How Ricky Johnson F*cks AND Films Better Than You

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. My guest
<v Speaker 2>today has been a legend since his very first year
<v Speaker 2>in the industry, when he won Best Newcomer Award at
<v Speaker 2>abn XRCO and the Urban X Awards. Since then, he's
<v Speaker 2>won dozens more awards and taken his passion even further
<v Speaker 2>by creating his own production company, Ricky's Room. I'm so
<v Speaker 2>excited to have him back because this is his second
<v Speaker 2>time on the show.
<v Speaker 3>We are welcoming, of course, the one and only Ricky Johnson. Hello, Hello,
<v Speaker 3>thank you for having me.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, I'm excited to have you back on better
<v Speaker 2>cameras because you were on before we had like the
<v Speaker 2>one camera that like zoomed in and like the footage
<v Speaker 2>and looks so good, and now we can see you
<v Speaker 2>in like full high death.
<v Speaker 3>It's been six years, right, it's a long time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy because I think I started this podcast
<v Speaker 2>like seven years ago. Oh, I think it'll be eight
<v Speaker 2>years in August.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, let's go almost a decade. A god shit, I'm
<v Speaker 4>by congrats because like I think the average person doesn't
<v Speaker 4>hit ten because they say, if you hit ten podcasts
<v Speaker 4>and it's like, okay, you have a podcast. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 4>know a lot of people that are eight that, like
<v Speaker 4>I was like, yeah, this isn't it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I am almost at four hundred episodes. You're
<v Speaker 2>like three hundred and ninety six or seven or something
<v Speaker 2>like that.
<v Speaker 3>Let's go. I know that's dope. I know it's crazy.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't think I would ever get here.
<v Speaker 4>Big congrats, thanks hey, because that says something in itself
<v Speaker 4>of being able to get that far, you know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>so yeah, good shit, Yeah, thank you.
<v Speaker 3>Take a time. Let's take time. Can we can we
<v Speaker 3>get a little like more?
<v Speaker 4>Thank you?
<v Speaker 3>Thank you?
<v Speaker 4>Yay?
<v Speaker 3>I love this. Let's talk this when the entire episode
<v Speaker 3>talking about me, my aments and what I've done?
<v Speaker 2>What else do you want to ask me about myself
<v Speaker 2>and why why I'm so successful?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 4>I got to see when did you start? What was
<v Speaker 4>your first first podcast?
<v Speaker 2>My first podcast was, Oh my god, how could I forget?
<v Speaker 3>I'm moms? On your first episode my.
<v Speaker 2>Mom and my Dad? Which is why I like I
<v Speaker 2>love it so much, because you know, my dad's dead.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so yeah, it's sentimental. I'm like looking at the friend.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really cool to like go back and watch
<v Speaker 2>it because yeah, I mean talking is so great too,
<v Speaker 2>because it's like talking about kind of brings the whole
<v Speaker 2>thing three sixty, right, like their beginnings in the industry
<v Speaker 2>and you know how things were and we look at
<v Speaker 2>how things are now and really gives you kind of
<v Speaker 2>this great scope of you know, how the industry has
<v Speaker 2>changed so much yet also like stayed the same in a.
<v Speaker 3>Lot of ways.
<v Speaker 4>It's a little bit of a core same, but yeah,
<v Speaker 4>certain things is always Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean what's so interesting is, like I'm just going
<v Speaker 2>to go on a little tangent right now, is you
<v Speaker 2>know my parents went through the Tracy Lord scandal, which
<v Speaker 2>was like a huge thing back in the day.
<v Speaker 3>Do you know anything about it?
<v Speaker 2>She was sixteen I think she was fifteen actually when
<v Speaker 2>she I know, and then of course she was using
<v Speaker 2>a fake ID and so nobody knew and then they
<v Speaker 2>found out and it was this huge scandal. And she's
<v Speaker 2>actually responsible for the reason why we're so much more
<v Speaker 2>stringent about IDs now, Yeah, because back then it was
<v Speaker 2>like you would give your ID to like the agent,
<v Speaker 2>and then the agent would vouch for your name, and
<v Speaker 2>the producers and the directors would be like, oh, well,
<v Speaker 2>Jim South said you were a age, you'd have the
<v Speaker 2>model release, but you wouldn't keep the IDs, you wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>like check IDs.
<v Speaker 3>You'd just go by what he'd say, right.
<v Speaker 2>And back then was the Mease Commission, which was started
<v Speaker 2>by Ronald Reagan to try to basically shut porn down.
<v Speaker 2>And it was a study on whether or not porn
<v Speaker 2>was damaging to the fabric of society and whether or
<v Speaker 2>not it was damaging to family, and it was this
<v Speaker 2>whole crusade against porn. And back then it was the
<v Speaker 2>Morality in Media was the name of the organization that
<v Speaker 2>was coming really hard after porn. And they've actually rebranded
<v Speaker 2>and they're now Nikosi, which is now attacking porn in
<v Speaker 2>the vein of like sex trafficking, right, And so we're
<v Speaker 2>seeing all of this happen again, and now with the
<v Speaker 2>current presidential administration and the age verification laws being the
<v Speaker 2>trojan horse that's coming after the adult industry again. So
<v Speaker 2>it's just like kind of wild to see all of
<v Speaker 2>this happen again. And what's so crazy is that so
<v Speaker 2>there's a company that's working on a documentary on my mom,
<v Speaker 2>and so we were going through some archival materials a
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago, and I found this old letter
<v Speaker 2>that had been sent to my parents. This is like
<v Speaker 2>a nineteen, I don't know, eighty two or something from
<v Speaker 2>the ACLU, and it was literally about how the current
<v Speaker 2>administration was trying to like strip people of their rights,
<v Speaker 2>trying to st women of their right to abortions.
<v Speaker 3>And it could have been written today.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, hey, is so insane, Like I'm reading this
<v Speaker 2>and this is like and I'm like this, this could
<v Speaker 2>have been written today. It was an exact mirror of
<v Speaker 2>everything that we're facing today, and it just really you know,
<v Speaker 2>solidified to me, like how it's cyclical and this war
<v Speaker 2>on porn is cyclical and we're facing it again right now, and.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's never going to stop, so you have to
<v Speaker 4>always fight and only lose if we stop fighting.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I know, I know.
<v Speaker 2>So yay starting a positive, positive note.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yea that it's tough. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about you, because you know, we last
<v Speaker 2>chatted in May twenty nineteen, so much has changed since then.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've like really blown up in your career.
<v Speaker 2>I mean back then, I think you had just been
<v Speaker 2>had you just been signed as a browser contract starbacks.
<v Speaker 3>I think I got signed in that year.
<v Speaker 4>It might have been like a month after or like
<v Speaker 4>a month before, so it was like right when things
<v Speaker 4>are going to start, like right off a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>Which was a big deal back then.
<v Speaker 2>But now you've become so much more than that, like
<v Speaker 2>you know, and to be fair, like a lot of
<v Speaker 2>times male performers like they do well, and especially if
<v Speaker 2>they're strong performers like you, you have like a longevity,
<v Speaker 2>but they don't generally, you know, divert into like creating
<v Speaker 2>a whole like brand and career and company and start
<v Speaker 2>like producing their own content. And I mean you've really
<v Speaker 2>like created like an incredibly strong brand and you really
<v Speaker 2>see it, like when I went to X three and
<v Speaker 2>your booth was like as big as the browsers big yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and AVN too. So tell me a little bit about
<v Speaker 2>how you got there, because that's like pretty impressive.
<v Speaker 4>When I first got in the industry, I've always wanted
<v Speaker 4>to kind of be like a producer.
<v Speaker 3>I just kept that to myself.
<v Speaker 4>So whenever I was on set, I was always sponging
<v Speaker 4>up information and kind of learning of like am I
<v Speaker 4>ready to do the things that, like, you know, a
<v Speaker 4>lot of stuff I didn't know, so I was just
<v Speaker 4>taking my time to slowly naturally gain information. And I
<v Speaker 4>think to touch bases on like why a lot of
<v Speaker 4>male performers maybe not go to that second arc one
<v Speaker 4>is extremely difficult, and two sometimes you might get just
<v Speaker 4>get caught up in like the ease of just going
<v Speaker 4>to set and just that's it, because like looking on
<v Speaker 4>both sides now, that's being a producer and a performer.
<v Speaker 4>When I go to set and I'm just performing, I
<v Speaker 4>am so fucking grateful. Sometimes I'm like, oh this is
<v Speaker 4>this is fucking easy, Like this is eas shit in
<v Speaker 4>the world. And then there's times where I'm producing and
<v Speaker 4>performing where I'm having to wear two hats, like very
<v Speaker 4>quickly because not to like that there's a gray area,
<v Speaker 4>but like sometimes if I'm producing and performing, the talent
<v Speaker 4>might even like flirt with me, and I'm like confused,
<v Speaker 4>but I'm like, oh shit, I'm also the performer. Let
<v Speaker 4>me also give enough of a line to give that
<v Speaker 4>comfort but also not cross the line as a producer
<v Speaker 4>who's still going to perform with this person, you know,
<v Speaker 4>and seth puts me in a crazy because it's like
<v Speaker 4>she's flitting me. Let me flirt back, but like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>will this be acceptable from a producer if I took
<v Speaker 4>out that performer party?
<v Speaker 2>She is she doing that because you're in a position
<v Speaker 2>of power and she thinks that if she does, she'll
<v Speaker 2>get more work.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. You have to start thinking about things like that.
<v Speaker 4>Just like so I just had to keep it neutral
<v Speaker 4>and be as like, you know, as safe as possible,
<v Speaker 4>and treat to the producer hat first and the performer
<v Speaker 4>hat like once we're like there there, like treat it
<v Speaker 4>as a movie because I'm sure there's movies where a
<v Speaker 4>performer can do the same thing, and it's like, let's
<v Speaker 4>not be all like flirty and creepy. I mean some
<v Speaker 4>girls like that, but some girls don't. Like you know,
<v Speaker 4>it's just it's reading the room and understanding it's a
<v Speaker 4>very complicated thing. But like I'm in my head also
<v Speaker 4>while giving like information on the scene in the script.
<v Speaker 4>So it's that those days are interesting. I like it,
<v Speaker 4>it's fun, but it's uh, that might be why.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's also I mean the difference is then
<v Speaker 2>mainstream acting is that there isn't obviously there's an intimacy
<v Speaker 2>to what you do, right, so they might want to
<v Speaker 2>or need to tap into that intimacy to feel like
<v Speaker 2>there's a spark there to have a good scene. And
<v Speaker 2>it's like, how do you navigate them?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you don't want to be like to shut off
<v Speaker 4>the word. They're like, oh, wow, this person doesn't want
<v Speaker 4>to work with me, and yeah, now they're on their head.
<v Speaker 4>They're not to like give something to the scene. I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>oh no, dude, it's just that I'm worried about the
<v Speaker 4>script part. I got to make sure I get all
<v Speaker 4>the ps and qes and you know, yeah, it's still funny.
<v Speaker 3>It's like a lot of it is pre production.
<v Speaker 4>I've learned over the course of time, and I think
<v Speaker 4>even in the industry, it's so easy to not pre
<v Speaker 4>produce because it's just sex. But like that's the easy part,
<v Speaker 4>I think. So the hard parts are the pre production parts.
<v Speaker 4>So if you don't do that, you make the sex
<v Speaker 4>a little difficult because no one's waiting on the set,
<v Speaker 4>Like we're waiting on the stuff that has to happen
<v Speaker 4>before we get to the sex. So if you don't
<v Speaker 4>do all that, then it might take longer to get
<v Speaker 4>to the sex, and then you're dealing with multiple, multiple problems,
<v Speaker 4>so it just becomes so complicated.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, that's like the easy part, right part is
<v Speaker 3>like the sex part.
<v Speaker 2>Like Okay, now we're to the sex and I can
<v Speaker 2>like just turn the camera and like go together, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, put it on a drypod like okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And then you're good to go.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, so I was doing performing and then I
<v Speaker 4>was able to become a producer. When I got contracted
<v Speaker 4>with Browsers, I was like, hey, I also wanted to produce,
<v Speaker 4>and then I think there are more on like well
<v Speaker 4>you to perform, And then they didn't say that, but
<v Speaker 4>I understood, Like what did I show to them to
<v Speaker 4>make them like give me a production job?
<v Speaker 3>I just let them know that's something I was thinking about.
<v Speaker 4>And then so I hired two people, Franzois and Brian,
<v Speaker 4>and then I hired them to shoot two scenes that
<v Speaker 4>I thought were be similar to how Browsers shoots their stuff.
<v Speaker 4>And then they bought one of the scenes and then
<v Speaker 4>from there they gave me an order.
<v Speaker 3>So you did it on spec Yeah, I just did it.
<v Speaker 4>Like I just I was like created a script and
<v Speaker 4>I was like I was on the other sets and
<v Speaker 4>I was like asking questions. And then they also worked
<v Speaker 4>with Browsers, so they understood already like the technical side
<v Speaker 4>of it. So I just gave my own script and
<v Speaker 4>like did the scene my own way, and then I
<v Speaker 4>was like, I feel like this is a scene that
<v Speaker 4>would go on Browsers type of vibe.
<v Speaker 3>And then they bought it. That's really I.
<v Speaker 2>Mean, I have to say like that shows first of all,
<v Speaker 2>like drive and gumption and also like a sense of
<v Speaker 2>responsibility in the fact that you didn't think that they
<v Speaker 2>were just going to hand it to you.
<v Speaker 3>You're like, yeah, just trust me that I can direct it.
<v Speaker 3>Give yeah, yeah, give me money, and then you're willing.
<v Speaker 2>To put your money where your mouth is. And I
<v Speaker 2>had to do that a lot too, Like even like
<v Speaker 2>when people were supposedly like knew who I was, Like
<v Speaker 2>when I first went to Playboy, you know, they they
<v Speaker 2>don't like, they don't give a fuck. I had to
<v Speaker 2>shoot stuff on spec and be like I can do this,
<v Speaker 2>and then okay, and then they gave it and then
<v Speaker 2>they gave me the job.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think a lot of people like don't understand that.
<v Speaker 4>I think in this in this game of porn. If
<v Speaker 4>you go that route, it's you have a solid chance. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I agree, because you know a lot of people just
<v Speaker 4>don't even go that route in general. And I did
<v Speaker 4>too because if I did, because they only bought one
<v Speaker 4>of them, one of them the other there was like
<v Speaker 4>a it doesn't really it's for a different site.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't that was bad.
<v Speaker 4>It was just like it will go more like Babes
<v Speaker 4>or something like that, right, right, So Magic only did
<v Speaker 4>one and they just didn't that was the one that
<v Speaker 4>they didn't take, and then boom, it's a different route.
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, let me just do two just
<v Speaker 4>in case, you know, And so that worked, and then
<v Speaker 4>they gave me an order I find a crew because
<v Speaker 4>they wanted to be not the same as the crew
<v Speaker 4>they already had.
<v Speaker 3>So it was like finding a team.
<v Speaker 4>And that was like a really tough part, which is
<v Speaker 4>one of the most important parts is having a really
<v Speaker 4>good team.
<v Speaker 2>How did you find that because like everybody who's good
<v Speaker 2>and important is already bucked. Yeah yeah, no, like it's
<v Speaker 2>been like like Sean Rivera's like booked till like next year.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. That it was a super tough part.
<v Speaker 4>But I used like a lot of the friendships I
<v Speaker 4>made over the course of time, and I got to
<v Speaker 4>benefit Lexi. She's been with me since I first started,
<v Speaker 4>and now she herself is contracted and she's doing her
<v Speaker 4>to make a partisan curious. Judas was a biographer and
<v Speaker 4>he's been with me and we met at a party
<v Speaker 4>and he had just shot a video for me randomly
<v Speaker 4>for a different site. So I remember him and we
<v Speaker 4>were just like chatting away and he was just a
<v Speaker 4>good conversation. I was like, I remember that video. You
<v Speaker 4>didn't like it. It was a good time when sales.
<v Speaker 3>A good vibe.
<v Speaker 4>You were like, you were able to move, and like,
<v Speaker 4>I liked why you shot the video, So would you
<v Speaker 4>be down? He was like yeah, And then so that
<v Speaker 4>was that. I had a different photographer at the time.
<v Speaker 4>Things didn't work out, not because of me, but like
<v Speaker 4>for business related reasons I have to deal with. So
<v Speaker 4>then I found another photographer halfway in and his name
<v Speaker 4>is James McLeod. Wonderful guy. And then I eventually got
<v Speaker 4>the PA's have been the ever changing. Yeah, that's actually
<v Speaker 4>one of the most hardest, Like not saying it's not
<v Speaker 4>the most important, it's the least important, but like a
<v Speaker 4>lot of times when people may be uncomfortable, it's most
<v Speaker 4>of the time from like a PA or like someone
<v Speaker 4>in that position, because that's you probably talk to the
<v Speaker 4>PA the least amount in terms of pre production or
<v Speaker 4>a little bit like day off, like can you help
<v Speaker 4>with this? But with the videographer and a photographer and everybody,
<v Speaker 4>like the production manager, you're like having conversations day off.
<v Speaker 4>The PA might come and set or be a quick
<v Speaker 4>hire like hey, can you help me with this? Boom boom?
<v Speaker 4>And that's when someone might leave and they'd be like,
<v Speaker 4>I see you important.
<v Speaker 3>Can you send me a.
<v Speaker 4>Titty show like you know that that because I've seen that.
<v Speaker 4>When I first got in, it was always a PAS.
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Yo, it's PA's bugging you know, So
<v Speaker 4>I know that's something I also want to put a
<v Speaker 4>lot of time into and make sure that's someone that
<v Speaker 4>can read a rumin not like.
<v Speaker 2>And the problem is, too, is if they're good, then
<v Speaker 2>they're going to move up from being exactly They're not
<v Speaker 2>going to.
<v Speaker 3>Say that's the thing.
<v Speaker 4>If you find it really good, PA, there'll be a
<v Speaker 4>PA for a very short amount of time.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>And then so it's just like someone that kind of
<v Speaker 4>wants to be a PA in the stance or it
<v Speaker 4>was just like that's why I so ever changing position
<v Speaker 4>that you got to kind of like always set up.
<v Speaker 4>So as of right now, I kind of have some
<v Speaker 4>of my friends change over and the girls too. And
<v Speaker 4>I think there's one guy, Rob. He's probably the best
<v Speaker 4>pay in the game. He wants like he chills because
<v Speaker 4>he has options to do more. But as of right now,
<v Speaker 4>I think he's.
<v Speaker 3>Just I think I know who you're talking a. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I think he's like an expensive PA though.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but he also doesn't like not the normal pay.
<v Speaker 3>Like he charges more than others, like.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it makes sense because it's like, yo, you're good,
<v Speaker 4>like you know, I get it, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So but even him, I feel like, because I've talked
<v Speaker 4>to him before, if he wants he can kind of
<v Speaker 4>like start shooting camera because he's doing it for like
<v Speaker 4>James Avalon on the side and stuff like that. So
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, those are those are my team. I use
<v Speaker 4>them for the brasing and reality king sets, and then
<v Speaker 4>we also became a vibe for my riggish rooms and
<v Speaker 4>everything else. And I test a good amount of my
<v Speaker 4>success for being able to have a great team and
<v Speaker 4>us being on the same page, and they gave me
<v Speaker 4>a lot of their time, very respectful of it.
<v Speaker 2>So I love that you acknowledge that because I think
<v Speaker 2>that you're I mean, that's the most important thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I've always said that, like, you know, my work is good,
<v Speaker 2>not because I'm like a magician and I'm just like boom,
<v Speaker 2>everything looks great. I think that my talent actually doesn't
<v Speaker 2>even lie in you know, me being able to take
<v Speaker 2>a good picture whatever. It's me recognizing talent and other people, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and bringing them together.
<v Speaker 4>It's like, Okay, you're really good at like picking out boulders,
<v Speaker 4>you're really good at making water.
<v Speaker 3>You can do this.
<v Speaker 4>So we can make a community if we find like
<v Speaker 4>twenty people of different things and we bring it together
<v Speaker 4>and just varish.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So And what I also really love about working an
<v Speaker 2>adult that doesn't happen in mainstream. And I see this
<v Speaker 2>a lot because I have a lot of friends who
<v Speaker 2>work in mainstream, and also we rent at our location
<v Speaker 2>for shoots a lot, so I see a lot of mainstream.
<v Speaker 3>Crews come through.
<v Speaker 2>Is that we because I think we work consistently, we
<v Speaker 2>have the privilege of being able to work with the
<v Speaker 2>same people all the time. Like you said, you built
<v Speaker 2>your crew, right, they're kind of like your family, and
<v Speaker 2>so they know what you like, they know what you want,
<v Speaker 2>and so you kind of like have this symbiotic relationship
<v Speaker 2>where they understand the flow and it makes it easy
<v Speaker 2>in mainstream a lot of the time, like you'll work
<v Speaker 2>with different people all the time. Like you'll have a
<v Speaker 2>producer that'll hire a director. Maybe the director will have
<v Speaker 2>like the cameramen that they always want to work with,
<v Speaker 2>but like otherwise, everybody else on set like they've never met.
<v Speaker 4>I've seen that a lot of big projects that I've done,
<v Speaker 4>even through porn where we're doing like little photo shoots
<v Speaker 4>something like that, it's like a big giant set and
<v Speaker 4>like the two people in command, it's like they.
<v Speaker 3>Met that day.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're like okay, yeah, And then now you're seeing
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of a they move a little different.
<v Speaker 4>They may like you know, God, or lead different way,
<v Speaker 4>and then like you can kind of see that. I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>you guys aren't like friends, but it's just like, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you're right. It's like kind of like the pa situations.
<v Speaker 4>Just like you're really good at directing, you're really good
<v Speaker 4>at producing. Make this movie and then like, yeah, whatever
<v Speaker 4>happens in between, here's some money, figure it out.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's also because the mainstream industry is so big, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and there's so many other jobs that people go on,
<v Speaker 2>and for us, we're so.
<v Speaker 3>Small and we're locking in.
<v Speaker 2>The same yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the jobs are consistent, right,
<v Speaker 2>Like you probably know like how many scenes you're shooting
<v Speaker 2>every month and stuff like that, so you can book
<v Speaker 2>your team out like months ahead two, which is also
<v Speaker 2>like a big differ.
<v Speaker 4>They're making like probably like one movie and it's just
<v Speaker 4>like if it was great, might get a sequel or
<v Speaker 4>it was like the same director, you know, I get it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that makes sense.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So you started directing and producing scenes for Browsers.
<v Speaker 2>What did you find was like the most challenging thing
<v Speaker 2>about like producing or directing, like off the bat, like
<v Speaker 2>maybe that you didn't expect.
<v Speaker 3>I think the very first thing was probably respect.
<v Speaker 4>I think I'm with respect to individual but when it
<v Speaker 4>got to a place of me like kind of giving
<v Speaker 4>authority and telling people what to do, like because at
<v Speaker 4>the time, I don't think I would consider myself an
<v Speaker 4>industry vet. At the time, I was just like fresh
<v Speaker 4>like performer probably two years after getting newcomers, so like
<v Speaker 4>three four years in and I look at the people
<v Speaker 4>who are through four years in, it's like you're still
<v Speaker 4>pretty new, yeah, because people have built like seven eight
<v Speaker 4>years worth of like respecting trust, and so it was
<v Speaker 4>honestly just directing. And even I've had a lighting guy
<v Speaker 4>who had hired one time and he was a little
<v Speaker 4>snappy in a way that I just know you wouldn't
<v Speaker 4>be snappy this someone else because I've been on setone
<v Speaker 4>before because I've seen him on sex where I was
<v Speaker 4>a performer, and I just knew it was just like
<v Speaker 4>taking thory and someone telling you. You can felt the
<v Speaker 4>energy of someone being like, oh you told me what
<v Speaker 4>to do type of vibe when I was just like,
<v Speaker 4>it's a.
<v Speaker 3>Bigger picture of what we're doing.
<v Speaker 4>We all have to like you know, it's just like
<v Speaker 4>even now, like I've been around that person now and
<v Speaker 4>it's like there's nowhere near that type of energy. So
<v Speaker 4>I just know that's what the energy was back then.
<v Speaker 4>But like that's something I dealt with even with like performers,
<v Speaker 4>like a male talent who may be like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>sixteen year vet and you have like a three year
<v Speaker 4>performer being like, hey, you should go.
<v Speaker 3>Right here and do this like that kind of vibe.
<v Speaker 4>But I've always led with like not directing the sex
<v Speaker 4>in the since or maybe getting opinions or guidance, trying
<v Speaker 4>to make it more of an inception, like make you
<v Speaker 4>believe that this is what you want to do in
<v Speaker 4>a sense as a yeah, a colaver effort as opposed
<v Speaker 4>to me like you got to do this, you know,
<v Speaker 4>because everyone's different, So that probably just a little bit
<v Speaker 4>of respect, But I feel respect is earned, so I'm
<v Speaker 4>not mad at it because it's a good thing. Like
<v Speaker 4>even recently, I was doing a script that was like heavy.
<v Speaker 4>It's like a heavy script, and like I was working with
<v Speaker 4>the performer has been around for a while, like twenty
<v Speaker 4>twenty something years, and like he would it kind of
<v Speaker 4>felt like he was also code directing. But it wasn't
<v Speaker 4>a bad thing. But you can, I can you can
<v Speaker 4>tell what someone might like. It could be a situation
<v Speaker 4>someone's like yo, shut up, I know what I'm doing
<v Speaker 4>type of vibe.
<v Speaker 3>But this person actually really wanted.
<v Speaker 4>The production to preally really well, so he was like
<v Speaker 4>giving input with me, So it became a collaborate effort,
<v Speaker 4>because that's what happens in movies too. I'm sure if
<v Speaker 4>like ham Cruise in the movie, he's like telling the director, like,
<v Speaker 4>I think we should switch to this, and we should
<v Speaker 4>do that. And then if you both respect each other,
<v Speaker 4>you're listening. If you don't, you're like, hey, stay in
<v Speaker 4>your lane. I told you to do this. So I
<v Speaker 4>looked at it as that, you know, and it was
<v Speaker 4>a good effort. And that's also something I'm learning. I'm like, Okay,
<v Speaker 4>if I want to shoot more movies and I want
<v Speaker 4>to shoot features, I have to know everybody's different. You know,
<v Speaker 4>everybody's not going to respect you, and that's okay, and
<v Speaker 4>everybody expects you in different levels in different ways. It's
<v Speaker 4>just about getting the job done and bringing the best
<v Speaker 4>out of this person. And if I have my shit together,
<v Speaker 4>this isn't a problem I have to worry about too.
<v Speaker 4>You know, if I do my pre production part and
<v Speaker 4>I give a proper i TI interary, if I go
<v Speaker 4>off the way and have a conversation with this person
<v Speaker 4>before the day of the set for a twenty page script,
<v Speaker 4>and I'm not gonna deal with someone being like I
<v Speaker 4>didn't know, you know, because I talked to them and
<v Speaker 4>I got all the stuff down, so it's all it's
<v Speaker 4>all levels of like did I do my part?
<v Speaker 3>You know? Yeah? I like that.
<v Speaker 2>So you talk a lot about pre production, like what
<v Speaker 2>are some of the most important things that you think
<v Speaker 2>one needs to have laid out before a scene?
<v Speaker 4>I would say the structure because everyone like does things differently,
<v Speaker 4>so for me, pre production is so huge. So like
<v Speaker 4>when it comes to scripts, I kind of like to like, uh,
<v Speaker 4>put in my mind how I would highly present it
<v Speaker 4>and talk with my crew and usually if I'm not
<v Speaker 4>able to scout, because if you're doing people usually scout
<v Speaker 4>on like features. If you just have like a seven
<v Speaker 4>scene order, you might not necessarily spend seven different days
<v Speaker 4>going to scouts the location and making sure you're not
<v Speaker 4>You're just not going to do that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like that was my most and that was most
<v Speaker 2>one of the most infuriating things about my job, was
<v Speaker 2>having to go scout locations.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I'm like so paranoid about it. But that's
<v Speaker 3>a big part of it.
<v Speaker 4>Like lead the industy scouts, Like if you have a location,
<v Speaker 4>you find out when you get there and then you're like,
<v Speaker 4>oh shit, this is not going to work.
<v Speaker 3>For this script.
<v Speaker 4>So now you're spending that two three hours before people
<v Speaker 4>get to set. Yeah, let's make this work, you know.
<v Speaker 4>You know, so a big part of reproduction is like
<v Speaker 4>you know, and also shit happens that you can have
<v Speaker 4>a place house and then two hours before you got
<v Speaker 4>to go to a different house.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I know you got to do it anyway.
<v Speaker 4>But I like to scout or at least I know
<v Speaker 4>a location I'm at, or like I spend extra time
<v Speaker 4>having the director, I mean, having the videographer come a
<v Speaker 4>little early so we can like go over everything and
<v Speaker 4>hash it out. After you do a certain amount of times,
<v Speaker 4>you kind of just get like a little better with
<v Speaker 4>dialogue and dictating them to your team of like hey
<v Speaker 4>I want this, I want this, and just you know,
<v Speaker 4>just being set early and really uh brainstorming.
<v Speaker 2>Can you think of any like big changes that you
<v Speaker 2>had to make to a script or to a scene
<v Speaker 2>because of like locations limitations.
<v Speaker 4>I had one where I was going to do like
<v Speaker 4>a Victorian type of scene and then and this is
<v Speaker 4>like on me, I didn't I kind of assume the
<v Speaker 4>talent was going to like rock with it in a
<v Speaker 4>sense like Okay, yeah, this is gonna be They're gonna
<v Speaker 4>love this scene. And then the talent was like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>it's not really for my brand, which makes sense because
<v Speaker 4>like I get it the reason why they want to
<v Speaker 4>do that particular scene. I was like, all right, cool,
<v Speaker 4>I got to on the fly kind of switch up everything.
<v Speaker 4>I turned into like a like a Baywatch type.
<v Speaker 3>Of beach scene.
<v Speaker 4>So it's like, all right, we're now going from a
<v Speaker 4>like a Victorian type of scene, so now we're in
<v Speaker 4>the beach. And then switches everything and then like my
<v Speaker 4>assistant she like, you know, this is when like the
<v Speaker 4>team helps, Cause like if I have a fire and
<v Speaker 4>I'm just putting out by myself, it's gonna take some
<v Speaker 4>time people put this fire out. But if I have
<v Speaker 4>like six people that are like, hey, I'm going to
<v Speaker 4>help you put this fire out, we get the fire
<v Speaker 4>and we're all but we all got to really like
<v Speaker 4>you know, and then and everyone we all have that camaraderie.
<v Speaker 4>You're like all right, cool, well, I'm gonna go get
<v Speaker 4>you this stuff for the Lifeguard shoot. I'm going to
<v Speaker 4>help you like this new location we can scout together
<v Speaker 4>and make it and picture this. I'm gonna make sure
<v Speaker 4>I get the these pictures done to make a party.
<v Speaker 4>It's like, oh, boom boom, So it's like it worked out.
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I probably me and my team are really good.
<v Speaker 4>We call it helicopters when like shit just happens and
<v Speaker 4>we just got to like get the helicopter and just
<v Speaker 4>like so we're just really good at like having a
<v Speaker 4>helicopter and just like make it into like nothing bad
<v Speaker 4>ever happened.
<v Speaker 2>How do you handle talent that is difficult or late
<v Speaker 2>or challenging to work with.
<v Speaker 4>I also think that's part of preproduction, because if you
<v Speaker 4>know who you're working with, you can kind of know
<v Speaker 4>what you're working with.
<v Speaker 3>Like there's some.
<v Speaker 4>People that I know are going to be late. I
<v Speaker 4>will give them a call time that's literally an hour
<v Speaker 4>before they're needed, and then they will come on time
<v Speaker 4>for what I'm expecting and they'll be like, oh, I'm
<v Speaker 4>so late. I'm like, oh, it's okay, even though you're
<v Speaker 4>technique not late. I just gave you an early time
<v Speaker 4>so you can come late to that. That's if I
<v Speaker 4>know you're going to be late, Like I know that
<v Speaker 4>you know you don't know, but I know you're going
<v Speaker 4>to be late.
<v Speaker 2>And that always happens there are some talent that expected
<v Speaker 2>call time two hours after before their actual call time.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we both know who I'm talking.
<v Speaker 4>About, which I was like, there's no way, and they're like, no,
<v Speaker 4>this person no matter what. I'm like, oh wow, And
<v Speaker 4>then I was like, no, this is true, this is
<v Speaker 4>no matter what.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I gave that.
<v Speaker 2>I gave that person the real call time because I
<v Speaker 2>didn't know. And when she showed up two hours later,
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, you didn't know the role. She's like, no,
<v Speaker 2>you give me a call time two hours before I'm
<v Speaker 2>supposed to show up. I'm like, but if you know that,
<v Speaker 2>that's the thing, why don't you just show.
<v Speaker 3>Up on time?
<v Speaker 4>She's already one now. She's like, hey, no, this is
<v Speaker 4>now on you. You didn't know your She was.
<v Speaker 3>Like, I'm so sorry, sweetheart, I'm sorry you didn't know.
<v Speaker 2>It was like, you're like, but I also love her,
<v Speaker 2>like she's got such good energy.
<v Speaker 3>I love her something.
<v Speaker 4>That's why you also get away a little bit like
<v Speaker 4>if you didn't bring a performance, it'd be like, hey, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you were two hours later. But if you do all
<v Speaker 4>great things, it's like all right, all right, yeah, but yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I've gotten pretty good and been pretty lucky in that.
<v Speaker 4>The only time I've sent someone home because there were
<v Speaker 4>a little drunk before, that's something I've done.
<v Speaker 2>How do you handle that? Do you like literally tell
<v Speaker 2>them like, hey, you're drunk, you gotta go home.
<v Speaker 3>Actually to me, so, I don't even know if they're drunk.
<v Speaker 4>I just know that they were off, So like I
<v Speaker 4>don't want to put like I have no idea what's
<v Speaker 4>going on. But like so it was like, and this
<v Speaker 4>was before my sight. It was two guys and four girls.
<v Speaker 4>And then one of the girls is a little wavy.
<v Speaker 3>Like we were doing wavy.
<v Speaker 4>She was like, you know, we were doing like teases
<v Speaker 4>and like we did a girl to the teas, the
<v Speaker 4>nowther goir to the teas.
<v Speaker 3>Then she did her teas and.
<v Speaker 4>I was like, ah, I don't know, Like you know,
<v Speaker 4>I was like I don't know. I teas looks a
<v Speaker 4>little you know. And then we did the teas with
<v Speaker 4>like all the girls together and I was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>there's no way, Like all three girls were like you know,
<v Speaker 4>you can just tell. And then she's a little slunk
<v Speaker 4>and I was like all right for me, I also
<v Speaker 4>don't want her brand to look like that because that
<v Speaker 4>just doesn't for me. This is nothing. It's a different
<v Speaker 4>type of conversation now. So I took it to the
<v Speaker 4>side and I was like, hey, then you should have
<v Speaker 4>head home. I just don't think I just told her
<v Speaker 4>the same thing. I don't think for your brand on
<v Speaker 4>my brand, however, where you are right now, it just
<v Speaker 4>looks good. I think it's best for your own safety
<v Speaker 4>to like, you know, bounce whatever. And then she understood,
<v Speaker 4>got a little sad and then like you know, she
<v Speaker 4>didn't fvite me on it because she I think she
<v Speaker 4>internally knew so.
<v Speaker 3>And then she's called her a person and then she left. Yeah. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I've had to do that too. I had to do
<v Speaker 3>it twice. The second time. The girl was like what
<v Speaker 3>you talk about and I.
<v Speaker 4>Was like, ah, yeah, I just can't and she's like
<v Speaker 4>all right, And then you know, she was just around
<v Speaker 4>like she has like stayed for a really really long time.
<v Speaker 4>But she didn't get in the way because you also
<v Speaker 4>don't want like if she has no way to get home,
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna like you gott get the fuck out
<v Speaker 4>of here, Like all right, we'll figure out just you know,
<v Speaker 4>his your little bubble areas water. You're good we'll carry
<v Speaker 4>on with the other part. Just yeah, whatever you can
<v Speaker 4>do for you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those are always tough, and I found that usually
<v Speaker 2>when I've done that, they've often gotten better later on,
<v Speaker 2>and I'll talk to them like a year or two
<v Speaker 2>years later and they'll be like, yeah, I was very
<v Speaker 2>fucked up at that time. Yeah, Like thank you for
<v Speaker 2>recognizing that. And I'm like, hey, I mean, like I'm sober.
<v Speaker 2>I was an alcoholic. I was drunk on set, you know,
<v Speaker 2>back in the day. So like I've been you know,
<v Speaker 2>so for me, like it doesn't come from like a
<v Speaker 2>place of judges.
<v Speaker 3>I've been there.
<v Speaker 4>It's a matter of just like hey, we're just you know,
<v Speaker 4>today's not the day, so just go home and there's
<v Speaker 4>a new day. Yeah, Today's that happened with I did
<v Speaker 4>a scene for a company I was directing, and then
<v Speaker 4>it was just girls, like first shoot and it was
<v Speaker 4>such a hectic day. Everything that you could think can
<v Speaker 4>go wrong. And this was like I think a little
<v Speaker 4>bit past the COVID time, so like the rules were
<v Speaker 4>like strict as funs, like if there was like anybody
<v Speaker 4>in the house or like that type of vibe like
<v Speaker 4>you know, so.
<v Speaker 3>Especially if you were working for well, they were my
<v Speaker 3>geek at the time, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 4>It was like there's like if you sniff something that's
<v Speaker 4>been there and left twenty four hours like new house,
<v Speaker 4>it was like shit. And then so we had my
<v Speaker 4>location person. You know, we're back and forth sometimes miscommunications,
<v Speaker 4>not going to say anybody does you know you used
<v Speaker 4>to communications, and so we have one that day and
<v Speaker 4>then so it made we had to get a new location,
<v Speaker 4>like like right then, like everybody got to the location
<v Speaker 4>like okay, we can't get in. I'm like, hey, location lady,
<v Speaker 4>like you know the cold you give me, it's not working,
<v Speaker 4>like you know. And then it was like, oh, she
<v Speaker 4>wasn't getting back to me, and everyone's like at set
<v Speaker 4>and everyone's just looking at Everything's good. I'm like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>everything's good. You know, you keep it straight face. I
<v Speaker 4>think it's important if you feel like you're the captain,
<v Speaker 4>go with the ship, like you know, don't panic because
<v Speaker 4>everyone else will panic. So I'm like, all right, we'll work.
<v Speaker 4>We'll just find a new location. So I had to
<v Speaker 4>find a new location. But the new talent had just
<v Speaker 4>arrived and she got dropped off, and so now it
<v Speaker 4>was like time we had to go back, and she
<v Speaker 4>hopped and carved me, and not that it was anything,
<v Speaker 4>but this is our first encounter.
<v Speaker 3>Things are hectic.
<v Speaker 4>I gotta do a new location, making sure everything's good
<v Speaker 4>and making sure, yeah, everything's good, even though it's around
<v Speaker 4>on COVID time. Everything's good. We're gonna go to a
<v Speaker 4>new location. Went to a new location. Then she had
<v Speaker 4>her own things going on, and she was just very
<v Speaker 4>sad the whole day, and then randomly while she was
<v Speaker 4>taking photos, I think she started crying. And then I
<v Speaker 4>called it because I was like, uh, I don't mean
<v Speaker 4>whatever you're going through, I don't also don't know you
<v Speaker 4>like that, so like there could be many reasons why
<v Speaker 4>you're crying. Yeah, you know, and this is like an
<v Speaker 4>intimate session. We're about to have sex, like and I
<v Speaker 4>don't think what's I working with. I think I was
<v Speaker 4>working with there and I just for me, it was like,
<v Speaker 4>you look uncomfortable, so yeah, I'm gonna like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>I think you should go home. And we were on
<v Speaker 4>the same page and then she was just having really
<v Speaker 4>a lot of stuff that was going on, and it
<v Speaker 4>worked out like she can't. We did a scene again
<v Speaker 4>like two months later. She was in a really good
<v Speaker 4>headspace and just that day was a really bad day
<v Speaker 4>for her, So I think, I mean, we probably could
<v Speaker 4>have forced it or like all pushed through, but who
<v Speaker 4>knows that would been a good experience for her as
<v Speaker 4>her first time.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, she probably respected you for calling you. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>because she almost was. She's like, no, no, I'll soak it up.
<v Speaker 4>And I was like no, it's like like we'll still
<v Speaker 4>we'll still fuck you, like, you know, because I think
<v Speaker 4>for her, I did a little bit about the money
<v Speaker 4>as well, and I was like, hey, you're like you'll
<v Speaker 4>still get that, like just I don't think today's.
<v Speaker 3>Day, you know. Yeah, And I think that's important.
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a lot more directors are like producers
<v Speaker 4>did that. You know, we save a lot of tormo industry,
<v Speaker 4>but not the light of industry. I agree a little
<v Speaker 4>small part.
<v Speaker 2>So I agree, And I feel like, actually, even lately,
<v Speaker 2>that's something that is only considered more like especially since COVID,
<v Speaker 2>like things have changed so much more in yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>brands like respect performers so much more now than they
<v Speaker 2>used to because.
<v Speaker 4>Watch if they were forced to like chill and be
<v Speaker 4>like all right, what's going on?
<v Speaker 3>With these companies.
<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck that, and you guys have so much more
<v Speaker 2>like financial freedom and autonomy now be.
<v Speaker 3>Like, hey, fuck you, I'm not doing that. Yeah, you can.
<v Speaker 2>Literally tell like studios to go fuck themselves, right, Well,
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't do that before, so you know, from like
<v Speaker 2>fifteen twenty years ago, Like I mean, it was it
<v Speaker 2>was tough. Like if there was a performer that was
<v Speaker 2>having a hard time and I wanted to send them
<v Speaker 2>home for whatever reason, the studio I was working for
<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, no, fuck them, either they're going to
<v Speaker 2>come through or like we're not going to pay anybody,
<v Speaker 2>like the entire set.
<v Speaker 3>Everyone loses their picture.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, and that's we're like, we gotta make this
<v Speaker 4>work because yeah, I'll talk it up.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was awful.
<v Speaker 2>You were like pressured to do stuff that like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>nobody was comfortable with and like this studio head that
<v Speaker 2>didn't give a shit.
<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, not at all.
<v Speaker 4>But now it's better because there's different leaders I guess,
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<v Speaker 2>talk about the evolution of Ricky's Room. So you're directing
<v Speaker 2>for browsers and now I'm assuming you want to branch
<v Speaker 2>off and kind of do your own thing. So where
<v Speaker 2>did the idea of Ricky's Room come from? Because it's
<v Speaker 2>got a very specific look to it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So the very first I would say Ricky's Room
<v Speaker 4>scene was probably like because Ree's Room essentially kind of
<v Speaker 4>is like my only Fans just with a lot of
<v Speaker 4>production into it.
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of what it started into.
<v Speaker 4>So I was at my old crib with my roommate
<v Speaker 4>and then I was just chatting away about just like
<v Speaker 4>elevating and like you know, producing and doing more stuff
<v Speaker 4>and just having some stuff with like my name attached
<v Speaker 4>to it, like worst case scenario if something happens. I
<v Speaker 4>also want to be in a sense of security, like
<v Speaker 4>God forbid the company.
<v Speaker 3>I'm working for, you know, we're not gonna resign. You
<v Speaker 3>know that happens.
<v Speaker 4>I've seen people not get resigned, and like it's just
<v Speaker 4>a matter of just like their personal decision or analytics
<v Speaker 4>are saying like they might.
<v Speaker 3>They bought out by somebody else, and they're just like.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, a minute like that can happen, you know, And
<v Speaker 4>it's just it's always good to have some kind of
<v Speaker 4>like your own comfort with that.
<v Speaker 3>And so.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was I was deal a little shoot with
<v Speaker 4>Alena Lopez and kiss the Sins at my crib.
<v Speaker 3>My roommate like shot it on the phone.
<v Speaker 2>Two like the fucking best I know. Yeah, you can't
<v Speaker 2>get better than those two, and it.
<v Speaker 4>Was just all all phone footage and it was just
<v Speaker 4>like in my room and we were like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>like Ricky's room having that type of conversation like Ricky's room, Like, hey,
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of like Ricky's room has a nice little
<v Speaker 4>vibe to it. At first, I was like, I'm not
<v Speaker 4>trying to have my name in it. I'm trying to
<v Speaker 4>like I'm thinking about future expansion and not like focal
<v Speaker 4>point of like a person or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, it has a like Rickey's room.
<v Speaker 4>It kind of has a roll tongue to like you
<v Speaker 4>can say it like really easy, and that's really important
<v Speaker 4>I think in branding. So I was like, all right,
<v Speaker 4>I looked it up and at the time, it was
<v Speaker 4>like two racks for like the thingy, and I was.
<v Speaker 3>Like, it's a little a little steep.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not ready to like commit, commit, commit yet yeah yet,
<v Speaker 4>And then my roommate was like, man, you kind of
<v Speaker 4>you need to just commit, and I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>you're right. So I just bought the domain and then
<v Speaker 4>I didn't use it for like another like seven eight
<v Speaker 4>months at the time, but it was good to have
<v Speaker 4>it to like force me to keep going with it.
<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, I wanted to use my crew.
<v Speaker 4>And actually I don't know if KA knows this how
<v Speaker 4>even matters, but like I was testing out the theme
<v Speaker 4>of Ricky's Room on my Rally King scene. So I
<v Speaker 4>was shooting the scenes like with the night time and
<v Speaker 4>vibe and like the same, it seems really good. And
<v Speaker 4>I was checking how the scenes were doing amongst other scenes,
<v Speaker 4>and they were like doing like slightly better or like
<v Speaker 4>just like really good scenes.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, all right, cool.
<v Speaker 4>Then I tried it again another former I was like,
<v Speaker 4>all right, cool, and they were very gonzo. Was just
<v Speaker 4>like it was a pretty much essentially exact same thing
<v Speaker 4>as Rigger's Room, just I guess Reality King's by I
<v Speaker 4>was shooting the way I was going to shoot it,
<v Speaker 4>because it wasn't the way Rally Kings shoots her things.
<v Speaker 4>It was I was shooting it different, So there came
<v Speaker 4>off of like a little one off. So I did
<v Speaker 4>like one every month, and each time they like worked out,
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, all right, cool, let me just
<v Speaker 4>like focus on that, because I don't think they were
<v Speaker 4>looking for that to be like their continuous things. So
<v Speaker 4>I dropped out of like doing those little producer ideas
<v Speaker 4>and just like did something different. And then I just
<v Speaker 4>made that the focal point of my thing. And then
<v Speaker 4>one of the shoots, it actually wasn't a nighttime thing
<v Speaker 4>as well, I did Indica Flower, and then I did
<v Speaker 4>I found the spot I forgot it was very far off.
<v Speaker 3>Because she has like a little earthy tone tour.
<v Speaker 4>So we found an outside spot daytime shoot, very thematic
<v Speaker 4>and cool. And then I did another one with a
<v Speaker 4>Lacey Linnen and a Fox and like a beach house,
<v Speaker 4>a nice little beach house, very outdoorsy and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 4>and those were like coming like if you want to
<v Speaker 4>site those, like one of the first five scenes. So
<v Speaker 4>like when we first started, there was no real like
<v Speaker 4>this is the theme. It was kind of like this
<v Speaker 4>shooting like very premium level of type porn, like artsy
<v Speaker 4>and like like you know, high definition porn and then
<v Speaker 4>it kind of just catered to like the nighttime vibe
<v Speaker 4>because I was kind of like more I like that vibe.
<v Speaker 3>And for me, it also allowed like the crew to be.
<v Speaker 4>Able to have other jobs or do other things, cause
<v Speaker 4>I shoot at like seven a pm a night, so
<v Speaker 4>like you can essentially have a nine to five and
<v Speaker 4>then clock in you're seven to eleven. And then also
<v Speaker 4>for me because like you know, I have children, so
<v Speaker 4>like also I'm thinking, like I want to be able
<v Speaker 4>to have a good amount of daytime and then maybe
<v Speaker 4>like they're sleep and like you know, go off set
<v Speaker 4>and go to set and do my.
<v Speaker 3>Job that way.
<v Speaker 4>So I was just thinking that in that way of
<v Speaker 4>future I always like the way to the future of things,
<v Speaker 4>and it gets worked out. Yeah. I just kept doing
<v Speaker 4>more and more and more than people liked it and
<v Speaker 4>then now we're here, so wow.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And when did you realize that, like it was
<v Speaker 2>actually going to be a successful endeavor, because like you've
<v Speaker 2>really grown it. You know, like people have done websites
<v Speaker 2>and it's been fine, but like you've really like done
<v Speaker 2>the branding, like you were doing the marketing, like you
<v Speaker 2>have the boost at the conventions. Like when did you
<v Speaker 2>decide to take that step and you decided that the
<v Speaker 2>money was worth it.
<v Speaker 3>Those aren't cheap, Yeah, they aren't.
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you this right now, Avian, because I did
<v Speaker 4>Avian and X three like back to back.
<v Speaker 3>I know how much. I know how much that is
<v Speaker 3>because we looked at it. Yeah, I know how much.
<v Speaker 3>I have an idea of how much you spent and
<v Speaker 3>it was a lot. Yeah yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 4>That was a commitment and you know, and there's no
<v Speaker 4>immediate ROI That's why it's such a commitment because like
<v Speaker 4>you don't you want you'll see it if like eventually
<v Speaker 4>over time, but like you won't see that what you
<v Speaker 4>put in and at least in that hat right back
<v Speaker 4>at you know, you know, but I think it was
<v Speaker 4>very important.
<v Speaker 3>It was still good.
<v Speaker 4>But nowadays a lot of my Ricky's Room scenes are
<v Speaker 4>have been trade because the talent is like, hey, I'm
<v Speaker 4>down to do a trade, and like we both like
<v Speaker 4>so it's a cheaper scene. Yeah, but like the first
<v Speaker 4>forty five scenes, they definitely weren't trade, Like it was
<v Speaker 4>just like the agent or I talked to a model,
<v Speaker 4>then I hit the age whatever whatever, and I didn't
<v Speaker 4>release it till like probably I was on the scene
<v Speaker 4>fifty Like no one even knew Aboutricky's rooms. I always
<v Speaker 4>shot him and it was like a dark with the socials.
<v Speaker 4>So it was just like I committed to like a
<v Speaker 4>good amount of scenes before I even released it, which
<v Speaker 4>is that adds up, you know, he scenes a certain
<v Speaker 4>amount of money, so like from then, like for me,
<v Speaker 4>I feel like if you're committing that far, like forty
<v Speaker 4>scenes before you can drop, then you're assuming we're gonna
<v Speaker 4>continue this, you know, because I also just like, let
<v Speaker 4>me put this money somewhere else. So it was just like,
<v Speaker 4>you know, I thought, like, you know, even right now,
<v Speaker 4>I'm like six years ahead and where I figure out
<v Speaker 4>the company can be in like where we can do
<v Speaker 4>with this. So I've always felt like it was gonna
<v Speaker 4>work because I looked at like, you know, I tried it.
<v Speaker 4>I tried it proof of concept production wise on like
<v Speaker 4>you know, a different site but like a certain theme,
<v Speaker 4>and then like my Only Fans makes a super solid
<v Speaker 4>amount of money that's essentially a sight. Well if you
<v Speaker 4>look at it, and if I just like, all right,
<v Speaker 4>let me just put instead of putting my stuff on
<v Speaker 4>the Only Fans platform, let me get put it on
<v Speaker 4>this platform, and put my name on it. And if
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing all the work, the only fans is doing
<v Speaker 4>back in that they're using twenty percent for if I
<v Speaker 4>put that in and use that twenty percent a different route,
<v Speaker 4>then I essentially have copied and pasted and essentially what
<v Speaker 4>I've done.
<v Speaker 2>So are you putting these scenes only on mosreroom dot
<v Speaker 2>com or is it on now?
<v Speaker 4>Recently I've I've come to find that it doesn't hurt
<v Speaker 4>the site to just spread it everywhere. I've kind of
<v Speaker 4>just been churning and it may not work for everybody,
<v Speaker 4>So don't quote me. And if you do this and
<v Speaker 4>you're like I lost so much fucking money that that's
<v Speaker 4>not on me. I think this works for me because
<v Speaker 4>like I do it, like it may come across like
<v Speaker 4>as I'm like just putting my content like fucking everywhere,
<v Speaker 4>but like I actually think about it and how I'm
<v Speaker 4>doing it because for me with the brand, I think
<v Speaker 4>it's really good work. So I'm like I have problem
<v Speaker 4>with people stealing it and like you know, putting in
<v Speaker 4>on tube sites and like showing like, oh this is
<v Speaker 4>really good scene boom boom, look at it, like especially
<v Speaker 4>in the very very beginning, because I'm like, you don't
<v Speaker 4>know who I am. So it's like all right, cool,
<v Speaker 4>you're like, all this site is really good. Oh, then
<v Speaker 4>you're showing people. So from a brand standpoint, that's going
<v Speaker 4>to take some time, and you're definitely not getting an ROI.
<v Speaker 4>They're stealing your shit, yeah, but you will get brand
<v Speaker 4>identity over time.
<v Speaker 3>If it's good stuff. So, and you got to have
<v Speaker 3>a happy.
<v Speaker 4>Place of just not making sure that you're like a
<v Speaker 4>completely stolen product. You still have to like make sure
<v Speaker 4>you're getting you know, income and DMCA when you need
<v Speaker 4>to and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 3>But for me, it also helps that your stuff is
<v Speaker 3>so identifiable. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>See, so then it can be like that's really important. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>because everyone's going to get their stuff taken. But if
<v Speaker 4>you can kind of pinpoint what this is and when
<v Speaker 4>you keep seeing it, you'd be like I keep seeing that,
<v Speaker 4>I keep seeing that. You're getting dictatle So things like
<v Speaker 4>that are very important.
<v Speaker 2>So you're doing Ricky's room that has its look, and
<v Speaker 2>then you have this crazy idea to do Ricky's resort, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>which looks like you know, I mean like I've worked
<v Speaker 2>in production.
<v Speaker 3>I looked at that and I was like that's a
<v Speaker 3>lot of fucking work. Yeah, where did you get.
<v Speaker 2>That idea from? That's my baby too, Yeah, tell me
<v Speaker 2>about that.
<v Speaker 4>Resort was originally just going to be like a one
<v Speaker 4>big project thing, and then it was actually like my team.
<v Speaker 4>So the people that are like run the site YPP,
<v Speaker 4>they were like, hey, you should make it into a website,
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I mean, we're just really stretching
<v Speaker 4>things here. We're just like, I know it's a lot,
<v Speaker 4>but we're like to make it a website. But I
<v Speaker 4>was like, wait, why not make it a website? So
<v Speaker 4>then I looked at it in that sense. But before
<v Speaker 4>I made a website, I wanted to make up it
<v Speaker 4>had to be a big enough project so that you
<v Speaker 4>can turn it into a website after that one project.
<v Speaker 4>But I just wanted to bring the vibes of just
<v Speaker 4>making porn fun, not to porn is not fun, but
<v Speaker 4>to like just making like a fun project. And I
<v Speaker 4>was like a lot of times, a lot of porn
<v Speaker 4>stars like want to be on Survivor or they want
<v Speaker 4>to go on these shows and they want to do
<v Speaker 4>the stuff, and it's just like, nah, you're important. Sorry,
<v Speaker 4>So it's like, why can't we just bring that to
<v Speaker 4>our community. Like you know, if we all put our own,
<v Speaker 4>you know, stuff together, we can make all this stuff
<v Speaker 4>that we want to be a part of, we are
<v Speaker 4>a part of it. So I found this really nice location.
<v Speaker 4>Even the crew of the cast that I have is
<v Speaker 4>probably like three people from the original cast that I had,
<v Speaker 4>just because like life happens and things switch over and
<v Speaker 4>whatever whatever. But I spent a very large amount of
<v Speaker 4>time on the casting because even that type of project,
<v Speaker 4>it's you got to be kind of sexual and like
<v Speaker 4>wanting to be a part of like a four day
<v Speaker 4>sex razer with games and challenges, so like you to
<v Speaker 4>have like maybe a certain personality or a certain will
<v Speaker 4>or like, you know, whatever whatever.
<v Speaker 3>So casting was important.
<v Speaker 4>I did a poll, so every girl that was a
<v Speaker 4>part of the program, I sent them like forty male talents,
<v Speaker 4>so and it was like a polling system, so they
<v Speaker 4>all pick which guy they would be willing to have
<v Speaker 4>sex with or they want to have sex with, which
<v Speaker 4>helped me which guys the book, because I'm like, all right,
<v Speaker 4>these are nine guys that were like all the girls
<v Speaker 4>shows this guy, and then there's a guy that like
<v Speaker 4>one person. I'm like, well, these are guys I'm not
<v Speaker 4>gonna pick because they clearly don't want to be associated
<v Speaker 4>with these people. So that helped me in the casting.
<v Speaker 4>Then didn't tell the guys who don't want to.
<v Speaker 3>Hurt the ego. But yeah, also there's a lot of
<v Speaker 3>guys that can hurt the ego. I got numbers, baby,
<v Speaker 3>you know I would never.
<v Speaker 4>But so yeah, and then I got that.
<v Speaker 3>That put that together.
<v Speaker 4>And then the first one, funny enough, was so much
<v Speaker 4>sex and it was very It wasn't as much challenges,
<v Speaker 4>not that I want more challenges and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 4>but they they took on to the sex part of it,
<v Speaker 4>and they just I guess because the environment was so
<v Speaker 4>comfortable that they gave me so much more than I
<v Speaker 4>expected or like was looking for, that it really was
<v Speaker 4>able to make a turn to the site. So the
<v Speaker 4>premise of it is, so we have fifteen models and
<v Speaker 4>each model gets her own episode, and so to dictate
<v Speaker 4>the episode, there's like one sexual scene.
<v Speaker 3>If you do a scene, then you're gonna have.
<v Speaker 4>Enough for episode because we're gonna be roll of you
<v Speaker 4>here for the next two days plus. You're gonna have
<v Speaker 4>a confessional which you can come in and out. However,
<v Speaker 4>many times you want to plus whatever you do because
<v Speaker 4>I've let an environment of a lot of things that happen,
<v Speaker 4>so we'll have an abundance to be roll and whatever
<v Speaker 4>you do throughout the day, because we'll.
<v Speaker 3>Have challenges that we can add on to your episode.
<v Speaker 4>So once you have sex with one person girl, guy, boom,
<v Speaker 4>we have enough for episode. And if you want to
<v Speaker 4>have sex with again, then maybe we have two episodes worth.
<v Speaker 4>And thenf we're here for two days and you're like, ah,
<v Speaker 4>I want to have sex three times, Boom, we have
<v Speaker 4>like three episodes worth and then we end up getting
<v Speaker 4>like three separate orgies that we weren't even like looking
<v Speaker 4>for that. The people just start going after that and
<v Speaker 4>stuff like that. So it worked out in terms of footage.
<v Speaker 4>And one of the things that I thought was important
<v Speaker 4>was like to consent and being understood of like feeling
<v Speaker 4>like you have to have sex with us you're there,
<v Speaker 4>because like I also tell people like this is more
<v Speaker 4>so just an environment, like you don't.
<v Speaker 3>Have to like feel like you have to have sex.
<v Speaker 4>So we did a risk band thing, so I had
<v Speaker 4>a green wristband meant like you're good to be filmed
<v Speaker 4>and you want to have sex. Yellow wristband meant that
<v Speaker 4>you guys want to be filmed, you're not looking to
<v Speaker 4>have sex, And red risk band meant like, come talk
<v Speaker 4>to me, like I'm you know, I shouldn't even be
<v Speaker 4>in the camera because if a camera person sees somebody
<v Speaker 4>writ risk band, it's like, all right, let's talk to
<v Speaker 4>this person.
<v Speaker 3>They need to be talked to. There's a red risk
<v Speaker 3>band situation.
<v Speaker 4>So that helped I feel like people be in the
<v Speaker 4>comfort level of like if you ever feel like you're uncomfortable,
<v Speaker 4>just slap on the red wristband if vocally it's not working,
<v Speaker 4>or you know, you feel like there's twenty people you
<v Speaker 4>don't want to say anything, just like we can we
<v Speaker 4>can understand that, okay.
<v Speaker 2>So this would be saying that, like the risk brands
<v Speaker 2>were available like on a daily basis, on a.
<v Speaker 4>Daily basis in the morning, in the middle of the day,
<v Speaker 4>it's like someone's always around with risk band and you
<v Speaker 4>have access to them yourself, like and if you lose
<v Speaker 4>one or whatever whatever. But like we weren't filming like
<v Speaker 4>twenty four seven, like Big Brother. This is also just
<v Speaker 4>for the parts of the filming. So if we're not filming,
<v Speaker 4>then you know, you're a liberty to like go get
<v Speaker 4>a risk band or put it down. But that was
<v Speaker 4>just to make sure people were comfortable and know, like,
<v Speaker 4>don't feel like you have to because you're surrounded by
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people that are doing it. Because you
<v Speaker 4>might say yes to something and then be an orgy
<v Speaker 4>and be like, oh, I actually didn't. No one talked
<v Speaker 4>about org So I don't want to do orgy. You know,
<v Speaker 4>you don't have to, you know, So I just when
<v Speaker 4>there's a large amount of people you can't lose sight of.
<v Speaker 4>It just takes one person to be uncomfortable, and then
<v Speaker 4>I don't want that person to have a terrible experience
<v Speaker 4>because yeah, you know, yeah that it was a big
<v Speaker 4>project because it was it was like twenty three people
<v Speaker 4>that I had to account for in a sexual manner
<v Speaker 4>and like in their mental and all stuff like that.
<v Speaker 4>So it was constantly like making sure they're good. And
<v Speaker 4>also the crew because like there was a lot of
<v Speaker 4>work for the crew. Like my photographer he had to
<v Speaker 4>knock out twenty three people. It's like like photo sets,
<v Speaker 4>Like it wasn't just like a quick little boom. He
<v Speaker 4>was doing like individual like sets. I gave him a
<v Speaker 4>little bit of his own crew because that was like
<v Speaker 4>a station and we did like seven a day, seven
<v Speaker 4>this day and maybe cleaned up and got four the
<v Speaker 4>other day. But like he was sweating. He was just
<v Speaker 4>like because he has to be creative. Boom new spot
<v Speaker 4>you know we had. And then because I think it
<v Speaker 4>was a little bit late to like the day zero,
<v Speaker 4>which is the day you walk and like make sure
<v Speaker 4>you look at that part. So he missed that part.
<v Speaker 4>So it's a huge part because that makes that day easy.
<v Speaker 4>So it's like a helicopter. So I'm like, all right, cool,
<v Speaker 4>we didn't even get to go over that. But I
<v Speaker 4>believe in you. You're not You're knock this out, so
<v Speaker 4>like I'm trusting.
<v Speaker 3>He got his part. And then I had d I T. Guy.
<v Speaker 4>He dropped the ball. He's dropped the ball. The first
<v Speaker 4>day beautifully organized.
<v Speaker 3>I guess.
<v Speaker 4>The environment was so fun and like everything was like
<v Speaker 4>you know, the live things going on. And I didn't
<v Speaker 4>know this till after the project. The second day. Nothing
<v Speaker 4>like his his main job, the d I T's job
<v Speaker 4>in this project, his main job was literally just to
<v Speaker 4>organize because there's so many just like three or four
<v Speaker 4>or five different cameramans that are like doing sex scenes
<v Speaker 4>with different people and having different visuals and bu rolls.
<v Speaker 3>You got to have that little organized.
<v Speaker 4>So just for the whole day, let's say Jules Blue
<v Speaker 4>will a rider and Mean and Green just making sure
<v Speaker 4>they're locked in because I will make the post editor
<v Speaker 4>process beautiful.
<v Speaker 3>So he was the what guy, the g I T
<v Speaker 3>the guy the just the like the digital wrangler. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>digital media, and he dropped the ball. So day two
<v Speaker 3>and day three, like what was he doing like partying?
<v Speaker 3>Like he was? Actually he did.
<v Speaker 4>He helped out with some videography, but I didn't ask
<v Speaker 4>for that, like I guess because the environment of like
<v Speaker 4>maybe we didn't have enough videographers for like a girl's like,
<v Speaker 4>oh I want to do a sex challenge. I want
<v Speaker 4>to do a sex thing, Boom boom. And they took
<v Speaker 4>four guys. So now that somebody and we have a
<v Speaker 4>fifth girl, it's like.
<v Speaker 3>Oh you know.
<v Speaker 4>Then he like he helped out and then he got
<v Speaker 4>like clean shots of orgy. I think he was trying
<v Speaker 4>to get a job or like saw see the environment.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but all I know is like his
<v Speaker 4>job was d T. But because I was wrangling, like
<v Speaker 4>twenty three people in like thirty five if you count
<v Speaker 4>the crew. It's something I didn't like, you know, I
<v Speaker 4>didn't have the time to expect and see it.
<v Speaker 3>I know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean like I look at that and I just think, like,
<v Speaker 2>first of all, how many crew members did you have?
<v Speaker 2>And second of all, like what a logistical nightmare to
<v Speaker 2>try to make, and like there's no way that you
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have like a couple of things.
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, it's also it's also the girls, like you know,
<v Speaker 4>like one girl's car broke down and then so she
<v Speaker 4>was very emotional and then like you know, that might
<v Speaker 4>have been her breaking point with just aha, you know
<v Speaker 4>it just like you got to clean that up and
<v Speaker 4>make sure that thing's good. Because you also have like
<v Speaker 4>it's an environment, Like I'm leaving in an environment so
<v Speaker 4>everyone can just paint. If you stop doing that, then
<v Speaker 4>people are gonna stop painting.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>If there's like a big problem.
<v Speaker 4>Now we're focused on this problem, then we have a
<v Speaker 4>like you know, loose it's expensive of thirty two people.
<v Speaker 4>We don't want to waste time, you know, that's important.
<v Speaker 4>And it was like day like saving time. We tried
<v Speaker 4>it in like December, so like at five you were done. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>it's different. Yeah, so we want to get to early
<v Speaker 4>stuff in the morning. But for me that was fun
<v Speaker 4>because I think it was a seven person crew. So
<v Speaker 4>it was a seven person crew. Yeah, we was locked in. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you only had seven seven people. It was me Janey,
<v Speaker 4>she was my right hand woman. She was staying up.
<v Speaker 4>We didn't go to sleep. We didn't go to sleep
<v Speaker 4>for three days. Judas Judas got so like he was
<v Speaker 4>locked in. I love you Judith. He really helped his
<v Speaker 4>project because like there was also goals that need to
<v Speaker 4>be done by everybody else, like to help out and
<v Speaker 4>making sure we get some footage.
<v Speaker 3>Like Judus was like, I'll do her scene.
<v Speaker 4>Like he got like probably like twelve people's like episode,
<v Speaker 4>which at one point I was looking at day two,
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I'm a little scared.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, Judas is clip dang. I was like,
<v Speaker 3>oh he ca' this.
<v Speaker 4>So Judas, Cody Jay, he was a second photographer, did
<v Speaker 4>a really amazing job as well my photographer James. He
<v Speaker 4>also helped with some video as well on moments when
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't done.
<v Speaker 3>With that.
<v Speaker 4>And then that was the main fight. Oh, my friend Riley,
<v Speaker 4>he helped out with some video as well, and he's
<v Speaker 4>like being a support system and being a good vibe.
<v Speaker 4>It makes you people were comfortable. Lexi came like the
<v Speaker 4>second day and he helped with food and is also
<v Speaker 4>being a comfort zone because it's a lot of people.
<v Speaker 4>So I kind of also just wanted people around to
<v Speaker 4>like keep good energy because I'm not gonna be able to.
<v Speaker 4>Like it started five people, so like, you know, there's
<v Speaker 4>section so you just gotta trust that people that you
<v Speaker 4>are in your group or you know, keeping the environment good.
<v Speaker 4>So it's him, I mean her now was seven and
<v Speaker 4>then James had two assistants so maybe okay, so that
<v Speaker 4>was nine, and then the d I T guy mixed ten.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah okay, so next time, would you have more people?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, because like I got
<v Speaker 4>it done. And even when I did the project, like
<v Speaker 4>I did it quick because I thought about the Riga's
<v Speaker 4>resort thing and I was like, I need to just
<v Speaker 4>do this, like I did it with in the month
<v Speaker 4>and my team was like, Yo, we're just going to
<v Speaker 4>do this. I was like it needs to be done
<v Speaker 4>because it needs to be done for me, so I
<v Speaker 4>know I can do it.
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you also too, how long
<v Speaker 2>pre production was. I'm thinking like months, no, no, for that.
<v Speaker 4>For the first one, it was like a month and
<v Speaker 4>it was honestly like three weeks because I remember me
<v Speaker 4>and Janay, we were like staying up. I was just
<v Speaker 4>like because I was also looking at the polls of
<v Speaker 4>the girls with what guys they wanted to work with,
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes like I was like, all right, cool, no,
<v Speaker 4>this will work better, but like she doesn't want to
<v Speaker 4>work with anything like so I was like boom boom
<v Speaker 4>boom boom, boom, boom boom. That was a really important
<v Speaker 4>part because I need to be clean, because I wanted
<v Speaker 4>to make sure you can just walk in and bang
<v Speaker 4>if I'm giving you problems that like I did because
<v Speaker 4>I didn't pre produce so or I fucked up and
<v Speaker 4>we're for messing the environment up. So I wanted to
<v Speaker 4>just walk in, have a nice little resort, chill, we've
<v Speaker 4>done everything, and have a good time.
<v Speaker 3>And I think we were able to make that happen.
<v Speaker 4>There was a couple of little switches and changes and
<v Speaker 4>stuff like that. Like I didn't really have an itinerator
<v Speaker 4>because all was just coming out of my head. So
<v Speaker 4>I was just saying the same thing over and over again,
<v Speaker 4>because that's something I'm I haven't always been great at,
<v Speaker 4>is like putting my mind my ideas into a piece
<v Speaker 4>of paper. I just like to just overly dictate to you.
<v Speaker 4>So like, you know, that's something that I'll work on.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that's one thing I.
<v Speaker 3>Know where you can Can I help you with that check.
<v Speaker 4>I've actually started using it for that alone. I was like,
<v Speaker 4>so good, let me just give you all my ideas.
<v Speaker 2>Just word vomit and ask them. I was like, oh shit,
<v Speaker 2>you it's incredible.
<v Speaker 3>Completed me. Yeah it's incredible.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, so next one, you know, so I'll have
<v Speaker 4>a properly tender y. But yeah, we got it done.
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know sleep and I was also performing, so
<v Speaker 4>like I was like, because like I wanted to make
<v Speaker 4>sure I can clean up and get episodes if need be,
<v Speaker 4>or like I'm also having faith and all these guys
<v Speaker 4>in the environment of like you got to make sure
<v Speaker 4>they have good days too, because if we have nine
<v Speaker 4>guys and like say two three of them are like
<v Speaker 4>this is a lot. Now we have six guys, fifteen girls,
<v Speaker 4>you know, six girls, a happy six girls, Like hey,
<v Speaker 4>so I want to do like a sex episode. I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>there's no guys, you know, so I'll definitely have more guys.
<v Speaker 4>There's more guys in the industry. I'm actually really excited
<v Speaker 4>for it because I plan to do them back to back.
<v Speaker 3>Now. I'm playing to do Resort two and Resort three,
<v Speaker 3>like bang bang.
<v Speaker 4>Do you know when you're gonna film I'm planning right
<v Speaker 4>now filming in September and November are at once in October.
<v Speaker 4>There's two ways I can do it because right now
<v Speaker 4>I'm in a pre production phase because there's a lot
<v Speaker 4>of people that were down to shoot it. I didn't
<v Speaker 4>know a lot of girls that saw the first one,
<v Speaker 4>and the people I've talked to were like yeah, and
<v Speaker 4>then the whole like pretty much the whole cast wants
<v Speaker 4>to like come back again and just like do it
<v Speaker 4>again because they love the results and how it worked
<v Speaker 4>for them and everything like that. So I'm all right, cool,
<v Speaker 4>I can't say no to that, and I don't want
<v Speaker 4>to say no to that. So yeah, there's many ways
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna do it. I can possibly do it, but
<v Speaker 4>I'm leaning towards now doing like Resort two and three
<v Speaker 4>back to back.
<v Speaker 3>Probably do a movie you do like a boom boom.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>At first, I was gonna have it where it's going
<v Speaker 4>to like sixty girls on that first day and be
<v Speaker 4>safe for work that first day and then day one
<v Speaker 4>the two it was very little complicated, but I was like,
<v Speaker 4>I think I needed like a little bit more of
<v Speaker 4>a cruit for that, because like, once you get past
<v Speaker 4>a certain number you need you need a solid amount
<v Speaker 4>of crews and stuff like that. And I used to
<v Speaker 4>want my crew to like They'll be like, what is it,
<v Speaker 4>what are you doing? Like yeah, it was like, come on,
<v Speaker 4>just spread it up. So are you going to have
<v Speaker 4>a bigger cru I'm still go have a bigger crew.
<v Speaker 4>I'm proably gonna have like two videographers, maybe another photographer
<v Speaker 4>for sure. The space that out a little bit, probably
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more pas because a lot of it
<v Speaker 4>more was just like.
<v Speaker 3>Moving and looking. Yeah, as you always need more pas.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but that's the scariest part because like, hey, we're
<v Speaker 4>in an environment of like there's probably be more girls
<v Speaker 4>now like twenty girls who are in like a frocious,
<v Speaker 4>like sexually comfortable environment where they're having sex with like
<v Speaker 4>maybe ten eleven guys throughout the day and then some
<v Speaker 4>people might mistake someone else's sexual energy as like a
<v Speaker 4>flirtation to them because they're just in a flirtatious mode.
<v Speaker 4>And then you got some like PA who's like maybe
<v Speaker 4>like the third or like the sixth PA, who are hired. Well,
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even really get that much of a conversation.
<v Speaker 4>And it's like blind faith, you know. That's what I
<v Speaker 4>think about, not that the same thing is gonna happen.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, they're like that, these guys.
<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, you gotta have like that serious conversation with them.
<v Speaker 4>But even then, like there's gonna be a moment where
<v Speaker 4>I'm not around, you know, it's like see people now
<v Speaker 4>or I'm all right, cool, wait where's with Willow?
<v Speaker 3>Where's that? Oh no? But also you gottaunderstand you got
<v Speaker 3>trust people.
<v Speaker 4>In the industry. I'm sure it will work out. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>but it's exciting project. I like stuff like this, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so it's you know, it's so it's great
<v Speaker 2>because I see how excited you get about it and
<v Speaker 2>like your enthusiasm for it, and it just makes me
<v Speaker 2>realize how burnt.
<v Speaker 3>Out and old I am, Like fu yeah, literally.
<v Speaker 2>That's the first thing that I thought I was like,
<v Speaker 2>if anyone came to me with this project and be like, absolutely,
<v Speaker 2>no way, do I ever want to work on something
<v Speaker 2>like that any other projects that you have in the future.
<v Speaker 4>Besides, yes, I have another site and this is gonna
<v Speaker 4>be my third baby, called sextapes dot Com, and on.
<v Speaker 3>That site I plan to start Where the fuck did
<v Speaker 3>you get that right? Yeah? Yeah, my gosh.
<v Speaker 4>Shout out to YPP because I believe with the success
<v Speaker 4>of Ricky's Room and Rickage Resort. When I approached him,
<v Speaker 4>just talking randomly about like because originally it was like
<v Speaker 4>three x'es because I looked at the price of sex tapes, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>and I said, I thought the two thousand was Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I looked at the price sex tapes.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, whoa, that's real number. Okay, cool, cool, cool.
<v Speaker 3>And then I was.
<v Speaker 4>Explaining the story of like how what I wanted the
<v Speaker 4>grand vision of sex tapes to the people from YPP,
<v Speaker 4>and I think randomly, I didn't even know he did this,
<v Speaker 4>but he had sent me the the sex tapes thing,
<v Speaker 4>like just with one X and then I clicked on
<v Speaker 4>it and it was just like a picture of me
<v Speaker 4>and him just chilling, and I was like, Okay, but
<v Speaker 4>he had bought the URL and that was his way
<v Speaker 4>of showing me by showing me the picture of me
<v Speaker 4>and him, and I was like, oh shit, and I
<v Speaker 4>was like, Wow, that's the that's love right there.
<v Speaker 2>That's the number in my head of what that probably was.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was a solid amount. I'm just I'm
<v Speaker 4>just very thankful for me. That's like belief in what
<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about and what I'm doing. So like it
<v Speaker 4>was like, yeah, it'll pay back in the future, and
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I think it really will, because I I
<v Speaker 4>think that's my most scalable site is sex tapes because
<v Speaker 4>for sex tapes, I'm gonna essentially just every single every
<v Speaker 4>single thing on my only fans I'm putting on sex
<v Speaker 4>tapes and just like having organized but it's not gonna
<v Speaker 4>be about me. I'm gonna start licensing other people's content.
<v Speaker 4>So if I see someone's content bruising Twitter or something
<v Speaker 4>like that, like hey, can I buy your content? You
<v Speaker 4>keep it, I'm just gonna put it on this site
<v Speaker 4>as well and promote you and just gonna continue to
<v Speaker 4>do that. And it's gonna be essentially probably like a
<v Speaker 4>it's gonna look like a tube site, but it's a
<v Speaker 4>paid site, so it's gonna that the tub site model works, but.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna use it in the pay site way.
<v Speaker 4>And the purpose of the site is to have community
<v Speaker 4>for their performers and like highlight them. So just like
<v Speaker 4>you know, carousel the performers and have a spot for them,
<v Speaker 4>you know, just another it's just having another place for
<v Speaker 4>performers to have their content and then also mind too,
<v Speaker 4>and then also just like another place to shoot different
<v Speaker 4>type of points. So that's more like the amateur circuit
<v Speaker 4>or just like not low production but just like.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like amateur like at home, like sex.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah easily, yeah tex tape, Like it's like an easy
<v Speaker 4>sex tape in the market. Bild of that is just insane,
<v Speaker 4>you know, like even things have already happened, Like everything
<v Speaker 4>in the past is a Ricky Johnson sex tape, you know,
<v Speaker 4>someone's first sex tape. You know, like there's so much
<v Speaker 4>I can do with that. So right now I'm handling
<v Speaker 4>her with care, you know, that's my little baby. I
<v Speaker 4>think around like September or like the end of this
<v Speaker 4>year is when I'll really start putting heavy and promotion
<v Speaker 4>of that. I really want to focus on Resort two
<v Speaker 4>and three, then go straight to sex tapes, and then
<v Speaker 4>Ricky's room is doing his thing, and then I'll just
<v Speaker 4>you know, I have my nice little family of three,
<v Speaker 4>and I have a couple more side ideas. But by
<v Speaker 4>that time, I think I'll have a proper team. Not
<v Speaker 4>that I'm a proper team now, but like I don't
<v Speaker 4>know more. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna spread out stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, what advice would you give to a young
<v Speaker 2>man male performer, any guy that like wants to expand
<v Speaker 2>more into production and like strengthening their brand in the way.
<v Speaker 3>That you have.
<v Speaker 4>I'd say it should be a passion. I don't think
<v Speaker 4>it needs to be a passion. I think it should
<v Speaker 4>be a passion. That's really good first step. I've been
<v Speaker 4>taking it seriously. I Mean, I love sex and a
<v Speaker 4>lot of stuff like that, but like I don't I
<v Speaker 4>think some people are like super horny and they lose
<v Speaker 4>sight sometimes, like they're like carried by sex or carried
<v Speaker 4>by that, you know, because the industry is like you know, sex,
<v Speaker 4>drugs and all that fame, all stuff that is are
<v Speaker 4>so sometimes people might shoot to that.
<v Speaker 3>But I think it's just, uh, it's like any.
<v Speaker 4>Career, Like if you want to be a basketball player,
<v Speaker 4>like you know that it's hard work and everybody could
<v Speaker 4>be a basketball player, and like even even getting in
<v Speaker 4>the field of basketball player, there's basketball players that are
<v Speaker 4>like the damn, I'm here, but like I'm not playing,
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm at the place where no one else is here,
<v Speaker 4>but even then I'm not playing. And then you might
<v Speaker 4>get to that level of like comfortability, like you know
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna get like if you're getting to that state
<v Speaker 4>where you're trying to elevate, elevate, there's gonna be.
<v Speaker 3>A point where you're comfortable.
<v Speaker 4>And then when you get to that comfortable state, you
<v Speaker 4>if you start navigating comfortably, then that's just where, in
<v Speaker 4>my opinion, you're going to be at. You got to
<v Speaker 4>have that same hunger you had when you weren't comfortable
<v Speaker 4>when you are comfortable, and you use that same drive,
<v Speaker 4>Like I still stay up late at nights for a
<v Speaker 4>certain situations the projects when I can get to an
<v Speaker 4>hour of sleep comfortably, and you know, and I'll be fine,
<v Speaker 4>I'll be good, you know, but I I treat everything
<v Speaker 4>like you know, I it's the last last thing I have.
<v Speaker 4>So you's got to be passionate about it.
<v Speaker 2>You're only as good as like your last project. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>your last movie is.
<v Speaker 4>Say so I try to say the next thing is
<v Speaker 4>the best thing and then go from there.
<v Speaker 2>What about guys who just want to get into the
<v Speaker 2>porn industry in general?
<v Speaker 4>So for me, yeah, all the time. So when I
<v Speaker 4>this is how I got into the industry. There's a
<v Speaker 4>bunch of agencies nowadays. I mean now it's like there's
<v Speaker 4>so many ways. But the most I would say common
<v Speaker 4>way that works. There are agencies. I'll name a few.
<v Speaker 4>Uh is promo for people, I guess. So there is
<v Speaker 4>what I run a model service. Funny enough, me and
<v Speaker 4>my friend Janey. If you go to the model service
<v Speaker 4>dot com, we have a string of models. We don't
<v Speaker 4>take commission. We just I do it for the love
<v Speaker 4>of game. And yeah, so you can maybe apply from there. Uh,
<v Speaker 4>there's OC Modeling, there's at MLA, there's one on one,
<v Speaker 4>there is Next Level, there's East Coast.
<v Speaker 3>There's Spiegler for girls only. Yeah, it's gonna say like this,
<v Speaker 3>not everybody takes everybody takes guys too.
<v Speaker 4>But there's a couple I think OC Modeling, Hussey ATMLA,
<v Speaker 4>one on one those are the four main ones I think.
<v Speaker 4>Take guys, I think East Coast and Next Level. So
<v Speaker 4>go to those sites and then there's a session that
<v Speaker 4>says be a model or something like that. They all
<v Speaker 4>look at those so off bat you know, it's very
<v Speaker 4>like every I would say, try all seven because like
<v Speaker 4>six of them might be like and then one of
<v Speaker 4>them might be like heay, and then that's a shot
<v Speaker 4>right there. And then with that approach, uh, you'll get
<v Speaker 4>a call sheet one day, you'll go to set and
<v Speaker 4>then you'll have to just like kind of like be
<v Speaker 4>in a helicopter unless you can like reach out, maybe
<v Speaker 4>reach out to male performers that you.
<v Speaker 3>See and then maybe they'll reply.
<v Speaker 4>The thing that's hard about that is like this is
<v Speaker 4>an industry where people feel like if you're coming in
<v Speaker 4>the industry and you have a look and if you
<v Speaker 4>kind of fit the model, then may be like, oh shit,
<v Speaker 4>this guy's gonna take my job.
<v Speaker 3>Let me let me not tell him.
<v Speaker 4>I've seen that so many so you've got to get
<v Speaker 4>past that, like, and that's use the people with the
<v Speaker 4>most egos are the ones that are successful that don't want.
<v Speaker 3>Someone to take their their spot.
<v Speaker 4>So it's just like it's tough, but if you really
<v Speaker 4>want it really bad enough, you'll get it, in my opinion,
<v Speaker 4>So if you're looking to just get laid, this might
<v Speaker 4>not be the spot for you. Will you will, you
<v Speaker 4>will know if you want it bad enough, if you
<v Speaker 4>want to bad enough that we can get deep.
<v Speaker 3>We can get deep if you want to.
<v Speaker 2>You know, certain guys want to play basketball professionally, but
<v Speaker 2>if they're for porn, starve you know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. It's fair.
<v Speaker 4>And most of the people that are trying to be
<v Speaker 4>a porn aren't theold They're like, it's fair. Well, there's
<v Speaker 4>the thing. The thing about porn, though, is there is
<v Speaker 4>a length, like because they have the G League, they
<v Speaker 4>have the euro League, they have other leagues with porn,
<v Speaker 4>we have that levels because essentially anybody that picks up
<v Speaker 4>a camera and over the age I wouldn't will say
<v Speaker 4>twenty one.
<v Speaker 3>For purposes of just like you know, I don't even
<v Speaker 3>like anyone's twenty two.
<v Speaker 4>People twenty one years older pick up a camera, have
<v Speaker 4>sex and they post it on like a site or
<v Speaker 4>like online on Twitter. Essentially, they're now a part of
<v Speaker 4>the community essentially, and they do it, they do it
<v Speaker 4>three four times, and they get a couple of views.
<v Speaker 4>They're pretty much a part of the community.
<v Speaker 2>And then they think they can walk through red carpetge exactly.
<v Speaker 4>And that's the thing about porn that makes it look
<v Speaker 4>so difficult. If that same person does some crazy shit, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>that's the news article that's picked up, and they're gonna
<v Speaker 4>say porn star does.
<v Speaker 3>Some crazy shit. Yeah, and you're like, that guy didn't. Like, no,
<v Speaker 3>one's never seen that person. We don't know whouse. There's
<v Speaker 3>not like a.
<v Speaker 4>Test that you pass, like get in. It's like, oh yeah, vagina, yeah, clear,
<v Speaker 4>you know. And so that's that's a problem in itself
<v Speaker 4>when it comes to that.
<v Speaker 3>So NBA doesn't have that.
<v Speaker 4>It's not you pick up a basketball, you know, I'm
<v Speaker 4>a I'm a basketball player. Yeah. So that's why a
<v Speaker 4>world tougher is that, you know why, I think something
<v Speaker 4>that maybe the mainstream scene can be like, if you're
<v Speaker 4>considered a mainstream performer, then we can dictate the porn
<v Speaker 4>star stuff. I don't know, maybe there should be a
<v Speaker 4>levels just so we can help relegate the industry.
<v Speaker 3>But that's I don't know, I.
<v Speaker 2>Know it's a hard conversation, right because now there's the
<v Speaker 2>porn star versus creator conversation.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you don't want to take away from acause you're
<v Speaker 4>creating your creator. It's like I guess with the YouTube nowadays,
<v Speaker 4>if you pick up a camera, you're now a YouTuber,
<v Speaker 4>you know, and it works you have your own.
<v Speaker 2>And also too, because creators are also competing so big.
<v Speaker 2>Like look like girth Master, who said on a little
<v Speaker 2>while ago, like he's never done a professional porn scene.
<v Speaker 2>He's going to and we all know who he's going
<v Speaker 2>to shoot for, even though he tries to fucking keep
<v Speaker 2>it secret.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not stupid.
<v Speaker 2>Ricky's laughing too because we know anyways. But yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he's he's huge. So it's like because
<v Speaker 2>the creator economy has gotten so big and now there's
<v Speaker 2>like and.
<v Speaker 3>It's a lane for future porn stars.
<v Speaker 4>It's a good thing because you pick up a camera,
<v Speaker 4>like we all like that and then bang, now they're mainstream.
<v Speaker 3>Is like, hey, come with up. You know.
<v Speaker 4>So the same thing though, is that you pick a camera.
<v Speaker 4>It was like, yeah, it's got an asshole, Like what
<v Speaker 4>the fuck? Like, yeah, get away from us, because like
<v Speaker 4>all the people I mean are maybe most, but a
<v Speaker 4>lot of the people who have been ostracized for being
<v Speaker 4>like shitheads are like really bad people. They won't work
<v Speaker 4>in the mainstream, like essentially they're like blacklisted, but they
<v Speaker 4>can still pick up a camera and go have sex
<v Speaker 4>with someone and then have their own fan base. So
<v Speaker 4>that's where it gets shitty, where you can still see
<v Speaker 4>someone that's like this this the mainstream world. We're never
<v Speaker 4>going to shoot that guy, but he has the ability
<v Speaker 4>to run game on someone who doesn't like who have
<v Speaker 4>no idea what the history of that person is, have
<v Speaker 4>a whole scene, boom bom boom, have a whole thing,
<v Speaker 4>and then once that person sees and it's like, oh shit,
<v Speaker 4>I didn't like how come no one told me? If
<v Speaker 4>it's like no one knew that was even happening. So
<v Speaker 4>there's so many levels that like that. If that can
<v Speaker 4>get cleaned up a little bit, then yeah, we can
<v Speaker 4>start talking. But that itself is probably one of the hugest.
<v Speaker 3>Issues that we have, like how do you separate.
<v Speaker 4>Because the day, no matter what, whoever, all the people
<v Speaker 4>that get ostrized, they have the ability to still have
<v Speaker 4>a platform.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yes, yeah, I know it gets it gets complicated, right,
<v Speaker 2>I would say, no one asked me, but I would say,
<v Speaker 2>like what Ricky said, just you can either apply to
<v Speaker 2>agencies or do your own content and post it on
<v Speaker 2>porn Hub.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you know that'll get you like views.
<v Speaker 4>All right, I'm also a porn Hub ambassador, so I
<v Speaker 4>need to say this.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, if you are here, I am doing his job. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you remind me give me his job?
<v Speaker 4>No? No, no, So that's how you was so, you know,
<v Speaker 4>saying yeah, join porn Hub, reach out to me, and
<v Speaker 4>I will make sure you're good to go.
<v Speaker 3>But you don't even have to reach out to me.
<v Speaker 4>You can go on Point up and figure out reach
<v Speaker 4>out to me like hey, who then reach.
<v Speaker 3>Out to me after or after so.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't, I can't.
<v Speaker 3>Guys, you can get on.
<v Speaker 4>Please don't please don't call me like hey, so what's
<v Speaker 4>the way, because I have a lot of ford then
<v Speaker 4>please leave me alone.
<v Speaker 3>But that is a way.
<v Speaker 4>That is a huge way nowadays is Point Up because,
<v Speaker 4>like you know, also, the industry is brutal, and if
<v Speaker 4>you do care about numbers and like fan bases sometimes
<v Speaker 4>of like audiences, like you can't put yourself out there and.
<v Speaker 3>Just wait and see if the audience takes to you know.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean, the world will let you know.
<v Speaker 3>The world will let you know.
<v Speaker 4>That's and that's what I don't even want to talk
<v Speaker 4>about that because the world is so mean. The world
<v Speaker 4>will let you'll let you know.
<v Speaker 3>You know, so.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well, Ricky thinking, thanks so much for coming on.
<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy for all of your success. You're really
<v Speaker 2>like one of my favorite people in the industry. You're
<v Speaker 2>such a nice guy, You're so professional, You're just like
<v Speaker 2>you're just a really good person. And I love to
<v Speaker 2>see wonderful things happen to wonderful people.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm very happy for you.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, we out here, baby, see good for the industry.
<v Speaker 4>I feel like you know both of us.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do have some questions for you from our
<v Speaker 2>Patreon members, so we're going to do that in a
<v Speaker 2>separate segment, So if you are a Patreon member, you
<v Speaker 2>will be able to access that. In the meantime, Ricky,
<v Speaker 2>can you tell everyone where they can find you online?
<v Speaker 3>Please?
<v Speaker 4>You can find me online at Instagram and x Ricky Behavior.
<v Speaker 4>Also it's Ricky's room and also Ricky's resort.
<v Speaker 2>And then you guys can find me of course, on
<v Speaker 2>X and Instagram at Holly Randall. Join my Patreon of course,
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys so much for joining us. I'll see
<v Speaker 2>in the next one.
<v Speaker 3>H