2025-11-19- KSR - Hour 1

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Speaker 3: This is Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone. This is Kentucky Sports Radio. Wednesday, November the nineteenth. I am Matt Jones here at the Ks Bar and Grill. It is Wingsday, Dollar Wings starting at eleven o'clock. When we opened the door last night, this place was packed with Kentucky fans excited, but it didn't turn out well for them or for all the folks uh listening at home. You give shock Clark's Puppets Foo Shop phone Line twenty two eighty seven. We are going to take a bunch of calls today. I want to see the pulse of the fan base. I don't think it's good, but I would like to see it a vision autoglass text machine seven seven two seven seven four five two five four. In this disition sponsored by the T J. Smith Office. You call TJ. I'll make them pay. We want to recognize. First, we've got a couple folks in here. First of all, this guy's from Jupiter, Florida. Yeah, came to visit his cousin and this is his first trip to the bar. Tough day, but that's okay because you're still gonna enjoy it. And then three generations of this family. You want to talk about a family looking like each other. This is grandmother, mother, daughter and they all. If you can't tell those three are related, then you're not. Then you're not trying.

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Speaker 4: We all knew it as soon as they walked in the door. Yeah, I know that is.

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Speaker 5: Boy over here is listen to our show on six different continents.

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Speaker 2: Six different Which one Antarctica is the only one? That one you've done?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 2: Which one haven't you done? Australia? All right, well you we can't have had a mini Antarctica listeners. So, uh, when I get the little map, I never see that on there, so I appreciate it. Well, look, last night was a disaster on all fronts. In some ways, I'm not sure it could have gone much worse unless something had happened to the building. I mean, it was, it was. It was awful. The team played terrible, the players looked disengaged and awful, and and then after the game, somehow I almost felt like was worse than the game, with the with the with the way the Pope postgame comments went, you know, we can There's a lot of different directions we can go. I think that the least interesting one is the basketball because it was so bad. I mean, it was an absolute pitiful display of basketball on all sides. Defense was terrible. I mean, you know, Jay Billis said Michigan State was essentially running their offense as if it was a shoot around, and I think that's probably correct. Shot the ball poorly, and an effort, especially in the second half, seemed non existent. Ryan, I mean, I expected that we could lose yesterday. I mean I thought we would win, but I thought, you know, it was impossible we could lose. The idea that we would get run off the floor by that team was just not something I foresaw me neither.

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Speaker 5: You're right, that was a beatdown. That was an embarrassing beat down by a team. You know, after the Louisville loss was a bad loss, But I didn't feel any different about our team either. The boy after this loss, I feel a lot different about our team because there's something off. There's some issues or some things on. I know we'll get into it, but there's just something not right about this team. And I never thought we were gonna be this poor defensive team. I really thought they were gonna be a really good defensive team start to season.

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Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna be like, potentially an elite deficsion.

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Speaker 4: I did too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think said that. And while I was very bummed that we lost low, I was like, well, the one positive is we'll be even better on defense, and we were much worse. That was a disaster.

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Speaker 4: It was a disaster.

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Speaker 7: I was getting shots for saying Michigan State can't shoot.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 7: They can shoot if you just let them have target practice. Anyone at that level of basketball can hit wide open threes. I couldn't believe the looks they were getting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and they knocked them. I mean had four in the first three minutes. Uh, you know, I I honestly, I don't know. There's a lot to dwell on on the basketball except the defense is terrible. The offense looks very stagnant, and I don't know that's the one thing. I don't know how it gets fixed, because I think in less low plays, I still think you've got a real problem with guys beating beating people off the dribble. And unlike last year, which couldn't really beat teams off the dribble, but you could shoot, we can't shoot. So that combination is not a is not a good combination. Brandon Garrison had one of the sort of epically bad performances I've seen in a while, including some there's some clips out there of him, Yeah, you know, just completely loggi gag. And we still don't know what's happened with Otega away. Uh, And it's it's just not good now. The more I think interesting conversation, the one people were talking about is kind of the whole overall demeanor of the team. This looks like for me three things number one and most importantly, it looks like Mark and I can't believe I'm saying this, but it looks like he's completely lost as to what to do. He just completely looks he has been out game planned and like on an unbelievable level these last two games. Yeah, I coach and just completely like the other team's getting layups and we're struggling to even get a shot off. I also like his whole demeanor. I mean, I you know, we heard when he came here from BYU. This is a guy that takes losing seriously and it hurts him. And I prefer that over well, at least I go get got to go, get to see my dogs. But sometimes you can take things, you know, a little sit. And I have to tell you, if you only saw the postgame interviews he had with the media and then specifically with Jeff Goodman, you'd have been like, I'm worried about that guy. I mean you would have you would have said that I don't want to say it takes it too hard, but it's like, man, okay, that that doesn't look good. Then the team chemistry, it looks like a group of people don't like each other. I mean, I don't understand how that is, because it doesn't seem like any of them are bad guys, but they do not seem to like each other. And that's really surprising to me because I was around him during the beginning of the year and they seem to like each other. So you go, well, what happened with that? And then just the whole vibe of you know, now the twenty two million dollars and all these guys with the money and burb by the way, I don't buy any of that when it's saying the money. These other teams are making money and they're playing well, So it's not the money. It maybe it's our specific reaction to it, but other teams are doing fine. So the all three of those issues Ryan are very worrisome.

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Speaker 5: And about the players, you know, the uh, the mass substitution seem to work last year because they seemed.

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Speaker 4: To be supportive.

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Speaker 5: They hated them last year, but they seemed to be It seemed to work at times. They have to support with each other.

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Speaker 2: I felt like we were having this conversation last year all the time about mass substitution.

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Speaker 5: The mass substitution this year definitely just kills every vibe, every momentum, everything we got going on.

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Speaker 4: When the money does it.

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Speaker 5: But about Pope, you know, uh, in a time of crisis, we look to our leaders, and so we're looking to our leader, and he's making it worse. You know, after the Louisville game, he made it worse, and after the last night he made it worse.

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Speaker 4: We need we need he's our leader.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: What's all we look for him for guidance, for to help.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a middle ground between like bag Dad, Bob, everything is fine, we are winning, it's great, and you know, droopy dog, there's a there's a there's a there's a fine line there. You have to project confidence while also acknowledging pain. And I'm trying to think. You know, they used to say Bill Clinton was good at that. When I think of coaches that are good at that, I don't know. I'm not sure. Who do you think is really good at that? Kind of when they lose, you still feel like this is gonna. I don't know. There's no way comes to mind immediately, but I know whatever it is is not what I saw last night.

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Speaker 7: Now I'm glad he feels it when they lose. That's what you want. But you can't just I don't wanna say he's a baby and going and hiding. But Tom Bleach waited for like an hour. They had to get Darren Headrick to call in from a car. It sounded like to fill Tom.

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Speaker 2: If you were listening to radio broadcast, they did like a seventeen minute interview trying to fill time because he was so late. I mean, you have a child this better than anybody, Drew. There's never been a coach that took longer to come out than Pope did last night.

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Speaker 7: And I would say the two closest people to Pope and his staff in the national media right now are a good minute of Norlander, and they're the ones tweeting like where is the Norlander? But like forty five minutes still waiting on Pope. I get your hurt, and I like that you're hurt, but I just think that's a bad look, not just making the people wait, but kind of to Ryan's point, you need to come out and show it, put a put on a good front and kind of give some confidence even though it was so bad, or some kind of an explanation not what he did. I texted Billy during the radio interview with Tom Leach. It was like two minutes in. I was like, Billy, he's doing Tom wrong here, He's given one word answers in Tom's tripping over questions, and it's almost like he was I don't want to say smart elect but that was the quote you brought up on post A Mark that.

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Speaker 2: Was bad as he said, what did you say to the team in the locker room? And he said, we said some things and then just paused. I mean, that's I'm not saying Mark is this because I don't think he is. I think Mark's a really good guy. But that's the kind of thing a jerk would say. Like, that's what a jerk would say if you said to what did you say to him? We said some things and just and then just stop, like that would be what a jerk would say. Now, Mark's not a jerk, and he didn't even say it in that tone. But if you just read that quote, that's the that's that's a horrible quote. If Cola Perry said that quote, I would have said, cal, you're being a jerk. If Billy Gillispie said that quote, we would have been like, that's why you gotta be fired. You're an ass. Now Mark didn't say it in that tone, but the words are the words. You know, what did you say to the team.

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Speaker 7: We said some things and then in press conferences and radio interviews aren't the end of the world. But it showed me he has no answer or no grip of this.

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Speaker 2: If I want to say, like you know, it was very emotional. I want to keep that in the locker room. Okay, I'll accept that. But we said some things. I just I when people it's weird, because Tom Leech is such a nice man that sometimes I think, like when people are weird to him, then that's really not good. Like it's one thing if you're weird to me, but when you're weird to Tom, Tom Lee, Tom Leech like he's the nicest guy in the world.

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Speaker 5: Tom was doing the best he could to try to get something out of Pope last night, and Park Pope is not a jerk, but to use that word, as we've said, he was being a jerk last night.

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Speaker 3: Answered I don't know to one of the questions because he asked, like, when you were a player at Kentucky, did you have any sort of or adversity here?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, did you have an university as a player at Kentucky or in the pros? And he said I don't know. I was listening.

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Speaker 7: I'm like putting Darren back on at the drive through to talk about the women's teams, say it's just.

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Speaker 2: A little behind the scenes. I mean, the JMI post game thing with the coach is supposed to be three segments, right, okay, and and it varies in length. I hear all of them because I'm sitting there waiting to go on the air, and sometimes I'm like, will you hurry up because I got blabbing to do, And then sometimes I'm like, I want to hear what you have to say. His he did three segments. They could only do two, yeah, because he didn't even give them enough to do three. And it was three minutes and eleven seconds. Two minutes of it was Tom trying to ask questions. I mean it was. And then you're right about Norlander and Goodman. I think that's important because you know, there are certain medium members that become, in my opinion, almost the voice of the coach okay, because they know him so early in the Cow era. I think that was me, And then it became like Decorsi and Greenberg, like when they talked, you knew that's what Cow meant. Well for Pope. I think it's Norlander and Goodman and when they both say, this is the most down I've ever seen Mark Pope, that's not a good sign, right.

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Speaker 5: No, you know, standing in the locker room for fifty minutes there obviously are having some sort of heart to heart, and he came out of it like more down than we went into the locker room. I feel like his interview with Goodman Man, just to see him and then we'll hear him. What he said to Goodman is like.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't good. It was not that at allson inspiring at all.

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Speaker 7: And adding to that last year and Pope says this about everything. He's such an intelligent guy. He likes the puzzles, he likes figuring things out. He likes the challenge. I like having to think outside the box. I gotta figure this out now. It's just like, uh, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I don't have an answer.

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Speaker 2: It's just in saying what was his final thing, like, we're gonna have a great.

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Speaker 4: Year, We're gonna get it right, We're gonna turn it around.

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Speaker 2: He mad. It was like a very definitive I'll look it up. It will we won't fail that's right, We're not going to fail.

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Speaker 5: That's a very strong statement. Well that's what we need to hear from you. Yes, yes, I just need to hear more of that. Yes, we're mad. He's obviously mad. He's upset. But still you are the face and the leader of our program. We need to stanp up and be a good leader for us.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure you could have gone worse lessness. It was awful. I mean it was awful, And if you talk to the people at the game, they are even more down about it than the people that weren't because they were seeing the body language of the players that we didn't see on camera. Like I I probably had five or six people at the game say to me, man, we look bad. And I'll even go I talked to someone I know in New York who is not even about basketball for you, and they just happened to be at that game their work win. And she sent me a message and said, Kentucky's playing you all look sad. And I was like, well, I heard her recognize that we are sad. Yeah, but she meant the players though, you all look sad.

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Speaker 7: I was so jealous of everyone in New York. I love New York this time of year. It ruined Christmas for me. I hope they don't put the Rockefeller Tree up. Don't even do the Macy's Thanksgiving parade, because it'll just remind me as those floats come down of Michigan State shooters coming down and getting wide open shots. That should have been a special trip. But now we've gone to the garden twice in Pope's first two years and gotten absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Drilled, absolutely seal act. Well it was that was bad, and I now the question is where do you go from here? I was on the phone a lot this morning. There's a lot going on. And now, of course, as you could be expected, the big talkie is what happened in that locker room against Louis. I mean that, and and Mark said that that's his fault. He did that. And so now that continues to be the question. We'll talk about it and we will take your call. Say if I'm nine two eight oh twenty two A seven, we're here at KS Bar and grill. This is Kentucky Sports Radio. Welcome back Kentucky Sports Radio. All right, I just need to say a couple of things. This is from people on the text machine and online. Everybody's gotta stop with the we need a new coach fire Pope or saying we're suggesting that I'm having reasonable discussions. All right, he can have a terrible year. He not going anywhere and he shouldn't, right, Like, that's just the reality. But we gotta talk about this as adults. And when you lose a game, you don't just.

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Speaker 8: Go five pound Mark vat Donalds try five pout like I'm just no, I'm just saying, but you call a spade a spade, right, I mean that means when I if I go eat at Arby's and the food's not good, I'm not saying shut down all Arby's.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, hey, Arby's make a better roast beef sandwich. Right, That's kind of what this is, Mark, Let's make a better roast beef sandwich.

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Speaker 7: When they should bring the five for five back.

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Speaker 2: I don't need arby a long time to be fair, but go ahead.

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Speaker 5: When Mark Pope met with you before he coaches first game, he said, when you when I need to be ripped, I want you to rip me.

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Speaker 2: Well, he said that, and he's getting his request, yes, because congratulations. I mean, but I gave him credit for that. Listen, I give him credit for acknowledging how bad we are. I just don't want him to be so sad because I need somebody to you know, if on, let me use up another political on nine eleven. Okay, that was a sad day. I know that was much sadder than this. But one of the things I always thought George Bush did well is he projected the hurt people fell, but then he stood on that rubble and said they'll pay for them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right right, and.

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Speaker 2: There was that was probably his finest hour, right that's you know, Nick Saban does a good job about that. Nick Saban, somebody pointed out as a good one, like you lose. You can tell he's angry, but he's also like, all right now we're we're coming where. It's like Dabbo is always like, we're fine, the Lord's going Mike Show, we beat Clint Bait next week. And you're like, come on, cheese ball, you gotta find what that message is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't want what we saw last night from Pope, and I don't want Kyle Perry talking about going.

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Speaker 4: To see his dog.

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Speaker 5: There's got to be a middle gay and Tubby when he'd come and do after a big loss. He could tell he was hurting, he was down, but he would least he would talk to you and answer your questions and talk be respectful to Tom Leach in the postgame show.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things I need to happen immediately. Number one, I need Brandon Garrison not to start for a little while, okay, because that's he's maybe the most frustrated.

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Speaker 4: He's getting worse.

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Speaker 7: It seems like that was my big point on pregame. I said, this is his last chance.

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Speaker 2: So he goes to horn to move somebody else and stry. And I need Moda Batte to never shoot ever ever, Like he has the worst shot I've ever seen. He seems to shoot from his lead but and and it and you talk about not thinking a shot. Remember I used to say last year that if if Amari or Garrison shot at three, I was like, well that's not going with Diabati. If it's in the air, I'll bet every dollar I have it's not going. I mean he I like him as a player, and he does a lot of good things, but I need him not shooting threes. And if he and then you know I don't know if in Pope's system, can you have a four that doesn't shoot threes?

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Speaker 7: That's my big question. I loved you, Bote. I don't know, but Pope wants a five out thirty three is a game team, and I'm looking at his roster going, sir, I think you forgot the shooters to go in that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have our stup has three guys that can't shoot right now? How about Aberdeen?

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Speaker 7: When that man misses, he's gonna miss He had another air ball three last night and it was open. I mean, he had a good game against the Louisville in the second half. We need him, but he makes his missus count when he misses a three.

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Speaker 2: You know, as Cedric the entertainer would say, when we break, we break. When he misses, he.

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Speaker 7: He's gotta be a chasing a record for air ball threes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, if I'm nine twenty two eighty seven, who's up first, Let's go to Mike. Mike, go ahead, Mike, Good morning. Everyone.

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Speaker 4: Did you say Park mo I'm it wouldn't surprise me if I did. I don't remember saying.

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Speaker 5: We're saying you said Park Moll. I didn't hear that, maw. We know who we're talking about for today, he's Park Mote.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Park maybe today he is. Yeah, all right, go ahead, Mike.

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Speaker 9: So just let's you know. I'm here in Knoxville, Tennessee. I'm a huge UK fan originally from Kentucky. Uh, this past year been I've been married for five years and this is the first year that my wife has allowed me to put up my UK tree. So I put it up this week before that, you know, before this game, and I was like, Okay, after the little the loss, I'm gonna put this up. So I put it up and I'm all celebrating, and then last night happens.

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Speaker 2: Man, So this may be your fault, the your UK Christmas tree in Knoxville. You think maybe he took it down.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, I'm I'm hurting, but uh, this is what this is what I want to say. This is what Brandon Garrison trash.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. We don't we don't we don't call players names. I mean, I'm okay saying the way he plays is, but like we can't do that.

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Speaker 9: Okay, Brandon Garrison is. The way he played was track.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you that Marino.

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Speaker 9: Needs to be starting. He's a freshman. I get it, but he's got there's so much ceiling. You know, he likes he can do so much more. But this is my thing, the chemistry of this team. There's there is some huge issues, man. And you can just tell the pre game, before the game started, the the I was watching, like you know, they were panning over to the UK bench and they were looking at Mississippi or Michigan State. And I've seen the Michigan State players all up and in uniform ready to go. I look over here at Kentucky's bench and there this is before they introduced players. They're all just like kind of laid back, setting back on them ball.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that for a minute. But I appreciate the call. Let's talk about that. Chemistry clearly an issue. Why do you think that's the case. Something's going on. I don't know it.

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Speaker 7: And I was hesitant to just start believing stuff after Louisville because I thought that's a true road game. There probably was something, but it probably wasn't anything big. Now for seeing that, something's gotta be going on. I don't have the answer, but something is going on.

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Speaker 2: Something's going on. I mean, I don't know what it is. You know, I knew Oscar and Severe didn't like each other and the team was split, with most people on severe side, but Oscar was the good player, so like I could pinpoint with that. I don't know what this is. I don't know who's on whose side. I don't know who doesn't like each other. They're rumors flying around. I don't think they're true, but I don't know, Like I don't know if there was a fight in the locker room. Jack seemed to suggest maybe there was, but I don't know. If he's just throwing that out there. I don't know. I have no idea, but I know this, whatever it is, it wasn't handled correctly cause because clearly the team I watched run onto the Floor versus Purdue is not the team I'm watching now, and they don't seem to like each other.

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Speaker 5: Something's off, and when Jack Gibbons brings it up, you can, well, let's talk.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about what Jack and Travis said, because Jack Gibbons and Travis Ford both said something and I give them a lot of credibility, and we'll talk about why that is. Right after this to be right back. TJ. Smith, personal injury attorney, called TJ. He'll make them pay.

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Speaker 1: Here's Matt Jones.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Tukey Sports Radio. EPUN nine two eight oh twenty two eighty seven, Text Machine seven seven two seven, Sivy four five two five four. Okay, so you did say Park Mope.

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Speaker 4: I think last night it's a perfect name for him, Park Mope.

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Speaker 2: I mean, actually, if you're gonna ever say Park Mope last night because he did kind of mope.

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Speaker 5: He did kind of mope. When Dukes got beat, we called him Mark Poops a couple of times. So now it's I think we all have done it before.

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Speaker 2: I've never done it. Yeah, Like, don't don't say, Shannon, did I ever call him Mark Poops? I did not.

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Speaker 6: That is.

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Speaker 2: I can guarantee you that I've never said it. I do not believe Drew's ever said it. You have, you know I've said Mark poops, Shon says, and I don't think you we all said I have not said it.

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Speaker 4: You did one time.

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Speaker 2: That is a complete line, mister Mope. All right, so let's talk about what Jack Giffons and Travis Ford's okay. So Jack Gibbons said he he said on the postgame press conference, or excuse me, in the post game when they were filling time to try to get till Mark got there. That last year, that team, Remember, Jack is around practice like every day. So this is not a guy who's just This isn't just us giving a pat. He is in practice every day. He said last year, all of those guys had an intense need to prove that they should be at Kentucky. That all those guys they had played at Drexel and all these schools, and they wanted to prove that they were needed to be at Kentucky. And that's why they gave such energy. And he said this group just doesn't have That was essentially what he said. I tried to just call Jack and ask him, come on, he's in a meeting and said he couldn't do it today, but he did another time. Travis Ford apparently said in an interview last week that this team just had no chemistry and didn't get along. Now, he too, has been in practice. That's not an opinion. He has called three of our games, and as such he gets to go to practice in the days leading up to it. So that's two guys who are seeing practice, right, this is not just random people. How much of aalidity do you give to those two things.

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Speaker 5: I give a lot of validity to it because he said nobody's closure to that team outside of the players and the coaches than Jack Gibbons. He travels with them, He's there at every practice. When he says something, I listen.

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Speaker 7: I heard Travis on the chemistry thing. I think he meant more basketball chemistry, but it's still a problem.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't. He wasn't talking.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I can't speak for him, but what he might have said it in a different interview, But I did hear him do an interview, but he was saying, like basketball chemistry, they still have to figure out, which is a problem in itself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's clear.

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Speaker 7: I am starting to Hey, something's going on that I don't know. But I think even if they liked each other, I think they have a big problem just with how the roster's built.

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Speaker 2: I think I think in the NIL era, your general manager constructioning of this becomes very very important, maybe as important as coaching. And I agree with you, I don't think there they I had a nagging suspicion about the shooting going into this year, and it's not. I don't know. I don't know if that's gonna get better. I mean, I don't know, what are you gonna do to make this team shoot, especially if Low doesn't come back. I mean, if Low doesn't come back, they're gonna have a real shooting problem.

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Speaker 7: A light needs to go off for Cam Williams and he needs to be the four now right now, that light hadn't really gone off. He's gotten a little better, but they have to have more shooters. I think always the biggest problem. Everybody's trying to figure out if it's money, NBA whatever. I just think he don't have any lanes. If you go watch his highlights last year, he'd get the ball going downhill, no thinking, straight to the rim and finish. It's just clogged in the offense. The ball is sticking on offense. They need shooters to for how Pope runs that.

00:26:33
Speaker 2: I was also a play early in the game where he beat his man and he had his lane and he let the guy block him from behind. I don't remember him ever doing that last year. I mean, usually if he got a step on you he was scoring and probably getting an A in one, and he let let him block him.

00:26:47
Speaker 5: Last, do you take anything from that video clip of o Way last night on the post game?

00:26:51
Speaker 2: Okay, so, if you saw the press conference, it looked like he was rolling his eyes. There were two angles. There's the angle right below him where it definitely looks like he's rolling his eyes. But then somebody else posted an angle from the other side and it didn't really look like that there. And so as Mario's video videoing, sometimes show life is about angles, you know. Sometimes Mario can put a video out of me where I'm like, man, I gotta do something, and then last night he put one out so good somebody thought I was on I had botox and so, which I haven't. I mean, maybe I should, But so I think a life is about angles. So maybe the angles, you know, maybe he didn't roll his eyes. I don't know, but it looked like he rolled his eyes from the one video.

00:27:35
Speaker 7: Yeah, the way thing didn't bother as much. They just got whooped. I was rolling my eyes too. Let's all roll her eyes after that game. One thing that I did have concerns. A couple of people texted me before the gameam tipped off, and you said it on the postgame show, Pope walking into that arena looked like a man walking into a job he hates.

00:27:49
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about that.

00:27:51
Speaker 7: That concerned me more than the way postgame clip.

00:27:53
Speaker 2: It looked like a guy that so I didn't see that before it happened. I didn't see it till after the game. But there's a video of him walking in BEFO for the game and he looks like a man who life has beaten up and he's going into his accounting job, going what have I done with my youth? He did? That's what he looked like. I know that's not how he feels, but he looked awful, didn't he? Okay, I have a theory, all right, I want to hear it.

00:28:19
Speaker 5: My theory is that they know Jalen Lowe is not coming back, and he's already for the second in a row, he's gonna have to do this deal without his star point guard. They built everything around Jalen Lowe. You've called him on the MVP of the team. I think they've made the decision he's not gonna play.

00:28:35
Speaker 2: All right? Is that scoop? Or is that.

00:28:37
Speaker 4: Scuttle maybe a little scuttle.

00:28:39
Speaker 2: But maybe maybe is a word that you just need to. I give you the chance to do scoop or scuttle, but you can't then go even further to maybe I'm gonna go get it scoop or is it scuttle?

00:28:51
Speaker 5: No, because they, of course they could change their mind today or is it a gas. I think there's a strong possibility that he's not come back, okay, and I think maybe that well, can you say scuttle but though, well, I think maybe because like I said, they they could change their mind today. After last night, they mad like, okay, I gotta come back and save this team.

00:29:12
Speaker 2: You know, So you would say, all right, let me put a different way. You would say, going into last night's game, he wasn't coming up.

00:29:17
Speaker 4: I think that was a very strong possibility.

00:29:19
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that's not you're giving yourself an out. The Lamar Wilkinson thing is still hard.

00:29:24
Speaker 4: Yes it is.

00:29:26
Speaker 2: Now he's not now he's not doing his thing. I'll give you some backup. Uh, yesterday afternoon he was floating around Lexton. He's not coming back and and that's that's what everybody was saying. And if you listen to Mark Pope's answer in the post game, he says, I don't have anything for you on that. That doesn't mean he doesn't have an answer. Maybe they look at this after last night and they do otherwise. But I I am now moving my brain into the Jalen Low is not gonna play. And if Jallen Loan does not play, my ceiling for this team is different. Even if they get all their stuff together, We're not winning national championship without Jalen Lowe Jay, if you listen to me all year, the key to this team, what did I say all year? You have to have Jalen Low. You have to and if we don't, it's a different team. I'm not saying it's a team that can be good. I'm not even saying it's a team that can be great, But I don't think it's a team that can reach its full But you have to have that guy. And if you don't have him, I think you gotta go find somebody, Like if he's not playing, I gotta go. And I mean now you can find people in the G League. I don't know. Maybe Briani can play like you can you're you're I mean the rules of change. You gotta go get somebody. In my opinion, Drew, if if you don't have Jalen Low.

00:30:36
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've never expected him back. I said that day at Skybar. Someone should infinity. Someone should already be in Europe right now. I mean, I know as fans we want him back. But if you're Jalen Low and you write your pros and cons down, there are a lot more pros for not playing, then right you should play.

00:30:52
Speaker 2: Well, you got an extra ear, I mean one and again people may not like this, but you got to put yourself in the arm, in the in the position of the kid. You can get yourself healthy. B you now get another year at college basketball. If you come back and play six more games, you've now used up your year of eligibility. He's only played two games. He can get another year of eligibility. Now he could play two more years. And for a kid like that who's probably not going to the pros, that could be a three four million dollars decision. I mean, I couldn't blame him, could you.

00:31:24
Speaker 7: Well, even before last night, I said I would sit out if I were Jayalen Low. And now that we see the team has problems, why would I risk my arm for a team that doesn't even like each other.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: That's true. If you're sitting there watching the team fight, you're like.

00:31:35
Speaker 7: Well, I start looking out for my shoulder at that point. Not selfish as a person, but he if he plays until January toughing it out and then reinters it and needs surgery in February, now he's hurt himself for next year and set the team back. So he's got to look out for himself. And with the two results they've had in the meaningful games, he pushes him farther away.

00:31:52
Speaker 2: We have to go get a point guard.

00:31:54
Speaker 5: They have to because even though I think got to be somebody, Denzel is a good backup, he's not the guy that's gonna rea due to a big run.

00:32:01
Speaker 4: I think a point guard.

00:32:03
Speaker 5: So I think it's plausible that the Jalen Low hangover had a little bit of effect on Pope going into last night.

00:32:09
Speaker 2: Now what I mean? That's not a terrible explanation. Who's next? Jackson? Jackson? Go ahead, Jackson.

00:32:17
Speaker 10: Hey guys, how's it going this morning? H Yeah, that's the way I feel too. I ain't got a quick question and a comment for you, Matt, Maybe the difference between scuttle butt and rumor. But I was reading on Mario's video of some of the comments there last night, and someone had commented, and I don't know what if.

00:32:38
Speaker 2: You're gonna do something, If you're gonna do something about personal interactions with players, if that's what you're gonna do, I don't want to put that on the air. If you're if you've got it, If it's something else, I'm glad to hear it. But if it's like this person did this, I'd rather not. I hope you understand. I don't want to spread that.

00:32:56
Speaker 11: No, just just thinking about the team chemistry and stuff. That's just a comment that was interesting about the issues behind the scenes, something personal going on between team mates or whatever, might be over a woman or something like that.

00:33:10
Speaker 2: I want to get into that. I know I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't think so. I appreciate it.

00:33:14
Speaker 11: I understand, generally.

00:33:16
Speaker 2: Speak, I appreciate the call. Generally speaking, this is a long standing thing. When teams have chemistry issues, people always blame a woman. That's always been the case. I'm not saying that's never been the case. There's one time I think it was the case. You're right, but in general there's like, well, they must be fighting over a woman, and I don't I don't think that's I think that's most of the time not true. Generally speaking. There are plenty of fish in the sea for UK basketball players, so I think it'll be. It'll be.

00:33:51
Speaker 5: But then we agree there's something off, something's not right, and I don't know if we can figure it out by the next big game we've got, but they need to be figured out quickly out.

00:34:00
Speaker 2: I think we're going to and Mark, if you do nothing else, just tell us what happened in that stupid locker room.

00:34:08
Speaker 4: Wipe the slate clean.

00:34:09
Speaker 2: Let's not make this the Epstein files, all right, let's just just say it. Okay, just just do.

00:34:15
Speaker 7: It, and let's move on, right, Just lay the locker room files out.

00:34:19
Speaker 2: Whoever is evolved, all right.

00:34:24
Speaker 7: We predicted this when he was being all coy about that, like it's gonna linger in the next week and if you have a bad game, it's just gonna be magnified.

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00:35:30
Speaker 7: I thought Ron was saying we did it when Stoop wasn't good. Now, I've had to slip during the Dion Walker interview that everyone remembers, I've never done.

00:35:36
Speaker 5: You let it slip one time because then you started laughing at yourself. You're sitting right there in that spot right there.

00:35:41
Speaker 2: Well, I said, sit in this spot like every day.

00:35:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's said here.

00:35:45
Speaker 2: It's not a different spot. I remember.

00:35:47
Speaker 4: I can remember the moment when it happened, because you were kind of laughing at yourself.

00:35:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that happened. We have Quiz Night to hit here at the bar. It's Quiz Night Drew with a guy named Quiz.

00:35:58
Speaker 4: It's gotta be good then, right, it's that is right.

00:36:00
Speaker 2: His name is Quiz So the guy that gives the quiz name is Quiz So. Uh so you can come out. It's different than my trivia. It's a little easier and it's a little different. So it's Quiz Night with Quiz tonight at Chaos. I mean, I'm told it's Quiz Night with Quiz though tonight you can come on out. And we also have Wings Day so you can quiz and dollar wings and burgers, et cetera. Uh. By the way, we got good reviews on our NFL episode from our boss. So we're Drew and I are happy about that. We got to think from the NFL because we didn't know because we really didn't talk about football at all during any of the stuff. And they they still they liked it, so.

00:36:41
Speaker 7: That was good, and they had a little like they proved they listened. Like at one point I said ranch instead of blue cheese. They called me out on that. They mentioned about Billy's shoes.

00:36:50
Speaker 2: The guy from the NFL specifically said, uh, tell Billy I like his Dick Van Dyke shift. So they were dialed in. Which is uh? Which? Nice? Text machine seven seven two seven four five two five four h one person rights, Matt. I've seen all this about fights about all different things. You said you don't think it was women. Could it be religion? No, come on, come on, but come on, like be reasonable. That doesn't happen either. We've had players over the years that were every religion. That people are just people, just wwar in twenty don't just start fighting like they're not like people on the internet who get mad about everything like that. These dudes know each other. If they don't like each other, it may just be it's it's I guarantee you. It is very likely just personality based, like I don't like you, You're not someone I want to be around. That's what usually ends up beating You know, when when Oscar was here, and again I like Oscar, they didn't dislike him because of religion. They didn't like him because they thought he kind of thought he was better than everybody, and there were different rules for Oscar than there were for everybody else in their mind. I'm not even saying they were right, but that's what they thought. That's why they didn't like each other. So it's not the things people like. This is not people arguing about the latest comment from Keen Jefferies. These are people who just like you annoy me, and I don't like you.

00:38:17
Speaker 7: You know what's so weird about it is in the few things we've been to, they seemed close. And usually when their locker room problems, you know it right away and that stuff leaks out before they even start playing games. Everything seemed just fine up until a week or two ago it did. That's what's so weird about all of this.

00:38:34
Speaker 2: The women's team won though, by forty, so that's a lot.

00:38:37
Speaker 5: Maybe we'll look back on last night after the heart to heart fifty minute meeting after the game, maybe things turn around. We can all point back to that night that everything turned around for this team and they've joined four way.

00:38:46
Speaker 2: So see, I would have thought that maybe, But then how do you explain Pope afterwards? Like if they came out of that meeting like, okay, here we go, Wildcats, year we go, then why did he come out being park Mobe.

00:39:04
Speaker 7: We didn't know it was a meeting, could have just been sitting in the back in the dark.

00:39:08
Speaker 2: If they might have all just been sitting there listening to Morrissey that it.

00:39:13
Speaker 7: Would have been nice, though, with it taking so long, if you did come out and be like, sorry, I'm late. The guys stood up start talking about what's wrong, how they're gonna fix it. I didn't want to break it up. It was a good moment for a locker room.

00:39:23
Speaker 2: But he was like, oh, no, I don't know what we talked. Yeah, that's that's that's partially kind of why it doesn't doesn't feel great. Who's next, Joseph, Joseph, go ahead, Joseph, morning, guys, how are you? I'm doing good? All right?

00:39:39
Speaker 6: Before I before I get to my main point, which is mostly negative. Can I just try to say something positive? Of course you can, all right, So what a luxury is it to have a coach that actually cares about losing?

00:39:52
Speaker 2: Agree?

00:39:52
Speaker 6: You know, we aren't that we aren't that far removed from a guy who would want to go watch The Little House on the Prairie after every law So whatever.

00:40:00
Speaker 2: The hell it was.

00:40:01
Speaker 6: So I'm happy that Pope cares. But with that being said, I was praying that when he came out to that press or he wouldn't talk about how disappointed they are and the typical song and dance that he does after we lose. I wanted to see some fire and frankly, some anger, yeah, because I feel like this, this like moping around rubs off on this team in the wrong way, and you see it in their body language and how they react to things, and I just wanted I wanted some anger.

00:40:32
Speaker 2: You know.

00:40:33
Speaker 6: I just don't think this team responds well to the I.

00:40:37
Speaker 2: Actually think that's a really good way to put it. I appreciate the call. I don't know, I don't know that this team responds well to sadness. But then again, I mean for back to the locker room pregame story, The story that I heard that again may not be correct, was that people were used to one kind of pope and then a different pope walked in the locker room and they were like, who's this dude? You know? The story was that he went up to like Jayalen Lowe and was like, Mickel Brown's better than you. Don't you want to prove it? Don't you want to prove it? And they were like who are you? Like like like stop, and it maybe threw them off again. I don't know. So you do have to be within your personality Drew, whatever that is.

00:41:25
Speaker 7: And Pope has a lot of strengths. We saw them last year. But I'm really starting to question him getting ready for these big games and how he's going to handle a deep roster where he's got to manage minutes. He didn't have to do that last year. This year, he's got a lot of dudes that need to play, and he has not figured out rotations yet.

00:41:40
Speaker 9: No.

00:41:40
Speaker 2: Patino just did an interview where he said he didn't think we paid twenty two million dollars for the roster, that he thinks that's exaggerated. So maybe that's good. I don't know. We'll be right back number two ks Ry