Saturday Sickos: All-Underrated Defense

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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody. You gotta be a little sick to love this game. And we got some picos.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily.

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Speaker 3: It's episode three of Saturday Sickos, and I brought in a ringer today. Last week we did the All Underrated Team on offense. This week we're doing the All Underrated Team on defense. And strangely, my partner on Saturday, Olly Connelly, the one requirement he had during contract negotiations to come on board with NFL Daily, OLLI was, you need to put me on a show with the man Nick Shook, And now here we are I've done it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Siko's on complete unless sho he's in town. That's just the reality.

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Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, look, I'm glad to be a ringer. I'm usually a ringer on my friend's bowling team. I've been a ringer on our old softball team. Why not added to the list.

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Speaker 3: It's too bad weightlifting isn't just like one of those sports that you can just like play at recess or whatever, because Chuck would have been like a great ringer for that.

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Speaker 2: Although there is still a lot of arm wrestling going around.

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Speaker 3: I'm finding out in middle school and elementary school for boys, so that that could have been a good one. All right, So we did the all underrated offense last week with Ali. I'm gonna say, let's build this defense back to front. Let's go with the defensive back first. Let's start a cornerback. Actually, why don't you get us going?

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Speaker 2: Ali?

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Speaker 4: I gotta go with Kamarai Lesta from the Texans, who I think is probably one of the three best corners in the NFL right now. I think you could, honestly with this team build out everyone on the Texans defense that just isn't Will Anderson and Daniela Hunter and Derek Stingley. I still think is slightly understated given where he's at in his development. But for me, it's Lesta as truly like the picture textbook technique based core in the NFL, with all the great athletic traits too, but he is just like one for one down line, every rep is picture perfect of how you would coach it up. And he doesn't get any of the love because it's all us swallow it into the same morphus. Like the Texans are great, the past wish is great, and we kind of forget they got two ole pro corners hanging out there as well.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, all pro that you're saying that would be a top six overall cornerback in the league. If we're putting three cornerbacks on each team, you're putting Lasseter in that category.

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Speaker 4: I would have him right now. Satan lives in a league of his own. He is, you know, just a demi god. And then right after that, it's a conversation, pick who you one, and I would have Luster right there with anyone else.

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Speaker 2: That is awesome.

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Speaker 3: And if you think about like the value that they get from having these guys. Now Stingley's on a second contract, but you know when they had Stingley on his first contract and then this one that's a thirty million dollar plus type of player that you have on these low cost rookie deals. That's a good shout out. And you never know, like if the Texans finished really strong here, this is becoming an extremely memorable defense where a lot of guys might get rewarded with the postseason honors. But he's already got a big one, all underrated team. All right, give me one of your cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: Shook, Okay, we're gonna go with somebody that we actually mentioned, I think after the Monday Night Show, which is Dante Jackson, a guy who has you know, made multiple stops in his career and is having a phenomenal year with the Chargers. His targeted passer rating is forty point eight. It's among the in the NFL according to Next Gen Stats. It matches what you see with the tape, which is this a guy who just is sticky coverage and fits perfectly in this Chargers defense. It's funny because you go to this exercise like I have another Texan that's gonna come up in this secondary. I have multiple Chargers on this on this group, or at least in consideration, and I think it just fits with what we know about these teams. These defenses are good, the Texans being the best in the Chargers making a strong case for it, and it's because of guys like Dante Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think it is ali that Jesse Minter does that seems like he finds a way to get the best out of cornerbacks. Donte Jackson had some moments in Carolina, it wasn't always healthy, did not have a good season in Pittsburgh, and whoever they bring in to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Seems like it just works.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because that's not quite as wild and creative as they were when he was at Michigan. It's just a degree of like connectivity between all those guys. They have some pretty tough zone based assignments that are more detailed than complex I would say, like the standard drop to space zone and stuff. And so when you're passing all that stuff off and you've got to look on the fly of Okay, that guy's justin Jeffson, he's really fast. Oh, Nico Collins, he's really toll and really fast. To have those wing wing connections on the fly are essentially impossible in the NFL. It's why they don't have complex zone covered structures a lot of the time, because someone's always hit. You're bringing a practice squad guy up. It used to be easy to do that stuff in college when you had a guy with save him for like three years, and it could be really detail oriented. So to get that level like on the fly field where guys are passing people off, is like an astonishing achievement by all those plays Cam haw on down the line. They just find guys and it's all I think more in the brain and the feel and the connectivity between all of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm counting on you guys to really make this scheme good and carry me a long way.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just leaning on your picks.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to just bounce off what you guys said, give me your other cornerback shook, and then just jump right in after OLLI with yours.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this one like doesn't stand the test of like rep BI rep tape. Like. He's got some ugly reps, but his nose for the ball is fantastic. As Nashan Wright from the Bears, He's had a phenomenal run over the last month and a half of just making plays on the ball. And I don't know if it's just me, but I value guys who tend to show up in the next gen numbers in ballhawk great, whether it's pass defenses or interceptions. Those guys at the higher production. He's had a great run as of late. He has a great story too. You know, he was on the Laney College team at Last Chance you you know that sort of thing, and has fought his way into a role with the Bears and a Bears team that's very fun to watch with the defense that I think is underrated but very strong in the back end, and it's because he makes plays in key spots alongside some of the better defensive backs that they have in that group. I've just loved watching him thrive over the last month and make key plays. It seems like every week he might get burned on a play, but he's going to come back and make a big play on the ball. And that's why I love him.

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Speaker 4: Imagine where they would be without him, given some of the other issues they have, and he does just make play. Show gets like these are some Hall of Fame all time plays. You put the top five reel together of just the tonovers alone, it's as preposterous as anyone can ever have.

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Speaker 3: And if you're looking for a good watcher into like a sports reality show, that Laney College season. It was actually Nason Wright's brother that was in that season, but Nason Wright was kind of featured because it was like the older brother who had made it big, and I've always followed his career because of that.

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Speaker 2: It's a great season of television.

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Speaker 3: He's bounced around, you know, the Cowboys took him early and he was with the Vikings and It's always cool to see a guy kind of make his mark in the NFL after sticking around for a few years.

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Speaker 2: Who else he got a cornerback.

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Speaker 4: I've got DJ Turner. I wanted to give some love to the fan bases who are like, we are miight in the mudh can you give us any glimmer of hope? And I'm saying to the Bengals fans, I know it's a complete disaster, but I see DJ Turner and if we're doing that all pro ballot, I think sneaky third team selection.

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Speaker 5: You do go rep by rep.

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Speaker 4: You see him take on all the big boys where it's DK Metcalf, where it's a Mom Ross Saint Brown. He locks people down. He has unbelievable instincts and feel on the move. He's got incredible makeup speed once he does get b which is more than you would like to see with a true tier one, top tier guy. But he's had a sensational season when everything around him is just being pretty much a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, much to watch him develop, by the way, too, sorry Greg, but like he was a late second round pick, what you were gonna say? And like in year three, like he's a testament to giving guys time to let them get their feet underneath them, because he was not the player that they expected him to be over the first two seasons, and it wasn't really until about halfway into this season where they realized, oh, now he's blossoming. It's just a testament to giving guys the full runway of the rookie deal before giving up on them.

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Speaker 4: And they really thought he was going to be like this versl in out corny, he'll go in the slot for as. He's crazy explosive. Now he's basically Richard Sherman. He's playing an assignment of defense, which is this like weird press and trail technique which no one in the league does anymore except for all Golden.

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Speaker 5: That's going very well.

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Speaker 4: Good job by l But he's asked to do this really difficult almost throwback as Simon and is doing a level that is just like career redefining for him.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: It is one of the like surprising stories and it's a reminder these like cornerbacks, it's such an unpredictable position and you can have these awesome seasons out of nowhere and hopefully it sticks. Like Ajterrel's had a good career since that twenty twenty one season. I think it was. But sometimes like these guys pop up for these one seasons and it's just such a position where there's ups, there's downs. But he's going to get a big second contract. He was a late second round pick. We'll move on to safety. I had just written down names just in case, just to give them a little bit of love.

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Speaker 2: And these are almost lower.

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Speaker 3: And I like your idea, by the way, Ali, of having a third team all Pro I think you guys do that on the podcast. Like I'm like, more positions, more awards, like why not. I don't really trust the fifty AP voters to go like third team at safety or cornerback anyways, but it would be cool to have that. These guys would not be on that list, but just guys I enjoy watching that.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to give a little love.

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Speaker 3: How about a little come up for Buster Brown Monteric Brown for the Jaguars. I've just been surprised. Did not expect much out of him, and he's active. He's been fun to watch this year. And I always was a Tyson Campbell fan, and so far, I think the Browns have won that trade. He's a good player, and he's been a pretty good player since they traded Greg Newsom for Tyson Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not a perfect player, but cornerbacks.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy watching Let's Go to Safety where Ali actually built like a specialty tape and this will be a fun show to watch on YouTube. We have some some highlights and I think we're going to put one.

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Speaker 2: Of these tapes up. Gives give us your safety.

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Speaker 5: My first safety is Tyer Carter with the Seahawks, who is.

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Speaker 4: Maybe the biggest revelation of any player given the demands that have been placing him by his coach. Where Mike McDonald gets with an undrafted guy from Montana State and says, do you feel like being Kyle Hamilton in the NFL? One of the most special versatyle dynamic players to walk in the sport in the past decade. And this undrafted guy says, I got a bust. Don't worry about me. You want me to disguise coverage. You want me to play half on the hash and drive dan. You want me to fit the A gap from deep. I'll bring it, Buddy. I can go into Bjon Robinson one on one in the whole. Don't worry about that. I'll come and shut down Trey McBride. I'll be the creative little disguise element that allows Devin Weatherspoons to go and attack the backfield the way they've used him, and him walking in and playing it to that degree is probably the most shocking thing I've seen from any single play this year. And it didn't even row in my head just watching them weekweek. I study them every week because I love Mike McDonald and it never even popped in my eyes that a guy who's played so little ball has played that well until Mike macdoald himself went to the podium, is like, are you guys seeing what this guy is doing?

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Speaker 5: It's just the most sensational stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh. The beauty of this is that, you know, we spend a lot of time talking about this whole defense, right, and you have the household names, you have the Devin Witherspoon. There's been a lot of attention paid to Nick emon Morey, but I think it's the sum of all the parts, right. It's the contributions of a guy like Tyl Kada that allows these other players to make big differences in different roles. Because you can count on a guy like that who's just willing to sacrifice anything. This is the guy that just sticks his nose in the fray all the time, has no fear. I love he's kind of a throwback in that regard where you just love watching him play because he's flying around as no regard for his own safety.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're watching this film and you put this clip together. What stands out for you in these pass reps, especially for Okada.

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Speaker 4: The pass reps is just there is zero wasted movement, sowding through traffic at real speed. And that's what you get from the combine the time testing and Okay, how quick can you're in a straight line speed? Well, most reps in the league aren't in a straight line. If you're a safety, there's some kind of angle you've got to be as efficientess put, well, you're probably working through bodies if you're coming from deb And if you just watch him through this stuff, look at the way he works through things, looking all through that and then go and pin the thing in the fly, it's just it's really remarkable. And just the distance he can cover forwards and backwards allows them to be as creative as they want the disguise as the coach does always get the credit. We go to the nerd and say, what a genius this guy is. Well, if the guys aren't good enough, that's too slow. They can't feel it and read it on the fly, it's completely irrelevant. You get you know, Chris for fifty and you get fired. That's how it works. To just drop a guy in undrafted and ask him to be Kyle Hamilton is unlike anything I've I've seen a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Taia Katta is a is a great shout out. I think he's a perfect, perfect one. If you're watching this show, you know from the Seahawxy you want to sound smart and.

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Speaker 2: It's like, it's not just Devin Witherspoon back there.

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Speaker 3: It's not just Julian Love who came back and we'll see Because the way McDonald talked about Okada, I don't think it's not like he's going to get benched down the stretch now that they're a little healthier in the back end. Who do you have as your two safeties, Nick.

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Speaker 1: First one's Evan Williams, a guy who has come on really strong, especially in the second half of the season. I think that he has defined the I don't know if it's the resurgence, but just the Packers' defense becoming a more complete unit and really producing. Over the last month and a half, he's been making plays. Another guy with a nose for the ball, but also somebody who's just making plays on the ball and getting involved in the box. He's another guy that will come down and stop the run. He's been one of those players that when you watch the Packers week by week, you know Michael Parsons is out there. You know they have for Sean Geary, you know about Edge Cooper and all these other guys. But ball goes over the top and next thing you know, there's Van Williams making a play. He's one of those players that I think people will come to recognize more and more often if the Packers make a deep run and he makes a key play, because he's made plenty of them this season, whether it's intercepting passes, breaking passes up, he just seems to be around the ball all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're watching him make an interception of Jamis Winston, which is what everyone does. But Ali, we were talking after the Thanksgiving game, especially, it's his run defense and it's just his firing to the ball and it's not always perfect, which is probably maybe why he's not making the All Pro team quite yet. But he does an all underrated spot. Like what do you see in terms of that run defense?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, their run game enforced stuff. They have wild team speed, like it just pops off. When you watch them, they look quicker and more explosive. And if you remember back to the Eagles game last season, they look slow on the field compared to the Eagles in the playoffs. Now they look so quick and so dynamic, and I think he's a key element of that. We're kind of blessed with these young safeties Antonio Johnson, cam Kinchin's Nick Cross, but Williams has a little different degree to nasty. I don't know if you saw when he got into the one on what fight with Trent Williams. He stood up to the big boy. He threw him into the den and he was like, I will not back down from anyone if it's in the whole one on one with Jamye Gibbs is after the rep with Trent Williams, I do not care. I'm he had to play big boy football and he flies around like crazy.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go to another safety. By the way, We're gonna go back to Houston real quick. Kaitlin Bullock has been excellent and he was good last year. And I know we pay attention to, you know, the lasteners of the world that Derek Stingley and the Jalen Peatrees Bullock has. I don't know how people missed this kid coming out of USC. You want to talk about somebody, but again, with a nose for a ball, just an innate sense from me around the football, it's him. And like we've talked about the big plays that he's made in recent weeks. I think it was the Buffalo game where he made a big play late in that one. But he's just a guy that, again kind of like Evan Williams in a different fashion, when the ball is headed toward the back end of the defense, he always just seems to be there. And he just seems like a natural fit for this defense with so many stars around him that he is the I don't know if I would call him like the lynchpin or maybe the keystone to this entire group. That he fills out that secondary and he's somebody that deserves more attention Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He's like a he has great ball skills. This secondary is tricky because, like you said, I don't know if you have another one of your picks is from this safety group. Because yeah, like people do know about Jalen Peatree, I think, who does everything for them in the back end, But he still does seem underrated for like the level of player. But Bullock absolutely fits the bill too. As a guy with great ball skills. You don't necessarily see that in the secondary that much.

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Speaker 4: Ali, No, he's on a different level that Usually it's like, well, if they can catch, you put them on the other side ball and we go and score a bunch of points. For some reason, he's like the only guy in the secondary in the league who can consistently catch everything, has unbelievable range. I do think he is one of the all time great gamblers. And if you gamble then you're playing for the Panthers, you might be in trouble. He's playing in front of the most ferocious pass rush, and like recent times with Jalen Peatree, with those two oll Pro corners on the outside, you can get away with some stuff and then when it pays off and it hits, it looks pretty pretty good. But he's in the perfect location and playing pretty well. Who else you got at your safety spot? Ali, I gotta throw Tyke Smith in here from the books. I know you've talked about him on the pod this season, but we nick talked about Evan Williams and just Ken the general, Tanasty and Ferosty. I'm not sure there's anyone who plays as offended on Sundays as Tyke Smith does. And everyone in the league just like insults him between the snap, it feels like, and he comes out and he hits everything, and he hits everyone and does a thousand different roles. And they've really now got a situation where it's almost like they clone wim Field again and they can just mix and match and flip flop what they want to do with the two of those safeties.

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Speaker 3: That's quite a compliment too, that you could be able to be used in that way with Antoine Winfield. He seems like a perfect Todd Bowles player. It's been fun watching them, and yet it hasn't been consistent on that defense. But you can't really fault the young guys in the secondary. I want to just give it just a quick shout to a couple of people. Well, Quintin with Lake when he was healthy was having a great season for the Rams. I think he's gonna get he deserves a good second contract, and then the one that maybe this wouldn't be a hipster pick. I'm sure all the coverage numbers aren't amazing, but I'm just happy to see Kevin Byard having another Kevin Byard type of season for the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 2: He's thirty two or thirty three.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's most known for Dion Sanders not knowing his name back in the day.

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Speaker 2: If you remember that.

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Speaker 3: And yet he is a guy who's popped up with two first team All Pro seasons like four years apart, and he's an important part of that secondary who's been so injured. So seeing a guy like that, who I thought was kind of in his career was was just about over. Just want to give him some love and he'll be playing big time football down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: Here, here's a little story about Kevin Byard real quick, just to give you, like some context for how long he's been doing it. He first rose to prominence with the Titans back when I was still living out there in LA and working in the newsroom with you in Culver and yeah, I did a one on one with him in the in the on the lot back then. That's how long it's been. We've been in Englewood for years. I've been gone and remote for years.

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Speaker 4: I feel like he's almost most well known beyond Dion for being every like analyst, trade deadline, go get candidate. For like three years in a row, it's like, could you go and get Kevin biod? Then the Eagles went and did it and he was completely fried and cooked when he got to Philadelphia and we all had to egg on off Facebook a really good bounced by gearing someone that Kaylen Bullock is like the true free ranging middle of the field safety.

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Speaker 5: That's that's the career.

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Speaker 3: That's the career you want to have good comp Let's go to linebacker for the uninitiated. This is the position that gets Ali up in the morning or or or get some up on East Coast hours, which he crazily does during football season. He just he just switches and pretends like he's living on the East Coast there in Manchester. So what linebackers this year have you enjoyed watching the most that deserve to be on the all underrated team.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot this season which is a true bounce back where last year you're digging through the rubble being like, can we find so can we find a fourth, fifth one here that could play pretty well? I went first with Divine Diablo from the Falcons, who when he came over from Vegas, I just thought that was a complete whiff and a mistake to do. He's he's a converted safety who was always like, oh, he can play in space. You get all the coverage stuff and people say you can't find coverage linebackers, Well you might get a plus coverage linebacker who could do absolutely nothing for you in the run fit. He comes to Atlanta and he's been incredible around the ball and make him plays in the backfield, and he's playing in that really mugged up kind of linear path system where it's either blitz or drop, and that's why I think he's at his best. But he's added this new fresh element to his game where you can really kind of dance and skip around the box and slide through those crevices and go make plays in the backfield, which is just not what his game was like a toll before. He's got here, and he's been super impactful, super productive, and now has the sick aesthetic where he's got the club on one arm and he's just swamming people away and he's going to make him plays. So to mind the apoloij himself.

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Speaker 3: For me, yeah, I think about that defense and how many cool parts of it has and how they use them well, and then I think, I don't know if that defense is going to exist next year.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a shame.

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Speaker 3: We'll see who ends up being their head coach next year. But like so many guys seem like good fits and we've seen development out of their rookie pass rushers. But that's a good shout out coming from the Raiders. Everyone like looks a little better after they leave the Raiders. Who else you got shook?

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Speaker 1: Well? First off, I wanted to think real quick, maybe this is just like an association by uniform, but I think it was a different defensive scheme. But like Diablo going to the Falcons having a good year, it kind of makes me think about when like Michael Walker, who's no longer there. I always liked him with the Falcons, different types of players, but it's just like I don't know what it is about. At there's always a linebacker that comes from Atlanta that I like, I'm gonna go with. This might be a bit of a cherry pick, but he's a rookie. He's having a great year. Carson Schwessinger who's just been fantastic for the Browns. He has effectively replaced Jeremiah Cormo as best as possible in this defense. A former walk on at UCLA who ends up being a top end of the second round draft pick. I think he's still a strong candidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year based on how he's performed in his first season. He ranks in like the top twenty five among all linebackers according to PFF. He's in the top twenty and run defense and you just see it on the tape. He's another guy who's not afraid to get dirty to fire in with explosion. He's rangy, he can get from sideline to sideline. He's decent in pass coverage. He's the type of athletic linebacker that I think is a bit of a dying breed, even as we turn toward more sub packages. He's a guy that can play on all three downs. And he's been a big part for that defense, a big piece of it for sure.

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Speaker 3: When you're watching him, like, did you expect Ali this big of an impact right off the bat?

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Speaker 5: No, not this big of an impact.

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Speaker 4: I think he almost falls into that Diabolo boocket where he was built as Okay, we're gonna get all the coverage, chops, the coverage and rage, and Jiad Campbell has more of the size and power and like physical strength and maybe be more of the first down and force who can then survive on third down. He just walks in the league and it's just killing people at the point of attack. Day one, stood up mugged ub and then they run the ball at you when you're mugged up these days, and he's like, I don't care about it. I'm just gonna throw somebody to the floor and go get the ball. I did not expect to have this kind of all around impact. I thought he would really be a sub packaged piece coming in on passing downs and you would maybe figure out over time, how close can you get into the line of scrimage, how much can you play does in the trenches? Big boy on big boy football, So thim to be this impactful right away.

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Speaker 5: I agree with Shook.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the kind of the runaway defensive rookie of the year if you just go snap by snap, who plays like an all around pro and then is the position that takes three years to develop more than any other position in the league outside of maybe quarterback. And he's just stepped in day one as a top ten, top twelve linebacker. That's basically impossible to do, and so he deserves an award for that.

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Speaker 3: This is not an official entry, but Devin Bush has played pretty well for the time.

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Speaker 1: It kills me. He didn't want to sound like a Homer, but you're right, he's had a really good year.

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Speaker 2: Am I crazy? I'm like, wow, is that Devin Bush again? Devin Bush is pretty good at football? Suddenly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't want to sound like a Homer being in Cleveland and everything else, but he's made I mean, he even has his first interception in years in this season. He's I don't know if he's found the fountain of youth or if he's just in the right scheme with Jim Schwartz defense, but he's having a probably his best year or one of his best years.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit of both, which is like he's he's in a perfect situation and what Olli was saying in terms of sometimes you really do need that time to develop at that position. But especially I think they're Jim Schwartz in that defense helping him like focus on.

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Speaker 2: What he does well, Ali, who else do you got?

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Speaker 4: I was going to go with Justin Schernav from the Broncos. He was truly my beloved, but he's once again being bench because Drake Greenlaw has returned, and so I don't think you can put a bench player on the all underrated team, which is is sad. So I'm going to throw something out to the Titans fans and say that in Cedric Great, I believe you've found someone who can actually stand up and play on the field fee on so days behind Jeffrey Simmons, and that should be pretty exciting. Now he's right up there and like the role, like tackle date, the numbers, but none of it is empty calories to me. His range, his fight, he is still a complete roller coaster, particularly in coverage. He has lost constantly. But if you just put in between the tackles and in the box and allow him to kind of just play sit and find and sift and find football, which is a lot of early down stuff in the NFL. He's playing about as well as you could ever hopeful for a second year guy playing in that scheme behind the front that he's playing with.

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Speaker 3: That that is truly all underrated. I know this because we were we were my son wanted to play a game. I didn't want to bring the iPad to Chargers Eagles on Monday night when we're stuck in traffic on the way there, and he just wanted to play a game. You give me a depth chart position and I'll like name who the players are in the NFL, which is you know, makes me very proud of the son as a father that he suggested that game and I'm like, Titans linebacker and he's like, there's there's no chance that he's.

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Speaker 2: He's getting that. He threw it back on me and I was like, actually that. I was like, that's pretty tough.

00:24:05
Speaker 3: I did know Cedric Gray, but I was like, I would not have tabbed him for the all underrated team. And I, off the top of my head, I don't know who's even playing next to him right now in Tennessee.

00:24:13
Speaker 4: But Cody bought and doing an awful pointing at everyone else saying that's where the ball is going to go. And it's like, Cody, could you maybe fa over there for as we're paying you some money to maybe get a position to make some plays. Cedric Gray's play style and demeanor is just as E's al Shay put into another buddy. Now, that's always balderline. I'm reckless, and you get all the dumb penalties. But if that's your kind of linebacker, which is a throwback linebacker that you know, the thirty of thirty two coaches in the league like, yes, please sign me up for some of alha. Cedric Gray is the next incarnation of that.

00:24:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've just been waiting for the Brandon Spikes style of linebacker to come back into vogue. I mean, Alandon Roberts is having a long career there and he's kind of in that mold. All right, shuck, give me your other linebacker.

00:24:56
Speaker 1: A late arrival to my radar. We're going to the rams here in Nate Landman, who's having an excellent year. I mean, obviously he benefits from playing behind one of the top defensive fronts in football, but I'm not going to use that to take anything away from him, And the reason that he landed on my radar late was because, yes, I'd known about him and I'd appreciate his contributions. But he made one of the greatest interceptions I've seen from a guy at linebacker against on Kobe Brissett against the Cardinals last weekend. I just Johobe never saw him and he just full extension picks him off and I'm like, oh, And they had been talking about him on the broadcast earlier and I was like, yeah, you are giving him as due and he deserves that. But then he goes and makes a play almost on que I think that, you know, when you look at the Rams as a complete team and defensively, we always talk about that front four. We give credit to some of what they have in the secondary, but we seem to, I don't know, maybe overlook a bit of what they have at the second level. We should stop doing that because Nate Lanman's having a really good year.

00:25:48
Speaker 3: So Nate Landman signed a contract extension that I think slipped under the entire NFL's radar because it was over Thanksgiving. They got him in for three years, twenty two point five million, dollars extension. They basically signed him for nothing this offseason. I'd have to go check, but I'm guessing it was like a million dollars or something, or close to the minimum. The guarantee is only about fifteen million dollars. That's like for the next three years. They just got like a very low cost linebacker who can stay on the field, who is doing a little bit of everything if you want to know, like how to succeed while you're paying Pukin Nakua's next contract and whatever you're paying DeVante Adams if he's still on the team. It's like getting deals like that. Less need has done a good job drafting, and that was an amazing extension.

00:26:39
Speaker 2: Landman, I get it.

00:26:40
Speaker 3: I probably would do the same thing if I could imagine myself as an NFL player. But like, he could have made a lot more money, frankly if he if he waited till till he got to the open market.

00:26:49
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've loved watching him play too, eli Oh.

00:26:52
Speaker 5: I love the Landman. How could you not.

00:26:55
Speaker 4: The thing that is interesting about them in that linebacks in particular is that their threshold fringes, like just don't make mistakes all the fun stuff we do is in the front and then with the three safeties. Now not with Quinton Lake, but when we have Quentin Lake, that's where all the fun and games happens. Just be in the right spots on time and never make a mistake. And Nate Limon just duffed his cap and was like, I will not do that and pay me twenty one million dollars.

00:27:14
Speaker 5: And that's what they did.

00:27:15
Speaker 4: And that if that's the style of scheme you're running wedges, which is we'll keep the lineback of clean and you just float to the football and figure it out for us, is really really, really valuable. And yet they got a really cost effective deal.

00:27:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was with the Falcons previously and he has had a knack for making big plays and they've it's been interesting.

00:27:35
Speaker 2: They said goodbye to Ernest Jones.

00:27:37
Speaker 3: They had a lot of faith in Omar Spates, who's playing pretty well for them.

00:27:41
Speaker 2: There that's our linebackers.

00:27:43
Speaker 3: So let's take a quick break and we'll come back on the other side and we will do the defensive line.

00:27:49
Speaker 2: All underrated defense.

00:27:57
Speaker 3: Back on NFL Dailyday, Sickos just occurred to me.

00:28:02
Speaker 2: We're gonna have Saturday NFL Football pretty soon.

00:28:05
Speaker 3: That Bears Packers game is a Saturday night game in a couple of weeks, a few days before Christmas. If you're listening to this on Saturday, though it is officially Rosenthal Christmas right now, celebrate it early.

00:28:21
Speaker 2: It's the last.

00:28:22
Speaker 3: Weekend day I have free before they leave for Japan the following week. So you know, just just happy Rosenthal Christmas to me. Let's go to the edge defenders. A lot of options here. We'll start with Yushooki.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: Okay, So as we went into the season, we looked at the Detroit Lions and we thought, all right, they got Aiden Hutchinson, and they're already dealing with some injuries on the defensive front. And who's going to play opposite Aiden Hutchinson. Last year it was Zadarias Smith came in the middle of the year. What are they gonna do. I'll tell you what they're gonna do. They're gonna go to Alkadeen Muhammad and say, get us nine sacks, make some big plays in big spots on national television, and become just about his perd him of an edge rusher as Aiden Hutchinson this year, you don't believe me. I'll tell you about the numbers. He's fourth in quarterback pressure percentage among all edge rushers at sixteen and a half percent. That is zero point zero one percentage points behind Aiden Hutchinson, which means they're getting about similar production. And I talked about the nine sacks he's made a difference. It hasn't been entirely consistent from week to weeks. Sometimes he disappears, but man, in those big spots when they need a play, if it isn't Hutchinson, you see number ninety six and you're like, oh, yeah, that is that guy that blew up earlier this year. Look at him making a play again. So I love what he's done for the Lions this year.

00:29:32
Speaker 3: I think of him too, as like a hustle guy and he's going to clean it up. But we're watching him beat Terren Steel clean in that Thursday night game. Look, he started his career pretty well for the Colts, and then he was reduced to a point where he was just on the Lions practice squad. He was not even on an active roster. Anyone could have picked him up basically for free. But that's a good shout out, and it's just like they needed to get production from somewhere, and you can't count on Marcus Davin to stay healthy for long.

00:30:02
Speaker 4: My fear with the Lions defense in general is that they've become really siloed and really packaged. And we do this on one down, then we kind of change the defense on a sub down and we bring Mohammadan to do his thing, and I think that's why the production kind of ebbs and flows every week. The teams who have a good plan for knowing we can kind of get the lines into what we want to get them do they start shifting the front round With McNeil and Williams and Hutchinson, you can kind of dictate the terms to them in a way that I think could get you smoked in a playoff game, unfortunately. But he is a full on effort and hustle player. Great high five guy, great high five guy. He gets to the backfield, meets aiden says come on, buddy, a good job. So I like, I admire the effort, I admire the gumption. I think he's got a bit more juice than maybe I'm giving him credit for there. But as a one on one winner in the playoffs, when you're kind of tipping your hands on what you're doing as a defense. I have some reservations as a kind of second option alongside Aiden.

00:30:51
Speaker 3: Forget the playoffs, how about Saturday, I mean Sunday this week, get against the Rams. I am definitely concerned about how that defense is gonna look.

00:30:58
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that one, though. Give it. Give us an edge defender, Alley.

00:31:01
Speaker 4: I'm going with Nick Herbig with the Steelers, who I'm not sure is in any way underrated anymore, but I've had him listed on this team since he walked into the league. So I'm just going to persist with it until Mike Tomlin recognizes the brilliance before him and stops rolling him off the field. Whenever Alex Highsmith becomes healthy and available again. He is potentially the most explosive guy off the ball in the entire league, particularly from a two point stance. Miles lives in probably a tear of his own, but just as a straight juice fly off the ball. Herbig is right there with absolutely no defensive architecture to help a pass rusher out zero, and yet he flies off the ball. He wins inside, outside, spin, move, dip and rip, whatever you want. He is I think a massively difference making pass rusher, and yet he has to spend half of the season begging for snaps and so I find that very frustrating. Has played a lot more this season and we've been able to see the kind of impact he can make.

00:31:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I you know, when I was just writing down some names in case you guys didn't mention, just to give little shout outs, I was like, does her big still qualify? And Yeah, the answer is absolutely yes, because I think on a national level, people still don't realize he's that quality of a pass rusher. And if Mike Tomlin is only going to play him a combined I counted him up fifty six snaps the last two weeks in money time, like when they absolutely need it, then yes, he is still underrated.

00:32:22
Speaker 2: It I don't I don't get what it's fine buggling.

00:32:25
Speaker 4: And if you look at the way offenses treat him in terms of like double team rate, chip rate, like all the offenses get it. He's right there with like Will Anderson in terms of like how offense is a tribute resources to try to stop him while also having to deal with TJ.

00:32:37
Speaker 5: Watt.

00:32:38
Speaker 4: And yet the coach near the sidelines, like take him off the field. Alex Heisman is going back, and Alex Heisman is a good player, but TJ. Wall has a nick Hob excuse me, has a different level of juice coming off the ball.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one.

00:32:50
Speaker 3: There was one snap I remember citing earlier this season where I saw, you know, they're sending the help to Herbig and Watt's on the field and what makes a big play. And I was like, that's that's pretty cool that like her Big is setting up lot and it really says a lot.

00:33:05
Speaker 2: Who else do you got? Shock?

00:33:07
Speaker 1: So I found myself in this exercise kind of falling on a bunch of rookies. And maybe it's just because I'm like aspirational when it comes to this, and I'm optimistic and I just like to project outward. But like I look at both of the Falcons rookie edge rushers, which they spent two first round picks on, which we can argue about whether that was good for them long term, and I kind of mix and match between the two, Like I have Jalen Walker here because he's more consistent than James Pierce, but then James Pierce has also had a sack in each of his last five games. I'm not like a sacks driven guy or anything, but I do like the what Walker kind of brings to the table that you're able to project outward because he's just just very consistent. He's a PFF had a grading article the other day where they said he's one of the lowest negatively graded players in the rookie class, which I think bodes really well for you long term. That even if you're not showing up in the metrics or maybe it's not a per play basis where you're making a difference, disrupting the p or anything else, as long as you can put together consistent reps as a rookie, I think that bodes really well for you long term. So when you kind of dive into that he looks better and more reliable on a snap by snap basis. Then you pair that with Pierce, who has become more productive over the last month and a half, and I like the direction that they're headed in, even if they're maybe headed for a regime change as well.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: You got on the falcons for this trade. Ali.

00:34:21
Speaker 3: A lot of people did not the Jalen Walker pick, but going for Pierce it kind of reminds me of the Pelicans trade for any NBA fans out there, where everyone absolutely killed them for trading away there first for Derek Queen, and that was a bad trade. And yet Derek Queen is looking pretty good. Has Pierce convinced you at all that this trade wasn't completely insane.

00:34:42
Speaker 4: Not in the slightest No. I respect Shook's opinion mightily, as you know. I still think he's a one track player, and he is getting a tremendous amount of scheme protection and scheme help. And if he was just left in a one on one assignment in a downfall defense, I think he would get swallowed up and he'd have the three or four splash plays because he move off the ball like a few people in the NFL.

00:35:02
Speaker 5: Jalen Walker, though Choke's pig.

00:35:04
Speaker 4: I've told you before, I think we're dealing with something unbelievably special with this guy. I think he moves differently. The brain is a completely different speed to most rookies you see playing the block recognition, block destruction, as all these guys speak about in the offseason. To these young guys, no one sees it, reads it, and kills it as quick as this guy as a rookie. So you add that to then the physical makeup, which is all the potential is like a put the hand of the dort and get after it pass Russia.

00:35:28
Speaker 5: I think he's a truly, truly special which.

00:35:31
Speaker 3: Is crazy because they're asking him to do a lot of new things. But maybe you guys are more college guys than me. Maybe Kirby, I don't know. Maybe that defense is so crazy that they're somehow mentally prepared to do a lot of different things in the NFL.

00:35:44
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:35:45
Speaker 1: There's a reason how he Roseman keeps going back to the Georgia Well to get defenders. And it's not just you know, a circumstances. It's these players come NFL ready and they tend to be specimens. They're four and five star recruits. They spend three four years in Kirby's defense. They're ready, and you pair that with the athleticism, the natural talent, and you see why they produce as a rookie like Walker.

00:36:05
Speaker 4: Has who else you got Ali, I've got josh heinz Allen, who probably is not slightly as underrated now, but I don't think he's being discussed quite the level he's reached. Now he has the same number of quick pressures this year as Miles Garrett. Now Garrett has all the sacks and all the finishing and all the holy bleep did he just do that moments that josh heines Allen doesn't quite play that way. He's a bit more structured in the rush, so you can kind of like go past you if you don't have these, you know, breaking through a triple team as Miles Garrett did against the Patriots, if that's not quite there to like go viral or whatever. But in terms of consistent down to down production, he has just become a complete forceome menace. I watched last weekend him throw Quintin Nelson into the backfield and on the safety play that Riley Lennon had, that's josh heinz Allen coming in on the stun and flattening there. He goes throwing Quinton Nelson to the ground, give me the quarterback. So his burst, his speed to power. As I said, he's still kind of a in the bottom type pastorship, but that buck is pretty dunproductive.

00:37:03
Speaker 3: He also, you know, signed a contract in the twenty twenty four offseason, which is aging very well, like they do if you make them long enough. I know it's like an average per year over thirty four and a half, but the first few years is very reasonable.

00:37:21
Speaker 2: And he's done something which I think is very hard to do.

00:37:25
Speaker 3: He has probably been the Jaguars best player for three years straight, like three four years straight, not just on defense, just who is a better player on the jack like he has been the best player for their franchise for a number of years straight. And that kind of consistency is awesome. And and you're right, he doesn't get thought of as much. Who else should I should we just throughout little names? If do you have any other guy?

00:37:48
Speaker 1: I have a name? And going back to the rookies again, Donovan Azeraku in Dallas with the Cowboys. I love what he's shown so far. I think his trajectory not quite limitless, but pretty close. You know, he's good at pressuring quarterbacks, he's good at run stopping like he's gonna be one of the top rookies of this class. And I think that while we have spent so much time talking about how they got rid of Mike Parsons and everything else, I think they've done a fairly good job of reconstructing that front, and as a rock is going to be a key part of it.

00:38:15
Speaker 5: He has really blurry speed.

00:38:16
Speaker 4: He does have a little bit of the thing where if you're just really active of your hands and you move a lot, it looks like you're doing an awful amount, where sometimes better just be like controlled and understand what you're doing. But I admire the hustle. I admire his game an awful lot. The other guy I would throw in there will be Aya Dabi, who I think is in this Josh Haines Allen mode where it's like big, physical, imposing and attack the inside shoulder from out to in all power rush, and that is so incredibly valuable if you can get someone with real speed up the arc off the other side. And I think we saw it early in the season when Hassan Reddick was healthy, how different the books front look is at this like perfect blend of a guy who goes out to win and a guy who swoops around the arg And you kind of have to build a pass rushing package together with all the different skill sets. Not everyone's going to be Miles Garrett, Micah Parsons and be able to do every single thing for you, but Dabi is an incredibly effective valuable passwords.

00:39:02
Speaker 3: Show yeah the Abby with with the Buccaneers, he's been good Byron Young has had a breakout season for the Rams as an edge who's pretty good on on every down. And he's going to get a nice contract if it's if it's not from the Rams. And then just a shout to my beloved over the years, DeMarcus Lawrence, still getting it done. You can pick a lot of Seahawks really dark Larrence. Derek Hall is an interesting player who's just a really good player and very powerful. So's Lawrence. They they're different and yet they kind of remind me of each other. And so those guys have been underrated too. Let's go to the interior. We'll wrap it up here, Ali, who do you like?

00:39:41
Speaker 5: I'm going to go with a guy I think was on your old Vibes team.

00:39:43
Speaker 4: I'm going to go with Kobe Turner from the Rams and I watch him and I think that he's kind of the spiritual successor not quite this level. They'll want to be too hyperbolic just because of plays I love watching, but in kind of play style and how he sees and views and executes the game, to cam Heywood, where it's a lot of lateral quicks, it's a lot of smart it's a lot of understanding the angles and throwing guys the other way, and he's really quick moving laterally. That's kind of way he makes most of his money. But there's a real different level of understanding in tight confined spaces of how to play, how to address a block, how to free guys up to the limans of the wolf and go and get paid you know, Lemish maybe for you know, to a couple of dollars his way for that contract. He's an absolute molar and killer inside.

00:40:27
Speaker 3: And and such a nice guy off the field, which is why he made the Vibes team.

00:40:31
Speaker 2: Like just you you.

00:40:33
Speaker 3: Never know what, like the personality change is gonna be, but he just seems like a fun loving guy who loves to be out there playing ball.

00:40:40
Speaker 2: And he's like he's a wrecking ball. Who do you got shook?

00:40:43
Speaker 1: I try to kind of dig deep on this just because underrated. I wanted people that, like, you know, I run to a guy at the gym and he's talking to me about his team and like, yeah, but did you notice this guy in your team? They're like, no, I know his number though, and I'm going Jalen Redman, the defensive tackle for the Vikings. He has had a phenomenal season. Now, I know that they've had their struggles, but it seems on a week to week basis, he is always making a play in the backfield. He is stuffing the run. He's sixth among all defensive tackles according next Gen in run stops. His quarterback pressure percentage is near ten percent, which, as we know, that's pretty difficult to achieve as a defensive tackle if your name is not Aaron Donald. And he's like right somewhere between Videvea and John Franklin Myers in that category, which tells me, first year in the NFL, you're gonna have quite a good career. Not to mention, he's just a load, like, he's a guy that plays with tenacity and unbridled enthusiasm where he's just going at one hundred miles an hour all the time, and he's producing big plays as a result. So I think that you know, on a front that they also added like Jonathan Allen and everything, Redman's been the star and I think he's going to be continued to be a star. For them for years to come.

00:41:43
Speaker 3: I love like the no name defensive tackles. I'll just throw out, like the guys on the Texans, they're.

00:41:48
Speaker 2: Kind of nice.

00:41:49
Speaker 1: Yes, this is one of mine too.

00:41:51
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, just go go togy I, set Tim Settle whoever whoever you want.

00:41:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was all TOGII. This is a guy who came from Ohio State, who started with the Browns, who I thought had a lot of potential in really solid field in Cleveland. And he he's another guy where he's just on a week two week basis. You watched the Texans and suddenly out of nowhere, it's Tommy Togia I making a play and then it's a test of Ken the broadcaster properly pronounced his last name. There's a lot of guys won't, but he just consistently is in the backfield. He's great against the run, and he's another player that just plays with violence and desire that is just like never limited. And I think it's also because of the depth that they have up front that he's able to do that. But man, in so many key spots there's Tommy Togia, the old Buckeye, making a difference.

00:42:30
Speaker 2: Holly, who do you got on your for your interior guys?

00:42:33
Speaker 4: The last one I'm gonna go with. I went through about five or six different names. I'm gonna go with Maliite Collins from the Browns because he just got shut down for the season and I'm not sure we've ever seen a tenth year breakout stuff a guy who've just waited on and waited on on.

00:42:46
Speaker 2: Wait.

00:42:46
Speaker 4: I know he went to Kobe Bryant's clinic in Germany. Web it did some kind of blood spitting, but he came back with a level of burst off the ball I've never seen him play with, which you've waited for every ten years we've waited for this coming out of college, say is that player ever gonna make it in the NFL? He gets to Cleveland, they just say, hey, don't worry about anything that we're doing over then attack the quote about it. That's all we care about. And his into play with Miles Garrett was a huge part of the early season success they had, and it's going to be interest, I think to see what they look like down the stretch now that he's out.

00:43:16
Speaker 3: Disappointing that he was going to get rewarded for that too, he was a free agent. Selfishly too, I'm making these lists and just like the Raven signed Travis Jones on Thursday, and it's like, oh there's another name to cross off. Pretty good player, not perfect, but would have been a fun guy. And it's just like any one decent, You're just crossing them off these free agency lists. And unfortunately Emily Collins is going to get hurt. What you said you had five or six that the to chooser, I mean, you could give me so give us some rapid fire, even if they're not the official selections.

00:43:48
Speaker 2: Give give some people some love.

00:43:50
Speaker 4: I mean, we could keep going down with Christian Balmer and the bounce back year in New England after he's been being through health wise as being sensational. Claiuz Campbell, I don't think still quite recognizing. Obviously he's a ginormous name, but what he's doing in the production he's pinning up in that unit this season, to me is just out of control. You mentioned Tim Settle was a guy I had on my long list. I like going with with someone on that defensive line because everyone else gets all the credit on that defense, including my you know, great love Jalen Petree who is the glue that holds everything together. But having that rotation of guys in the interior to collapse the pocket up front is kind of what helps those two superstars on the outside out.

00:44:28
Speaker 1: I got one more. We're gonna go over to New York. We're gonna go to the Jets, a team that doesn't have a lot to smile about. Joan Briggs has had an excellent year for them in the interior. He's another guy like Togya that just consistently makes plays. He's kind of fits closer to the h Jalen Redmond mold. And maybe it's because he also is a former Brown And I've just had my eye on interior defensive lineman with potential. But I swear man every week. He seems to be one of the shining stars of this front. And there aren't a lot of them at this point. I mean, there were more on the edge than the interior. But he just consistently blows plays up. He splits double teams, he splits you know, zones games. He's got an innate sense for what's going on in front of him, and then he uses his strength and his power to finish plays off. I really like where he's headed in his career.

00:45:08
Speaker 3: I like that vigorous head nod from Ali when he heard Juwan Briggs.

00:45:12
Speaker 2: This is proof. It's the Saturday SIKO Show.

00:45:15
Speaker 3: Eric had Jwan Briggs tape ready, A national show is talking Juwan Briggs.

00:45:20
Speaker 2: Why the vigorous headshake.

00:45:22
Speaker 4: I just did a deep evaluation of him this week. I gotta believe show brought him up. It's so exciting. Yeah, I can't believe how good and impactful he is. Down to down now, there are some reps in the run game. He tries to split every double team and sometimes you do that and you get dog walked back into the linebacker. You are yeah, yeah, black, that's just the life you live. But he has really he has top end juice for it, like undersized interior linemen. And I can't believe they just kind of they lose Quinn Williams. He has replaced the production Quinn Williams was giving to the Jets. Quinn's obviously a significantly better player and is more impactful with the Cowboys, but the production he was actually offering the team early in the season has been replaced by Briggs.

00:46:00
Speaker 5: That was not something I was expecting.

00:46:01
Speaker 3: You know, Darren Mugie their GM weird offseason, but he has had a lot of good trades that he was a trade pick up. They by basically gave up nothing to hear. They picked up Harris and Phillips in a trade like he's been pretty useful like for them. And then you know the Sauce Gardner trade, that was like a little bit of a luckier that. You know, the Colts traffick is getting better and better. But I think he did pretty well in the Quinn Williams and Sauce Garter trade. So Darren Moogie getting it done. I was listening to the All phl Y podcast. They were talking about who was their defensive MVP this year and they had Jordan Davis on the podium.

00:46:38
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, he could.

00:46:39
Speaker 3: That seems a little a little much, but it has been the best Jordan Davis season certainly. Eventually, I think they settled on Yes, Cooper Deen Quinian Mitchell are better players and more valuable, but in terms of like beating expectations for what they thought and has been really important to them, Jordan Davis has had a nice year. And then an annual guy I always think is undert there always like a couple of guys like this that they just float around, they sign late, or just team brings them back in the last seconds, like day Quon Jones for the Buffalo Bills, Like you just put them back in there and he'll eat some innings for you and he'll be totally solid. And he's like been doing that his entire Career's like one of those guys never gets any respects.

00:47:16
Speaker 2: A little love for Daque.

00:47:17
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one more shout out Tierre Tart with the Chargers. I told you there are multiple Chargers here. I just love what he's done this year. I love the way he started this season battan down passes against the Chiefs in Week one, and his grades are really good too. And he's another guy that, like you got to have to watch closely to see the difference that he makes. But I'm a big fan. I don't know. Maybe I'm just I'm partial to big interior lineman who blow things up and make a difference that nobody really pays attention to. That might just be my thing, I.

00:47:41
Speaker 2: Think it's everyone's thing.

00:47:42
Speaker 3: It we're dangerously close to just like a naming some guys podcast.

00:47:46
Speaker 4: There's nothing that's excited to be mold and being on a Dude's Naming Guys podcast with Nick Schoke, that's like all I ever.

00:47:51
Speaker 5: Wanted in my career. It's finally happened.

00:47:54
Speaker 4: The last couple of names I would just like to read out to you is the Denver Broncos guys get I feel like zero love nationally. It's just it's just penciled in that they are great. Vance gets a lot of the credit, and deservedly so because he just operates at a different level to most people in the league. But you look through their roster, how deep they run, the volume of packages they run, and how those guys got to the team. One of them is just obviously Zach Allen comes with Vans. It's like if I'm coming to Denver, Zach is coming with me, or I'm not taking the gig. But the rest of it is all these undrafted guys. However, we mentioned justin Strnad earlier is a late round pick. It's McMillan, it's Singleton, it's Tilman, it's Roach. It's just all these undrafted guys leading this historic level of defense. And yes, they've got Benito and Cooper in these absolute speeds is off the edge. But the pieces that tied together are all these just well coached, well drilled, nowhere to be type players.

00:48:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait to see what they look like in this stretch run where they have like very difficult game after very difficult game. It starts on Sunday against the Packers. That's the next time will be in your feed for the big time week whatever we have fifteen recap the retron has started thanks to Ali, thanks to Shook. Glad we got you tube together, made this magic happen. But we can do it again. We can do another name that some guys podcast, Ali and Shook. We will see you on Sunday night. Shook will be there with myself, Jordan and Patrick. We will see them