Friendsgiving: Part 2

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back with part two of Our Bachelor Happy Our Friends Giving. Everybody welcome Brian, Joe, Kendall, Eric, Taysha and Katie. We're gonna flip this around a little bit. We're gonna talk about the legendary Bachelor feuds. So we're gonna start off with the most recent season, Luke P versus basically everyone in the house. What side are you on, guys, I mean, does anybody Luke P? I'm just confused how he has so much power in that house that I feel like he had all the power amongst all the guys. Definitely a power. Yeah, I didn't understand that. I was there the first night, and I mean barely there, but he was captivating and I thought he was going to take it to the end. So I can see how it was immediate threat type of power. Because when I saw him with Hannah, I was even shocked. And I feel like I have a pretty good intuition of about people, and I was like, yeah, he's going to the end. Immediately their connection was just like a no brainer. So maybe that's how I don't know. Also, remember like five guys met Hannah. We had a time and you could totally see that there was like something there between Luke p and Hannah. The second I saw that, I was like, he's going to the end. Oh he was a cat. I hadn't watched the seat obviously the season how it started yet, but yeah, so maybe like everyone had seen that prior to even going to the show, and so they knew that there was already a little connection. I didn't know he was one of the guys that met her before he came up and like went like this to Chris Harrison, like right in between. And I think I think he was an easy target. Yes, basically, I think he just he was you know, it was easy to mess with him. And I think he would wear his emotions on the sleeve and everyone knew it and eventually it just snowball. Then it just became he was He took it so seriously and he put all of himself into it, and I think in that way, I think he really loved her. Like I think even when he said it at the beginning, I'm like, this guy's crazy, but I actually believe him. I really think he believe him. Joe, you didn't believe Tasia. Yeah, the air conditioning was on sixty five. I believe. Um. I think that there's not a lot to talk about when you're in the bachelor bubble. So that is why he was such of like polarizing. Well he is a polarizing figure, but there's just like what else you're gonna talk about. You're talking about Hannah, you're talking about your feelings, and you're talking about Luke p because he was just so much drama like that is he was very He was very bold, basically saying like this is my woman, right. So I think there's I think there's a different way, like when you he got the first impression roles. Correct, so I got the first impression roles, but I think there's a different way to handle it. I was very low key, I was humble. I wasn't boasting about getting the first impression roles or anything to the other guys in the house. I think so the fact that he got the first impression roles, he was a target. And then you add on that he's basically gonna let you know about it. Yeah that is oh sorry, I think that is what rubbed the people the wrong way. Yeah, he almost expected a little bit more after getting that first impression roles. I think that he went into one of her interview rooms or something, he was expecting her to give like even more attention. He was like, well, I'm entitled to this now because I know I'm at the top. And I think that started really rubbing people the wrong way. And then so they started nitpicking because all you gotta do is guide chats in that house. So you're gonna guid chat about Luke p you have nothing else to talk about. Well, I do believe just to feed off of Joe because he went home win well when home came back, but I think he was he was like, yeah, he was final four on four, but if he was like final two, I believe the final three he probably would have because she was convinced. Yeah, I was like, wow, I think if you would have been separated from the guys, how final four is it, the attention would no longer be on him and he would have just taken it to the top. Absolutely, So are you team Lucy or everyone else? It's hard because he was definitely ostracized, and because of that, I think everyone jumped on the bandwagon of I mean, it's a defense mechanism to try to be a part of a group because we find safety and groups. I feel like it was he was unjustifiably ganged up on. At the same time, he did not react the best. Um, But how do you react when you're backed into a corner. It's like the fight or flight. Either you're gonna back down or you're gonna puff up your chest and you're gonna, you know, show them for the man that you believe the new environment with all these people you don't even know, and to prove yourself like a blue he would be judged in a different way, so there really was no winning for him. I feel like we missed out on some scenes. I feel like there was more because they were the guys were so like passionate about their feelings towards him. I'm like, we're missing something, yeah, right, like there's something that someone from there that season and it was so passionate about him that we're missing some of the good said but she said it's yeah. She came out and said, we're missing some of the you know, like I saw, I know my relationship with him, I'm pretty to things that you guys aren't. So it goes both away. Hannah's not stupid. She wouldn't kept him around if it was only that exactly, and I think she wanted it to be him at the end for so long, and he kept on disappointing her, and she's like, stop it, just cool, yeah, stay cool, yes, stay cool, calm down. I see her side. I just like you stop it right now. I will say that remember when he went, um, she took him on the date and um, was it Santorini that they went? To make that up? It's grease. They weren't Greece. Um, And she took him on the date and they flew. I think they did it. They flew to Santorini. I don't know if I'm making that up, but okay, they flew to Santorini. The way he was with her, like when they were walking around town, I was like, wow, maybe this is what she sees that we don't, because he was really nice and really sweet, and I thought, okay, he's different with her than he is with everyone else. Not a good characteristic But yeah. So I guess no team, because I can't really truly judge the situation because, like I watched the edit, I mean, we all did I guess what about did anyone? Did anyone watch my season happen intelligent. I remember that night so in Wisconsin and it's freezing cold and we're outside and it would have been beautiful. We could have enjoyed it if it hadn't been so cold. So anyways, it was that night that Taylor decided to confront Karine and she brought up this emotional intelligence and Karine was like, what is that? I have that with none of us. I didn't know what that meant at that time, and I think there was a line. I kept saying, what the fuck is emotional intelligence? We were like so out of it that night. Um, but that's what triggered it. But I guess there really was no basis. There were people who and I think you just have to be one or two ways now, so there were people who allow certain people's actions to affect them. Rather than to quote Hannah, staying in your own lane and just being you like the way Brian you said you were on the season, people would allow someone else's behavior to become to affect their behavior, and so that is what Taylor allowed Karinn to do. I really think Taylor could have gone a lot farther in the season if she had not let karinne get to her, and then it ultimately ended up being her demise and going home. I mean, I, honestly at the time was team Karnne because I was really close with Karann. It's just a relationship you just didn't see on camera. I understood her, I felt like better than most people and also took the time. People would have girls chats about Karnne and she wouldn't even be there, you know, and I was just like, I'm not participating in this mass. This is ridiculous. But I just think that at the time, just Taylor just let Karrene get the best of her, and she let her win. And I think Karinn knew that she had to hold on Taylor, and so she would poke a little bit when it would come to her, and you know, it worked, it end up getting her sent home. Yeah, dang, well, I have a real question before we go to the next few. When you guys want to show, did you see it as a competition, because I was always asked or you I was like, I don't see it as a competition, no, because when it comes to the real dating, like real world, when you're dating, um, it's not so much the person's going to like whoever they want to, like, there's nothing you can say or do or manipulate that's going to get them to choose you over some other person. So yeah, for the way I saw it, is like, if this is the person that I'm actually meant to be with, They're not going to let what other people say affect the relationship with me, don't it. It was more so like a test for me. But I did like the whole two on one with Crystal. I was like, either what she says is going to affect you when you're not the kind of person I want to be with, or it's not and we're gonna, you know, move on with our relationship. Yeah, there you go. Yea. In my head, I always thought Rachel's going to choose the best man for her, yes, And if it wasn't me, I didn't think it was an indictment on me. I just thought, you know what, my person is out there and it's not her, and it is what it is like. I gave my all to the process and she didn't pick me, so it is what it is like. Yeah, I would have been heartbroken, but at the same time I knew that I gave it my all, so eventually time would have healed that. So I think speaking on like a person like Karen, and not to say Demi's like Karann, she would kill me if she heard me say that, But like Demi was very similar character in our house. Yeah, I think like kind of like Demi and Tracy. It was like a similar situation. Like Demi knew she could poke at Tracy in that moment, and she wouldn't have done it if Tracy didn't allow her or didn't feel so affected by it in that moment. So like Demi was like, yeah, let's keep going. She's like that type of person. I think Karen had the same attitude. I think I commented on that. I was like, whatever I was saying, I was like that, how does Demi she's like twenty three years Like that is twenty three year old has that thirty year old crying at a closet? Yeah, I was like, she really has a hold on her twenty four dim twenty four um a more recent feud, And I'd really like to get you guys opinion on this one, especially those who know them. Nicole and Clay, what's going on? Yes, what happened? I'm not going to speak on I didn't even know there was At the same time, I even told Nicole like, I'm staying out of this, Like, in my eyes, yeall are being petty. So I'm just gonna bout doesn't she have a man? No? The room at the reunion, right, Okay, so she did had a boyfriend. Okay, so she was like talking to a guy that was in Miami. Yes, okay, so we can clear that up. I thought she had a man, And this whole time I was like, No, what is her man saying about this? Okay? No, well, what's it was? I don't even know what's this? Who are they? Well, I mean I know who they are, but I know I know towards the end they broke up. So they broke up, so it should be done and over with. Right now, they're in this social media feud and I'm paraphrasing here, so correct me if I'm wrong, But basically they're just going at each other. I guess he's made some sly comments about her because the issue was that he wasn't ready to take their relationship to that level, and so he's made comments that play into that. And then she's made comments about him and his career and yeah, and now all the comments are simming from places of her and like it's people are starting to take low blows. Yeah, I'm just talking to it in front of every phone call. I mean, real conversation. Drama. It's a it's a fire that's only fed if you if you like, feed it like fuel. Right. I always talk about this when it comes to drama. Either you feed into it and you stoke the flame, or you just kind of don't react and it sizzles out, like it's such a refreshed Like in the social media world, everything's so refreshed and the next thing so quickly. It's like, you know, if you want it to keep going, you want there to be people talking about you keep going with it. And in certain ways, not that I have a lot of knowledge about the topic, it seems like maybe it's something that people are maybe holding onto. Yeah, you know, and I think that even if they don't want it to be drama, there's a sense of pride in both of them and like one person, yeah, you don't want to back down because now you you made a huge point or a huge statement. Both of them have made large statements and it's like you don't want the other person to seem like they won over you, per se, So yeah, they both look I just don't understand how people feel so big and bad by fighting with people over social media, Like how how like so you send an angry tweet or Instagram message or whatever, and you're like, ha, I told that case and no one would ever say it to your face exactly, Like that's like like, come at me, you know what I mean. I just I just don't understand the principle of arguing over social media. I really don't. Um. So I hope they stop. I hope they figure it out and they just separate. There's a reason it didn't work out. Now we're seeing it all play on social media, and I just hope that they can like, yeah, we'll talk without a lot of piece. YEA talk without an audience, because I feel like when you are talking in front of an audience, there's a need to perform and to showcase like your strength and also to protect your ego. And if you don't perform quote unquote in front of an audience, then you can become real people. Yeah. I don't think they've ever spoken like they haven't spoken, not truly because they did it through union in front of games. It's like, that's not real. They haven't like why didn't we say they would just talk? It would be one thing. I think Nicole's hurt. I think Clay has his own feelings, and I just feel like if they just were to like pick up phone just figure it out. Yeah, but did they not air them when they weren't aired on the They weren't aired on the But I think maybe because of that, because the audience didn't have like a button to end it, maybe they feel like they can't end it. They have to end it in front of an audience. You'll get a drink and talk about it, drink some wine. I feel because I get to prove everything. You feel like you have to almost prove yourself and prove your story to everyone who has an opinion about your story. Right, So like if there's things that you maybe if you solve argument with someone and it's all figured out, then the audience that fans haven't seen you figure see I haven't seen you figure it out. So you almost feel like you owe it to them, to them to like put this thing to bed. Yeah, and you will never win that game. Or maybe you just want at tension so you talk about it on social media, you know. But I was in a I was in a feud with Vanessa and it wasn't aired, and but then it like kind of became um when I was on nixt season, and then it kind of became known because certain people from the season would talk about it, but neither one of us ever went on social media and went at each other. And actually she messaged me, like after time had passed and I had the bacherette, she messaged me. We got on the phone and we didn't even hash out We didn't even hash out what had happened because we're so many years past that. We just picked up where we were and had a conversation about it and wished each other the best and we're totally friendly and cool now. And I mean, like what a concept. Yeah, which, but time had to pass, we had to separate. It had to be the right time for us to be able to come to each other and work that out. Um, I just thought about something, Okay, So I'm switching. I'm moving on from the unless anybody else wants talk about it. I just thought about something. So one of the things I was told. We get a lot of questions from people, you know who watched the show and are super fans, and one of them is always how do we know each other? How do we all meet? Because we always say this Bachelor nation world is small. And I remember as I was going to be a contestant on nixt season, a producer saying to me, and maybe it was after that film, be careful full. Past contestants will slide in your DMS and talk to you. So if anybody's feeling a little frisky, I want to know one did pass contestants from the office the opposite sex slide in your dms? And if so, who was it? Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah fine, Oh my god, I feel bad. They said they know it was just really nice. Um I forty Alex Alex Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was so cool, but um yeah. He was like hopefully this you in paradise and I was like, yeah, same, I don't know you all right, anybody else the takers, I was like, oh, I don't know. I think at the time I was like this with Caroline, this is weird anyway, Okay, Well can you just say this. Do people slide in your dms? Yea Eric slid and your DM's about an event but that's also how we meet a lot of these people, right, Like, yeah, um, I'm really upset nobody who wanted to talk about who slid in my DMS. I'm trying to think it was. I honestly don't remember. They were contestants who didn't make it as far, but I remember when it happened, and I was like, they were right. It's almost as if they Cam, Well, it's easier because you said that. I'm like, Cam didn't slide. What happened was I when Joe and I did straight hand and Sarah and I we were talking about ABC always became his thing. I said, ABC stood for another bad comb over? Remember that credit to Cam. He actually took that really well. And he wrote me and he said, you know, like another back come over and like showed himself from the TV and like laughed about it. And I was like, wait to be a good sport and realize it's all in fun and it's very personal. So it wasn't like a like that. I think people are at this point. People are afraid to slide an idea because they're afraid not just because I'm married, because I don't know, they think maybe I'll use it as content on the podcast or something like I just did, Alex. I think there is like you feel like you are connected to the people who are on previous seasons, and if you've gone through it and you see other people go through it, then you, I mean there's a need or a want to like reach out and to be like it's gonna be okay. So yeah, yeah, it's easier. It's easier to flirt. Okay, that's what it is. It's easier to flirt because honestly, if you slide into somebody's DMS that's been on the same show as you, the odds are they're probably going to get back to you opposed if you just slide on some random person's DM. Yeah, so that's really what it is. It's just it's just an easier way to say hello. Yeah, the ice is broken up. Yeah, the ices are exactly. I saw you kiss someone on TV. Yeah. But piggyback on what you said though about you know, you see these people come through the show, they have have had your experience. Do you feel that because we're about to have a whole new crop of girls. I'm talking to the ladies in the room right now, a whole new crop of girls come in with Peter season. Do you feel like you need to reach out to them? No? I mean no, I feel like I usually don't. I'm the kind of person that unless I meet you in person, it's hard for me to kind of like open up and to speak on messages and stuff like that. Um And also, I don't really look at the hidden dms because you know, and I wait to follow people until, like I get to know them a little bit more. Um So, in that regard, I don't feel like I do feel like maybe some of the girls would reach out to people that they saw had similar circumstances, you know, and the hidden dms it could be some business opportunities. For a year, I didn't even know they existed. I know. Yeah, it took me a good whole year to even know about that. And that's after the show. So I'm like, I probably missed out on a ton of opportunities because I didn't know about that these people. Yeah, yes, yeah, and then I realized that later as well. Oh it's hard for me because when I when contestants that are coming up do reach out, it's it's weird. It's like I want to give advice, but at the same time. I think and Joe and I talked about this on a previous episode. People are so quick to throw the word friend around. Yeah, It's like I get nervous. It's like, I'm not saying we're best friends, but you know, I'm here to give you advice or reach out and then because then if you don't, people think you're not friends. I don't know. It's just it's like a weird place because the show's been on for seventeen years, and I imagine it's going to be on for at least another seventeen years. So it's like, are you supposed to be best friends with every single person that comes from the show? Yeah, acquaintances me, Yeah, But I mean if somebody on the show asked me for your advice, I give it and you see it. Yeah, same first night, or asked for Joe's advice, Yeah, I asked, how do I have your path? Yes to phenomenal, Gotta make one, Joe, honestly, stay out on my lane. Right, just leave it at Eric. I'll ask you this question, Um, why do you think the Bachelorette seasons have been more successful than the Bachelor? And even I'll even throw since we have paradise at the table. Why do you think the paradise relationships are successful, because also have been just as if not more so. When you say successful, you mean in the sense of together staying together. Yeah. Not. They don't have to be married because you guys are a strong couple of feel I've been watching the way he talked about you on the podcast. No no, no, Yeah, I had or listen to that too. Joe and I are too close in a good way. Any argument Joe starts playing the podcast. Oh he, Joe's on any sort of interview or podcast he like. I'll see him like listening to it again, and then we'll listen to it and listen to it a few times. It's cute. That's not true. I don't listen to all of it. In the beginning. Yeah, in the beginning it was even worse because I used to give some bad interviews. Yeah, well, I think in general, I think men in general, it takes us time to emotionally mature, and some guys that get in that space, their life changes. And you have all these opportunities, and you have distractions, and if you're not emotionally mature, mentally mature, and you don't understand life for relationships. You might not be in it for what it is because in the moment, let's be clear, we're in a fantasy world of dating on the show, even though we're in love or we're But when you get outside of that, you gotta look at real life and what's real and what's not. What's this because I was in a state of love, this is why I fell in love? Or is this something I really want? Because you don't know until you know. And I think most men were just not emotionally mature at what twenty five, twenty six, twenty eight, maybe thirty two, thirty three, maybe some younger, depending on how they were raised. But it takes time. I got you know you guys, Brian Rachel like I grew on a show, like she grew up my beard and everything. My life changed. But I learned so much about myself and just opening up and being vulnerable. And I think the date right before Hometowns, I was so afraid to tell her where I grew up. I was like, She's like, she's not gonna like I was all in my head and then she's like, oh fine, I was like wow. And so it's those parts of a man and being vulnerable and opening up that we're insecure about because we don't know and whom were like, just tell me everything. Yeah, okay, yeah, and you're like, really we are. And so men just need more time to develop, I believe, and when you put on a big stage like that is hard. So to the guys, that's you know, the recent Bachelor is about, you know, hopefully you guys, if you're still in relationships, you stay. But if not, you know, I just got work to do. Yeah, And to the Bachelor, I being more successful you were saying, I think it's tough. I think like kind of piggybacking on what you were saying, Eric, is that people men come out of their shell and egos. I think for men lower tremendously on the Bachelorette because they're not guys are not used to having to like kind of fight for that attention. They're like, what bounce? But on the Bachelor you're forced to do that. I feel like girls in some sense kind of feel like they're in a constant state of that. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like, and maybe not for every Bachelor, sometimes I feel like the Bachelor gets a bigger ego because he's got all these girls chasing after himarette it's like such an opposite experience because all these guys lower their egos and have to like put that completely aside and go for this woman and respect her and now be vulnerable, and they grow so tremendously. As for the girls, they're almost like and not to say this was every bachelor, but almost like chasing someone who is their egos growing. Yeah. Yeah, well, I think I think for women women we talked about this before, but for women, they look at it like it kind of lost my trade of thought. Women women look at it like can this work in the real world? Yeah, where guys look at it like who's the hottest? Yeah, and that that's just the truth, Like you're like, who am I the most attracted to? You know? And I think that's why the women of the show The Bachelorette seems to be more successful in my opinion, or let's you know, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to, you know, if age is a fact, they're having kids at a certain age. I feel like women have a timeline where I want to get married by this time and I have kids, because if I don't have kids at before thirty five or whatever, then I can't have them. I don't know. Men, we're like, I can get married at thirty five, forty five, forty so it's no rush to get into Yeah, women were fighting the clock right now we're like, we gotta go. We gotta go everyday marriage to have a year of like the funny moon phase. Then we got to have the baby and then yeah, we're like, man, if you could do this all over again, would you no, what do you mean in terms of like if you if you could do like, yeah, if you could from where you started on this bachelor journey, if you could go all over again, dar do it all over again? Would you have done it? Would you audition? Would you go through casting? Would you go on the show? Yeah? I feel like, yeah, I think it changed everyone. I mean I think for most people, even if you are the villain on a season, it changed your life for the better. Maybe you self reflected in different ways. You know, I found a man, so in that way, and it also like I feel like amazing, man. I think I think it allowed me to have more of a long term relationship because I would usually end relationships around the eight to ten month mark when and I would kind of give up on relationships and not want to put a lot of work into it. And with Joe, it was such a different relationship because I was a different person, and I think he grew in a lot of ways too, because I'm like your first girlfriend pretty much in a lot of ways. Yeah, so I mean you change, you change, definitely grew up. And also the one thing that I really like about the show is I feel like everyone is afraid to say I want marriage, I want something serious, I want that, and the show applauds that and celebrates people wanting commitment and wanting long term relationships. And in the real world, you feel like if you want that, it's too vulnerable or it ends up being like too much, too soon. And the show's like, you should be in love the next day, so you're not afraid to put yourself out there. You almost feel like there's something wrong with you if you're not there right. And I think, like, I don't know if we can ask this question we're asking Eric in the dating world. Now. I am trying to imagine it because it must be how do I say this? It must be tough in the dating world because on the show, You're so likely to ask these hard questions. And I feel like whenever I would ask hard questions on like a second date, scares people away. But those types of questions or like the questions were like, I don't know why you didn't ask that already on the show. So in the dating world, now, do you find that you're now more readily available to open up? I think for me, women are. They're even shocked. They're intimidated because I'm so emotionally available and so available just listen to talk. I'm like, I'll tell you whatever you want to know. I'm spiritual. So since I've been young, it's always been you're different. Okay, what does that mean? You're different? So that's been a struggle. But I think most people are not used to an emotionally available guy. Yeah man thinks about you, that calls you like, okay, you need anything about Yeah, I'm on it. You're ready to have those conversations, so it's like too much too soon, or like oh hold on, pomp the Brinch brother. Yeah. They're used to the person checking on, not motivating them in the morning, not caring about it. Does that help you, like read them out because maybe they're just not ready for what you're ready for, and you're looking for somebody that is, well, say next. But I think also the challenges if you do like someone like I was telling you off off Mike that you know, I felt hard for someone they just wasn't really ready, but I was willing to, you know, pace it out and see what. But I realized it's just not gonna work right. And somebody girls think they're ready, yeah, and what they're ready for is the guy to text them back, not a guy to ask them to hard. That was the conversation. I said, do you really think you want to be in a relationship and she was like, I really don't know when I think about it. And I said, that's okay because I felt you running, I can feel your energy, but I still care about you. I love you, Like it's okay, so we're still friends. But it's it's like I think, Brian, you set off Mike when it's time, it's time. So for me, it's not all about timing. You're not afraid to confront that. Yeah, And I think the show helped me, yeah, to be conversation or opportunity. And it's times when I'm running as well, but that makes you different though, quote unquote different. That's a good thing. Yeah, yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, like it's been that since I wish. I wish more guys were like that. I think they say that didn't get it. It's like whoa, Yeah, like for some women from yeah experience, yeah, don't get that, and you're like, whoa, you are everything I want, But I don't think I want that right because it can be too much. So it's it's just it's been different, but it's been good. I've learned a lot, and sometimes in general, people have all the check boxes on paper and it's still not what you want. And it's just because there's something that doesn't click. And that's okay. Yeah, I mean I can speak on you can't. Sorry, go ahead, go ahead. I'm thinking, well, I think the reason why I was out an watching him and he's like blowing bow said um anyway, I feel like there's the fear of putting too much and committing to someone that you feel like, UM doesn't want those same things. So I think the reason why I didn't work out for Joe and I, at least on the show, is because there was the fear that, um, there's a fear that maybe wouldn't be reciprocated, you know, in the same way. And I would say guys coming off the show maybe have a completely different experience than girls coming off the show. Um, And so maybe for a guy's like, oh, I can like you know, go around date and everything, and then for a girl's like, oh, man, like I've just learned all this about myself and I want to put it into like one person. I'm not trying to generalize women and men, but it's a fear. It's a fear to think like when you get off of this, and it's a female based audience. So um, when girls come off, it's more so like celebrating relationships. When guys come off, it's like, oh, there's such a field of like options, And so that is also something that's contributed to different experiences, as a fear to change your mind about how you feel. Yeah, because like we've done this for so long, how can you not being I'm like, I just don't feel that anymore. And I think people are free and so people stay in it because it is comfortable and it is right. Why would I get out of it? Look at our life but that's not always icing them a right. Yeah, it looks good, but it doesn't feel good. What's interesting, too, is that you can tell the difference of change in people from the people that left in the first three weeks and the people that stayed on after that. Yeah. Yeah, like the people that traveled together or whatever the case may be. At one point it's like a cutoff and the learning and how much people grew. You can kind of see even in the conversations after the show. I guess you'll talk to people from like week two or three and you're like, whoa, there's just a disconnect. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of the people in like week one, two, and three, and you're talking about relationships with those people and beyond after the show, Do y'all conclude them in the group chat? Because there is the group chat, the infamous group chat. Yeah, I think there's some, don't But we stopped a group chat a long time ago for Paradise. Oh well, no, there was a Bachelor group chat too. I was in it and I was a Week one guy, but I never participated. I think there was, so there might still be a group chat. It's just not Yeah, there was some I think it was selective kind of With Bachelor, I actually asked I didn't want to be on the group chat, so I didn't. I'm not in that, but Paradise I was in that one. Yeah, it's just like too much sometimes, you know, Yeah, it's too much. And it's usually the people except you, Joe. It's usually people who did not make it longer, who are like clinging on to, you know, ready to tell what happened. I have a lot of opinions, so you know, we're all we all come from the same world, and we talk about questions of people ask us. And I know one of the questions I get all the time is what do you do in the mansion all day? What do you do? And I'm like, we do interviews, we eat, we tan, we lay out, we work out. Like it's pretty much like a eat, sleep, shit type thing, right, Like it's like everything. But one of the things you could do is play games. I don't know if you guys play games. We played drinking games and that those were some of the most wild nights wild. But one of the games we would play is never have I Ever? So I want to play the Bachelor edition never Have I Ever? You guys everybody's played this game before, right, so we all know the rules. I don't know the rules. Yeah, I don't know the rules. I've done, So if you've done, I'm gonna ask a question. Never have I ever you know, had a threesome? Yeah? Okay, we played this on my season. I just realized answer the truth. I remember if we did the boat party in South Hill. Yeah, if you have done, then never have I ever. You have to take a sip of your drink and you are empty, so you need to fill up drink if you have. Okay, so we're gonna get real close and learn a lot about each other really quickly. So here we go. Oh, right in line, We've already talked about this. Never have I ever slid into another member of bats Nations DMS in general? Did you know them before? Because I Katie, I feel like you're trying to rationalize at drink and just for all of you out there, those who are drinking are Eric, Katie, Ohia, Brian, I'm looking at you real quick to make sure you're not drinking on this one. Never have I ever hit in the bathroom to avoid being filmed? Oh yeah, everybody drank except Eric. Look at the camera. We were all so tired of talking. Oh okay, never have I ever cried on camera? Everyone will I didn't cry? Oh okay, right, everybody, So everybody took a sip except for Brian. I didn't take a sip. I don't know why, but I thought you cried in Paradise. For some reason, you can't. Maybe I stepped away from the camera. That count. Really, you never cried on camera. I remember it was in Spain and we were doing b roll and it was down to the last two and just the thought of losing her or not having her moving forward, I got a little tear eyed, and I just stepped away. I was actually about to round a corner where they were going to be filming me, and I was like, give me two minutes, which is actually because Brian is emotional so like and he's like very in touch with emotions. So I'm actually shocked. You didn't cry on camera. Oh and I cried on camera. My producer was crying. So everybody was crying. It was a crime party. Oh here's a good one. Never have I ever hooked up in Paradise? Wait, let me break this. Never have I ever hooked up in the Paradise boom Boom room, Katie's taking a sist. How do you think I got a fiance? I made it Joe and I made it a point not to go in the boobom room. Maybe it was more so my decision not to go into speak for yourself. Yeah, I was like, I'm not going to pressure you, but if you want to, I'm not gonna say no. First of all, I knew that if I was alone in a room with leaving with Joe, it was going down, and I did. I did not want it to be where cameras were present. But are cameras in the boom boom Yes? So I just didn't trust myself alone. But they don't air that right, like I don't. There's a rustling. What's going on? Yeah? I know they aired other people in our our season. Well, that was an intense boom bo room situation. What happened? They had a lot of passions for each other, Yeah, there was as Yeah, it was cute. It was cute. I mean you passion. I mean you're you're dating for a while and you have like that sexual tension building up and U I believe me. I wanted to. I definitely wanted to go with Joe. But um, I think I was just so worried about there being video evidence. I don't I started worrying about it after it already happened, and I was like, well, well yeah, I mean this is in my head. Um okay, wait, Eric Tasia, no boom boom y'all never went in the boom boom room or you just want to be quiet? No, not a good one. You are. You are not a good liar. That doesn't mean that you have to be in a relationship to go boom boom. I mean how actually going to boom booe with you? Oh? I thought. I mean I've never been to Paradise. I just everybody's wildly it's hot. Well I never had room. One of them was air conditioned, and I was like, yeah, gotta go in there. Yeah, when you get air conditioning, something happens changed. You're like, where this is life? Now? Wow? Amazing? Okay. Never have I ever had to go to the hospital while filming? It's none of us, right, Yeah, no I don't. I don't know if that'll happen again. Um okay, never have I ever been in a hot tub in an obscure location? Oh well, what do you mean by that? Oh, I've never Oh, I never haven't done that either. I was like in a hallways, um, pretty much did everybody drink? No? Not jo is gonna be the host of everybody not Joe? Um? Okay. Never have I ever won a group date? Rose, I've never won a group day. I've never won a group date. Rose, take a drink, Katie. Oh wait oh wait no really never, gosh, I keep joy. Actually, if you know three one counts, it's a group The three on one count as a group date. It's totally a group what. Yeah, that counts? That aroup before Okay, I'll take it. I'm gonna skip around here. I'm gonna skip around. Um. Never have I ever kissed a celebrity? Oh, Joe's a celebrity. So true that bachelor people don't count. Never have I ever kissed the celebrity? What's considered? What is considered? It? What Instagram celebrity? Instagram celebrities don't count? An actual like a like an actor, actress who's popular? Yeah, somebody somebody who's okay, wow, who's a Rachel? Still? Um? I I was going to say something and then I was like, wait, that's not don't worry. It's not anything you don't know, Bran Rangel anybody else. Um, Never have I ever done it in a public place? What's public outside the home? Oh? Has everybody's drinking? Come on? I know, I know we're right everybody. I have a risk. Never have I ever skinny dipped? I have never show goes. I'm sure I was younger, seven year old, I'm sure. I'm sure, like a summer in high school or something. Um, okay, oh, this is a good one. Never have I ever dined and dashed? Oh? Never? Oh my god? Where you eat? Where you eat? So Jo like grew up in Chicago. Where was it? Hold on? What restaurant? Um? And we did it at um? I think steak and shake? Okay, okay, late nights for you. I mean it was it was a chain. It was corporate against the man. Yeah, I mean, you know you were a kid. Here's like sixth seventh grade and so like it was just for fun. Yeah, I was like, let's get out of here, scram Did they realize? Yeah, but they can't you do it. You're not condoned dine and dash on this podcast. Yeah, I mean we're talking about like ten year olds. Like, I don't do that anymore. Have you been back there since? I've actually I spent way too much money on really, be honest with you, if you actually looked, I looked at my American Express card, I'm what I spent this year, and I'm sick. No, I'm not going, but I mean restaurants. I've made it up to them, trust me. Okay, here this is this is the last one. So this is a good one. Never have I ever had a one night stand? Yeah? The only sex I knew for a while that knows that would be drinking our Joe, Eric, all the guys, Grand Rachel, Katie. We are done with the game playing portion of the show, so can everybody put on their headphones. We have a special person joining us on the podcast for our Friends Giving. Everybody have their headphones on? Yeah, hello, Hello, Hello, Oh my god? Is that Peter the Bad what's going on? Guys? What's up? We appreciate you joining our Friends Giving. No, thank you guys for having me. Nobody knew you were coming on. This is a surprise. Has anybody in the room met Peter? Yeah? Yeah, okay, So who's all who's all here? Yes? Okay, so you've got Rachel, my husband, Brian, Joe grocery store, Joe, Ken, Eric, Taysia, and Katie. Okay, yeah, very cool. How are you guys doing good? How are you I am? I'm definitely enjoying life right now. It's it's pretty good. It's quite the journey so far. Peter. You sound in love. If I must say yes, I mean as there is love in this room. But I'm telling you you really sound yeah. I've been trying my absolutely best to stay so open, not get too you know, too too invested in just one relationship and then close myself off a little too early. I remember talking about your season and we said, I was like, he's probably gonna fall in love with five women. He's just such a lover like it's just definitely going to get something out of him this season, and I don't know it's going to be a happy ending. So we're excited for you. Since we are doing Franks Giving in the spirit of Thanksgiving, what are you most grateful for so far as the Bachelor? I mean, I'm just just for this entire experience. I've been feeling just so grateful for the last couple months that, for whatever reason, you know, I was chosen to have this amazing, you know, experience, an opportunity to go find love in such a fun way, a once in a lifetime, you know, a type of way. I feel so grateful for honesty, all the women that I've been able to meet on this on this journey, and literally, like you guys are going to see such an amazing group. I can just tell like, for the most part, they're just all here, you know, for me and really giving this a shot. And I've just been so thankful for that. I will tell you from one lead to another while you put a phone in your hand, run Google something, take it away. I'm gonna let you go right now. Thank you for so much, Thanks so much. Well you guys, how happy to hate her? Sound? Who's madam? You met him after the Medium Paradise reunion? Oh yeah, I met him like a Demi's Paradise reunion. I was like on them back. Oh yeah, I've pictures of him and he's in the sweater and I'm like, that is so did Ben Higgins up that star pass down? Is it like a good duck sweater? Just totally looks like Yeah, he looks like me, acts like him. He sounds like him. I felt like I was talking to him. I'm excited that it'll be secret is double, that it'll be a season where we like, I know he's going to get engaged, and so I'm excited that, like, that's what we're going to get to see at the end of this. Yes, it's you know, we need we need a happy, happy ending in the Bachelor franchise exactly. There's been a lot of crazy endings recently. We're gonna wrap this up before we let you go, I just want to ask everyone at the table, what is the one thing that you are most grateful for coming out of the Bachelor franchise. I'll start my lovely girlfriend and moves. Yes, I am also thankful for those dance moves. Um, I would have to say, I am most thankful thankful for the ability to have a second chance with my relationship with Joe, because there was a time when it was maybe not going to happen, and I feel like I would have been making an incredible mistake. But no, now, knowing where we are now, I'm so happy that I'm able to have the experience of our relationship and to celebrate that. I would say, just perspective on relationships and dating and all the relationships built throughout this ranchise, producers, castmates, and people at this table. I'm grateful for you guys, so thank you. I agree, I have to say the people. I mean, I probably would not have met any of you guys otherwise. And a lot of the friendships that I've built, there are friendships that I, you know, put effort into every day. I still talked to a lot of the girls, and I feel like I've grown so much because of the friendships I've made. So I'm really grateful for the people I've met. Yeah, I would say the people I've met and like learning about myself. I'm really thankful because I feel that I thought I was already self aware, and it putting the camera on you, like you really learn to look inward and recognize where your faults are too, And so just being able to do that and even finding empathy with others has been something I've been really grateful for. Yeah, It's it's so hard to put it to one thing. Like, I truly am grateful for the entire experience because it's changed my life completely, Like my life is a complete one eighty in every single way and coming into the show and being so skeptical to coming out of it with a marriage is it's still insane to me. So I'm just so grateful that I did it. I was open to it, and I'm just thankful for everything that it's brought me. Bran. Yeah, I think the people not only on the show, but you know, the people that this show has been able to put me in front of after the show, I think has been really great. The experience, of course, and the personal growth. I would say I think everybody can relate to that, just the personal growth, all the positive that comes from this, and of course my lovely wife. So yeah, sorry, I didn't mention my fiance. So grateful for you. I took to what you were saying. You were talking about him, Okay, but yes, give him that shout out for sure. You guys, it has been so much fun. Thank you so much for being a part of the first ever Bachelor happy hour of friends giving. Um could not have done this without you, and I'm so glad that we're in great places, like just going around the room and hearing the growth that everyone has experienced because of this crazy Bachelor. You know, you call it crazy, but it is really a grow, a growing and learning process. So anyways, everybody seems to be in such a great place, so we have to cheers to that, Rightagno cheers to love, but just cheers to I was oh, I was just about to say that. Cheers to life, you guys, my guy. Oh, Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you all for our friends for coming on Bachelor Happy Hour to do our first ever friendsgiving. Thank you for helping Brian and I host it today, and hopefully we can make this an annual thing. Love to have you back. Don't think just because you did one you're done. You can come back Okay, And next week we will be talking to Ari and Lauren. Can't wait to catch up with them and see how life is with little Lessie. So tune in next week to Bachelor Happy Hour. In the meantime, you can get all the latest Batchelornation news on batchelnation dot com right now. And if you have something that you want to tell us, good, bad, whatever, We're open to constructive criticism. 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