should
<v Speaker 1>be able to handle it well.
<v Speaker 2>So these are the types of things that we learn.
<v Speaker 1>Or for example, one thing that really hit me this
<v Speaker 1>past year is the fact that we like plants that
<v Speaker 1>change color throughout the season little lime punch hydranger or
<v Speaker 1>Gatsby oak leaf hydrangee or spireeas how they look in
<v Speaker 1>spring and begin to look in summer. Super Bell's Magic
<v Speaker 1>double grapefruit double Calibricoa, supercalifragilistic xbili dos. But again, plants
<v Speaker 1>that kind of change their look over the course of
<v Speaker 1>the year.
<v Speaker 2>We're finding people like that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it's gardening is inherently dynamic, but it
<v Speaker 3>is also really fun when you get to see those
<v Speaker 3>changes unfold in a way that is very noticeable. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>of course, you know, at this time of year, I'm
<v Speaker 3>always thinking like, wow, can you remember what this vegetable
<v Speaker 3>garden looked like the day you planted it? And it
<v Speaker 3>was just like, you know, flat, and there was like nothing,
<v Speaker 3>And now you know, you've got eight foot tall tomatoes
<v Speaker 3>and your dodge and your zinias to try to get
<v Speaker 3>in there. But yeah, so it worked. You know, obviously
<v Speaker 3>we always see that change, but over the course of
<v Speaker 3>the season, and these types of plants you see over
<v Speaker 3>the course of you know, days or weeks.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I put a tiny seed of hyacinth being in
<v Speaker 1>the ground. I was just looking at it yesterday. I
<v Speaker 1>measured it.
<v Speaker 2>The thing is eight feet tall and fifteen feet across.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's amazing, unbelievable. So yeah, no, that's one of
<v Speaker 3>your favorites.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is, Stacy.
<v Speaker 1>This past year we learned there is still a demand
<v Speaker 1>for big plants. We did a show on that and
<v Speaker 1>you pointed out and I thought this was brilliant. Some
<v Speaker 1>plants should be purchased in a larger size to start.
<v Speaker 1>In other words, certain plants you're better off investing in
<v Speaker 1>size up front.
<v Speaker 3>That is definitely one of my biggest learnings from this year. Now,
<v Speaker 3>I have to say, for our listeners who may not
<v Speaker 3>be aware, if you love free plants, you owe yourself
<v Speaker 3>the favor of working in the industry. You can be
<v Speaker 3>an accountant, you can be a lawyer, you can be anything.
<v Speaker 3>But if you can get a job in the industry,
<v Speaker 3>whether that's at a garden center or a greenhouse or
<v Speaker 3>a wholesale grower or whatever, you will get free plants
<v Speaker 3>as a benefit of the job. And this is a
<v Speaker 3>benefit of the job that I have enjoyed my whole career,
<v Speaker 3>and I love it and I'm very grateful for it.
<v Speaker 3>But what it also means is you often get very
<v Speaker 3>small plants, not bigger plants, you know, like you're going
<v Speaker 3>to go and buy at the garden center. And because
<v Speaker 3>I do kind of want to be fairly hands off,
<v Speaker 3>I've lost a lot of play that's that way, And
<v Speaker 3>you know, I've kind of just been like an easy come,
<v Speaker 3>easy go kind of situation. But you know, I love
<v Speaker 3>ice plants, and I've been trying to get ice plants
<v Speaker 3>established for so long, and I'd always started with little
<v Speaker 3>one cord plants or sometimes even plugs, if you know,
<v Speaker 3>someone was just getting rid of a bunch of them
<v Speaker 3>from from something or another and I couldn't get them established,
<v Speaker 3>and I kept thinking, gosh, I have the perfect conditions.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't understand what I am doing wrong.
<v Speaker 3>I guess maybe the snow is piling up and staying
<v Speaker 3>wet too long into you know, late winter early spring
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like making up all of these reasons
<v Speaker 3>in my head. And then I got one gallons last
<v Speaker 3>fall of the new Kaleidoscope Dellas Berma for Improven Winter's Perennials,
<v Speaker 3>and I am a changed woman, I tell you, because
<v Speaker 3>they have almost completely filled in like a lawn, even
<v Speaker 3>despite being fall planted. And they are they are gorgeous.
<v Speaker 3>They were absolutely amazing when they were blooming their main
<v Speaker 3>bloom time in late spring early summer. But then they've
<v Speaker 3>continued to flower and I've just really realized what a
<v Speaker 3>difference it makes to start with those larger plants. And
<v Speaker 3>you know, it really saved me this year because of
<v Speaker 3>course no one had any idea it was going to
<v Speaker 3>be so dry. And you know, when you start like
<v Speaker 3>when plants are dry, plants aren't getting enough water, they shrink,
<v Speaker 3>and so it kind of happens often, like especially perennials,
<v Speaker 3>they just keep getting smaller and smaller. So sometimes it
<v Speaker 3>can happen without you really knowing it. So it really
<v Speaker 3>helps to have that bigger plant to help it withstand
<v Speaker 3>the challenges of a hot, dry season to get established.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sometimes you need a bigger plant. Sometimes you need
<v Speaker 1>a better cultivar. That's why I believe that Stacy's segment
<v Speaker 1>on Plants on Trial is so important. We've all learned
<v Speaker 1>so much throughout this past year on the plants that
<v Speaker 1>you've introduced to us. A lot of people I find
<v Speaker 1>in the garden center industry, working in the garden center
<v Speaker 1>industry buy plants like they'd buy a lottery ticket. You
<v Speaker 1>know it ain't gonna work, but you go back for more.
<v Speaker 3>It's all about the optimism.
<v Speaker 2>I see that.
<v Speaker 3>You know I've done that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I want people to be optimistic and to
<v Speaker 1>try new plants, and we have found That's another thing
<v Speaker 1>I found this past year is consumers are far more
<v Speaker 1>aggressive and trying new plants when they're shopping online than
<v Speaker 1>in a store. So very interesting, and of course we
<v Speaker 1>make lots of new friends over the course of the year.
<v Speaker 1>For me, my new friends from this past summer Emerald
<v Speaker 1>Isle Alocasia, A sonic bloom. Why do I love that shrub?
<v Speaker 3>It is a great white deal. It's a reblooming wigela.
<v Speaker 3>Because who wants a whitela that only blooms for a
<v Speaker 3>few weeks? You can have one that booms all summer.
<v Speaker 2>I love that thing.
<v Speaker 1>Mystic illusion dais and has the dark foliage Yausa.
<v Speaker 3>That is a plant that when anyone sees it there
<v Speaker 3>like what is that? Where have you been all my life?
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?
<v Speaker 3>And it is so beautiful and such a unique color
<v Speaker 3>it is. Unfortunately it's a little hard to find. I'm
<v Speaker 3>surprised more garden centers to carry it.
<v Speaker 1>Really true luscious lantana and wicked witch colias. I have
<v Speaker 1>some pictures for our YouTube viewers from my garden two
<v Speaker 1>can cannas. Of course I love canas. I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>to elaborate on it, but if you want a thriller
<v Speaker 1>for your containers, the two can cannas. They bloom all summer.
<v Speaker 1>They're heat tolerant, they love heat and humidity. They're adaptable,
<v Speaker 1>they can take damp conditions, they can take dry conditions,
<v Speaker 1>not real water needy. That's a plant that I just
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with this.
<v Speaker 3>Passage and those are smaller, so there are more sup Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>They're not as large as let's say, the President Canada, right.
<v Speaker 3>Right, or what. I'm really glad you mentioned the lantana,
<v Speaker 3>and I absolutely loved the combination that you did in
<v Speaker 3>that bright yellow pot I love, love, love that bright
<v Speaker 3>yellow pot, so don't be surprised if I stopped by
<v Speaker 3>and if you find it missing. But I also had
<v Speaker 3>and I grow alantana often. I mean I typically grow
<v Speaker 3>a couple because I like those hot colors. But this year,
<v Speaker 3>I my lantana got so many hummingbirds. Yeah, and I
<v Speaker 3>mean they've always liked it, but I feel like it
<v Speaker 3>was a truly sustaining plant for them this year, and
<v Speaker 3>that was absolutely delightful.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love that.
<v Speaker 1>One thing I learned is you need to add organic
<v Speaker 1>matter to your landscape, but sometimes you have to add
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. In other words, don't.
<v Speaker 2>Take yourself so seriously, have some fun, take some chance.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, what was the conditions here?
<v Speaker 2>Oh?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, for example, my banana tree, you know,
<v Speaker 1>everybody told me it won't work, and it was miraculous,
<v Speaker 1>so you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you got a shrug off the haters for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And you know that's the thing about gardening is I
<v Speaker 3>really try not to be overly prescriptive, you know, when
<v Speaker 3>you want to encourage people to try things, because that
<v Speaker 3>is how you learn, is by trying. You just have
<v Speaker 3>to be sure you're taking a measured risk. And you
<v Speaker 3>know what you're getting into. Because if you know you
<v Speaker 3>spent two hundred dollars on that banana plant, yep, that
<v Speaker 3>would be maybe a different story and you would be
<v Speaker 3>a little bit like more reluctant. But you got to
<v Speaker 3>know all the conditions and then you make a decision
<v Speaker 3>based on the information that you have.
<v Speaker 2>It's all relative.
<v Speaker 1>This past year, we did a controversial show that you
<v Speaker 1>either loved or did not like. We heard about it.
<v Speaker 1>We did an episode called Plants We Hate, currently forty
<v Speaker 1>nine hundred and eight views. We did that back in March.
<v Speaker 1>For example, someone said to me, because I do not
<v Speaker 1>like ivy geraniums, this individual sent me a note saying
<v Speaker 1>I'm planting some this year just to make you cringely.
<v Speaker 1>So I've got the always learning Lima Rick The continued
<v Speaker 1>Adventures of Old Ned.
<v Speaker 2>You don't know what you don't know. I had a
<v Speaker 2>friend who always told me that you don't know what
<v Speaker 2>you don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Old Ned encourages goutweed to grow, feeds his chameleon plants
<v Speaker 1>with guano. He carefully pampers them both, accepts compliments on
<v Speaker 1>their growth.
<v Speaker 2>You don't know what you don't know.
<v Speaker 1>He nurtures his diaper, daililies, his marigolds give me the willies.
<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't I say something? Bite my tongue, keep stomaching what
<v Speaker 1>I know has become my achilles. Should I hack back
<v Speaker 1>his plants with a saber? Or, in my opinion, be labor.
<v Speaker 1>Just let them have fun while I sip on some rum,
<v Speaker 1>wave and smile and.
<v Speaker 2>Be a good neighbor.
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<v Speaker 3>to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are talking about
<v Speaker 3>everything that we learned in this growing season. Now, normally
<v Speaker 3>this is the kind of show that you would do
<v Speaker 3>somewhere around late December early January when people tend to
<v Speaker 3>look back on the prior year. But we figured, you know,
<v Speaker 3>if you're looking back on the gardening year, it's probably
<v Speaker 3>better to do it more in the you know, November
<v Speaker 3>timeframe where the gardening season is still somewhat fresh in
<v Speaker 3>your mind, because I can tell you by the time
<v Speaker 3>late December rolls around, I will be forgetting a lot
<v Speaker 3>of what I'm thinking actively about now is I still
<v Speaker 3>look around my garden and things are starting to go
<v Speaker 3>dormant now. I think that one of the things that
<v Speaker 3>I like the most about gardening is that even if
<v Speaker 3>you have the same plants in your garden, even if
<v Speaker 3>you never had any new plants in your garden, which
<v Speaker 3>who does that? Because you know, there's always something cool
<v Speaker 3>to add, or you scoop up a good deal, or
<v Speaker 3>someone a friend gives you a plant that they divided.
<v Speaker 3>There's just so many ways.
<v Speaker 2>There's more for jello and plants.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and you know you can always switch something out.
<v Speaker 3>But even if you keep the exact same plants in
<v Speaker 3>your yard, every single season is so different that there's
<v Speaker 3>always something to learn as long as you're out there
<v Speaker 3>observing and engaging with your plants. And as much as
<v Speaker 3>I personally bristle at the idea of drought, because I it's,
<v Speaker 3>first of all, it's just stressful. It's stressful on the plants.
<v Speaker 3>It's stressful on the people. Everything gets so dusty, you know,
<v Speaker 3>plants start looking stressed. It's one thing if your garden
<v Speaker 3>looks stress, it's another. I feel like driving down the
<v Speaker 3>highway and all the trees look stressed. You start to
<v Speaker 3>feel really super stressed then as well. And this has
<v Speaker 3>been just an extremely extremely dry year for pretty much
<v Speaker 3>all of Michigan as well as basically through the entire
<v Speaker 3>Upper Midwest. I know Indiana, Ohio are also experiencing similar conditions.
<v Speaker 3>In fact, here in Michigan we are at a near
<v Speaker 3>historic low for our soil moist Sure, hopefully recent rains
<v Speaker 3>are going to do something to help that, but you know,
<v Speaker 3>it's a little rain can't erase you know, one hundred
<v Speaker 3>plus year drought. It's not really going to do it.
<v Speaker 3>So it's been a real learning opportunity. And even though
<v Speaker 3>that the drought causes difficulty, it also provides opportunity. And
<v Speaker 3>you really, if you look at it right, you can
<v Speaker 3>find that ability to really learn more about your plants
<v Speaker 3>and how you garden. It is an opportunity certainly where
<v Speaker 3>my propensity for close spacing can definitely work in my
<v Speaker 3>favor because the plants kind of function as a mulch
<v Speaker 3>for one another and can help to shade that soil
<v Speaker 3>and then things don't grow as much, so they don't
<v Speaker 3>look like they're all, you know, trying to compete for
<v Speaker 3>garden space. But it's a learning opportunity for sure. Now
<v Speaker 3>I do work in my garden, even in a non
<v Speaker 3>drought year, to not water anything except my containers, my
<v Speaker 3>ventshiable garden, and anything new were transplanted. I know, it's
<v Speaker 3>a little bit scary. Well, it's not scary to me.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't have a lot anymore, so I
<v Speaker 3>don't have to worry about the lawn looking terrible. But
<v Speaker 3>I try to choose plants that, yeah, once they're established,
<v Speaker 3>they'll at least survive. Now, I will say I have
<v Speaker 3>some plants that definitely get very stressed if they aren't
<v Speaker 3>getting supplemental water when it is very hot and dry.
<v Speaker 3>But they do live, you know, they do live. They
<v Speaker 3>might shut down early, but but I'm not you know,
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to waste a bunch of water. I
<v Speaker 3>live in the city, so I have city water, and
<v Speaker 3>so it's expensive. And yes, this year, because I have
<v Speaker 3>done so much work in my garden, the water bills
<v Speaker 3>were a little bit alarming, but it's worth it. It's
<v Speaker 3>an investment in the future to water your new stuff
<v Speaker 3>and make sure that it that it lasts for the
<v Speaker 3>long term. So I wanted to share for Today's Plants
<v Speaker 3>on Trial my observations on some of the proven winter's
<v Speaker 3>color choice shrubs in my garden and how the drought
<v Speaker 3>year has impacted them. Okay, now I do want to
<v Speaker 3>say that pretty much everything I'm going to share, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know how much time I will have to get to.
<v Speaker 3>Everything is established in my garden. So when I say
<v Speaker 3>that a plant is established, that basically means that it should,
<v Speaker 3>in theory, be able to handle it life on its
<v Speaker 3>own without supplemental water. Although what often happens is if
<v Speaker 3>you do have a very dry and hot season like
<v Speaker 3>we did this year, they do start looking stressed. You know, yes,
<v Speaker 3>they will live, but you're kind of like, oh, I
<v Speaker 3>can't even I'm just gonna water it because I can't
<v Speaker 3>handle looking at this thing looking that sad. Because it
<v Speaker 3>is normal to presume that there will be some rainfall
<v Speaker 3>each year, not like this show. I mean, I think
<v Speaker 3>we've gone whole thirty plus day periods without oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>a drop of rain this sem.
<v Speaker 2>When they mope, I just can't handle it.
<v Speaker 3>I just turned my chair in another direction. So anyway,
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to share some of the plants. Again. Bear
<v Speaker 3>in mind as I'm talking about these, that they are established,
<v Speaker 3>which is to say that they've been in the ground
<v Speaker 3>for a good two or three years, and that I
<v Speaker 3>I was giving them water in that first year or
<v Speaker 3>two after they were either moved or planted, because you
<v Speaker 3>have to again invest in that good start so that
<v Speaker 3>they can give you that performance going forward. Now, the
<v Speaker 3>first one I'm gonna talk about is Alminho chatalpa. We
<v Speaker 3>were actually just talking about this on the show the
<v Speaker 3>other day, but I wanted to bring it up again
<v Speaker 3>in this context. Drought is good for this plant. I
<v Speaker 3>would say drought is really good for this plant, because
<v Speaker 3>mine reached about so it send its third year. It
<v Speaker 3>did reach about ten feet tall, but stayed pretty narrow.
<v Speaker 3>And the plants that were here at the office at
<v Speaker 3>Studio A on rep irrigation, you know, throughout the season,
<v Speaker 3>are huge. They're gigantic. They are probably fifteen feet tall
<v Speaker 3>and ten feet wide. So the droughtiness really helped to
<v Speaker 3>keep this plant in check. And keep it smaller. And
<v Speaker 3>I will also say that the plants here are also
<v Speaker 3>in full sun as much as mine is at home,
<v Speaker 3>and my planet home has flowered so much more than
<v Speaker 3>the ones here. And I do think that. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>there are some plants that do flower better if they
<v Speaker 3>aren't in a situation where they've got everything they need.
<v Speaker 1>We did that for years in the garden center industry
<v Speaker 1>when we weren't using growth regulators.
<v Speaker 2>We just hold back on the water.
<v Speaker 1>Put it under a little stress, you know, impatients. While
<v Speaker 1>the ariana are a great example. Put them under a
<v Speaker 1>little stress and they would bloom more because the plants
<v Speaker 1>thinking I got to produce flowers and seed, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>die here.
<v Speaker 2>I need future generation and nay.
<v Speaker 3>Win win less water for you and more flowers for
<v Speaker 3>everybody else. So alnino drought is actually a good thing.
<v Speaker 3>If you have an alnino and it's getting unruly, it's
<v Speaker 3>not flowering enough, cut back the water if that means,
<v Speaker 3>you know, adjusting a sprinkler head or whatever. This is
<v Speaker 3>a plant that will absolutely thrive and look and do
<v Speaker 3>its best in droughty conditions. So yay on that, now, boxwood,
<v Speaker 3>I grow a lot of boxwood because I have a
<v Speaker 3>lot of deer and it's just to me, it's a
<v Speaker 3>no brainer plant. It looks great, it's always it looks
<v Speaker 3>good with any style of home, any style of landscape.
<v Speaker 3>And what I have really learned growing boxwood in the
<v Speaker 3>driest year that I have gardened in this property is
<v Speaker 3>that if you have boxwood in full sun, it needs water. Now.
<v Speaker 3>My boxwood in shade could easily withstand this drought the
<v Speaker 3>established ones without any problem. But the ones that were
<v Speaker 3>in sun, they were looking pretty stress kind of that bronzy,
<v Speaker 3>crispy look. It's not pretty now. The ones that I grow,
<v Speaker 3>I grow sprinter, which is our fast growing boxwood. And
<v Speaker 3>I also planted some new gen Freedom boxwood, which are
<v Speaker 3>new proven winners boxwood for twenty twenty six. Now those
<v Speaker 3>were brand new plants, so I can't speak to them
<v Speaker 3>yet because since they were brand new, I was watering
<v Speaker 3>them to help them get established. But certainly on sprinter,
<v Speaker 3>though they can tolerate sun, you want to make sure
<v Speaker 3>they're getting sufficient water if they are in sun. Now.
<v Speaker 3>The real champ this year, while at least tied with
<v Speaker 3>the El Nino Gatsby pink oak leaf hydrangea. Now, there
<v Speaker 3>is no universe where I would ever say to people
<v Speaker 3>hydrangees are drought tolerant, don't worry about it. But if
<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, if a hydrangea seems to
<v Speaker 3>show any signs of drought tolerance, it is at least
<v Speaker 3>gets to be pink, if not all oak leaf hydrangeas.
<v Speaker 3>This is the only one that I have. But this,
<v Speaker 3>despite the drought and the heat, this plant acted like
<v Speaker 3>it was just a totally normal season and all of
<v Speaker 3>its needs were met. It flowered perfectly fine. The flowers
<v Speaker 3>turned a beautiful pink shortly after blooming, and that pink
<v Speaker 3>persisted a normal amount of time like I would expect
<v Speaker 3>it to, despite the fact that it wasn't getting any
<v Speaker 3>supplemental water. And I have probably five of them throughout
<v Speaker 3>the garden. Interesting, and right now it's taking on beautiful
<v Speaker 3>fall color like nothing else was wrong with it. And
<v Speaker 3>it's just so interesting to see a plant that you
<v Speaker 3>associate with really high water needs just being like, no,
<v Speaker 3>I'm good, this is you know, do this. And if
<v Speaker 3>anyone is wondering how I do manage to grow oak
<v Speaker 3>leaf hydrange is when I have so many deer, the
<v Speaker 3>answer is very simple. They have reached a size that
<v Speaker 3>the deer can't reach all of them. So I have
<v Speaker 3>as much Gatsby Pink hydrange as the deer can't reach.
<v Speaker 3>And it is a big plant. So some of the newer,
<v Speaker 3>smaller varieties, like our new Gatsby Glowball that reach only
<v Speaker 3>about three feet tall and wide, that probably would not
<v Speaker 3>work in my yard. But the bigger old, you know,
<v Speaker 3>older types like Gatsby Pink that reach you know, eight
<v Speaker 3>plus feet tall, no problem whatsoever. Now Kodiak dur villa
<v Speaker 3>is not a plant that I would consider to be
<v Speaker 3>drought tolerant, at least not for us. And this is
<v Speaker 3>also really important. Now I had Kodiak darvilla's, I had
<v Speaker 3>Kodiak orange and Kodiak black, and yeah, this season, without
<v Speaker 3>supplement and water, they were not looking their best. Let's say,
<v Speaker 3>and again bear in mind that we have very very dry,
<v Speaker 3>sandy soil here. I think that they could probably withstand
<v Speaker 3>drought and dry conditions much better on the east side
<v Speaker 3>of the state, or the soil are going to be
<v Speaker 3>more clay and naturally hold on to some moistures or
<v Speaker 3>some moisture. But here the really dry soil and the
<v Speaker 3>lack of rain had them not looking their best, so
<v Speaker 3>I replaced those with something that does tolerate that. But
<v Speaker 3>again that's a situation between you know, looking at where
<v Speaker 3>it is native to, like up north in Macina Island,
<v Speaker 3>where I've seen it pretty abundantly, you know it can
<v Speaker 3>tolerate the drought in those conditions, but it can't tolerate
<v Speaker 3>drought and already very very dry, well drained soil. So
<v Speaker 3>that's just a look at some of my results that
<v Speaker 3>I learned this year. We're going to take a little
<v Speaker 3>break and when we come background, we opening with the bilbag,
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<v Speaker 3>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show
<v Speaker 3>where we're talking about what we learned in our gardens
<v Speaker 3>this year. And I just told you how some of
<v Speaker 3>the proven Winner's color Choice shrubs in my garden performed
<v Speaker 3>despite the drought and hot, dry, persistent conditions. But if
<v Speaker 3>you're dealing with a problem in your garden and you
<v Speaker 3>need some advice, you can always reach out to us
<v Speaker 3>and we will be happy to help. You can just
<v Speaker 3>go to Gardening Simplified on air dot com. There is
<v Speaker 3>a contact form there, or we have a comment on
<v Speaker 3>our YouTube version. We read all of those and sometimes
<v Speaker 3>we if it needs an answer, the Nader Animal pass
<v Speaker 3>that on to us. So lots of easy ways to
<v Speaker 3>get in touch with us. And if you don't have
<v Speaker 3>a question, you just have a comment or looking for
<v Speaker 3>some like minded horticulturists to celebrate something with. You can
<v Speaker 3>also reach out to us. And a listener, Nancy wrote
<v Speaker 3>to us with a counterpoint to some recent discussion that
<v Speaker 3>we have had that I thought I would share with
<v Speaker 3>our listeners. She says, please correct your advice to shred
<v Speaker 3>the leaves. Environmentalists say, do not shred them. Bring it
<v Speaker 3>up for pollinators. It's much better to leave your leaves
<v Speaker 3>hole rather than shredding them. Shredding them can kill or
<v Speaker 3>harm overwintering insects, eggs, larva, and cocoons that are hiding
<v Speaker 3>within the leaf litter. Leaving them intact provides crucial habitat
<v Speaker 3>and insulation for a variety of pollinators and other beneficial
<v Speaker 3>insects during the winter. So if you shred them, that
<v Speaker 3>would kill any of those insect life stages that are present.
<v Speaker 3>Beyond just leaving the leaves that fall from the trees,
<v Speaker 3>many insects do use hollow stems as nesting sites, like
<v Speaker 3>your perennials and that kind of thing. Keeping those in
<v Speaker 3>place up until spring when the temperature is pretty much
<v Speaker 3>consistently in the fifties helps to protect cavity nesting bees
<v Speaker 3>like mason bees. Everyone thinks it's about honey bees, but no,
<v Speaker 3>it's about our native bees, like our mason bees, and
<v Speaker 3>there's so so many of them. So I thought that
<v Speaker 3>was an interesting counterpoint, because yes, there is this big
<v Speaker 3>movement you see it, especially going around right now when
<v Speaker 3>leaves are very much an issue, to leave the leaves,
<v Speaker 3>And I think there's kind of two ways to look
<v Speaker 3>at this. You know, you can leave those leaves in
<v Speaker 3>place like your bed, your garden beds. Landscape beds should
<v Speaker 3>not look like your clean kitchen floor. They should have
<v Speaker 3>stuff in them because that is nature's way of protecting
<v Speaker 3>plants and recycling nutrients. So that's really no problem. But
<v Speaker 3>you know, last week, Rick, you were talking about cutting
<v Speaker 3>leaves in the lawn, and that is a bit of
<v Speaker 3>a different situation as well. You know, we've certainly seen here,
<v Speaker 3>like with some of our shrubs, especially Ita, that we
<v Speaker 3>often get moth cocoons on them. So that's not something
<v Speaker 3>that you would want to, you know, thoroughly clean up.
<v Speaker 3>So you know, I think this is kind of a
<v Speaker 3>splitting the difference type of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and I think splitting the difference as far
<v Speaker 1>as seasons is concerned. Also, I would say to these
<v Speaker 1>environmentalists that I have taken the whole leaves tilled them
<v Speaker 1>into my garden, and I would think that they'd be
<v Speaker 1>happy that I'm using natural organic material putting these whole
<v Speaker 1>leaves into my vegetable garden. The following spring, when I
<v Speaker 1>start to dig, they're still intact.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and.
<v Speaker 1>That's part of the reason that I shred them. Now,
<v Speaker 1>I would agree with the comment here. I don't think
<v Speaker 1>it's a matter of correction. I think it's a matter
<v Speaker 1>of timing. In other words, in fall, when they have
<v Speaker 1>just fallen off.
<v Speaker 2>The lead off the trees.
<v Speaker 1>If I shred them at that point, use them as malt,
<v Speaker 1>use them in my compost, that's great. If I'm out
<v Speaker 1>there in spring collecting up these leaves and shredding them,
<v Speaker 1>that's a whole other matter. So that's basically my approach
<v Speaker 1>to this whole issue.
<v Speaker 3>Well, and you have a lawn, and if you aren't
<v Speaker 3>taking care of the leaves on your lawn, you're not
<v Speaker 3>going to have a lawn for very long because they
<v Speaker 3>can absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>You know, completely mate down the lawn. And so that's
<v Speaker 1>for folks you know, I have very little grass left.
<v Speaker 1>But for folks who have an extensive lawn, you bet
<v Speaker 1>grinding up those leaves and define pieces.
<v Speaker 2>There's many studies that.
<v Speaker 1>Have been done on that that have determined that it's
<v Speaker 1>not going to affect your lawn. But if you leave
<v Speaker 1>those whole leaves on the lawn, it is certainly going
<v Speaker 1>to mate down the lawn, create snow, mold problems, all
<v Speaker 1>kinds of issues.
<v Speaker 3>One of the reasons I no longer have a lawn.
<v Speaker 3>But certainly if you can leave the leaves in your beds,
<v Speaker 3>by all means do. It is good for insects, it's
<v Speaker 3>good for plants, and it's less work. So yeah, win win,
<v Speaker 3>all right, What do we got?
<v Speaker 2>Tammy writes to us.
<v Speaker 1>I live just outside of Omaha, Nebraska, zone five B.
<v Speaker 1>Two years ago I purchased three Chardonnay pearls dutsia. They
<v Speaker 1>are planted in full sun on the south side of
<v Speaker 1>our house. I have never grown dutzia before, or even
<v Speaker 1>seen it in a landscape, but I don't think it
<v Speaker 1>looks very happy. The leaves are brown and crispy at
<v Speaker 1>the edges. Do I need to move it to shade?
<v Speaker 1>Is it not getting enough water? Too much water? I'd
<v Speaker 1>love to move it this fall if that's what it needs.
<v Speaker 1>Any advice you could give would be greatly appreciated.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I enjoy watching your show and
<v Speaker 2>learned so.
<v Speaker 3>Much so Shardenay pearls dutsia, if you're not familiar with
<v Speaker 3>that particular variety, is a yellow leafed juticia. That's where
<v Speaker 3>the shardonay part comes in, and the pearls from the
<v Speaker 3>flowers because they do start is these really lovely round
<v Speaker 3>buds and then open to these very pretty five pedaled flowers.
<v Speaker 3>Beautiful and dutsia by and large, if you were just
<v Speaker 3>talking about our other varieties like Yuki snowflake or Yuki
<v Speaker 3>cherry blossom are definitely full sun plants. But because Chardonnay
<v Speaker 3>pearls has these yellow leaves, that yellow foliage generally indicates
<v Speaker 3>an absence of chlorophyll, not in absence, a lower amount
<v Speaker 3>of regular green chlorophyll has been displaced by these yellow
<v Speaker 3>pigments chlorophyll. One way that you can think of it
<v Speaker 3>is essentially sunscreen for plants. So without that sunscreen, yellow
<v Speaker 3>leafed plants are generally very much more susceptible to burning
<v Speaker 3>in the sun than their green counterparts. And you know, Tammy,
<v Speaker 3>you say they're in full sun and the south side
<v Speaker 3>of the house that is kind of a perfect storm
<v Speaker 3>of hot bright combination reflection from the house as well.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think that if you move them they
<v Speaker 3>will be just fine. If you can move them to
<v Speaker 3>a place where they are shaded during the hottest part
<v Speaker 3>of the day, so in the afternoon, or where they
<v Speaker 3>get that kind of beautiful light filtered shade all day long.
<v Speaker 3>They will be so much happier. You won't get that burning.
<v Speaker 3>But if you do like the idea of a Dutzia there,
<v Speaker 3>if that worked overall, you can absolutely replace them with
<v Speaker 3>an all green leafed variety and they would do just
<v Speaker 3>fine in that full sun. So this is kind of
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of nuance there, you know, just to
<v Speaker 3>keep in mind. And water can help a little bit
<v Speaker 3>for plants that are getting too much sun if you
<v Speaker 3>provide supplemental water, which you know is something I just
<v Speaker 3>addressed in Plants on Trial. But really I've found when
<v Speaker 3>it comes to these yellow leafed varieties, they just they're
<v Speaker 3>just going to be more likely to burn simply because
<v Speaker 3>they have less green chlorophylls.
<v Speaker 2>So I agree.
<v Speaker 1>Karen asked us I purchased Estheti as she Goes Guardina
<v Speaker 1>and had it in a container on my deck all summer.
<v Speaker 1>As I am in Zone seven A, I'm considering over
<v Speaker 1>wintering it in my unheated three seasons room. My question
<v Speaker 1>is how low a temperature can this shrub would stand?
<v Speaker 3>So interesting question, and if you weren't familiar, Seti as
<v Speaker 3>She Goes Guardinia is a reblooming g Ardinia basically blooms
<v Speaker 3>all summer long, so an excellent choice for people who
<v Speaker 3>aren't satisfied with just that brief spring bloom of a guardina.
<v Speaker 3>We do sell this as hardy down to USDA Zone seven,
<v Speaker 3>which does include you there, Karen, in USDA Zone seven A.
<v Speaker 3>But I wanted to answer this question today as people
<v Speaker 3>think about, you know, what to do with plants with
<v Speaker 3>winter coming on. It's not. It's a real shortcoming of
<v Speaker 3>the hardiness zone system that all it does is address
<v Speaker 3>the lowest temperature that an area will typically receive, and
<v Speaker 3>not how long that lasts, because in that way, not
<v Speaker 3>all Zone seven a's are created equal, just as the
<v Speaker 3>same where exactly. So the issue is, so it can
<v Speaker 3>withstand zero degrees fahrenheit, that is what it means to
<v Speaker 3>be in USDA Zone seven A. It can go down
<v Speaker 3>to zero degrees fahrenheit and it will live the question
<v Speaker 3>how long will it be zero degrees fahrenheit? And in
<v Speaker 3>some areas of Zone A you can have very cold
<v Speaker 3>night where that temperature persists for hours. In some areas
<v Speaker 3>of zone seven eight you might just kind of dip
<v Speaker 3>into it briefly for a brief time and then it's fine.
<v Speaker 3>So I think that you don't know if it's if
<v Speaker 3>it's small, and if it's very new, go ahead and
<v Speaker 3>put it on your unheeded sunroom, keep watering it. But
<v Speaker 3>I would consider putting it in the landscape starting in spring.
<v Speaker 3>That'll give it a nice long season to grow roots
<v Speaker 3>into its new home. But if you do feel like
<v Speaker 3>you are in one of those usdas on seven a's
<v Speaker 3>where you're going towards zero for very very long periods,
<v Speaker 3>and or it's coupled with wind. Since gardenia is a
<v Speaker 3>broad leaf, evergreen and is very likely to suffer from
<v Speaker 3>you know, desiccation from the wind and the sign and
<v Speaker 3>all of that, then you just need to consider that
<v Speaker 3>in your sighting. But you know, overall, many many people
<v Speaker 3>wish that they could just grow a gardenia inside in
<v Speaker 3>winter and then put it back out because I mean,
<v Speaker 3>they're so beautiful. The fragrance really is amazing. And they're
<v Speaker 3>working on hardier and hardier guardinas, but they're not quite
<v Speaker 3>there yet. So again, I think you should be okay
<v Speaker 3>to have it outdoors in seven but at this point
<v Speaker 3>in the season, I probably would not just go for
<v Speaker 3>putting it straight away into the ground, just in case
<v Speaker 3>you have a rough winter. All right, So thank you
<v Speaker 3>all so much for your comments and questions, and we're
<v Speaker 3>going to take a little break. When we come back,
<v Speaker 3>we're talking a little bit more about what we learned
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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Okay, some reminders
<v Speaker 1>on things that we've learned this past year. For example,
<v Speaker 1>how important branch structure and structures are in the garden,
<v Speaker 1>especially in the wintertime. The importance of repetition in your landscape.
<v Speaker 1>Some repetition to make it a pleasing environment to your eye. Stacy,
<v Speaker 1>you reminded us that it's okay to evict losers from
<v Speaker 1>your garden.
<v Speaker 3>Or plants you don't like. How ill you losers? I mean,
<v Speaker 3>you know, Okay, I agree.
<v Speaker 1>If you haven't been there, add chant to clear gardens
<v Speaker 1>to your list of places to visit. Our Lightning round
<v Speaker 1>is fun. How important the season of fall is interest
<v Speaker 1>in architectural follies and backdrops. As a matter of fact,
<v Speaker 1>I loved the comment from a listener. We talked about
<v Speaker 1>the architectural follies building something in your landscape, and I've
<v Speaker 1>been busy doing that and building a pergola. And this
<v Speaker 1>person wrote in she said, wait until I tell the
<v Speaker 1>better half we have to build a folly. He might
<v Speaker 1>shut off our internet after this. I love that the
<v Speaker 1>number of Zone three and four people that we have
<v Speaker 1>listening to the show. We love our Canadian friends. One
<v Speaker 1>of the most hated landscape chores is removing sod because
<v Speaker 1>grass grows best where you wish it.
<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't amen to that. I didn't learn that this year,
<v Speaker 3>but it's a hard lesson I've been learning my whole life.
<v Speaker 1>We need to plan for rejuvenation at the end of summer.
<v Speaker 1>We need to look at a plant's native gardening habitat.
<v Speaker 1>In other words, not the country or region where it
<v Speaker 1>comes from, but the conditions. Take a look at the habitat,
<v Speaker 1>and you know the plant's usual or preferred surroundings, not
<v Speaker 1>where geographically it's native to, but rather it's environment. It's
<v Speaker 1>very helpful for you we learn that. I say lilac's funny.
<v Speaker 1>But then we learned it depends on where in the
<v Speaker 1>country you are and how you pronounced lilacs or lilacs
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. It may be the same thing with clematis
<v Speaker 1>or clematis contingent on the region of country of the
<v Speaker 1>country that you live in.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's a regional thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a regional thing.
<v Speaker 1>And we also learned that the least favorite paint color
<v Speaker 1>is radiant lilac. How about some personal items. I it
<v Speaker 1>felt really good to me that people had interest in
<v Speaker 1>my driftwood collection. We learned from Stacy that daylily blooms
<v Speaker 1>look like diapers.
<v Speaker 3>I think that was a couple of years ago. But
<v Speaker 3>my opinion persists. Okay, it's an opinion I have held
<v Speaker 3>for a long time.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, other personal items, that the one plant named
<v Speaker 1>after me, lime Ricky, has been retired, just like me,
<v Speaker 1>both of us do not like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
<v Speaker 1>And evidently we're not alone. I am not alone on
<v Speaker 1>my love for five gallon buckets. For critics who say we.
<v Speaker 2>Talk too much, uh, it's a talk radio show.
<v Speaker 3>Someone said that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, all.
<v Speaker 3>Right, well we'll give you, you know, silent section where
<v Speaker 3>you can just hear the plants blowing in the wind.
<v Speaker 1>Moment of silence, or we could dance or sing or
<v Speaker 1>something like that. For years when I did live radio,
<v Speaker 1>my live radio name was Phill Dirt. I have a
<v Speaker 1>new live radio voice, and my name from now on
<v Speaker 1>is going to be Ray King.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's nice.
<v Speaker 2>That's my new radio name, ray King. I just like that.
<v Speaker 2>It's a good one short, it's sweet. Ray King.
<v Speaker 3>So, now, was this your first year with your big
<v Speaker 3>banana in the the landscape there? Yeah, so you ordered
<v Speaker 3>it and planted it this year.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and this is sho.
<v Speaker 1>The massive right, and I've had them before, but this
<v Speaker 1>is the first year for this banana tree. And so
<v Speaker 1>I'll have you follow along with the process where we
<v Speaker 1>mulch it heavily this winter when it freezes and it
<v Speaker 1>goes to mush and looks really scary, I'll send some pictures.
<v Speaker 2>Then we'll mulch it heavily and then hope next spring
<v Speaker 2>that it comes up.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it should be interesting. I mean, I know plenty
<v Speaker 3>of places in New York that overwintered it when it
<v Speaker 3>first started becoming really really popular. You know a couple, well,
<v Speaker 3>a couple decades ago. Now, what was your your favorite
<v Speaker 3>annual that you planted this year.
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's It's Mystic Collusion.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, And is this your first year you've grown it? Okay?
<v Speaker 3>Such a great plant. Yeah, that black foliage and yellow
<v Speaker 3>flowers so so pretty. You know. I feel like this
<v Speaker 3>was my year where I discovered I'm a zenia person.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I love zenas. I knew you had
<v Speaker 2>it xinya.
<v Speaker 3>You know, there were always one of those things where
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Okay, yeah, zinyas are cool, but like
<v Speaker 3>I don't need them in my life. But I got
<v Speaker 3>a free packet, had an event, and so I was like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, put these in the new vegetable garden. And
<v Speaker 3>even my husband, who was very dubious, why do you
<v Speaker 3>putting those in the vegetable guard that could be stuff
<v Speaker 3>where we were growing? Let us, I said, trust me,
<v Speaker 3>you are going to be grateful for these by the
<v Speaker 3>end of the season. And he was a little bit
<v Speaker 3>grumbly about him. But by the end of the season,
<v Speaker 3>he and I had both completely changed our tune. I
<v Speaker 3>will never be without zinnias again in my garden because
<v Speaker 3>I have never in my entire life had a plant
<v Speaker 3>that had more butterflies and hummingbirds. I mean, I don't
<v Speaker 3>think that's something that people really highlight enough about that plant.
<v Speaker 3>People talk, oh, they're a great cut flower, they're easy.
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's kids stuff. Grow up pot a zinias
<v Speaker 3>with your kids or whatever. And it was serious business.
<v Speaker 3>I mean there were days where we would count ten
<v Speaker 3>or more butterflies on the patch, all different types, and
<v Speaker 3>they were especially important this year. Another thing I learned,
<v Speaker 3>the latest I have ever had hummingbirds. I had them
<v Speaker 3>into October fifteenth. Yes, that was the last time I
<v Speaker 3>saw it. And though there certainly could have been some
<v Speaker 3>that were even later that I just was not home
<v Speaker 3>to see. And you know, by the time that rolled
<v Speaker 3>around other plants that I had other annuals and you know,
<v Speaker 3>flowering shrubs and perennials and so forth in my garden,
<v Speaker 3>they were pretty much done except for the zinnias. So
<v Speaker 3>they were such a crucial food source late in the
<v Speaker 3>season for those butterflies and hummingbirds. In fact, they probably
<v Speaker 3>still are. I haven't taken them out yet, so the
<v Speaker 3>hummingbirds fortunately seem to have moved on. I was getting
<v Speaker 3>a little worried there for a bit, but the butterflies
<v Speaker 3>and stuff are still around. If it's warm, they start flying.
<v Speaker 3>And they were California giants, was the variety that I grew.
<v Speaker 3>And they were really nice too because they're really tall.
<v Speaker 2>Oh they're fantas.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm this is the year that I will never
<v Speaker 3>be without zinias again, because well.
<v Speaker 2>I agree with that. I have the same thing at home.
<v Speaker 2>Sue loves zenya's.
<v Speaker 1>Because the other thing about them is they just made
<v Speaker 1>great cut flowers to bring inside.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they're just so fun. So I'm trying to
<v Speaker 3>save seed from mine, but I'm not able to collect
<v Speaker 3>much seed, even though this is a variety that should
<v Speaker 3>come true from seed. I theorize it is because there's
<v Speaker 3>another thing that loves my zenias that I didn't mention.
<v Speaker 3>That is the goldfinches. Oh yeah, so I think that
<v Speaker 3>the goldfinches are out there eating all of the seed
<v Speaker 3>before I can get it. So I'm trying to save seed,
<v Speaker 3>but I may be made to place another order.
<v Speaker 2>Well, And if you think.
<v Speaker 1>About it, Xenia's are in their glory in August September,
<v Speaker 1>and that's when goldfinches, I believe, are very active.
<v Speaker 2>That's their mating period and that sort of thing.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we learned deer are a very polarizing topic,
<v Speaker 1>just like my puns, and the people who don't have
<v Speaker 1>deer pressure feel guilty for those who deal with it.
<v Speaker 1>We love creative plant names versus botanical or scientific names.
<v Speaker 1>The Shrubs of the Year show we had Tim Wood
<v Speaker 1>on and it just reiterated the love of the names
<v Speaker 1>of plants and creative names for plants. People love Midnight
<v Speaker 1>Sun with Jela. I think the listener who upgraded us
<v Speaker 1>from Limericks to limb l I mb a ricks, thank
<v Speaker 1>you very mulch for that. How many people are plagued
<v Speaker 1>by chameleon plant?
<v Speaker 2>That hit me?
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, we have been hearing from a lot of people.
<v Speaker 3>Hopefully we stopped some people from actually purchasing it, because
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't think people really know how bad
<v Speaker 3>it's actually going to be. If Heaven forbid you ever
<v Speaker 3>want to get rid of it, because you will not.
<v Speaker 2>Like my neighbor who puts miracle grow on them.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Well, hopefully the dry soil does help
<v Speaker 3>to keep it in check a little bit. It does, Oh,
<v Speaker 3>despite their best efforts with fertilizer. You know, it's a
<v Speaker 3>perfectly fine plan. I guess if you are willing to
<v Speaker 3>keep it forever and ever and ever. Yep, and your
<v Speaker 3>neighbors are.
<v Speaker 2>Too that don't do it.
<v Speaker 1>Show was popular a reminder it's better to learn from
<v Speaker 1>other people's mistakes than your own. If you're feeling penned
<v Speaker 1>in Plants in front of a fence makes all the
<v Speaker 1>difference in the world. Perning has always and always will
<v Speaker 1>be a hot topic, so many rules, exceptions, timing principles.
<v Speaker 1>Lavender is a misunderstood but much loved plant, just like
<v Speaker 1>high ranges. The Overachievers Show was fun and a list
<v Speaker 1>of overachieving plants and Paisley pup dog hobble even looks
<v Speaker 1>good in winter.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, all of these.
<v Speaker 1>Are things that we learned over the course of the year,
<v Speaker 1>and so many more. But I'll tell you what one
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons for this show and I've benefited from
<v Speaker 1>it is. You do learn from other people's mistakes, and
<v Speaker 1>it's better to learn from them than make them yourself.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, although you know you can't tell anybody anything really
<v Speaker 3>really sticks until you make that mistake yourself. I've always
<v Speaker 3>found personally, I've heard plenty of other people make mistakes,
<v Speaker 3>and then I'm like, oh, I'll see about that, and
<v Speaker 3>then I try it, and sure enough it didn't work.
<v Speaker 3>But you learn by doing, and that's what Horter culture
<v Speaker 3>is all about.
<v Speaker 1>The end of the day, it's great to go out
<v Speaker 1>in the gardening. I love going outdoors. It beats going
<v Speaker 1>out windows, I can tell you that, Stacey.
<v Speaker 3>It's been fun, it sure has. Thanks.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Thank you, Adriana, Thanks to you.
<v Speaker 1>Remember our show is available on YouTube, so you can
<v Speaker 1>watch all of the things that we're talking about, and
<v Speaker 1>of course thank you for downloading the podcast and listening
<v Speaker 1>to us on the radio.
<v Speaker 2>Have a great week.