Ep. 428: The Complete Hulk Hogan, The Birth of Terry Bollea (Part 2)

<v Speaker 1>We are so very much back on the Complete Hulk Hogan,
<v Speaker 1>the definitive audio chronicle of the most famous and impactful
<v Speaker 1>wrestler there has ever been. Hulk Hogan here in the
<v Speaker 1>lapsed van is squarely in our crosshairs for as long
<v Speaker 1>as it takes. It could be years, it could be decades.
<v Speaker 1>All you got to know is your co chairman, thanks
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<v Speaker 1>If you don't know by now, we're starting from the
<v Speaker 1>very beginning. What we're starting where in Italy?
<v Speaker 2>Again? I like it?
<v Speaker 3>Remember is.
<v Speaker 2>Wait?
<v Speaker 3>You mean yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I do mean there we go. It's pietro Bo.
<v Speaker 1>From Italy and we took you last time. In our
<v Speaker 1>opening salvo on the Complete hul Cogan's through his family's
<v Speaker 1>entire immigration to the country, how Panama the Panama Canal
<v Speaker 1>Project played such a critical role and where the Bowleyas
<v Speaker 1>were weird from a trailer park in Acon, South Carolina
<v Speaker 1>to Tampa, Florida, all the way through to the story
<v Speaker 1>in saga of hul Cogan's lost brother Alan Bolea.
<v Speaker 2>And Alan Madia. I think Alan rules Alan. It's all
<v Speaker 2>very clear we got Kenny Mania and we got Alan rules.
<v Speaker 2>Is it too early to call Alan Bola the hero
<v Speaker 2>of the journey? Not at all? Listen, Listen one, the
<v Speaker 2>one and done man, Alan Belea absolutely the hero. Listen
<v Speaker 2>tells me that fucking go through all of Hogan's in
<v Speaker 2>ring exploits, We're still going to somehow our true north
<v Speaker 2>on this thing is still going to be Allen. I think,
<v Speaker 2>I think, really it's gonna always come back to Alan
<v Speaker 2>or you know how, And what did Kenny do to
<v Speaker 2>fuck over hul Cogan?
<v Speaker 1>That's correct, That is correct, And Kenny's up there as well,
<v Speaker 1>Kenny me and you're running wild here on the cast.
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, you're not gonna find You're not gonna
<v Speaker 1>find more stones overturned in the earliest rearing days. This
<v Speaker 1>is the birth of Terry Boleya as opposed to the
<v Speaker 1>growth of Hulkogen. It's a very necessary preamble.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I mean it's this, this, this sets
<v Speaker 2>the stage for the fiction and the reality.
<v Speaker 1>And if you think the fiction only begins after he
<v Speaker 1>breaks into the wrestling business, you're out of your fucking mind,
<v Speaker 1>because everything he's ever said about this point in his life,
<v Speaker 1>he said after he became famous in the wrestling business.
<v Speaker 1>Ss k fabe all the way.
<v Speaker 2>It's all fiction.
<v Speaker 1>We have access to non k fab records, don't we other? Exactly.
<v Speaker 1>There's a reason we couldn't do this when he was alive.
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<v Speaker 2>You know where I get it? Where do you get it?
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<v Speaker 1>That's where it's gonna be, and that's what it's going
<v Speaker 1>to be cracked open for the next long while. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>hul Cogan loved de Bruski, man, he did.
<v Speaker 2>You mean Savage at the six pack in the back
<v Speaker 2>of the gym? Brotherer that that's the story.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 2>It is funny how there are certain Hogan stories that
<v Speaker 2>just really stick with you, and that one with him
<v Speaker 2>and Savage wanting to come to WCW and the two
<v Speaker 2>of them drinking a six pack in the back of
<v Speaker 2>a gym after midnight, after midnight is just it's just
<v Speaker 2>fucking it's amazing. That's It's just one of those stories.
<v Speaker 1>What's great about that story is I'm sure it happened.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.
<v Speaker 1>One of the trends we're going to detect is we
<v Speaker 1>go through the complete Hull Coogan in his life and
<v Speaker 1>his fictions, is that, you know, a lot of times
<v Speaker 1>his complete whoppers of lies. It's not that you can't
<v Speaker 1>find out where he got the idea from, because he
<v Speaker 1>swaps himself into scenarios that have happened.
<v Speaker 2>To wrestlers exactly.
<v Speaker 1>We're about to learn about his little league baseball career
<v Speaker 1>out in Tampa and the inter Bay team, and by
<v Speaker 1>the time he gets his his narrative clause on this thing.
<v Speaker 1>By the time his second book comes out, you will
<v Speaker 1>not believe the representations he makes about what he achieved.
<v Speaker 2>On the little league field.
<v Speaker 1>Cor how in start contrast, it stands to the record.
<v Speaker 1>But that's what we're here to do. As we go,
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna lay late, lay down the truth as well
<v Speaker 1>as the lies. There's no other way like to attack
<v Speaker 1>the complete Hulk Cogan than that.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I just want to let you know,
<v Speaker 2>remember you remember last time I had some there was
<v Speaker 2>some question about about Hogan's great great grandmother who it was,
<v Speaker 2>whether it was this Katina or Teressa. Well, I'm getting
<v Speaker 2>more evidence that it was Teressa, And so all those
<v Speaker 2>fucking family trees out there, they're all fucking wrong. Look,
<v Speaker 2>that's what I do love about this is that is
<v Speaker 2>that you know, the more details you know, I'm I'm
<v Speaker 2>keeping ad into this to this fam this Hogan family tree,
<v Speaker 2>and so it just it constantly evolves because people people
<v Speaker 2>add new things, or people find new things, and so
<v Speaker 2>if it has any kind of connection, it gets added.
<v Speaker 2>Like I get a notification saying, hey, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>get a possible hint for this individual, and just keeps growing.
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's a never ending beast.
<v Speaker 1>And I've had little hints along the way in my
<v Speaker 1>research that indicate that bolay of family members are active
<v Speaker 1>on these sites.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes they are, They absolutely are. There are There
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of There are a lot of uh
<v Speaker 2>like these these family trees. You can when I get
<v Speaker 2>a suggestion from another family tree, it says who the
<v Speaker 2>creator is, and they're all blayas yep, and a lot
<v Speaker 2>of blaya is.
<v Speaker 1>So we've tapped into that main line of Hull Camnia
<v Speaker 1>in so many ways. But if it's going to be
<v Speaker 1>about fiction, why don't we start here. Okay, we're going
<v Speaker 1>to talk about Terry bolays upbringing as a young boy
<v Speaker 1>in Tampa and his coming of age into becoming a
<v Speaker 1>musician and then eventually a wrestler. We've got to start
<v Speaker 1>with a fictionalized account of his childhood. There was a
<v Speaker 1>TV show back in the day, early nineties, late eighties
<v Speaker 1>I think is when it started. It was called Stories
<v Speaker 1>from Growing Up What And this was just like like
<v Speaker 1>a ten minute, fifteen minute interstitial where they would do
<v Speaker 1>dramatic reenactments of moments in the childhoods of famous celebrities
<v Speaker 1>and once Halt Coogan himself was featured on Stories from
<v Speaker 1>Growing Up.
<v Speaker 2>What is this show? I've never heard of this.
<v Speaker 1>I don't even really think of it as a show.
<v Speaker 1>I think of it as more like a long infomercial
<v Speaker 1>or something that would air like in dead time when
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have much in their way of program Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of like a syndicated deal. It wasn't like,
<v Speaker 1>as far as I can tell, it wasn't like it
<v Speaker 1>was on one station at one time every week. It
<v Speaker 1>was all over the place. It was kind of just
<v Speaker 1>like a little project. And it was all about, you know,
<v Speaker 1>trying to tell stories about how even your favorite celebrities
<v Speaker 1>had difficulties and obstacles as children, you know, to inspire
<v Speaker 1>our little kids. And if that's what you want Hull
<v Speaker 1>Cogan to spin his childhood to be, that's what he's
<v Speaker 1>gonna do. So I think what we might be having
<v Speaker 1>here is kind of our first document of hul Cogan
<v Speaker 1>fictionalizing his childhood thoroughly for the sake of narrative, for
<v Speaker 1>the sake of, you know, checking certain boxes in terms
<v Speaker 1>of creating a certain traumatic arc about his life, whether
<v Speaker 1>it existed or not, and so we're gonna watch it.
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna watch it all the way through. This is
<v Speaker 1>Hull Cogan on stories from growing Up. We're gonna listen
<v Speaker 1>closely and watch closely. You can find this on YouTube
<v Speaker 1>if you want to watch along lost man.
<v Speaker 2>Are you ready? I am ready?
<v Speaker 1>Three two one play story he's from growing up that
<v Speaker 1>looks nineties?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Does? What the fuck class?
<v Speaker 3>Let's know.
<v Speaker 2>What the West Coast of Real Sunshine never got to.
<v Speaker 2>It's like the second verse of the Star Spangled Danny.
<v Speaker 4>Pythons are on the prow with you behind me. I'm
<v Speaker 4>part of the strongest force in the universe. I don't
<v Speaker 4>care if it's the earthquake. I don't care if it's
<v Speaker 4>Dio Bravo.
<v Speaker 2>I don't care either.
<v Speaker 4>Even mister perfect Comania rules it was what but it
<v Speaker 4>wasn't always that way.
<v Speaker 2>The Date Palms in Tampa, all these kids surround him.
<v Speaker 3>I do anything for attention. I mean in it.
<v Speaker 4>Ah.
<v Speaker 2>That's a little fat Terry stuff in his face with food.
<v Speaker 2>The kids are dragging them on like you're chugging from
<v Speaker 2>a kid. We're like Terry Blooney in no way.
<v Speaker 5>Gery five minutes.
<v Speaker 3>He's gonna make it.
<v Speaker 2>They also made a kid do this. By the way,
<v Speaker 2>let's not forget that. Okay, there's a gust actor who's
<v Speaker 2>doing this.
<v Speaker 6>I never see. We can explode you for me, eat.
<v Speaker 2>You, motherfucker. You're fucking smoothest, smells.
<v Speaker 7>Pretty five second mark.
<v Speaker 2>S sick. What Hogan's first rude? I made it. We
<v Speaker 2>ate non stop man first on the moon you yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and then it stops burps.
<v Speaker 3>Des was the coolest.
<v Speaker 4>I wanted hers or my girlfriend got that.
<v Speaker 8>Right's right, let's get out of here.
<v Speaker 3>But now even she was against me. I felt like
<v Speaker 3>a total jerk. Dudes, and then it hit me, I
<v Speaker 3>mean it really hit me.
<v Speaker 2>Gremlins. Yeah, so he's running across a campus cause to
<v Speaker 2>throw up somewhere else. I know he's not a college campus,
<v Speaker 2>but he's ten years old. Terry, Hang on a minute.
<v Speaker 4>Mister Rose was my guitar teacher. He was actual dude
<v Speaker 4>and my only friend.
<v Speaker 3>How's it going?
<v Speaker 2>He was not his only friend yesterday.
<v Speaker 3>You're really improving.
<v Speaker 2>In his book.
<v Speaker 3>You sure everything's okay?
<v Speaker 2>Be good? Also, making the right of the thing with
<v Speaker 2>this music is also very new, so he's I guess
<v Speaker 2>he threw up in the bathroom.
<v Speaker 4>At the supermarket five minutes. It turned out to be
<v Speaker 4>a roadblock on my path to popularity. Why did the
<v Speaker 4>other kids like me? I just couldn't understand.
<v Speaker 3>That was it? Man, People in sports were always cool.
<v Speaker 2>This is a spress.
<v Speaker 3>I could play on the offensive line.
<v Speaker 2>He didn't play football.
<v Speaker 3>I could be the offensive line.
<v Speaker 2>Well, he certainly would say a few offensive linds later
<v Speaker 2>on his list to get to spit his pants running
<v Speaker 2>the tires. He didn't play football. He didn't.
<v Speaker 9>All right, look it up for you, guys, Terry or Brady, Man,
<v Speaker 9>get out there, okay, guys, go get him.
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't.
<v Speaker 2>Sending them all to tackle Terry. Get the football.
<v Speaker 3>Beat Terry.
<v Speaker 2>Terry running for his thump. So they all run past him.
<v Speaker 2>They out running because he said football.
<v Speaker 3>Much running for me? Pastime was where was happening?
<v Speaker 6>Jack?
<v Speaker 2>He's talking to what's.
<v Speaker 3>Too small over eighty a quarter?
<v Speaker 6>That's not my fault.
<v Speaker 2>I know that that's cool.
<v Speaker 5>But sure, howbo your hommet kept following?
<v Speaker 3>That fits watermelon head having a problem.
<v Speaker 2>Now, this is terrible. The little league buck. This is
<v Speaker 2>a little more closer than representage of voice. You know,
<v Speaker 2>what he saw of them was gutting his brother allan
<v Speaker 2>to come in and kill all these kids.
<v Speaker 9>You're waiting to it, you can hit it.
<v Speaker 2>Watermelon had watermelon head. They called Terry the palm trees.
<v Speaker 2>In the background, he swings Missus and falls on his ass.
<v Speaker 2>Even he was an incredible power leader.
<v Speaker 10>Right, he's got to act this please Now I want
<v Speaker 10>to say, deep breath and exhil.
<v Speaker 4>What is it.
<v Speaker 2>Now?
<v Speaker 1>Sat Terry's about to jump into the pool.
<v Speaker 3>This was a life Hulk of maniacs, the smell of chlorine.
<v Speaker 2>Humans like women, this tide. This kid was hired to
<v Speaker 2>play young Holko. He's out there.
<v Speaker 4>You know how.
<v Speaker 2>Excited he was. Yes, well you're gonna play fat young
<v Speaker 2>Holk Hogan because they thought he thought wh Hulk was
<v Speaker 2>a kid. He was like a superhero. Hulk just broadly
<v Speaker 2>flopped into the.
<v Speaker 10>Pool killer Whale, no no, no title and Terry.
<v Speaker 2>Cary brother the money that's a shirt.
<v Speaker 4>But she was laughing at me even damn that type
<v Speaker 4>of punishment.
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't he have like why did we needy minny?
<v Speaker 3>Right?
<v Speaker 2>Hulk being made fun of being fat?
<v Speaker 3>Why?
<v Speaker 1>Because they aren't exactly alive with the sound of music.
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you want to tell me what's wrong?
<v Speaker 3>It's all right. Nobody likes me.
<v Speaker 4>The hoster open the floodgates and it all poured out
<v Speaker 4>like water over Niagara Falls. Man, How I hated being fat?
<v Speaker 4>How I wanted to be good at something. How I
<v Speaker 4>wanted them to just stop making fun of me.
<v Speaker 3>What do they know? There's nothing wrong with that, Norman.
<v Speaker 3>Sometime size can be a good thing.
<v Speaker 2>Let me show you. Is that our sineo?
<v Speaker 3>Who's fat? Me? I was a fat kid too. Every way,
<v Speaker 3>eat it today, wear it tomorrow.
<v Speaker 2>Brother, I win it today, wear it tomorrow, dude.
<v Speaker 3>But the more miserable I was, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah the way.
<v Speaker 3>So what did you do?
<v Speaker 6>I started working out, brother, and I laid off the
<v Speaker 6>junk food.
<v Speaker 2>And I started.
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes let me thorn peanuts and uprising.
<v Speaker 2>But a tennis ball under your skin want.
<v Speaker 3>And I do. So. I should have a goal, absolutely, Terry.
<v Speaker 3>It can be anything you want.
<v Speaker 2>The most teacher said, you should have a goal your.
<v Speaker 3>Cereal.
<v Speaker 4>Mister Rose was a cool guy. If he could do it,
<v Speaker 4>then I could do it.
<v Speaker 2>Here we go, cleaning out all the jump from his locker.
<v Speaker 2>I was running.
<v Speaker 4>It was like hull look cop dudes and duets. I
<v Speaker 4>was recreated from now on. It would be only positive
<v Speaker 4>thoughts and positive deeds.
<v Speaker 3>So I created the fourmands.
<v Speaker 4>Work hard what second, say your prayers. Third, make sure
<v Speaker 4>you take your viabmins every day.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not seeing the difference in his kids.
<v Speaker 2>It's the same. He's not a thing in there.
<v Speaker 4>Filey dudes, believe in yourself. The world was now ready
<v Speaker 4>for truth, justice and the Hulk covid way.
<v Speaker 2>Its lackey too. It's still fat.
<v Speaker 4>Rose helped me set sail for the new world. Man,
<v Speaker 4>no more feeling sorry for myself. I was gonna turn
<v Speaker 4>a negative into a positive. But Rome wasn't built in
<v Speaker 4>a day haulk maniacs, and neither was this. It took
<v Speaker 4>a lot of hard work and positive thought. But now
<v Speaker 4>I'm strong on the outside, but more important, I'm strong
<v Speaker 4>on the inside. So what you're gonna do when hul
<v Speaker 4>Comania runs wild on you?
<v Speaker 2>Directed by Mary Bethfielder? Where is she these days? Stories
<v Speaker 2>from growing out Thoughts? I God, I don't I have no.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know where to begin with that.
<v Speaker 3>That is no.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's you.
<v Speaker 1>Now have a mental image of young Terry, whether you want.
<v Speaker 2>It or not. I know, and I just don't understand,
<v Speaker 2>Like I I don't know. It just felt like a
<v Speaker 2>very repetitive thing, like it didn't really do much. And
<v Speaker 2>then you know, you don't really see a difference in
<v Speaker 2>the kid. They're not gonna have the kid actually drop
<v Speaker 2>weight for this, I know, like special, Yeah, and like
<v Speaker 2>that's part of the problem, Like you know, you don't
<v Speaker 2>see this this kid actually improve.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's raising his hands in victory after running up
<v Speaker 1>the stadium steps, and he's just as fat as he
<v Speaker 1>was when he was eating two packs of Oreos.
<v Speaker 2>Tremendous stuff. You want to know something, I'll tell you.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you a little secret here. H This was
<v Speaker 2>apparently the last thing that Mary Beth Fielder directed. We
<v Speaker 2>got added to the Death well no, not dead, she
<v Speaker 2>just never directed anything after that Dead to the rest
<v Speaker 2>of the world. She directed an episode of thirty something
<v Speaker 2>and an episode of the New Adventures of Bean Baxter
<v Speaker 2>and then this.
<v Speaker 1>Amazing and that was it. It was very much cut
<v Speaker 1>in the style of like kids programming of the day, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, totally Oh my god, yeah, I mean I feel
<v Speaker 2>like I must have seen this at some point.
<v Speaker 1>It's like in a minute in those things, right right, amazing,
<v Speaker 1>where's the kid who played Hulkogan in this what's he doing?
<v Speaker 1>Where is he now? How do we line up an interview?
<v Speaker 1>That's my question, yep, But that's going to be my question,
<v Speaker 1>I think for the duration of this journey, because there's
<v Speaker 1>people out there who were in Hulk Hogan's periphery but
<v Speaker 1>were on the inner side, in an inner circle such
<v Speaker 1>as it existed. They are just endlessly fascinating to me. Now,
<v Speaker 1>a minor correction, It's not that Hulk Cogan never played
<v Speaker 1>football a day in his life, but he absolutely was
<v Speaker 1>not known as a football player. He says in one
<v Speaker 1>of his books that everybody wanted him to play football,
<v Speaker 1>particularly in high school, because he was so big and
<v Speaker 1>he played a little, but when they put him on
<v Speaker 1>the varsity team in tenth grade, he hated it so much.
<v Speaker 1>Equid after two games and what they were showing. There
<v Speaker 1>was a story that he tells where his pe teacher.
<v Speaker 1>It was on the football field for the where they
<v Speaker 1>did pe, but it wasn't as part of a football team.
<v Speaker 2>This certainly wasn't wearing a helmet. This was a Nickelodeon thing.
<v Speaker 2>That seems very right. This seems like every Nickelodeon show yes,
<v Speaker 2>it does. It absolutely does, escially around the Are you
<v Speaker 2>scared of the dar and all that? Yep, I afraid
<v Speaker 2>of the dark.
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, he was running on that field as
<v Speaker 1>part of pe. And yes, the guy who was his
<v Speaker 1>PE teacher would make him, according to his book, run
<v Speaker 1>back and forth so that you know, the other kids
<v Speaker 1>would pass him and lap him and kind of point
<v Speaker 1>out how out of shape he was. But it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>with football pads or a helmet on. It was really baseball.
<v Speaker 1>That was as sport as we'll get to. And he
<v Speaker 1>basically says, you know that people hated him because he
<v Speaker 1>quit football. You know, when you're three hundred pounds in
<v Speaker 1>high school, like you're useless to people unless you play football.
<v Speaker 2>That's a reality that doesn't get talked about enough.
<v Speaker 1>Who's the big kid in Friday Night Lights, that tragic case,
<v Speaker 1>you know, the big fat kid. That kid has no
<v Speaker 1>choice but to play football. Of course, like otherwise people
<v Speaker 1>are just going to look at him as like a
<v Speaker 1>complete waste of human life.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was being told, I was told basically
<v Speaker 2>in high school that I had no choice, but I
<v Speaker 2>just still said no, oh, really, they were trying to
<v Speaker 2>get you in my God, the like the moment, the
<v Speaker 2>moment I set foot in the school. The fucking the
<v Speaker 2>football coaches were like, I would say, my first my
<v Speaker 2>like my first semester of high school. They were all
<v Speaker 2>like trying to get me on the on the on
<v Speaker 2>the jam. I never knew that. Yeah, No, I was
<v Speaker 2>like horrified. I kind of wish was I kind of
<v Speaker 2>wish I had now because I think I think I
<v Speaker 2>would have enjoyed it. But I at the time, I
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, no, I'm a band guy. Let me alone.
<v Speaker 2>I gotta play my trumpet. Mmm, are you hult Cogan?
<v Speaker 2>Because that's exactly what we just saw exactly brother brother
<v Speaker 2>brother Phil was my mister Rhodes, but brother Phil Brooks. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but brother Phil never Brother Phil never taught me how
<v Speaker 2>to train.
<v Speaker 1>And did brother Phil ever confide in you about being
<v Speaker 1>fat to once? No, tremendous. So that's exactly we just
<v Speaker 1>that was fucking magical which just happened right there. That's
<v Speaker 1>exactly how helped it helped. Didn't want to do resting either.
<v Speaker 1>They wanted him on the wrestling team, and ironically, considering
<v Speaker 1>what he went on to do, you want to touch
<v Speaker 1>that physicality either in his second book, he's a lot
<v Speaker 1>more forthcoming about how really at the end of the day,
<v Speaker 1>you'd be surprised. He's just a guy that wants to
<v Speaker 1>avoid confrontation, like he wants to he wants all the money,
<v Speaker 1>but he wants none of the confrontation. And when you
<v Speaker 1>think of him that way, like it kind of makes
<v Speaker 1>sense the way he moved through the world, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and while he was always so like up to the
<v Speaker 1>line of trying to like have a feud with somebody,
<v Speaker 1>but always stepping back from that brink of like, might
<v Speaker 1>I get actually get attacked in a parking lot. And
<v Speaker 1>that's why the Hulk Hogan paranoia character that we've developed
<v Speaker 1>over our time together is so spot on, because it's true.
<v Speaker 1>He really is afraid of having his physical trump card pulled.
<v Speaker 1>He's horrified by it, and he has been since he
<v Speaker 1>was a kid. It isn't just a pro wrestling thing.
<v Speaker 1>So that's just that's fascinating to me in its own way.
<v Speaker 2>It kind of is. It's it's uh, it's such an
<v Speaker 2>interesting thing that he would end up kind of being
<v Speaker 2>in this in a very in a very competitive business,
<v Speaker 2>and that he would be not only go in it,
<v Speaker 2>but become the biggest star in an extremely competitive business
<v Speaker 2>that required, you know, physical altercations. It's so wild.
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to it as we get into the birth
<v Speaker 1>of Hulk Hogan as opposed to the birth of Terry Bolea.
<v Speaker 1>But what he basically describes in contradictory ways depending on
<v Speaker 1>which version of the story you hear him tell, is
<v Speaker 1>that once he realized that pro wrestling, he was a
<v Speaker 1>fan and he was going to the matches in Tampa, sure,
<v Speaker 1>but once he realized that actually these guys were cooperating
<v Speaker 1>with each other, that's when he really got bullish about
<v Speaker 1>becoming a pro wrestler because that took that that physical
<v Speaker 1>combat phobia out of the equation for him, and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>this is what I can do because he was, you know,
<v Speaker 1>he said, a hippie rock band guy. That's what he
<v Speaker 1>was doing around Tampa, right. Well, we just sawway from
<v Speaker 1>the leverage to that size. And while this emphasizes he
<v Speaker 1>was a fat kid, a fat kid, I'm I'm not
<v Speaker 1>saying it wasn't fat. I mean, we've I've seen plenty
<v Speaker 1>of pictures by now of him. What he was was
<v Speaker 1>he was just e extremely tall, like ludicrously tall, for
<v Speaker 1>a teenage and he was look he he was also wide,
<v Speaker 1>like I've seen a bunch of short a bunch of
<v Speaker 1>pictures from yearbooks and stuff like that, and he was wide.
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't, but he wasn't like I don't know, he
<v Speaker 2>wasn't like obese. No, No, he wasn't. I wouldn't.
<v Speaker 1>I would be surprised if he was called a fat kid.
<v Speaker 1>And he certainly didn't look like this in this special.
<v Speaker 1>This kid is short, fat kid. He's shorter than everyone
<v Speaker 1>who's surrounding him trying to egg him on to stuff
<v Speaker 1>his face. This kid was Hogan Terry Boley was taller
<v Speaker 1>than high schoolers when he was in fucking junior high school.
<v Speaker 1>So that that really doesn't track what we just saw there.
<v Speaker 1>It was the height he was.
<v Speaker 2>He's a giant.
<v Speaker 1>You see pictures of him in Little League lineups. You
<v Speaker 1>see pictures of him, you know, posing with other people
<v Speaker 1>that other kids that he won bowling trophies with, and
<v Speaker 1>he looks like he's a fucking he looks like he
<v Speaker 1>has Audrey the giantism right had done some of these pictures,
<v Speaker 1>honestly does and he did have a huge head. But fat, No,
<v Speaker 1>and definitely not a short, fat kid, no way, No,
<v Speaker 1>definitely not. But for purposes, I guess if that inspire
<v Speaker 1>kids to work out storyline that they were insisting on there,
<v Speaker 1>they had they had to, they had to go with it.
<v Speaker 1>But in terms of the gym and in terms of
<v Speaker 1>his actual entrede to working out and being interested in it,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where he got the whole thing about
<v Speaker 1>it being his uh his guitar teacher that that convinced
<v Speaker 1>him to uh to try to work out. What he
<v Speaker 1>basically says is that one of his friends wanted to
<v Speaker 1>ride to the gym one day, Scott Thornton, his car
<v Speaker 1>broke down and he asked Hulk Terry if he would
<v Speaker 1>give him a ride to his gym, Hector's Gym on
<v Speaker 1>Platt Street, Hulk recalls in his first book a really
<v Speaker 1>tough area of Tampa, and he gave him a ride
<v Speaker 1>just to be a good friend, not because he was
<v Speaker 1>interested in the gym. And once he got to the gym,
<v Speaker 1>according to Hulk, Scott Thornton asked him to come in,
<v Speaker 1>and Hope didn't even want to come in. So this
<v Speaker 1>is like way after he would have had any kind
<v Speaker 1>of talking to by his fucking guitar team about how
<v Speaker 1>to lift weights. I mean, I don't know, maybe it's
<v Speaker 1>in there, maybe it happened, but he certainly didn't bother
<v Speaker 1>mentioning it in his book, where he's as we've already
<v Speaker 1>had fun with, extremely detailed for no reason about places,
<v Speaker 1>street names, so weird, like anyone cares about the geographical
<v Speaker 1>specificities of Tampa, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But you know he would ride. Why wouldn't you be brother?
<v Speaker 1>And this wasn't This wasn't even until he was playing
<v Speaker 1>in bands in high school that this gym thing happens.
<v Speaker 1>Not this this junior high terry bolea that that's that's
<v Speaker 1>portrayed on what we just watched. And he said, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I was a fat kid with long hair playing in
<v Speaker 1>a band. I was embarrassed to walk into a place
<v Speaker 1>like this gym. But he was convinced to go in.
<v Speaker 1>And he saw four or five guys in there. They
<v Speaker 1>all started to look up to him, and they were
<v Speaker 1>mountain men and they were nice to him. And he
<v Speaker 1>wasn't used to that. He was used to being called
<v Speaker 1>a piece of shit or made to feel like a
<v Speaker 1>piece of shit. But when a guy with that kind
<v Speaker 1>of size walks into a gym. People get excited about
<v Speaker 1>what he might be able to do and how he
<v Speaker 1>might be able to develop into a powerlifter that could
<v Speaker 1>really bring repute to the gym.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's my words, not his. But all of a
<v Speaker 1>sudden he's surrounded by people who were like, no, push yourself, man,
<v Speaker 1>and helping spot him and encouraging him, and so that
<v Speaker 1>made a huge difference, calling spot calling a lot of things,
<v Speaker 1>calling the cops. Have here, Oh my god, that's the
<v Speaker 1>airbook photo. You can see hal Cogan in his face.
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yeah, I mean, but a fact, kid, I wouldn't.
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't have jowls. He's got a jaw lined. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's all fish, he is.
<v Speaker 2>It's from nineteen sixty nine.
<v Speaker 1>Amazing next to Marcia Boggs, Janet Bocock, Renee Bobo, Rochelle Bloomston,
<v Speaker 1>Dennis Blakeley Blakey. I wonder what they're up to now.
<v Speaker 1>They remember terrrib terrible? Remember remember remember like kick him
<v Speaker 1>in the balls or something like that. Earl Bengle, what
<v Speaker 1>what do you do to Earle Bingle?
<v Speaker 3>Oh?
<v Speaker 1>I know all was really tough. Fun and you know,
<v Speaker 1>the fictionalization continues and take a look at this thing.
<v Speaker 1>This is a There was a cartoon called Biography Hulk Hogan.
<v Speaker 1>This apparently was like a series of comic strips in
<v Speaker 1>the mid eighties that would run in newspapers. This ran,
<v Speaker 1>among other papers, I suppose, in the Winnipeg Sun. And
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like a comic strip of Hulk Hogan's
<v Speaker 1>early life, similar to this, kind of like biographical sketch special,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like here's a famous person, here's.
<v Speaker 2>What you want to know about him?
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, they show they show an illustration of a baby.
<v Speaker 1>Oh Jesus in diapers. Why don't you read through the
<v Speaker 1>different panels of this comic boss with Oh my god?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Biography by John Roman featuring Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan,
<v Speaker 2>the Worldlessing Entertainments heavyweight champ has been credited with the
<v Speaker 2>rise of WrestleMania worldwide. That's absolutely correct. I've never heard
<v Speaker 2>of that one. His awesome presence in charisma have made
<v Speaker 2>him an international celebrity. It was said of Hulk born
<v Speaker 2>Harry Bolea on August eleventh, nineteen fifty three, that if
<v Speaker 2>there were weight divisions for newborns, he would have been
<v Speaker 2>placed with the three month olds. Okay, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>just want to say, Mike my child weighed more than him,
<v Speaker 2>by the way, so not impressive.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that doesn't really Yeah, that doesn't track because
<v Speaker 1>he was ten pounds something that movie. Yes, yeah, no,
<v Speaker 1>no nothing. Mike my kid was eleven pounds five ounces,
<v Speaker 1>So fuck that.
<v Speaker 3>Hul Cogan.
<v Speaker 2>Hull Cogan never dreamed of being a champion wrestler in
<v Speaker 2>his early career. Well if he what career, then what
<v Speaker 2>do you know? I mean early life because this.
<v Speaker 1>Is clearly more about the illustrations.
<v Speaker 2>If he was next in his early career, he would
<v Speaker 2>definitely want to be world champion. I would imagine, imagine
<v Speaker 2>every wrestler in their early career wants to be a
<v Speaker 2>world champion.
<v Speaker 6>Give me the last fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast
<v Speaker 6>that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
<v Speaker 6>He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Sorrow.
<v Speaker 1>And I will say this, this is eighty six. You know,
<v Speaker 1>no other wrestler in the business is going to get
<v Speaker 1>oh no drawing up. This is this is what we
<v Speaker 1>can never forget about. What Hulk Hogan did is he
<v Speaker 1>put himself in the conversation of people that like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>well he is a celebrity.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just like you know, I mean, we've
<v Speaker 2>said this before. He just I feel like if they
<v Speaker 2>had been able to pull off a movie in eighty seven, yep,
<v Speaker 2>it would have been successful. Yeah, or even eighty five
<v Speaker 2>or six, Well, I think that might have been. I
<v Speaker 2>think they would need to I think WrestleMania needed needed
<v Speaker 2>to happen first before they could wrestle Mania three. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying WrestleMania one needed to happen before they could say, hey,
<v Speaker 2>let's make a movie. I agree and so, but I
<v Speaker 2>think between eighty five and eighty seven they could have
<v Speaker 2>made a movie.
<v Speaker 1>It should have come out just as he started being
<v Speaker 1>featured on Saturday.
<v Speaker 2>Night's main event. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they could have promoted that shit at NBC. People
<v Speaker 1>hadn't gone to see that movie. Absolutely, I think I
<v Speaker 1>think it would have been It would have been a
<v Speaker 1>different mom He would have had a different career if
<v Speaker 1>it be absolutely pulled that off. And in fact, while
<v Speaker 1>attending college near Tampa, Florida, he studied music and performed
<v Speaker 1>in a local rock and roll band, Lifting ways to
<v Speaker 1>perfect his already massive frame, Hogan was soon spotted by
<v Speaker 1>a wrestling promoter who trained and aimed the Hulk toward
<v Speaker 1>the professional wrestling ring. Hulk Hogan's motion picture debut in
<v Speaker 1>ninet eighty two as Thunderlips and Rocky Three made him
<v Speaker 1>an overnight sensation. Two years later, Hulk Hogan defeated the
<v Speaker 1>Iron Chek to capture the world crown of professional wrestling.
<v Speaker 1>He now reigns as one of the most popular sports
<v Speaker 1>figures of the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>That's wild, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Just a little snippet of how big of a deal
<v Speaker 1>Hogan was by eighty six, and again how the story
<v Speaker 1>of his childhood is now starting to become a part
<v Speaker 1>of the lore, starting to be folded into what people
<v Speaker 1>are learning about how Hulk Hogan came to be. It's
<v Speaker 1>time now for a passage from his book. We're going
<v Speaker 1>to talk about uh kind of pick up where we
<v Speaker 1>left off a bit in part one where Hogan's talking
<v Speaker 1>about his father leaving New Hampshire. We joked about him
<v Speaker 1>saying he doesn't know why he left New Hampshire, while
<v Speaker 1>elsewhere in two other books explaining precisely why he did.
<v Speaker 1>But this is Hull Coogan describing his folks when he
<v Speaker 1>was a kid and what he remembers about being a
<v Speaker 1>kid in Tampa.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure why my dad left New Hampshire. I
<v Speaker 2>never asked him, but I know he was a hard
<v Speaker 2>work or two, a guy who took pride in what
<v Speaker 2>he did. I went on the job with him a
<v Speaker 2>few times. Brother, when I was a kid.
<v Speaker 1>He was a fun dudg You didn't go on to
<v Speaker 1>job with job, That's true.
<v Speaker 2>Good point. He was a foreman at that point, and
<v Speaker 2>he had a couple of key guys who he relied on.
<v Speaker 2>There was one when was he said this is I
<v Speaker 2>didn't go past really much in my research on him.
<v Speaker 2>When what was he doing after? After?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>What did he do after after Wait a minute, what
<v Speaker 2>did he do? I'm getting all my Peter job Peter,
<v Speaker 2>But I'm kind of my Peter Blay is mixed up.
<v Speaker 1>They did similar work, but what he did was basically
<v Speaker 1>dig sewer systems from malls.
<v Speaker 2>But he was also but okay, so he stuck with plumbing, yes,
<v Speaker 2>of sorts.
<v Speaker 1>But just like for big for big commercial projects. But
<v Speaker 1>after right after.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, because I'm like, the last thing, the last
<v Speaker 2>job I knew was when he was in the military
<v Speaker 2>and he was doing the or working the Pama Panama
<v Speaker 2>Canal Navy, US Navy whatever, and it was similar work.
<v Speaker 2>It was.
<v Speaker 1>It was also kind of plumbing related. But yeah, he
<v Speaker 1>went on to just be a guy that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>a contractor for big, big plumbing and water hookup jobs.
<v Speaker 2>I got you. He was a foreman at that point,
<v Speaker 2>and he had a couple of key guys who relied on.
<v Speaker 2>There was one guy on the crane who had diged
<v Speaker 2>the ditches and another one in the hole who he
<v Speaker 2>trusted to bend the pipe and make everything fit. Brother, Well,
<v Speaker 2>sounds well anyway, But sometimes the guys in the whole
<v Speaker 2>assholes who were lazy or didn't know what they were doing. Ben,
<v Speaker 2>my dad will get impatient. He would jump into the
<v Speaker 2>hole and do the work himself, and that was dangerous sometimes, Brother,
<v Speaker 2>I'd jump in the hole, Jump in the hole. Dude, Pete,
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? Brother? But what's going on? Dude?
<v Speaker 3>Dad?
<v Speaker 2>You're really going to do that?
<v Speaker 3>Dude?
<v Speaker 2>P three, What are you doing? Brother? What are you
<v Speaker 2>going down there? Dude? Well, you must go out the window.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going out the window. Maybe. Pete Blay is
<v Speaker 2>definitely the Joe Pesci and that Oh yeah, you afraid, right,
<v Speaker 2>are you afraid?
<v Speaker 1>Mof So he gets in the hole, we get one
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty degrees and that was dangerous sometimes because
<v Speaker 1>we had a lot of soft sand in Florida and
<v Speaker 1>holes had been known a cave in.
<v Speaker 2>I remember my mom worrying about my dad been way
<v Speaker 2>down in a twenty or thirty or forty or fifty
<v Speaker 2>or one hundred thousand foot hole ditch, nice embellishment there with
<v Speaker 2>all that that soft sand around him. And it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>just the danger that I remember. Sometimes guys would laugh
<v Speaker 2>at my dad for working so hard, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>guys he had kicked out of the hole because they
<v Speaker 2>weren't doing the job right. They wouldn't be They would
<v Speaker 2>be looking down at the old bald headed man working
<v Speaker 2>his butt off, cracking up because he was doing their
<v Speaker 2>work for him. I'll never forget that my dad was
<v Speaker 2>good at what he did. I used to watch him
<v Speaker 2>working with trigonometry tables brother big tables brothers emphasis on
<v Speaker 2>rig tables right, trisy tables brother Ben in that PIZI
<v Speaker 2>to just the pride angle because a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>around that haven't been smartened up about plumbing. Because sometimes
<v Speaker 2>he was the only one who knew how to do
<v Speaker 2>that and make the water flow X number of miles,
<v Speaker 2>and why amount of the time a fucking idiot, Why
<v Speaker 2>he's proud of his dad? Next number of miles? And
<v Speaker 2>why I'm and why I'm out of the time. He
<v Speaker 2>worked until the sun baked his brains out, and he
<v Speaker 2>put up put up with a lot of stuff on
<v Speaker 2>the job. But he never said a bad word about anyone.
<v Speaker 2>He might have had a nip of He might have
<v Speaker 2>had a nip of cream sherry or a couple of
<v Speaker 2>beers now and then, but he never heard him say
<v Speaker 2>that guy's no good or that guy's an asshole. To
<v Speaker 2>this day, he's the only person I ever met who
<v Speaker 2>never said a bad word about anyone. Brother, unfortunate con
<v Speaker 2>Why is that concerning?
<v Speaker 3>Three?
<v Speaker 2>You talking? Who are you talking about?
<v Speaker 3>Brother?
<v Speaker 2>Why aren't you talking about it? Who haven't you been
<v Speaker 2>talking about? Who haven't you been talking to? Dude?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 2>P three? What's going on?
<v Speaker 3>Brother? P three?
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry? P three is money is money?
<v Speaker 3>Peter?
<v Speaker 2>We got P S, P J and P three? Did
<v Speaker 2>uh did Terry call his dad? P? Three? No? I
<v Speaker 2>never heard him say that. I heard a podcast is
<v Speaker 2>about that these guys are usually right about what hull
<v Speaker 2>Cocin does and says exactly, uh well never. Unfortunately, as
<v Speaker 2>hard as my dad worked and as good as he
<v Speaker 2>was at his job, construction workers didn't make a lot
<v Speaker 2>of money. Since there was only two bedrooms in the house,
<v Speaker 2>my brother, Alan and I had to share one of
<v Speaker 2>them growing up. But Allen was a big guy, as
<v Speaker 2>big as I am now by the time he was grown. What, okay,
<v Speaker 2>you're as big as you are by the time you're
<v Speaker 2>grown too, Terry, all as big as we are right time.
<v Speaker 2>After a while, we got too big for the bed. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>seeing they shared a bed too. They didn't share just
<v Speaker 2>the bedroom. They shared a bed. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>This is remember when Ruth corrects him on sat WCW
<v Speaker 1>ninety four and she's like, well, all we put.
<v Speaker 2>Mattresses on the floor. Oh, there we go.
<v Speaker 1>And we did have a Lincoln and he did buy
<v Speaker 1>us a condo because.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he just says here he says we had
<v Speaker 2>two bedrooms in the house, my brother and Alan and
<v Speaker 2>I had to share one of them. He doesn't talk
<v Speaker 2>about sharing a bed until just now. We got too
<v Speaker 2>big for the bed and ended up sleeping on the floor.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't exactly luxurious, but somehow my mom made us
<v Speaker 2>feel like we weren't deprived of anything. I remember every
<v Speaker 2>Friday she would make minute steaks for us. That was
<v Speaker 2>a big deal. Brother, get a skinny little steak on Friday,
<v Speaker 2>because brother, you know, you know skinny steak Friday's dude,
<v Speaker 2>you know we got we got minute Brother gotten a
<v Speaker 2>minute steak because every time every you know, when mom
<v Speaker 2>would do it during the week, Brother, it take like
<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes. So minute minute stakes on Friday were a
<v Speaker 2>big deal.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, it wasn't special that we had steak. It
<v Speaker 1>was just special because it took less time.
<v Speaker 2>To prepare time because she was tired for the week.
<v Speaker 2>You know, by the time Friday rolled around, Terry Alan
<v Speaker 2>Alan steaks are ready steaks jeo, Right, we have a
<v Speaker 2>fortune and Jeopardies on. Eat your steak and I got
<v Speaker 2>your I got your box potatoes. No air conditioning either,
<v Speaker 2>I don't I honestly, I don't think I could have
<v Speaker 2>lived during those days.
<v Speaker 1>No, not in Florida. I mean, just put me on
<v Speaker 1>the ground. Put me in the ground with peat bolea
<v Speaker 1>let that let the soft sand wash.
<v Speaker 2>Over me miserable, absolutely miserable. But you know that was
<v Speaker 2>a main event kind of deal. And my mom is
<v Speaker 2>a tall woman about five feet and eight inches in
<v Speaker 2>her prime. Wow, their prime in her prime, rib but
<v Speaker 2>you should probably, I mean, I'm sure you got shorter
<v Speaker 2>as you get older. But that's a weird way to
<v Speaker 2>talk about your peak, hite, your prime, I know, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm yeah, I mean, my grandma, it's something
<v Speaker 2>as if it's something you earn, you know, exactly, as
<v Speaker 2>if like you know, you know, it's like as if
<v Speaker 2>you're in peak, you know, like your peak condition, your
<v Speaker 2>peak kite five eight inches, you know, five to five
<v Speaker 2>eight eight inches. Brother, you know. Before she met my
<v Speaker 2>dad as a teenager and into early twenties, she was
<v Speaker 2>a real good dancer. So that's where he got his
<v Speaker 2>professional wrestling chops from.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 1>They were a musical family, like her mom was like
<v Speaker 1>in the papers in Maine for like doing piano and
<v Speaker 1>all that.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, she even taught at some point. I remember seeing
<v Speaker 2>pictures of her when she was a kid with a
<v Speaker 2>little dance uniform on. My mom always used to tell
<v Speaker 2>me that she thrived on stress, that stress was her energy.
<v Speaker 2>She was trying to figure out how she was going
<v Speaker 2>to pay the bills or take care of some family crisis.
<v Speaker 2>To get spacific, we moved to Paul. It's fucking Paul
<v Speaker 2>Avenue again. To get pacific brother, we moved to Paul
<v Speaker 2>Avenue in Port Tampa, Florida, two blocks south of Gandy Boulevard.
<v Speaker 2>You many years later, I realized that living south of
<v Speaker 2>Gandy makes you an official so og in Tampa speaking
<v Speaker 2>Soog for South a Gandy brother.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, anymore, Tampare I can regale us with.
<v Speaker 2>The perception is that where uh is? That is, that's
<v Speaker 2>where all the PiZZ or people in Tampa live. That
<v Speaker 2>was full of.
<v Speaker 3>It.
<v Speaker 2>Here we go the blizz piz that was full of
<v Speaker 2>football players and wrestlers and all kind of redneck tough guys.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, everyone thought of south of Gandhy as full
<v Speaker 2>of wrestlers. That's not a negative thing. If you're from
<v Speaker 2>Port Temple. There's a certain mystique about it. So people
<v Speaker 2>always assumed that I was a whole lot tougher than
<v Speaker 2>that I really was, just because of where I grew up.
<v Speaker 2>In many ways, Port Temple was like its own small town.
<v Speaker 2>Most of the big roads in the area were dirt
<v Speaker 2>back then, and and there were red brick streets between
<v Speaker 2>the rows of houses. They still exist, actually, which is
<v Speaker 2>a pretty unique side to see. Could or not you
<v Speaker 2>knew your neighbors you you couldn't help it. The houses
<v Speaker 2>were no more than a stone's throw away from each
<v Speaker 2>other on any street. I drove back through through there
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times in recent years, and I'm surprised
<v Speaker 2>how small everything seems now. Kid, it was really like
<v Speaker 2>my whole world. And my father Pete, my mother Ruth,
<v Speaker 2>and my older brother Allan and I all lived in
<v Speaker 2>a little white, two bedroom home. You probably wouldn't believe
<v Speaker 2>it if you saw it. It was very humble. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it's like the house that Burt Reynolds
<v Speaker 2>and those guys walked up to in Deliverance, but when
<v Speaker 2>I watched the movie. But when I watched the movie
<v Speaker 2>Ray about Ray Charles, and they showed him grown up
<v Speaker 2>in a little wooden house, it's kind of like that.
<v Speaker 1>It's the house they show in w c W ninety four.
<v Speaker 2>Right there we go, just a little square box.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 2>When Al and I were teens, we had to sleep
<v Speaker 2>Caddy Corner on the floor because we couldn't fit two
<v Speaker 2>twin beds in the room that we shared. My dad
<v Speaker 2>was a pipe fitter and he was great at it.
<v Speaker 2>I remember that doing this again. I remember he did
<v Speaker 2>big jobs and installing drainage systems, if for the malls
<v Speaker 2>and high rises that were being built around Tampa. After
<v Speaker 2>a few years, he was promoted a foreman when the
<v Speaker 2>road was all dug up and they were laying big
<v Speaker 2>six foot cox foot pipes, big six foot pipes. Brother,
<v Speaker 2>I got big six foot pipes right here, dude.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is this is a little repetitive because it's
<v Speaker 1>taken from both of his books.
<v Speaker 2>Oh I see, I see.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, well we can call it there. Thanks for that.
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's basically his description of, you know, how
<v Speaker 1>his parents conducted, you know, the household, so that that
<v Speaker 1>was domestic life as a bolea and uh, you know,
<v Speaker 1>if it's kind of the wrong side and the rough
<v Speaker 1>side of the tracks, and if there's you know, this
<v Speaker 1>expectation that when you're from the Port Tampa area south
<v Speaker 1>of Gandhy or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>He said.
<v Speaker 1>That you've seen some ship that you are ready to scrap,
<v Speaker 1>that you're kind of from a harder scrabble area. I mean, brother,
<v Speaker 1>people talk, people use racial slurs. Brother, That's just the
<v Speaker 1>way it is, right, Yep, that's right, dude. Because when
<v Speaker 1>Terry got caught on tape using the racial slurs, he
<v Speaker 1>did not hesitate in some of the Mia Culpa media interviews.
<v Speaker 1>He did around the horn with all the big national
<v Speaker 1>news show ploy to blame the neighborhood for why God
<v Speaker 1>so flippantly used the language. And here is a clip
<v Speaker 1>about the controversy at the time of him doing that.
<v Speaker 1>And this intrepid news station in Tampa went out and
<v Speaker 1>asked some people who still live in the neighborhood he's
<v Speaker 1>referring to, and lived in the neighborhood he's referring to
<v Speaker 1>at the time he did, as to whether that tracks.
<v Speaker 1>You take a guess as to what's going to happen here.
<v Speaker 11>Tailed the hero Hulk Hogan has tumbled from grace all
<v Speaker 11>thanks to a secretly recorded sex tape.
<v Speaker 2>And it's what we haven't.
<v Speaker 11>Heard on that tape, a racial slur that has caused
<v Speaker 11>the Hulks the most disgraced. Tonight, he's begging for forgiveness
<v Speaker 11>and even blaming his South Tampa upbringing for being in
<v Speaker 11>this mess in the first place. Carson Chambers has more
<v Speaker 11>for us tonight.
<v Speaker 2>Carson Schafer, Well.
<v Speaker 10>W W E RO is about to kick off here
<v Speaker 10>tonight at Emily Arena at seven thirty. You can see
<v Speaker 10>all the trucks parked over here in these parking lots.
<v Speaker 10>WWE actually erased Hulk Hogan from its Hall of Fame
<v Speaker 10>pretty recently, and his old Port Tampa neighbors they aren't
<v Speaker 10>very happy.
<v Speaker 5>With him either.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a racist. I never should have said what
<v Speaker 3>I said. It was wrong.
<v Speaker 10>Terry Belayam aka Hulk Hogan begging for forgiveness.
<v Speaker 4>I'm embarrassed by it, but a lot of people need
<v Speaker 4>to realize that you inherit things from your environment.
<v Speaker 10>During the private conversation linked by The National Enquirer, Balaya
<v Speaker 10>reportedly uses racial slur speaking of his daughter's then boyfriend
<v Speaker 10>and where.
<v Speaker 4>I grew up with South Tampa and it was a
<v Speaker 4>really rough neighborhood, very low income, and all my friends
<v Speaker 4>we greeted each other saying that word.
<v Speaker 3>The word was just thrown around like it was nothing.
<v Speaker 10>Tonight, neighbors so grew up with Hogan, who went to
<v Speaker 10>high school with him, who live in poor Tampa say
<v Speaker 10>they're disappointed.
<v Speaker 5>Oh, I think it's ridiculous.
<v Speaker 10>There's absolutely no no reason for anybody to say that
<v Speaker 10>this area caused them.
<v Speaker 2>To be racist.
<v Speaker 5>Aik Lagrant grew up here.
<v Speaker 10>He's put in orders at VT Clark's General Store since
<v Speaker 10>he was a kid. Candy then chicken salad.
<v Speaker 12>Now, discommunity is not a racist community that we've growne
<v Speaker 12>up to goe other black and white all my life.
<v Speaker 5>So La Grant says he was always proud of Hogan.
<v Speaker 10>Sue Scott was too, graduated the same year with balaa
<v Speaker 10>for Robinson High School. In fact, her husband still has
<v Speaker 10>the yearbook on a backshelf in the store.
<v Speaker 13>I think he just got wrapped up in whatever he's
<v Speaker 13>wrapped up in because he was always a really nice guy.
<v Speaker 13>And I mean, I don't know that person now.
<v Speaker 10>Poor Tampa's a tight knit place that supports its own.
<v Speaker 10>But Balaya's excuses aren't impressing former neighbors.
<v Speaker 12>I think that most racists don't take responsibility for how
<v Speaker 12>they are. It's easy to blame somebody else for themselves.
<v Speaker 10>Bala gets pretty emotional during the interview. You can watch
<v Speaker 10>the whole thing on abcactionews dot com.
<v Speaker 5>In Tampa. I'm Carson Chambers, ABC Action News.
<v Speaker 1>It's talking how like you know, it's really low income area.
<v Speaker 1>He never says there are a lot of black kids around.
<v Speaker 1>He never says that. No, he basically says, like because
<v Speaker 1>they're poor, like we use that word.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, look, there's I'm not I'm not
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm certainly not gonna try to find I I
<v Speaker 2>take I take umbrage with both of h I take
<v Speaker 2>my umberge with both sides of this. That of what
<v Speaker 2>you played, Hogan. You can't blame fucking neighborhood for what
<v Speaker 2>you say. But at the same time, you can blame
<v Speaker 2>how you grew up. You can absolutely blame how you
<v Speaker 2>grew up. And there were and those people who were
<v Speaker 2>saying you can't, we're like implying that, and I'm listen,
<v Speaker 2>we're all. We're all, we're all. We all have that,
<v Speaker 2>you know we have, but we have to learn the
<v Speaker 2>good and the bad from how we grew up and say, well,
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, like this is actually not okay. But
<v Speaker 2>we absolutely you know, he can say he said whatever
<v Speaker 2>he said when he was a kid, because it probably happened,
<v Speaker 2>and you probably did think it was okay, just like
<v Speaker 2>you know, when when we were in high school, dropping
<v Speaker 2>the f gay sler was like just common. And it
<v Speaker 2>when you think, when I think about it, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>even saying that something was gay, it's like when you
<v Speaker 2>really think about it, yeah, it's not. Actually, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it has a bad it has a it means something bad.
<v Speaker 2>And and but we said it a lot. I said
<v Speaker 2>it because that was what was around me, and and
<v Speaker 2>it it wrung true. I regret it. I would never
<v Speaker 2>say that now, but it happened, and I can't deny that.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not going to sit there, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>I learned from my mistakes and I know not to
<v Speaker 2>not to say shit like that anymore. And that's the thing,
<v Speaker 2>like they're not both sides are not really saying that,
<v Speaker 2>you know.
<v Speaker 1>And you talk about the the slur for for homosexuals. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's something you would call. And I'm sure there are
<v Speaker 1>plenty of exceptions to this, and it's horrible, but I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure I'm sure most of the time you're thinking of
<v Speaker 1>using that word, you're not using it.
<v Speaker 2>Torture. No, that's the thing I'm not.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not.
<v Speaker 1>But exactly where he used with that hard R on
<v Speaker 1>that case, there's no way that it was okay for
<v Speaker 1>him to use that word like it was okay for
<v Speaker 1>us to use that word.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, what I'm but well, yeah, no, I know,
<v Speaker 2>I know you're using it. You're using it in a
<v Speaker 2>negative way because that word was is just I mean
<v Speaker 2>that word right totally, And I'm not I'm not trying
<v Speaker 2>to I'm just trying to use that as an example
<v Speaker 2>of something, but like I'm literally not trying to equate
<v Speaker 2>the usage of it more just like you you you
<v Speaker 2>you do stupid shit as a kid, because that's what
<v Speaker 2>it is. And I'm not defending that. I'm more saying
<v Speaker 2>as an adult, you have to fucking take responsibility for
<v Speaker 2>it and you have to just not do that ship
<v Speaker 2>anymore and realize you did something wrong.
<v Speaker 1>You know it is it is something that he goes
<v Speaker 1>down that road when he's got the scrutiny on him,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the things starting to.
<v Speaker 2>Crash down because my upbringing brothers right well, because right,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm it's no, no, dude, you can't didn't work.
<v Speaker 2>Nice try, it didn't work you.
<v Speaker 1>I mean that what did he think this news channel
<v Speaker 1>is going to go down? To Port Tampa. Everyone's gonna say, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's got a point. We we we call black people
<v Speaker 1>that all the time. Yeah, no, exactly, I'm not gonna
<v Speaker 1>work pal right. It's just it's just it's it's just
<v Speaker 1>bad all around. Like and when you hear the tapes
<v Speaker 1>of him talking to Nick and Jail, it's like it's
<v Speaker 1>it's like a thing with him. It's not he he
<v Speaker 1>does say to Heather Clem, you know, I'm racist to
<v Speaker 1>a point, you know, ef and and word with the
<v Speaker 1>hard R on it that that the one thing I
<v Speaker 1>take Umberge with even more so is kind of this
<v Speaker 1>intimation in those interviews those met a couple interviews that
<v Speaker 1>he almost used it as a term of endearment. You know,
<v Speaker 1>he's almost he's almost trying to say like he was
<v Speaker 1>allowed to use the term as a as a term
<v Speaker 1>of endearment because where he grew up. And it's like, dude, like, no,
<v Speaker 1>you know you didn't call you didn't call any of
<v Speaker 1>your black friends if you even had any that word.
<v Speaker 1>You think in a in a collegial way, it's don't
<v Speaker 1>try that one.
<v Speaker 2>It's not a word you can use. If you do
<v Speaker 2>use it, you're yours. What this is what happens, very
<v Speaker 2>exactly exactly. It's very simple. You can use it.
<v Speaker 1>You just can't claim the hood.
<v Speaker 2>You can. You can use it. But but you but
<v Speaker 2>you get a fucking you have a lot of repair
<v Speaker 2>to do, a lot of damage to repair.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Yeah, you can't. You can't talk your way
<v Speaker 1>around and the damage. It's it's like, of course, none
<v Speaker 1>of that happened. So it's it's fascinating that this kind
<v Speaker 1>this kind of recolored his Tampa upbringing experience. He's leveraged
<v Speaker 1>it in this way and talked about it in this way.
<v Speaker 1>He talks about the wrestlers being all over that part
<v Speaker 1>of Tampa and the football players. One thing I will
<v Speaker 1>give him is that there wasn't yet a professional sports
<v Speaker 1>franchise in Tampa, Florida. There wasn't the Buccaneers. There was
<v Speaker 1>this University of Tampa football and there was wrestling at
<v Speaker 1>the fort Hesternley Armory and that was it. So, you know,
<v Speaker 1>this was one of those parts of the country, like
<v Speaker 1>the Carolinas and other parts of the country that really
<v Speaker 1>you know that the pro wrestling stars were like the
<v Speaker 1>second third tier biggest sports figures in the market. Memphis,
<v Speaker 1>Memphis much the same way as well, And so I
<v Speaker 1>can see maybe what he means in that regard, because
<v Speaker 1>just like Texas. I mean, we had Tito Santana with
<v Speaker 1>us on stage, and I had the Terry funk Head
<v Speaker 1>in front of me, and we were talking about how
<v Speaker 1>many he was talking about how many pro wrestlers came
<v Speaker 1>out of West Texas state when he was there. He
<v Speaker 1>was listening them off like you wouldn't believe, from DUBIASI
<v Speaker 1>to Totally Blanchard, to Stan Hansen to Bruiser Brody, on
<v Speaker 1>and on and on, and the people in the crowd
<v Speaker 1>were like gasping. It's like no, like that is how
<v Speaker 1>the territorial bosses used to recruit wrestlers. They used to
<v Speaker 1>be in markets where there wasn't a whole hell of
<v Speaker 1>a lot of professional sports opportunities. I mean, the Cowboys existed,
<v Speaker 1>but even then, I think there were the cults in
<v Speaker 1>the earliest days of the Fritz vand Eric and further
<v Speaker 1>to the West Texas that's more San Antonio, that's more
<v Speaker 1>the Joe Blanchard market. So no pro football franchise there,
<v Speaker 1>but you do have you know, all these college athlete
<v Speaker 1>jocks who aren't going to make pro and they're the
<v Speaker 1>talk of the town that the girls absolutely want to
<v Speaker 1>swallow their dick's hole. And you've got you've got something
<v Speaker 1>you can work with as far as creating a wrestler
<v Speaker 1>that might actually draw crowd in your city, and you
<v Speaker 1>would just recruit from the from the football players, that's
<v Speaker 1>what you would do.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, well how in Minnesota? Fucking get em?
<v Speaker 2>All they've had sports teams.
<v Speaker 1>For Minnesota was much more of the wrestlers, you know,
<v Speaker 1>it was much more you know, people who grew up
<v Speaker 1>amateur wrestling from boyhood and went to as less of
<v Speaker 1>the football players, though Brock is kind of an example
<v Speaker 1>of that. He also wrestled. He never actually he never
<v Speaker 1>played football until until he made the fucking Viking. So
<v Speaker 1>I take that one back.
<v Speaker 6>It's the lab fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
<v Speaker 6>knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
<v Speaker 6>He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Soro.
<v Speaker 2>I certainly had an interest in it. It was so bizarre,
<v Speaker 2>what a weird, what a weird career, yes, that he's had,
<v Speaker 2>and just like it's weird jobs and.
<v Speaker 1>So for Tampa, it was I mean, just thinking of
<v Speaker 1>all of them. Uh, certainly Brian Blair, you know, was
<v Speaker 1>a football player who tried to make it somewhere and
<v Speaker 1>ended up becoming a wrestler in Tampa. I think Steve
<v Speaker 1>Kern too, Mike Graham, I think played a bit of football.
<v Speaker 2>It's in high school and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, Terry didn't see himself plugging into that
<v Speaker 1>Tampa sport. Tampa football player to pro wrestler pipeline. Dusty Rhoades,
<v Speaker 1>although he was a Texas boy, uh, you know, it
<v Speaker 1>came to be, came to persona fy Florida wrestling he was,
<v Speaker 1>he was a series football player coming up in the world.
<v Speaker 1>West Texas well, he claimed West Texas even though he
<v Speaker 1>famously played in a game, even though he never went there.
<v Speaker 1>He played in the alumni game. Or is that Dick Murdock.
<v Speaker 1>It's easy to get the too confused because they're basically
<v Speaker 1>the same person in a lot of ways. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's all part of what he's talking about, this sort
<v Speaker 1>of a wrestler too, this football the wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>Pipeline in these parts of the country.
<v Speaker 1>So I just found it fascinating that, you know, he's
<v Speaker 1>got this idyllic description of his upbringing, and then it's
<v Speaker 1>also the cause of his downfall.
<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, of course, and listen anything anything he can
<v Speaker 2>do to really avoid responsibility. So we progress through the fifties.
<v Speaker 1>Hulk, of course, as discussed having been born in fifty four,
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing really in the Tampa papers about him for
<v Speaker 1>the first ten years of his life that would stand
<v Speaker 1>to reason. Of course, there was this one item. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, We're never going to know the story here
<v Speaker 1>unless someone remembers it from back in the day. But
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty four there was an item in one
<v Speaker 1>of the papers out in Tampa that was speaking to
<v Speaker 1>a civil action damage that was awarded to both Peter
<v Speaker 1>Boleya and Terry Bolea, who would have only been eleven
<v Speaker 1>years old at this time, if not ten. It just
<v Speaker 1>says Terry Boleya at all, which means it was like
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of different plaintiffs versus Alfred L. Smith civil
<v Speaker 1>action damages, with d Hyman not Hayman, serving as attorney
<v Speaker 1>and Peter Bolaya Junior also receiving civil action damages.
<v Speaker 2>Now I would love to know.
<v Speaker 1>What it was that happened did Terry and his father
<v Speaker 1>when Terry was eleven that entitled them to civil action
<v Speaker 1>damages against this Alfred L.
<v Speaker 2>Smith.
<v Speaker 1>I did a ton of searching trying to figure out
<v Speaker 1>who Alfred L. Smith was and if he was somewhat
<v Speaker 1>of any renown. It certainly isn't reflected in the newspapers.
<v Speaker 1>But that's just you know, I'm never going to not
<v Speaker 1>be fascinated by that one. Yeah, good luck finding records
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen sixty four on some fucking civil action thing.
<v Speaker 1>But uh, we're just playing seeds along the way, baby,
<v Speaker 1>Just because just because they haven't sprouted yet by the
<v Speaker 1>time we record doesn't mean that someday the sun might
<v Speaker 1>not hit them.
<v Speaker 2>So what was the civil action? What was it? Is
<v Speaker 2>it related to a slight operation? Perhaps? I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Hmmm. Turned the page.
<v Speaker 1>We turned the page to nineteen sixty five, and this
<v Speaker 1>is where you start to see in the Tampa newspapers
<v Speaker 1>mentioned if Terry Bolea as this little league baseball standout.
<v Speaker 1>He's being written up. He's about twelve years old, and
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about how huge he is and how much
<v Speaker 1>bigger he is than his teammates and his opponents, and
<v Speaker 1>how as a result, he's a big power hitter and
<v Speaker 1>a big pitcher and very difficult to deal with on
<v Speaker 1>the little league field. Yeah, I think that's kind of
<v Speaker 1>like if you ever kind of got involved with little league,
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the thing. It's like, who's got the
<v Speaker 1>big kid, Who's got that one kid who grows way
<v Speaker 1>earlier than the rest, and that team is really well
<v Speaker 1>positioned to go far, Like you only really need one
<v Speaker 1>of them, and you could be like the best team
<v Speaker 1>round because no one can match him. You put him
<v Speaker 1>on the mound, its lights out. He gets to the plate,
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna smash the ball and no one's gonna touch it.
<v Speaker 1>He's in the little league fence. It's so close to
<v Speaker 1>home plate, and this kid's as strong as a fucking
<v Speaker 1>senior high school Like he's gonna put it over the fence.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a real thing. And that was Terry Bolea.
<v Speaker 1>He was that guy, And we would know a lot
<v Speaker 1>about this in the first place, because when he went
<v Speaker 1>on Ourcinio Hall for that infamous nineteen ninety one meyacopa
<v Speaker 1>ye about steroid use. I think one thing that's forgotten
<v Speaker 1>about that we all know the line, I'm not a
<v Speaker 1>steroid abuser and I don't use steroid. I wasn't a
<v Speaker 1>steroid abuser. I don't use steroids. However he phrased it.
<v Speaker 2>I did use steroids, but I don't abuse steroids. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm not on steroids right now. Right, I did do
<v Speaker 2>steroids this morning, but I'm not currently on steroids. That's
<v Speaker 2>exactly right. And I'm not currently abusing steroids either for
<v Speaker 2>that matter. Yeah, because I'm not even doing them as
<v Speaker 2>we speak. So yeah, and he said he only took
<v Speaker 2>it three times to heal an injury, which was the
<v Speaker 2>biggest part of the Like, you know, if he didn't
<v Speaker 2>say that, it would kind of be like, all right,
<v Speaker 2>he's playing word games here. But he actually completely fabricated
<v Speaker 2>like this, this artificial finite amount of times that he
<v Speaker 2>actually ever did it, which was thoroughly disproven in the
<v Speaker 2>trial to the point of absolute hilarity. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>this is before he knew that he was going to
<v Speaker 2>be forced under oath to acknowledge all that stuff. He
<v Speaker 2>had been excused from testifying in George the Horrian's trial,
<v Speaker 2>which is the trial that was you know, contemporaneous with
<v Speaker 2>the Arsenio Hall appearance, and why he felt like he
<v Speaker 2>had to go out there and do damage control because
<v Speaker 2>his name had come up in this Orian trial. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>Jerry mcdibbittt was successful and getting Hogan for reasons that
<v Speaker 2>were under seal and remain under seal, excused from having
<v Speaker 2>to testify for a courtesy that was not extended to
<v Speaker 2>Roddy Piper, Brian Blair, Rick Martel and the others who
<v Speaker 2>were forced to take the stand. How did he get
<v Speaker 2>files like that out of you know, yeah, unsealed.
<v Speaker 1>It's a great question, and I think if you go
<v Speaker 1>back in the trial of his life, one of my
<v Speaker 1>great frustrations was there's paper on file in the docket
<v Speaker 1>that says that in nineteen ninety five for the judge
<v Speaker 1>did in fact unseal those records, but they are not
<v Speaker 1>in the court file. They got that they are not
<v Speaker 1>in the court file. Someone petition to have them unsealed,
<v Speaker 1>and you can't find him. And that's why he's referred
<v Speaker 1>to as John Doe and all the records because he
<v Speaker 1>petitioned to keep his name out of it. Because he
<v Speaker 1>was able to successfully argue to the judge that he
<v Speaker 1>would suffer unduly from a publicity negative publicity standpoint to
<v Speaker 1>prove points that all the other witnesses could prove just fine.
<v Speaker 1>And you don't need to add Hulk Hogan on too
<v Speaker 1>it to create a media circus to say and prove
<v Speaker 1>all the same things that these other four wrestlers who
<v Speaker 1>are testifying are going to say improve for you, including
<v Speaker 1>superstar Billy Graham. So that was the freak show down
<v Speaker 1>there in the Pennsylvania George the Horrian trial. But what's
<v Speaker 1>forgotten I think about that Arsenio Hall appearance is not
<v Speaker 1>just the prevarication on a mount of steroid use and
<v Speaker 1>current steroid abuse or lack thereof. It's that he brought
<v Speaker 1>with him to the show a picture of him in
<v Speaker 1>Little League, Oh yes, and he shows it to our
<v Speaker 1>sen you know, and they put it up on the
<v Speaker 1>screen for everybody to see. And just like he leveraged
<v Speaker 1>his upbringing and Port Tampa for the the the Apology,
<v Speaker 1>the Apology tour on the racial slurs, he's now using
<v Speaker 1>his history as a fat headed outside literally player as
<v Speaker 1>a mitigating factor in his steroid allegations. So here is
<v Speaker 1>the use to which Terry Bolea put his Little League
<v Speaker 1>exploits years and years later after becoming a guy in
<v Speaker 1>the spotlight.
<v Speaker 4>And basically it put a dark cloud over everything that
<v Speaker 4>I believe in.
<v Speaker 3>So let me do it like Mike.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna cut it off right here. I got an agenda.
<v Speaker 2>Read Okay, don't try to be a journalist there.
<v Speaker 4>American, I love my family. Question, this isn't a Alzado
<v Speaker 4>story You're going to hear out here because like the picture,
<v Speaker 4>you have the picture, the picture that I shoot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course he has the picture figured out ahead
<v Speaker 2>of time.
<v Speaker 3>Amazing.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I was ten years old on my little league. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>weigh I weigh one hundred ninety six pounds. Look how
<v Speaker 4>fat my head was? The hat git on my head.
<v Speaker 3>You were my fat then I was.
<v Speaker 4>I was one hundred ninety six pounds when I was
<v Speaker 4>ten years old. When I graduated from high school, I
<v Speaker 4>was three hundred pounds, and right now I'm about two
<v Speaker 4>ninety five. So basically, I was insulted when basically the
<v Speaker 4>inferences or the speculation said, well, all you to do
<v Speaker 4>is take a pill or take a shot in the
<v Speaker 4>butt every day to get to look like hul Cogan.
<v Speaker 4>And basically I've trained twenty years. I'm thirty eight, thirty seven,
<v Speaker 4>I'll be thirty a couple of months. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 4>I had to say that.
<v Speaker 3>But I've trained, I've.
<v Speaker 4>Trained twenty years, two hours a day to look like
<v Speaker 4>I do. But the things that I am not is
<v Speaker 4>I'm not a steroid abuser and I do not use steroids.
<v Speaker 1>It's the thing he said right before he said the
<v Speaker 1>famous line, the whole thing about baseball. Wow, And later on,
<v Speaker 1>Ursineo even says, it's kind of funny, you see if
<v Speaker 1>I can pull it up. Uh, he just he makes
<v Speaker 1>reference to it after like the conversation has changed a
<v Speaker 1>little bit and moved on to something else, but he
<v Speaker 1>calls he calls back to it, and he just like
<v Speaker 1>he uses a Hogan line basically by saying like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I know you were just exaggerated.
<v Speaker 4>First, what I am is because well all you just
<v Speaker 4>take a pillar two hours a day to look like
<v Speaker 4>I do. But the things that I am not this
<v Speaker 4>is I'm not a steroid abuser and I do not
<v Speaker 4>use steroids.
<v Speaker 3>You were eight hundred pounds when you were fat?
<v Speaker 2>Damn right, I'm fucking right, My god, you were eight
<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds when you were five? Is that a run?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 2>Well a run dude, when I was you know, I
<v Speaker 2>had to run when I hit the baseball. I had
<v Speaker 2>the runs when I was young, dude. You know I
<v Speaker 2>was thinking. I was trying to remember too, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and you know he showed not the not the little
<v Speaker 2>league picture, but he showed when when when Hogan made
<v Speaker 2>his first appearance on on Carson, Carson found one of
<v Speaker 2>his like third grade picture or something like that. And
<v Speaker 2>he's still huge. You know, he's still like he's tall
<v Speaker 2>over everybody else. He he just towers over everybody.
<v Speaker 1>And that was you know, there was no steroid like
<v Speaker 1>whiff of scandal about it. It was just everybody knows
<v Speaker 1>this guy as this massive son of a bitch who
<v Speaker 1>was in what Rocky three?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell us, And that's that's all they knew him from. Really,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's you know, people always forget too. You know,
<v Speaker 2>everyone talks about about that about Rocky three, But you
<v Speaker 2>got to remember being on Carson back then. That was
<v Speaker 2>also huge for people's careers. It's all it took.
<v Speaker 1>That's all it took to become a celebrity, was you
<v Speaker 1>just you just went on the late night shows, and
<v Speaker 1>you know, you wouldn't be invited on if you weren't
<v Speaker 1>involved with something that was hot, you know, so.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, yeah, and listen if you're and if you're
<v Speaker 2>you know, Rocky at that point, come on. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's massive, Like.
<v Speaker 1>Your publicist could just earn an entire years living by getting.
<v Speaker 2>On one of these shows.
<v Speaker 1>You know, It's like it's very simple what it was
<v Speaker 1>everyone was chasing, how how how much better it was
<v Speaker 1>when all of the uh, all the different streams flowed
<v Speaker 1>to one drain, you know, I mean they.
<v Speaker 2>Know, I know, and it's like, you know it, what
<v Speaker 2>what would people?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 2>When when when when people need to mimic and and
<v Speaker 2>copy and rip off, it's like you're not only you're
<v Speaker 2>you're you're you're not only uh not going to be
<v Speaker 2>as successful number one most likely, but you're also you're
<v Speaker 2>diminishing what it means, yeah, to be, to do, to do,
<v Speaker 2>to be on something like that. It's just gone.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they just did an angle with Jelly Roll
<v Speaker 1>and Logan ahead of Summer Slam on Jimmy Kimmel, and
<v Speaker 1>nobody talked about it. Even wrestling fans didn't talk about
<v Speaker 1>it when it happened, because people this isn't appointment viewing anymore.
<v Speaker 1>People watch it happen. Yeah, they just watch it chopped
<v Speaker 1>up ten minute clips on YouTube the next day if
<v Speaker 1>they watch it at all. And for a little while
<v Speaker 1>the late night shows pretended that was enough. But you know,
<v Speaker 1>I think we're seeing that this probably isn't.
<v Speaker 2>So here is.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you mentioned that because we'll play a
<v Speaker 1>little bit of Carson thing too, because that's kind of
<v Speaker 1>an earlier example of Hogan leveraging not to get out
<v Speaker 1>from under the cloud of scandal, but leveraging his storied
<v Speaker 1>boyhood for for human interest points on talk on the
<v Speaker 1>talk show circuit.
<v Speaker 4>Most of the stuff like this I have made, but
<v Speaker 4>other things I can go to a fat man store
<v Speaker 4>and get my legs in and then they just take
<v Speaker 4>the waist up, pan, close everything up.
<v Speaker 2>Huh you are.
<v Speaker 8>Somebody had to give me this picture here? Oh, this
<v Speaker 8>says the Ballast Points School, Miss Msach.
<v Speaker 1>It looks like a pudgy, fucking snowman.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he hasn't figured out how to kind of
<v Speaker 2>rack them rot. He's so fucking ghast. I mean he's huge,
<v Speaker 2>but he's just like he's like cut, He's like he's
<v Speaker 2>just a bunch of marshmallows put together.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's just so full of the fluid retention that
<v Speaker 1>happens when you take a lot of these steroids. And
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't understand, like I think it's as far whatever
<v Speaker 1>you take tickets. This is one of the three times, right,
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the three times that but he
<v Speaker 1>took steroids.
<v Speaker 2>It really worked. He must have just got hurt. Brother.
<v Speaker 8>Primary third grade, and you are I'll just show you
<v Speaker 8>what you look like in the third grade.
<v Speaker 3>You can.
<v Speaker 8>I thought for a moment you were a fellow on
<v Speaker 8>the right in the picture there, but obviously this is
<v Speaker 8>the teacher right, you are right right here. But you're
<v Speaker 8>still bigger than all the kids in the third grade right.
<v Speaker 3>That picture.
<v Speaker 2>The brother, he's very concerned.
<v Speaker 3>What thing? Uh?
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't look like a fact yet at all in
<v Speaker 2>this picture. He looks he's rail thin. He definitely isn't
<v Speaker 2>a kid that everyone's surrounding screaming eat eat. Not in
<v Speaker 2>all way, not at all.
<v Speaker 3>Nobody yours one of our one of our staff. On that.
<v Speaker 3>Let me take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk tomorrow. Right,
<v Speaker 3>stay where you are, we're about you're just join us.
<v Speaker 8>We're talking with Hull Holgan.
<v Speaker 3>We have.
<v Speaker 8>Book shields and George Miller will join us. I suppose
<v Speaker 8>you say you way about what now three twenty.
<v Speaker 3>Something like that, three twenty around.
<v Speaker 8>Most people think very big people eat gigantic amounts of food.
<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily true.
<v Speaker 4>Right well, right now, I'm trying to keep my body
<v Speaker 4>weight under three twenty right around there. Yeah, if I
<v Speaker 4>was eating normally or just about the same amount of
<v Speaker 4>food that you ate, i'd probably jump to three fifty
<v Speaker 4>or three.
<v Speaker 2>Sixty light leg when you're in grade school. Yeah, thanks
<v Speaker 2>for that, boss, that's a great catch. I forgot brought.
<v Speaker 1>But it's weird. He acts like he didn't bring the
<v Speaker 1>He actually he wasn't expecting to see that picture. He
<v Speaker 1>shuts it down.
<v Speaker 2>He does. I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he acts horrified that that Carson horror picture.
<v Speaker 2>Where'd you get the picture?
<v Speaker 3>Brother?
<v Speaker 2>I like, I I mean, I don't know, Like it's
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where I mean, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>how you would have found it. But if he didn't
<v Speaker 2>bring it, right, like, how is did you call?
<v Speaker 3>Like?
<v Speaker 2>Would you would they have called? Uh? Like the school?
<v Speaker 2>If they? I mean, I imagine he's got researchers on
<v Speaker 2>his staff. Yeah, but like he's looking. Hogan's looking off stage.
<v Speaker 2>He's looking like this is not someone rolled them up
<v Speaker 2>from behind right there.
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the earliest examples. Brother, you gotta watch it.
<v Speaker 1>So the first Terry Buley reference I could find was
<v Speaker 1>Tampa Times June nineteen sixty five, as in a box
<v Speaker 1>score for the inter Bay Little League team, where he
<v Speaker 1>is listed as one of two contributors to a victory
<v Speaker 1>for the Little Generals. I think here now the Rebels
<v Speaker 1>defeating the Little Generals, and it was Hulk Cogan, Terry
<v Speaker 1>Bully himself listed here as getting eleven strikeouts in the game. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely uh, there's definitely a thing where his pitching
<v Speaker 1>is is a huge part of his a huge part
<v Speaker 1>of his value add out there and he pitched for
<v Speaker 1>he pitched well further in sixty five, as we hit
<v Speaker 1>the summer, he's pictured with a bunch of other kids
<v Speaker 1>in the Interbayed Little League All Stars and he's he's big.
<v Speaker 1>He's not as tall as the tallest kids, but at
<v Speaker 1>the age range I think is a little wider. So
<v Speaker 1>there's kids that are much older. But there he is
<v Speaker 1>right next to lou Garcia, the manager and Eugene Doyle
<v Speaker 1>and a couple of adults. But he's definitely if he's
<v Speaker 1>the same age as some of these kids up in
<v Speaker 1>the front row, which you have to suppose he is.
<v Speaker 1>I'll show you the picture here, and people have seen this.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's well circulated. Some of these pictures, not all
<v Speaker 1>of them, but some of them. You'll see Terry Bulla
<v Speaker 1>there in third row, right next to the manager who's
<v Speaker 1>wearing just like a so it's just a T shirt.
<v Speaker 2>Looks like such a dope, I mean, he really does.
<v Speaker 2>It was like such a fucking dope with his round face,
<v Speaker 2>his tiny fucking mouth. You would have bullied him back then. Well, no,
<v Speaker 2>I probably would have been friends with them and we
<v Speaker 2>would have been bullied together. That totally what would happen.
<v Speaker 2>And I would have sat there and like just I
<v Speaker 2>would have I totally would have been right next to
<v Speaker 2>him getting picked on, No question.
<v Speaker 1>Ye, he's he's also a bowler, also a big time bowler.
<v Speaker 1>As he talks about fucking weird, I know that makes
<v Speaker 1>him kind of a d weep too.
<v Speaker 2>He does bowler.
<v Speaker 1>Uh, he had a He had a friend named Vic
<v Speaker 1>who whose family owned a bowling alley that was walking
<v Speaker 1>distance from Terry's house growing up, and so that had
<v Speaker 1>a lot to do with why he was able to
<v Speaker 1>get so many reps in. But in equal measure, these
<v Speaker 1>early newspaper mentions of Terry Bolea on the little league
<v Speaker 1>field also meant his bowling exploits. Here's an example from
<v Speaker 1>the October third, nineteen sixty five Tampa Tribune. Terry Boleya
<v Speaker 1>a twelve year old Panorama Kegler, Kegler being a word
<v Speaker 1>for bowler, panorama being I believe the name of the
<v Speaker 1>bowling Alley rolled one seventy five, one forty three, one
<v Speaker 1>ninety one, five oh nine and will receive two AJBC patches,
<v Speaker 1>one for the one hundred ninety one game and another
<v Speaker 1>for the better than five hundred series. So he's doing
<v Speaker 1>a lot about bowling, but he's doing enough to get
<v Speaker 1>written up in the paper about it. Yes November of
<v Speaker 1>sixty five, UH, the unofficial leaders after the initial round
<v Speaker 1>of the Tampa Junior Bowling Association Championships were released. Following
<v Speaker 1>yesterday's rolling at a Damo Bowlera, the event will finish
<v Speaker 1>Saturday with one shift at eleven.
<v Speaker 2>Am Bowlaya at the Bowlera. You got it bow l
<v Speaker 2>e ra a bolrea. But in the era, in the doubles,
<v Speaker 2>in the Bantams, Bantams being I guess that the phrase
<v Speaker 2>they would use for the younger bowlers, the boys. Uh
<v Speaker 2>top scorers Terry Boleya and his friend Vic Pettitt, Vic
<v Speaker 2>Petit pre sure how he said it listed right here
<v Speaker 2>at one thousand and thirty eight, and uh, my god,
<v Speaker 2>you want to see what he's talking about with the
<v Speaker 2>big head. That little league picture doesn't do it justice
<v Speaker 2>when he's standing, you know, with his big baseball friends,
<v Speaker 2>when he's standing next to his bowling buddies. Yeah, take
<v Speaker 2>a look at what he looks like. Man, he looks
<v Speaker 2>like Andre the Giant in this picture. Whoa look at him.
<v Speaker 1>Towering, massive head. Looks like he's photoshopped into this thing?
<v Speaker 2>It does? I mean it. Also, it looks like it
<v Speaker 2>looks like his head is photoshopped on, right. You know, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the uh that's one of the uh man?
<v Speaker 2>Is that one of the I guess not. Let's say
<v Speaker 2>one of them looks like one of the blaky kids
<v Speaker 2>from his from your book photo. It could be, but
<v Speaker 2>they're not listed. But uh uh yeah, look, I mean
<v Speaker 2>it looks. He looks like his shoulders are not big yet.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm he might his shoulders must have. Well,
<v Speaker 2>even if you look, even if you watch him in
<v Speaker 2>his WCW days, you can see his body is just
<v Speaker 2>not proportioned correctly. I see, like because when he got
<v Speaker 2>real thin in the WCW days, like you could see
<v Speaker 2>he kind of has a weird body shape. You know,
<v Speaker 2>his shoulders are a little too thin, his head's a
<v Speaker 2>little too long. You know, he's normal, Yeah, for sure. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the torso is not massive. He's not ripped.
<v Speaker 4>He no.
<v Speaker 1>As the caption reads, proud winners gathered together just prior
<v Speaker 1>to receiving their trophies or their bantam boys winners in
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixty five Tampa Junior Bowling Association tournament. Front
<v Speaker 1>from left, Charlie Diaz, Leslie Tice, and Tom Riley rear,
<v Speaker 1>same order, Vic Petite, Terry Bellya, Robert Dilatore, and Douglas Rouch.
<v Speaker 1>Later in nineteen and that was in nineteen sixty five.
<v Speaker 1>Later in nineteen sixty seven, the following appears in Tampa Tribune.
<v Speaker 1>Vic stands around five feet that's his buddy Vic weighing
<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood of one hundred and thirty pounds. He's
<v Speaker 1>been on a diet, but as a midget. Compared to
<v Speaker 1>his doubles partner Terry Bolea. Terry, also thirteen and a
<v Speaker 1>bantam bowler with a one thirty five average, is five
<v Speaker 1>to seven and weighs close to two hundred pounds.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>They've been bowling together since VIC started. In fact, they
<v Speaker 1>captured the bantam doubles title in the City Meet last year,
<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen sixty five. VIC is the reigning all
<v Speaker 1>event titleist, a feat he has accomplished for the past
<v Speaker 1>three years. He won the city handicapped singles title in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty four and was the scratch singles champion in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty five and sixty six. Terry Bolea, thirteen years
<v Speaker 1>old two hundred pounds. That's absurd five seven. So let's
<v Speaker 1>get more acquainted with this VIC character. He seemed to
<v Speaker 1>be kind of important in Hulk's early days, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, VIC played baseball at me too. When it came
<v Speaker 2>to playing ball, playing high the ball, I don't hear
<v Speaker 2>on a natural advantage over everyone my size. I was
<v Speaker 2>six foot tall at twelve years old. Didn't say he
<v Speaker 2>was five to seven.
<v Speaker 1>Thirteen, he was five to seven and what did you
<v Speaker 1>say there?
<v Speaker 2>He was six feet so he he he he lessened
<v Speaker 2>five inches between.
<v Speaker 1>No difference between five seven and six feet. If you
<v Speaker 1>know that none, you're right. But over the years, that's
<v Speaker 1>what he would do. He would have these versions of
<v Speaker 1>the story that were closer to the truth, and then
<v Speaker 1>he just he'd embellished once, and then he'd tell it
<v Speaker 1>again with the same embellishment, and no one noticed, and
<v Speaker 1>then he'd embellish it even more, and pretty soon there
<v Speaker 1>were six million people in the Pontiac Silver.
<v Speaker 2>Now, I mean, listen, you do you are aware that
<v Speaker 2>under the Giant weighed two tons. Well, that's what I've heard.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was watching like doctor Fentary's it's certainly
<v Speaker 2>it's certainly feasible that a human being could weigh two tons,
<v Speaker 2>all right.
<v Speaker 1>I think his father when he did his grandfather once
<v Speaker 1>lift a four million pound bowlder or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I saw him lift a mount rushmore over his head.
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, I remember, I distinctly remembered under the Giant lifting
<v Speaker 1>Terry Boulder.
<v Speaker 2>But that's never here. Over there's an old team photo
<v Speaker 2>where you can see it clear as day. And not
<v Speaker 2>only was I taller than all the other kids, I
<v Speaker 2>was taller than the coach, combinb out with my expert
<v Speaker 2>throwing arm. Sorry Roger, Yeah, because Roger Clemens is certainly
<v Speaker 2>reading this book. I jumped to the front of the
<v Speaker 2>Little League ranks. Every time I got off the bat.
<v Speaker 2>It was like a special occasion. I hit the first
<v Speaker 2>home run ever over the electric scoreboard. You know, I
<v Speaker 2>had the first home run over the lives. We went
<v Speaker 2>to the Little League World Series, where I.
<v Speaker 1>Here we go. See it's not enough. Yeah, it's not
<v Speaker 1>enough that he did well enough in Tampa Little League
<v Speaker 1>to be in the newspaper. He had to he has
<v Speaker 1>to manufacture a lie about going to the Little League
<v Speaker 1>World Series, which is a whole different level of competition.
<v Speaker 2>Right. You know, I was one of the first teams
<v Speaker 2>ever play on the moon. You know what, dude, little
<v Speaker 2>League on the moon. Brother, We didn't even have to
<v Speaker 2>wear space suits. Were just out there on our own.
<v Speaker 1>If you gave let's put it this way, Terry, if
<v Speaker 1>you gave me three guesses of who would claim to
<v Speaker 1>have played the Little League All Star Game in the Moon,
<v Speaker 1>I would have guessed you.
<v Speaker 2>By the time. I reached it too, yo, or I
<v Speaker 2>got the about fourteen times. The lit League Baseball World Series,
<v Speaker 2>I about fourteen times. And when I and I went
<v Speaker 2>ten for fourteen, you didn't out of seven to fourteen
<v Speaker 2>batting average in the finals of the Little League World Series. Dude,
<v Speaker 2>it was unheard of.
<v Speaker 1>It was unheard of, all right, because it didn't happen.
<v Speaker 1>People have long figured this one out. This isn't a
<v Speaker 1>revelation you'll find like Reddit threads and everything you'd like,
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, you can actually look up who was
<v Speaker 1>in the fucking Little League World Series because it's such
<v Speaker 1>an elite and select thing.
<v Speaker 2>Which book is this from? Which one? This is his
<v Speaker 2>second book? Well that's even worse because Wikipedia was a
<v Speaker 2>fucking big thing. Then you can look up any kind
<v Speaker 2>of results. Like one thing I always I'm so glad
<v Speaker 2>you said that. One thing I always remembers when he
<v Speaker 2>was on Joe Rogan and he was on the podcast.
<v Speaker 1>He's in the studio, he's sitting there and it's freaking
<v Speaker 1>him out. How quickly Rogan's staff is pulling stuff up
<v Speaker 1>on the Internet about what he's talking about to like
<v Speaker 1>fact check him essentially, you know, or you know they're
<v Speaker 1>not doing it in a in a way that's like
<v Speaker 1>confrontational towards them. That's what they do, you know, they
<v Speaker 1>look stuff up to talk about it as they tie,
<v Speaker 1>as they discuss, and Hogan is freaked out, freaked out
<v Speaker 1>by how quickly they can find proof or lack thereof
<v Speaker 1>for the things he's saying.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep. I mean that's so he's naive to it.
<v Speaker 1>Even though your point is well taken that anybody knows
<v Speaker 1>abou Wikipedia, Hulk Hogan didn't apparently.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I mean that Wikipedia and the Internet
<v Speaker 2>is it was the worst thing for wrestlers because all
<v Speaker 2>their stories.
<v Speaker 1>Were the best thing for wrestling podcasters.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly because you can fucking just blow up all their stories.
<v Speaker 1>I have looked before. It's been a while, but I
<v Speaker 1>feel like it is kind of hard though. Even with Wikipedia,
<v Speaker 1>it is hard to find an exhaustive list of every
<v Speaker 1>team who is in the a Little League World Series,
<v Speaker 1>because to be in the World Series doesn't just necessarily
<v Speaker 1>mean you're in the final game. It can mean that
<v Speaker 1>you just go to Williamsport, Pennsylvania and play as one
<v Speaker 1>of the regional champions.
<v Speaker 2>Just to be there.
<v Speaker 1>You're considered to have having gone to the Little League
<v Speaker 1>World Series, even if it's not the final game. So
<v Speaker 1>you're talking at that point, like, you know, dozens and
<v Speaker 1>dozens and dozens of teams in a decade, So it's
<v Speaker 1>not like all of those are listed on Wikipedia. But
<v Speaker 1>people who do know how to look that kind of stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I'd take the Olympics. You know, you can't go to
<v Speaker 1>Wikipedia and read everybody who's of course in the.
<v Speaker 2>United States, in the Olympics.
<v Speaker 1>But you can find it if you know where to look,
<v Speaker 1>if you know who the you know, this scorekeeper, the
<v Speaker 1>record keepers are, and the organizations are that are responsible
<v Speaker 1>for keeping those records, you can find them. It's just
<v Speaker 1>a question of being a little resourceful. So maybe that's
<v Speaker 1>why Terry was emboldened to say that.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe it's fact that it's so it's so off,
<v Speaker 2>like if he was in the Little League World Series
<v Speaker 2>that to be all over these newspaper clippings that we're
<v Speaker 2>looking up, of course, and that's the thing, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>they would be all storyline, right right, It's not enough
<v Speaker 2>for Terry. I'm sorry to cut you off. It's not
<v Speaker 2>enough for Terry. He's gotta go, he's got to take
<v Speaker 2>it that step further. Hold on, because he's about to
<v Speaker 2>take a step further. I'm not sure if it's still there,
<v Speaker 2>But for many years there was a ploque hanging at
<v Speaker 2>the Inner Bay Little League Baseball Fields down near the
<v Speaker 2>entrance of McDill Air Force Base, noting that Terry Blea
<v Speaker 2>had the most home runs in a single season. Brother,
<v Speaker 2>something tell me it's not there. I had. I have
<v Speaker 2>the most home runs. I had more home runs than
<v Speaker 2>any Major League baseball player. Dude, I had more home
<v Speaker 2>runs in one season than all Major League Baseball home
<v Speaker 2>runs combined. And I was scraping the top of the trees.
<v Speaker 3>Bro.
<v Speaker 2>If I was in Wrigley Field, they'd still be Homer's Dude.
<v Speaker 2>I was twelve. Brother, Oh my god, Oh you weren't
<v Speaker 2>in a little league world too. Stop Please, I remember it. Dude.
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what you're trying to deprive me of my truth.
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what, because, like I, I do genuinely wonder
<v Speaker 2>what makes him say, does he actually have some weird
<v Speaker 2>memory that he was in the World Series or just
<v Speaker 2>had to get to that. I'm already said that.
<v Speaker 1>The best I can tell is that he was in
<v Speaker 1>the All Star Game, for Little League in his part
<v Speaker 1>of Florida and played in a game that was written
<v Speaker 1>up as like this big culmination game, you know, kind
<v Speaker 1>of like World Series Stakes, but for you know, greater Tampa, Florida.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a Florida wide We'll we'll go
<v Speaker 1>through it right now because I'm trying.
<v Speaker 3>I did.
<v Speaker 1>I had the exact same thought you did, Like, what
<v Speaker 1>what is this a fill in for this fiction?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 1>What is what little grain of truth? Is he riding
<v Speaker 1>across the finish line here sixty six Tampa times?
<v Speaker 2>There he is. I'll send it to you.
<v Speaker 1>He is now a He's now an All star in
<v Speaker 1>Interbay for the inter Bay Little League team, And there
<v Speaker 1>he is Big Terry Bolay, as it says the first time.
<v Speaker 1>There's the first instance I was able to find. Although
<v Speaker 1>they describe his weight and heighten other articles, this is
<v Speaker 1>the first time where he's written up as having like
<v Speaker 1>having an almost a nickname, an adjective before his name,
<v Speaker 1>Big Terry Bulay and Big Terry Blay is with the
<v Speaker 1>lowercase B, as if everyone in town knows the big
<v Speaker 1>kid you know Eddie arsonal left and Big Terry Bulaya
<v Speaker 1>hoist Kenny Schellenberger, who carries a note of intention collectively
<v Speaker 1>for Interbay little League manager Lewis Garcia's Interbay's take on
<v Speaker 1>Jacksonville seven pm tonight at al Lang Memorial Field, seventh
<v Speaker 1>Avenue and fifty eighth Street in Saint Petersburg in the
<v Speaker 1>State Little League playoffs. That's what he's thinking of. He's
<v Speaker 1>thinking of the States, not the fucking Little League World Series.
<v Speaker 1>He's probably thinking that he can if he's if he's questioned,
<v Speaker 1>if he's called on it, he's probably thinking he can claim, well,
<v Speaker 1>that was like the World Series for Florida, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't the author put a capital W in
<v Speaker 1>a capital S on it, brother, But that wasn't really
<v Speaker 1>my intention. And also I said, like the World Series, dude,
<v Speaker 1>it was the final, right, That's all I said. It
<v Speaker 1>was the final It was the final game we could
<v Speaker 1>have played in the state, dude. So to us, it
<v Speaker 1>was the World Series. Brother, It was essentially the same thing,
<v Speaker 1>even though there is a such thing as the Little
<v Speaker 1>League World Series and I definitely wasn't in it. So
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'll tell you one thing that might be
<v Speaker 1>the reason why he wants to swap out this experience
<v Speaker 1>for some But.
<v Speaker 2>What about this, uh, this field, that mcdeill Air Force
<v Speaker 2>Base that he's talking about. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't doubt that at some point there was some
<v Speaker 1>commemoration of how many home runs he hit. But I
<v Speaker 1>think that there's a reason he says I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if it's still there, because he knows it's not there,
<v Speaker 1>and if somebody went going there and trying to disprove it. So,
<v Speaker 1>but that's a fun one too. I don't know why
<v Speaker 1>he'd say that, but yeah, there it is. Here's a
<v Speaker 1>clip of how he was doing around this time. This
<v Speaker 1>also from nineteen sixty six. Boleya Semo pay small Fry victory,
<v Speaker 1>small fry being just a shorthand term for little baseball players.
<v Speaker 1>Terry boleya twelve year old hurler for Little General, turned
<v Speaker 1>out to be a one man gang brother brother as
<v Speaker 1>he pitched and batted his team to a two oho
<v Speaker 1>shutout over Belk, Lindsay and Intro Bay Little League Action yesterday.
<v Speaker 1>Bala struck out fifteen batters. That's insane, fifteen batters gave
<v Speaker 1>up and gave up only one hit in picking up
<v Speaker 1>the win. He also had the General's only two hits
<v Speaker 1>off losing pitcher Bobby Dennison a home run in a
<v Speaker 1>single Jesus Christ, you're right there, brother, Your brother sounds
<v Speaker 1>like you're a scrape in the bottom of a yogurt bowl.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that was, actually, I got nothing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeh maybe I think you know what I wonder you
<v Speaker 2>know what, I think I might have hit my headphones
<v Speaker 2>against the against the microphone. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>I'm always look as we go through the complete Hull Coogan,
<v Speaker 1>I'm always on guard for the possibility that Hogan's ghost,
<v Speaker 1>his apparition is among us.
<v Speaker 3>Oh.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, listen, it's it's it's here. I'm waiting to you
<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm waiting to see, like for the lights
<v Speaker 2>to flicker like in the Exorcist, and Hogan's hes to
<v Speaker 2>like reflect on my wall quite literally watch your back.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's phenomenal. I mean, he's striking everybody out
<v Speaker 1>and he's the only kN on his team getting hits.
<v Speaker 1>It's like he authored the entire victory himself. That's the
<v Speaker 1>kind of Little League player I'm talking about, you know,
<v Speaker 1>That's what you can do when you're so much bigger
<v Speaker 1>than everybody else. So he's written up that way, so
<v Speaker 1>give him, give him credit. So sixty six really seems
<v Speaker 1>to be his big year where he makes it to
<v Speaker 1>States and he's an All Star and all of that.
<v Speaker 1>And I'll share with you here in just a moment
<v Speaker 1>clipping from the Tampa Tribune that might better acquaint us
<v Speaker 1>with his exploits as well that you can share with
<v Speaker 1>the Solar system. But I think that's what we're talking about. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I had made reference to how he might want to
<v Speaker 1>kind of forget the finer details of this game or
<v Speaker 1>misrepresent what the game actually was. I don't know, maybe
<v Speaker 1>because if you actually knew what game he was talking
<v Speaker 1>about and looked it up, you'd find that he blew
<v Speaker 1>the game. Ooh boy, that he was basically the reason
<v Speaker 1>that they came up short. This is from August third,
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six, headline inter Bay, which is his league
<v Speaker 1>beaten in Little League playoffs. Interbate Little League coach Lewis
<v Speaker 1>Garcia hated losing in the first round of the State
<v Speaker 1>Torny yesterday at Saint Pete's Alang Memorial Field, but Garcia
<v Speaker 1>has all sorts of consolations to keep him from getting
<v Speaker 1>too upset about Interba's two ozer loss to Jacksonville. I'll
<v Speaker 1>have many of my Innerbay boys back next year, Garcia
<v Speaker 1>points out, since I'll be baseball coach at Robinson. That's
<v Speaker 1>the high school that hold Coogan went to, Robinson High School.
<v Speaker 1>Many of the same boys I coached at dowd L
<v Speaker 1>will move to Robinson in time. Then too, I'll have
<v Speaker 1>six of this year's Interbay team back next season. In
<v Speaker 1>lake Worth, West Shetland had just won chance to win
<v Speaker 1>the State Pony League twenty there six thirty PM against
<v Speaker 1>Fort Lauderdale. Okay, that's another game. Intrabay, which had averaged
<v Speaker 1>eight hits per game through five playoff games, was able
<v Speaker 1>to collect just four hits last night in the second
<v Speaker 1>game of a twin bill at al Lang. Bartow had
<v Speaker 1>defeated Delane to two to zero in the opener. Terry
<v Speaker 1>BOWLEYA started on the mound for interre Bay and pitched
<v Speaker 1>well until Andy Albritton, using an unusual stance, belt at
<v Speaker 1>a two run homer in the fourth inning. The runs
<v Speaker 1>were all Jacksonville needed, as winning hurdler Dave People scattered
<v Speaker 1>the hits well and fanned seven along the way. Bob
<v Speaker 1>Dennison came in in relief of Bowlea and fired no
<v Speaker 1>hit ball for the rest of the way for the losers,
<v Speaker 1>who nipped a second Jacksonville rally in the bud in
<v Speaker 1>the fifth with a crowd blazing double play.
<v Speaker 2>So not only.
<v Speaker 1>In my opinion and my estimation, is the game Holkogan
<v Speaker 1>is referring to with the Little League World Series, this
<v Speaker 1>state state championship game against Jacksonville. He blew the game. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>he gave up the two run home run that ended
<v Speaker 1>a two zero baseball game. So maybe maybe that's the
<v Speaker 1>reason he wants to misrepresent precisely.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's when that's when all the kids told him
<v Speaker 2>to keep eating like a fat pig. He lost the game.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that was the Maybe that was the deal. If
<v Speaker 2>you lose a game, you gotta eat like a fat pig. Balaya,
<v Speaker 2>fat bitch, Balaya.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are there are articles where like it's
<v Speaker 1>him and then after the right it's Luthez, like for
<v Speaker 1>a match coming up at the Ford Hesterly.
<v Speaker 2>That that's that's really.
<v Speaker 1>Crazy to think about Hulks being written up as a
<v Speaker 1>little league prospect, a little league I'm sending it to
<v Speaker 1>you now if you can read it off as a
<v Speaker 1>Little League Prodigy and and in the same sports pages
<v Speaker 1>that they're writing about Hulk Hogan on the Terry Blay
<v Speaker 1>on the little league field, there's an ad for a
<v Speaker 1>US match coming up. So this is from July twenty
<v Speaker 1>sixth of nineteen sixty six in the Tampa Tribune. And
<v Speaker 1>if you zoom in down towards the bottom, there you'll
<v Speaker 1>see you'll see the picture of lu Luthez wrestles Tarzan Tyler,
<v Speaker 1>Eddie Graham and rematch. And Terry's in here somewhere. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Interbay tops clear Water.
<v Speaker 2>Do you see that? Let me see here, I see
<v Speaker 2>lutes and then I see up on top.
<v Speaker 1>It says no hitters hrs feature Tourny the web.
<v Speaker 6>Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
<v Speaker 6>need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed
<v Speaker 6>Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and JP Sorrow.
<v Speaker 2>No, there's no hand Oh, I see where there is
<v Speaker 2>there as I got it? Yep, yep. Riverside Yep, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>here we go. Uh Riverside led by John Zambinos. No
<v Speaker 2>hitter in inter Bay paced by four fourth inning home runs,
<v Speaker 2>advanced into the District six Little League All Star at
<v Speaker 2>Tourney semi That's a fucking mouthful, that's what he's talking about.
<v Speaker 2>It's not the State Championship, District six, Little League All
<v Speaker 2>Star Attorney semi finals at Town and Country Field. Sounds
<v Speaker 2>like the Little League World Series. To me, Interbay with
<v Speaker 2>round trippers by, it sounds like he's just going like
<v Speaker 2>you're making a round trip to go to the game.
<v Speaker 2>Round trippers Terry Belaya, Ken Schellenberger and lou Garcia and
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Arsenal in the same inning upended Palma Sea eight
<v Speaker 2>three riverside, which one in spite of being no hit
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, reverse the count, reverse the heat brother by
<v Speaker 2>the feeding hitless east Point three to zero. The survivors
<v Speaker 2>of the single loss elimination tourney meet today at five pm.
<v Speaker 2>It is the rest of the part of it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I did bala is in the next one yep oh oh.
<v Speaker 2>A two run homer by Xavier Prida, followed by Greg
<v Speaker 2>Redding solo blast, accounted for the riverside scoring. Redding also
<v Speaker 2>had a single in the first Zambino fanned thirteen batters,
<v Speaker 2>walking six. East Point's only threat came in the fourth inning,
<v Speaker 2>when three batters drew bases on balls brother, but second
<v Speaker 2>baseman Prima made a fine defensive play on a difficult
<v Speaker 2>grounder to prevent a score. Balaya winning pitcher for inter
<v Speaker 2>Bay scattered three hits and struck out eleven.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, now, eleven strikeouts for Blea doing doing, doing the work.
<v Speaker 1>But that's yep, that's what we're talking about here.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so he's in the All Stars, but he
<v Speaker 1>gives up the homer to lose the whole fucking thing.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, do you know why we're able to
<v Speaker 1>look kind of a skance at some of some of
<v Speaker 1>Terry's little league claims. Do you know who else was
<v Speaker 1>playing in Tampa area little league baseball around the same
<v Speaker 1>time as Terry, Brian Knobbs, No, not quite, Brutis Beefcake.
<v Speaker 2>That was my next guess.
<v Speaker 1>Ed Leslie, Yes, Tampa Boy, himself younger than Hulk. I
<v Speaker 1>think I think ed Leslie was a freshman when Hulk
<v Speaker 1>was his senior. But he did play just enough close
<v Speaker 1>enough to Terry's age that he was able to see
<v Speaker 1>this big kid and hear about this big kid that
<v Speaker 1>played in little league before he ever knew him, before
<v Speaker 1>he ever got to know him he formed a little
<v Speaker 1>bit of a bond over the little league experience that
<v Speaker 1>would come into play later. This is from ed Leslie's book.
<v Speaker 1>He played for a team, by the way, called Paul Macia,
<v Speaker 1>which was much more it seems successful than Terry's team,
<v Speaker 1>which he talks about as if he made it to
<v Speaker 1>the Little World Series. So that's another hint. This is Hulkogan
<v Speaker 1>undoubtedly combining his little league experience without Leslie.
<v Speaker 2>I I I that's Paulmaca was one of the teams
<v Speaker 2>mentioned here. That's right, yes, right, thank you, good good eye. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Ed Leslie made the Palmacy a Senior League All Stars
<v Speaker 1>team in nineteen seventy three. According to some material that
<v Speaker 1>I found, he had a future Baseball Hall of Famer
<v Speaker 1>on the team as well. So it's it's uh, it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was a team that had something to do with
<v Speaker 1>Wade Bogs. I don't know if Wade Bogs played for
<v Speaker 1>the team or Wade Bogs course a huge wrestling fan,
<v Speaker 1>huge good will ambassador for Tampa, close friend to Kurt
<v Speaker 1>Headig in particular.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I remember he was in one of the Mister
<v Speaker 2>Perfect bits.
<v Speaker 1>Yes it was, that's right, and a guy who gave
<v Speaker 1>back very much to Tampa area baseball, and it seems
<v Speaker 1>like Ed Leslie was the beneficiary of that. Ed writes
<v Speaker 1>in his book, Back when I was around eight years old,
<v Speaker 1>was the first time I laid eyes on who would
<v Speaker 1>eventually become known as the immortal Hulk Hogan. My parents
<v Speaker 1>started me off in little league baseball, probably when I
<v Speaker 1>was seven years old. By this time, Terry was already
<v Speaker 1>a legend on our field. Well, I'd already heard of
<v Speaker 1>all the rumblings of Terry playing in the upper age
<v Speaker 1>divisions of our little league. All the teams protested against him.
<v Speaker 2>I love that. I love how he leaves that out,
<v Speaker 2>that he's kind of a heel for being that big.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the coaches on his opposing teams hated him. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>people thought he was older than his actual age because
<v Speaker 1>at eleven or so.
<v Speaker 2>I like to see his birth certificate. He drove here. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I saw him drive here. I saw him behind the wheel.
<v Speaker 2>All right. I'm just saying, all right, you know, someone
<v Speaker 2>get his birth certificate out because I gotta tell you,
<v Speaker 2>I have questions. I have doubts. Maybe he can get
<v Speaker 2>his mother out here. We can confirm some things, but
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you right now, that kid is sixteen. At
<v Speaker 2>least well, hey, you know, say what you will about
<v Speaker 2>he should be arrested. Say what you will about Terry
<v Speaker 2>Visa v. Minority were relations, But at least he knew
<v Speaker 2>what it felt like to be a Dominican kid who
<v Speaker 2>has any success in any little league in the United States.
<v Speaker 2>I love to see his papers. Yeah he flew over
<v Speaker 2>here by himself. Yeah, fucking piece of ship.
<v Speaker 1>He's old enough to drive. The coaches on his opposing
<v Speaker 1>teams hated him. People thought he was older than his
<v Speaker 1>actual age. All the parents said that it wasn't fair
<v Speaker 1>that he played against their children. Can you imagine you're
<v Speaker 1>a little tight. He's gotta you know, playing shortstop, barely
<v Speaker 1>knows how to stop a fucking fly let on a
<v Speaker 1>fly ball, and Terry but Lay is lace and line
<v Speaker 1>drives at his fucking head.
<v Speaker 2>You know what I love is that this, This is
<v Speaker 2>this is what I love about about the sports parent
<v Speaker 2>And this is why, yes, I I I I really
<v Speaker 2>I take I have such an issue with with uh
<v Speaker 2>uh sports parents because if he was on your team,
<v Speaker 2>you'd have no problem with it. Mm hmm, Like that's
<v Speaker 2>the issue You're all only complaining because he's not on
<v Speaker 2>your team. If he was on your team, you'd think
<v Speaker 2>it was fair. So just shut the fuck up and
<v Speaker 2>accept the fact that your kid's gonna fucking lose because
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan's bigger and he's stronger. Naturally, Yeah, back then
<v Speaker 2>it was natural. You're right, right, you know, like that's
<v Speaker 2>just listen. Yes, in the moment, it sucks obviously because
<v Speaker 2>you want you want your kid to win, But come on, like,
<v Speaker 2>what do you what do you fucking like, what what
<v Speaker 2>are you supposed to do? Not play like the kids
<v Speaker 2>of age? He's all, I just I just can't stand
<v Speaker 2>parents like that. And there's so many almost like they're saying,
<v Speaker 2>I should be the one who decides who he plays against, right,
<v Speaker 2>I should be the one who decides what the appropriate
<v Speaker 2>age group for him. Ridiculous, ridiculous.
<v Speaker 1>It does kind of track, like you think about Terry's
<v Speaker 1>just his attitude and just his kind of like his complex,
<v Speaker 1>his martyr complex of always feeling like, you know, people
<v Speaker 1>are doubting him and against him, and he does kind
<v Speaker 1>of carry himself like the kid who everybody hated because
<v Speaker 1>he dominated little league because he was so big, Right,
<v Speaker 1>you know, he does kind of seem seemed like he
<v Speaker 1>got that early lesson and being a heel to people
<v Speaker 1>for just being himself, you know, yep, just his natural state.
<v Speaker 1>One thing he leaves out that Brutus includes is Peter
<v Speaker 1>Blea was a coach on the team. Okay, oh boy,
<v Speaker 1>so it's not like this wasn't a family enterprise. You
<v Speaker 1>can see Peter maybe cheering a little too loudly when
<v Speaker 1>Terry hit his fourth home run of the game, and
<v Speaker 1>that will piss parents off. You know, you can see that.
<v Speaker 2>What you again, again, it only comes from the fact
<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't on your team. Yep, that's what it
<v Speaker 2>comes down to.
<v Speaker 1>You'll never hear a parent complain that this kid is
<v Speaker 1>too big to be on our team.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm going to say, ask any ask any of
<v Speaker 2>these of these, Ask any of these the parents of
<v Speaker 2>the kids on Hogan's team, and they no problem at all,
<v Speaker 2>never a problem. It's always people who are losing losers. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>loser correct.
<v Speaker 1>All the parents said that it wasn't fair that he
<v Speaker 1>played against their children. However, none of that mattered. Terry
<v Speaker 1>wanted to play ball and he was going to play it.
<v Speaker 2>This is Ed Lusk again. It's kind of funny because
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't play ball later in his career.
<v Speaker 1>Terry truly was the biggest kid ever in the whole
<v Speaker 1>Little league.
<v Speaker 2>He was a beast.
<v Speaker 1>At eleven years old, Terry was six foot tall and
<v Speaker 1>two hundred pounds. He was just so much bigger than
<v Speaker 1>everyone that all opposing team players cowered in his shadow.
<v Speaker 1>Terry's dad, Pete Buleya, was one of the coaches. By twelve,
<v Speaker 1>Terry was already bigger than his own father, being three
<v Speaker 1>years younger than Terry. Yeah, he got his height from
<v Speaker 1>his mother, so it doesn't necessarily stand a reason that
<v Speaker 1>his father would be that tall, yep, being three years
<v Speaker 1>younger than Terry. I remember watching him in Awe. The
<v Speaker 1>first game I saw him in. I remember Terry hitting
<v Speaker 1>the fence covered in all those sponsor signs he had
<v Speaker 1>so hard he broke the wood. The ball left a
<v Speaker 1>crater in it. The next time up, I watched him
<v Speaker 1>hit the ball so high over the trees that if
<v Speaker 1>he was in the big leagues, he would have been
<v Speaker 1>clearing a four hundred foot stadium fence. The ball was
<v Speaker 1>out of sight, and so was Terry. Terry was so powerful,
<v Speaker 1>powerful beyond his years. However, he was a little clumsy
<v Speaker 1>at twelve years old and ran awkwardly to first base.
<v Speaker 1>He just couldn't run great yet because he was so big.
<v Speaker 1>But it didn't really matter. If he hit a home run,
<v Speaker 1>he could take all the time in the world. Yet
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he could run well when he was older. No,
<v Speaker 1>definitely an idiot. When he ran in the ring, it
<v Speaker 1>looks like a goofball.
<v Speaker 3>I know.
<v Speaker 1>Or he ran to the ring, you know, trying to
<v Speaker 1>make a save or something. But it didn't really matter.
<v Speaker 1>If he had a home run, he could take all
<v Speaker 1>the time in the world walking around the bases. That
<v Speaker 1>happened a lot. I wanted to be like Terry. But
<v Speaker 1>make no mistake about it, our team rocked. We were
<v Speaker 1>the best in our age division. All the teams had
<v Speaker 1>like one of the players fathers as coach. Most of
<v Speaker 1>them were businessmen and had some pretty serious jobs to
<v Speaker 1>attend to. They would practice a little during an hour
<v Speaker 1>or so before the games, but as FIRS real practice
<v Speaker 1>was concerned, none of the teams ever actually practiced, none
<v Speaker 1>of them except our team. Our coach was a baseball fanatic.
<v Speaker 1>He breathed in eight baseball because of this, we practiced
<v Speaker 1>regularly and became ridiculously disciplined by Little League standards. We
<v Speaker 1>could do things that the other teams didn't even understand.
<v Speaker 1>Not often did you see Little League players hit a
<v Speaker 1>double or even triple play. Because of all of our practicing,
<v Speaker 1>we would go out there and just murder all the teams.
<v Speaker 1>Because of our team's record, the league had to in
<v Speaker 1>state a special ten run rule. This rule stated that
<v Speaker 1>if we made ten runs unopposed after four innings, they
<v Speaker 1>would just call the game to stop us from brutally
<v Speaker 1>torturing our opponents more than four innings. From eleven seven
<v Speaker 1>to eleven years old, I had very vivid memories of
<v Speaker 1>leaving the fields and looking over at the losing teams
<v Speaker 1>players on the benches, with all the kids crying their
<v Speaker 1>eyes out. As you can imagine, just like the monstrous
<v Speaker 1>Terry Bolea, nobody wanted to play our team the entire
<v Speaker 1>four year stretch I was there. Members of our team
<v Speaker 1>went on to big city tournaments every year. I remember
<v Speaker 1>at ten or eleven years old, I made the All
<v Speaker 1>Star team there. I met and got to play with
<v Speaker 1>Wade Boggs.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>His dad was one of the All Star coaches and
<v Speaker 1>I played on his team. So yeah, that's the that's
<v Speaker 1>Wade Bogs is the future Hall of Famer that's in
<v Speaker 1>the picture with ed Leslie.
<v Speaker 2>How about did he go to the World Series? No,
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know.
<v Speaker 1>But this is I think Terry said he went to
<v Speaker 1>the World Series because he had to top what ed
<v Speaker 1>Leslie had done. Because by the time that second book
<v Speaker 1>came out, I'm not sure they were the.
<v Speaker 2>Best of friends anymore.
<v Speaker 1>Ah, let's not forget Terry was very concerned, according to Brutus,
<v Speaker 1>when Brutus announced he was coming out with the book,
<v Speaker 1>and Brutus was saying, somethings on social.
<v Speaker 2>Media didn't come out years later after Hovan's second book. Ye, dead,
<v Speaker 2>yes it did.
<v Speaker 1>My point is, if he's using his second book to
<v Speaker 1>get over on some of his friends and try to
<v Speaker 1>eclipse their their accomplished I see he's all of a
<v Speaker 1>sudden after not mentioning it in his first book, he
<v Speaker 1>was in the Little League World Series in the second book.
<v Speaker 1>And what that does is kind of lap the accomplishments
<v Speaker 1>that Beefcake outlined, and perhaps he had outline those before
<v Speaker 1>actually publishing them in a book in an interview or something,
<v Speaker 1>thus triggering Hogan. It's the same psychology that led Hogan
<v Speaker 1>to do the announcement that's going to run for president
<v Speaker 1>when Jesse Ventura won the governorship.
<v Speaker 2>Right right, What's.
<v Speaker 1>What's the next level? I'll say I did that and
<v Speaker 1>no one will know the difference.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, you want to talk about, by the way, the
<v Speaker 2>spirit of Hulk Hogan freaking you? Freaking us out because
<v Speaker 2>I just felt like a trembling under my chair. Excuse me, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>weird little not like ground shaking, but like as if
<v Speaker 2>as if somebody like kicked your chair, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>a you know, a chair, like an office chair, and
<v Speaker 2>like kind of kicked it a little bit and you
<v Speaker 2>moved a little bit, like without my you know, was
<v Speaker 2>it under my power? Brother? You're nervous a little bit?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, could could be anything. Well, I don't know, dude.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there, brother, Yeah, yeah, do you want say
<v Speaker 2>anything about it? Oh, he's not here and nothing here,
<v Speaker 2>nothing here. So I'm listening. I'm we we move forward,
<v Speaker 2>doesn't you know, No spirit's gonna stop us.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what it might be. It might be
<v Speaker 1>the vestiges of Terry Young, Terry Blea digging in the
<v Speaker 1>dirt with his Tonguka trucks.
<v Speaker 2>Let's go back also that also not in the uh
<v Speaker 2>in the the video there the stories of your whatever,
<v Speaker 2>your child, stories of my mom, stories of my mom.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, does he look like uh in that in that
<v Speaker 1>special by the way, the fat kid Who's gotta does
<v Speaker 1>he look like a kid fucking striking out eleven?
<v Speaker 2>You know?
<v Speaker 1>And uh going to the uh the district championship and
<v Speaker 1>Belton home runs and being feared by the other team.
<v Speaker 2>He's definitely striking out. I will say that.
<v Speaker 1>But uh, just to bring it down a level, make
<v Speaker 1>it a little more, you know, get a little more
<v Speaker 1>closer to how Terry grew up, not before he achieved
<v Speaker 1>fame in the little league field. This passage here, I
<v Speaker 1>think is instructive if you can share it with the
<v Speaker 1>Solar System boss. This is him describing just Terry Bulla
<v Speaker 1>at play in his Tampa neighborhood.
<v Speaker 2>One of things I like to do most was play
<v Speaker 2>with this black talk of truck I've gotten for Christmas.
<v Speaker 2>I'll take it out and play construction. Did you ever
<v Speaker 2>do that? You ever played construction? Kind of? Yeah, you'd
<v Speaker 2>have your I never had a name for it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I never said. I never never thought of that that Mom,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go play construction what I'm doing? Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I never ever And I'll play construction in the dirt
<v Speaker 2>all day long, from the time I woke up until
<v Speaker 2>the time until the tom I had to go go
<v Speaker 2>in for dinner. I made believe the truck was a
<v Speaker 2>big red one with my my dad drove when he
<v Speaker 2>was laying pipe.
<v Speaker 1>Brother, excuse me, okay, some he might be doing some
<v Speaker 1>secret metaphors in this book.
<v Speaker 2>I'm convinced there might be.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, wait until he starts about the rocks. He
<v Speaker 1>stuffed up his nose.
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, dude, I saw my dad lay pie.
<v Speaker 3>Brother.
<v Speaker 2>If you just we didn't tell rizzoth, I would use
<v Speaker 2>popsible sticks for people and dig holes in the ground
<v Speaker 2>and make a whole construction site with that one tgg
<v Speaker 2>A truck. Funny thing was, as I sat there in
<v Speaker 2>the dirt, I looked for I looked for rocks of
<v Speaker 2>a certain size, rocks of a certain size, bigger than
<v Speaker 2>a babie gun, but not as big as a dime.
<v Speaker 2>And when I found him, I just my nose. Is
<v Speaker 2>he trying to say he was doing cocaine or a cocine.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, if he's talking about fucking shoving
<v Speaker 2>rocks up his nose, I don't know. It might be.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why bad stuff, all the type of
<v Speaker 2>stuff appealed to me. I just knew I could be
<v Speaker 2>happy stuff and rocks up my nose all day long.
<v Speaker 2>So he's normal, So you know, you know, there are
<v Speaker 2>some things that you know. I do appreciate any kind
<v Speaker 2>of random detail in in autobio, but there are some
<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, I don't. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 2>needed to say that one. I don't know if we
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we need to you know, if
<v Speaker 2>it's pertinent to the day to day life of Hulkgan
<v Speaker 2>fans to know that he liked to shove rocks that
<v Speaker 2>were bigger than a babe but smaller than a dime
<v Speaker 2>up his nose. What an idiot?
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, this big oaf stuff and rocks up his nose
<v Speaker 1>with his tongue of trucks.
<v Speaker 2>And then to say, I just knew I could be
<v Speaker 2>happy stuff and rocks up my nose all day long?
<v Speaker 2>What like or.
<v Speaker 1>Something he says in one of his books, like they
<v Speaker 1>say had to almost have surgery one time to take
<v Speaker 1>one of those things.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not surprised. Oh this might be it. Here, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this might be it. Uh. Then one night, as I
<v Speaker 2>was lying in bed, I couldn't breathe. All of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>my parents panicked and it's like a flashlight up my nose.
<v Speaker 2>So not only is he got a rock, but also
<v Speaker 2>now he's got a giant metal tube up his nose
<v Speaker 2>and saw it stuffed a rock way up into sinus's.
<v Speaker 2>They had to take me to the hospital and I
<v Speaker 2>had pulled out. That was the first That was the
<v Speaker 2>first inkling they got that their son was a rock stuffer.
<v Speaker 2>That's a T shirt, he says. He says rock stuffer
<v Speaker 2>like it's a thing.
<v Speaker 1>Well, the next time he'd stuffed Rock would be wrestling
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen.
<v Speaker 14>It's good.
<v Speaker 2>Stuffed him pretty hard too. It's another time Rock sent
<v Speaker 2>him to the hospital. Another thing I liked to do
<v Speaker 2>was pick these little orange spotted caterpillars off the oleander
<v Speaker 2>trees and collect them in glass jars. I remember having
<v Speaker 2>I remember having a fight with one of the kids
<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood over them. His name was Roger and
<v Speaker 2>he was a red haired freckle faced bitch. Bitch, he says, kid,
<v Speaker 2>O good, I wouldn't have missed that one freckle faced
<v Speaker 2>kid who is usually who's usually one of my good friends,
<v Speaker 2>but apparently also had a fight with him. But one
<v Speaker 2>day he decided to steal my caterpullers. So I picked
<v Speaker 2>up a rock and as he was running home, I
<v Speaker 2>plunked him in the back of the head. The rock
<v Speaker 2>split his head open and he bled like a stuck
<v Speaker 2>pins awful. What kind of story is this, Terry? I mean, also,
<v Speaker 2>you know, what are you fucking?
<v Speaker 3>Uh?
<v Speaker 1>Will Ferrell is elf throwing softball snowballs in.
<v Speaker 2>Stuff the park? Like I imagine him doing that kind
<v Speaker 2>of final grenade launch one that he does, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and then it's like then he split, like his head
<v Speaker 2>split open. I just think of it as you know,
<v Speaker 2>in like Independence Day, when they open up the armor
<v Speaker 2>of the alien, all of a sudden one of those
<v Speaker 2>the clown split yes, oh god absolutely, uh uh rock
<v Speaker 2>the rocks put his head open, and he played like
<v Speaker 2>a suck pig. But then I'd always had a strong
<v Speaker 2>throwing arm, you know. When I was eight, I started
<v Speaker 2>putting it to good use in the Little League. It
<v Speaker 2>was pretty good at baseball.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 2>I first turned nine, I became one of the few
<v Speaker 2>kids my age ever ever been allowed to play in
<v Speaker 2>what they called the majors. The majors, Yeah, that's yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Is that a legit? That's legit? Yeah, okay, a way
<v Speaker 2>to refer to a type of little league I was.
<v Speaker 2>I was a hard throwing pitcher at a pretty good
<v Speaker 2>third baseman. The problem was that I was fat and
<v Speaker 2>really slow, so I didn't hit the ball over the
<v Speaker 2>So if I didn't hit the ball over the fence,
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get an extra base hit. The other team
<v Speaker 2>would always throw it was fucking Babe Ruth too, so
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, Baby Ruth is the same way. He
<v Speaker 2>couldn't fucking run right now, right, yeah for sure, and
<v Speaker 2>it's a bitch, so no problem. Then fucking hit home runs. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>the other team would throw me out a second. And
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you, brother, it didn't take it as
<v Speaker 2>a real brother. He put that one in there. That's
<v Speaker 2>not me doing it. That's a real that's a real brother.
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, brother, it didn't take a genius
<v Speaker 2>to figure out why I was fat. Even when I
<v Speaker 2>was really young, I was a serious candy haul like, dude,
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, brother, even when I got in
<v Speaker 2>my thirties, I was also a candy hall like if
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, because you know what the boys, brother,
<v Speaker 2>we like our candy dude. Yep. My favorite vice, my
<v Speaker 2>favorite white vice, was baby Ruth candy bars. They used
<v Speaker 2>to make them real big, like about six or hell ella,
<v Speaker 2>this makes a big fucking jump here, a little bit
<v Speaker 2>about six or nine inches long?
<v Speaker 1>Wow, this big long nine inch baby Ruth right there. Now,
<v Speaker 1>it's starting to make sense.
<v Speaker 2>Now is the six inch baby Ruth Terry but his
<v Speaker 2>baby Ruth and the nine in Baby Ruth's Baby Ruth.
<v Speaker 2>You're talking dude, exactly. By the way, there's no way
<v Speaker 2>there was a fucking nine inch candy bar. Okay, not,
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? Even like even when they
<v Speaker 2>get the king sized ones, it's usually two in there.
<v Speaker 2>You know, used to make a real big, real big brother.
<v Speaker 2>How this Halloween, I want to hand out nine inch
<v Speaker 2>baby Rooth. See the kid kid's face fucking dildo sized
<v Speaker 2>candy bars. Okay, yeah, let's start throwing baby ruths onto
<v Speaker 2>courts at w NBA games. It's right exactly if they're
<v Speaker 2>going to be that big.
<v Speaker 8>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>I just remember I'd bout two or three of them,
<v Speaker 2>minish out a shot and shove them down my throat,
<v Speaker 2>one after the other. Okay, Terry, you're starting to make
<v Speaker 2>me think other things. But okay about Tom. I got
<v Speaker 2>into first grade, I was pretty chubby. No, he wasn't.
<v Speaker 2>We've seen him in third grade. He's not chubby. Look whatever,
<v Speaker 2>he's not chubby. Any push ups of the other kids.
<v Speaker 2>I had a problem when it came to climb a
<v Speaker 2>rope and I ran like I was pulling a piano
<v Speaker 2>at ballast point. In elementary school, we had a football
<v Speaker 2>field and one of the physics teachers was real strong,
<v Speaker 2>but I had a short leg and would and would walk.
<v Speaker 2>Funny used to make the kids run across the field
<v Speaker 2>and back again, but not me. I was so fat.
<v Speaker 2>He put me at the far goal post and have
<v Speaker 2>me just run one way, and even with my head start,
<v Speaker 2>the other fifty kids would still beat me. Whatever, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I can second relate to that I have when I
<v Speaker 2>was in When I was in elementary school and middle school,
<v Speaker 2>there used to be a thing we used to do,
<v Speaker 2>the one mile run walk. Do you ever have to
<v Speaker 2>do that kind of know what you mean, where they
<v Speaker 2>would time your how long you would do a mile,
<v Speaker 2>which was four laps around the soccer field? Man, I
<v Speaker 2>mean I would. I couldn't do it. Yeah, I couldn't.
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't run it, but I had. But there were
<v Speaker 2>kids in my class who generally were not fans of mine,
<v Speaker 2>who would just fucking do it, and they'd run it
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing in like six minutes. Sure, the whole
<v Speaker 2>fucking thing in six minutes. And I was always last. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>I was always dead last. Can you ever imagine fifteen
<v Speaker 2>and the thing is is fifteen minutes like I do, like,
<v Speaker 2>which is actually an average mile, you know, an average
<v Speaker 2>walking mile, fifteen minutes. But man, it was the worst feeling,
<v Speaker 2>always being the last one, being about school where people
<v Speaker 2>already didn't like me.
<v Speaker 1>Being that age, and being transfixed by Hull Cogan on
<v Speaker 1>television having no idea what you were going through at
<v Speaker 1>school is what he went through at that age.
<v Speaker 2>Even that crazier. That's it, absolutely is even crazier to
<v Speaker 2>be able to have like identify in so many ways
<v Speaker 2>headstart with who, because a lot I want to be
<v Speaker 2>uh uh uh when my headstart o to be me.
<v Speaker 2>Whenever games were we played at school, I was the
<v Speaker 2>last one to get picked. Yep, me too. Nobody wanted
<v Speaker 2>a kid on their team who looked like the Goodyear blimp.
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just in sports that kids didn't want
<v Speaker 2>to pick me. And every other Friday, this teacher would
<v Speaker 2>roll out an amplifier and a record player and make
<v Speaker 2>a dance and make us dance with the girls. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>the girls got to choose who they dance with. I
<v Speaker 2>never wanted to dance with me. They dance, would just
<v Speaker 2>want to anybody butt me. Out of all thirty boys
<v Speaker 2>in phys ed class, I'd be the I'd be one
<v Speaker 2>of the two or three that got snubbed our reward,
<v Speaker 2>which we thought was great at the time, but the
<v Speaker 2>coach told us to go and play soccer. So it'd
<v Speaker 2>get a ball and go kick it around and laugh
<v Speaker 2>at all the boys who had to dance with the girls.
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was lucky. I didn't sink in that
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't been picked because I was a fat kid.
<v Speaker 2>I mean also maybe because because you have the face
<v Speaker 2>of an oaf. Yeah, definitely had an oafish face.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's the face and head more than
<v Speaker 1>it is.
<v Speaker 2>And the hair, honestly, the hair is just not okay.
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<v Speaker 6>their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's an lapsed fan.
<v Speaker 6>Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneo and JP Soro.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially in the high school picture, it's just not okay.
<v Speaker 2>It's just not okay. And it wasn't just my weight
<v Speaker 2>that made me different. I remember in first grade a
<v Speaker 2>girl named Sarah with glasses and curly blonde hair, shared
<v Speaker 2>a desk with me on the first day of school.
<v Speaker 2>You know. She sat down and stared at me for
<v Speaker 2>a minute like I was doing, like I was some
<v Speaker 2>kind of freak. Then she said, have your head, oh
<v Speaker 2>than that big? My head was huge alright, probably the
<v Speaker 2>same size as it is now, but I didn't need
<v Speaker 2>her to point it out to me. Before I got
<v Speaker 2>the first grade, a neighborhood named Butcher was his last name.
<v Speaker 2>R Was he Butcher? That great question? Butcher? What about? Yeah? Well,
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking Butcher brutus though had teased me about
<v Speaker 2>the size of my head every chance he got in school.
<v Speaker 2>I figured I was finally safe from that stuff. That
<v Speaker 2>along came Sarah but she didn't get the last laugh. See,
<v Speaker 2>she had a sweater tied around her waists that it was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, a sweater tied around her waist that she
<v Speaker 2>was really proud of. By the end of that first
<v Speaker 2>day of school, Sarah ended up go ahead, what Sarah did?
<v Speaker 3>What?
<v Speaker 2>What kind of revenge is he getting here? Talk about receipts? Right,
<v Speaker 2>it's not even revenge really, it's like.
<v Speaker 4>Um.
<v Speaker 2>By the end of that first day at school, Sarah
<v Speaker 2>ended up ping in her pants and pete all over
<v Speaker 2>the sweater. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I figured it
<v Speaker 2>was her punishment for being mean to me. It's weird
<v Speaker 2>of the things you remember as a kid, yeah, especially you. Fortunately,
<v Speaker 2>there were ways I could excel even if I was
<v Speaker 2>a fat kid with a big head. One of those
<v Speaker 2>ways was bowling. From the time I was eight years
<v Speaker 2>old until I was twelve, a team with a kid
<v Speaker 2>named Vic Petite He who later became a professional bowler,
<v Speaker 2>another well respected profession. We were in the state, I remember,
<v Speaker 2>I can remember. I remember on Saturday, on Saturday mornings, okay,
<v Speaker 2>i'd have like the two hour block of cartoons or
<v Speaker 2>two or three hour block of cartoons, and then eleven
<v Speaker 2>o'clock or noon something around that time. Candlepins for Dallas. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>candlepin bowling would come on my television, yep. And it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't until I moved out of the New England area
<v Speaker 2>for the first time that I realized candlepin bowling was
<v Speaker 2>not a thing anywhere else. It certainly wasn't on television. No,
<v Speaker 2>it certainly was not on television. Cantlepit bowling on television.
<v Speaker 2>It's a fucking weird I know. It was so fucking
<v Speaker 2>weird when you think about it.
<v Speaker 1>There and there's like this thin film of dust on
<v Speaker 1>your fingers. I've washed my hands like three, three, four times.
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Oh I remember I used to love going
<v Speaker 2>candlepin bowling at h At. There was a place I
<v Speaker 2>used to go probably I don't know, once a week.
<v Speaker 2>It seemed like so at least how I remember it.
<v Speaker 2>But it probably wasn't played like once a month, right,
<v Speaker 2>would go bowling, Terry bowle there it is, that's right. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>We were the Florida state doubles champions five years in
<v Speaker 2>a row.
<v Speaker 3>Do you have.
<v Speaker 2>Evidence of that? Yeah? We did. We talked about okay, great,
<v Speaker 2>but doubles champions for five years in a row. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. He also, yeah, no, I don't know. That's
<v Speaker 2>that's what I meant, doubles champions five years in a rows,
<v Speaker 2>but I wanted evidence.
<v Speaker 1>They won five tournament games in a row in the
<v Speaker 1>inter Bay, the All Star competition against Jacksonville.
<v Speaker 2>Before they lost. So maybe he's just five five in
<v Speaker 2>a row for everything. Maybe maybe.
<v Speaker 1>But what he doesn't, you know, what he doesn't mention
<v Speaker 1>is that they came up short.
<v Speaker 2>And one of us, Vick more often than me, was
<v Speaker 2>always a singles champion too. When I turned nine, I
<v Speaker 2>started using a sixteen pound ball, which was a little crazy, right,
<v Speaker 2>adults use sixteen pounders. Damn things should have toren my
<v Speaker 2>arm out of the socket. But I was a big kid,
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes I was able to handle it. Brother, handle
<v Speaker 2>the big balls, right. One of the reasons we became
<v Speaker 2>such good bowlers was there was a bowling alley just
<v Speaker 2>five blocks from a house. It was called other it
<v Speaker 2>was called Panorama.
<v Speaker 3>Dude.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, no wonder, brother, I'm always getting pinned, dude,
<v Speaker 2>even when I was a kid.
<v Speaker 1>Panorama's been too close for comfort since day one. Brother,
<v Speaker 1>this isn't some Panorama holts going over? And I got
<v Speaker 1>the creative control in my back pocket.
<v Speaker 2>And Vic and I will go there every week without fail.
<v Speaker 2>I never thought about at the time, but we must
<v Speaker 2>have spent quite a bit of money in that place.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Vix's parents must have thought uh, thought so too, because
<v Speaker 2>they eventually bought the bowling alley right. Unfortunately, that was
<v Speaker 2>about the time I lost interest in it in bowling
<v Speaker 2>and get caught up in other things. Good timing, huh.
<v Speaker 2>The other sport I continued to play for a long
<v Speaker 2>time was baseball. I remember one day they saw a
<v Speaker 2>brand new electric scoreboard in our town where kids didn't
<v Speaker 2>have much in the way of toys or bikes because
<v Speaker 2>their parents didn't have much money. And they also said
<v Speaker 2>a lot of racist shit too. And that's how I
<v Speaker 2>dress while we're on, Dude, it was a real big
<v Speaker 2>deal to hit a home run. Then you could take
<v Speaker 2>the whole team to Burger King for a whopper or something.
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me put it to you this way, Terry.
<v Speaker 1>You've never had to go to Burger King to serve
<v Speaker 1>up a whopper. Baby, I see more whoppers come out
<v Speaker 1>of your kitchen than any Burger King I've.
<v Speaker 2>Ever been to.
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you something, dude, unbelievable. The travails and
<v Speaker 1>travels of Terry Jean bulla young Terry bullya Tonka trucks,
<v Speaker 1>rocks up the nose.
<v Speaker 2>And the rock stuffer is just that's just that's something
<v Speaker 2>a rock stuffer. I don't know how I can feel
<v Speaker 2>about that at all.
<v Speaker 1>And do you think it was enough to claim he
<v Speaker 1>was in the Little League World Series? Or does he
<v Speaker 1>have to go down claiming that? Does he have to
<v Speaker 1>go down stealing Randy Savage's valor or pretending that he
<v Speaker 1>actually was on track to be a major league baseball player.
<v Speaker 2>Of course he does, and he was, he is. He
<v Speaker 2>was a professional baseball player. You know something I don't know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he was. He was Roger Clemens for a while. Did
<v Speaker 2>you know that? He said, I was Roger Clemens for
<v Speaker 2>a good season or two. I was Roger Clemens.
<v Speaker 1>Another another part of I guess Hogan myth making. It's
<v Speaker 1>so strange. In his first book, All of a Sudden,
<v Speaker 1>after two chapters, he just has this chapter about how
<v Speaker 1>he actually didn't go to the Florida Sheriff's Boys ranch
<v Speaker 1>because he was fighting and because he was a bad
<v Speaker 1>boy kind of like the ranch kind of like the
<v Speaker 1>cal Farley Ranch from the Lapsed Funk days. Yeah, Eddie
<v Speaker 1>Graham was heavily involved. There was another place he recruited wrestlers,
<v Speaker 1>by the way, at the boys Ranch. It is kind
<v Speaker 1>of creepy, this Boy's ranch to wrestler pipeline.
<v Speaker 2>There there is it's a very Listen, the Boy's ranch
<v Speaker 2>alone is just a weird thing to me, absolutely very creepy.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I mean all the abuse allegations we talked
<v Speaker 1>about during the Lapsed Monk, it's like, in some ways
<v Speaker 1>it is the nightmare that you think it was, you
<v Speaker 1>think it could have been. But so that all said,
<v Speaker 1>for some reason along the way, particularly during the steroid scandal,
<v Speaker 1>Hulk is being written up as having had a having
<v Speaker 1>had a troubled childhood in a way, having to go
<v Speaker 1>to this boy's ranch because he was in trouble with
<v Speaker 1>the law. And he does a whole chapter saying that,
<v Speaker 1>actually I.
<v Speaker 2>Went to a different ranch. It was a it was
<v Speaker 2>a Catholic ranch, and it was actually you know, the
<v Speaker 2>ranch I actually had was Hidden Valley Ranch. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know everyone gets that. I just drank it down. I
<v Speaker 2>just fucking open a bottle, just fucking chug it down.
<v Speaker 1>Brother, I'm starting to think I was a fat kid,
<v Speaker 1>as like the whole thing. Yeah, the whole thing, he's
<v Speaker 1>trying to say. But no, it was a youth ranch
<v Speaker 1>in Tampa, and it was it was run by it's
<v Speaker 1>called the Tampa Youth Ranch. It was run by a
<v Speaker 1>guy named Hank Lindstrom who was a minister. And he
<v Speaker 1>did go there, did terry, but not because he, at
<v Speaker 1>least according to him, got into any kind of trouble,
<v Speaker 1>but just because kind of one day he was ushered
<v Speaker 1>into this world.
<v Speaker 2>He says.
<v Speaker 1>You know, if your cruise around the internet and check
<v Speaker 1>out what's been written about me, you'll read that I
<v Speaker 1>was arrested for street fighting at the age of fourteen
<v Speaker 1>and sent to a reform school called the Flora Sheriff's
<v Speaker 1>Boys Ranch. It's like, really they said that about him.
<v Speaker 1>And indeed I found something that was published in California
<v Speaker 1>area newspapers around the time that he'd got in the
<v Speaker 1>steroid scandals and the whiff of steroid trouble, and it
<v Speaker 1>does say here his father a construction worker and his
<v Speaker 1>mother a housewife and dance teacher. I moved to the
<v Speaker 1>pre hulkster to Tampa when he was three. He was
<v Speaker 1>a star pitcher on his Little Lea team when he
<v Speaker 1>was twelve, but found trouble for street fighting at fourteen
<v Speaker 1>and was sent to the Florida Sheriff's Boys Ranch. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>and he seeks here to debunk that. He says, you
<v Speaker 1>read I was arrested for street fighting at the age
<v Speaker 1>of fourteen and sent to a reform school. I'm here
<v Speaker 1>to tell you it's not true. It's obviously not true.
<v Speaker 1>I was never a rest for fighting, and I never
<v Speaker 1>wound up at that type of place. The idea may
<v Speaker 1>have been concocted by a promoter as part of a
<v Speaker 1>wrestling storyline and got picked up by the press. Or
<v Speaker 1>it might have come from somebody confusing bits and pieces
<v Speaker 1>in my life. Who knows, But I'm going on the
<v Speaker 1>record and saying I never got sent to the Florida
<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's Boys Ranch. Now, never got sent there versus going there.
<v Speaker 1>Where I did end up was a place called the
<v Speaker 1>Christian Youth Ranch, which isn't exactly what it's called. It's
<v Speaker 1>called the Tampa Youth Ranch. But I take his point,
<v Speaker 1>and what happened to me there became a turning point
<v Speaker 1>in my life. When I was a kid, my family
<v Speaker 1>belonged to Ballast Point Baptist Church, but we didn't attend.
<v Speaker 2>On consistent pasis. Maybe we'd show up every other week
<v Speaker 2>or so.
<v Speaker 1>I remember about those Sundays was getting dressed in my
<v Speaker 1>clean clothes and trying my hardest to stay awake, which
<v Speaker 1>wasn't easy. Then when I got to Monroe Junior High School,
<v Speaker 1>I began playing football with these twin brothers, Ronald and
<v Speaker 1>Donald Satterwithe. Both of them were Ronald and Donald McDonald right,
<v Speaker 1>so I guess he played a little bit junior high too.
<v Speaker 1>Both of them are preachers now. Every day after practice
<v Speaker 1>they tried to talk me into coming to some kind
<v Speaker 1>of ranch for Christian kids. Finally I gave in and
<v Speaker 1>went with them.
<v Speaker 2>You can picture this.
<v Speaker 1>Right, this thing where like they shrum the guitar and everything,
<v Speaker 1>and oh yes, you know that's a very very like
<v Speaker 1>teen angst thing. It's a way to get it's a
<v Speaker 1>way to develop the next generation of Christian rockers. That's
<v Speaker 1>what It's where creed comes from. Absolutely, So can you
<v Speaker 1>keep us going here on this description of the ranch, bros.
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, brother, Well, dude, the rams was about two
<v Speaker 2>and a half miles from my parents' place in the
<v Speaker 2>direction of downtown. It didn't look like much. It's a
<v Speaker 2>house that had been built out, bigger than the other
<v Speaker 2>houses in the area. There was a bunch of friendly
<v Speaker 2>looking kids there, all of them sitting around and singing
<v Speaker 2>and talking about the Bible. I was curious. I sat
<v Speaker 2>down and joined them, and after we went out to
<v Speaker 2>play basketball and mess around. Turned out they needed someone
<v Speaker 2>to play guitar at the youth ranch as they could
<v Speaker 2>sing the gospel songs. So they could sing the gospel songs,
<v Speaker 2>I'll sing guitar lessons at the time with mister Rhodes, right, brother,
<v Speaker 2>and I could play the simple type of chords and
<v Speaker 2>progressions that you might find on religious songs. So the
<v Speaker 2>next time I showed up, I brought my guitar. That
<v Speaker 2>became my incentive to keep coming back, brother, that I
<v Speaker 2>would get that I get to play the guitar while
<v Speaker 2>everyone's sang. The guy who ran the ranch was a
<v Speaker 2>musician named Hank Lindstrom. He's the one who explained the
<v Speaker 2>lesson of John three sixteen to me. What about Austin
<v Speaker 2>three sixteen?
<v Speaker 3>Though?
<v Speaker 2>Did you learn about that one? He told me that
<v Speaker 2>life isn't isn't it? Once around the block type of deal.
<v Speaker 2>He said, if I accepted the fact that Christ died
<v Speaker 2>on the cross to pay for my sins, I'd be
<v Speaker 2>cleansed of them, and even better, I wouldn't perish, but
<v Speaker 2>would have everlasting life. That sounded like a hell of
<v Speaker 2>a deal to me. So when I was fourteen, after
<v Speaker 2>hanging and banging out at the Youth Ranch, hanging and
<v Speaker 2>banging at the youth Ranch, hanging out at the youth Ranch,
<v Speaker 2>I accepted Christ is my savior, and from that point on,
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had a better understanding of life
<v Speaker 2>and why you should treat people the way you want
<v Speaker 2>to be treated. Brother, accept what I'm not digging creative,
<v Speaker 2>that's a different story. Go ahead, please. I just seem
<v Speaker 2>more aware of everything. Maybe it was because I was fourteen,
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's because I was getting older, but whatever it was,
<v Speaker 2>I saw things differently than I had before. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>not sure I would have learned all that had I
<v Speaker 2>if I'd ended up at this the Florida Sheriff's Boys Ranch.
<v Speaker 3>Dude.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, And but it does the audiobook years later it
<v Speaker 1>totally skipped that chapter. It's so bizarre. They score a
<v Speaker 1>lot of chapters. Actually, yeah, they do a lot of
<v Speaker 1>non sequiturs in that book. It's almost like the one
<v Speaker 1>thing I want to achieve more than anything with this
<v Speaker 1>book is debunk things people say about me and kind
<v Speaker 1>of package it is my life's story. But really all
<v Speaker 1>it is is a series of things I want to say,
<v Speaker 1>didn't happen or did happen differently than interpreted.
<v Speaker 2>Did Terry go to the Florida Sherifft Youth Ranch.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm convinced by what he says there, and
<v Speaker 1>it was a thing. This is an article here in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine and the Tampa Times about it, God's Back.
<v Speaker 1>The lead reads God's Back. Some have been claiming He's dead,
<v Speaker 1>but hundreds of Tampa Bay teens flocking to youth ranches
<v Speaker 1>in the area are here to say no to that boast.
<v Speaker 1>Led by guitar playing ordained ministers, students turn out for
<v Speaker 1>evenings of singing, discussion and Bible study. And these students
<v Speaker 1>are mostly high school leaders, football players, and fun loving kids.
<v Speaker 1>For them, some for the first time. God is in
<v Speaker 1>the Tampa Youth Ranch six years old. It's located on
<v Speaker 1>one acre of land at three ten thirty ten to
<v Speaker 1>di leone Street. Teams meet there every thursd from seven
<v Speaker 1>thirty pm to nine pm. Ranch leader and Minister Hank
<v Speaker 1>Linstrom and his wife live in the attractive Cement Block
<v Speaker 1>Ranch building. Lindstrom and Brandon Youth Ranch Leader Tony Mirabella
<v Speaker 1>are on call twenty four hours a day to teens
<v Speaker 1>who have problems. The new Brandon Ranch is temporarily housed
<v Speaker 1>into Lamona Academy. I repeat on call twenty four hours
<v Speaker 1>a day to teens who have problems. This is a
<v Speaker 1>ranch four teens who have problems. Youth Ranch atmosphere is
<v Speaker 1>informal dresses, always casual. Some wear shorts and go bare foot.
<v Speaker 1>What kind of problems though, Yeah, I know that's that's
<v Speaker 1>the thing.
<v Speaker 2>I did not go to Sheriff's Boys Ranch, brother, I
<v Speaker 2>went to a different one for the same reasons. So
<v Speaker 2>I don't have problems, dude, right.
<v Speaker 1>While others may come in school clothes. Well, he did
<v Speaker 1>talk about rolling up with Alan sometimes and ready to
<v Speaker 1>throw hands, so maybe it's one of those instances. At
<v Speaker 1>both the Tampa and the Brandon Ranch, the students sit
<v Speaker 1>on small carpet swatches and sing songs like rock my Soul.
<v Speaker 1>Before hearing Bible readings, Terry Roberts, I south thought it
<v Speaker 1>was going to be Terry Boley. I was so excited.
<v Speaker 1>But you know that is when you go through research,
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh. Terry Roberts, a seventeen year old Brennan
<v Speaker 1>High School senior, said she goes to the Youth Ranch
<v Speaker 1>because it's a great opportunity for young people to get
<v Speaker 1>together and learn more, not just about the Bible, but
<v Speaker 1>about Christian attitudes as well. In a way we can understand.
<v Speaker 1>I thought Terry was just saved like a couple of
<v Speaker 1>years ago. I know he's always hes claimed to always
<v Speaker 1>getting religious. Yea, it's just like it's just like, uh,
<v Speaker 1>the new that.
<v Speaker 2>You know when he says there's gonna be a new
<v Speaker 2>hult Hogan, right, you know when he comes out and
<v Speaker 2>he's just using chairs and ship the same thing, you
<v Speaker 2>know what it is? She said.
<v Speaker 1>Church is too often preach hell, fire and brimstone, but
<v Speaker 1>the ranchers are learning about love. It's hard to preach
<v Speaker 1>love with the world situation as it is, she said.
<v Speaker 1>Kenneth Little, a seventeen year old East Bay High School junior,
<v Speaker 1>said he always had a tense feeling in church, but
<v Speaker 1>the youth ranches take the starch out of religion. Frank Maybury,
<v Speaker 1>a planned high school senior and varsity football punter, has
<v Speaker 1>been a regular at the Tampa Ranch for four years.
<v Speaker 1>The atmosphere of places refreshing, Frank said, admitting adding rather
<v Speaker 1>that it leaves him with a good feeling. Parents often
<v Speaker 1>support the youth Ranches, especially Superintendent Dory Funk Senior. No kidding,
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, and actual financing depends on donations. Offerings are
<v Speaker 1>not collected at the ranch gatherings. If a is going
<v Speaker 1>to get good. If a community fails to support the
<v Speaker 1>project building a ranch and a salary for the minister,
<v Speaker 1>then the minister himself usually takes on another job to
<v Speaker 1>supplement his salary. Rick Herseg, varsity defense linebacker on Alito
<v Speaker 1>High football team, found out about the Tampa Ranch from
<v Speaker 1>another Alito football player, Paul Curtis, and has attended regularly
<v Speaker 1>for the past three years. I like it because it
<v Speaker 1>offers the truth, Rick said, And teens are looking for
<v Speaker 1>the truth.
<v Speaker 2>Muller, Now, I really don't believe that Terry Balao went
<v Speaker 2>to this thing the truth? Are you kidding me?
<v Speaker 1>Now, so if that might not be true, what is
<v Speaker 1>has to be true as well. Is what he told
<v Speaker 1>the Mercury News in San Jose when WW was coming
<v Speaker 1>there all those years ago for the the Levi Stadium
<v Speaker 1>Santa Clara WrestleMania. He was doing publicity for them, and
<v Speaker 1>they interviewed him. This is back in twenty sixteen, and
<v Speaker 1>he said of his little league days, because of course
<v Speaker 1>that's a stadium that plays host to Major League Baseball games.
<v Speaker 1>He talks about he was an overweight third baseman who
<v Speaker 1>could field nimbly, hit for power, not run a lick,
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff about being a fat kid growing up,
<v Speaker 1>and how he was fat and slow but still could
<v Speaker 1>do well. This is a forty nine ers stadium, not
<v Speaker 1>a baseball stadium, but he says they talk about his
<v Speaker 1>athletic career basically, and he says it. This is where
<v Speaker 1>he says it. Hailed as a twelve time world champion.
<v Speaker 1>Hogan originally the article reads, envisioned himself making news in
<v Speaker 1>another sport. His baseball dreams were no joke. He said
<v Speaker 1>that he was good enough to attract scouts from the
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Reds and New York Yankees.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what it was my life. He said, well,
<v Speaker 2>why can't you You know, he's totally normal and totally
<v Speaker 2>fine and acceptable. He's a truth teller.
<v Speaker 1>That is true of Randy Savage, but not true of Hulcovi.
<v Speaker 2>No, but he's honest. He's on his bullshit.
<v Speaker 1>It's probably the same year, probably the same year Randy died.
<v Speaker 2>He's sure telling this one. Well, what, yeah, was didn't
<v Speaker 2>his book come out in twenty eleven? His second book?
<v Speaker 3>Uh?
<v Speaker 2>His second book? Yeah, I think so.
<v Speaker 1>But this is he doesn't say the Reds in there.
<v Speaker 1>He says the Reds here in twenty sixteen.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see which thing?
<v Speaker 4>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Savage died in twenty eleven.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, if you were, if you were
<v Speaker 1>scouted by the Reds and the Yankees, don't you think
<v Speaker 1>you had mentioned that and both of your books when
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about your little league baseball career at
<v Speaker 1>Oh brother, what are you saying, dude? I'm saying here's
<v Speaker 1>how he said it ended. He suffered a crushing glow.
<v Speaker 1>More worthy of the ring. This article reads, I was
<v Speaker 1>playing third base, bases were loaded, I moved in on
<v Speaker 1>the infield. The guy stepped outside the box and hit
<v Speaker 1>one off the handle and as it dribbled down the
<v Speaker 1>third base line, I ran in. This was the bottom
<v Speaker 1>of the seventh inning and we scored with zero zero
<v Speaker 1>and I picked it up. As I threw under a
<v Speaker 1>I handed a first base, I broke my arm. My
<v Speaker 1>arm was never the same roller. So that was the Uh,
<v Speaker 1>that's how it ended, with a red scout in the audience,
<v Speaker 1>Terry throwing his arm out. That's right, And that's that's
<v Speaker 1>the thing. The on the boys ranch. One thing I
<v Speaker 1>do want to mention something that came up that I
<v Speaker 1>thought was kind of interesting. This is an article that
<v Speaker 1>appeared in the Tampa Tribune in nineteen eighty five about
<v Speaker 1>the ranches in Tampa. I've been reading recent articles on
<v Speaker 1>this a Q and A Style column. I've been reading
<v Speaker 1>the recent articles on wrestling and just wanted to relate
<v Speaker 1>some positive relationships the championship wrestling from Florida and some
<v Speaker 1>carrying people. When I first came to Florida twelve years ago,
<v Speaker 1>I was employed at the Florida School for Boys at Okachobee.
<v Speaker 1>I was previously with the Ohio Youth Commission. My philosophy
<v Speaker 1>has been one to keep youth occupied and reward them
<v Speaker 1>for positive behavior. I searched our communities for resources either
<v Speaker 1>at reduced rates are free. I first contacted mister John
<v Speaker 1>Ringley North through promoted CWF Championship Wrestling from Florida and
<v Speaker 1>West Palm Beach. He agreed to do our bringing. He
<v Speaker 1>agreed to our bringing one cottage of thirty five to
<v Speaker 1>forty youths a week to attend his matches free. That
<v Speaker 1>a reward given for good behavior. I was involved in
<v Speaker 1>that for five years. I was transferred to this great
<v Speaker 1>city of Tampa in nineteen seventy eight, or rather the
<v Speaker 1>Brandon area, in charge of a group treatment home for
<v Speaker 1>a seven bed residential facility. I immediately contacted Jimmy Tanaka
<v Speaker 1>of the CWF here and he arranged my youths and
<v Speaker 1>others in similar situations to attend the matches there. His dad,
<v Speaker 1>Duke was the same when he took over. I had
<v Speaker 1>occasions to talk with mister Gordon solely, and he personally
<v Speaker 1>said he'd lend all help regardless of any opinions on wrestling.
<v Speaker 1>These men have done a great community service. When asked,
<v Speaker 1>I want to express my gratitude to the people I mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>as well as the late Eddy Graham for all he did.
<v Speaker 1>This is the newspaper responding. Our experience has long been
<v Speaker 1>that professional wrestlers are extraordinarily accommodating, as has been the
<v Speaker 1>administration of Championship Wrestling back to the days of founder
<v Speaker 1>Cowboy Latrell. They have been particularly helpful with the disadvantaged
<v Speaker 1>youth of Florida. And no one knows how much time
<v Speaker 1>and money Graham, that is to say Eddie Graham Latrelle
<v Speaker 1>and see WF wrestlers. They said CFW wrestlers contributed to
<v Speaker 1>the Sheriff's Boys Ranch and girls Villa. So another another
<v Speaker 1>potential ground zero for talent recruitment, the Boy's Ranch. And
<v Speaker 1>cal Farley was a Carney, don't forget that. Yes, he
<v Speaker 1>was a wrestler. So this is the upbringing of Terry
<v Speaker 1>bolea Terry in his last years as somebody who doesn't
<v Speaker 1>have the glint in his eye of becoming a pretend
<v Speaker 1>pro wrestler, and thus hasn't begun that transformation from normal
<v Speaker 1>human being to KFA motherflaw. So it's precious, it's limited
<v Speaker 1>this time window, and so it's only appropriate here in
<v Speaker 1>the complete Hull cogin that we spend this extended time
<v Speaker 1>meditating on it, and we spent a lot of time
<v Speaker 1>talking about how Ruth and Pete Bolea raised young Terry
<v Speaker 1>in the backyard with the Tonka trucks working hard in
<v Speaker 1>the sun and the blazing sun.
<v Speaker 2>Playing construction right.
<v Speaker 1>And while we're years and years and decades in fact
<v Speaker 1>away from the passing of Peter and Ruth, Boleya felt
<v Speaker 1>appropriate here to sort of front load on the journey
<v Speaker 1>sure the passing of the parents that we spent a
<v Speaker 1>lot of this episode learning so much about in the
<v Speaker 1>prior episode. Peter died December eighteenth, two thousand and one,
<v Speaker 1>in Hillsborough, Florida. Ruth died December thirty first, two thousand
<v Speaker 1>and ten, in Tampa, at the age of ninety. Peter
<v Speaker 1>was eighty eight when he passed away. And it just
<v Speaker 1>it just has to end this way. It just has
<v Speaker 1>to end this way.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>The shaming of William Gavara began early on a summer
<v Speaker 1>morning at seven thirty am July nine, two thousand and four.
<v Speaker 1>Gavar and his wife Judy were awakened by banging on
<v Speaker 1>their front door.
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy.
<v Speaker 1>Judy went to the door in her robe to find
<v Speaker 1>officers from the Tampa Police Department waiting to arrest her husband.
<v Speaker 1>Officers gave Gavar a little time to dress before handcuffing
<v Speaker 1>him behind his back. They didn't even let me comb
<v Speaker 1>his hair, Judy says two years later, still suffers from
<v Speaker 1>the arrest.
<v Speaker 2>They just like curiosity. Why would they Why would they
<v Speaker 2>let you comb his hair? You know, like a company's
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing. Why do you want to comb his hair?
<v Speaker 2>And there are things to worry about, right, the fact
<v Speaker 2>that he's, you know, getting arrested. Maybe.
<v Speaker 1>As he tries to tell the story, he slumps forward,
<v Speaker 1>his voice breaking, barely able to to a word. Tears
<v Speaker 1>fall from his eyes onto his Guayabera shirt. His wife
<v Speaker 1>must speak for him. Gavara is a small man, sixty
<v Speaker 1>years old, neatly dressed with white hair and a mustache,
<v Speaker 1>immaculately cared for. He doesn't look like a criminal, but
<v Speaker 1>on that July morning, he was treated like a criminal.
<v Speaker 1>His accuser, pro wrestling icon Hulk Hogan oooh in the
<v Speaker 1>Star's eyes, William Gavara, who had cared for years for
<v Speaker 1>Hogan's elderly father and mother, was a thief.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, damn right.
<v Speaker 1>Yet another example of what we said last time. There
<v Speaker 1>ain't no one in Hogan's orbit that he hasn't accused
<v Speaker 1>of stealing money.
<v Speaker 2>From him, right, that's exactly right.
<v Speaker 1>Or merchandise or personal effects or you know.
<v Speaker 2>Wives.
<v Speaker 1>Police charged Gavara with third degree grand theft. They charged
<v Speaker 1>him with it, exploitation of an elderly person, and fraudulent
<v Speaker 1>use of a credit card. It was all a mistake.
<v Speaker 1>William Gavara entered Hulk Coogan's world in nineteen ninety eight.
<v Speaker 1>He and his sons were working as caregivers for elderly people,
<v Speaker 1>running errands, fixing up homes, doing whatever was needed. Hogan,
<v Speaker 1>schaffor and acquaintance of Gaevara, mentioned to him that the
<v Speaker 1>Hulk's father, Pete Bolea, needed a caregiver. Hulk's real name
<v Speaker 1>is Terry Boleya. Pete Blea was in poor health, unable
<v Speaker 1>to move without aid, and lived in South Tampa with
<v Speaker 1>his wife Ruth. Gavara met them and with his two sons,
<v Speaker 1>began working for the couple. His sons were paid fifteen
<v Speaker 1>dollars an hour to care for Pete until his death
<v Speaker 1>on December twenty eight, two thousand and one. William did
<v Speaker 1>not receive any payment for helping Pete. He says Gavara
<v Speaker 1>began working with the elderly thirty years ago in his
<v Speaker 1>native Puerto Rico, carrying on a family tradition that began
<v Speaker 1>with his father and continued with William's sisters, who went
<v Speaker 1>on to own nursing homes in Tampa when he came
<v Speaker 1>to Tampa to live in nineteen ninety five, his second
<v Speaker 1>trip to the States. After working as a farm laborer
<v Speaker 1>in Delaware for four years in the nineteen seventies, he
<v Speaker 1>took jobs with his sisters as needed. He remembers one
<v Speaker 1>moment in particular that convinced him that he had a calling,
<v Speaker 1>a gift from God. A favorite patient died of a
<v Speaker 1>heart attack in his arms, and the experience reaffirmed his
<v Speaker 1>commitment to helping older people. He has usually worked for
<v Speaker 1>little or no money. The thing that people don't understand
<v Speaker 1>is that William is that way. Judy said, He'll do
<v Speaker 1>anything for you without expecting anything in return. His relationship
<v Speaker 1>with Ruth went even further. He not only cared for her,
<v Speaker 1>he came to think of her as part of his family.
<v Speaker 1>He has pictures of Ruth and Pete with his sons
<v Speaker 1>and today when he shows photos. Ruth gave him of herself,
<v Speaker 1>his countenance brightons. She was like a mother to me,
<v Speaker 1>he says. In Spanish, he says he was Ruth's ponno
<v Speaker 1>de la rimas, an expression that means that his was
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder.
<v Speaker 2>She cried on.
<v Speaker 1>Most people who do what I do, they let themselves
<v Speaker 1>be paid.
<v Speaker 2>But I cared.
<v Speaker 1>I only did good for her, Gaevara said, I treated
<v Speaker 1>her better than my own mother. From time to time,
<v Speaker 1>he says, rule absolutely, unless his mom was evil, could happen,
<v Speaker 1>she could happen. I'm glad you clarified. From time to time,
<v Speaker 1>he says, Ruth would give him ten dollars twenty dollars
<v Speaker 1>for gas money. He lives in the Lowry Park neighborhood
<v Speaker 1>in North Tampa. The drive to ruth Belay is how
<v Speaker 1>south of Gandy Boulevard, is not a short run, but
<v Speaker 1>Gavara says he sometimes made the trip three times a
<v Speaker 1>day when Ruth would call for assistance, and she called often.
<v Speaker 1>Judy Gavara said in a written statement prepared for the
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit that her husband took Ruth to doctor's appointments, shopping trips,
<v Speaker 1>visits to friends. He even soaks her feet in EPs
<v Speaker 1>and salts when needed, Judy wrote an in her statement.
<v Speaker 1>According to Gavara's next door neighbor, Juana Mondragon, his willingness
<v Speaker 1>to help without being paid was typical of him. Mondragone eighty,
<v Speaker 1>has known him for seven years and says that Gaevara
<v Speaker 1>bought her groceries and medicines and took her to the
<v Speaker 1>doctor while her son lived out of state. Anything I needed,
<v Speaker 1>he would do for me and never would reproach. Mandragon said,
<v Speaker 1>I would ask him what do I owe you, and
<v Speaker 1>he would say, no, ma'am nothing. He was such a caring, responsible,
<v Speaker 1>honest person. There is no way he could have ever
<v Speaker 1>done what they said he did.
<v Speaker 2>He is a good man.
<v Speaker 1>Hulk Hogan grew up in his parents' modest one thousand,
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy square front home at three one
<v Speaker 1>zero six Paul Avenue, graduating from Robinson High School. The
<v Speaker 1>working class neighborhood south of Gandhy is a far cry
<v Speaker 1>from Hogan's six point four million dollar Bellair mansion, known
<v Speaker 1>to fans of the v H one reality show Hogan
<v Speaker 1>Knows Best, or the twelve million dollar estate in Miami
<v Speaker 1>he purchased in April. Hogan is one of those uniquely
<v Speaker 1>American success stories, falling into professional wrestling just as it
<v Speaker 1>was getting ready to explode from cult oddity to international
<v Speaker 1>entertainment spectacle. He started wrestling in the late nineteen seventies,
<v Speaker 1>but in a meeting with legendary proter Vince mcmahonsenior a
<v Speaker 1>few years later led to his famous moniker and a
<v Speaker 1>spot on the ground floor of the World Rostling Federation,
<v Speaker 1>who worked his way up as both a good guy
<v Speaker 1>and bad guy in wrestling soap opera inspired story lines,
<v Speaker 1>until his blonde mustache, de rag tight t shirts and
<v Speaker 1>six foot eight frame inspired a following of Hulk maniacs
<v Speaker 1>and spots and movies, most memorably in Rocky three and
<v Speaker 1>television shows. He's a well known Tampa Bay fixedture and
<v Speaker 1>a frequent draw at charitable events. He could not be
<v Speaker 1>reached for comment for this story. Hogan moved his mother
<v Speaker 1>from the house on Paul Avenue into a high rise
<v Speaker 1>assisted living facility, Grand Court on Bayshore Boulevard in two
<v Speaker 1>thousand and four. Later that year, he sold his parents'
<v Speaker 1>house for one hundred and forty nine grand He signed
<v Speaker 1>the warranty deed as Terry Bolea. Cavara says he never
<v Speaker 1>had much of a relationship with Hulkogan, seeing him only
<v Speaker 1>occasionally when he would visit Pete in the hospital or
<v Speaker 1>Ruth at her home or in Grand Court. He says
<v Speaker 1>he got the impression that Hogan didn't like him. Stale
<v Speaker 1>Gavar remained devoted to Ruth Bolea for all the favors
<v Speaker 1>he did over the years. Judy Gavara recalls one instance
<v Speaker 1>in which Ruth gave her husband more than just a
<v Speaker 1>few bucks for gas, a four hundred and twenty dollars
<v Speaker 1>check after he helped enclose her car port. Nevertheless, while
<v Speaker 1>Hulk Hogan discovered money was missing from his mother's bank account, he.
<v Speaker 2>Suspected William Cavara. Yes, why did he suspect William Cavara?
<v Speaker 1>Is it because he's a white man brother which he
<v Speaker 1>isn't and took his suspicions to the police. An arrest
<v Speaker 1>report relates that the wrestler turned reality TV star approach
<v Speaker 1>to police on July eighth, two thousand and four, when
<v Speaker 1>Ruth Bullay's bank statements and snapshots of William Gavara. Hogan
<v Speaker 1>told police that according to his mother, the only person
<v Speaker 1>with access to a Bank ATM card was Gavara. When
<v Speaker 1>detectives interviewed Ruth Bullya, she told him the same thing
<v Speaker 1>and confirmed that her ADM card was missing. It is
<v Speaker 1>easy to see from Hogan's perspective why he thought Gavara
<v Speaker 1>might be the culprit. The day after Hogan made his accusations,
<v Speaker 1>the police arrested Gavara and he found himself in the
<v Speaker 1>Orient Road jail facing fell and he charges. In the end,
<v Speaker 1>what cleared Gavara was a simple check of the Bank
<v Speaker 1>ATM surveillance photos. Only after he was arrested and forced
<v Speaker 1>to post bail that detectives obtained the photos from the bank,
<v Speaker 1>photos that showed a young man daring no resemblance to Gavara.
<v Speaker 1>Police reports say Hogan identified a member of his extended
<v Speaker 1>family as the person.
<v Speaker 2>In the bank photographs. No.
<v Speaker 1>Within a few weeks of Gavar's arrest, Ruth Blay assigned
<v Speaker 1>to forum, stating that she did not want the case prosecuted.
<v Speaker 1>By this time, Gavar had spent thousands of dollars and.
<v Speaker 2>Why do we gotta prosecute brother?
<v Speaker 1>We doingth ye terry. They have proof that it was
<v Speaker 1>you know your cousin.
<v Speaker 2>No, I have proof, brother who it was. Don't you
<v Speaker 2>know anything about how the world works?
<v Speaker 4>Mom?
<v Speaker 1>Just because just because contradicting evidence is introduced doesn't mean
<v Speaker 1>you come off your position.
<v Speaker 2>Brother, Mom, do you understand? Dude? Now we're talking about
<v Speaker 2>we're in the age of CGI, right, So how do
<v Speaker 2>we know this wasn't doctored?
<v Speaker 3>Brother?
<v Speaker 2>How we know that they didn't just put somebody else
<v Speaker 2>in there?
<v Speaker 3>Dude?
<v Speaker 1>Does it remain true that he was the only person
<v Speaker 1>you knew that had access to the ATM.
<v Speaker 2>Brother, Ruth, you gotta prosecute, and you gotta persecute. Come on, man,
<v Speaker 2>his mom, are you ready to tell me? Tell me, Ruth?
<v Speaker 2>Are you ready to prosecute with me? Brother? By this time? Terry? Whatever?
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much, that's pretty much. It seems like what happened
<v Speaker 1>because she reversed herself. Gevera spent Yeah, maybe it was
<v Speaker 1>Bubba extended family.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was Bubba. That's true. What's that pan, Terry?
<v Speaker 1>What's that pen? It's asking for a four digit pan?
<v Speaker 1>Terry Gavar had spent thousands of dollars in bail in
<v Speaker 1>attorney's fees, but he'd been finally released from suspicion. For
<v Speaker 1>most people, that might have been enough, but Gavara felt
<v Speaker 1>that his name had been stained, that his friendship with
<v Speaker 1>Ruth had been ripped apart, and his world turned upside
<v Speaker 1>down for no good reason. So we got a new lawyer,
<v Speaker 1>and he sued the city of Tampa for false arrest
<v Speaker 1>and wrongful prosecution. It's not clear from police reports just
<v Speaker 1>how much Ruth Bellair realized what was going on in
<v Speaker 1>the investigation. Gavara says she would go in and out
<v Speaker 1>of remembering that he had been arrested. Recordings of numerous
<v Speaker 1>voicemails Ruth left after the arrest bear out Gavara's assessment,
<v Speaker 1>portraying a clearly confused and forgetful lady four year old woman.
<v Speaker 1>Even as the Gavaras were pursuing the lawsuit, Ruth left
<v Speaker 1>dozens of messages on William's answering machine, William, where in the.
<v Speaker 2>Hell are you you? Wow?
<v Speaker 1>Ruth said on one message that the gavar has kept
<v Speaker 1>you and Judy were supposed to be over here helping me.
<v Speaker 1>I need your help, guys. I hope that you come.
<v Speaker 1>I know y'all think I'm nuts, and I am unless
<v Speaker 1>I hear from you, bye wow. The Gavar has turned
<v Speaker 1>to David Frash, a Tempa lawyer with experience both as
<v Speaker 1>a practice prosecutor and a criminal defender. Frash had also
<v Speaker 1>served for ten years as legal counsel to the Hillsbury
<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff's Office, which incidentally was the office I believe
<v Speaker 1>Brian Blair was elected to in his short lived political
<v Speaker 1>guard defending officer from exactly the kind of false charges
<v Speaker 1>arrests that the Gavar has wanted a file, he said,
<v Speaker 1>the police investigation with Shaddy, what's worse, the arrest of
<v Speaker 1>Gavara just made no sense given his longtime devotion to
<v Speaker 1>Ruth Hogan. Gavara is the longtime caregiver forrosh said, So
<v Speaker 1>then they just bag him for a huge felony, way
<v Speaker 1>more than the evidence they have, and without any real investigation.
<v Speaker 1>They assigned someone who did a real, superficial investigation in this.
<v Speaker 1>Supporting Farash's conclusion is the fact that detectives alleged that
<v Speaker 1>Gavara stole more than twenty five grand from Hogan, even
<v Speaker 1>though there was no evidence that a mount had been
<v Speaker 1>removed from her bank account. I don't know why they
<v Speaker 1>call her Hogan there and a police report dated July fifteenth,
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four, detectives wrote that Hogan told them
<v Speaker 1>he found ten seven hundred and forty five dollars worth
<v Speaker 1>of unauthorized withdrawals from his mother's bank account earlier in
<v Speaker 1>that month, and one account of Guara's arrest.
<v Speaker 2>However, detectives up to.
<v Speaker 1>That amount, writing it could be a sum of twenty
<v Speaker 1>five thousand that had been removed over a prier time.
<v Speaker 2>Brother.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, one of the things do you
<v Speaker 1>learn in the business, dude, is if you say ten
<v Speaker 1>grand and no one bats an eye? What happens if
<v Speaker 1>you say twenty five grand the next time, dude, especially
<v Speaker 1>if that kicks it from a misdemeanor to a felony.
<v Speaker 3>Brother.
<v Speaker 1>The arrest report, signed by Detective Peter Orlinsky, likewise, was
<v Speaker 1>fuzzy about the exact amount allegedly stolen.
<v Speaker 2>How can you not tell?
<v Speaker 1>Just look at the fucking bank account, putting it as
<v Speaker 1>much as twenty five thousand end quotes. The police reports
<v Speaker 1>confirmed that it was only after Gavara was arrested and
<v Speaker 1>transported to the jail that the bank pictures were ordered
<v Speaker 1>from the Bank of America, where most of the transactions
<v Speaker 1>took place. If they had been requested before the arrest,
<v Speaker 1>it is doubtful that Gavarro would have been thrown in jail.
<v Speaker 1>For USh said the inadequate police work described in the
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit could have been avoided. It quote was a case
<v Speaker 1>that should have been assigned to a white car detective
<v Speaker 1>with more experience at complicated fraud cases. Fresh said the
<v Speaker 1>detective who investigated the case quote had no submissible evidence
<v Speaker 1>of anything beyond a few small withdrawals. Tampa Police's media
<v Speaker 1>relation specialist Andrea Davis said no internal affairs cases had
<v Speaker 1>been opened on the detective in charge of Gavera's case
<v Speaker 1>and declined to comment further, citing the ongoing lawsuit. Gavera
<v Speaker 1>had acknowledged to police that he withdrew money on a
<v Speaker 1>few occasions for the legally blind Ruth Bolla to get
<v Speaker 1>her some cash or to run to the drug store
<v Speaker 1>for her, but it was on two or three occasions
<v Speaker 1>and with her permission and direction. Gebara insists were Tampa
<v Speaker 1>Police detectives and cow towing to the Hulkster Starr struck
<v Speaker 1>an eager to please the pro wrestling icon. For Ash
<v Speaker 1>said he doubts it. I've seen them do terrible investigations
<v Speaker 1>to the people who were not stars, he said, great
<v Speaker 1>line from the lawyer there greatly. There is no doubt, however,
<v Speaker 1>that police and prosecutors were acutely aware of who Ruth
<v Speaker 1>Blaya's son was. He sent autographed photos of himself to
<v Speaker 1>the Tampa police after the arrests From with that courte
<v Speaker 1>records show that the city admits Ulkogan sent the pictures,
<v Speaker 1>but maintained.
<v Speaker 2>Did he also did he send Vienna sausages? But sure.
<v Speaker 1>The police say they did get the pictures, but they
<v Speaker 1>were quote unsolicited and unrequested. What Terry Bulaas sent autograph
<v Speaker 1>pictures as a little wink wink, nudge nudge, even if
<v Speaker 1>not asked, I don't I don't know roller. A State
<v Speaker 1>Attorney's Office report on the case likewise identifies the celebrity
<v Speaker 1>nature of the matter, with victims son Hulk Hogan written
<v Speaker 1>in mark across the bottom of one case document with
<v Speaker 1>fresh on board. The Gavares sued the city of Tampa
<v Speaker 1>and Olinsky personally September fourteenth, two thousand and five, for
<v Speaker 1>false arrest and malicious prosecution. The Tampa Tribune reported briefly
<v Speaker 1>on the suit. The lawsuit, however, was doomed from the start,
<v Speaker 1>as it turned out Olinsky had sought and received an
<v Speaker 1>arrest warrant from a judge. Judges don't have time to
<v Speaker 1>review the whole case and cross examine the detectives. In
<v Speaker 1>such instances, they kind of trust the detectives. Frosh explained,
<v Speaker 1>once the police department had pained the warrant, it gained
<v Speaker 1>immunity against being sued for false arrest. That left only
<v Speaker 1>the malicious prosecution count, which is harder to prove then
<v Speaker 1>win than a false arrest case. What's more, even Farash
<v Speaker 1>concluded that the detective wasn't malicious, he just didn't do
<v Speaker 1>a good job. Ah Hillsbury Circuit Judge Marvin Crenshaw dismissed
<v Speaker 1>the complaint jenerary this year and gave the Gavera's twenty
<v Speaker 1>days to amend and file their suit. They haven't done that,
<v Speaker 1>and Farash is withdrawn from the case. Court documents cite
<v Speaker 1>irreconciple differences, and the Gavaras have not been able to
<v Speaker 1>find another attorney. I've talked about twenty lawyers and they
<v Speaker 1>all tell us William didn't suffer enough, he didn't die.
<v Speaker 1>Judy said, they tell us that there isn't enough money
<v Speaker 1>for it to be worth their time. Though he withdrew
<v Speaker 1>from the case, Frash remains puzzled that the City of
<v Speaker 1>Tampa didn't least settle the case on moral grounds enough
<v Speaker 1>to reimburse the Gavera's the thousands of dollars they spent
<v Speaker 1>on bail in a criminal attorney. Fash that the Tampa
<v Speaker 1>Police Department is the only law enforcement agency in the
<v Speaker 1>area that takes the hardline stance that as long as
<v Speaker 1>a warrant was obtained, no settlement will be considered. They
<v Speaker 1>are the only government agency that does this. Frash said,
<v Speaker 1>if they were the Sheriff's office, I would have agreed
<v Speaker 1>that these people get some money. The city's Police Department
<v Speaker 1>Council disagrees, are tributing Farash's opinion to the wishful thinking
<v Speaker 1>of a plaintiffs attorney who had more such cases he
<v Speaker 1>will want to settle in the future. If a judge
<v Speaker 1>issues an arrest warrant, the judge has himself determined that
<v Speaker 1>there is probable cause for an arrests at Assistant State
<v Speaker 1>Attorney Kirby Reinsburger by definition, the law enforcement agency hasn't
<v Speaker 1>done anything wrong. We would never pay a nickel for that.
<v Speaker 1>The Gavars live a simple life. Their bright yellow home
<v Speaker 1>and lowry park is a testament to William's handyman skills.
<v Speaker 1>He's redoing a utility room, hanging drywall and putting in
<v Speaker 1>tiling himself, but he is still feeling the effects of
<v Speaker 1>being wrongly accused. He is angry with police, he is
<v Speaker 1>angry with Hulkgan, and he's not the same man he
<v Speaker 1>used to be. Judy says mentally and emotionally, he is spent.
<v Speaker 1>The Gavara's lawsuit expresses the damage to Gavara in terms
<v Speaker 1>of lost ability to work as a caregiver and loss
<v Speaker 1>of consortium with his wife. For William, the suit isn't
<v Speaker 1>about financial reward. He just wants an apology, a formal
<v Speaker 1>vindication after all that has happened, he says in Spanish.
<v Speaker 1>They haven't even had the decency to say they're sorry.
<v Speaker 1>Makes me emotional. My life, my spirit feels lower. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sick in my nerves, I cry, Gavara said, I guess
<v Speaker 1>this will just be another drug on amar go sour
<v Speaker 1>drink in my life. What can I do now but
<v Speaker 1>believe in God and tried to live the rest of
<v Speaker 1>the life I have left Jesus Christ All Cogan didn't
<v Speaker 1>have the decency to say they're.
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, get out of town.
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps a trend. So yes, they did sell the house.
<v Speaker 1>They did sell the incredibly modest home that Ruth Bulla
<v Speaker 1>reared her two boys in and shot w CW promos
<v Speaker 1>in and some guy bought it and kind of opened
<v Speaker 1>himself up to the media to talk about what it
<v Speaker 1>meant to acquire hul Cogn's house and even meet Hulkgan
<v Speaker 1>briefly as he came by during the course of the
<v Speaker 1>sale of the house. That reared the bolas, was that
<v Speaker 1>another Terry Bolayer roll up there?
<v Speaker 2>And that was some vincior quarters fucking I say, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know where they fucking came from.
<v Speaker 15>No doubt Cogan had an impact all across the Tampa
<v Speaker 15>Bay area. Spreads from here in North Clearwater Beach all
<v Speaker 15>across the Bay to Tampa. He was born and raised
<v Speaker 15>Terry Belaya, raised in Tampa. Grew up in a neighborhood
<v Speaker 15>just south of Gandhy and that's where we find our
<v Speaker 15>ten Tampa Bay News reporter Jennifer Titus with more where
<v Speaker 15>jen neighbors still today. Remember Terry Belaya as the kid,
<v Speaker 15>not the wrestler.
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, yeah, Dave exactly.
<v Speaker 16>This is the place that he grew up. This is
<v Speaker 16>where he called home. That wasn't until he graduated high school,
<v Speaker 16>but he visited this neighborhood often. That was until two
<v Speaker 16>thousand and four when his mom sold his childhood home.
<v Speaker 7>There.
<v Speaker 17>The man who lives in there now is the one
<v Speaker 17>who bought it, and we got an exclusive tour.
<v Speaker 14>Here was the room that he and his brother lived.
<v Speaker 17>In, a room where two six foot four brothers would
<v Speaker 17>lay their heads just down the hole from their parents' bedroom.
<v Speaker 14>When I bought the house, he was his mother's attorney
<v Speaker 14>in fat so I met him at the closing.
<v Speaker 17>Stephen Huntley Robertson didn't know the history inside these walls
<v Speaker 17>until that day in two thousand and four.
<v Speaker 14>Then, obviously there are knocks on the doors to start saying,
<v Speaker 14>do you know who lived here?
<v Speaker 7>And a few years later this photo taken of him
<v Speaker 7>and Hogan after the family filmed an episode of his
<v Speaker 7>reality show Hogan Knows Best.
<v Speaker 15>Humble you know, very.
<v Speaker 2>Like I say, down to Earth.
<v Speaker 7>And that humble man would drive by occasionally over the years.
<v Speaker 14>He drove like a car to the very distinctive engine,
<v Speaker 14>and I'd hear it every so often and run to
<v Speaker 14>the window and he'd be, you know, driving by slowly
<v Speaker 14>to take a look at the house. So it cleolly
<v Speaker 14>meant something to him, the.
<v Speaker 7>House meaning even more now to Steven.
<v Speaker 2>It's quite sad, isn't it. We use a top institution, a.
<v Speaker 17>Drew Tampa institution, and just really the guy who these
<v Speaker 17>people in this neighborhood remember as the kid playing neighborhood Dave,
<v Speaker 17>the kid that called this side of the bay home.
<v Speaker 2>Kind of weird Holt driving by, Yeah, that's just fucking weird.
<v Speaker 2>Like to know his the sound of his vehicle and
<v Speaker 2>shipping like a brother. The brother's coming in, brother, right,
<v Speaker 2>are we doing the house? Dude? Fucking what I'm outside, brother,
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching what what? What? What are you cooking? Looks
<v Speaker 2>like you're in the kitchen?
<v Speaker 3>Brother?
<v Speaker 2>You got you doing minutes? Take brother, he's lying. That's good.
<v Speaker 1>You got anyone sleeping on the floor, dude, to keep
<v Speaker 1>to keep that authentic feel.
<v Speaker 2>You got my brother Allen in there, dude.
<v Speaker 1>He did have something buried in the yard. But it
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Alan. Do you know what it was?
<v Speaker 2>Conquer truck?
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh? From Hulk's book That's Spring of two thousand
<v Speaker 1>and seven. In the last days of filming our final
<v Speaker 1>season of Hogan Knows Best, the whole family made a
<v Speaker 1>trip back to the Big House in clear Water. Almost
<v Speaker 1>as soon as we arrived, the production company insisted that
<v Speaker 1>we take a ride over to visit the house that
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in. I guess they had already cleared
<v Speaker 1>up with the guy who owns the place now, because
<v Speaker 1>he was waiting on us when we pulled into the driveway.
<v Speaker 1>Was so strange to drive into poor Tampa and see
<v Speaker 1>those old brick roads, to drive past houses of old
<v Speaker 1>friends and enemies and girls. I wish I'd have the
<v Speaker 1>nerve to kiss. It was the first time I'd been
<v Speaker 1>back since right after my dad died in twenty one,
<v Speaker 1>and my perspective on the whole place was just so
<v Speaker 1>different now. Some of the houses looked exactly the same,
<v Speaker 1>even after all those years.
<v Speaker 2>Not mine.
<v Speaker 1>That little square house I grew up in had a
<v Speaker 1>big extension off the back, which at least doubled its size,
<v Speaker 1>but you could see the shape of what the house
<v Speaker 1>used to be when you looked at it straight on
<v Speaker 1>from the front.
<v Speaker 2>Can I offer.
<v Speaker 1>That as representative of Hulkog and himself?
<v Speaker 2>Huh?
<v Speaker 1>He doubled in size, but you could see the shape
<v Speaker 1>of what the house used to be when you looked
<v Speaker 1>at it straight from the front. Yes, honestly, it seemed
<v Speaker 1>smaller than ever to me that day. When I walked
<v Speaker 1>into the kitchen, it looked like some kind of fancy bestro.
<v Speaker 1>The new owner had installed a stainless steel stove with
<v Speaker 1>one of those fancy air vents, and had a plate
<v Speaker 1>on the counter filled with corks from all the red
<v Speaker 1>wine he liked to drink. There are beautiful hardwood floors.
<v Speaker 1>Nothing about the place was the same. It was shocking
<v Speaker 1>that a place that small could turn out so beautifully.
<v Speaker 1>The owner, it's really nice guy, who was probably about
<v Speaker 1>forty said he had something for me.
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden. I really thought, I really thought
<v Speaker 2>that you were going to say his height. I thought
<v Speaker 2>you were going to say he was like the guy
<v Speaker 2>was about four foot ten, oh yeah, probably about forty inches.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, said he had something for me. All of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, he pulled out this little die cast truck,
<v Speaker 1>a toy tail. I recognized that truck. It was mine.
<v Speaker 1>It was a real weird feeling, and it hit me
<v Speaker 1>so off center. I had driven over that day with
<v Speaker 1>Linda and my mom and the kids in the car.
<v Speaker 2>You have been amazing, You're an amazing If he took
<v Speaker 2>if he took the truck all right, and in the
<v Speaker 2>truck there was a little pebble, he just all right,
<v Speaker 2>and he just he just looked at the guy. He
<v Speaker 2>looked at the guy and does it without saving the guy.
<v Speaker 2>Look at the guy. He doesn't say anything, just takes
<v Speaker 2>the pebble, puts it up his nose and just sticks
<v Speaker 2>it way up there, and he just goes. He walks away.
<v Speaker 1>That's how my movie ends. It's not how the complete
<v Speaker 1>Hull Cogain ends, however.
<v Speaker 2>Well, and then he says like he does, like wavy arms,
<v Speaker 2>and he walks away.
<v Speaker 1>I had driven over that day with Linda and my
<v Speaker 1>mom and the kids in the car. My mom didn't
<v Speaker 1>want to go in the house. She's mostly blind now,
<v Speaker 1>couldn't really see it anyway, but she didn't want to
<v Speaker 1>come in for some reason. I think it made her sad.
<v Speaker 1>And all I was thinking about as I walked into
<v Speaker 1>that house was how fed up I was with Linda's complaining.
<v Speaker 1>Then all of a sudden, this guy. Then, all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, this guy handed me this little truck. He
<v Speaker 1>said he was doing some gardening and he found it
<v Speaker 1>buried in the dirt. I remember that dirt.
<v Speaker 3>It was black.
<v Speaker 2>That wouldn't be the first thing that Hogan buried in
<v Speaker 2>the dirt. The last would be the last Thinggan buried
<v Speaker 2>in the dirt.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got a lot of burials under his belt,
<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. I remembered that dirt. It was black
<v Speaker 1>and hot. I used to play in that dirt all
<v Speaker 1>the time with my big yellow Tonka truck and this.
<v Speaker 2>Little blue tan It was a black one. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know.
<v Speaker 1>And here I was here. It was after all the
<v Speaker 1>thirty or forty years had been buried. The pain had
<v Speaker 1>faded almost entirely, and it was all pinkish white underneath.
<v Speaker 1>I thought about being a kid in that house, how
<v Speaker 1>I'd play in the back and stuff rocks up my nose.
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't say, he absolutely says it. I remembered how
<v Speaker 1>awesome it was just to sit in that dirt without
<v Speaker 1>a care in the world, and how happy I was
<v Speaker 1>back then. I was happy in that moment too, to
<v Speaker 1>be out of that car and in a situation where
<v Speaker 1>Linda was forced to stop her complaining, do we have
<v Speaker 1>to do this? Oh Jesus Christ, what the hell are
<v Speaker 1>they going to do with this storyline?
<v Speaker 2>What are we doing now? Terry fucking Terry? Oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>Terry ah ah Oh fuck man? Why I could be
<v Speaker 2>on Wolsher Boulevard right now? Do you know that I
<v Speaker 2>could be in Beverly Hills. I could have a hot
<v Speaker 2>guy eating my fucking pussy right now, Charlie Hill, Why
<v Speaker 2>are we here?
<v Speaker 1>Why she could have a hot guy eating her pussy.
<v Speaker 1>That's a great point. Put it that way. Let's get
<v Speaker 1>out of here, holding that holding that little truck. Just
<v Speaker 1>switch gears on me emotionally. Half of my father's ashes
<v Speaker 1>were spread in the backyard there, under the grapefruit and
<v Speaker 1>tangella trees that he loves so much. My dad hated
<v Speaker 1>staying indoors almost as much as my mom hated the
<v Speaker 1>Florida heat, so she'd stay indoors and run the air
<v Speaker 1>conditioner all day.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What now? They hated the fuck?
<v Speaker 2>Why did they live there? Why if the heat was hated.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great question.
<v Speaker 1>And while he says she has air conditioning there, earlier
<v Speaker 1>in the book he says that when they were kids
<v Speaker 1>they did not, and that they had they had the
<v Speaker 1>fan up. Well windows, she got a window unit, yeah
<v Speaker 1>she could, or that after he becomes Hulk fucking Hogan,
<v Speaker 1>that's for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not going I'm Ruth, I'm up. I'm up
<v Speaker 2>buying a fucking like you know. I'm not giving you
<v Speaker 2>a central air. I will give you a small unit though,
<v Speaker 2>just call a window unit. I'll get your small window unit,
<v Speaker 2>all right, brother? Can you call me mom? Why do
<v Speaker 2>you call me Ruth? And brother? I'll tell you what.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why i'm a little oh well, because
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you. I just want to because I'll tell
<v Speaker 2>you right now. You know, if you notice I'm not
<v Speaker 2>in my house, I'm out of the house. So if
<v Speaker 2>I'm out of the house, I'm you know, Terry Bulett
<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist out here. This is whole Cogan. Wow, So
<v Speaker 2>hul Hogan's here, brother, And so I don't you know
<v Speaker 2>you're not Hulk Hogan's mom. I don't know who you
<v Speaker 2>are actually, So why don't you just fucking take the
<v Speaker 2>window unit and get the fuck out of my face.
<v Speaker 1>Are you hulk Hogan's mom? Well, it depends what you mean, Terry.
<v Speaker 2>Well, well maybe you should sit down for this one. Hey, Terry, Well, nope,
<v Speaker 2>not here. Oh who's that? Oh your hulk today? I
<v Speaker 2>get it, brother, I'm out of the house, inside my house.
<v Speaker 2>I'm it's terrible. Sto'm stop once I get off the
<v Speaker 2>stewp brother. I'm nothold brother, So I don't know how
<v Speaker 2>much longer I'm not have to fucking explain this to
<v Speaker 2>your root. He's so sick of it, and I don't
<v Speaker 2>blame him. Just stop being a bitch.
<v Speaker 1>She'd stay indoors and run the air conditioner all day. Well,
<v Speaker 1>my dad stayed out in that backyard from sun up
<v Speaker 1>to sundown. They found a way to make their marriage
<v Speaker 1>work in that tiny house with no money at all.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't. They were fucking off. They walled themselves
<v Speaker 2>off from each other. She was inside, he was outside.
<v Speaker 1>They were on the same property. Though now part there
<v Speaker 1>we go. Now, part of was there forever under those
<v Speaker 1>trees that made him so proud, while the rest of
<v Speaker 1>him might scattered out in the gulf of Mexico, knowing
<v Speaker 1>how much he always loved the water. I felt sick
<v Speaker 1>to my stomach as I got back in the car.
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to stay lost in happy childhood memories forever.
<v Speaker 1>There had to be some way that we could be
<v Speaker 1>happy again.
<v Speaker 2>There just had to be.
<v Speaker 1>As the sixties progressed, suddenly Hulkogan goes from appearing in
<v Speaker 1>the local press for his little league exploits to appearing
<v Speaker 1>in the local press for his musical exploits before he's
<v Speaker 1>even out of high school. If you can open up
<v Speaker 1>what I just sent you by Oh Boy nineteen sixty nine,
<v Speaker 1>to be exact, we get the first whiff in the
<v Speaker 1>Tampa area newspapers that Hulkogan is now a bassist. Hulkogan
<v Speaker 1>is now a music man.
<v Speaker 2>It's funny. He's a bassist and he's a racist. What
<v Speaker 2>do you know they do? Which Bradenton Bradenton Brother braidenton.
<v Speaker 3>Uh?
<v Speaker 2>But which herd. There's like it's a whole page of
<v Speaker 2>things right.
<v Speaker 1>Off to the left there Infinity's End. You see hull
<v Speaker 1>Cogan's face right there.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see there it is, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And the band is called Infinity's End.
<v Speaker 2>New Infinities End will flourish Big Beat for Manatee County Youth.
<v Speaker 2>The New Infinities End will furnish the Big Beat for
<v Speaker 2>dancing at the Youth Center of Manatee County from eight
<v Speaker 2>to eleven o'clock this Saturday night. One word describes the
<v Speaker 2>new look and sound of Infinities of Infinities End Big.
<v Speaker 2>The big look of this Tampa group means five playing bass, guitar, trumpet, drums,
<v Speaker 2>lead guitar, organ and lead singer. The big look means light,
<v Speaker 2>black light, black straw on the beat, Strobe I think
<v Speaker 2>maybe Strobe is without a knee on the beat and
<v Speaker 2>psychedelic slides okay. The Big sound means more music power
<v Speaker 2>with bigger amps and the up to date songs of
<v Speaker 2>Iron Butterfly, Fudge Cream, Creeden's clear Water along with current
<v Speaker 2>pop and the rock generation favorites of the Rascals and others.
<v Speaker 2>It all ends adds up to a big happening for
<v Speaker 2>all who can make it at the Youth Center of
<v Speaker 2>Manatee County. Check Yoakum is the lead singer, Mike Barris
<v Speaker 2>bass guitar and trumpet, Terry Balaya lead guitar, John Phillips drums,
<v Speaker 2>and Gary Barris or Gary Barrs Gary Barris on organ
<v Speaker 2>and guitar are the boys that are behind the big
<v Speaker 2>looking sound gate. Fee will be fifty cents for members
<v Speaker 2>and one dollar for out of county guests. Dress will
<v Speaker 2>be casual, with no bare feet, seethrows, cutoffs, or short
<v Speaker 2>shorts being allowed. No one may leave the building before
<v Speaker 2>the closing hour, loved, No one may leave the building.
<v Speaker 2>That can't be legal, It's not. No one can enter
<v Speaker 2>after a certain time. No one So much for the
<v Speaker 2>constitution freedoms aretail curtailed here At the Youth Center, students
<v Speaker 2>who have passed from the seventh grades into the eighth grades,
<v Speaker 2>the multiple seventh grades, oh yeah, and the multiple eighth
<v Speaker 2>grades are eligible to attend to the center and membership
<v Speaker 2>is offered to these students at a reduced price of
<v Speaker 2>one dollar. Membership cards will expire October first. Chaperones are
<v Speaker 2>needed at the center and parents are asked asked with
<v Speaker 2>two s's by the way, asked as kissed. Also chaperone's
<v Speaker 2>with no E. Chaperons are at the center and parents
<v Speaker 2>are asked to contact the chaperon Chairman, Missus Matthew H.
<v Speaker 2>Brown or Missus Jeanette Hyder, Director it's fucking tremendous. I agree.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's so great. Look at him Infinity's end.
<v Speaker 2>What do you see? Do you still see big headed?
<v Speaker 4>Oh?
<v Speaker 1>Or is he becoming something cooler?
<v Speaker 3>Uh?
<v Speaker 2>No, he looks a little more mature. He looks a
<v Speaker 2>little more I mean, his hair is still inappropriate, but
<v Speaker 2>he's uh, you know, he looks a little he looks
<v Speaker 2>like a teenager. But it's it's really amazing to me
<v Speaker 2>how round his face really is, because he does not
<v Speaker 2>have a round face. You know, when you think of
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan, it's like you think of a square jaw.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely true. So the narrative starting to shift on
<v Speaker 1>the lanes Hulkgan or Terry Boleo, we should say. Still
<v Speaker 1>he's traveling in and now he's picking up the guitar,
<v Speaker 1>and he's making his way into the clubs, and it's
<v Speaker 1>there that he starts to get noticed by professional wrestlers
<v Speaker 1>in and around Florida.
<v Speaker 2>It's in that kind of that's funny. It's funny because
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't look that big. No, not in this picture,
<v Speaker 2>but in others he does, other band pictures. He looks
<v Speaker 2>like an absolute giant, I mean, but like like muscular giant,
<v Speaker 2>because he looked kind of just lanky in that photo.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he he is lanky. I mean he's he's
<v Speaker 1>a tall. He's a tall motherfucker.
<v Speaker 2>He's like arms are long and legs are like. Again,
<v Speaker 2>you look at his at his WCW days, especially his
<v Speaker 2>early ones, he's very like his his his body is
<v Speaker 2>just so long, long limbs and things. Yeah, he doesn't
<v Speaker 2>have well, you know what he has. He has the
<v Speaker 2>body that tells you what he's gonna look like in WCW. Right, exactly,
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. That's exactly right.
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't have the body that's going to tell you
<v Speaker 1>what he's gonna look like in WWF quite.
<v Speaker 2>Yet, No, not at all.
<v Speaker 1>But this is such a significant change for Terry Boleya
<v Speaker 1>because it's once he starts working the clubs in and
<v Speaker 1>around the area and playing music, that he starts coming
<v Speaker 1>in much more direct contact with the professional wrestlers who
<v Speaker 1>would come in and you know, look looking for place
<v Speaker 1>to drink after the matches, looking for place to listen
<v Speaker 1>to music after the matches, And Hulk's getting booked with
<v Speaker 1>these bands all over clubs in Tampa, and he's getting
<v Speaker 1>on people's radars and he's getting noticed for his size
<v Speaker 1>by promoters who are involved, like you know, a Jerry
<v Speaker 1>Briscoe or the Grahams or others who would be out
<v Speaker 1>and about, always in the back of their mind thinking,
<v Speaker 1>you know, can I can we recruit some talent here perhaps,
<v Speaker 1>And it's also you know, superstar Billy Graham would come
<v Speaker 1>through this circuit and that's where they talk about using
<v Speaker 1>steroids and how to do it. And at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>Bolea has already started to go to the matches at
<v Speaker 1>the in the TV tapings at the Sportatorium in Tampa
<v Speaker 1>and the Fort Hesterley. He's already a known presence at
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the Florida wrestling matches, and he's already
<v Speaker 1>developing a proclivity for being a spectator and a fan
<v Speaker 1>and making no secret to the fact by hanging around
<v Speaker 1>and basically loitering around these shows that he wants to
<v Speaker 1>break into wrestling. He wants to know what it would take.
<v Speaker 1>Across Tampa at Leslie, his old little league contemporary, is
<v Speaker 1>reaching a different stage in his maturation as well, and
<v Speaker 1>he's becoming obsessed in his own bubble with professional wrestling,
<v Speaker 1>and one day he asks his older sister to please
<v Speaker 1>take him down to the Tampa Sportatorium where they taped
<v Speaker 1>the Championship Wrestling from Florida weekly show in the studio
<v Speaker 1>setting every Wednesday morning or afternoon. It was, and it
<v Speaker 1>was kind of thing if you heard about it advertised
<v Speaker 1>on television and you could find a way to maybe
<v Speaker 1>play hooky like claimed he do, to get over there
<v Speaker 1>and attend the tapings. You could be one of the
<v Speaker 1>select few to see the magic made in the angle shot.
<v Speaker 1>And in his book Ed Leslie recalls this, When my
<v Speaker 1>sister was done torturing me, we finally made it to
<v Speaker 1>this sportatorium. She was bullying him as an older sibling,
<v Speaker 1>but she was kind enough to take him to the
<v Speaker 1>matches when he asked her. I remember stepping out of
<v Speaker 1>the car, slightly dizzy and slamming the door. I ran
<v Speaker 1>to the now long line of people in front of
<v Speaker 1>me and started counting them in my head, trying to
<v Speaker 1>do the math to see if I would be getting in.
<v Speaker 1>As I was counting people, I noticed that one head
<v Speaker 1>near my spot and line was sticking up.
<v Speaker 2>Way above the rest. Oh.
<v Speaker 1>I recognized that head. I had seen it some sitting
<v Speaker 1>at the armory on Tuesday nights, and also long ago
<v Speaker 1>back on the field, it was some kid named Terry
<v Speaker 1>Molea aka the Little League Legend. Terry was bigger than ever.
<v Speaker 1>He ate more than the average teenager. His typical breakfast
<v Speaker 1>could include ten eggs, a pound of Hamburger meat in
<v Speaker 1>a quart of orange juice, all the protein and vitamin
<v Speaker 1>C needed for a giant growing boy. At this point,
<v Speaker 1>Terry was probably about nineteen and farsince graduated from our
<v Speaker 1>baseball days. He was driving, so he pretty much seemed
<v Speaker 1>like an adult to me. He was playing in a
<v Speaker 1>band and seemed way cool seeing him in person with
<v Speaker 1>something else For a young guy like me, Like Jesse's brother,
<v Speaker 1>I even more so wanted to be like Terry. I
<v Speaker 1>walked up to him. He was much taller than I
<v Speaker 1>had remembered, and even bigger. He reached six seven by
<v Speaker 1>the end of his senior year of high school and
<v Speaker 1>tipped the scales at three hundred pounds. Now, seeing him
<v Speaker 1>again a year or so later, he looked even bigger.
<v Speaker 1>It was obvious to me that he was hitting the
<v Speaker 1>gym now instead of just hitting a baseball. Hey man,
<v Speaker 1>I said to him, trying to make small talk. See
<v Speaker 1>you at some of the shows. He nodded. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know you were in a wrestling I said to the
<v Speaker 1>guy in the line, who looked bigger than half of
<v Speaker 1>the wrestlers we were about to see. That's okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, dude, he said, trying not to look as
<v Speaker 1>excited as I did. As we waited, I told him,
<v Speaker 1>I admitted that I always liked brother.
<v Speaker 2>You know it's fake. It's the wrong idea. Brother. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>if you don't talk to me, I need to know that.
<v Speaker 2>You know it's not real, dude. You know it's work, right, dude,
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, just fucking crushing it right away. What
<v Speaker 2>a thing.
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's not it's it's the senior in high school, Terry,
<v Speaker 1>the one you see right there in that.
<v Speaker 2>But of the infinities end, Infinity's end, every every new
<v Speaker 2>beginning comes from some other infinity's end. From what I've
<v Speaker 2>very good point. That's what the rumor is.
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, As we waited, I told him admitted that I
<v Speaker 1>always liked watching him play ball. I like the way
<v Speaker 1>he just kicked everyone's ass no matter what the parents said.
<v Speaker 1>He seemed to like the compliment. We talked more about baseball,
<v Speaker 1>and then about some of our favorite wrestling stories. Our
<v Speaker 1>conversation was cut short the line started to move.
<v Speaker 2>Listen ed.
<v Speaker 1>He said, nice talking to you. A bunch of us
<v Speaker 1>are going to the beach tomorrow about ten o'clock. Why
<v Speaker 1>don't you come by hang out?
<v Speaker 2>Awesome? You want to hang him bang, dude.
<v Speaker 1>You'd be pretty cool to hang out with him and
<v Speaker 1>the guys. Sure thing, I said, and trying to look cooler,
<v Speaker 1>I mean sure, I'll see you there. Then the Sportatorium
<v Speaker 1>TV taping was good, but I barely watched it. I
<v Speaker 1>was so excited to be invited into the circle of
<v Speaker 1>the popular cool kids that I was thinking more about
<v Speaker 1>that than the actual matches. Next morning, I rolled up
<v Speaker 1>out of the beach around ten am, just as we
<v Speaker 1>hit planned. To my surprise, Terry and his friends were
<v Speaker 1>all done m They were already toweling off and making
<v Speaker 1>their way back to their cars. It was obvious they
<v Speaker 1>had gotten there at eight or nine am. Sorry, brother,
<v Speaker 1>he said, we got an early start. Watch come back
<v Speaker 1>next week, same time, be here around ten Okay, no problem,
<v Speaker 1>I said, Just happy he was talking to me. The
<v Speaker 1>next week came and it was deja vu all over again,
<v Speaker 1>same scene, same story. I got there just as they
<v Speaker 1>were leaving.
<v Speaker 7>M hm.
<v Speaker 1>I must have fallen for that same stupid joke five
<v Speaker 1>or six times or more before I finally realized that
<v Speaker 1>they were just messing with the young kid. You See,
<v Speaker 1>Terry and I had gone to the same high school,
<v Speaker 1>but he was three years older than I was and
<v Speaker 1>looked at me as being just some goofy boy. Come
<v Speaker 1>graduation time, I was seventeen, but Terry and his circle
<v Speaker 1>were like twenty or twenty one. He was already playing
<v Speaker 1>in a band and going to bars. He was also
<v Speaker 1>lifting weights.
<v Speaker 2>Like a team.
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