Club 520 - Tiara Thomas on Rihanna taking her song, Beyonce, her cousin Isaiah Thomas

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All right, we backing 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.560 another episode of Club five twenty podcasts. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.160 I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.440 Special guest to my left, we're gonna introduce her last 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.880 to my far left on my dog Bishop be here 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:43.600 and out the prairies. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:44.720 My nigga, how you are today? 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.720 Cool on that as let's get two it. We got 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.279 a music vet in this motherfucker today. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.200 Yeah, so you'll have to listen to her opinion over 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:52.280 yours today. You know what I'm saying. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.160 We'll see to my right, my dog, he will know 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.760 about his music taste right now. Still young notch, all 0:01:58.800 --> 0:01:59.920 young t how you at man? 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.559 Listen? I'm still rolling with all right, Mike's the greatest. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.480 Alright, I'm done. We ain't worry about that. But my 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.360 feet old schools about a double man. I hooped today 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.080 and these actually my feet kind of hurt right now, 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.160 I'll see why. Yeah, that's crazy. You look at them 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:14.600 old shoes. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.440 And Niggas was probably geeked it like when they first 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.760 Like when I say my Niggas was geeked, but. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.560 They was playing in chuck, so that ship was upgrade. Yeah, definitely, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:22.880 but it's cool. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.280 But to my left, you know what I'm saying, we 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.840 got a legend from the city song Winterer, Grammy Winner, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:30.519 Award winning artists. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:31.720 MISTERR Thomas, how you doing? 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:32.359 Hey? 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:33.000 What's up? 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.079 Put up the five twenty? You said, what I'm doing great? 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:36.799 Thanks for having me. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.679 Hey, we appreciate you being here. We already started to 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.160 show with a frog question. You know what I'm saying. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.160 Obviously you're into music. What's one song that you was like, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.000 damn I wish I had, or he was a part 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.919 of and it maybe got switched up, or your dream song? 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.760 Oh that's a good I gave you a whole bunch 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.000 of options that you can't bound out. 0:02:55.040 --> 0:03:02.320 Of that I wish I was a part of. I 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.120 want to say, like some Ratchet ship, but it's actually 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.799 probably any Lauren Hill song from this education of Warren Hill. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.920 He's a big Laura Hill fan. Yeah, we just had 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.000 a very proud about. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:19.440 Her good taste. Yeah, probably anything that I would have 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.120 loved to work on anything on that project, but I 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.960 was still such I was so young being influenced still 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:29.280 during that point. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.560 So yeah, what was a Rats song? What the Ratch project? 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:40.400 A Ratchet project? Maybe some Ego ship early migos. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:43.680 You was in a Lanta for that. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.840 Yeah, I remember they was doing Pokemon and shit, but uh, 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:48.800 I had a song called Pokemon. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.760 I never forget it. Got to catch them all something 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.600 like that, But I've never heard a song about life. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.200 It didn't come out, but damn na, I was going 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.200 to ask you. So, was it like Lauryn Hill from 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.440 Sister Act that got you? Because that's the only reason 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.600 I like Morehill be cause the Sister No, it was. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.720 Like Laurence Hill. Laurence Hill. So the way I grew 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.480 up like I wasn't allowed to really listen to hip 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.040 hop music. So the way I heard hip hop music 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.920 was listening to my older brothers mixtapes and stuff. You know, 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:22.039 That's why I just discovered like three six Mafia Biggie 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.120 Tupac project, like literally all the. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.680 Physic's Mafia. You gotta be from that project to DJ. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:36.560 Black, yeah for sure. And so yeah, I gravitated towards Uh. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:39.719 I listened. I grew up on a lot of different 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.880 type of music. I listened to music that people would 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.760 be like, quote unquote considered white people music. And then 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.680 also I gravitated towards Laurence Hill just because I loved 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.000 her tone and like she had like this deep, soulful 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.880 voice and that I wasn't used to hearing voices like 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.120 that because usually the girls they sound like real girly 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.200 and you know, feminine, and uh, so I loved her tone, 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.240 and I love the fact that she played guitar, and 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.400 I wanted to learn how to play guitar. So yeah, 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.640 that's why I gravitated towards her. But then Sister Act 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.520 though Sister Act is Fire is a fire movie. For sure? 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:15.640 Would you pay tickets for our concert? 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:24.120 Uh? What I paid tickets? I would? I would uh listen, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.440 I've seen Lauren Hill before, it was for free, and 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:31.680 she did show up, she was there, I don't remember. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.200 I don't think so. I don't think so. But I'm 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.560 definitely gonna support Laurren Hill like forever because she's been 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.719 a huge inspiration to me. So but I buy tickets. Yeah, 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.880 I buy tickets to Lawren Hill. Maybe not super in 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.120 advance like you buy Beyonce tickets super in advance, but 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.400 you know I would. I would definitely buy tickets to 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.040 see Lauren if they weren't free. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:57.839 That's real. Yeah, I won't people with you. I don't 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:58.800 think she's gonna show up. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:00.560 She does not trustworthy. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.520 Surely she reimbursing though. If she don't want to show up, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.039 surely that's out of pocket. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.280 Though, yeah, I'm many that back. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.560 If you know, that's like you getting booked for a 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.160 show and you just not pull it up and say hey, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:11.960 I got your next time. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.479 That would be crazy. That's a little crazy. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:21.320 Fabric concert You ever been to my favorite? Oh yeah, uh. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.280 That's a good one. Drake versus one just because they 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.160 they I'm a concert board so I've never seen a 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.040 battle in the concert with two major artists like that, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.920 So that was different team. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:46.760 I would say it would be between uh, Beyonce I've 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:52.960 seen her twice. Drake I did. I did pay for 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.760 those tickets. Drake Drake was pretty amazing. I saw him 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:04.640 in Houston and uh random experience. Oh Coldplay, I with that. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.400 That ship was fire bullshit though it was, it was. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:09.880 Up and there. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.040 No, I was like backstate Wool because her she I 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.680 was just went on tour with her, not even I 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.600 wasn't even performing. I just got on the tour bus 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.520 just to go on tour with her and cold Play. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:22.840 I will go to the shows. And that was like 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.720 one of my favorite bands growing up because I told you, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.160 I want a lot to listen about music. So I 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.840 was listening to the bands and Ship, so I was 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:35.040 listening to cold Play so that that was amazing. Cold Play, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.160 fallout Boy, those were dope concerts. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:44.200 I ain't going no call out fallout Boy, play, I 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:50.080 ain't messing with the best. I did me too at 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.000 that just tipulator, I get them in the backtrat boys 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.640 mixing up. Yeah, but I went to I went to 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.960 a jay Z ANDZ concert. That's probably my favorite concert. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:06.760 And then the rong Wave concert was damn that was special. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.160 Bro shouts about that here you bro. He took me 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.800 to the Right Way because I did take out. He 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.320 inspired me to go and I had a great time 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.120 at Right Way. I was crying happy all at one time. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.440 I ain't never been. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.720 Won that concert so bad, I said, I don't know 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.320 what emotion I have right now. It was like I 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.440 played for the patients. It has never been to spitting 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:36.160 people here. On the personal it was a couple of 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.040 games when we was in the playoffs, it was like that. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:42.080 But then it got crazy that mother I personally now 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.080 the Roight Wave. I've never been to a concert where 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.719 motherfucker son word for word from the beginning to the 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.000 end of somebody on stage shouting to be honest, I 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.040 swear like no disrespect. But that was just kind of different. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:09:00.600 I think Wave has that he has like this following, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.000 like it's like you either love him. He got people 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.400 that really mess with him because deep emotional music and 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.719 so when you those are the kind of people that's 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.839 gonna buy tickets to the concert. They're not just like 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:18.560 listening passively on Spotify or whatever. So, yeah, what. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.640 Sures did Jay ship one of is that together that 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.640 that Drake NICKI and Ross, I mean I d. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:32.240 Be Rick Ross was dimmer the opener, and he just 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.439 got up there with a backdrop and just did the 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.720 whole techlon all the way through and got off stage. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:37.880 It was fire as that was. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.679 Homecoming, right, I remember that. I used to have the 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.560 craziest homecoming performances. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.080 Oh yeah, my niggah. We was on that bus wild. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:48.040 Tell us more about that. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:54.720 We ain't talking about it, but y to start getting 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:55.679 that in the stories. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:58.679 Situations. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.959 No, Someboddy, but that was like prime Nikki too, And 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:03.560 like Nikki about to have an album come out next 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:04.760 week and ain't nobody talking about it. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.559 She's not, but I mean she is. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:08.480 She had. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.920 I used to love Nikki. I know that was my 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.000 favorite girl in the world. I think I wanted to 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.000 her female all time. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.000 About I think so too. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.800 I think I was just keeping this music. You're not 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.320 a little horny horn horn over there. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.920 I used to have a Nikki shirt with a little 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:33.959 cheeks was out. But she's so unique, that's what you say. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:35.480 She's so unique? 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:36.040 Yeah she is. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:40.040 She got a beautiful look. She beautiful and she people 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:41.800 trying to shoot on Nikki like that. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.920 I don't think she looked. It's the ship that comes 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:47.360 with her. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:48.959 Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.640 It's the whole, her husband, all that ship. It's kind 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.040 of like she married. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:59.600 No disrespect my boy. He said, damn, I don't want 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:00.360 know she man. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.360 Just that changed. I feel like that changed her career 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.720 for real, like when she got with him and people 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:07.600 started finding out like. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.560 Who he was, and honestly, on top of that, when 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:16.000 she left Sofari, she got different. He wrote her boss. Yeah, 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.480 some of it. I don't think he contributed. I'm not 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.720 gonna say she's talented, but he definitely contributed. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.800 I think people try to try to pin try to 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.280 pin people against Nikki and other and other, you know, 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.760 female rappers. I think I think people do that when like, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.199 you know, somebody else come out, especially with women, like 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.760 female artists, they try to like, don't know, I ever 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.640 see like somebody trying to pin Taylor Swift against I 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.319 don't know, another one of these white girls. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.720 Girl Taylor Swift from Britney Spears. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:46.000 We don't. 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.760 That's a that's what. That's the black community trying to 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.400 discredit the motherfucker trying to nitpick right. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.480 And act like it's only one person who can exist 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.520 in that space. And so I feel like they really 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.760 try to amb up that whole whatever. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.360 Fucked up the music industry. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:02.679 It did, it really did. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.400 But how you feel about writing though, Like, I know 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.880 you clearly you look at it as you helping the 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.720 artists become better or whatever. But look, what's your take 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.680 on writing? Do you prefer writing or performing? 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.240 My take on writing, Yeah, I prefer performing. I don't 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.800 really like so like I started writing by accident a 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.520 little bit, because you know, I did the song with 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.280 Walle Bad that people know, and I put that song 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.640 on YouTube like as my own song when I was 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:38.160 in college, and it just so happened that Walle wanted 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:43.160 to use that song for a single. So after, you know, 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.560 Walle and I kind of fell out after that song, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.160 and then I went and signed a deal with Interscope 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.000 and it just like I didn't love it there. I 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.559 feel like they wanted me to be on some like 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:04.360 I was on my stoner like bad girl shit, acoustic shit, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:05.920 and I feel like they wanted me to be on 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.000 like some I don't know, a little bit more corny 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.360 than like a little bit more corny than what I 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.520 wanted to do. They didn't like the whole stoner shit 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.319 because they didn't realize like a whole wave of that 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.000 was about to come, Yeah for sure exactly, And so 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.439 I was kind of just trying to figure my life out. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.160 While I was at Innerscope. I put out a couple 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.199 of projects. I put out a project that was kind 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:36.199 of like different from what people knew me as on 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:41.599 my acoustic raw shit, and so yeah, I was just 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.599 trying to figure it out. And in the meantime, I 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.800 had gotten a new management company and at the time 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.440 her was her wasn't even thought of her name. Her 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.280 name is Gappy, but she wasn't even thought that name 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:55.079 wasn't even thought of. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:55.959 She was like fifteen. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:03.880 I want to say to thousand and fifteen, I was. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.480 I signed with Rico. Yeah, through in a sco we 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:13.240 go love with the show. Yeah yeah, shout out to Rico. Uh, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.040 he's super talented writer. But I think I just think 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.720 our chemistry like we just didn't mix over there at 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.920 the label. And as someone who he was a writer producer, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.080 I'm a writer producer. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.720 It, you know, I can understand. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.160 So anyway, I met her, Gabby, she was like fifteen, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.240 and uh, we had to say management and she was 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.960 just kind of like she was fired. I started playing 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.760 guitar and singing. One day, she the first day I 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.000 met her, I walked in the studio and she was 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.120 in there, playing like Aliyah on the guitar, and I 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.520 was like, damn, she's fired. And I just love when 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.480 artists are fired, Like I just be wanting other people 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.640 to see them. I'm like, damn, Like she this little 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.720 fifteen year old girl, she got a tone like this. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:04.480 So I started write music with her, and her ship 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.080 just took off. And so like all that ship, all 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.880 that her ship was just like kind of by accident. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.920 We just have a very organic writing relationship, and so 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.240 it just so happened that I just wrote all these 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.800 songs with her, like I was the last album that 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.640 she put out, Like, I wrote maybe eleven songs on 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.080 there with her. We would just it would just be 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.200 us two in the studio for hours, just vibing out. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:29.400 Was part of Damage. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:37.760 Yeah, yep, Damage, come Through, Come Through. I wrote come 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.160 Through when I was I wrote come Through, like damn 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.280 near six years ago. I was I was like mad 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:44.960 depressed at the time, and I was trying to figure 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.600 out what I was going to do with my life. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.680 And I remember I was in the closet. I was 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.840 literally inside of my closet and in the dark, and 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.320 I was mad depressed at this time in my life, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.320 and I was just trying to think of something cool 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.960 and somebody sent me this guitar loop First Come Through 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.720 featuring Chris Brown. It didn't have Chris Brown on it 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.120 at the time, obviously, but I just started coming up 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.480 with this fly like it was fly they won't tell 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.120 because they trying to live their best life too. Yeah, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.560 So I was like okay, yeah, so I was like 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.120 that shit hard. But at the time, like as an artist, 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.640 sometimes when you do something you don't know that it's dope. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.160 I mean like I knew that it was dope, but 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:36.720 it's like, yeah, you don't be believing sometimes until like hella, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.920 other people say, oh, this shit is fired. But when 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.160 I heard it, when I did it, I was like 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.480 that that's fire. And I was like, Yo, my pant's crazy, 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.600 and I that song. I just set on that song 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.360 for a long time, and then I was in the 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:48.800 studio with her one day and I was like, yo, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.560 listen to this song, and she was like, that's fire, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.320 and she wanted to cut it, and she cut the song, 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.920 and then the next time we never talked about it 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.760 again because we just be writing hell of songs, so 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.879 we never talked about the song again. But my manager 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.040 came in the studio like two years later and he 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:08.600 was like, yo, I want you to hear something. He 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.200 played the song and it had Chris Brown on it. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.040 We know how Chris Brown got on it. He was 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:14.600 just on it, and so we were like cool. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:15.920 So they just went with that. 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.479 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was gonna use that as 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.760 one of my singles because but I felt like I 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.399 sent it around to a couple of people. I sent 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.520 it to my management and they were like, yeah, this 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.520 is cool, but they weren't like hype, and I was 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.359 just like, no, this ship is fire. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:35.159 It did it. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.880 I Mean that's how it be though, Like that's really 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.879 how it be in the music industry. Like you might 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.560 write some ship that's fire and somebody here and they'd 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.400 be like, yeah, this is cool, and you kind of think, dang, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.280 maybe it's just cool, and then it come up a 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:58.480 couple of years later and everybody confirms that this ship 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.600 is fire and and they're like, oh, this is fire. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.600 But that's just how it be, Like that's just the game. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.360 You know, it's crazy if you think about it. Every 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.760 good song has got passed on. Everything got passed on. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.440 It's crazy that somebody made this far and it took 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.679 the right person, the right circumstance to get to that exactly. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.600 But with you been a writer, I always wondered, like, 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.639 you know, obviously in rap niggas getting ridiculed if you 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.000 write for somebody else, bars like they they nothing on you. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.200 With it being R and B and a double genres 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:24.639 of music. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.400 Where that's more welcome with today's accessibility to put out 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.560 your own music, or like having different platforms to where 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.840 you can be your own manager, your own label. Right 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.280 now everybody can hear your music go viral. Now would 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.360 you fl differently being a writer if you came out 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:37.920 in this era? 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.200 I think, uh, I'm not. I don't regret like any 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:50.120 how anything went, because I think my career like has 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.200 worked out well. It wasn't how I expected, but it 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.800 was like, oh okay, it's not gonna go that way, 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:01.560 but okay, okay, that's cool, So so I don't regret it. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.800 I don't regret how anything went. And also what I 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:11.399 do understand as a writer, as a singer songwriter, is 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:16.000 that sometimes you have a song, and I wanted to. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.720 I wanted her to hear this song in particular, come through. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.920 I thought it would be a bigger song if she 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:23.399 sang it. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.680 Yeah, that's true. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.360 And with the with the place that I was at 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.480 in my career at the time, I thought it would 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.640 be a bigger song if she sang it. And so now, yeah, 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.680 now it's a different it's a different time in music. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.480 You don't need a label. You can just personally hire 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.760 all these people that the label hires, because that's what 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.920 they do. They just they hire social media marketers and 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.000 all these different people, and you know, and the artists 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.200 can do that themselves independently now if you got the 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.680 bread to do it. So definitely, I've been doing a 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.840 lot less writing for other artists because I've a publishing deal. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:01.960 So nice. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.719 I get opportunities to don't call me and be like, yo, 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.439 you want to work with so and so, And if 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:09.879 I don't want to work with them, I don't. I 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.280 don't work with them. If I think they're dope, if 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.840 I like their voice, if I like their vibe, then 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:19.760 I'm like, okay, cool, I'll go fuck with them. But yeah, 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.439 there's a lot of stuff that I keep to myself. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:23.959 I keep to myself. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.200 Now, what was the biggest lesson you learned from that 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:26.879 bad record? 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:35.040 Though from bad those bad was very it was very 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:46.680 interesting because I felt like I didn't now ten years 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.879 more than ten years later, a little bit more than 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.359 ten years later, I look back and I realized I 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:56.680 didn't enjoy that moment like I like an artist should 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.119 enjoy their first song being on the radio, right, I 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.800 didn't enjoy it. I think there was a lot of 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:12.600 drama surrounding the song. I think, maybe also coming from Indiana, 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.280 I didn't know anything about the music industry at the time. 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.440 I didn't know how anything worked, and so some things 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:24.360 I may have taken personally or I just didn't understand 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:33.600 until several years later. But I'm happy that that the 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.240 song turned out the way it did, that it was 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:39.000 my song, and then Walla ended up using a hit 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.200 as his song. I know during that time when Walle 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.160 was with Atlantic, and I don't even know if I'm 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.080 supposed to say this, but I mean, it's just a facts. 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.159 All I can do is just say the facts. They 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.880 At the time, it wasn't popular to have an unsigned 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:59.680 artist on your song. Now, any type of artists don't 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.440 have to be sign you can you know, be on 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.320 the radio. Nobody, you know, nobody cares. But at the 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.720 time they were this song that it was was already 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.160 on my YouTube for like, you know, two years. Maybe 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.359 they were trying to find somebody else to sing it 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.840 and the hook, so they was they I heard, you know, 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.040 I heard Kelly Rowland's name thrown out there. I heard 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:27.440 Cassie's name thrown out there. But initially it was my 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.320 voice that stayed on the song because I wrote and 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.080 co produce a song, so. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:36.120 Publishing money. 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.280 Yeah, and then you know, as you know, the Bad 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.320 Remix came out with Rihanna, and that's that's what I 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.119 really didn't understand at the time, was owning publishing on 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:49.439 a song and then having an artist as big as 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:53.639 Rihanna sing your song. Like when a Ship first came 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.080 out and I first heard Rihanna was on that joint, 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.840 I was like, hold on, where'd you a. 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:02.080 Lit? 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:02.600 Nah? 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:08.320 I was, I was saltyre here's it? Because yeah, I 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:12.360 was salty because it wasn't long lived. 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:12.879 Here's the thing. 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.880 I'm a Rihanna fan. That's who I listened to in college. 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.560 I had a haircut that was inspired by Rihanna. Like 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.280 Rihanna albums, Like I will still say to this day, 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.200 out of all singers, I think Rihanna has the most 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:28.960 well put together albums. 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:30.960 What's your favorite album? 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:31.679 Uh? 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:32.760 Maybe Anti? 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:34.600 Yeah? 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.840 Could she'd just be having everything on that joint, like 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.520 she's gonna cover all the all the basses. And so 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.000 I was just I was very inspired by Rihanna. I 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.280 loved Rihanna, and uh so when she sang my song, 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.359 all I saw was online like as somebody who's like 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:53.480 a nobody from Indiana and then you get online and 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.680 you hear all these people talking like you just not. 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.600 I wasn't prepared for that, you know, and they were like, oh, 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.160 Rihanna's soyo song, And I was like, what the heck? 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.600 And uh, I know me and me and while they 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.880 were beefing at the time, and so he had called 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.720 me maybe like a couple of days before that song 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.920 came out, and you know, he's trying to clean it 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:14.440 up a little bit because you know that remix was 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:17.000 about to come out. He was like basically they was 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.800 in a club. While they had a section in the club, 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.680 Rihanna had a section in the club and Rihanna was 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.119 like the dad came on and Rihanna was like, I 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.280 want to sing that song, and so he was like, yo, come, 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:34.199 you know, come sing a remix. And so yeah, when 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.720 a joint came out, I heard it when everybody else 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:40.240 heard it, and I was like, damn, Rihanna on my song. 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.280 And I was salty at the time. And I think 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.120 I was just salty because you know, me and while 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.760 were beefing, and I felt like it was something behind that, 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:53.600 you know, the reason why Rihanna was on my song. Yeah, 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.960 And then when I saw that the song actually blew 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:02.119 up because Rihanna was on on a joint, I was like, 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.760 and I still own the song. I was like, hold 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.879 on now, yeah. I was like, now, who else can 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:16.840 we get on the song? Taylor Swift one up? I 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.399 want to get a verse on the song. Yeah. So 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.800 when I when I realized, like really, how that worked, 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.000 and then actually really once I like kind of stepped 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:30.280 out of my ego and listened to the song, I 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.119 was like, Yo, Rihanna singing a joint just like me. 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.720 She didn't switch up, how like she sing that like me? 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.399 She like how I sing it? And uh, and so 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.359 h yeah, and so I was like, and also, this 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.879 is one of my favorite artists at the time, so 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.119 I was like, yeah, that's that's actually pretty dope. And 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.280 so and it worked out for me. And still like, 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:57.600 the original of Bad is the original, and you know, 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.520 I think that's the version that people gravitate towards. Although 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.400 you know Rihanna seeing the remix, So that's pretty cool 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.720 that I have Rihanna writing credit under under my belt. 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:11.080 Straight up. 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:12.119 Now, that's fine. 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.520 Like you said, you're getting used to the business acleiment 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:16.359 of doing something that you love. It's a hell up 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.639 a switch up because Wilet probably in some instances was 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:21.760 just kind of like, this is business, and then you realize, oh, 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.200 a lot of people get these situations to where oh, 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.400 this is normal, kind of like how we did with podcasting, 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:28.040 and we thought once we got to a points, you know, 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:29.280 business kind of picked up. 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.320 We thought things would go a little bit different. 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.159 They were a little bit drawn out, but like to 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.639 see all his fire reels that we didn't have on 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.680 YouTube doing like millions of views, just like how. 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.240 We made that from it. 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:47.200 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's really about it's really about discovery. 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:51.840 People people discovering and sometimes like not all the time 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.360 sometimes like that that should be Really. 0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:56.920 It's the best publicity. 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.840 It was, it really was, it really was. 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.639 I put you in different rooms for real, because now 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.560 my fuckers want to know who really behind the song. 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.400 And the only thing is, like I would you ask 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.720 me what my my biggest take lesson from that, I 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:12.560 wish I would have taken advantage of that more instead 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.800 of realizing, like you know, nowadays, some people like they 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.320 like the even whether it's positive attention or negative attention, 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.800 like I took the negative attention, and I like, I 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.919 took you personal when really because I didn't know at 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.119 the time, like, yo, you better use this as the 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:34.520 opportunity to catapult herself and like you know exactly. Yeah, 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.399 So I think that's one thing that I wish I 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.880 would have done better. But I was young, very young 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:42.720 at the time, like I said, from Indiana, I don't 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:44.720 know anything about the industry. So I wish I just 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.720 would have you know, Noody really got Yeah, I didn't 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:49.639 have anybody to get me. 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.240 It was literally yeah, you and him straighten out though, right. 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.560 Yeah, So he hit up my his people hit up 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.959 my people, like a couple of weeks ago, I did 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.240 a show. I did a song on Victoria and Victoria 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.760 Mone's tour. I sang bad and uh my manager hit 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:08.560 me upon was like, yo, Whalley said, he wants you 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.720 to come to DC and do uh do bad. So 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.240 I did that like two weeks ago. And that's the 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:19.080 first time I saw Wala in like several years, ten 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.919 plus years, and for definitely the first time I performed 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.359 it with him in like ten plus years. So that 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:24.960 was cool. 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:26.440 That's a good energy. 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.359 That's far. I mean, you know what I'm saying that 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:29.280 I got that back right. 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.520 I gotta ask you, what is your favorite concert that 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:34.479 you performed at, Like your favorite setting that you're doing. 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.359 Like, I know you've been on a lot of different stages. 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:37.800 What's the most memorable one? 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:46.360 Hmmm, my most memorable? I don't know. I think all 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.720 this shit's been pretty fun. I was on I think 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.200 it's cool that. I mean, I was on tour and 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:53.760 Push Your Tea and I was so random, but definitely, yeah, 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.360 that was it was pushing TA and be A before 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:57.760 Bea like really got cracking. 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.160 Was Coke on the tour, not that. 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.800 I know, No, he wasn't. 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.560 He was mad cool, but I was following right there. Yeah, 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:07.440 for sure. 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:09.640 I do. 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:12.640 But man, right here with Coke Verse, I'm gonna go crazy. 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:13.080 We need it. 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.000 But yeah, I was on tour and Push Your Tea 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.040 and that ship was cool because like I was on 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.000 a rap concert and like that was that was fire, 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.040 and I thought being on tour with her was pretty fun. 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:24.840 That's when I got to travel the world. I had 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.480 never left the country and never had a passport, so 0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.160 I was like bouncing. I was in Germany, I was 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.280 in Paris, I was I was going, So that shit 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:37.720 was crazy. So yeah, that was fun to just traveling 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.280 and just experiencing life. So it's just cool to be 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.000 in different countries and ship and people be singing your songs. 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.520 They don't even speak English that well, but they know 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:50.880 I know the words to your songs. So I don't know. 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.160 I just I like being on stage. I like performing. 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:55.200 I'm looking forward to getting back to that. 0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:02.720 Don't turn into Lauren Hill. Goddamn, nah, pull up your inspiration. 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.080 She was on time today though. 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.040 Yeah, I was a little bit late today, but I 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.920 usually yeah, I'm usually like very Yeah, I'm punctual, like 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.320 I try to be professional. You know, I haven't had 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:18.840 i had like one media training back in twenty thirteen. 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.880 But I'll be sure. I'm a communications major, so like 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:24.880 i'd be trying to like, you know you sure, I 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.440 was just fucking with you professional. 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.760 Want to get the updated a little bit different things. 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:33.840 You can't say that you can say. 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.880 I realized that. I realized that. But it's cool. Yeah, 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:39.680 I just thought I might have to put out there, y'all. 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:40.840 I don't got the media training. 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:41.240 It's just me. 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.720 It's just me and my thoughts for sure. 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.640 Yeah, you said you was a basketball fan before we 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.240 got on the show. We got on here. 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:49.280 I like basketball. 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.880 You telling me your cousin was Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:53.560 got a little history, made cuts me out. 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.960 One day I heard he said you was trashed and 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:57.760 you said he was trashed. 0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.080 Yeah, we had a little back and forth. 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:04.720 Yeah that is my cousin. Uh so I discovered this. 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.080 So my grandma and granddaddy had twenty kids together. 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:12.280 Goddamn. 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:13.920 Yeah. 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.680 Yeah, so my daddy, Yeah, I think my daddy is 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:25.400 number seventeen. And my daddy's brother, my uncle Jimmy is 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.800 is so my uncle Jimmy, my daddy's brother. His son 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:35.040 is Keith Isaiah's daddy. And so anyway, I knew Isaiah 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.600 was my cousin when he played for the Sacramento Kings. 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.080 I was like, that's your cousin. He plays professional basketball 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.200 whatever blah blah blah blah blah. I was like, oh cool, 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:48.719 So yes, I'm a basketball fan. I liked basketball. Used 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:54.320 I used to play. I played point, as you can see. 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:56.560 Was nice. 0:31:57.040 --> 0:32:01.480 I mean getting dragged listen, it was a long listen, 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.440 it was a long time. I can shoot. Okay, I 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.239 can shoot. I can shoot. I got bad knees at 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:10.600 this point in ankle. 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:23.520 That I gotta look up the line maybe. 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:30.520 I'm gonna do my ancestry dot com. But I stopped hooping. 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.480 I gave up my hoop dreams for show Choir when 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.320 I realized, I mean, because it was girls that was hooping, 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.800 like you can tell they was like playing with niggas 0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.640 growing up. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, they 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:44.360 was hooping like that. 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:44.920 And so. 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.719 When I realized I liked music and I was very 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.960 invested in music. Then I started doing show Choir track. 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:56.960 You know, I ran track. I got dusted in track 0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:03.320 a little bit though. All together, I wasn't I wasn't slow. 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.720 I wasn't slow. But you know them girls that just 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.640 be having a when you be on a what you 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:11.400 call when you be on the starting line and you 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.720 about to uh you in the starting box or whatever. 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.680 I could just tell you know, them bitches they had 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:18.840 their thighs was just big. 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:20.560 They had for the life. 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:21.200 Yeah they did. 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.920 Their thighs was big. And they was just like they 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.680 had me in the sprints to you know, like hundred serious. Yeah, 0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.080 they were serious. They were serious like the girls they was. 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:37.200 They was wearing Jordan's yeah, and they went but they 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.960 weren't playing. They yeah, they weren't playing. 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.280 I was. I was. 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:49.640 I was they had to go to I was. 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.040 I was racing against bitches and threes and they wasn't. 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:53.040 They wasn't playing. 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.200 Yeah that. 0:33:59.000 --> 0:33:59.840 You just said. 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:12.560 To make you have the nice spikes too. I was 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:21.560 getting Yeah, I was getting dusted a little bit. Yeah, 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:25.360 but found I found my niche. I found my with music. 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.839 So I was like, you know, let me decide, let 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:29.919 me I can still like you know, I got little 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.839 handles and I can shoot, and you know I can 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:36.120 run from somebody who trying to get me. But you know, 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:38.600 I just decided to chill out on the sports a 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.800 little bit. But I played when I was in middle school, 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.440 and I, like I said, I probably would have took 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.480 it more seriously in high school had I not been 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.240 super involved in show choir. And it was like glee club. 0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:57.759 It was serious. Craig. It ain't Craig no more. It's 0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:58.720 just office buildings. 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:03.319 Okay, we played Craig. Mike and Mike and Greg went 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:04.680 to Craig. What was it? 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:05.440 What's your other. 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:06.560 School that fall Creek? 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.560 Ye? Yeah, I went to high school with Greg Olden. 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.960 I can specifically remember like walking through the hallways and 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.960 it was just like the students and Greg, you know, 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.520 he was just sticking out. Yeah, that was crazy. But yeah, 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.480 I went to middle school and high school Greg Olden. 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:26.640 I thought that was pretty cool. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.319 But how was those days that ling with them? There 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:30.440 was they like rock stars? 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:35.520 Yeah they were? Yeah, yep, they really were. Greg, Greg 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:36.640 and don't tell me. 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.280 I'm gonna tell you. I got a few minutes. 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.600 Mike Conley, Yeah I was. I almost had a brain 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.080 farre but yeah, Mike Conley. 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.160 Shout to my nigga, Brandon mc fish and that's my dog. 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:50.640 Yeah. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:51.680 I hated them. 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.839 They ended my season every single year old, don't ever 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.160 write Pike in Elan, like we wouldn't like Pike, ain't 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:58.480 them be there? 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:02.280 But we were still. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:09.520 But Isaiah, what what Isaiah? Isaiah my cousin that I 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.719 knew that my was my cousin. I said, this is 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.520 my cousin. I used to be telling people, Yeah, my 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:18.040 cousin plays in the NBA. So I was in LA 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.480 one day and I was chilling with my homies from Boston. 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.840 This is when Isaiah was playing for Boston, and I 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.600 was like, you know, that's my cousin. I never met him, 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.080 but I knew that I was my cousin. And they 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:31.440 was like, that's not your cousin. I was like, I 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.440 swear to God, that's my cousin. And so we were 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:36.480 just sitting around. We were drunk, and I was like, 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.960 I'm about to d m on. So I DMed on 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.760 when I was drunk, and I was like, Yo, what's up, Isaiah, 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.759 I'm your cousin. And I was like, I'm trying to 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.600 I'm trying to come to the game because they were 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:53.399 playing like LA or the Clippers. I can't Clippers, Yeah, 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.560 Lakers are Clippers. And I was like I can't remember. 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.719 I think it was Lakers. Yeah. Anyway, he responded to 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.879 me because he probably looking at me like, yo, that's 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.600 my cousin, my cousin, Like that's my cousin that sings 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.360 that song, or that's my cousin that's this R and 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.960 B singer or whatever. So I didn't think he was 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.080 gonna respond to me, but he did, and he gets 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.879 gotty tickets me and my friend tickets to the game, 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.440 and so we pulled up at the game. I was like, 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:19.680 I told you, that's my cousin. 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:21.279 And uh. 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.279 After the game, we hung out and I saw I 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.759 met him and his wife and his kids, and we 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.920 took photos and I was like, damn, like, because that's 0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.800 when I z I t he was he was balling 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:37.200 at in Boston. He was killing Yeah, he was balling, 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.920 and they were like, yeah he was. 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:51.440 He really Yeah, set them all home, killing them. 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.680 Yeah. You know what'swey about that? I hate you lost 0:37:54.719 --> 0:38:00.719 of that man. He definitely get forty. Yeah, he lost 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.160 because it hit you up. Her tickets not getting read. 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.839 My cousin hit me up. Good luck, he said, it's 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:08.160 a wrap. 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.000 I've been like, I got too many of the motherfuckers. 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:12.880 Yeah, twenty. 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:14.880 I didn't think. I didn't think he was gonna respond 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:16.000 to me, but but he did. 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.279 And I would have seen that teague and been like, 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:29.359 mhm h ship, who is your favorite basketball player? 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:29.799 Growing up? 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.160 Growing up? I liked Reggie Miller growing up. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.640 Guys, thank you, yep here, it's been a great guest. 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:44.120 I liked Reggie Miller. I liked Mark Jackson. I went 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:45.439 to Mark Jackson basketball camp. 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.000 She said, she got head. 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:55.080 Y'are throwing on Mark Jackson. 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:56.799 You're not gonna call him m J either. 0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.279 You're not gonna do that Jackson. 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:05.960 We're not gonna she said to any of that I did. 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.440 I went to the Mark Jackson basketball camp. But I 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.279 never forget because I had a tan and I was 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.080 real black, and this white boy asked me, It's like, 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:13.320 are you from Africa. 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:28.360 Basketball camp? It's crazy. I never forgot. 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:29.480 I never forgot that. 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:32.720 I never forgot, right, there is crazy. 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.919 Yeah, what's wrong with Briggie Miller? 0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:40.680 Though it's over, that's dead. Really Yeah, it's fine, that's 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:41.399 your favorite player. 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.440 That I didn't say that was my favorite player. I'm 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.600 just saying, like, that's when back in the day, when 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.600 I started playing basketball and I was like looking at 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.440 Larry Bird and these old schol niggas. I was hooping 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.040 in chucks and and messing my feet up. 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.040 You ain't that motherfucker yo. 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.399 I was watching what's the what's the movie Hoosiers? Uh? 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:04.320 And yeah? Yeah, I was watching like old school footage 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:05.680 and they was hooping and chucks. I was like, I 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.640 want a hoop and Chucks. I have some red Chucks 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.319 that I was hooping in. My feet was sucked up. 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:16.200 They was laughing at you. Somebody get the just tired. 0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:16.879 I'm so tight? 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:17.560 I did? 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:18.880 You know? 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:20.160 What was? 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:26.160 You know what y'all? When I put my shoes on today, 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:26.839 I left them. 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:28.640 I left them like this because. 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.200 I usually I usually be tying them up real tight. 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.239 I usually I'm about to go, I'm about to go. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:37.399 Yeah. 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.000 But I was like, I'm about to go chill with, 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:41.319 you know, some some hoop niggas, So let me leave 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.080 my ship loose. But I was go ti it up 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:43.520 real tight. 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.960 But I didn't if I were to see you with 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:47.040 chucks that Craig bro. 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.759 Yeah, I was hooping and chucks. No there was red. 0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.600 He's supposed to make you change your shoes. No coach 0:40:58.760 --> 0:40:59.760 was definitely a volunteer. 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.320 That was not It's cool. I was trying to I 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:04.399 was trying to be like them. 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:07.080 I've never seen movie. 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:11.200 You never seen Who's Yours? No, that was a good 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:16.600 movie movie. Yeah, that's it. You can't compare like that. 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.399 Who's This is like an indie you know, if you're 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:19.840 from indie. 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.279 Yeah, exactly, it's a documentary. I played in a Hickory game. 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:28.080 Did you had Hickory Jersey too? Yeah? They were awful 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.680 trash jersey. Some of the baddest worst jersey's ever been 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:31.920 part of. 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:38.160 Y racist for sure, they like it was definitely a 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:43.719 slave that but oh wow, dang, I got a question 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:45.880 for you, Like when you think of like classic artists, 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:48.680 like who haven't you worked with that you would love 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:49.040 to work with? 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.240 I know you worked with Mary J. She's my favorite. 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:55.560 Really, I worked with Mary J. That was pretty cool 0:41:55.680 --> 0:42:01.160 because I mean she just was like she seemed just 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.359 like Mary J people. 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:04.759 Yeah. 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.120 No, she was nice though, Like she wasn't like, oh 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.200 my god, but she was just like yo, what's up? 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:12.880 Like you know, she had her Jay zone. She was 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:14.799 she was cool. She seemed like how Mary J would 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:16.120 act like she was acting cool. 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.279 Yeah, only were boots, Like. 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:21.839 No, she she definitely had some JS on this day. 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:23.879 I was looking at I was examining her whole fit. 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.160 I was examining everything about Mary J. Because I was 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.680 just like damn, like I'm in the studio. Mary J said, 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:35.360 that's crazy. My manager was like, YO, said to me 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.880 and her Gabby is her name? When I say her, 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.200 my manager was like, yo. This was after we want 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:46.040 to Oscar. I think my manager was like, say that 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:47.400 like that, you don't. 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:49.719 Say what you want? 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.320 Well I had to say that because it was literally 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:53.800 right after the Oscars. 0:42:54.040 --> 0:43:02.000 She said it, like you want to you really participated, 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:03.000 though I didn't participate. 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:04.600 I do my ring like that, and we know what 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.120 for first the World the Oscar. 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:11.560 The Oscar was for Judas in The Black Messiah. I 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:12.880 don't know if you guys saw that movie, but we 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.879 wrote the end title movie of the end title song 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:21.759 for that movie. And so that was a crazy ass experience. 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:24.879 So yeah, then after that, people was just like yo. 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.600 Right after that, they was like Yo, can you come right? 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:32.520 Can you come do this? So my manager was like, Yo, 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:34.440 Mary wants you all to come write a song with her. 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.759 So we went in the studio Mary J showed up, 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:39.480 like I said, she had her Jason. I think they 0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:43.080 was black and gold. I'm not sure. I don't know. 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.160 She looked no, they were I'm not sure. Actually, dang, 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:48.399 I wish I remember it. She looked cute. I think 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:51.279 there were ones I could tell. Yeah, I think there 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.239 were ones. And I was like, day Mary, Mary got 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.440 on some jays and uh. Anyway, so we wrote a 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.800 song with Mary and that shit was crazy because just 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.960 like I grew up listening to my life and then 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.760 we're writing a song with her and she just talking 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:09.520 to us like regular. So that was cool. So yeah, 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:11.840 we were just in the studio writing good Morning Gorgeous 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:12.320 for Mary J. 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.840 Blush, that's a song that's fire. 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:19.040 How do you feel about movie score like doing movies 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.279 music different than like doing movies score stuff, cause I 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.840 feel like it looks like it's way more fun to 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.000 catch like a like a feeling of a whole most 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:27.480 of the picture and you just get to write around that. 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.160 It's like a doing a different way of a soundtrack. 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:35.960 Basically, Yeah, it is cool. We went we were already 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:39.880 working on hers album and we were they were like, yo, 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.360 can you write the song for Judas and The Black Messiah. 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:49.440 So we watched the movie in the studio and then 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:51.640 after we watched the movie because you know, you saw 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.360 Judas in The Black Messiah and we were mad. Afterwards, 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:55.360 we was like these. 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.640 More you feel like that basketball camp? 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.879 Then I did. It took me back to the basketball camp. 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.719 It took me back to my Jackson basketball camp. And 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.960 uh for the dude that called me African. They said 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:14.160 I was African and uh no, that ship was crazy. 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.200 That's like one of the most racist things somebody. 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:22.360 Yeah, the simple way that he said that was so impactful. 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.000 It's like, nigga, you out of Yeah. 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.080 And I knew I was looking extra doct around that time. 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:28.120 So the fact that you remember that for the rest 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:28.600 of your life. 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:28.960 I did. 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:29.560 I will. 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:31.560 Yeah. 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.759 But we watched the movie in the studio and we 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:39.759 were just like, Wow, I didn't even know about Fred 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.600 Hampton and you know, this whole Black Panther. I mean, 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.360 I knew about the Black Panthers, but I didn't know like, dang, 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:50.400 they really be like they really be killing niggas. And 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:51.520 when I say they, I. 0:45:51.560 --> 0:46:00.799 Mean facts and so Memphis, Yeah, so we we uh. 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.920 We're listening to a bunch of music from the seventies, 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:08.120 from that era, Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gay, just listening to 0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:13.000 different percussive elements and just grooves, and then we just 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:18.560 started writing a song fight for You, and we didn't 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.239 think anything about it, just like we never did after 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:22.920 we wrote a song. We weren't like, oh, this is 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.000 gonna win. This like we're gonna win, We're gonna get 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:27.680 nominated for this. We just wrote the song and we're 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:31.440 just like okay, and went on about the day, went 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.480 on about you know, and that's that joint got nominated. 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:39.560 Actually found out it was nominated for an Oscar while 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:40.719 I was at the Grammys. 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:46.600 Ah, now that's what happened. 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.480 That's what happened. We were on E News and I 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:56.279 think they were we had one song for Best Song 0:46:56.360 --> 0:47:00.160 of the Year at the Grammys, and that night they said, oh, 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.880 by the way, you guys are nominated for an Oscar. 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.400 And we were nominated for so many things like the 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.080 Golden Globe Awards, just like War Awards I never heard of, 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.560 just you know, because I'm not in the acting world. 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.239 So those awards, Golden Globes and Critics Choice and you 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:23.560 know those things. Yeah, but it was really crazy because 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:27.319 as a writer, as a singer songwriter, you don't really 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:30.520 get to be I mean, you're not really like linked 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:32.880 up with actors and stuff that much. So like at 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:38.200 the Oscars when you're seeing Harrison Ford and halle Berry 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:42.160 is like it's different than seeing Megan thee Stallion and 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.640 Drake and like you don't want to see her. You 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:50.400 don't want to see Meke? Why not, I'll Holley, You 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:51.440 rather see holle. 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.320 Berry, my friend. He loves Megan stuff. He said she 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:55.200 looked better than Beyonce. 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.520 I think Megan, her body is. 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.719 It ain't better be Let's let's stops not well. 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:05.120 I don't want to compare that. I think they both 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.200 have great bodies. I think they I think they have 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.480 great bodies. But I do I like, I mean, I 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:11.319 like the way it make looks. She's fired, she looks 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.360 and sod its Beyonce. Beyonce looks amazing too. I just 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.680 went to the Renaissance movie and she was looking better 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:18.279 than ever. 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:23.040 So did you the tour obviously? Yes? And the movie. 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.759 Yes, you're out of opening night, you're out of pocket, Yes, 0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:29.359 you're right. I didn't dress up. I went I went 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.680 in my in my night clothes, but I definitely went 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.320 in with a suit. I went I went in for 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:42.359 the Renaissance tour because Beyonce asked that of us. I mean, 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.640 you know, lord, I'm not I'm not about to be 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:48.480 I'm definitely a Beyonce fan. 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.759 That's I couldn't go to that tour. 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:55.080 Though I'm a Beyonce fan, I'm not like crazy about 0:48:55.280 --> 0:49:02.000 any celebrity, like like people maybe, but Beyonce. You definitely 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.239 got to recognize that she has a different kind of worth, 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:09.800 work ethic, and she's a generational type artist and so 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:14.359 I respect her. I respect her work ethic, and yeah, 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:15.919 she's she's really that bitch. 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:17.799 You're going to Disney Child tour? 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.200 They got a tour? No, absolutely, I feel. 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.600 Like this gonna be Kelly because we're waiting for the 0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:26.919 new It's gonna be beyon Kelly because I nobody. 0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:28.520 I thought you said r Kelly. I was like, what, 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:30.360 he's not gonna be. 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:36.360 Because Nellie tour Nellie tour. Yeah, we were going to Nelly. 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:37.880 Are they really having a tour? 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.600 We're speaking at her for us, we want to, but 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.080 jo U has a couple of long gotta be on 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:43.399 the tour. 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:48.160 No, Joe Rule, John Roul really set the tone. Okay 0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:50.520 for what for the singing? 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:53.160 Go ahead you talk. 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:57.200 Well, No, I'm not saying that. 0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:58.839 Make sure he set that tone. 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.640 I'm not saying that. I when I say that, I'm 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:05.200 I'm not saying that because Drake Drake, I really believe. 0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:07.759 And I don't know if like people think, because I 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:09.600 know people think like, oh, if you like Drake, that's like, 0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:13.759 you know, typical rapper. But Drake really is that guy? 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:17.480 Drake cole as a real question though, what all right? 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:19.960 I said something a while back and people kind of 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:25.160 gave me a lot. They said that I said that 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.440 Michael Jackson really couldn't sing that good. I just say 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.719 he was cool. What you think about Michael jackson voice? 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:32.680 You think it's like it's like that. 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:37.719 Or it's just like it's just okay, here's what I 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:41.520 want to hear. Here, Look, she's feeling me. She's feeling me. 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.320 Yeah, here's what I want to say. Here's what I 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:50.600 want to say, Jeff. I think Michael Jackson had a 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:55.480 stylistic type of singing. It was a certain style to 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.480 it where people weren't used to hearing people sing like 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:00.640 that and be able to do you know, so many 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:05.839 different inflections with their voice, you know, So I think 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:10.560 he is unique as far as like a singer, no, 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:13.800 I don't think. Yeah, I know, as far as like 0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:14.880 a singer, No, but. 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:21.600 That yeah, I said ABC one Tree was beautiful. 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:25.240 Yeah, I think Mike Mike has a he has a beautiful, 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:29.160 interesting voice. As far as like, do I think it 0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.920 like fits with like a Tevin Campbell or you know, 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:39.560 uh uh yeah, I mean a lot of R and 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.880 B singers that we have out these days. No, I 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:44.920 don't think it like Emparaisons's voice, but I think he 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:48.480 had a stylistic type of voice, maybe like Arihanna. 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:51.560 So was that out of pocket for saying like Drake? 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:53.239 Never mind? 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.200 No to say it, I said Drake, him and MIKEL. 0:51:56.239 --> 0:52:00.360 Jackson is like similar singing. They just both make good songs. 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:02.960 No, I don't think there's I don't think they're similar. 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:04.680 I think Drake has his pocket that he'd be in. 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:08.840 You know, Drake, Drake know his pocket and uh is it. 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:09.480 Out of pocket? 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:14.560 I appreciate I appreciate his pocket. On what was the 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.920 album that had a sticky on it? Not? It's like 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:18.799 two albums ago. 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:21.440 Jeff loves Hotel. 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:28.840 It's a good song. It's a good song, it's a 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:32.400 good it's a really good song. And you know what, 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:36.600 Drake out of out of I think Drake has the most. 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:49.239 Photo You don't like hot line Drake. 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.279 No, Drake really got them. Drake really know how to 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:56.160 make them joints. He got the singy, sinky joints like 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:57.080 take care. 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:00.600 Drake Crazy. 0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.640 Drake is really that guy. So even if he put 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:07.640 out an album that I'm like, I didn't really love that, 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:12.600 it's cool us. It's cool because he got so many albums. 0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:16.960 I think that's the only artist that has multiple albums 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.560 that you just like every song on there. Like Drake 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:22.719 has been putting out since two thousand and eight, two 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:23.319 thousand and nine. 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:26.200 A couple more artists who like who you think, Oh, 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:28.520 don't do that? Oh god? Five albums? 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.719 Okay, what do you think the best hole? 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:31.359 Oh? 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:36.080 Okay, Wayne Carter three, that's amazing. What's the best whole album? 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:36.640 Black? 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:37.480 Black albums? 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.920 I like American, I say black album. 0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.080 I love black. I understand why black album? Why would 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:43.800 we just count Blueprint? 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:47.000 Though? I love Blueprint, and nobody discount black album? 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:52.120 Just black just that moment it was the moment he 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:55.239 was done and agreed with that blackout time. 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:57.920 So what's your guys favorite rap album? 0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:05.600 Yeah it might be I think you trying to slide 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:08.520 the joke. Yeah, we got. 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:11.839 Who's your favorite rap album? 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.840 My favorite rap album? Damn till you put me on 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.000 the spot, I'll be for Dark Twister. 0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.880 Fantasy, you know what. 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:25.960 Okay, I respect it. I really respect that because I 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:27.439 think Kanye is my favorite rapper. 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:29.120 Took out. 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:34.000 Okay, I like that. I didn't appreciate it until a 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:38.960 little bit after the fact though, because also weights and 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:41.919 heartbreaks so amazing. Yeah, I didn't appreciate that. So after 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:44.680 the fact too, when you realize, like some stuff you 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:46.480 just gotta go back and listen to, like, Wow, this 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:47.880 just think really snut. 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.800 Yeah, we're probably in the same age, realm, and we 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.080 were coming into an our adult age when that came out. 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:54.960 We didn't know that could live outside there. But once 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:56.800 a little bit older, you started for a day. But 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:57.960 I see why that was like that. 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:01.480 Yeah, exactly, that was good. That was a good one. 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:05.319 About you some time here where you're at you at. Uh, 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.360 my favorite, I wouldn't say the best. My favorite is 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:12.480 Rick Cross First album came out with White House. 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:13.080 And uh. 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:16.800 That's on the song That's one This ship. 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.360 Porter Miami is my favorite, saying I'm not trying to 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:23.839 compare nobody, but my favorite that I can play all 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:25.440 the way through its Porter Miami for sure. 0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:29.640 With the album too, that's my favorite album's Dip said 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.040 more than music, Why you wanted to to. 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:36.520 Too? That's my favorite album. It ain't the best, it's 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:39.360 one of my favorites. I love the albums. Okay, what 0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:40.640 about you me? 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:51.200 I would have to say black album or I mean, 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:53.600 there's a there's a few different Drake albums that I 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:58.200 thought were really amazing where I can just picture times 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.960 in my life. I was like, Wow, that that was amazing. 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.839 I like, I like nothing once the same. I thought 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:09.799 Take Care was an amazing album. I thought So Far 0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:14.759 Gone for sure, it was an amazing album. I thought, 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.600 if you're reading this is too late, it's an amazing album. 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:23.360 There's so many, like really really dope Drake albums that 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:25.200 really had me in my feelings and I could like 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:28.000 go back to particular memories in my life that I 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:29.360 could relate to a Drake album. 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:33.600 So yeah, I'm really surprised you ain't say DS too 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:36.399 me too. I thought I'm more. 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.960 I'm more of a like future missed mixtape. D S 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:41.080 two is in my top five. 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:42.239 Yeah. 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:43.640 D S two is in my top five. 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:44.239 But I like. 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:49.080 Rapping, rapping. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take part in Miami. 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:51.600 Like Ross was talking that ship because I could, we 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:52.960 could have put g Z up there too. 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:57.880 Some motivation matter fact, motivation, motivation. 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.080 I was trying to say on the rim with y'all, 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:03.200 y'all be judging by ship, so I'm trying to. 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:06.120 Motivations. 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:06.919 Yeah. 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.400 So that's why you know it's. 0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:10.640 Different because if it wasn't that come out, I'm all 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:11.799 about to say Savage Life too. 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:15.439 It's different to life too? Is it's different tires the ship? 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.720 Okay, so one more question, I know the same, the 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.640 same my show on more question though. Okay, So if 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.240 there's a song, if a song came out today, right 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:31.120 and it had a j verse Jay Rick Ross, Wayne 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:33.640 two chains. 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:37.560 Drake, it's a longer song. 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:45.520 Drake, Drake and uh and Kanye. Who got the best song? 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:50.520 Who got the best verse on the song? Out of 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.320 Jay Wayne, It's probably gonna be Wayne. 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:54.560 I don't know. 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:56.640 They just did a song with Ross, Wayne and J 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:58.400 and J murdered him. 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:00.960 He had a longer time. Yeah, but it was just 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:04.600 it was you say, Jay, that's a cheat code. I'm 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:05.280 gonna go with Jay. 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:07.680 If everybody in the studio at the same time and 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:10.680 get the pen at the same time, I'm gonna go 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.600 with Wayne because niggas right rap and I don't want 0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:15.520 to deter it from the question. I'm just saying niggas 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:18.520 right there verse depending on the order when they get it. 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.360 So if I say Ross, I need you on this first. Yeah, 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:24.480 I sent it to JJ and like you thought you 0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:26.640 had one. Yeah, I'm about to fuck you up a 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.720 hand some ship. But nah, he's scrapping that. What I 0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:30.800 was a competitive sport. 0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:32.880 I was gonna say way until you said Rick Rosses 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:34.840 on the song. And I gotta go ja because anytime 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:38.240 Jay and Rick Rosses together, that nigga loses my Yeah, okay, 0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:42.240 Rick ross features are questions. 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:43.920 That is the same question though with. 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:46.880 Them, who I think got the best verse? 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:48.880 I love to change, but on that Yo. 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:51.640 The reason why the reason why I said two change though, 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.360 is because two changs. I feel like he got Yeah, 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.600 he do, for sure, he do. And when he get 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:58.880 on the If he get on the song with all 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.280 these rappers, all these legends, I feel like he's gonna 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:03.520 he's gonna come correct he like, you know, he's not 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:06.240 gonna bullsh it, So he definitely gonna have some bars 0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.400 on there that make you be like, whoa Like that's 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:13.000 what I care about love music. Yeah, yeah, to change 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:14.640 like I feel like to change like he a little 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:15.200 bit slept on. 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:18.160 Because he is, but he just that's what I'm saying. 0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:20.240 That's why when y'all was asking my favorite, I was 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.880 trying to go off, y'all rim but he ain't up 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:25.360 there when you say, and it's no disrespect to him, 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:27.000 it's just different levels. 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.200 I feel it. I feel it because Jay is the 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.200 storyteller and the poet. Yeah, I get it. 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:36.120 I'm surprised you didn't put cold in that, Cole. 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:39.120 Okay, you could replace cold. 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:42.640 With two change Okay, So even with cold, with cold 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:45.600 in there and in place of two chains, y'all y'all 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:50.760 gonna say cold, you look like hole. Actually, now that 0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:54.640 I'm one, did. 0:59:54.600 --> 1:00:05.000 Anybody ever tell you that? Did anyone ever tell you that? 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:13.600 Oh, Cole from the Fifth Flow Cole was the dark 1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:14.000 skin one? 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:18.000 Yeah, that Nigga had to have big Charlie. 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:23.320 Cole, he'll go crazy on that. 1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:24.880 Cold would go crazy. 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:28.600 But I think Kendrick could go crazy. No, not now. 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:31.120 If it was twenty fifteen, I feel differently now. 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:35.880 No, definitely that was a yeah he don't right now 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:38.280 he might. But I think on a verse, on a 1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:42.120 verse with all those guys, I think I think Kanye 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:44.280 is gonna try to show out though too. Like I 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:47.200 felt like Kanye would be my favorite verse even if 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:50.760 it wasn't like the best. I think Kanye gonna say 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.840 like the most out of pocket ship that like whoa 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.560 like how you? How do you think to say that? 1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:01.080 Because that's what he do sigh. But yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:05.960 I kill all them if he got on there. But yeah, 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:09.360 it's going to be version right. Yeah, what new music 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:10.160 you got coming out? 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:10.360 Man? 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:12.480 I heard you getting ready to get back into it. 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:17.160 Yeah, I'm excited. I just put out a single it's 1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:23.080 called Hit You Right Back featuring Tonstis, So I'm excited 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:25.880 about that joint. I'm probably gonna put out a couple 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:27.240 actually remixes to that. 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:28.720 Are you toxic? 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:30.080 Toxic? 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:35.960 Yeah to an extent, Yes, he toxic too. 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:37.840 Yeah, I'm not going to be up here and be like, 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:41.000 I'm not toxic, like I'm I'm probably like a level. 1:01:42.360 --> 1:01:43.200 I love levels. 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:48.240 This is I don't know it really just I'm definitely 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:53.000 not a ten like i've met tins eight point five. 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:55.919 Huh eight point five. No, I'm not an eight point five. 1:01:56.000 --> 1:02:01.000 I think I think I'm like a just bull six. 1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:08.000 I have self awareness. I have self awareness, but sometimes 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:13.320 I choose the toxicity because it'd be more like fun 1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:15.080 a little bit and also. 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:17.200 Like to. 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:18.960 Danger. 1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:20.520 You like me, Do you spend the block? 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:28.800 Do I spend the block like on exes? Well, listen, listen, 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:38.200 this is this is I've never spun the block on 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:40.920 an X that I like, I didn't talk to for 1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:44.600 months at a time. I've spun you know, I'd be 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:48.600 having a little like I have like my like off 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.760 and on situation, but you know we still be like 1:02:52.800 --> 1:02:55.280 talking the whole way through. So that don't really count 1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:56.240 because you. 1:02:56.280 --> 1:02:57.840 Know it counts. 1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:00.000 I don't spend the block like I'm not about to 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.080 go date somebody that I used to date like back 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:03.840 in the day. No, I don't do that. There's too 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:05.400 many people out here in the world for that. 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:08.440 All right, So you something that you might' you know 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:11.880 what I mean, you did, you might hit her or 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:14.439 or whatever back like what you're doing. 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:18.480 No, you'll just never hear from me ever again. I 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:23.320 think that's that is dark, but you know that's what happens. 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:25.160 Is like I don't like to be like I don't 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:28.320 like to be like disrespected or fucked with, and so 1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:31.560 I feel like that be my that'd be my thing like. 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:36.680 Forever, you know, like a cool breakup. So you shut 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:41.440 the door on a cool breakup like you just you 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:43.280 ain't never had like a cool break like I just 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:44.240 didn't work out for us. 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:46.880 I think it's so cool when people do that. It 1:03:46.960 --> 1:03:48.880 seems so mature, like oh yeah, we just. 1:03:55.400 --> 1:03:56.480 Yeah it does. 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:59.200 But like no, I'll be like you go to hell. 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:01.560 Toxic. 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:06.560 Yeah. But I also haven't had a ton of relationships. 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:09.160 I haven't really had that many relationships Like I've had, 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:12.000 you know, dealt with people. But as far as like 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:16.560 real relationships, I've only had like and really I only count, 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:19.440 like college don't even count. So really only had one 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:21.560 real relationship after college. 1:04:22.600 --> 1:04:23.360 Able scale. 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:26.320 Do I prefer to be single and just moving around? 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:27.680 No? 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:30.920 I like love and I like to be like with 1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:34.800 one person I like love, you know, but it's just 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:40.600 like it's interesting, like just dealing with somebody else because 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:46.040 somebody else has a whole different experience. People behave based 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:51.000 off of their perception is how they grew up, how 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:54.000 they've experienced the world, and so I just think it's 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:58.720 so interesting to like then try to conjoin lives with 1:04:58.880 --> 1:05:01.120 somebody like that, because is I don't know, it's just 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:02.200 it's a little bit weird. 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:06.439 But I got a question, what you got a type? 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:08.000 Do I have a type? 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:08.240 Mm? 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:08.480 Hmm? 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:12.200 She like me, my type is. 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:15.240 You ain't at all? 1:05:18.880 --> 1:05:19.600 No, I'm asking her. 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:22.200 I'll get on your his next polls, but go ahead, 1:05:22.320 --> 1:05:23.760 like what if you got a type or no? 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:29.480 My type is? You know what's interesting? 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:30.880 Hmm? 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:31.960 I like what she did that. 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:32.560 Yeah. 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:36.040 I think as you get older, because it used to 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:38.200 be like your type, you know, they had to be cute, 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:40.840 nice body, blah blah blah, and then you get older 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:45.280 and you be like, I need you to have self awareness. 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:47.880 I need you to have emotional intelligence, I need you 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:53.600 to have money. Yeah, Like I like that type awareness, Yes, 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:57.520 a self awareness obviously, I want to be attracted to 1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:04.120 you respectful to an extent. 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:06.080 So what if a motherfucker had all there, but there 1:06:06.200 --> 1:06:10.800 was a booger. What is a booger ugly who you're 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:18.040 not attracted to physically they vibe though they vib be ugly, 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:19.840 don't that's dangerous? 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:24.280 Hecks? Ah, Oh, she's. 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:31.280 No, no, because you know what, because you know what, 1:06:31.400 --> 1:06:32.960 in the long term, like you feel like you do 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:38.320 have to be attracted to someone actual, and that matters 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:41.080 to me. It matters to me to be attracted to someone. 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:43.360 But like I said, it also matters, like for you 1:06:43.480 --> 1:06:47.200 to have some emotional intelligence and self awarenes It's like, 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:50.080 you can't just be cute like it's that's not cutting 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:50.520 it no more. 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:51.560 Yeah we're too old. 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:54.080 Yeah, you can't just be cute like you gotta have 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:56.920 be cute with some money or cute with some emotional 1:06:57.040 --> 1:07:01.120 intelligence or preferably like the emotional intelligent and respect part. 1:07:01.480 --> 1:07:05.120 And then if you're cute along with that, I love that. 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:10.840 But if you just booger like ugly. I just watched 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:12.520 a TikTok the other day of this lady trying to 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:16.120 convince people that it's okay if they ugly because they 1:07:16.600 --> 1:07:18.760 this this this, But I just I don't believe in 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:20.680 that because I really need to be attracted to you, 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:28.080 because I like, you know, intimate things, and I just. 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:32.960 Like you know, you can't get intimated ugly. I mean, 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:34.840 you got a couple of boogers on you, on you, 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:35.640 on your jacket. 1:07:35.760 --> 1:07:37.760 Have you been intimate? Well all, I feel like all 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:47.080 guys get intimate with people. That that's facts, Like, that's 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:51.240 facts about a couple. Yeah, exactly, like guys, can you 1:07:51.320 --> 1:07:51.840 guys can. 1:07:51.800 --> 1:07:52.080 Do that. 1:07:54.840 --> 1:07:55.160 A couple. 1:07:55.360 --> 1:07:56.840 Man, I ain't got no bogging I can. 1:07:57.080 --> 1:07:59.160 I can say that I've never, like, I don't think 1:07:59.160 --> 1:08:01.320 I've ever messed with somebody that I was not like, 1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:03.200 sexually attracted to. 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:05.840 No lineage. 1:08:05.960 --> 1:08:09.320 I can't you know, buddy over there, Yeah, never he 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:13.760 threw some ship off the backboard legs nervous urse three sixty. 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:18.400 Any woman I've ever been intimate with he attracted to him. 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:21.200 Okay, what about you. 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:28.720 Tell me a little something? No cat play to win 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:30.320 the game? Yeah, niggas kill me. 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:31.799 Niggas don't hit all ts. 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:36.200 Any niggas say you hitting up, You're Yeah, we don't 1:08:36.240 --> 1:08:38.760 know what T doing. But I told you you got 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:40.160 to do is go to the first being. 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:43.840 I'm joking. I'm joking. Don't do that. 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:47.280 No, I'm very picky for sure. 1:08:48.479 --> 1:08:51.680 The most important thing that you look for into when 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:55.080 you're dealing with somebody, though, what's number one like on that. 1:08:56.840 --> 1:09:01.559 You remember when twenty one Savage said, and that's crazy, 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:03.080 I'm doing twenty one Savage quote. 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:06.400 You remember his voice, right. 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:07.800 Because he's britt to. 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:09.360 You. 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:12.519 Remember when he said he rather respect than love. Yeah, 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:18.000 I realized that, Like I think, just like, what's attractive 1:09:18.160 --> 1:09:22.680 is someone who's like very that someone who respects you. 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:26.479 I'm not talking about like respectful, because anybody can be 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:28.679 respectful like when they want to be. But I'm talking 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:32.840 about someone who actually respects you as a person. I 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:40.240 think that's attractive. And I also think that, like I said, 1:09:40.280 --> 1:09:43.960 I think self awareness is attractive. And I think when 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:49.000 you're self aware and you have your own money, I like. 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:53.360 How you keep throwing that money out there like me broke. 1:09:54.000 --> 1:09:58.800 You know, I'm just saying yeah, like every voice yeah, 1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:01.960 because yeah, I mean you gotta have you know, you 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:02.800 gotta have something going on. 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:05.120 I got a question before we get out of here. 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:07.960 Have you ever wrote any dis songs or any songs 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:10.240 about somebody in the past that ended up being like 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:12.320 a crazy song for you, with like a really. 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:12.760 Big song for you. 1:10:17.640 --> 1:10:21.920 I'm trying to think. I think I always draw from 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:28.479 my personal life when I write with people, So this 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:33.400 songs that got really big. No, I don't think so. 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:35.840 I think I just write for my personal experiences. I 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:39.360 think my songs usually come from like, I don't know 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:41.280 my song be sounding kind of toxic. A little bit 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:43.680 I realized I figured it out. 1:10:44.000 --> 1:10:48.840 Yeah, right back, Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:51.200 Seven and a half is that's how i'd say six. 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:55.040 I would say six, uh, smooth six and a half, 1:10:56.120 --> 1:10:56.840 movable six. 1:10:58.000 --> 1:10:58.679 That's for the camera. 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:03.160 But so sometimes it's sometimes I'm very a three, very 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:05.439 much a three in I'm not dealing with this toxic 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:09.120 you know women, women be like, I'm not dealing with 1:11:09.200 --> 1:11:15.479 this toxic ship, but they be toxic. Why they're saying it? Yeah, 1:11:16.040 --> 1:11:18.560 you know, you know the lacking accountability phase. I'd be 1:11:18.680 --> 1:11:22.440 guilty of that something on the lack of accountability. 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:31.360 Listen, I will say any of those things. He said 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:32.040 that that's the camera. 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:34.400 Listen. Some people will call me a pig miesha for this, 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:39.240 but I do think that there's like a reasoning for that, 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:42.880 Like why why women sometimes may lack accountability because like 1:11:43.479 --> 1:11:46.640 the way society treats you as a woman versus a man, Like, 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:49.920 you know, something happens to you when you're a little girl, 1:11:50.040 --> 1:11:52.599 you fall, and it's oh, who pushed you? Who did 1:11:52.680 --> 1:11:53.639 that to you? Who? 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:54.200 You know? 1:11:54.520 --> 1:11:56.720 Like that kind of stuff is like training you to 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:02.599 kind of take a like a victim mentality a little bit. 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:06.000 And I think when it's female energy and male energy, 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:12.080 the female energy tends to like, you know, when a 1:12:12.160 --> 1:12:17.400 female cries, it's like she automatically becomes the victim. I 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:23.519 think I think listen, listen, guys, I'm not a pig Mesia. 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:26.360 I'm not a pig misia, but I'm just honest. And 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:31.040 I just feel like sometimes women, uh, they may lack 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:37.080 lack accountability because they have this softer, more vulnerable side 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:40.479 up against a man, and so it's easier to not 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:48.840 take accountability for whatever part you contributed to the problem. 1:12:50.080 --> 1:12:50.400 Just made his. 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:57.320 I'm not gonna fist bump you because because I don't 1:12:57.320 --> 1:12:59.800 want to seem like I'm on the side, like listen, 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:02.200 but I know, I think men be full of shit too. 1:13:02.320 --> 1:13:05.240 I think man be full of ship with the podcast. 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:08.280 Yeah, no, I didn't say there. I think men be 1:13:08.360 --> 1:13:10.600 full of I think that's like the disconnect between men 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:13.000 and women. I just feel like, you know, women can't 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:15.920 always take the victim rolling. Oh you did this, you 1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:19.000 did this to me, and like you're the like, you know, stronger, 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:24.519 more dominant person, so therefore this you know sometimes yeah, 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:30.960 yeah exactly. I think, yes, exactly, we acknowledge that bullshit exactly, 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:34.720 But sometimes I think it's harder for women to you know, 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:38.240 I'm accountable though. 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:41.240 I respect I respect it. 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:42.840 Toxic and accountable. 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:46.959 Yeah, toxic and accountable. 1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:49.040 You got to write this song toxic but accountable. 1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:50.479 Yeah, that's the hit right there. 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:51.360 Actually like that. 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:55.320 You feature in Summer Walker, Oh. 1:13:56.760 --> 1:14:02.120 So vibe you got you got it and little Me 1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:06.360 showing his James coming out of that being said, and 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:07.960 on that note, we're gonna get the fuck up out 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:10.479 of here. T T appreciate your sliding on this. Check 1:14:10.560 --> 1:14:13.200 out music now right back. 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:15.920 Shout out to club File twenty shouts of the volume. 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:17.519 We'll be back next week for sure,