Bush "Sixteen Stone" (1994): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Hello, my friends, this is your PALZ from Warsaw, Indiana
<v Speaker 1>and you are listening to the Surely You Can't Be
<v Speaker 1>Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Ye hello everybody, and welcome back to the shore That
<v Speaker 2>you Can't Be Serious Podcast. We are here to talk
<v Speaker 2>about Bush. I'm confused. We were on our ninety four
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four albums. Why are we talking about a
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies jazz influenced Canadian rock band.
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, not the Canadian Bush, the British Bush.
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh crap. I did all that research. Well, you
<v Speaker 2>know what they say, one Bush feels like any other.
<v Speaker 1>I knew the Bush shows that I come.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sorry, guys, we will keep it PG. Thirteen. But
<v Speaker 2>the thirteen is gonna be heavy on this one heavy Bush.
<v Speaker 2>So we've been taed. We've been talking about pounding out
<v Speaker 2>some Bush for the last three weeks. It's it never
<v Speaker 2>is not funny.
<v Speaker 1>This is gonna get me in trouble. I until already.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm super excited to talk about this album. This
<v Speaker 2>is the first of the nineteen ninety four albums that
<v Speaker 2>I owned the CD in nineteen probably ninety five, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>probably ninety five. Yeah, But I mean, heck, I wore
<v Speaker 2>that sucker out. I still own it. I had lost
<v Speaker 2>the one from the nineties, but I came across it
<v Speaker 2>again in the five dollars bin at Walmart, and I'm like, heck, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>physical media, baby, it's always better.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>You get the full sound. It's not that Spotify one
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty eight kilobyte junk. It's the full deal,
<v Speaker 2>and it is freaking awesome. I love this album.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad. This is kind of a new experience
<v Speaker 1>for me. I knew the hits, I mean they were
<v Speaker 1>really unavoidable on rock radio, right, but I didn't know
<v Speaker 1>the sort of off beaten track of songs.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well there, we're gonna have some interesting things
<v Speaker 2>come back up from previous episodes. I'm excited to kind
<v Speaker 2>of blow your mind with some little tidbits. But I
<v Speaker 2>can tell you to start off with, and I'll give
<v Speaker 2>the details later. This British bush really is an American bush,
<v Speaker 2>if you will, and I'll explain that later on. But
<v Speaker 2>you typically when we start these episodes, you've got me,
<v Speaker 2>you give me some info about what's going on in
<v Speaker 2>ninety four, So you got something for me to Yeah, I.
<v Speaker 1>Mean, so not a lot really going on. In December
<v Speaker 1>of ninety four, I can tell you though Friends debuted
<v Speaker 1>that September. It was kind of the hot new TV
<v Speaker 1>show that fall. Yeah, And in December of ninety four,
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you exactly what I was doing. I
<v Speaker 1>took my mom, I took my roommate, I took my dad,
<v Speaker 1>and took my sister. We all went and saw Dumb
<v Speaker 1>and Dumber at the movie theater because that was the
<v Speaker 1>big movie at the theater.
<v Speaker 2>Well, in December of ninety four, I was dropping out
<v Speaker 2>of college, is what I was doing. I can tell
<v Speaker 2>you that. Yes, I had just finished my first semester
<v Speaker 2>at the University of Arkansas, and I was like, this sucks.
<v Speaker 2>My grades are terrible. I'm gonna go do something.
<v Speaker 1>Else in my world. In December of ninety four, I
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, let's give business a try, because this
<v Speaker 1>might be my last shot at this deal. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all right, well let's dive into this album.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah heck yeah, let's open it up right now. First
<v Speaker 2>song out of the box. Hey, okay, so okay, you
<v Speaker 2>said let's go, and then you sad.
<v Speaker 1>Before we jump into the album tracks, I just want
<v Speaker 1>to say this was released December sixth of ninety four.
<v Speaker 1>There's an interesting story. This album was ready to go
<v Speaker 1>in April of ninety four.
<v Speaker 2>This is the story that I'm excited to talk to you.
<v Speaker 1>Let's hold on to that. Okay, Well, let's dive in
<v Speaker 1>the first track on the album.
<v Speaker 2>First track on the album, everything's in Okay, what do
<v Speaker 2>you think.
<v Speaker 1>Man, first Killer Killer right out of the game.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is fantastic. And you mentioned just a bit
<v Speaker 2>ago like that. This album was recorded in early ninety
<v Speaker 2>four and was ready to go by April. And there's
<v Speaker 2>a story there and it relates somewhat to these lyrics.
<v Speaker 2>So says, should I fly to Los Angeles find my
<v Speaker 2>toll brother Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow. That's
<v Speaker 2>going to be a confusing thing, right, Yeah, that's okay.
<v Speaker 2>So here's here is the story. I said they were
<v Speaker 2>an American bush because in their home country they were
<v Speaker 2>playing at shitty little pubs like fifty guy pubs and
<v Speaker 2>not having any success. And Gavin Rossdale, you know, we've
<v Speaker 2>talked about this pre episode of you know, he was
<v Speaker 2>in a different band. They had some success, but I
<v Speaker 2>mean it was really like they're scraping along and he's
<v Speaker 2>been doing it for several years now, but they finally
<v Speaker 2>get a break because somebody recognizes them in America. Right
<v Speaker 2>they are they are having no success in the UK, right,
<v Speaker 2>but they have a little bit of a hint of
<v Speaker 2>an idea of maybe this this band can work in
<v Speaker 2>America because they have an American sound.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they sound like the British version.
<v Speaker 2>Of Nirvana kind of. Yeah. And there's a there's a
<v Speaker 2>reason for that, and I'll talk about that in a
<v Speaker 2>minute too. But what happens is this guy named Bob
<v Speaker 2>Kahane is with Hollywood Records, Okay, yep, and he recognizes
<v Speaker 2>them as having a bunch of potential. And so Bob
<v Speaker 2>Kahan goes to Disney Disney. Walt Disney, No, not Walt Disney,
<v Speaker 2>the company Disney. This is the nineties. Well, Walt's been
<v Speaker 2>buried under the Epcot Center for twenty years at this point. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So he goes to them, and the president of Disney,
<v Speaker 2>his name's Frank Wells. He's like, yeah, I think this
<v Speaker 2>is a good band. They've got potential, sounds great. Keep
<v Speaker 2>in mind, they're playing fifty guys over in the UK, right,
<v Speaker 2>and nobody's ever heard of them anywhere, and so he's
<v Speaker 2>got the backing of the President of Disney, and so
<v Speaker 2>he's good to go. This album is going to be
<v Speaker 2>a greenlit thing. We're good to go, right then. Easter
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, Okay, the album is finished, hasn't been
<v Speaker 2>released yet. Frank Wells, president of Disney, goes hella skiing
<v Speaker 2>with Clint Eastwood, like they're stop, they're hanging out their buddies.
<v Speaker 2>They're hanging out, I mean President Wow, of course, right,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so they're out and they've done this
<v Speaker 2>helicopter skiing and the weather is starting to get a
<v Speaker 2>little dicey, and Clint Eastwood leaves and it takes about
<v Speaker 2>an hour before Frank Wells's helicopter is able to leave,
<v Speaker 2>but they leave kind of as the storm is coming
<v Speaker 2>up and they have to land not too much longer
<v Speaker 2>and try to wait the storm out. Well that's what
<v Speaker 2>they do. They wait the storm out. But because of
<v Speaker 2>all the snow fault that happens once they do take off,
<v Speaker 2>the engine freezes up. The helicopter crashes into the side
<v Speaker 2>of the mountain and Frank Wells and the pilot and
<v Speaker 2>another passenger are all killed. Whoa and so now the
<v Speaker 2>guy who was their guy, the president of Disney, saying yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we've got it, he's not backing it anymore. And all
<v Speaker 2>of the executives at Disney, this is what they say.
<v Speaker 2>No singles, no album tracks, and the album is killed
<v Speaker 2>before it even gets started.
<v Speaker 1>Now, okay, see stop right there, because it's one thing
<v Speaker 1>to say you don't have any singles. It's another thing
<v Speaker 1>to say you don't have any singles. And also there's
<v Speaker 1>no good songs to put on an album.
<v Speaker 2>What that's really terrible?
<v Speaker 1>You have zero songs?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so that includes bang is that we know and love. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know in timing wise, how they've they've
<v Speaker 2>got this. Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow thing.
<v Speaker 2>But I just feel like it has to be a
<v Speaker 2>reference to these executives going, I don't hear anything good
<v Speaker 2>on this album at all. Like, it's not album tracks,
<v Speaker 2>it's not singles, it's nothing. We're gonna kill it. But
<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, Bob Kahane is friends with a
<v Speaker 2>guy named Kevin Weatherley, and that may be somebody that
<v Speaker 2>most of our listeners have never heard of, but he
<v Speaker 2>was the head of a little radio station called KRO
<v Speaker 2>in La, and so Bob Kahane still has a couple
<v Speaker 2>of these demo tracks, including Everything's in this song we're
<v Speaker 2>listening to now and Little Things I Believe was the
<v Speaker 2>other one. Kevin Weatherley Bob Khayan, another mutual friend, have
<v Speaker 2>dinner one night and Bob Kahane says, here's you know,
<v Speaker 2>here's two tracks from this album, and he gives them
<v Speaker 2>some other artists to listen to. He says, I think
<v Speaker 2>they've got a lot of potential. I'd love it if
<v Speaker 2>you listened to him. Well, Kevin Weatherley doesn't even remember
<v Speaker 2>what other group was, but he thinks, okay, this has
<v Speaker 2>got potential, and then he plays it in his office
<v Speaker 2>the next day, and then plays it in his office
<v Speaker 2>the next day again, and he's like, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>this is good stuff. We're putting this into the rotation
<v Speaker 2>at k Rock in La. I'm so excited to wear this.
<v Speaker 2>This is going right. Okay, Okay, So, because k Rock
<v Speaker 2>is so influential, all of the alternative stations hear this
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, heck, if they're playing it, we
<v Speaker 2>should be playing it. And that's when this little magic
<v Speaker 2>thing happens. Now, keep in mind these guys all thought, hey,
<v Speaker 2>we got signed to Hollywood Records. We're finally going to
<v Speaker 2>have a record deal. Maybe we're going to get out
<v Speaker 2>of playing these crappy little cubs. And then they find
<v Speaker 2>out our record deal is dead. They go back to
<v Speaker 2>working menial labor jobs. Levin Rozdell was going to be
<v Speaker 2>a painter. Yeah. For three months, they're they're blue collaring it, right,
<v Speaker 2>that's right, and playing again, playing clubs on the weekends. Right,
<v Speaker 2>you know. It's just scraping by as a musician in
<v Speaker 2>the UK. And so even though Hollywood Records has killed
<v Speaker 2>their deal, the music starts to play, it starts to
<v Speaker 2>catch on, and this guy who I've talked about in
<v Speaker 2>a recent episode happens to hear their music on k Rock.
<v Speaker 2>His name is Ted Fields. Recognize that name?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 2>No, okay, well I'm going to refresh your memory. He
<v Speaker 2>started off doing Formula one racing and then he decided, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start a company called Interscope Communications that's
<v Speaker 2>going to make movies. And his finances come from the
<v Speaker 2>fact that he's an heir to a newspaper fortune out
<v Speaker 2>of Chicago. And the big hit that he has with
<v Speaker 2>Interscope Communications is a little movie we just covered called
<v Speaker 2>Revenge of the Nerds. So Ted Field, the same guy
<v Speaker 2>who hits it big with Revenge of the Nerds. Ten
<v Speaker 2>years later, nineteen ninety four, hears Bush on k Rock
<v Speaker 2>and says, Interscope Records, my new company that I formed
<v Speaker 2>in eighty nine, which is now a big deal, will
<v Speaker 2>be the one that distributes this album. And because of that,
<v Speaker 2>that's how the world knows who Bush is.
<v Speaker 1>The same guy gave us Revenge of the Nerds basically
<v Speaker 1>is responsible for Bush as well. You've got it, We've
<v Speaker 1>got Bush. That is fantastic. Yeah, that's fantastic. Hey, I
<v Speaker 1>did find this up. I mean, just to go along
<v Speaker 1>with your story, Bush was featured on k Rock as
<v Speaker 1>Catch of the Day, right, and which that was a
<v Speaker 1>big deal. When you're named catch of the day on
<v Speaker 1>kay Rock, that's a big deal. Do you remember the
<v Speaker 1>last time we talked about a song that was catch
<v Speaker 1>of the day.
<v Speaker 2>On k Rock? No, I remember talking about kay Rock,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't remember catch of the Day.
<v Speaker 1>It was how Great White got their big start. Oh yes,
<v Speaker 1>that's right, So there you go. They were originally going
<v Speaker 1>to drop this in April of ninety four. They killed
<v Speaker 1>the record. Then they said, okay, we're going to give
<v Speaker 1>you a January of ninety five release, But because this
<v Speaker 1>song was so popular, they're like, well, let's push it
<v Speaker 1>up before Christmas. December of ninety four.
<v Speaker 2>There you go.
<v Speaker 1>I've got something for you on this though. This is
<v Speaker 1>the cool thing. Okay, So this is the first single.
<v Speaker 1>The lyrics of this song reference a David Bowie song
<v Speaker 1>Life on Mars. Tom Waite, do you remember when we
<v Speaker 1>talked about him, I do Jane's addiction. There's a song
<v Speaker 1>called ted Just Admit It where it says her sex
<v Speaker 1>is violent.
<v Speaker 2>Saxon Vis.
<v Speaker 1>Smells Saxon, and that's where you get the line there's
<v Speaker 1>no sex in your violence, right Alison Chains's Wood, which
<v Speaker 1>we've broken down before.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and Elvis Presley is mentioned in that song Fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Before we move on from this song. In nineteen ninety six,
<v Speaker 1>there's a little band that starts opening for Bush and
<v Speaker 1>they open for him for three months.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>They're called No Doubt.
<v Speaker 2>It's familiar with them.
<v Speaker 1>They're going to play a bigger part in the story
<v Speaker 1>here in just a minute. Yes, But the lead singer
<v Speaker 1>of No Doubt, it's this cute little girl named Gwen Stefani. Yes, well,
<v Speaker 1>she and Gavin Rostelle start up a relationship. Yes, And
<v Speaker 1>in order to tease them, the people in the band
<v Speaker 1>changed this name from Everything Zen to Everything.
<v Speaker 2>Gwenn Subtle and they live happily ever after clever, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>happily ever after for quite a while. All right, next song,
<v Speaker 2>next song on the album swim. Okay, So this was
<v Speaker 2>not a single, but I gotta say I love this song.
<v Speaker 2>This is very worthy of a number two spot on
<v Speaker 2>this album. It's got almost a jazz feel to the
<v Speaker 2>breakdown of the song, where it's you know, you've just
<v Speaker 2>got the drum and the singing, and then you get
<v Speaker 2>a little blast, like a bluesy blast of guitar, although
<v Speaker 2>this is the heavily distorted guitar of hard rock music.
<v Speaker 2>It's that kind of singing, the snappy little and.
<v Speaker 1>Then this sounds like a great concert song.
<v Speaker 2>Heck, yeah, so this one is another example of the
<v Speaker 2>quiet loud quiet effect.
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, that's definitely right.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's because Gavin Rosdale is a huge Pixies fan, right.
<v Speaker 2>That is actually how he and Nigel Pulsford first hit
<v Speaker 2>it off in their conversations where they started talking about
<v Speaker 2>the Pixies.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I gotta stop you right there. Do you know
<v Speaker 1>where they met? No, tell me, Yeah, they met at
<v Speaker 1>a Brian Adams concert in Wimbley Stadium in nineteen ninety one.
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that's that's right around the time he was with
<v Speaker 2>Tina Turner. Right.
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean we covered Reckless just a while back.
<v Speaker 1>But there's at least a one in twenty chance that
<v Speaker 1>they met while Ryan Adams was playing Everything I Do
<v Speaker 1>for You fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>That is fantastic. Just on that note, he mentioned in
<v Speaker 2>an interview that I was listening to that he you know,
<v Speaker 2>back in those days, people bought albums sometimes just because
<v Speaker 2>of the album cover. And he says he can remember
<v Speaker 2>buying the Pixies album. You know, that dancing woman that's
<v Speaker 2>on the front of it just kind of caught of
<v Speaker 2>his attention and he just fell in love with the album.
<v Speaker 2>And then he said something that I thought was crazy,
<v Speaker 2>Like he first thing he would do when he got
<v Speaker 2>an album was he would open it up to the
<v Speaker 2>thanks page, you know where the band thanks all their people. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because he was like, I want to know who they're thinking.
<v Speaker 2>I've obviously have no idea who those are? People are either,
<v Speaker 2>but they're the people who are hanging out with the
<v Speaker 2>people that I want to hang out with, so I
<v Speaker 2>want to know more about them, right, Okay, So then
<v Speaker 2>that brought around the idea of well, who did you
<v Speaker 2>think on sixteen stone? Well, one of the people that
<v Speaker 2>he thinks is a girl named Lindsay, who was his
<v Speaker 2>first girlfriend, Yes, and the love of his life as
<v Speaker 2>he describes it, you know those those first girlfriends frequently
<v Speaker 2>are what he says. And the thanks is giving a
<v Speaker 2>thanks to miss Thurno because he thought that would be cute,
<v Speaker 2>like he took time, he and apparently she called him
<v Speaker 2>up after it and was like, what the hell is
<v Speaker 2>that supposed to me? Really? Yes, he was like, I
<v Speaker 2>don't what why are you mad? Like I thought this,
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was a sweet, sweet thing. And she's like, no,
<v Speaker 2>what the pick are you thinking? Putting thanks and putting
<v Speaker 2>miss Thurno on there, And he says, well, probably nobody's
<v Speaker 2>gonna listen to his album many probably nobody will buy it.
<v Speaker 2>You'll be fine.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for letting me sneak and kiss behind the gymnasium
<v Speaker 1>at school.
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, yeah, there you go. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's cool.
<v Speaker 2>That's a good story. Speaking of things is happening behind
<v Speaker 2>the gymnasium at the schoolhouse. The first lyrics of this song,
<v Speaker 2>could not believe came here today. Helmet was on you
<v Speaker 2>blew me Away? Houses on fire were naked again. Maybe
<v Speaker 2>all we need is water and friends. We think he's
<v Speaker 2>talking about there, I'm going sex. Yeah, blew him away? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>good thing he's wearing a helmet. That's right. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Next song on the album is called bomb.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So this song they wrote back when they were
<v Speaker 2>still under their old band name. Yeah, they started out
<v Speaker 2>as Future Primitive terrible name. It is terrible. It is
<v Speaker 2>a terrible name. And I think I mentioned in an
<v Speaker 2>episode past that I went into guitar center and there
<v Speaker 2>was a couple of kids in there who started playing
<v Speaker 2>guitar together, and I was blown away and how good
<v Speaker 2>they were. Like I'm thinking they're teenagers, and they're like
<v Speaker 2>blowing my mind, Like, hey, teenagers still play music on
<v Speaker 2>real instruments. This is fantastic. And so I'm like, hey, guys,
<v Speaker 2>you have a band. They're like yeah, And I'm like, cool,
<v Speaker 2>tell me the name. I'm gonna go check you guys
<v Speaker 2>out and They're like, it's called Wet Muscles and I
<v Speaker 2>was like okay, and they're like, we know, it's a
<v Speaker 2>terrible name and I was like yeah, and they're like,
<v Speaker 2>but it's memorable, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's true.
<v Speaker 2>So guys, if you are in the Oklahoma City area,
<v Speaker 2>go check out Wet Muscles. Young band playing real music
<v Speaker 2>out there. And it was great because I'm listening to
<v Speaker 2>this guy kill this lead guitar thing and started talking
<v Speaker 2>to him. He's like, actually I'm the drummer. I'm like wow, wow, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, yes, great band. But back to what I
<v Speaker 2>was saying on this one written while they're still called
<v Speaker 2>Future Primitive, which is a terrible name, and so fortunately
<v Speaker 2>they decided to change their name.
<v Speaker 1>It was released as Future Primitive. How about that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>So I mean there's a song out in the world
<v Speaker 1>under the name Future Primitive.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this song bomb. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Now, that name is not as bad as sixty wrong Sausages,
<v Speaker 1>which was Weezer's name at one point, right, right, right.
<v Speaker 1>This was on the soundtrack for tank Girl. Okay, there
<v Speaker 1>are three songs on this album that made soundtracks.
<v Speaker 2>Zack Snyder's Tank Girl.
<v Speaker 1>Right, I think so I have no idea. I know
<v Speaker 1>Lori Petty is in okay.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the last song we talked about where
<v Speaker 1>it references a bomb.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was back in her Green Day episode.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right, the song having a Blast that we
<v Speaker 1>talked about last week on the Dukie album.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is the one I can remember back
<v Speaker 2>in the day that I was had this album, was
<v Speaker 2>listening to it, you know, chatting up a girl at
<v Speaker 2>the bar or whatever, and she was talking about how
<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend didn't like Bush because they sounded just like
<v Speaker 2>a yeah the band. He didn't like them because they
<v Speaker 2>sounded like a British knockoff of Pearl Jam and Nirvana
<v Speaker 2>and some of these other Seattle bands, right right. And
<v Speaker 2>she and her point, which I thought was very well taken.
<v Speaker 2>She's like, well, come on, Green Day is just a
<v Speaker 2>knockoff of all of the British punk bands, right, And
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, well, yeah, I mean even back
<v Speaker 2>in ninety four ninety five people had this idea, but
<v Speaker 2>this song Bomb is one of those ones that really
<v Speaker 2>has a very Nirvana sound. Absolutely well. If you'll go
<v Speaker 2>back to our first season when we covered Nevermind versus Ten,
<v Speaker 2>we talked about how Kurt Cobain also loved the Pixies.
<v Speaker 2>There you go, If the bands are influenced by the
<v Speaker 2>same band, then they're gonna have a similar sound of
<v Speaker 2>their songs.
<v Speaker 1>Right, makes sense on that subject. There is another thing
<v Speaker 1>that Kurt Cobain loved that also, Gavin Rossdale loves.
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's true. That is true.
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that, Courtney love. Yeah, was shared between
<v Speaker 1>these two men. Yeah, yeah, shoot, that dang, that's right.
<v Speaker 1>He had a little tryst with her obviously after Kurt's
<v Speaker 1>suicide ninety six. Yeah, So that's interesting that you you
<v Speaker 1>say ninety six because it was in ninety five that
<v Speaker 1>he started dating Gwen Stefani. So that means, oh, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I'm hearing ross here. They were on a break, not necessarily, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and I think those lines were a little blurry there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Apparently they went out for about eight months in
<v Speaker 2>ninety five and ninety six. Courtney said, everyone gave me
<v Speaker 2>so much shit because Gavin sounded a lot like Kurt. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, obviously that ended and she he got back
<v Speaker 2>together with Gwen Stefani. They got married in two thousand
<v Speaker 2>and two. They have three sons together, born in May
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, August two thousand and eight, and
<v Speaker 2>February twenty fourteen.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's hold that story for a bit later. I've
<v Speaker 1>got some more stuff for you on that, all right, Okay, okay, cool.
<v Speaker 1>Next song, next song.
<v Speaker 2>On the album. Song you might have heard of before.
<v Speaker 2>The song's called Little Things the Banger. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>It is banger, and it does sound a lot like
<v Speaker 2>smells like teen Spirit as well. It kind of does, right,
<v Speaker 2>But it's so freaking good. You know, they even recognize
<v Speaker 2>now Pixies are an American band. He liked American music
<v Speaker 2>like he liked that sound, as do a lot of
<v Speaker 2>We've covered so many bands that they're like, the British
<v Speaker 2>guys are pulling from the American side, the American guys
<v Speaker 2>are pulling from the British side. And so I don't
<v Speaker 2>know why these guys seem to get more heat about
<v Speaker 2>it than anybody else. I mean, we talked about bon
<v Speaker 2>Jovi and Richie Sambora sitting on a box of tapes,
<v Speaker 2>listening to the tapes trying to figure out what licks
<v Speaker 2>they're going to steal and what melody they're going to
<v Speaker 2>steal for their next album. Right, it happens all of
<v Speaker 2>the time. But before they had recorded this record, realized
<v Speaker 2>that they had an American sound. They literally picked their producers,
<v Speaker 2>Clive Langer and Alan winstonly because they're British and they
<v Speaker 2>wanted to have a more British sound to their music. Now,
<v Speaker 2>these guys had produced a ton of stuff, including a
<v Speaker 2>lot of Elvis Costello stuff, and that's how the band
<v Speaker 2>ended up going with them. Clive Langer actually co wrote
<v Speaker 2>the Elvis Costello song Shipbuilding, which is huge. He had
<v Speaker 2>done all these Elvis Costello bands things he had composed.
<v Speaker 2>He ended up later on composing music for a couple
<v Speaker 2>of movies called Still Crazy about an old kind of
<v Speaker 2>washed up singer Okay, and this one's great. I really
<v Speaker 2>want to check this out. A movie called Brothers of
<v Speaker 2>the Head. It is a mockumentary about a rock band
<v Speaker 2>whose lead singer is a conjoined twin.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I want to check that one out.
<v Speaker 2>It looked really good. He'd been a guitarist for the
<v Speaker 2>cult band Deaf School, where his punk name was Cliffhanger
<v Speaker 2>instead of Clive Langer. That's funny, and had played Yes
<v Speaker 2>and had played with Big in Japan, which of course
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<v Speaker 1>So we got a big back catalog too. There are
<v Speaker 1>a lot of great stuff out there. Yeah, Okay, here's
<v Speaker 1>the thing that blew me away. Gavin Rossdale Bush is
<v Speaker 1>not his first band. No, it's not even his first
<v Speaker 1>signed band.
<v Speaker 2>No.
<v Speaker 1>He was in a band called Midnight Yeah in the eighties. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and I listened to their stuff. It sounds a lot
<v Speaker 1>like in Excess to me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That was even a comment that somebody made about
<v Speaker 2>Bush before Bush had recorded this album, was that they
<v Speaker 2>kind of sounded like a commercial in Excess band.
<v Speaker 1>They opened for Cindy Lauper and Big Country.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the band Midnight he had started with a
<v Speaker 2>guy named Sascha Putman. Because I mean, we talked about it.
<v Speaker 2>Gavin Rossdale is a very pretty man, right, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>he's a good looking, a good looking guy, and so,
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of good looking kids back in the eighties,
<v Speaker 2>he would go to dance clubs and you know, try
<v Speaker 2>to hook up or whatever. And Sacha Putnam was another
<v Speaker 2>one of these dance club kids, and so they put
<v Speaker 2>together this band called Midnight. Now, Midnight had a not
<v Speaker 2>a successful song, but a decent hit. What was it called?
<v Speaker 1>That song is called King of the Mountain, King of
<v Speaker 1>the Mountain. Let's listen to it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, King of the Mountain.
<v Speaker 1>That's in excessy.
<v Speaker 2>It is very very similar to in excess And looking
<v Speaker 2>at the album cover, it looked like he was kind
<v Speaker 2>of borrowing that style as well, just like Michael Hutchins.
<v Speaker 2>He did. He had the long hair, he had the
<v Speaker 2>ear ring. It was. It was very much there. Now,
<v Speaker 2>what's interesting that that band was called Midnight. There's another
<v Speaker 2>song called King of the Mountain that's pretty popular by
<v Speaker 2>Midnight Oil, which I think has to be Wow and.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know eighty seven, that's when that came out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Wow. Little Things was such a powerhouse down
<v Speaker 2>great song, such a powerhouse.
<v Speaker 1>All right, quick word on the music video d This
<v Speaker 1>video was shot in January and February of ninety five
<v Speaker 1>at an old mansion in Long Island, New York and
<v Speaker 1>LA at the Band Studio. Video was directed by Matt Mhurran,
<v Speaker 1>who also directed Everything's In. Did you know that Davin
<v Speaker 1>Ross now goes on to do acting after this?
<v Speaker 2>Like? He's been in several movies?
<v Speaker 1>What? Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So he was in Constantine. He was Balthazar in Constantine.
<v Speaker 1>Really Yep.
<v Speaker 2>He was in the Blame Ring with Emma Watson.
<v Speaker 1>Emma Watson.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was in an episode of Hawaii five. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>not the old one, but the new one. Okay, he
<v Speaker 2>was in an episode of Burn. Notice he was in
<v Speaker 2>an episode of Criminal Minds. I mean it's he's got
<v Speaker 2>a lot of acting credits to his name.
<v Speaker 1>Listen, this guy's a good looking guy, keeps himself in shape. No,
<v Speaker 1>he's the product of a a doctor and a model.
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen a picture of his mother? No? Huh?
<v Speaker 2>She beautiful so interestingly like his she's Scottish. His dad
<v Speaker 2>is Russian Jewish. I'm thinking of Adam Sindler and his
<v Speaker 2>song and his happy Hanika song talking about people you
<v Speaker 2>didn't know were half Jewish Gavin Rossdale because they changed
<v Speaker 2>their name from Rosenthal to Rossdale. Oh how about that?
<v Speaker 2>There you go? There you go. Things you only learn
<v Speaker 2>on the Chirly podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. Okay, this song
<v Speaker 2>is incredible, but we have to keep on moving. But
<v Speaker 2>good news. The next song is another banger. This is
<v Speaker 2>the song come Down.
<v Speaker 1>It just come here, right back down the size good time.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Jason, I have to ask you this question. I
<v Speaker 2>think if anybody's gonna be on the same page as
<v Speaker 2>me for this, it's gonna be you.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>When you hear this bass introduction, does it make you
<v Speaker 2>think of any song from the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>It's a slowed down bass line from Living on a Prayer.
<v Speaker 2>It's really like I remember back in ninety five hearing
<v Speaker 2>this song for the first time and thinking, dude, they
<v Speaker 2>stole this riff from bon Jovi. But as far as
<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm the only person who's made that connection.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anybody else who's said that. But man,
<v Speaker 2>unmistakable how close those two basslines are.
<v Speaker 1>How about that?
<v Speaker 2>There you go?
<v Speaker 1>All right? So come Down is to me, this is
<v Speaker 1>the best song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>Oh nice, Yeah, I love this song.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a banger down down.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So in the late eighties, we've talked a little
<v Speaker 2>bit about Gavin Rossdale's life, but i'll go love life.
<v Speaker 2>But I'll go on here a little bit more. Why
<v Speaker 2>not he dated a woman named Susie de Marchi. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>she was the lead singer for a band called Baby Animals. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>they had a hit called Early Warning. Obviously, probably a
<v Speaker 2>much bigger band in Australia where they're from, okay than
<v Speaker 2>they are here, right sure, just again trying to take
<v Speaker 2>advantage of that in excess connection. She ends up leaving
<v Speaker 2>him and ends up getting together with Nuno ben Incourt
<v Speaker 2>from the band Extreme What. Yeah, So this song come
<v Speaker 2>Down is about the end of his relationship with her.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is a great nugget.
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to glitcer in here in a minute. It's
<v Speaker 2>gonna be the same thing.
<v Speaker 1>Now, wait a minute. For those who don't know who
<v Speaker 1>Nuno Bettencourt is, he is the electrifying guitarist for the
<v Speaker 1>band Extreme.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Go back and listen to our best songs of nineteen
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine episodes. Yep, Wow, okay, good one. By the way,
<v Speaker 1>I've got a breakdown of Gavin Rosstill's a love life here.
<v Speaker 1>In just a minute, we're gonna go through on the
<v Speaker 1>song ex girlfriend.
<v Speaker 2>All right, sounds good.
<v Speaker 1>So you talked about how this song was written about
<v Speaker 1>his relationship with Susie Demarchie. Right. I saw him where
<v Speaker 1>he was talking about how this song it's about her
<v Speaker 1>and their relationship. It's in the context of half regret,
<v Speaker 1>half celebration. It's experiencing something of great euphoria. You don't
<v Speaker 1>want to end, and that, I mean, what a perfect
<v Speaker 1>song and like sentiment in concert to play this one.
<v Speaker 1>It's a banger and you're like, I'm having a ball.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want this name to end.
<v Speaker 2>Say what you will like. I think that the people
<v Speaker 2>in the UK thought that this was a manufactured band,
<v Speaker 2>which is pat false. They just were an unsuccessful in
<v Speaker 2>the UK band that happened to blow up in the
<v Speaker 2>US in nineteen ninety six. They played to more people
<v Speaker 2>in the United States than any other band. That's how
<v Speaker 2>big they were. It was huge. But Gavin Rossdale is
<v Speaker 2>a not just a good looking guy. He is a
<v Speaker 2>talented musician and a talented songwriter. I mean, let's let's
<v Speaker 2>do let me just talk the lyrics here love and hate,
<v Speaker 2>get it wrong. She cut me right back down to size.
<v Speaker 2>Sleep the day, let it fade. Who was there to
<v Speaker 2>take your place? No one knows, never will, mostly me,
<v Speaker 2>but mostly you. What do you say? What do you
<v Speaker 2>do when it all comes down? Because I don't want
<v Speaker 2>to come back down from this cloud. That's poetry, bro,
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 1>See I'm having a ball today. I don't want to
<v Speaker 1>come down from this. Wow. Good stuff, Yeah, good stuff.
<v Speaker 2>This to me.
<v Speaker 1>I hate to leave this one so early. The way
<v Speaker 1>this song ends, it's just repeating that, this pumping chorus
<v Speaker 1>and just I just I could feel this way of
<v Speaker 1>the crowd.
<v Speaker 2>It is an emotional delivery of emotional lyrics. Great, great song,
<v Speaker 2>definitely worthy of being your favorite.
<v Speaker 1>On the album, Yavin Rostel talks about how when he
<v Speaker 1>plays this song and concert, it's electrifying to him to
<v Speaker 1>watch people sing his lyrics back to him.
<v Speaker 2>It's just one of those.
<v Speaker 1>Where he lets the crowd do the work, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, this song was in the movie Fear.
<v Speaker 1>I asked you earlier, had you seen the movie Fear?
<v Speaker 2>Marky Mark before he was Mark Wahlberg again, right, Micky Mark? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and Reese Witherspoon. I think I saw it either on
<v Speaker 2>VHS or like in the theater or something, But I
<v Speaker 2>just I kind of remember Mark Wahlberg pound in his
<v Speaker 2>chest because he was this obsessive high school boyfriend. Seemed
<v Speaker 2>like maybe a gender reversal on the Fatal Attraction movie.
<v Speaker 1>I know my college buddy, Scott Foster, the guy that
<v Speaker 1>did our intro to the Green Day episode last Yeah, yes,
<v Speaker 1>he saw this with him. It was him, his girlfriend
<v Speaker 1>and her parents, and he said it may be like
<v Speaker 1>the most uncomfortable he's ever been in a movie setting.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I'm going to go to the
<v Speaker 2>movie about a psychotic boyfriend with my girlfriend and her parents.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly great, exactly great. Okay, we ready to move on.
<v Speaker 1>Moving on to the next song. That song is called Body.
<v Speaker 2>This is an unstung, absolute single worthy song off of
<v Speaker 2>this album.
<v Speaker 1>I dig this one man.
<v Speaker 2>This is such a great song.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a fantastic song. This is one I
<v Speaker 1>didn't know before it was not a single, but I'm
<v Speaker 1>on board with you. This could have been a single
<v Speaker 1>and it could have been very successful.
<v Speaker 2>I can remember loving this song back in the day,
<v Speaker 2>totally expecting it to be released as a single never
<v Speaker 2>was may have been the kind of record deal that
<v Speaker 2>you talked about with Dookie and with the Blue album,
<v Speaker 2>where they were like, some of these songs want people
<v Speaker 2>to go buy the album to get that's right. But
<v Speaker 2>this one is definitely single worthy. Has a Sound Garden
<v Speaker 2>sound to it. It's got a kind of like Rusty Cage.
<v Speaker 2>I would say.
<v Speaker 1>I saw a magazine said this is the perfect mix
<v Speaker 1>of Sound Garden and Black Sabbath.
<v Speaker 2>Nice. Nice, Yeah, that one. I love it. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>Will you come again? Will we stay friends? Oh you paralyze?
<v Speaker 1>Oh you paralyze?
<v Speaker 2>I love this song, man, It's really good.
<v Speaker 1>A great song. D hit stop on your tape, play
<v Speaker 1>kick it out, flip it over for side too, and
<v Speaker 1>we start off with Machinehead.
<v Speaker 2>Well we've reached my favorite song on the album.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is your favorite?
<v Speaker 2>Gosh. I love this song. My band used to cover
<v Speaker 2>this back in nineteen ninety five ninety six. Loved covering
<v Speaker 2>this song, loved doing that guitar intro. I mentioned this
<v Speaker 2>to James Buckley a couple of weeks ago, and within
<v Speaker 2>a few days he sends me a video where he
<v Speaker 2>and Hidden Tracks are covering this song and they did
<v Speaker 2>a killer job on It's such a great song, such
<v Speaker 2>a great cover, that guitar intro and then him coming
<v Speaker 2>in with the breathe in, breathe out. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>just intense.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a very heavy metal version of aerobics.
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of funny. I don't I have nothing
<v Speaker 2>that tells me that there's some inside information on what
<v Speaker 2>this song is about. I'm just guessing. This is a
<v Speaker 2>total guess for me. Do you have info I've got.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's vague when he talks about what this
<v Speaker 1>is about. I mean, machine head is a guitar item.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what it is, Okay, So just
<v Speaker 2>to simplify as best I can, you probably have seen
<v Speaker 2>on the bridge on the top part of the guitar
<v Speaker 2>where the tuning are sometimes there'll be a little like
<v Speaker 2>metal piece that goes across there. The reason that metal
<v Speaker 2>piece is there is because when you use the whammy bar,
<v Speaker 2>it bends the strings and it'll make him go out
<v Speaker 2>of tune. But if you have that little metal piece
<v Speaker 2>on the top, it keeps them from going out of tune.
<v Speaker 2>And that little metal piece is called a machine head.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a machinehead there you go, it's better than
<v Speaker 2>the rest Green to Red.
<v Speaker 1>I did see him say that the song is about
<v Speaker 1>survival and triumph. It's about the Maverick spirit and energy
<v Speaker 1>and refusal to be compromised.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of vague terms like that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. It's a great song.
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, like he's been doing this musician
<v Speaker 2>thing for several years, right, he's he's no longer twenty one,
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, he's now twenty four, pushing twenty five and
<v Speaker 2>play in these clubs in the UK that are small
<v Speaker 2>and wondering, you know, did I make the wrong career choice?
<v Speaker 2>So he I mean, if you just look at these lyrics,
<v Speaker 2>I spin on a whim, I slide to the right.
<v Speaker 2>I felt you like electric light for our love, for
<v Speaker 2>our fear, for our rise against the years and years
<v Speaker 2>and years. Like it sounds to me like this is
<v Speaker 2>his kind of disappointment at the performance on stage going
<v Speaker 2>on as long as it has in him not seeing
<v Speaker 2>any success, Deaf, dumb and thirty, starting to deserve this
<v Speaker 2>leaning on my conscience, wall Blood is like wine, unconscious
<v Speaker 2>all the time. If I had it all again, I'd
<v Speaker 2>change it all, Like I think he's feeling regret in
<v Speaker 2>this song with his music choice. It's just odd that
<v Speaker 2>it turns out to be an absolute smash hit for
<v Speaker 2>the band.
<v Speaker 1>Well, and keep in mind these songs were dead. He
<v Speaker 1>had no idea that this was going to be a hit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, This was the fifth single, released April
<v Speaker 1>ninth of ninety six. I told you. It peaks out
<v Speaker 1>at number forty three on the Billboard Hot one hundred
<v Speaker 1>on May fourth of nineteen ninety six.
<v Speaker 2>Happy birthday, Yeah, my twenty third birthday. Yeah nice, May
<v Speaker 2>the fourth be with you.
<v Speaker 1>In the video, Gavin Rossdale's dog Winston, makes an appearance.
<v Speaker 2>I have a cat named Winston. Yes, you do game
<v Speaker 2>after Winston Churchill. There you go. We're all a little British.
<v Speaker 1>I guess I did hear how when he wrote this
<v Speaker 1>song he would take walks and he would try to
<v Speaker 1>imagine lyrics and kind of think about and he had
<v Speaker 1>the riff in his head and he was like walking
<v Speaker 1>around Park which is in England, and he's like, holy crap,
<v Speaker 1>that's good. That's good. I gotta remember this. I gotta
<v Speaker 1>remember this. And he said when he got back, he's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>you got something good. Don't screw it up by messing
<v Speaker 1>up the lyrics. And that's why I do think it
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit vague about what it is actually about.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move on from that one. Let's go
<v Speaker 1>to the next song. The next song is called test Toosterone.
<v Speaker 2>Another single worthy song. Man, it's good, It's so freaking good.
<v Speaker 1>It's good.
<v Speaker 2>So the intro drum on this I saw that their drummer,
<v Speaker 2>Robin Goodrich, he said that he was using inspiration from
<v Speaker 2>Peat Best and John Bonham from led Zeppelin. The intro
<v Speaker 2>drum beat to this is obviously influenced by when the
<v Speaker 2>Levy Breaks from led Zeppelin, definitely very which is MY
<v Speaker 2>favorite intro drum of all time, of all songs. So
<v Speaker 2>I was very happy to hear it being used for
<v Speaker 2>something new and exciting in this one. And then I
<v Speaker 2>love I mean, he's challenging the MAO machismo. I got
<v Speaker 2>a big gold gun, got a big gold gun that
<v Speaker 2>is prevalent. Now it's interesting that he should make that challenge.
<v Speaker 2>As we mentioned, this song came out or the even
<v Speaker 2>this album came out in December of ninety four. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety five, when this album was huge, Boy
<v Speaker 2>George released a book, Yes he did. Interestingly, he made
<v Speaker 2>some allegations in there that were initially denied. You got
<v Speaker 2>the story on this one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so boy George said, Gavin Rossdale, take it like
<v Speaker 1>a man. And apparently a good friend of boy George
<v Speaker 1>and a good friend of Gavin Rossdale a person named Marylyn. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Peter Robinson is his given name, but yes, who goes
<v Speaker 1>by Marylyn. And I guess Gavin still had a sexual
<v Speaker 1>relationship with this person for like five years.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Initially, when when boy George's autobiography came out, like
<v Speaker 2>you said, it's called Take It Like a Man, he
<v Speaker 2>mentioned this and the initial reaction of Gavin Rossdale was,
<v Speaker 2>that's George's take. He doesn't know me. There's a queue
<v Speaker 2>of people going to their lawyers about the stuff in
<v Speaker 2>his book. I hope he manages to sell some books
<v Speaker 2>by putting my name in there. But but a little
<v Speaker 2>later on he confessed.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so boy George is like, oh, yeah, well assume
<v Speaker 1>me then if it's wrong, you know. But apparently, Gavin Rossdale,
<v Speaker 1>you know, your your career's taken off. You're in the
<v Speaker 1>you're in the rock world where it's pretty heavily mail.
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to scare off anybody, and so he
<v Speaker 1>denied it, and he asked Marylyn, who he was still
<v Speaker 1>good friends with, hey, can you bury this for me?
<v Speaker 1>And later on he was basically forced to admit that
<v Speaker 1>it happened.
<v Speaker 2>So Yeah. Two thousand and three, Maryland had a single
<v Speaker 2>called hold On Tight that he dedicated to Gavin Rossdale,
<v Speaker 2>exiting you the years of their passionate relationship and featuring
<v Speaker 2>a photo of him and ross Dale on the cover.
<v Speaker 2>He said they had been together for five years and
<v Speaker 2>referred to him as the love of his life, the
<v Speaker 2>love of his life. But hey, he's shocking. Yeah, he
<v Speaker 2>had several loves of his life. Apparently he did, he
<v Speaker 2>really did. We will go on to talk about those
<v Speaker 2>just a moment.
<v Speaker 1>Next song on the album is called monkey.
<v Speaker 2>Okay in my opinion and I love this album. This
<v Speaker 2>is the first skipper on the album for minute, Oh okay,
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about it? Just kind of noisy,
<v Speaker 2>It's not it doesn't grab me. Yeah, I mean, the
<v Speaker 2>lyrics don't make any sense to me. The music isn't
<v Speaker 2>super great. But here's an opportunity to talk about the
<v Speaker 2>fact that they couldn't release this album in Canada. Because,
<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned at the intro of this episode, there
<v Speaker 2>was already a Canadian band called Bush. They were a
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies jazz influenced rock band out of Canada who
<v Speaker 2>like opened up for Three Dog Night, I mean just
<v Speaker 2>hadn't really wow. Like Three Dog Night kind of threw
<v Speaker 2>them a bone Pardney right there by giving them a
<v Speaker 2>B side on one of their singles. But they just
<v Speaker 2>never really had much success. But they were still around
<v Speaker 2>and they still owned the rights to the name when
<v Speaker 2>Bush tried to release sixteen Stone, so if you got
<v Speaker 2>the album in Canada, the name of the band was
<v Speaker 2>Bush X.
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, I have not heard this story.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So ultimately they were like, well, guys, we got
<v Speaker 2>to find a work around here. And according to Gavin Rossdale,
<v Speaker 2>and the lead singer for the Canadian Bush, they were
<v Speaker 2>agreeable to like work things out. They're like, let's do it,
<v Speaker 2>but the lawyers, you know, stupid lawyers get involved, everybody's
<v Speaker 2>fighting about stuff. What ends up happening is they agree
<v Speaker 2>that if like all all of the band members, all
<v Speaker 2>four band members, donate twenty thousand dollars to the Starlight
<v Speaker 2>Children's Foundation, that they'll allow them to use the name
<v Speaker 2>in Canada. And I mean that's a no brainer, right.
<v Speaker 2>Your album is selling millions and millions. It's easy to
<v Speaker 2>give up eighty thousand dollars, especially to a good cause,
<v Speaker 2>to get the right to use your use your name,
<v Speaker 2>to use your name.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, you know where they chose the name bush?
<v Speaker 2>I do, but you can tell us the story.
<v Speaker 1>Well, so there's different stories. Yeah, I think bush is
<v Speaker 1>kind of a short and memorable word like kiss might
<v Speaker 1>be right, right, But apparently there's a place in and
<v Speaker 1>around London called Shepherd Bush, Shepherd's Bush, Shepherd's Bush, which
<v Speaker 1>is where they're from. But I'm not sure that there's
<v Speaker 1>not a double entendre there.
<v Speaker 2>Well obviously. Yeah, Okay, so we know how the band
<v Speaker 2>got its name. Now you're gonna have to stay tuned
<v Speaker 2>to find out how the album got its name. That's
<v Speaker 2>been a mystery for a while. But I think I
<v Speaker 2>may have the answer for you.
<v Speaker 1>But before we get I don't know that information for you.
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give it to you. I'm gonna give
<v Speaker 2>it to you, but you're gonna have to wait. You're
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to wait. You're gonna have to keep stay
<v Speaker 2>tuned in for our next song on the album Glycerine,
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful ballad again dedicated to ex girlfriend Susie Marchie.
<v Speaker 1>How many people lost their virginity to this song in
<v Speaker 1>the mid nineties, Ah.
<v Speaker 2>Man, I mean it's just if you know that this
<v Speaker 2>is a song about a breakup, it just tears your
<v Speaker 2>heart up. Man. I mean everything's gone white, everything's gray.
<v Speaker 2>Now you're here, now you're away. I don't want this.
<v Speaker 1>Remember that, I'll never forget where you're at. Don't let
<v Speaker 1>the days go by. He talked about when he played
<v Speaker 1>this for the band. Initially he said it was I
<v Speaker 1>was like a conduit. This song was bigger than days.
<v Speaker 2>Kisser rain, gisser.
<v Speaker 1>You know we've talked about how some artists believe they
<v Speaker 1>download the song right from the heavens. That was this
<v Speaker 1>song for him. Yeah, by the way, I loved I
<v Speaker 1>love this little nugget.
<v Speaker 2>Here.
<v Speaker 1>Desmond Child when he heard this song for the first time,
<v Speaker 1>he thought he was saying kiss the rain, Oh right,
<v Speaker 1>really instead of glycerin, instead of glycerine, kiss the rain.
<v Speaker 1>And then when he found out he wasn't using the
<v Speaker 1>words kiss the rain, he started writing a song called
<v Speaker 1>kiss the Rain for Billy Myers, and it became her
<v Speaker 1>first single to hit the number fifteen chart in the US.
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, how about that?
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Also, there's a reference to the song Strawberry Fields Forever
<v Speaker 1>Yep in this song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, strawberry Fields is a place in the UK. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's like Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields are Paul and
<v Speaker 2>John's songs about the place that they grew up, right right,
<v Speaker 2>Strawberry Fields being where John Lennon grew up in what
<v Speaker 2>they call the place in Central Park now where he's
<v Speaker 2>got a little altar to his presence.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that line says, we live in a wheel where
<v Speaker 1>everyone steals, but when we rise, it's like Strawberry Fields.
<v Speaker 1>This was the fourth single released November of ninety five.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this one is too sad and too beautiful and
<v Speaker 2>too wonderful for me to disturb with what the meaning
<v Speaker 2>of sixteen stone is. So we're going to have to
<v Speaker 2>be bop on to the next song. Okay, let's go
<v Speaker 2>on to the next one, all right.
<v Speaker 1>That song is called Alien.
<v Speaker 2>This is a song that I can totally see in
<v Speaker 2>concert being the if you will come down of you know,
<v Speaker 2>like we've just banged and thrashed ferociously to machine head.
<v Speaker 2>Time for us to chill and just kind of bob
<v Speaker 2>instead of banging our head, We're gonna bob our head
<v Speaker 2>and just kind of live in the moment. It's a long,
<v Speaker 2>it's like over six minute long song that's very chill,
<v Speaker 2>very atmospheric. Almost.
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree with you. I read online a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people mark this as their favorite song. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>not mine, but I think you have to be.
<v Speaker 2>If you're gonna be listening to this on the album,
<v Speaker 2>it has to be that situation where you're really just
<v Speaker 2>listening to the album, like you're laid out on the couch,
<v Speaker 2>you're totally vibing. You know, the lights are dimmed, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you've got something to drink or some something enjoyable going
<v Speaker 2>on in the room where you're just able to just
<v Speaker 2>soak it in. But listening to it in the car
<v Speaker 2>on the way to work probably not so good. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 2>here's the story sixteen stone.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right, all right, I'm ready for this.
<v Speaker 2>So there was He didn't elaborate on what the meaning
<v Speaker 2>of this was for quite some time, and there was
<v Speaker 2>talk that somehow it related to his that he liked
<v Speaker 2>math and numerical things and spiritualism and that kind of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Math and spiritualism.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, but as you pointed out when you were like,
<v Speaker 2>what is sixteen stone mean? I don't know, and you're like,
<v Speaker 2>it seems like it'd be a measurement or weight of
<v Speaker 2>some kind, and okay, So he had a buddy. Apparently
<v Speaker 2>catfishing was a thing before we had social media and
<v Speaker 2>all of these other things. You could catfish somebody back
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties through classified ads. Oh wow, remember I
<v Speaker 2>mean like the Pina Colada song, right, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>he was right reading the ad let's meet up, all
<v Speaker 2>this other stuff, and you toy somebody, right, you would
<v Speaker 2>toy somebody along pretending to be somebody who you were not. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>Apparently Gavin Rosdale had a buddy who this happened to.
<v Speaker 2>He got catfished, and this song is a reference to
<v Speaker 2>when he found out that she was not the slim
<v Speaker 2>model esque person but instead weighed sixteen stones, which translate
<v Speaker 2>to two hundred and twenty four pounds deuce deuce and
<v Speaker 2>a half. He was catfished by a heavier chick in
<v Speaker 2>the in the classified ads, and so that apparently is
<v Speaker 2>where we get the name stone wow or spiritual numerical
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. No, it's I like this story much.
<v Speaker 1>Better catfishon Ain't Cool Kids? All right, last song on
<v Speaker 1>the album songs called ex Girlfriend.
<v Speaker 2>That was rather quick. Here's a forty four second song
<v Speaker 2>for you, I inspired via we count off in German.
<v Speaker 2>And then the only lyric which is repeated over and
<v Speaker 2>over again is you only call me when you're down.
<v Speaker 1>This sounds like a hidden song. It's not hidden, right right, Yes,
<v Speaker 1>this deserves to be like unnamed at the end of
<v Speaker 1>the album.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this one's called ex girlfriend. And we've talked
<v Speaker 2>about when Stefanie who's who got herself to ex wife.
<v Speaker 2>Actually there's a great story with that, but keep going, okay.
<v Speaker 2>And then we've talked about Susie Demarchi yep. And we've
<v Speaker 2>talked about Marilyn Yeah. And we've talked about Courtney Love.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's four right there. And I know that he
<v Speaker 2>had a child with someone back in the late eighties.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he did, So I've got a kind of a
<v Speaker 1>breakdown for it, okay. Yeah, And we already talked about
<v Speaker 1>how Gavin Rossdale doesn't have any trouble grabbing the ladies, right, right.
<v Speaker 1>So he had a child with a lady named Pearl Lowe,
<v Speaker 1>who is an interior decorator. She had a daughter named
<v Speaker 1>Daisy low Right that you may have heard of.
<v Speaker 2>She's a model.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they had to go to court and they
<v Speaker 1>found out that yes, she was actually the love child
<v Speaker 1>of Gavin Rossdale. And Pearl Lowe was also a singer
<v Speaker 1>in a band for a while, if I remember correctly.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>He also, I think we kind of need to get
<v Speaker 1>into the Gwen Stefani thing here. So he was married
<v Speaker 1>to Gwen Stefani for fifteen years, long time, long into
<v Speaker 1>the relationship, like twenty fifteen, maybe thirteen years in nanny
<v Speaker 1>discovered an iPad that was hooked up to his cell phone,
<v Speaker 1>and a nanny noticed that there was inappropriate texts coming
<v Speaker 1>from a different nanny. Her name is Mindy Mann.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>She was sending sexually suggestive texts along with intimate pictures
<v Speaker 1>if you will, Okay. And of course that was a
<v Speaker 1>big betrayal because you not only did Gwyn lose her husband,
<v Speaker 1>but she also lost a friend and a trusted employee,
<v Speaker 1>and that was kind of the big scandal there in
<v Speaker 1>the mid twenty and tens for.
<v Speaker 2>A little bit. Absolutely Thankfully Gwinn ends up with Made
<v Speaker 2>of Oklahoma and Blake Shelton.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she comes down to tishuminga quite a little bit. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but I do have a list of Gavin Rossdale's ex girlfriends. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>are you ready for this?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Go for it? All right.
<v Speaker 1>We already talked about Susie Demarchie. We've talked about Courtney Love,
<v Speaker 1>we talked about Prolo, we talked about Marylyn. But he
<v Speaker 1>also dated Gwyn Singer. You know that is no majors.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>You know who Natalie Golba is, no majors. Okay, you
<v Speaker 1>know who Sophia Tamala is, no majors. All right. His
<v Speaker 1>current girlfriend is Zoanna Zenetti, majors.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, he is all right. He's a handsome
<v Speaker 2>man and given the kind of breadth of his love life.
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you another short little tidbet Now, I mentioned
<v Speaker 2>that Rob Kahane was the guy from Hollywood Records who
<v Speaker 2>first discovered Bush. If you will, they're playing in these
<v Speaker 2>flea pits. They weren't getting any attention from any of
<v Speaker 2>the UK record labels, and in ninety three, a guy
<v Speaker 2>named Gary Crowley of Capitol Radio. It was a disc
<v Speaker 2>jockey for them. He gave a copy of their demo
<v Speaker 2>to a friend of his who was on the American
<v Speaker 2>label Trauma at the time, and that friend was Rob Kahane,
<v Speaker 2>who I talked about being from Hollywood Records. Right. It
<v Speaker 2>was very fortunate that Rob Khan had gotten this album
<v Speaker 2>because he had just stopped working with the guy who
<v Speaker 2>he had been managing for several years, who we've covered
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, a guy named George Michael. Really yes,
<v Speaker 2>and so had George Michael not dumped Rob Kahane, we
<v Speaker 2>might never have gotten introduced to Bush.
<v Speaker 1>Oh fascinating.
<v Speaker 2>That's good stuff.
<v Speaker 1>There you go, all right. That brings us to the
<v Speaker 1>end of the album.
<v Speaker 2>YEP.
<v Speaker 1>I got to ask you real quick, real quick. We've
<v Speaker 1>covered Weezer Weezer, We've covered Dooky by Green Day Green Day, YEP,
<v Speaker 1>and we've covered sixteen Stone by Bush yep.
<v Speaker 2>That's three.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to ask you to rank them, but
<v Speaker 1>what's your favorite one we've covered so far?
<v Speaker 2>I'm not telling you. You have to tune in for
<v Speaker 2>the next two episodes and then I will give you
<v Speaker 2>all five ranked in order. Guys, just hit that follow
<v Speaker 2>button on your podcast app and you could see if
<v Speaker 2>you agree with me or if you agree with Jason,
<v Speaker 2>or we're both idiots. But tune in next two albums.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to have a couple of guests host with us.
<v Speaker 2>We've got Brad Moore coming.
<v Speaker 1>In and we've got Dayton Johnson coming in.
<v Speaker 2>They are going to Brad Moore is going to help
<v Speaker 2>us cover Live Throwing Copper, which is another album I
<v Speaker 2>had at the time and absolutely loved. And Dayton Johnson
<v Speaker 2>is going to help us cover Collective Soul at the
<v Speaker 2>Blue album Yes, which I'm excited to talk about. That
<v Speaker 2>one is well, that's one of your favorites. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, it's gonna be fun. We'll see you guys back
<v Speaker 1>here next week.