Manfred’s heated Phillies meeting, 1B Devers team player, Brewers finally lose, Cubs love Boyd

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Speaker 1: Hey, it is truly a May Day.

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Speaker 2: Trevor May and Cameron Mayven I think together for the first time on this show, which I'm excited about. And we got to start with a huge congrats Cam to a new edition and thank you for bringing us another.

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Speaker 1: Maven to the world because we love the Mavens.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Man, what a blessing.

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Speaker 4: Number four, third boy of the bunch, and I'm trying to figure out how I go about this one. Am I like to chill dad or because this is the first one that you know won't see me play and I'll be there for you know, all the time. Do I get it ready for pitching lessons at four for Trevor Or?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: Do we go short stuf? I don't know what to do right now. My head's all over the place. But more than anything, I'm happy. My wife is healthy, my baby's healthy. Can and Keith Mabn We're excited to have you. But so you know it's gonna be a fun show today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sick name too. That's actually a really good question to start us off with. What position would you want to teach your kid to play in baseball? Knowing what you guys went through and thinking, hey, my kid might have a better shot than most based on bloodlines.

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Speaker 1: What would you promote?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll go first, and knowing what I know now, and especially having this travel ball organization Padres scout team, and having my first player draft in this past draft by the Padres Gustavo Melendez, and now even now watching this previous draft, I think it's pretty obvious to say he's got to be shortstop and swinging lefty. I mean, the short stops and the left handed hitters were going crazy went off the board, and the short stops usually they transition to anywhere on the diamond. It's the best athlete on the field usually, And you know, I think for me, I'm also thinking Durangelo's census. So I don't know, but I'm thinking shortstop, left handed hitter is.

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Speaker 3: The way to go.

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Speaker 6: Oh, he's got to be a picture. He's going to be a monster. He's gonna be a huge dude. His grandpa is six'. Eight is that so he's gonna be a big. DUDE i don't, know it's WHAT i. Know what advantage CAN i give? You it's probably throwing the. Ball don't ask me how to hit.

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Speaker 7: MAN i don't.

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Speaker 6: Know so he's gonna play all over the. Place but there's a chance that basketball's in the play.

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Speaker 7: Too that's.

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Speaker 1: True that's.

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Speaker 2: True all, Right so we'll take a short stop and a picture For cam and For, trevor and we'll do a shorter charge amount to stay because we're gonna talk To Jim bowden.

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Speaker 1: Early but let's charge it right, here.

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Speaker 1: Gonna throw a curveball at.

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Speaker 2: You, okay There's Raphael dever's making his debut at first, base as you can see for The San Francisco. Giants before we get to, that, Though, cam question for. You you threw a tweet out there to the world about how The tigers need to take advantage of this winning. Window they are one of the best teams in baseball this. Year so just wanted to get some of the feedback that you received from fans when you were, like, hey if you don't figure this, out you were shipping him to THE.

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Speaker 4: I, mean as usual ON x people read what they, want. Right it's LIKE i tell you one, thing you hear something. Else BUT i you, KNOW i was Watching Terry schoogl do what he does as he's on the mound and he's dicing and he's just he has his, rum and not only seeing him, pitch being in the locker room with, him sharing a clubhouse with, him knowing the type of competitor he, is AND i know on the other, END i was clicking over to The yankees, game AND i was thinking about how rabbit those fans Are New york fans in, general but especially The bronx, fans AND i just thought he's the type of guy who not only would relish the, energy the, moment the expectation like HE i, mean he would dominate in that. Atmosphere and if you think he's good now in front of an Amazing detroit fan base that gets behind their, guys you, know for, me WHEN i was, watching WHEN i think about the money that's going around And i'm thinking about the highest paid pitcher in the, game it's easy to just go ahead and make sure you Offer Terry schoogl something right now to lock him up THAT i think will be a bargain because he's the type of. Guy once he gets, paid he's gonna want you to feel like he's earning, it and he's gonna get even. Better, so LIKE i, said this is the opportunity For detroit to not screw this.

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Speaker 3: Up SO i hope they do the right.

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Speaker 2: Thing, okay but what if they have thrown numbers at Him cam and he's just been like. NO i, mean we don't know what's going on behind the, Scenes but what if that has happened and the answers no for now and he wants to go to free. Agency that's not Really detroit's. Fault what were The tigers fans saying to, you Former?

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Speaker 3: TIGER i, mean clearly they were.

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Speaker 9: Upset you, know the only guy that play in The detroit you Know Detroit tiger's uniform three different, decades so you, know and most of The Detroit tiger's, EYES i am A tiger for life AND i still.

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Speaker 3: Play i'm A tiger for. Life that's the fan base IS i root for the.

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Speaker 4: Most but they were upset because they want to See, Scirit Terry schoogle and a uniform for for years to. Come so for, Me, Scott you're absolutely, right that's something we don't. Know but IF i was in that, position knowing WHAT i, KNOW i would try to offer him something that he may not be able to. Refuse AND i don't know what That, NO i don't know if it's uppard north of four where you're talking about an arm and a guy, going you know it's age, Thirty BUT i think he still has eight to, nine possibly ten more dominant years in. HIM i think he's a side guy who will learn how to pitch any bob as well if the stuff ends up not being.

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Speaker 3: There but that's a great point as.

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Speaker 4: Well but my whole my point is whatever, it ask him what he wants and then and then y'all figure it out from.

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Speaker 3: There that's WHAT i would.

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Speaker 6: EXACTLY i think that it's get to the point where missing a year is making guys career a little bit. Longer, uh just because we saw it With Felix, ernandez, right he avoided any major injuries and then he through thirty five hundred innings by the time he's thirty three years, old and that's kind of what there is on arms. Now, so, uh that is something that is a real, thing and especially that time down he definitely figured something, out so it's easier to, pitch or it's much more less stressful to pitch when you feel like you got to figure it out a little bit and you just got to go out there and rint, repeat.

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Speaker 1: Be nice To. Cam he's so.

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Speaker 2: Nice he's just throwing ideas out, there and he wants The tigers to secure the man long.

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Speaker 1: Term that's. All he want him to get us back.

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Speaker 4: Like everybody, else that's what we. Do we played, him, Right me And trevor went through it and we. Played NOW i have the opportunity to play to, him so you, know and you, know sometime the truth, hurts, Right, Scott that's.

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Speaker 1: True that's. True, hey and you got to put up her shut?

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Speaker 6: Up.

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Speaker 2: Okay this news coming in during the, Show Katie, wu who reports on The cardinals for The athletic and is the host Of Cardinal territory FOR, us said That Eric fetti is being designated for. Assignment, trevor what do you think about this? ONE i will give credit to most of the. League the asking price for him seemed to be OR i would guess the asking price in terms of prospects for him last year seemed to be lower THAN i thought it seemed like a lot of the league didn't love, him and now a lot of the front offices are going to see the league adjusted and he's had a bad a.

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Speaker 6: Year, yeah to be, HONEST i was in that camp as, well just perferally he AND i think he is well aware of this. Stuff but there's nothing really that pops out on the page when he has, success especially the analytics. Guys most analytics departments just assume there's a little bit of overperforming. Happening that doesn't mean you can't be a quality big league. Pitcher that's you, know eating innings and being a value to your, team but you tend to be a more valuable during the regular season than the. Playoffs and when the trade deadline comes, up usually those guys aren't a huge grabs the trade deadline unless the team has no starting pitching and they just need someone who isn't going to hurt them to heat. Innings and that's kind of the value that.

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Speaker 7: He had last.

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Speaker 6: Year and but THIS, dfa especially this close to the, Deadline when stuff like this, happens it's usually just sending a signal out like, hey you, know we can forego this thing if you need. Depth he is an option and we can work something out. Here that is usually what Late july waiver or guys thrown designated our.

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Speaker 7: Signaling so we'll.

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Speaker 2: See i'll get some other questions in here as we're going. Along Guys neeran, Said cubs trading For Sonny. Gray next, Question, MARK i can answer that one because it sounds Like John mozelok said That Wilson contreras And Sonny gray are not going to wave their no trade clauses just like they said in the off, season so we can squash.

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Speaker 1: That But i'll bring this one up for. You Trevor mike g said.

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Speaker 2: Of the controllable attainable, starters he Thinks Mitch keller would be great number three for The cubs Behind boyden And.

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Speaker 6: Managa thoughts, Absolutely i'm a Huge Mitch keller. FAN i think that he pitches the best when he's not called on to be the ace or the number one. GUY i think he's gotten more consistent Since Paul's keanes came onto the onto the, scene and SO i think that would be an ideal situation for. Him And he's He's he's one of those guys That i'm just still waiting for just like one of the, lights which is the last light switch to, switch because he's got The cayunta stuff that is untouchable.

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Speaker 7: For a length of.

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Speaker 6: Time so he's A he's a type of dude who has such a high ceiling that if you grabbed him right before the deadline and then he got, hot like it could be the most valuable trade at the. Deadline he's always going to have that. Potential SO i really liked that.

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Speaker 1: One, hey did you guys see this back to back?

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Speaker 2: Nights now we've had catchers interference get involved in A phillies win cam to see this one last night With Bryce harper attempting to steal home and it's catchers, interference but then the ruling turns into a bawk as.

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Speaker 4: Well i'm not gonna last. GUY i didn't see this last night due to the fact THAT i was having a baby my.

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Speaker 3: Wife that's.

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Speaker 2: True Maybe i've.

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Speaker 4: Got i've gotten, use but to be, fair, no you know you don't see it as much as you've seen it. LATELY i did my recap this morning WHEN i woke, up but you, KNOW i don't. KNOW i want to Hear trevor's thoughts on, that BECAUSE i. DIDN'T i didn't really see. IT i don't really know what, Happened So i'll defer on this.

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Speaker 6: ONE i think that the if you're gonna call it one of the two, things catcher interference or.

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Speaker 7: A, bock the bock was maybe a little bit more.

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Speaker 6: Egregious the interesting thing about catcher's interference is it's though from that angle we just saw he's behind home, plate but his line was directly behind the.

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Speaker 7: Base so the runner can't the.

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Speaker 6: Depth they don't know where in relation to the bait in their front on top or, whatever so they don't have a. Lane so that's what it comes. Down you have to be in front or you have to be. Back and you can see the catcher went straight lined up with the bag. Here you got to come in. FRONT i don't know how you, do but you gotta. Do that's what you got to do in that. Situation so it's kind of a it's a really hard play to defend and not get a violation in that. Way as a, catcher you have to like really rush to stay out of the lane, somehow and then the pitcher has to know and then it looks like everyone got discombobulated and they both messed. Up so BUT i hate to see games at the end being decided.

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Speaker 7: By stuff like.

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Speaker 6: This but it is the rule and it is the rule, book and trying to steal home and cause that havoc is seems.

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Speaker 7: Like a two HUNDRED iq play to go for, it because you, know it's.

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Speaker 6: Hard it's hard to defend it correctly and not have one of those.

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Speaker 1: Violations harper was safe, anyway right you beat.

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Speaker 7: It and he was behind the.

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Speaker 6: Bag, yeah he's buying, home so he's safe. Anyways BECAUSE i think the catcher is, LIKE i can't block the. PLATE i don't really know where to go right. Now and So i'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: What tramp makes a great.

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Speaker 4: POINT i guarantee we're going to see a little bit of reconfiguration about the language because in my eyes not And i'm Asking, trevor he said the. RULE i, mean like the catcher did what he thought was the right thing to, Do LIKE i get getting in front of the, plate but it happened so, fast like you know WHAT i, Mean like what is he supposed to?

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Speaker 3: Do he's already behind the. Dish the ball's coming in.

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Speaker 1: Better than box.

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Speaker 2: Scores if you looked in the box score for Yesterday San Francisco giants victory and they won big over The Atlanta. Braves might have had to squint if you're A Boston Red sox fan and, go is That Rafael devers at first base the position that won't be named when he was? Here, yes it is hitting third playing first base for the first time with The San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Giants Was Rafael devers in that?

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Speaker 2: Lineup that actually enabled them to Have Wilmer flores in there as the D h And wilmer had a nice little. Game so we've Got devers saying he prefers playing in the field over D. H he, said it keeps me. Active it keeps my head out of just thinking about the next Dayb i'd rather be on the field than in the, cage hitting all the time and thinking about the next at. Bat and we've got a little sound From San francisco as.

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Speaker 7: Well that's success In boston is a PRIMARY.

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Speaker 6: Dh but yet do you Have are you the type that enjoyed like thinks your offense is better when you are playing in the, field that you feel more.

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Speaker 10: Engaged, definitely he kiss me. Active he keeps my head out of just thinking about the next At. Bent i'm the kind of player that likes to be, active but it likes to be on the on the. Field i'd rather be on the field that being the, cage hitting all the time and just thinking about the next At.

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Speaker 2: Bent, well there you, Go, cam he can play first. Base you just have to be nice to.

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Speaker 4: Him you know, What communication goes a very long, way, Right just a little.

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Speaker 3: Communication tell a guy what you.

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Speaker 4: Want AND i And i'm pretty sure talking about baseball, Guys Buster posey has done an outstanding job In San.

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Speaker 3: Francisco i'm sure.

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Speaker 4: He's had that conversation even up until this point prior to Bringing raffie. In, hey we AND i don't know how it. Went this is to me, assuming, Hey, bud we're gonna bring you in. Here we're gonna start you out OF dh and that as we start you out at D, h you're gonna get some reps pre game at first and and if you're gonna take some ground balls at third, two who.

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Speaker 3: Knows what may, happen, right you, know somebody gets, hurt we need you to go.

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Speaker 4: There you're still. Serviceable BUT i think the communication is everything, here, Right. Uh AND i think now That raffie understands the picture for him right the what's, going what's gonna happen for?

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Speaker 3: HIM i think he's okay with.

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Speaker 4: It AND i also think, too with all the tend of news about him standing Up Will clark And Barry, BONDS i think he's at a point where he just wants to play baseball and he's, Like, okay let me do WHAT i need to do to just make all the noise go away and just show people That i'm here to, produce because that's what he does when he's.

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Speaker 3: Happy let's get a Happy Raffie. DEVERS a Happy Roffie devers is good for.

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Speaker 2: Baseball and as we're talking about this, Topic, trevor he had a three or on, homer so he has a two homer game today back at THE dh, spot but three for four with four. RBIs The giants are just pummeling The braves again. Today it sounds like a mix of first base IN dh could be the correct. Answer he's also been dealing with a disk issue in his back since he Joined San francisco and has pointed to that as maybe some reason why it was a slow start for him with The. GIANTS i think he'll have a big second. Half it's a good day to say it when he's got a two homer.

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Speaker 1: Game but it's.

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Speaker 2: CRAZY i, mean we went from no freaking way, stop you, know miscommunicating with me and trying to tell me to play, first to him playing first for the first time yesterday with The giant and, saying.

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Speaker 1: ACTUALLY i like, THIS i would like to do more of.

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Speaker 6: This, YEAH i think uncertainty is the thing you're trying to avoid. Here HE i just think the ship maybe had sailed a little bit enough enough bad tastes in the mouth with the with The Red, sox just the maybe a couple things not going his way and not being communicated as well and full just to be, fully you, know fair to all sides, here Like Craig breslow kind of inherited him in his contract and also inherited A Boston Red sox team that has a lot of great pieces but has had some really glaring issues and the shuffling was the only real way to address them in any meaningful way at the. Time and So raffi being A dh and being a guy who's not great defensively at third was like just the, natural just like the natural obvious. Choice but he is the guy on the, team and that's not the guy you do. That and SO i understand, both LIKE i understand why they both had their, positions makes a lot of, sense and it might just come down to The giants currently right now are just a better fit for. Him you, know we Had Lamont, wade B dfad and move after that who played most of the first, base so they kind of had a. Vacancy he probably saw that. Coming and and For buster supposed to, bike it's a much clearer picture. Here we know who plays everywhere for the most. Part we've we've signed a couple of guys to be the, core And adamison and and Uh chapman a Third like this is what we're trying to, build trying to build this core you can fitness, core and that might mean playing first. Base that is a clear plant and if you get a clear, plan you're much more likely to buy into that.

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Speaker 7: Plan.

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Speaker 6: Uh SO i love the Happy devers is the best version Of devers comment there at a. Camp and, ALSO i don't know if you guys saw that shirt he was, wearing looks so, comfortable so, uh at least he is feeling good in his body and he just put the chain.

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Speaker 7: On right in the middle of the.

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Speaker 6: Interview so if you look, good you feel, good and if you feel, good you play.

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Speaker 7: Good so, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But on the bottom, too and like we had this too About Rothie.

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Speaker 4: Devers we're making a lot about everything that's been, said but we haven't made anything about a guy who wants to be on the. Dirt like he's showing passion that he likes to play. Defense SO i think there's also an opportunity after the off season he gets healthy and we, know you, know excuse, Me chapman's offense has been jakoin hot his, career, right so they're gonna be moments even next to you.

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Speaker 3: Where what If Matt chapman just needs a, day right.

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Speaker 4: And Rodthy, devers, hey buster posey front off is your, team whoever you, Are, like let's let's put in a lot of work this offseason at third so we can get you in different time to, time but you're going to play. First SO i think the fact that he still wants to play instead of just making his, money because at one, Point i'm be honest with, You Roffey devers is a guy who gets his, money And i'm thinking he made just shut it. Down but he still he's still, is you, know, Arguing, HEY i want to.

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Speaker 3: PLAY i want to be out.

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Speaker 4: There SO i think there's a lot to be said for that as. Well god that still wants to be out.

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Speaker 2: Last one here on The, GIANTS i, MEAN i love to the trade For San. FRANCISCO i Think rafie's a superstar bat AND i think he'll age well if he's a first base SLASH dh The, GIANTS i Think i've played better than most people. Expected they're two in ours half games out of a wild card spot entering, today and it looks like they're well on their way to a. Victory what do you guys think of this team for the rest of the. SEASON i think they've got a shot at a wild. CARD i think they're pitching is pretty, Solid. Trevor for, ME i see too many easy ish outs towards the bottom of the, lineup so it looks like IF i was, THEM i would look for one more. BAT i, mean if we just go through like the common lineup for, Them lee Good ramos having a really nice year for, them then Devers A domis has picked it up a lot. Lately yustrumski has been pretty, GOOD i mean slower, lately but pretty. Good Matt chapman obviously Is Matt. Chapman and then the bottom three there you Got Dom smith at, First Casey schmidt playing, second and Then bailey at. Catcher those three from an offensive standpoint are pretty bad this. Year and Then Wilmer flores obviously mixes in has had a pretty nice season driving in. Runs BUT i see, one if not two spots that they could improve on.

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Speaker 6: There, YEAH i, MEAN i think the back end of lineups are an issue for a lot of teams trying to get. In there's there's been some pretty glaring. Issues mets have really struggled the back end of their lineup as well getting. Production so that's gonna be a target for. THEM i think at this, point like if they can grab somebody who goes out there and puts good to bats together and just gets on even if they're not like a bopper and they don't really hit a, ton but they just get on base a little bit, more that COULD i think shore that up a little bit and make them a little bit of a tougher lineup to turn. Over the issue is And cam correct me If i'm, Wrong like if your lineup is top, heavy the next best situation is to have a back end of the. Lineup though even though damage maybe isn't a, concern they're still eating pitches, up or they're turning over that, lineup or they're at least taking enough walks to be a pesky even though no one's really worried about. It that's kind of what you have to find a way to. Do and and you know you're gonna Have bailey out there. Catching he's incredible.

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Speaker 7: Eye on the. Play he handles these pitchers.

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Speaker 6: There there's good as they are for a big reason because of. Him so like he's gonna he's gonna hit, ninth he's gonna be, there and he just needs to do whatever he, does and you just got to deal with. It but if they can get i don't, know maybe a lateral move or a veteran guy to come in that just really works abs even if he's, not you, know really a guy who's gonna.

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Speaker 7: Rake or pass his best best. Time that's. Doable that's, easy AND i think they.

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Speaker 6: Can they just need to try to limit those you, know those quick, outs those quick endings back there to get like a starter back and into a game like that's the type of game they have to. Play the park they play and the pitching they, have they can win.

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Speaker 7: With not as many.

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Speaker 6: Runs and, uh leaning into that IS i think their best best way moving.

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Speaker 4: Forward thousand right quality at, bass team at, bats right, six six to, nine pitch at, bass valve ball pitches, off figure out way to get into the, bullpen right, tire tire the pitchers out for the top of the. Order but WHEN i look at this way at Ray Rue, berlin a bird, song that's a pretty nice start. Rotation you know it really is that could keep you in. Games but you said It scott in the. BEGINNING i think it's that. Shortstop you pay all that money for your. Shortstop and this is one THING i was worried, about, Right and nothing Against Willie. DOMAS i love, HIM i love him as a, person BUT i think sometimes AND i don't blame anybody if we're going to get all the, money but sometimes people, say for, granted where they play half of their, Games milwaukee is a hitters, Park so for, me for The, giants, AGAIN i was happy For Willie, domas BUT i just didn't think the park fit his game at. All like you, know like we just, said leaning into your, GAME i just didn't think that fit was the.

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Speaker 3: Fit but he has to turn it. Around you pay that money for a.

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Speaker 4: Shortstop he has to be somewhat of an offensive catalyst before you even for, me start to think about or point fingers at anybody. Else he has to play like he's getting.

00:24:45
Speaker 2: Paid, okay anyone else with thoughts on The giants and what they should do at the trade, deadline let us know if you're watching this after the, fact drop it in the. Comments one more on better than box. Scores we'll hit two teams at a. Time here the race for The National League Central The brewers finally lost a. Game they went eleven in a row And, TREVOR i Mean Logan gilbert's. Great he took them down miss went three and two, thirds didn't give up a, run one, walk seven, strikeouts but they pulled him pretty. Early Kyle riley hit his thirty nine home run of the season that was Off mears in the bottom of the.

00:25:19
Speaker 1: Sixth one, nothing that's all they.

00:25:20
Speaker 2: Need six and a, third shut, out two, hits ten strikeouts For Logan gilbert and The mariners won a Very mariners game out In.

00:25:28
Speaker 6: Seattle, yeah, yeah it's hilariously the miz comes in town matched up With Logan gilbert won. NOTHING i was there for The George kirby Versus Paul skans.

00:25:39
Speaker 7: Game. One nothing, like it's just the way it is.

00:25:42
Speaker 6: Here you better get to A Seattle mariners game on time or you're gonna MISS i just want to know it's the sixth inning before you know.

00:25:50
Speaker 7: It so it's you, know if you love, pitching it's a great. PLAY i love. Going BUT i can see.

00:25:57
Speaker 6: Fans we took a day off for this an hour and a half.

00:26:00
Speaker 7: Long what else we're gonna?

00:26:01
Speaker 6: Do Uh so, YEAH i mean And jacob Is raski is like just dialed.

00:26:08
Speaker 7: In the kid is.

00:26:09
Speaker 6: Electric you could see the swings these guys were. Taking they're just kind of, Like i'm gonna try to get this slider that's not down because this fastball is getting blown by. Me and that's ended up what they got him for a couple of the. Hits but THEY'RE i think they're just. Fortunate he only THROUGH i think fifty five or sixty pitches was his. Limit so and then they when you got to the, bullpen but one. NOTHING i, mean you gotta. Win you gotta. Win the game's supposed to. Win and it's actually really, good especially With Logan delbert and how that season's, gone not not quite as good as it was last year for him to get an outing like, this especially with How kirby's been throwing lately. Too they're looking like they're looking like the twenty Four mariners, rotation and they're niknn need that if they want to sneak into the, playoffs that's, Right and.

00:26:46
Speaker 3: Hey is it out of the?

00:26:47
Speaker 4: Question can is it out of the question that The Milwaukee brewers. Used the miss is just like a back end of the bullpen gun when we get to THE i, mean if if run a, piss run a, Pistol i'm asked In, TREVOR i don't. Know i'm asking. You i'm asking mad.

00:27:02
Speaker 3: THAT i don't.

00:27:03
Speaker 4: Know this is me being a position, player And i'm, like he's already on the pits. Count we get to the playoffs's winter, time, dude just go go out shut the door for, Me, LIKE i don't mean at some point when he comes into, play.

00:27:13
Speaker 3: RIGHT i don't.

00:27:14
Speaker 6: Know, yeah we were, saying all hands on. Deck we know, that like guys that go down in the bullpen in the fifth inning all, season they're down there laced up in inning one in the, playoffs so it's well within the wrong. POSSIBILITY i would see him functioning like last Year's mets version Of David peterson coming. In you, Know, uh someone gets knocked around for two or three innings in the second inning or, whatever and theirs getting really high both go shut him down and then let this guy throw, three, four five. Innings and they're also trying to limit his pitch. Count obviously in his inning slimmit because he hasn't thrown them. Much he throws a, Hundred like they're just all everyone's always worried about the arm flying off at an inner opportunity.

00:27:50
Speaker 7: Time it's. IT i, mean they're kind of factoring that that's going to happen at some.

00:27:53
Speaker 6: Point but you just want to make sure you're you're taking care of guys as much a. Camp SO i anticipated that being his, role that's what they wanted him to, do piggyback in a situation or in a bullpen game or.

00:28:05
Speaker 7: Something he ends up throwing the first three, innings.

00:28:09
Speaker 2: And while The brewers finally, lost The cubs were, like, damn finally they won seven shoutout innings From All Star Matt boyd having the year of his.

00:28:17
Speaker 1: Life he's got a twenty three innings score with. Streak Matt. Boyd you, Know. TREVOR i, mean he's one of the nicest teams in the.

00:28:25
Speaker 7: GAME i was the GUY i.

00:28:26
Speaker 6: WAS i was throwing long toss with him when he came Off Tommy john WHEN i was. Retired because he. Lives there's no one else up, here and he was during the. Season so it's just great to see him have, success especially with all the injuries he's gone, through and he's been great ever since he came. Back he was With cleveland last year and now with The, cubs like really no no regression at. All he's like A his command is better than it's ever. Been he's a true veteran presence and his. COMPETITOR i think he's one of the one of the best signings of this last off. Season The cubs have a few of, them so they have, looked they have, looked he has looked really good and he has been just a, huge huge piece of their.

00:29:05
Speaker 7: Success, yeah it's.

00:29:07
Speaker 1: AMAZING i mean what some spending can do for The. Cubs.

00:29:10
Speaker 2: Boyd of course they trade For. Tucker you got to find a diamond in the. Rough And Drew pomerantz has been one of those guys in the bullpen for The cubs coming back twenty. One he's, back he has.

00:29:24
Speaker 7: He always does. This, yeah he's. Great, yeah and he's.

00:29:27
Speaker 1: Had trouble staying on the field.

00:29:28
Speaker 2: Sometimes but, man if you get the Right Drew pomerantz on the mound for a long time, now it is.

00:29:33
Speaker 1: Scary that's. Why who was?

00:29:34
Speaker 2: It The padres paid him some good money a. While, yeah And El central looks good right. Now you got those two teams at the. Top you've got The reds in playoff, contention The cardinals not sure right there in the middle, there but those are four good, teams two really good, teams two pretty good. Teams and then The pirates, actually who might sweep The. Tigers that's another. Story Rich hill's back back, again pitching for almost half the league, now fourteen. Teams he's forty five years. Old trevor's forty year Old Justin turner stole third base yesterday off forty five year Old Rich. Hill that tweet From Jesse, rogers so, hey if you're feeling, old you might still be able to play.

00:30:14
Speaker 1: Baseball that's.

00:30:18
Speaker 7: Crazy love the pop pause, POPS i love. IT i love.

00:30:23
Speaker 6: IT i love Watching rich pitch by the, way shout on the, haircut showing up freshly lined, up and he had the high fade on the old side burns into like the, mullet like what all.

00:30:34
Speaker 7: The twenty one year old players.

00:30:35
Speaker 6: HAVE i, mean he was just in Triple i'm sure they're, like, Hey, rich get this and he's like, okay because he's just the he's just the. Best he'll he'll do anything for the for the. Boys SO i just need him to get that fifteenth. TEAM i need him to throw a pitch for a fifteenth. Teen he needs to break that. RECORD i bet You Edwin jackson thought that record would never be, broken and it did not last as long as he thought it, would did.

00:30:57
Speaker 7: It so, Yeah i've Seen. Rich i'm another. Team at some. POINT i Know i'm getting ahead of the putting the.

00:31:02
Speaker 6: Horns ahead of the cart, here but, uh that needs that has to, Happen.

00:31:06
Speaker 7: So someone's got to do. IT i don't know who's left on the, list.

00:31:08
Speaker 6: BUT i can't think of anyone on the top of my, head But i'm sure there's someone out there that hasn't had a Rich hill on the.

00:31:14
Speaker 3: Roster, seattle here we. Come, baby has he been With seattle? Already pitchers? Ballpark, Hey i'm thinking he.

00:31:22
Speaker 6: MIGHT i THINK i think he has A i think he has appearance For. SEATTLE i Think seattle is on the.

00:31:28
Speaker 2: List i'm, looking, guys you're putting me to the test.

00:31:34
Speaker 4: Here i'm just, curious And i'm, thinking hit whatever the most hitter friendly ball pitcher friendly.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: Ballpark you're, CLEAR i don't see A.

00:31:44
Speaker 7: Seattle let's go.

00:31:46
Speaker 3: There you go.

00:31:49
Speaker 4: With, me and if there's the, photo they're gonna. Try they can say what they. Want they're going to try to save some. Money go get, rich he'll save some. Money let him get a bunch of pop, outs a lot of soft. Contact, YEAH i mean that's the. Move they there's your fifteen team right. There market.

00:32:03
Speaker 1: Incredible he's forty five years.

00:32:06
Speaker 2: OLD i haven't seen that kind of age in the majors Since Jamie, moore AND i remember seeing more AND i was, LIKE i don't think anyone else is gonna do this ever, again and then.

00:32:13
Speaker 4: He gies my ass up at Forty at forty, FIVE i remember being a rookie In, Miami, like, yeah give me this.

00:32:20
Speaker 3: Guy oh my, god it was the longest day.

00:32:23
Speaker 4: EVER i, MEAN i LIKE i, COULD i could have caught it with my bare, hand and not JUST i mean NOTHING i can do with.

00:32:27
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00:33:29
Speaker 1: Only varies by.

00:33:30
Speaker 2: Plan great story From Hannah, kaiser who has an awesome newsletter Called The bandwagon that you should subscribe.

00:33:41
Speaker 1: To she's a good friend of THE ft.

00:33:43
Speaker 2: Network she will sometimes fill in for me when something happens to, me because it always. Does but, anyway let's get To commissioner rob banfred meeting with The Philadelphia phillies On, monday And Nick castillanos was the guy who went on record to talk To hannah about how it.

00:33:59
Speaker 1: Went how did it?

00:34:00
Speaker 2: Go for that one hour heated indirect salary cap push with his rhetoric, Shocker he, said at times the conversation did get heated enough for players to express some version of, well in that.

00:34:14
Speaker 1: Case you can leave to the.

00:34:16
Speaker 2: Commissioner but, ultimately he said he thought it was a productive. Dialogue yet the vibe was labor lawyer against players that are not nearly as educated on the, topic because that's not their. Job he also said, quote no one was physically. Assaulted here's some of the notes From hannah and The bandwagon about how it all went, down and when he was asked if he explicitly brought up a, cap he, said, quote he was very eloquently speaking around. It and then he also even went as far as floating counter. Proposal so he is in full on strategy mode right, Now, Trevor and at least with The, phillies you're picking the wrong fight because you've got some dudes that will speak up and they've got dirt and their, spikes meaning they've been in the league for a.

00:34:57
Speaker 6: While, yeah they're guys who also played for a period of time with some of the most active leaders in the sub, committee namely Like bassett And Max schurz are like so they've been trained by the best as well and heard those guys and how informed they. Are this is all very interesting AND i think that it's all part of a. Strategy we're Seeing rob show up in a lot of places that he actually hasn't ever been. Before we saw him talk about, McAfee saw him top To Big kat over on on barstool, recently which was surprising to me because he doesn't usually do interviews very, often and he's also on this tour in the middle of the season before these conversations. HAPPEN i think this is a little bit of being able to sneak in before THE pa starts to have their preliminary conversations as well the armor to inform these, players get them before they are informed on the.

00:35:50
Speaker 7: SITUATION i think that is very much part of the.

00:35:52
Speaker 6: Strategy but it is good to see that The phillies kind of pushed back on all that of. Stuff AND i hear a lot of comments from from the commisure and let me be very clear, HERE i Just i'm. Trying it's really really, hard But i'm trying to just see this from as objective of a direction as.

00:36:09
Speaker 7: Possible because he is a labor.

00:36:10
Speaker 6: Lawyer he said it himself actually With macbeece when he was asked about the comment he made about The punk Of metal calling The World series trophy that and he, said you know, What i'm a lawyer by, trade AND i tend to try to make My i'll say things that maybe aren't in good taste in order to make my case.

00:36:27
Speaker 7: Case some, Point we're going to see a lot of.

00:36:29
Speaker 6: That and he admitted that he does, That so this is something you can point out pretty.

00:36:33
Speaker 7: Regularly but he.

00:36:34
Speaker 6: Says a lot of things without any, substance like the economic system isn't, working How like what isn't? Working because last year was the highest revenues? Ever so those two things don't really lie for the, layman for, anybody, like, wait most money, ever economic system isn't, Working so who's it not working?

00:36:56
Speaker 7: For how's not?

00:36:57
Speaker 6: Working that is a question That i've never heard him answer with any definitive bullet point list or anything. Specific AND i think that the players are a little bit, frustrated like you're saying things are, broken but you're unwilling to prove that. Anything How SO i think we hear this a lot in the world these. Days there's a lot of what and.

00:37:15
Speaker 7: Not a lot of.

00:37:16
Speaker 6: How AND i think we're to the point where, like, okay we get. It what's the next, Step like what do you want to? Do and then we can have that discussion that's called a good faith. Conversation but we can't have that right. Now AND i think that The phillies players picked up on that he he.

00:37:31
Speaker 2: Wants to get as much as he can cam out of this LAST cva that he's going to.

00:37:34
Speaker 1: Negotiate he's THE, ceo he works for the.

00:37:36
Speaker 7: Owners.

00:37:37
Speaker 4: YEAH i always like to defer To trip on, this AND i want to ask trev if he ever heard. This this song got heard earlier. Today he says some, stuff but is it? True his name Is Rob. Manford that's. IT i defer To trim on.

00:37:53
Speaker 3: THAT i love the. Jingle i'm gonna keep getting my news From. Trim he explained it perfectly.

00:37:58
Speaker 4: Right it's just there's a lot of skating and dancing around points when we're not getting actual. Answers and this is WHY i think it's, AGAIN i think this is in favor of the players and why there may end up being a lockout because there's there's so much truth that just goes you, know that.

00:38:15
Speaker 3: Just doesn't get talked. About, right and we see, this we know.

00:38:19
Speaker 4: It AND i Think Nick, cassis you, know his whole comments it was, productive but at least nobody was. HARMED i think that says says it all. Right the guys are tired of. It and then let me say, This trevor hit all the great. Points why would you go talk to the phillies of all teams after The All star hold, debacle with The phillies speaking out even more publicly about how upset they were with the process of. Baseball, SO i don't, KNOW i love tramp hit, it but it's just what a bad team to pick the go talk?

00:38:44
Speaker 3: To how about?

00:38:45
Speaker 1: That, yeah that's. True on the, schedule schedule.

00:38:49
Speaker 3: Like, that you're you're the. Commissionary we got a you know, What we're gonna go somewhere. Else let's go somewhere.

00:38:54
Speaker 4: Else let's, go let's go To let's go To, Pittsburgh let's go To, Milwaukee let's go try to get these.

00:38:59
Speaker 3: Guys let's go to convince these guys LIKE i just.

00:39:01
Speaker 7: Because of a bad.

00:39:02
Speaker 6: Place, yeah well that trust, me that is, happening And i'll be. Honest the vote for the vote for the last lockout guys was eight nothing in favor of continuing it by the. Subcommittee the four teams that those members of the subcommittee were on all voted.

00:39:16
Speaker 7: Know the other twenty six voted.

00:39:18
Speaker 6: Yes so like he sees an opportunity to talk to teams that don't have representation in that are the most educated on the subject and get them to vote in their favor like.

00:39:30
Speaker 7: That that is what this.

00:39:31
Speaker 6: Is he saw that and is doing this like it's pretty. Clear but at the end of the, day IF i can leave you one thing before we you, know finish up this. Segment just from the players, standpoint it's just about maintaining the fairness and making sure that the revenue shares and the competitive balance are being adjusted accordingly based on how the game changes every five.

00:39:51
Speaker 7: Years just it's fairness at the end of the.

00:39:53
Speaker 6: Day if there's a, problem let's let's agree on what the problem is and let's discuss what it. Is the problem is we have not agreed on what the problem is in the last two cbas and that you can't have a good faith the conversation until you establish the.

00:40:08
Speaker 7: Rules so that is what we're looking at.

00:40:09
Speaker 6: Doing and just pay attention on both sides whether or not they're doing that or.

00:40:12
Speaker 2: Not instead of going To, philly he could have waited a little, Longer Rob manfred and he could have come on our. Show he's done a media, tour he's been. Invited we actually set up a time with. Him he wanted to talk about what the interview would be, like and then he canceled on. Us we are the show that has by far the most current players and by far the most former players that are hosting.

00:40:30
Speaker 1: It i'm the only one on the.

00:40:31
Speaker 2: SIDE i don't have to be involved if he doesn't want me on, There but if you really want to hear from players in the player, voice this is probably a good place to. Start the neutral network, independent nobody owns. Us it'd be awesome to have him. On the invite is, there AND i know people from the league That i'm friends with listen to this show and they can go. Shit they talked about you. Today you should go, On so we'll see what happens at some. Point but the invite is always there to have just a good friendly conversation and let him do his, thing just like he's doing on other plays. Platforms, alrighty let's slap and shout out much more Of Trevor may every. Week On, mayday he talked about a little bit of labor, strife Also trevor a.

00:41:25
Speaker 1: Little bit of pitching. Expertise put a lot into this. One wanted to shout it out here at the finish.

00:41:30
Speaker 2: Line you, know we always love having you, on but they can get their dose Of trevor just about every.

00:41:36
Speaker 1: Week.

00:41:38
Speaker 6: Yep, absolutely mondays except for the next two. Weeks it'll be On tuesdays at one Pm scific four.

00:41:44
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