Contreras chucks bat, Royce Lewis remarks, Phillies flop, Cal hits 50!

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Speaker 1: Day two in Alabama at the Pro. Look we've leveled up.

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Speaker 2: Look behind you, I can't I can't turn my head. Okay, well that's true. Behind AJ is the Pro. It's a really nice sign. It's large, very instagram friendly. Get your a's requests.

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Speaker 3: You need to move that way a little bit though.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, you got it, director, So we'll have some chats with some former ball players. You want to move my computer, yeah.

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Speaker 4: If you're gluten free, waters knock my mic off. But see, that's why I don't want to turn my head.

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Speaker 1: That's how we start a show. Krat's good to see you. We miss you. It's it's actually not as hot as some people warned us about.

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Speaker 5: That, isn't that. I'm fine at home. I don't want to. I don't want to hang out on the golf course with a bunch of ex celebrity professional athletes and AJ.

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Speaker 1: You got too much sun in the last few weeks. You were down the shore, down the shore for two weeks. So we're just giving you a break inside and the air conditioning real quick before we start, because we're not gonna have time for this. But maybe we'll get him on next week. You know who player of the Week was in the American.

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Speaker 3: League, Kyraw.

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Speaker 1: Actually, no, we're gonna talk about him later. Then he passed Quentinosa last week.

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Speaker 3: I'll see him on Saturday, so I'll make sure that he comes on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, te him. We said hellout last week. Six homers in seven games. That's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There's apparently a whole storyline with pass Quentino rumored. I haven't maybe there's articles about it. I haven't heard him on the record speak specifically to this, but we'll ask him about it. Where he was working on his swing speed and then his swing was getting a little his timing was off because he was too early. Then he tried to slow the swing speed down and then that worked.

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Speaker 4: But past Quentino, he's always been able to hit right ever since he was probably so he never had a prop that speed. So why are we now telling a guy he needs to swing faster when he's hitting the ball.

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Speaker 3: Fine, he was.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many homers he hit last year, but it was a fairly decent amount of homers he hit last year. Was in it at least in the twenties, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: I believe so. Plus the Ribbies I mean the overall numbers were I don't know what This year is great. I mean, now he's back on track. Is seven ninety eight ops, one twenty ops plus last year was one fourteen. So this is a jump up, jump up from last week, last year nineteen twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing fine.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight homers. But he did nothing for a couple months, and then he's been one of the best hitters in baseball for the last couple months.

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Speaker 3: Stick with what you're doing, kid, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's working. So we'll try and get him pretty soon. But let's talk about the other team in the state of Missouri charge time. All right, guys, I'm gonna let you run with this. We're talking about a catcher and Wilson Contreras who lost his cool, got kicked out of the ball game last night and ended up getting so heated that he tossed his bat or chucked it, depending on how you look at things. Towards the ump, ended up hitting his hitting coach Brent Brown. He's like, I want you to hit, not that way. And then he also went into the dugout tossed the gum.

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Speaker 4: I was not gonna tight you. There's a major difference whatever. Anyway, it's not whatever, that's a huge difference.

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Speaker 1: My main question is is he okay? Because this is a freak out that looked like he was possessed and he's gonna get some trouble here.

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Speaker 4: Here's my question. The pitch was a strike. First of all, Let's let's just say it wasn't even really borderline. It was a pretty solid strike. And what Wilson said was I said, you need to call it both ways. For us, he had to have said more than that, I'm sorry, like that, that's not an auto toss there, and he's not a catcher anymore so once he he's fighting for his pictures, which I like. But man, but then the question Cratsy is why is he throwing the bat at all? Like, even if he's throwing it at the umpire and Brent Brown's face got in the way of it, why are we throwing the bat at all?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: What has there ever been a point where you're like, I'm gonna chuck my bat at the umpire? Like, unless you're Delman Young, right, I don't remember anybody ever throwing their bat at an umpire.

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Speaker 3: Just a new trend? Is this a new trend?

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Speaker 4: Though with Roblade throwing his bat at the picture. Now Control's thone it at the umpire.

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Speaker 5: It like many trends. I would like that to stop, if it's a trend. Delman Young threw it at the umpire. He was a replacement umpire. Doesn't mean he should have done it, but no, I've never wanted to throw my bat at somebody. I've you know, I've seen the take your your jersey off on the field, lay your bat down at the plate and be like, well, hey you you swing. You know you're taking the bat out of my hands kind of thing. But he freaked out. Sometimes I wonder like, oh, you know, wait till you get in my way kind of thing. I'm glad Ali Marmle held him back there. I don't know what he would have done. I would have loved have known what the umpire said, but we'll never know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but here's the thing. Will Macntreres, when he gets into issues, will lay out what happened afterward Home played umpire Derek Thomas was going back and forth with him a little bit, so I'm like, oh, maybe he said something that really got him, like something personal from what I saw from postgame quotes, nothing there. Wilson would tell you if he said something that was completely out of line or a personal attack. It seemed like he just was pissed at a called strike. That was a called strike. It was a strike, and then was pissed that he got tossed from the game. I'm like, Okay, you can't do that.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't, you can't.

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Speaker 4: You can't go that postal like you're going postal on a pitch that was a good pitch.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I guess this is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but listen, Wilson Contrerez has been a good player, but there's been moments like this, right Kratz where he's kind of just lost. We've all lost our cool as players before, but man, this one was just this was And then I want to know what Bran Brown said, because he's the one that took the back to the face.

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Speaker 1: What was your intent there? You went? I mean, when he threw it like this, yeah, but still like it wasn't like it doesn't like a little toss in the air.

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Speaker 4: Still threw it back toward And if you watch the replay, Bran Brown is here and the umpire's behind him, so he was throwing it at the umpire.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's gonna get a lengthy one for this one.

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Speaker 1: Brown's not in the way, Kratz, And we're showing it again right now. If you're listening to the pot obviously you should check this out. Kratz. What if Bran Brown is not in the way and that thing hits the yump even if it's lightly hitting him in the chest or the face. I mean, you threw a bat at an umpire? Is that not twenty thirty game suspension?

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Speaker 5: I mean, well, then, why is Victor Roblace only ten? Why is Victor ro Blake pitcher? Umpires are umpires are better than pictures, and Victor Roblace has had some serious intent. Wilson's was it wasn't. It wasn't like a crazy toss at the at the umpire. But so it's a different standard, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Different standards. Yes, Yes, I don't know if you're saying it to us.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying it to both. It's a different standard because they put umpires. No, I did have to say yes on the phone call. And also I say yes to the fact that, yes, there is a different standard because MLB wants the umpires to be held at a different level than something else. They need to be respected, and that's what MLB does. But my question is I saw Victor Robos playing. He must be appealing his ten games suspension.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I know, I know.

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Speaker 4: What are they gonna be like, Hey, you didn't really mean to throw it that hard at the picture, so you're only gonna get nine games.

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Speaker 5: It might be eight, he might get eight.

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Speaker 4: You know how the the MLB should have gone like twenty and then said, oh you're worse are You'll get ten?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Because if they knock it down, that's a dangerous precedent to stuff for throwing a back dude to be like I need a ten day break. I'll chuck my bat for pay for ten days on my hamm. He's a little sore. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Delman Young threw a bat he got fifty and got fifty games in the minor leagues. I'm pulling up the clip right now. I mean, at some point we can show it Toty Miller catching too fifty games. Yeah, I didn't hear anything or we didn't see anything with bat chucking for a long time.

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Speaker 4: And was the last guy I can remember that through his bat at somebody remember after the whole Donaldson thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, he kind of brute tossed it towards third, right, Yeah, and that what it was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he tried to throw the picture because they were they were throwing at him, and I think he just held onto it too long. But that'd be a that'd be a many question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how many games if your commissioner and.

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Speaker 3: He's got to get at least ten?

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Speaker 1: This is what the commissioner role was really made for. Back in the day. They were like, we need to settle things like this. It wasn't always you know, the boss and the minion for the owners. It was hey, let's make sure that this game is played correctly and that major issues don't occur, and one person is able to make a decision like this that knows the game. Really well, what should the commissioner do.

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Speaker 4: It's got to be ten. At least, it's got to be ten. You just set the precedent for throwing about at ten. This has got to be tenka, right, it got at least you know I'm saying it's yeah, well, at least that that was a given part of.

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Speaker 1: They usually protect the yumps. I actually think they protect them more than the players. Yes, that is a different story. But you know, Kratz, if he was pissed at the picture and when I after him and got into a fight, it's different from if he's going after the ump trying to make physical contact.

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Speaker 5: I agree, but they're kind of putting that in the realm of it's in the game throwing a bat Victor ro Blas, Throwing a bat at a pitcher, to me, is the same as throwing a bat at an umpire. Like Victor ro Blas was more malicious. I think they're gonna get the same I think he'll get ten games, but I think the malicious intent of roe Blase was was definitely there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and you know, the season's done for the Cardinals and all that.

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Speaker 4: For the most part, the smallest, smallest crowd they've ever had. Yeah, a new Bush last night under twenty thousand, first time ever. Seventeen thousand paid, which means it was less than that. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. In five years they'll have the next version of Roman Anthony. Who else, what do you mean him Bloom's taking over?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Brssela Meyer, Christian Campbell, Christian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: I mean the who take three, Jared Rant.

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Speaker 1: They'll take a few.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who else today? Who else?

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Speaker 5: To day?

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Speaker 3: Wong Connor Wong. He was part of the.

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Speaker 5: Sedanel will your Brave?

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Speaker 1: There you go. We will talk to Ken Rosenthal coming up in a moment and get to a bunch of topics with Ken. There's more drama to cover later on. There's a story from the weekend. We didn't have time for yesterday, but I want to get to it. It's the Royce Lewis explanation on what's gone wrong with his season, and it's certainly gaining some headlines and some traction krats. If you need to pay rent for your apartment and you're not getting anything for it, then you probably haven't heard of Built.

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Speaker 3: For next year.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we're back on let's read this tweek. Ron Washington said it was a quadruple bypass. That's why he's out for the rest of the season. We learned that a couple months ago. But he'll be fully medically cleared in December, and he wants to keep managing. So he said he's eating healthier and he quit smoking.

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Speaker 5: No way.

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Speaker 1: Was what's hard?

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Speaker 3: What is wash gonna do all game?

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Speaker 1: Chew gum?

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Speaker 4: I guess I don't know. I love washed, Wash get better. The game is better when you're involved in it.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Where are the angel is going to be? Though? It crats? I mean, that's the factor too, same place, but like they're moving, is moving invited back?

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Speaker 3: He was on a two year contract, so his contracts up.

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Speaker 1: I think his contracts up, and I mean paramination. I think does a nice job given the circumstances. But really then he doesn't do a nice job because the team's not good. So I know it's not his his decision on a lot of things, but that doesn't mean that the owner won't say and start again. Well, I love wash, we're thinking about him. I'm just in all seriousness, I'm I guess he's definitely gonna be managing the Angels. Prediction crats.

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Speaker 4: They'll use the yes well if he's not under contract, they'll use the health excuse. And who's the manager now.

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Speaker 1: Ray Montgomery? I don't think. I don't think them either, But fuck fuck.

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Speaker 5: Okay, they're gonna get one more scoff with this young core. Okay, that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. Did you guys see this Royce Lewis story from the weekend. I wanted to make sure we had time for this. So Royce Lewis has really struggled Since August first of last year. He's been one of the worst hitters in baseball.

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Speaker 3: But he doesn't go into slumps.

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Speaker 4: I remember he said that, Remember that one of the worst I don't remember he said that.

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Speaker 1: It was a confident quote. It was a really nice kid.

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Speaker 4: This is why baseball players are really good at complaining and not saying a lot of stuff, because they don't want when they're going good to go away, and then they know as soon as anything goes wrong, then people bring up quotes from the past. So I had no problem with him saying it. I love the confidence, but at the same time, now shows like you Scott, people like you were gonna bring it up.

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Speaker 1: Now I didn't bring that up. You brought that up. I'm bringing up to fresh stuff.

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Speaker 3: You have to tape.

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Speaker 1: It's worth listening to. It's He said he feels like he's kind of on an island and trying to figure things out on his own right now. He hasn't felt comfortable all year, and then gets into stats and how changing things could affect arbitration. He said, it's also hard to make a full in season adjustment because you can try that in those thirty games or at bats of trial go towards your stats. Do you really want to sacrifice that and if it doesn't work, then you go back to what you were doing before. It's always hard. I know Michael Harris just did a significant change. Being under contract probably helps because he knows what he's making that year and the year after. For someone like me, I'm fighting to take care of myself and my family. I don't want to put any of those stats in jeopardy. I'm trying to do what's best as fast as possible, but feeling like I've been on an island, it's kind of tough. Also, I just want to note that it's not like he's done nothing. He has been working with the crew on slowing down his hands, adding length back to his swing, which is actually a combo we had earlier in the show. But take all of that and tell me how we should perceive it and how teammates and even media are perceiving what he said.

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Speaker 4: He's being honest and we want people that are honest, and he's being honest because this is what remember I talked about this last week.

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Speaker 3: This is how.

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Speaker 4: Players are looking at a Players that are more statistical driven, whether it's through their agents or through being just smarter about baseball, and they know more about this and we've learned more about arbitration and what teams look for and what they want and how you make money. And so he's saying, I'm not willing to give up those thirty at bats because it might cost me down the road. It's a bad look, but I can't fault them. I can't fault him for saying this.

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Speaker 3: He's being honest. We want everyone to be honest. He's being honest.

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Speaker 4: It's a weird look because we've never really heard anybody say it like this before. So I think that's why people are saying, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's he saying. But at the same time, if those thirty at bats help you for the next five years of your career, those thirty of bats are worth it. So it's just it's a strange thing because you've never heard anybody.

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Speaker 3: Say it like this.

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Speaker 5: Is he wrong?

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Speaker 3: I said, he's not wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm agreeing with you, like he's he's not wrong. Like this is something that every player has to deal with. Nobody ever says, hey, you know what you need to make an out so that the you know, so that you can get better. No, during the times that you're making changes, there is a learning curve. Sometimes you make a change, and it's usually a change is that stick and you get it bang right away. Sometimes you don't, and he probably, I'm going to go ahead and guess never until about a year and a half ago, had gone through a slump. That's why you say things like you said, he's never gone through struggles. You never hit. A time to struggle at the big leies is a tough time to do it. The part for me where he added in like, well, a guy like Michael Harris he has he has stability, He has the ability to make changes part way through a season because you know, his contract isn't in limbo. That's the reality. That's ninety five percent of people in big league baseball. You do not get a guaranteed contract like Michael Harris at the time. Michael Harris got it when you're still learning to play in the big leagues. Michael Harris made the change. He knows he's not a finished product. He wanted to do better. Everybody goes through this. So for him to be like, well, you know, maybe it was a shot at the Twins organization for not extending him. Maybe it was frustration from him he's not doing well, so those numbers he's taking to arbitration aren't going to be that great because one of the biggest numbers in arbitration is staying on the field and he hasn't been able to do that. And when he does do it, I think his numbers are going to go up and he's going to start to hit more home runs and RBIs and all the good things.

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Speaker 1: There are two hundred and two hitters with at least four hundred and fifty played appearance since its late appearances since August first of last year. Royce Lewis ranks one to eighty ninth and average eighty fifth in ops, so he's towards the bottom of Aaron Gleeman was very critical. He's been on our show frequently covering the twins. He said, here's the thing, it was hasn't worked at all, So he said, got some can't blame him for looking out for himself. Replies to this, which isn't surprising.

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Speaker 4: No, but it worked before that for him. Yeah, he remember, he was like the best. Yeah, this guy just get on the field. He's like the best player in the game.

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Speaker 1: But this is why sometimes fans and our show will be like, oh, lock him up. That's an extension guy, though I don't remember us saying it's specifically about him because of the injuries and the twins, and many teams would have a reply of wait and see, you're allowed to do that. You have a player under team control for six seven years. Yes, you're you have the right as a team part of the collective bargaining agreement to let a player go year to year and make sure that he is worthy of a long term deals. Like krat said, most guys don't get the extension, and it doesn't extension.

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Speaker 3: Very few guys that get an extension.

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Speaker 4: That's why when they're guys are extended like a basaioh, like a Roman Anthony, like a Christian Campbell. That's why we talk about it so much, because it doesn't happen for everybody.

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Speaker 1: They do risk analysis. Also a lot of this factors on age. Why, because the younger you are in free agency, the more you get paid. It is that simple. They work very strictly every front office on an agent curve Kratz. So it's a very different conversation when you're talking about Roman Anthony or Samuel Bissio versus Royce Lewis who. I don't remember what his rookie season was, but it was probably twenty three or something like that. And even that little difference of two years makes a huge difference in free agency, makes.

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Speaker 5: A huge difference. Is twenty twenty two he was twenty three years old, It makes a huge difference. Everybody wants an extension when I was thirty six. I wanted an extension when I was thirty Like, everybody wants that stability, but you have to be able to play through that instability of I don't know if I'm going to stay in the big leagues or I don't know if this swing change is going to make me an All star or just kind of a average player in the big leagues. Those are decisions you have to make as a player, and that can be the selfish part of the game. It's a team game played by individuals.

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Speaker 1: How would teams or teammates take this? Do they care?

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Speaker 3: Not really.

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Speaker 4: There'll be a guy or two that'll say something, But other than that, not really, because guys know that he's right.

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Speaker 3: On a level, there's guys that know.

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Speaker 4: Again, it goes back to what I said last week when I said, guys don't want to do this or that because they know, because guys are more educated now is what to get some paid. And they were raised on this, They were raised on analytics. They were raised on these things. And agents are in their ear all the time saying, hey, you got to do this better. How many times have I mean, I think it was Francisco Lindor or somebody. I don't know if it was him, so I could be wrong here that said I need to improve my defense or no, it's Korea, Korea, remember the one years like, oh, I need to reprove my range factors so I can make more money. So you just went out and tried to improve his range defensively because that was the way he was told he'd make more money.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys have actually done that. Outfielders, guys know this stuff decade now. Have moved back because the defensive metrics were favoring you if you moved back right, telling you to cover more guys behind.

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Speaker 4: Guys now know the answers to the to the puzzle. The puzzle is now kind of solvable, right, It's like the rivers cub the guys can go. It's kind of solvable now because there's so many years of data that they can say, all right, if you do this, if you do this, it gets you paid more.

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Speaker 3: And guys now know that.

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Speaker 4: Agents now know that, so they tell their guys, hey, this offseason, you're going into your first RB er. If you really do this and improve this, you'll make a million or two. More guys are like, okay, I gotta do that right, oh, because listen, I know this. I had hitting coaches come up to me and say, all right, we're gonna give up in a bad or two or three because I need you to do this. If you take it at bad and you say I'm gonna hit a ground ball to short. As a left handed hitter, that means I'm inside the ball on top hit a ground ball to short. Now, sometimes you'd actually get a hit. You'd hit like a missile somewhere because you're just thinking about like all right, get in out of it, hit down on it, boom, stay through it. And then and then it was like oh it clicks again, and you're like oho, everyone has a key, right, So whatever that key is for Royce Lewis, maybe he hasn't found it for a while, so he's searching, but he also doesn't want to give up. But it could be one at back cratch, you know, it could be one at beat. It didn't have to be thirty at bats. Someone could tell you something. And I used to tell the hitting coaches all the time, just tell me something, dude. If I'm struggling, just make some up because it gets my mind thinking about something else and what I was thinking about. Oh, you're pulling your head stepping in the bucket, and then I'm thinking about my feet instead of my swing and.

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Speaker 3: Boom, oh wow, look at that work. You're a genius coach.

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Speaker 5: Yep. Hitting coaches are flot or psychologists. That's it. They're they're getting you to be in a right mindset so that when you do get a hit. Ooh, that's what worked. Everybody's story is different. Obviously I have more minor league stories than AJ does, but he struggled with the same things in the big leagues. Oh, I got to do this to try to keep from pulling off. In two thousand, I won Player of the Month for the league in April. Now it's freaking freezing in New Hampshire. You're in Double A. You're like, whoa, I'm twenty four years old. This is awesome. Double A only one step away from the big leagues. Triple A is the only thing I'm coming for. And the hitting coach told me, congratulations, if you want to hit in the big leagues, it'll never work. And I was like, what will never work? It's like you're swinging, it'll never work. And I'm like, okay, fine, and I listened to him. I ended up hitting two h five that year in Double A, and I was like, crap, I shouldn't have listened. But it was a learning moment for me. It was learning in the sense that I have to do what I have to do to be able to have success. And that can sound selfish or because the fact that I ended up playing Chiles forty maybe it was the smart thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Hmm.

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Speaker 4: It's your career, though, it's every player. This is the hardest thing for players to learn. It's your career.

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Speaker 1: But the argument from a tweet and many others is you are not an average hitter right now at a year period where you're one of the worst in baseball.

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Speaker 4: It's you try your career. Your He's probably tried a million different things that we don't know about.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, And they did list some things here.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing. It's your career at the end of the day. Ultimately, you have to make a decision. Every coach, every especially in the minor leagues, wants to put their stamp on you and say, oh I helped I helped Scott Braun.

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Speaker 3: Be a better hitter.

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Speaker 4: Oh I helped Aircrafts be a better hitter. Oh I help this guy I helped. Look at me how much I helped them? Right, But there are also things where guys tell you stuff and you know it doesn't it's not going to work for you, and you just go yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, actually I tried this, and you just do.

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Speaker 3: The same thing.

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Speaker 4: You're like, yeah that worked, dude, that was awesome, thank you. Right, not saying that's right or wrong, but at the end of the day, it's your career and you have to make those decisions on a personal level. And there are times Listen, I have plenty of coaches that were like, hey, try this, try hitting right hand, to try being a pitcher, try playing the outfield. I'm like, no, no, that's gonna work for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:24:56
Speaker 1: The person that's going to care most about you is you.

00:25:00
Speaker 4: You, yep, and listen, you make mistakes. Sometimes there are things that I look back, I said, man if I would have tried that or that, But at the end of the day, it's on you and it's your career and it's your decision. Sing with an agent, we talk about this when the extensions and the agents right the agent were At the end of the day, agents work for the players, although sometimes agents think that the player worked for them.

00:25:18
Speaker 3: But the if the if the team comes to you.

00:25:19
Speaker 4: And you want us, and you're happy with the extension or you're happy with the thing, then take it, because at the end of the day, it's not about the agent, it's about you. Any of the agent says you can make more, you know what, I'm happy with whatever I got and whatever. If I love money on the table, oh well, I made the decision for me and my family, not for my agent and his family.

00:25:36
Speaker 5: So yep, ask Matt Dominga. Is that people haven't heard of, don't remember them.

00:25:43
Speaker 1: Some But what happened, Oh, because he turned down.

00:25:46
Speaker 5: Turned down extensions. Yeah, when the astros were giving out all those small extensions, he turned one down. Never made that much money. He regrets it because at the time he was like I thought I could make more. I think he had just hit twenty homers in the big leagues in a shortened season. Twenty one homers. Yeah, twenty one homers. He's like, I can do that for late the next three years. That'll be easy. It doesn't always work out. It is your career. Nobody's stopping games because somebody's not doing well. You're gonna play again. Every team's going to play one hundred and sixty two the next year.

00:26:26
Speaker 1: One other quote, Sorry, I'm getting wrecked by ants right now. Did you guys see Mookie Betts on the bite back about right field.

00:26:36
Speaker 3: Uh no, what he says is not happening.

00:26:39
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is fine. But he said people are making stuff up. Somebody's in there trying to be the first to report a story of their own. It's completely false. I go in there to talk with Dave Roberts. Me and Doc have this mentor of father son relationship. I talked to him all the time about my swinging and how it's coming along, and this and that and the other. So somebody in there was just kind of guessing and making stuff up. So whoever made that up, you need to be careful with what you're reporting. I was in there talking about my swing and how it's coming along. That has nothing to do with going back to right field. There was even more there that got even juiced here. Yeah, just saying like media watch it. Remember the meeting last week between him. I remember the meeting Friedman.

00:27:23
Speaker 3: I don't know, we don't know what said.

00:27:25
Speaker 4: I appreciate them not saying what was said in the meeting, so Lukie can say whatever he wants. But if the Dodgers are doing their due diligence, then they have to ask Mookie about possibly doing that just to see if it makes their team better than they probably came up.

00:27:37
Speaker 3: But I don't know. We don't know that.

00:27:38
Speaker 4: We weren't in the meeting, and that's fine. We weren't there. Weren't there.

00:27:42
Speaker 5: I have a hard time believing it's never discussed. We weren't in the meeting. We don't know. Maybe it wasn't discussed in that moment. But teams have algorithms that have a value for every player on their twenty six man roster and the guys on their forty man roster plugging it in to play against a certain team. I have a hard time believing in a game Miguel Rojas at shortstop and Mookie Betts in right field and Ta Oscar and left isn't a higher value through their algorithm than the current lineup. But I don't know.

00:28:24
Speaker 1: The other quote. I understand reporters have to do their job, but you have to spread lives, you have to make stuff up, especially because I'm a very open and honest person. Just come talk to me and ask me. I don't appreciate things being made up, but it kind of is what it is, you know. Originally, the La Times reporter who reported that there was a meeting, I don't think, and that's what this story said actually listed what was going on. Of course, he wasn't in the meeting. He just said there was a meeting, and then it took on a life of its own because people are like, Okay, Ti Oscar just had a bad game, Mookie's talking to some bosses. I think that it will at least come up in the conversation. Not a crazy thought there. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Also, this is the fun part of sports. We should be discussing that should he be in right field?

00:29:06
Speaker 3: This is what happens.

00:29:07
Speaker 1: This is no big deal. All good yea, and yes, Mookie's really nice and he is for the most part, one of the more open players in the game. But for example, there was an incident this year, I think with the Padres and Dodgers one of the series earlier where there was bean ball, and he was like, yeah, not talking about that. So we're not sitting down and getting our tell all conversations from everyone. No, it's I think sometimes we get to mid August, the season's long, and it's the media's fault. Do you feel that way sometimes where suddenly like this and I'm like, that's a stretch.

00:29:47
Speaker 4: Whatever, listen, whatever the Mookie set up for himself, set up for his guys, good teammate baseball media.

00:29:54
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00:31:15
Speaker 3: What's up?

00:31:16
Speaker 1: You see this average MLB four seem fastball VLO by season. Look at Righty's they're at ninety five miles an hour. That's the average. So if you're like, oh, I throw ninety five, you're like, cool, you're an average big league or average number.

00:31:31
Speaker 4: Hi yeah, II yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay cool.

00:31:37
Speaker 3: When Mark Mulder comes on next, I want you to listen to what he says.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk villa, and.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, he talks. He gets into some some VLO. Talk about it.

00:31:45
Speaker 1: Now, if you're lefty, you throw ninety two.

00:31:48
Speaker 4: But I also watched Jason Alexander go out against the Orioles and shove Nester Cortes shoved it up the Dodgers for you know, for six innings with one hit, throwing ninety one miles an hour. So like, it's not always about the velo. Velo is great, Villa is wonderful, but the easiest commodity to find in baseball right now velocity and.

00:32:07
Speaker 1: Anyway, Kratz, I'd be like, hey, you're bringing our average VLO down.

00:32:12
Speaker 5: I love I love it that they went to throwing harder. If everybody went to the Bronson Arroyo look from twenty ten on, my career would have ended a real quick But nobody knew how to teach everybody knows how to teach Vlo, so that helped me out and hit a fastball.

00:32:29
Speaker 1: There you go, and just points to where we're at from a sport perspective on how hard guys are throwing and why the arm injury epidemic continues. It's fun to watch heat, though, I will say it's great, like when we get to the playoffs, we're gonna be like, oh, Duran Mason Miller. They come in the eighth and they got him out of the gym. They went five outs. It's entertaining out of the box scores. Let's go over recent games the Mets and the Phillies this week, and we have to go right to our reporter in Pennsylvania, Aeric Kratz, for the result of that one. Kratz had it go.

00:33:12
Speaker 5: After the third inning. It went very heavily to the Mets, and it may have been the last game that Jordan Romano pitches for the Phillies. It definitely showed that the Phillies are a team. If they're going to succeed in the playoffs, they have to have everything line up exactly right in the sense that their offense has to be clicking early to be able to give it over to the bullpen because they don't have they don't necessarily have the bullpen that can keep you in like a two run game. It's going to be an offensive team, I think in the playoffs that gets great starting pitching and your two pieces three pieces at the back of the bullpen. It's not as deep as like a Padres team. But last night got it got ugly. But Luis Terrenz filling in for the Mets, filling in for Francisco Alvarez, who supposedly I think is starting a rehab assignment. I mean, what a night. He just he was clearly going to right center field the entire night and ended up with five stakes, big three run jack to put the game out of out of control. It was. It was the Luis nz game.

00:34:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, Biantos has been fired for the Mets for a few days now. They got to Christopher Sanchez, he's the top three cy young guy this year. Six runs, five earned and after the ten unanswered runs from the Mets and a big win. Or was it were they down three to nothing the Mets, Yeah, thirteen unanswered Yeah, because they won thirteen to three. Yeah, I will bring this question up, and I know it's one game. Aj, Did the Phillies do it enough or should they added? Should they have added one more? They added to everybody wants. Yeah, but Patres did. Over the last two years, they've had like four closers. Yeah, it is helpful. It's over a long period of time though, sure.

00:35:06
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

00:35:08
Speaker 4: I think Dobrowski wasn't counting on the Wheeler thing going down. I think their bullpenny thought was set once they got they're getting Alvarado back. Yes, he won't be available for the playoffs, but Duran at the back end, some of the other guys. Robertson's been great since he's come over. So I don't know. It's one game. You guys are overreacting just because Crats is a fan and he's mad. Because it's one game doesn't mean Scott you should overreact to one game too.

00:35:30
Speaker 5: Why here's my non overreaction. The Phillies are have lost eight of the last nine in City Field. Maybe the Phillies don't want to see the Mets in the playoffs to say.

00:35:43
Speaker 3: They lost him last year.

00:35:44
Speaker 4: They lost him last year and went over six last night, and Lindor went over six last night, and they still scored thirteen eight of.

00:35:52
Speaker 5: The last nine in City Field is a it's a problem for the Phillies any way.

00:35:58
Speaker 4: Scott is just getting eaten up with bugs, by the way, just getting eaten If you see him like and not one is bugs, no one.

00:36:07
Speaker 3: I know what.

00:36:08
Speaker 4: I've had one bug on me. It was a love bug. So because I'm full of love.

00:36:13
Speaker 5: Basically, you're You're Fasto Carmona, You're Fausto Carmona, and he's Joba Chamberlain.

00:36:19
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm Roberto Hernandoz and a chance.

00:36:23
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00:36:27
Speaker 3: It's because I eat gluten and dairy.

00:36:29
Speaker 1: They don't like me, true Jordan Romano.

00:36:31
Speaker 3: And by the way, can I just say, I know so far off topic.

00:36:35
Speaker 1: People are going to catch this clip later.

00:36:36
Speaker 4: Don't care what, don't care what other people think whether Scott said he's allergic to onions, okay, which I there's also someone else here that's allergic to apples, carrots and any vegetable, which is not a thing.

00:36:47
Speaker 1: I mean is this doesn't believe in allergies.

00:36:51
Speaker 3: I believe in allergies.

00:36:52
Speaker 1: I don't believe it at the hospital. I don't believe it. Like alerg you have an allergy, no said, nobody ever has been allergic to an onion. Onion, You have an allergy to a fruit or a vegetable. Aj, this is all fake, don't sue us. AJ is going to go to a hospital and bring everyone in and they're going to test him one by one and see who lives and who dies, just testing fruits and vegetables. Anyway, I don't.

00:37:12
Speaker 4: I just I don't know, Chris, have you ever heard of anybody being allergic to a carrot?

00:37:18
Speaker 5: Carrots? No vegetables.

00:37:20
Speaker 1: I'm not allergic to carrots, but we have someone who's part of our team who's allergic to apples, and I have heard of apples from others. If heat the seeds, you're probably in trouble, but not the apple. It's about the stem.

00:37:30
Speaker 3: I don't know anyway.

00:37:32
Speaker 1: Are the Phillies allergic to Jordan Romano for the rest of the season? Should they cut him? He's got an eight to two three e r A and forty two and two thirds innings. It's August, almost September. Krats help us out. Yeah, probably, it's almost September.

00:37:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, the time.

00:37:52
Speaker 5: I feel, I feel like it's time. I mean, I never want to condone cutting somebody, but they've given him over four innings. That is a crazy amount. And I heard Topper talk the other day. Rob Thompson was talking about it and he said, really lately, it's been a lot of one pitch, unlucky mistakes, and then he makes one pitch that you know is left in the middle of the plate. Yeah, that's what happens. He is not he's getting behind in the count. He's throwing that slider that used to be that gyro slider that was more like a curveball, but spun like a slider, and it has doesn't have the depth. So not only is it starting off the plate and staying off the plate, but then when it's on the plate, it's not breaking down like it used to. And it's just it's okay, it's okay. It doesn't mean his career is over. It just means, you hope there's somebody in Triple A, maybe an Andrew Paynter who can adjust as a you know, go from starting and throwing a pen for these you know, if they need somebody to step up. Jordan Romano was never since May. He wasn't gonna be a piece for the playoff roster. But you're still talking about trying to get through these innings and it can't be Joe Ross every night.

00:39:16
Speaker 4: Agreed, agreed. Might it might just be time. Maybe he goes to the offseason and goes to a place and figure some stuff out and comes back next year better than never.

00:39:22
Speaker 3: Who knows.

00:39:23
Speaker 1: Phillies fans wanted Taiwan Walker gone, but he was on a multi year contract Jordan Romano that has been very valuable for That's my point. They wanted him off the team and last year in June or something like that, right difference, and they held on different different because he was on a multi year Romanos.

00:39:40
Speaker 5: Jordan Romano's eating one inning Tywan Walker, even on the big contract. I think it's twenty five minute. I think he got three year, seventy five. He's eating three innings in a bad start, he's eating four innings. You need to build your team with more than just five starters. Some teams are running into that, and now they're down to three. Phillies lost Nola for a majority of the year. Now they lost Wheeler. Nola's back. You need to still be able built by innings and Tyler Walker can give you more innings. That's why I said, don't get rid of him yet. Now Taiwan Walker's thrown himself into should be in the mix to be on the playoff froster.

00:40:21
Speaker 1: One more thing from this game, and again props to the Mets offense. Great star for them, and they need these games much more than the Phillies do, by the way, because the Reds are right behind them. They had to delay this game for nineteen minutes. There was it, nineteen minutes whatever it was, it was double digit minutes, ten, fifteen, twenty minutes. Alec Bohm pointing to the outfields to a microphone there. It is clear microphone that's next to the stands that he felt shouldn't be there. Turns out it's been there for years.

00:40:53
Speaker 3: Yeap, Who is it?

00:40:55
Speaker 1: Kratz on the post game for the Phillies, Ricky Batalico, who always sounds off. Is that who it was that that went after Bowman the field?

00:41:04
Speaker 5: It was either Ricky or Michael Barkan.

00:41:07
Speaker 1: I think it was Batalico. So whose side are you on for this one? If there's something that's been there for years, it's a parabolic mic that probably picks up extra sound for something and it's in the batter's eye, but all the way to the right near the stands. Should the opposition be complaining about it?

00:41:26
Speaker 5: Uh? Yes, because maybe they have a guy on their team that his arm slot is perfectly right behind, right in front of that parabolic mic as you said it, Like, yes, just they should say something about it, like it's a microphone, Like I think it's something that should should be moved. But uh, probably before you hit into a ground ball double play. That's that's my.

00:41:53
Speaker 3: Son, move it. Let me get this straight.

00:41:58
Speaker 4: So the guy in the white T shirt that so two foot to the left of that microphone is okay, But that one little mic that's clear and you, I mean, I guess you could see it. I don't know is affecting the hitting.

00:42:10
Speaker 1: I'm just asking what if for the playoffs, if these two teams meet up, they have everyone in the outfield whear white shirts and then they flip them when the Mets are.

00:42:18
Speaker 3: Up home field advantage. Yeah, but I don't know.

00:42:22
Speaker 4: There's a guy and two feet closer than me and Scott Away that was in a white shirt that didn't affect but the little circle mic.

00:42:30
Speaker 1: So if a teammate and you're a more senior member of the team at the time. Let's just hypothetical. This complains about that. What would you say to the teammate.

00:42:40
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that on the air.

00:42:43
Speaker 5: I'll set it, I'll say it. I can't stand when guys come back to the dugout and be like, I can't I can't see that the sun is. So you go up to the dug out and you're like, where's the where's the sun at? Like I'm trying to I'm trying to look like there's a lot of things that can get in the way. But I don't know. I don't know. It's part way through the game too. It's been in City Field for years.

00:43:09
Speaker 4: So what's his career numbers? That's the question. What's his career numbers at City Field?

00:43:14
Speaker 1: Oh, you think they're bad? And then he's like, I don't know, I'm maybe I don't know.

00:43:18
Speaker 3: Maybe whoever he was facing he has bad numbers. Again, I don't know, I don't know. I'm just looking up. I don't know.

00:43:25
Speaker 1: It was it was a weird.

00:43:26
Speaker 3: Thing to complain about.

00:43:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it was brought up.

00:43:29
Speaker 3: I know.

00:43:31
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00:45:20
Speaker 3: They love those, They do love themselves.

00:45:22
Speaker 1: Some minor league ballparks. Fourth of July, all thirty teams in action. They're trying to make that more of a thing, which I believe. In twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven with Mets and Yankees September fifteenth, all thirty teams in action for a vertical Menda day in game one sixty two September twenty seventh. Next year, that feels so early. September twenty seventh, we'll have more September baseball.

00:45:42
Speaker 3: Wasn't their Field of Dreams game next year too? I thought we saw, oh yeah, that's not a key date.

00:45:46
Speaker 1: They didn't announce it yet. I think that.

00:45:47
Speaker 3: Was people jumping.

00:45:49
Speaker 1: Somebody took the risk of a baseball to the gut to report on that story.

00:45:55
Speaker 3: Games they did the first time.

00:45:58
Speaker 4: Are we excited about the A's go into Vegas to play in the Triple A Ballpark?

00:46:02
Speaker 1: Vegas? Vegas? Is that place better be rocket? He was excited about them going to play in a Triple A ballpark. At least they get some Major League baseball there.

00:46:11
Speaker 3: They get it. Every spring training a team goes there.

00:46:14
Speaker 5: One of these. One of these things on here has no relevant to me, has no relevance. All of these things are awesome, awesome, momentous occasions. Crazy. That's twenty five years since nine to eleven A's go to a minor league stadium to play more games.

00:46:37
Speaker 1: Time Crats do I sound lupily now much better?

00:46:41
Speaker 5: Sounded buzzy before buzz light year.

00:46:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got rid of the bugs. Kyle Riley fifty homers Operation MVP.

00:46:53
Speaker 3: You heard it. You heard it here first, I said, I've been saying it for a long time.

00:46:56
Speaker 1: Note that. Give me something else.

00:46:58
Speaker 4: He's got the all time record for home He's chasing down Mickey Mano for the home most catch, and then he's gonna he's chasing down Mickey Mano for the all time homers for switch hitter. The biggest question is can he beat Judge? Can he get to sixty three? I mean you had to yesterday or two two days ago? One yesterday? He's feeling it. I don't know, but I'd love to see it. Absolutely big dumper.

00:47:19
Speaker 1: That one went a long way.

00:47:21
Speaker 5: Kratz, you go, you go upstairs there, that's big time. There's some upper decks that are tough to get to. He went about eight rows up in the upper upper tank there. That was a bomb. And to me, it's really a matter of what number you think he's not gonna reach. Is he gonna catch Aaron Judge? He's gonna break Mickey Mantle's switch hitter record. I think he's gonna break the catching record. I think it was Hobby Lopez. We said it yesterday. And then you're gonna start getting into the Ken Griffy Junior. Will he beat the great Ken Griffy Junior. He'll never go down as the great camp the great cal Raley, But why not compared to.

00:48:11
Speaker 3: The glove?

00:48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, home runs?

00:48:13
Speaker 4: I mean chance if he continues, I mean he's got a chance to be one of the all time great long term deal, he got long term deal.

00:48:24
Speaker 3: The kid he.

00:48:25
Speaker 5: Will be up there with Ken Griffy Junior. No way, he could have a Hall of Fame career. But can Griffy or The thing is everybody sees this is like a one year thing from cal Rawley in a sense that like, wow, he really burst on the scene. He has so many home run records through the first I don't know how many games of his career as a Mariner. You're talking about dudes that have hit a lot of home runs in Seattle's history, and he's been breaking those records coming up to this year and now he's got fifty. This year. He was the fastest too, I think eighty or ninety home runs. He was the fastest to one hundred home runs. He was the first, you know, switch hit, or he's been doing this for a long time. The difference is now he's hitting it, doing it on a playoff team, and his batting average is over two fifty.

00:49:20
Speaker 1: I'll redo the quote because it was fun, and when you're this good all year, you want to try and switch it up. Yeah, don't just say yeah, it's going well like He's often given us some fun quotes. We saw the Sarah Langs stat on most home runs in a season by a primary catcher. Almost there, yep, here's the quote. He said, it doesn't seem real. I mean, fifty home runs. It's kind of a crazy number to think of. I thought I was a cool player when I hit five home runs when I was young in high school or something. You hit five, you had all this power in the world. So it's just crazy, like, oh, hey.

00:49:55
Speaker 3: Good for him. But by the way, when we talk about five Dingers, when.

00:49:58
Speaker 4: We talk about like him versus Griffy, listen, we're not saying he's going to be better than Griffy. We're saying, is he's got a chance is one of the all time Mariner greats? If he keeps us up what he's doing. We're not saying he's gonna take place, because we don't want anybody saying, oh, they're saying cal Rale's.

00:50:13
Speaker 3: Gonna be better. No, no, he's not gonna be better than Ken Griffy Junior.

00:50:15
Speaker 4: What we're saying is he's got a chance to go down if he continues, just to go down as one of the Mariner all time greats.

00:50:22
Speaker 1: He signed up for the long term. I was doing this math the other day, Kratz. You know how front offices will try and put a number to how many wins you're worth your wins, So he's he's over seven. He's almost exact same as Judge. If you look at fangrafts and some of the people who are looking at MVP are like, see now, I'm like, okay, even if he was six point eight and Judge was seven point two, you're allowed to vote for Kyle Riley over Judge. It's not most war for most for most valuable player. But anyway, I digress. If you think one win is worth seven million dollars, which is I think somewhat conservative, then he's a fifteen million dollar player this year.

00:51:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, seven seven millions in all number. I think it's actually seven point six now is the last the last thing I read.

00:51:12
Speaker 1: I've seen it all the way up to tennis. But I'm saying, like, let's go on the lowest end that I've seen seven.

00:51:18
Speaker 4: Seven, right either because the guys that's not true. So that's why, because it's not true.

00:51:24
Speaker 1: But this is what front offices.

00:51:26
Speaker 4: But you don't get paid off ten million dollars because there's a rookie kid out there, whoever it is, the rookie of the year, Paul Skeans is making league minimum or whatever it is, whatever going over that.

00:51:34
Speaker 1: But my point is that if it was a complete free market, one win, according to many front offices, is at least seven million dollars. So Kyle Roley, who just signed that what six year one hundred, is already hitting up half that contract worth the value in one season?

00:51:53
Speaker 5: Okay comment, Okay, whether we're arguing about.

00:51:57
Speaker 4: Because he's not worth because just because yeah, great, one win is worth it? Okay, So then why don't they do this at the next bargaining agreement. You just get paid off your war. I bet you the war numbers will change real quick. You get paid only off your war. So if you're a three war player and you're in your second year, you get thirty million dollars.

00:52:13
Speaker 1: I'm just going to do that would change. Yes, I'm going to say, now, don't give me that when.

00:52:17
Speaker 4: War is worth this and that, because all teams don't. First of all, there's more than one example of war. So there's one F war, B war, C war, D war, E war. Who gives a crap war? Yeah, I mean listen, but teams don't pay off that. So don't give me that war is worth this much or this much. It's not because it's not you know how he get paid.

00:52:34
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question about Kyle Riley's production this year? If I could tell you, hey, you could find this production from this player, how much would you pay for him for one season on a contending team? What would his season be worth? And how much playoff value?

00:52:49
Speaker 3: One year deal? A one year deal, probably twenty five to thirty million for one year.

00:52:53
Speaker 1: That's it going into it because they don't know it's coming. No. No, if I'm saying, hey, you're gonna get the best catcher of I'm giving you the status in advance and say what does this worth to you? For one season. Isn't it worth fifty million bucks?

00:53:04
Speaker 4: They wouldn't pay that though, I know they wouldn't pay that vacuum.

00:53:07
Speaker 1: What is the season worth that?

00:53:09
Speaker 3: Then?

00:53:09
Speaker 1: Why can't we play this game? Because it's not a real game. It's not realistic. I can't have any fun here, Kratz No, because it's not realistic.

00:53:17
Speaker 3: It's not realistic.

00:53:18
Speaker 1: It is I'm no, no, no, no, don't it.

00:53:21
Speaker 5: Okay, it's realistic. It's realistic because if it were up to the owners, they would love one year contracts. Okay, if you're gonna pay guys one year contracts, you're gonna have to give out a sixty million dollar contract because Aaron Judge will be worth sixty million dollars after this year. Cal Raley when he finishes this season, in their mind, will be worth sixty million dollars this year. So it's a realistic question that Scott put out there, because teams don't want to give out these long contracts, even this extension six years one oh five that with with a vesting option for cal Raley, Well they're they're picking that up unless he gets hurt and they would have to pay this. So I agree with you and yes, the number is fifty to sixty million. If you know you're getting this production from the catching position, the Dodgers would pay fifty to sixty million dollars And what then?

00:54:15
Speaker 3: What then? Then? Why would then why did Juan Soto? Right? Yeah, just out sign one year deals the whole time.

00:54:21
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you guys are getting too realistic with get mine.

00:54:25
Speaker 4: He's on a realist I've played in the real world.

00:54:28
Speaker 1: I don't play hat off your CBA hat. Wanted to know if you're in fantasyland and I say, hey, we have a catcher available for your contending team. You need a catcher. These are the numbers you're going to get. How much money would you pay?

00:54:40
Speaker 3: By the way, he is on a contending team, so.

00:54:42
Speaker 1: I know that I know he's on a contending.

00:54:46
Speaker 3: All your arguments, you're no. One void, you're.

00:54:49
Speaker 1: Ball busting to the highest. No, there are offt balls flying everywhere right now, I'm just saying, like, how much would you pay for him? Right? You're running how much he signed for? Who cares not?

00:54:59
Speaker 3: Who cares? How much he signed for?

00:55:01
Speaker 1: Six years, one oh five?

00:55:02
Speaker 3: That is exactly what great, that's exactly what I pay Scott.

00:55:07
Speaker 5: Since you got since you're not getting anywhere. I agree with you. Yes, I would pay fifty to sixty million dollars for a year that you know you're getting fifty plus homers from the catching position. The real question is, because we talked early in the show about Royce Lewis, how much did that contract that he signed, that cal Raley signed before the year helped dictate this season? Helped him do what he's doing because the hit home runs. Everybody will tell you, no matter where your swing change is or not, you got to catch the ball out front. To catch the ball out front, you might swing and miss at a few more pitches. Now he's catching the ball out front from the left side and the right side. Maybe that contract allowed him to relax a little bit and not worry so much about the narrative that the Mariners strike out so much, and maybe that enabled him to become a better hitter because he has one hundred and five million dollars coming to him and doesn't have to play for his contract.

00:56:02
Speaker 3: No doubt about fantasy.

00:56:03
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Even in Fantasyland, we call that bleep it mode where it's like you're you're just going out there to have a good time and do whatever win.

00:56:14
Speaker 4: Say that because he wants to win and he wants to do well soon going out there saying bleep it.

00:56:19
Speaker 1: No, he's not worried about what the offseason is going to look like. Okay, he's just worried about what's going to help a million worth. Didn't you play with some guys who would go out on the field and feel like real tense and like I have to prove every single second of what I'm doing here, And then some guys that were like, Hey, I'm I'm playing free and easy and it's leading to more.

00:56:39
Speaker 4: Sometimes guys when they signed contracts play do worse the first year because they're trying to live up to the contract.

00:56:43
Speaker 1: Hey, they don't always all work too. I mean, Lawrence Butler is having a really down year compared to what he did last year. But it's long term deal and days aren't in playoff range anyway. But coy Riley fifty eight point five million dollars is his worth according to A. J. Prazinski, if you could buy that sticle production to the one seas you heard it here first. I just wanted to come up with a different way to hype up how valuable. He's been He's very valuable.

00:57:09
Speaker 3: But you know what, they sign him for a deal and he's happy with the deal. So that's how much he's.

00:57:12
Speaker 1: I'm not crapping on the deal. I'm just saying he is extremely valuable, and I wanted to try and put another.

00:57:17
Speaker 3: The MVP of the American League.

00:57:18
Speaker 1: He is the m v P. You've heard it here since what May.

00:57:22
Speaker 3: I've been saying it since for a long time, at least May.

00:57:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say May. Anyway, we'll take a break when we come back. Yeah, slap pants. Hey Brian McCann right here. We're on live TV, so just be careful. That was good. See what he does with the drone.

00:57:48
Speaker 3: And now we got Malark.

00:57:50
Speaker 4: He heard the play by play, Yeah he heard it.

00:57:56
Speaker 3: That's right. By the way.

00:57:58
Speaker 1: We're all over the place, but our turn.

00:58:00
Speaker 3: Katie.

00:58:00
Speaker 1: That book she keeps of cards is everybody that was on the show during her internship, plus the host, and so she's got nameplates for anyone she's missing still, but she's been collecting the card so everyone.

00:58:10
Speaker 3: No.

00:58:10
Speaker 1: I thought that was cool.

00:58:11
Speaker 3: That's cool. I didn't see that I was talking.

00:58:13
Speaker 1: That s cool. Props to Katie. That's a project during the summer. I really like that. She sent that to us on her way out finishing up the program and we were like, hey, we got to show that, and she said go for it. So thanks Katie. Anyway, big show tomorrow, Josh Donaldson, maybe Brian mccannon. We're gonna talk to Tony Romo on the pro YouTube channel. We'll see you tomorrow. Swing big. Next MLB parlay use the parlay boost token in your bet MGM account. Score a bigger payout. If your baseball parlay hits gambling problem or concern, call one Gambling