Instant Reaction: Supreme Court Backs Full Access to Abortion Pill

Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. We have some breaking 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:08.399 news for you here. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.720 The Supreme Court is upholding full access to mif a 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:17.079 pristone abortion pill. So this ruling came as the FDA 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.640 had imposed restrictions on the pill that the agency found 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:25.360 were unnecessary, and a court considered a Biden administration appeal 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.520 of that ruling. And the requirements were things like making 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.519 in person visits to their doctor in order to obtain 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.520 this pill. And it looks like the FDA won this case, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.800 Supreme Court upholding full access to mif a pristone abortion pill. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.600 The issue really was about did the FDA overdo it? 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.919 Did they expand when they shouldn't have. We are going 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.920 to be talking about that much more. June Grasso is 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:56.639 in studio joining us. No, you're ready, You're good, You're good, great, okay, great, Hi, 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.000 thanks for joining you ran here. We appreciate you. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.440 Yes, thank you. Okay, So walk us through the importance. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.840 Well, obviously, the importance is that MEPhI pristone is the 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.280 abortion drug that is most used excuse me, in this country, 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:15.240 So putting restrictions on it would mean problems for a lot. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.320 Of women in this country. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.200 In this case, what the Supreme Court did, and this 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.800 is not a surprise decision actually, because after the oral 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:27.000 arguments in the case, it was pretty much telegraphed by 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.759 the justices that they were going to go off. They're 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.520 not talking about MIFHA pristone, they're not talking about abortion. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:37.120 What they're talking about is standing, which is a procedural thing, really, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.720 and it's a way sometimes for them to get out 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.920 of cases, out of deciding the merits of the case 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.720 by looking at the procedural elements. 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.480 So here they said that the doctors who. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.640 Challenged it and the groups who challenged it didn't have 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.560 standing because they weren't hurt in any way. One way 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.040 they put it is like, you know, have a dog 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.600 in the fight. So the doctors, they were trying to 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.880 show that they had some injury. What was their injury 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.560 that it was very speculative, you know, if someone came 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.400 into an emergency room and needed an abortion, and it 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.040 just was ridiculous. So at that point the justices all 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.560 seemed to agree that they didn't have standing. So it's 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.800 an off ramp. They haven't decided anything really about abortion. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.520 Okay, but this, for all intents, this settles The issue 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.920 as it relates to this particular drug, is that the 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.000 case is that where we are right now. I guess. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.760 I'm not sure because I think we'll see challenges to 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.359 all kinds of abortion, you know, abortion pills and everything else, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.480 you know, because the lobby is so strong against it. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.639 So I'm not sure this ends it. This ends this 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.320 particular challenge, but I don't know that it ends any 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:50.120 challenge to mif for pristone. You know, they still have 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.200 the base. They still have the base challenge, which is 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:58.079 that the FDA didn't have the authority to put the 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.280 for pristone on the market the way that it had 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.040 through the you know, to get it through the mail 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.600 and things. So I mean, I'm not sure they may 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:09.239 be able to find a different group that has standing 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.400 and you know, reassert the challenge, but you know, I'm trying. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.400 I don't know what group they would find. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.120 So if I just sort of break this down in 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.760 Layman's terms, So the Biden administration made this drug more 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:24.600 widely available, then the doctor said. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.120 We don't want this, we want more restrictions. Is that 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:32.240 what this is one doctor through like one doctor's group. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:37.800 A doctor's group that is anti abortion, a conservative Christian 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.680 doctor's group said challenged it, and I mean the way 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.720 these things work is, you know, there are conservative organizations 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.040 and conservative legal groups that go out and look for 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.120 plaintiffs to find when they want to sue on something. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.400 So this group in particular sued in this case. Some 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.680 states tried to intervene and the Supreme Court didn't allow that. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.120 So you know, states may be able to come forward 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.320 and say this, this hurts are What they say is 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.840 that this hurts our bottom line because we don't get 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.600 to have, you know, different healthcare choices. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.000 I mean, there are all different ways. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.760 Because in the lower court ordered the FDA to impose 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.839 restrictions on the pill that the agency was like, look, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.120 this is not necessary and these are things like you 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.000 have to make an in person visit to your doctor 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:23.680 before you. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:24.279 Get the pill. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.760 That is what is no longer there, right Like, that 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.960 is what the Supreme Court ruled and said, nope, you 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.479 can have this free access. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.480 Right now, I haven't read the case. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:32.880 I don't know if they sent this back to the 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.200 Fifth Circuit or not, so I don't have the case 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.320 in front of me. I'm sort of working in the 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:37.960 dark here. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.279 I don't know if there's darkness better than us. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.800 Yeah, good. But I don't know if they send it 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.159 back to the Fifth Circuit for more findings, because this 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.480 came up from a Texas judge and the Texas judge 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.599 had even more restrictions on it, and it went to 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.360 the Fifth Circuit, they dial back some of the restrictions, 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.920 and then it went to the Supreme Court. So when 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.479 I get my hands on the opinion, I may be 0:04:58.560 --> 0:04:59.640 able to tell you more. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:05.600 Now, does this affect individuals? How does this affect individual states? 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.919 And women in those states that no longer have access 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:09.880 to MEPhI princetone. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:16.680 So you know it should individual states can do different things. Okay, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.120 so individual states are looking for a lot of different 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:25.600 ways to penalize women who leave the state for abortions. So, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.440 but with MYFI pristone, because it comes through the mail, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.000 it's much easier. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:30.480 For women to get. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:35.560 And in fact, some organizations have been stockpiling MIFA pristone 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.000 just in case anything happened with the Supreme Court. So 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.839 what they'll be able to do, I mean, I think 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:46.040 what this says is for right now, there's full access 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:50.440 to MIFA pristone. I mean, the states have been ingenious 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.120 in coming up with ways to try to stop abortion. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.960 I mean you've seen the different ways that they've tried, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.560 not only you know, to the point where women can't 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.200 even get emergency medical care if they need an abortion. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.280 And that case is coming up, by the way, that 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.440 Idaho case is coming up. Whether or not if a 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.800 woman is not in fear of her life is not 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.200 on the line, but perhaps some other things are on 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.239 the line, perhaps her organs are in jeopardy or something 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.080 like that, whether they have to give her an abortion 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.720 if that's what is necessary, And that's coming up. That's 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.840 an Idaho case that was heard late in the term. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.279 So there are ingenious ways to try to stop abortion. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.760 And I don't know for sure, but in. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.880 Reality, can can women in all fifty states get this 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:35.919 via the mail? 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:36.839 Yeah? 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.080 Yeah, So I mean there's no and I'm not sure 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.240 how is there practical ways you stop that. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.000 Well, there's an act that hasn't been there's an act 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.080 that hasn't been the Comstock Act that hasn't been used 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.440 for I don't know how long, and that some conservatives 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:56.080 say that maybe the next avenue that you shouldn't send 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.120 certain things through the mail, so that could be another 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.039 way to attack it. As I said, I mean, I 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.719 don't want this to be the end of the attacks, right, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.839 just think that it's just been shown that there's so 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.400 many ingenious ways to I mean, this is the law 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.560 you know you have we do you have one argument 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.240 and it turns out there are ten arguments. So but 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.280 this one. You know why it was easy for the 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.520 Supreme Court I'll say easy in quotes, because they found 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.320 an easy way to get out of it. They just said, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.840 and they do this a lot, right, people will say standing, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:29.600 what's standing? 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:30.360 Standing? 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.080 I had a professor that once said, you know, the 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.400 ingeniousness of lawyers is that you can always find a 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.000 way to turn it into a procedural argument. And that's 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.600 what they do. And in this case, it was pretty 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.600 easy because you didn't see any injury to doctors. What 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:45.360 injury do they have? 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.760 So you mentioned the Idaho case that's Moyle versus the 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:53.160 US right and that issue. It seems like, does the 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.560 federal law permit er doctors to perform abortions to preserve 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:02.640 a woman's health even if stays outlawed that procedure? So 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.880 this is to your point of like, can they save 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.080 the woman or can they help the woman even if 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.280 the state outlaws abortion altogether. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.600 So Idaho has a law that allows abortions if the 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.520 woman's life is in jeopardy. The Biden administration came in 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:23.480 and said no, because you're taking money from the federal government, right, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.320 we have the right to tell you that you have 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.120 to also treat women who come to an emergency room. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:32.960 And it's not that their life is in jeopardy, but 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.280 something else is in jeopardy. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.880 Their organs are in jeopardy. I mean different kinds of things. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.360 Right, I'm not a doctor, so I thank god I'm 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:41.959 not a doctor, so I don't know what, but different 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.120 kinds of things. And you have to treat that woman 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.560 and give her an abortion, even if her life isn't 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:51.400 in jeopardy. So that's the issue, and that case. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:52.360 I mean, there was a little more. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.200 I couldn't tell you how that case is going to 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.400 come out because it wasn't as clear some of these cases. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.040 You know, we say, oh, we don't know what they're 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.240 going to decide, but it's pretty clear what the going 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.520 to decide. I don't know about the Idaho case how 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:03.319 that's going to come down. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.520 So this particular ruling here is is it feels, just 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.880 reading on some of the initial reporting, that it's kind 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.320 of a technical lawyer type thing. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.200 Yeap procede, That's what I said. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.040 So, I mean it sounds like, as you mentioned earlier, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.720 that they can various scripts, can come back and approach 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.520 this issue from other angles. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.839 Perhaps, as I said, it's ingenious the number of ways. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.160 I mean, it's sort of like if you remember affirmative action, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.640 and for many, many years affirmative action, it kept on 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.160 getting you know, the protests to it or the challenges 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.160 to it kept on getting rejected. And then there was 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:41.000 this man who has who has students for fair admissions, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.680 and he kept fighting and fighting and fighting and waited 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.280 until the Supreme Court turned more conservative, and then all 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.800 of a sudden, the Supreme Courts you know, reversed itself 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.600 and said, no, you know, we can't have affirmative actions. 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:52.600 So I mean, that's what I mean. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.240 They have very well funded groups that are fighting abortion 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:01.480 on every level, so I don't, you know, rule out 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.760 the fact that there'll be other challenges to it. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:04.280 All. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.720 Right, Hey, June, thank you so much. She literally booked 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.080 in here. We really appreciate that. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.160 Thank you. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.000 No, sorry, thank you, Yeah. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.880 Thank you so much. Jin Gretso Bloomberg joining us there. 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.920 We all want to go to Madelein Meckelberg. She's a 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.840 Bloomberg legal reporter. She also joins us on this news 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.160 And remember, let's just recap here for a moment. The 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:30.520 Supreme Court has ruled that there will be full access 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.760 to mif A pristone abortion pill. Madeline, can you walk 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.959 us through how this case unfolded? 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.960 Hi, thanks for having me on to talk about this case. So, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.439 the Supreme Court this morning they overturned a decision from 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.800 a federal appeals court that would have prevented mail order 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.000 prescriptions for MIFA pristone. And this is the case that 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:52.120 started in Texas. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:52.600 It was a. 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.360 Conservative group they challenged access to the abortion pill, and 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.360 we're seeking to have the original FDA approved of the 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.559 pill rolled back. As the case moved through the courts, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.400 the Federal Appeals Court in New Orleans, that's the Fifth Circuit, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.720 they basically said they can't go back enough in time 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.160 and undo the original FDA approval, but what they can 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.000 do is turn back some of the more recent decisions 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.640 which would have allowed the pill to be sent through 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.440 the mail and used in a wider number of abortions. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.240 What the Supreme Court did today was say full access 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.319 has to be preserved. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.120 So is this the final word for myth of pristone 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.160 and its availability in this country or is it still 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.080 perhaps at risk of some regulation. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.559 So I think we're still going to see some action 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.559 on this. This case was on kind of a preliminary 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.440 basis at this point, I think we could see it 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.679 come back up again. And what the Supreme Court did 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.679 today was not rule on the merits of the FDA's 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.120 decision to approve myth of pristone. They blocked this lawsuit 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.040 on standing. So they basically said that the individuals that 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.040 brought the challenge they didn't actually have the right to 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:07.160 sue because they couldn't demonstrate that the FDA's actions harmed 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.439 them directly because federal law protects doctors from providing abortions 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.199 if they have moral objections. So they said these people 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.679 can't sue. But that does mean that there may be 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.959 is a pathway for others to bring a lawsuit if 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.360 they wanted to challenge the same thing. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.080 When does the Supreme Court term end? And what are 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.559 some other big ones that our audience for Boomberg Intelligence 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:28.600 Radio will be interested in. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.320 That's a great question. I know that we're waiting for 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.440 at least one other abortion decision as it relates to 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.640 emergency room access in Idaho. There are a couple of 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.640 big Trump cases on the docket, so we've got a 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.000 couple of weeks left where we're going to expect to 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.200 see some decisions, and we'll be keeping an eye. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.280 Out, Madlin. How unexpected was this ruling given the makeup 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:51.760 of the court today. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.560 I think it's definitely if you're looking just at the makeup, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.040 this is a surprising decision given what we know about 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.199 this court that is the same one that overturned Roe v. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:01.800 Wade. 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.480 But when there was a hearing on this case in March, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.199 we definitely got a sense from justices that they were 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.240 skeptical about the standing issue that was raised in this lawsuit. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.240 So while broadly speaking, this is kind of surprising for 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.400 this court based on this case specifically and what we 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.200 heard from justices previously, it's in line. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.920 We were talking to June about the other abortion case 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.240 that's coming to the fore as well, Moile versus the US, 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.280 and that really centers around Idaho's abortion van considering whether 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.680 a federal law that requires hospitals to provide stabilizing emergency 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.760 care Trump's any abortion restrictions. Does this give us any 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.040 roadmap for that case. 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.040 It's hard to say. There are really different questions. I 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.040 think that what we know is that the Court is 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.440 considering any abortion question that comes before it pretty carefully. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.320 In light of this road decision that sought to return 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.040 things to the state. These are two examples where we're 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.760 seeing them having to deal with the consequences of that 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.679 decision and them weighing in on these regulations. They're kind 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.319 of different issues, but I think that we can expect 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.200 to see maybe some nuanced perspectives from the court on this. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.760 All right, madam, thank you so much. We appreciate that. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:13.720 Madelin Meckelburgh, legal reporter for Bloomberg News. She's based in Austin, Texas, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:15.000 and it's just you know, when you get a piece 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.640 of news like this coming across it maybe is not 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.280 in our typical remit. We have some experts literally around 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.720 the corner in June Grass, so literally a phone call 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.640 away in Madeleine Meckelburg to help us understand what which. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:27.440 We very much appreciate. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.840 Which we very much appreciate, makes it sound a lot smarter.