MATHEW TABLER LOS PADRES NATIONAL FOREST CALIFORNIA NOV 2025

<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. Today's episode takes us deep
<v Speaker 1>into south central California, into a land where ancient forests,
<v Speaker 1>tribal warnings, and the unknown collide. My guest Matt, has
<v Speaker 1>spent decades trying to make sense of a series of
<v Speaker 1>encounters that began in nineteen ninety seven when he and
<v Speaker 1>a friend were riding bikes through the Los Padres National Forest.
<v Speaker 1>What started as a foul smell on the trail quickly
<v Speaker 1>turned into a chilling moment, A massive, black, muscular arm
<v Speaker 1>extending from the tree line, harry, powerful and impossibly long.
<v Speaker 1>The tribal elders confirmed with Matt that the sasquatch truly
<v Speaker 1>do exist out in the forest, and he should consider
<v Speaker 1>himself lucky. But this was only the beginning. Months later,
<v Speaker 1>while canoeing on a lake sacred to the native people,
<v Speaker 1>something with scales the size of dinner plates bumped into
<v Speaker 1>Matt's canoe. The elders believe the lake was a portal,
<v Speaker 1>an access point to the ocean, and a home for
<v Speaker 1>ancient beings the outside world refuses to acknowledge. If you
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<v Speaker 1>Of course, if you have your own bigfoot encounter you
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<v Speaker 1>lake monsters, and the paranormal in a way few stories
<v Speaker 1>ever do. All right, Matt, welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How
<v Speaker 1>are you doing today.
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing very well. Good.
<v Speaker 1>It's an absolute pleasure to have you on the show tonight.
<v Speaker 1>If you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your experiences from the very beginning, please.
<v Speaker 2>Sure. So I live in North Idaho. I'm from southern
<v Speaker 2>California originally, so I've lived up here for about ten
<v Speaker 2>years or so. And I had a couple of experiences
<v Speaker 2>when I lived in California that I'm going to talk
<v Speaker 2>to you about today. So they all they all take
<v Speaker 2>place right around the I'd say it's southern California still,
<v Speaker 2>some people that live there call it Central California, but
<v Speaker 2>it's about an hour and a half north of Santa
<v Speaker 2>Barbara area in the with the it's called the Los
<v Speaker 2>Padres National Forest.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, if you would tell me what you were doing
<v Speaker 1>the day of the experience and kind of put me
<v Speaker 1>in your shoes and try to describe everything in full detail.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, So I had gotten a I was fifteen. I
<v Speaker 2>had gotten a job offer from a buddy of my
<v Speaker 2>aunts who worked on this four hundred acre parcel in
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the national forest. And it's a pretty
<v Speaker 2>remote place. It's called Zacha Lake. It's it was a
<v Speaker 2>sacred grounds to the Shumash Native American tribe. And so
<v Speaker 2>I was pretty fortunate to get a call asking me
<v Speaker 2>if i'd like to come up and do some work
<v Speaker 2>up there for you know, is really as long as
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to, and it's a volunteer work basis, but
<v Speaker 2>it was a living type of situation, so i'd move
<v Speaker 2>up there basically in a cabin. And so I said sure,
<v Speaker 2>and I went up with my cousin who was a
<v Speaker 2>year younger than me, So he was fourteenth at the time,
<v Speaker 2>and he was going to work just through the summer
<v Speaker 2>with us. So I think it was our first day off,
<v Speaker 2>and we took this little trail that led to the
<v Speaker 2>campgrounds real quick.
<v Speaker 1>If you would go back a minute. For some reason
<v Speaker 1>the phone cut out.
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah so we uh so, any anyhow, I
<v Speaker 2>got this this job up and at this place called
<v Speaker 2>Zacha Lake with my cousin, and we worked there for
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks and we finally got a day
<v Speaker 2>off and my foreman gave us gave us some bikes
<v Speaker 2>to go ahead and mountain bike around the area because
<v Speaker 2>most of the areas it's very remote. It's about i'd
<v Speaker 2>say probably forty five miles from the highway and there's
<v Speaker 2>really nothing back there. There's no street lights. I mean
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing out there. So anyhow, so we're like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna bike ride, and we decided to go bike
<v Speaker 2>right up by our campground, which at the campground dead
<v Speaker 2>ended into in the National forest land, and just beyond that,
<v Speaker 2>maybe a half mile, there's a waterfall and it's all
<v Speaker 2>a lava rock, like white lava rock. It's beautiful, and
<v Speaker 2>we'd gone up there one time because our spring was
<v Speaker 2>up there for our weell to repair some of our
<v Speaker 2>well stuff. So we wanted to bike out to it.
<v Speaker 2>So we were riding our bikes down this trail and
<v Speaker 2>we decided to a shortcut and go off the trail
<v Speaker 2>and kind of take the river bed side of the
<v Speaker 2>riverbed up towards this waterfall. And I think we were
<v Speaker 2>about maybe three hundred yards from the waterfall, and the
<v Speaker 2>brushes real thick there. So there's a lot of oak
<v Speaker 2>trees and pine trees and manzanitave and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's super dense when you're in the in
<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the canyon. And so we biked up
<v Speaker 2>to kind of where we could, and there's two the
<v Speaker 2>river rocks started to get too big, so we we
<v Speaker 2>went ahead and let our bikes down and we started
<v Speaker 2>hiking through the riverbed up to the trail. Now we
<v Speaker 2>started to smell something pretty strong, like kind of like rancid.
<v Speaker 2>Well it's pond scum, is what it smelled like to me,
<v Speaker 2>So like a musty algae, old algae kind of smell,
<v Speaker 2>sulfur smell a little bit too in there. And so
<v Speaker 2>we started to smell that, and he was probably i'd
<v Speaker 2>say about fifteen feet in back of me, twenty feet
<v Speaker 2>in back of me, and I kind of had to
<v Speaker 2>go up a berm onto where this little deer trail
<v Speaker 2>was that I was going to try to finish taking
<v Speaker 2>up to the waterfall. And I got up there, and
<v Speaker 2>I was probably about ten feet into this kind of
<v Speaker 2>denser cavity of trees, and I heard a pretty loud noise,
<v Speaker 2>like a cracking noise to my left. So I looked,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw a pretty good sized figure, and really
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get a really good look at it. But
<v Speaker 2>what I did see was an arm come through the
<v Speaker 2>brush and break off a branch limit was probably four
<v Speaker 2>inches five inches around, I mean, just snapped it right off.
<v Speaker 2>And what was interesting about it is I had never
<v Speaker 2>seen any bear or anything in my life like that before.
<v Speaker 2>So when I saw this arm come down, I noticed
<v Speaker 2>the hand was more human like than anything else, and
<v Speaker 2>the hair was stringy like longer, and it was like
<v Speaker 2>reddish brown, so kind of like a almost maroon brown,
<v Speaker 2>and and it happened very quick. So when I turned around,
<v Speaker 2>I turned to see what my cousin was doing, and
<v Speaker 2>my cousin was running. He was gone, so he left me.
<v Speaker 2>He left me there, and uh so I saw this
<v Speaker 2>branch break off, of course, and I looked at it
<v Speaker 2>for a minute and just took off. And like I said,
<v Speaker 2>it was so dense in there, I couldn't see very deep.
<v Speaker 2>I could just see this arm, huge arm and uh,
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was, like I said, really good size.
<v Speaker 2>So I took off running and we went back. We
<v Speaker 2>left our bikes and we ended up running all the
<v Speaker 2>way back into uh into our little our cabin area.
<v Speaker 2>And I told one of the elders about it, and
<v Speaker 2>he said, he goes, yeah, that's uh, he said, you
<v Speaker 2>should be you should feel blessed. That's you know, not
<v Speaker 2>everybody gets to see that. You know, you're you're that's
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's our local you know, bigfoot. And and
<v Speaker 2>you know, they like totally went around and went on
<v Speaker 2>with their day about it. So when I asked my cousin,
<v Speaker 2>you know what he saw he didn't see? He said
<v Speaker 2>he could see something dark in the brush, but that
<v Speaker 2>was about it. He just he said he saw the
<v Speaker 2>look on my face when I was looking into the
<v Speaker 2>into the into the brush, and that's what made him
<v Speaker 2>run in the sound. So yeah, so that that was
<v Speaker 2>That was my encounter with what I believed to be
<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot. Because later in my time there, I spent
<v Speaker 2>a year and a half working there, and I did
<v Speaker 2>learn a lot about bears. We had a big, major
<v Speaker 2>bear problem and I was the one to end up
<v Speaker 2>having to deal with that. So I really did get
<v Speaker 2>familiar with bears and mountain lions because we had tons
<v Speaker 2>of those as well, and coyotes and that type of thing.
<v Speaker 2>And nothing was ever like that, you know, nothing looked
<v Speaker 2>like that at any point. Nothing even close to that
<v Speaker 2>size did I ever encounter besides that day. And I
<v Speaker 2>say size wise because when I went back to try
<v Speaker 2>to see if I could pull like see a print
<v Speaker 2>or something and maybe the river bed that was on
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the trail that I had kind
<v Speaker 2>of jumped up on the berm, I noticed that the
<v Speaker 2>burm height was probably three feet four feet, so whatever
<v Speaker 2>it was, it was like a sharp decline. So whatever
<v Speaker 2>it was would have probably been standing four feet lower
<v Speaker 2>than me or so, and it was it had to
<v Speaker 2>be close to eye level or beggar maybe even to me.
<v Speaker 2>So I suspect after looking at the scene that it
<v Speaker 2>was probably somewhere around the eight foot mark. And something
<v Speaker 2>else that I noticed there for the time that I
<v Speaker 2>worked there that I didn't really understand at the time
<v Speaker 2>was we used to have a lot of tree markings
<v Speaker 2>at that say, nine to ten foot level all around
<v Speaker 2>that area. In particular, so where you know, bark would
<v Speaker 2>be scratched off, like ripped off of trees. And at
<v Speaker 2>the time I attributed it to bar activity, but as
<v Speaker 2>I got to know the bears and stuff, I realized that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that was kind of that's a different a
<v Speaker 2>different look one and usually it's much lower, especially when
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about black bears. You know, they're not they
<v Speaker 2>do climb, but they're not they're not typically eight foot tall,
<v Speaker 2>ten foot tall, and not getting that high up generally
<v Speaker 2>to do that to take the damage to the tree.
<v Speaker 2>So but yeah, yeah, that's that's my my sasquatch encounter
<v Speaker 2>from And like I said, this happened in a place
<v Speaker 2>called Zaca Lake, which is in the Los Padres National Forest.
<v Speaker 2>And if you anybody's listening that's familiar with California and all,
<v Speaker 2>the Los Padres National Forest is about three hundred it's
<v Speaker 2>about three thousand, three thousand miles in national forests, so
<v Speaker 2>it's about two hundred thousand acres and are two million acres.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, it's humongous. So it wraps from it actually
<v Speaker 2>goes almost all the way up into the coastals, which
<v Speaker 2>there's another range that leads into that, but it comes
<v Speaker 2>so it almost makes a U shape underneath the central
<v Speaker 2>Valley and it goes directly across through another mountain range
<v Speaker 2>into the Sequoias. So on both sides of the Los
<v Speaker 2>Padres you have the Cascade Range and the Sequoia Range
<v Speaker 2>a Sierravadas. So it's it's right where California starts to
<v Speaker 2>get not populated, you know. So so yeah, it's it's
<v Speaker 2>a it's kind of interesting and and I didn't think
<v Speaker 2>about it at first, but my my my dad's cousin
<v Speaker 2>they lived in northern California, and they had encounters a lot,
<v Speaker 2>and they would talk about it and stuff, and at
<v Speaker 2>the time I didn't. I mean, as soon as I
<v Speaker 2>realized kind of what had happened, I reflected back on
<v Speaker 2>that and I was like, okay, so I'm not I'm
<v Speaker 2>not crazy, you know. And like I said, the elders
<v Speaker 2>are told me that, you know, it's a good thing
<v Speaker 2>that I saw that and that I was allowed to
<v Speaker 2>be to witness that. Yeah, it was. It was really neat.
<v Speaker 2>So I I never witnessed anything else there. I was like, said,
<v Speaker 2>they're a year and a half and I used to
<v Speaker 2>go through there all the time after that, but I
<v Speaker 2>never never got to see it again, sadly.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's incredible. And before we move on to your
<v Speaker 1>next experience, let's talk about the arm. About how long
<v Speaker 1>do you think this arm was?
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, probably I'd say probably at least four and a
<v Speaker 2>half foot five foot. I mean, like it was really
<v Speaker 2>long to be stretching up and like like swinging through
<v Speaker 2>the branch like that. And what's interesting about it is,
<v Speaker 2>when I think about it, it was long, for sure,
<v Speaker 2>but it was like the build of the arm was
<v Speaker 2>so muscular that it didn't look extraordinarily long, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it was very I
<v Speaker 2>mean very defined muscle structure for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And most people just hear the limb break or
<v Speaker 1>the tree break. In this case, you saw the creature's arm.
<v Speaker 1>And why do you think it revealed itself? Do you
<v Speaker 1>think it was trying to warn you?
<v Speaker 2>I do. I think that, you know, we did have
<v Speaker 2>some don't know if it was for keeping me out
<v Speaker 2>of there or if it was for safety's sake. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not really sure. We did have some pretty serious problems
<v Speaker 2>with mountain lions that I was not aware of when
<v Speaker 2>I when I at that time because I was so
<v Speaker 2>new up there, so I didn't really know these things,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I would imagine my foreman probably should
<v Speaker 2>have set us down and talked to us about some
<v Speaker 2>of these things before they let us loose. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>this was in nineteen nineteen ninety seven, Yeah, nineteen ninety seven,
<v Speaker 2>so it was a little you know, they were kind
<v Speaker 2>of just let you loose, right and just let you run.
<v Speaker 2>And but yeah, I do think that it was because
<v Speaker 2>it never showed itself to me. Again, I do think
<v Speaker 2>that there was some type of warning there.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I feel like, Yeah, absolutely, whether they're warning
<v Speaker 1>us that they're in the area, or they're trying to
<v Speaker 1>protect us from something else. Maybe it's a mountain lion,
<v Speaker 1>another cryptic creature, or something bad going on in the area.
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely something spiritual. That's how I felt when I
<v Speaker 1>encountered these creatures. And like the elder told you, you
<v Speaker 1>should consider yourself lucky, And why why exactly do they
<v Speaker 1>say that? Like, why should you be lucky to encounter
<v Speaker 1>one of these things? Obviously it's rare and most people
<v Speaker 1>don't get to see him, but what what do the
<v Speaker 1>natives say about it?
<v Speaker 2>Like you're trusted because like when I went up there,
<v Speaker 2>I I really I grew up in in like the projects,
<v Speaker 2>like not a good area, uh And so when I I,
<v Speaker 2>I my grandfather had a good hiking and fishing background. Stuff.
<v Speaker 2>He would take us, you know, out to go and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So I had a I had a pretty good handle
<v Speaker 2>on the outdoors because of that. But I grew up
<v Speaker 2>in the city, like I said, in the projects, in
<v Speaker 2>the Sammartino area in La Areas. So when I went
<v Speaker 2>up there, I like I was My plan was to
<v Speaker 2>completely change my life, you know, it's completely just give
<v Speaker 2>everything I had into this job and just really try
<v Speaker 2>to be a part of where I was living, because
<v Speaker 2>like I said, it was so remote. There was only
<v Speaker 2>like six permanent residents in this four hundred acre a lot,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and we were charged with taking care of
<v Speaker 2>this huge lake, you know, good sized lake is not
<v Speaker 2>a huge, but good sized lake. And there's twenty five
<v Speaker 2>cabins there and stuff. And we ran retreats for you know,
<v Speaker 2>a large group and retreats and small group retreats, and
<v Speaker 2>they were like it's rustic retreats. So I was like,
<v Speaker 2>I really was going to dedicate myself to that to
<v Speaker 2>just trying to be present and you know, be a
<v Speaker 2>good steward as well. And you know, at the time,
<v Speaker 2>I had smoked cigarettes, and I would make sure that
<v Speaker 2>I never left any trace of that anywhere because I
<v Speaker 2>didn't want any piece of me to disturb anything. And
<v Speaker 2>when I was talking to one of the elders, that's it.
<v Speaker 2>He was telling me that respect is like no, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And that's one of the reasons that I probably was
<v Speaker 2>able to see that is that I was on the
<v Speaker 2>same level, you know, in terms of respect wise and
<v Speaker 2>care for the place that say he was.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I've spoken to other Native Americans and they say
<v Speaker 1>that you want to show respect to these creatures or
<v Speaker 1>else you could anger them and anger the spirits. And
<v Speaker 1>the natives told me to leave like tobacco, brown sugar,
<v Speaker 1>sweet grass or anything that's natural, and it's just the
<v Speaker 1>way of showing respect. So it makes sense to me
<v Speaker 1>for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the tobacco thing is is something that we uh
<v Speaker 2>we did do uh and uh and try tip so
<v Speaker 2>so that was up there. There's a thing called Santa
<v Speaker 2>Maria tried tips, so it's like it's a big deal.
<v Speaker 2>And uh so we would leave a Santa Mauria tried
<v Speaker 2>tip as well, you know, and just you know, you
<v Speaker 2>never know. I mean, that thing was gone instantly, no
<v Speaker 2>matter what took it right. Something something was grabbing that thing.
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, that was the sentiment to me. Was
<v Speaker 2>and it is interesting because living up there, we did
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of workers that came up that were
<v Speaker 2>super disrespectful, you know, and it's almost like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>God sorted that out. It's like they didn't mean to
<v Speaker 2>be they weren't supposed to be there because something would
<v Speaker 2>happen and they'd have to leave, you know, and whether
<v Speaker 2>it was they got hurt or they just you know,
<v Speaker 2>it didn't work out in some way, shape or form,
<v Speaker 2>but it's it was always something that they did that
<v Speaker 2>caused that dismissal. And so yeah, that's I was always
<v Speaker 2>very humble about it because I was just happy to
<v Speaker 2>be there, you know, to be out of what I
<v Speaker 2>was in and to be there. So I was super
<v Speaker 2>humble about it. And I've never gone out. I've always
<v Speaker 2>been interested in more like caring about the about the
<v Speaker 2>the phenomenon anyway, you know, not more of a like
<v Speaker 2>oh I want to go hunt this thing or something
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's always been like a it's I want
<v Speaker 2>to coexist and just be quiet and listen and feel
<v Speaker 2>what's happening, you know, instead of dominate. I guess it's
<v Speaker 2>been my yeah mentality.
<v Speaker 1>And the respect thing definitely makes sense because like people
<v Speaker 1>don't even think about it. Maybe they'll toss their beer
<v Speaker 1>bottle out the window and one of these things steps
<v Speaker 1>on it, or maybe like a hunter leaves this trap
<v Speaker 1>out in the woods, it never picks it up or
<v Speaker 1>shoots a deer and just doesn't bother looking for it.
<v Speaker 1>And these things are highly intelligent. They seem to know
<v Speaker 1>things that are beyond our comprehension. So I do believe
<v Speaker 1>they're able to pick up on people and their intentions
<v Speaker 1>for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so as well. Yeah, I believe so
<v Speaker 2>as well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And this arm, it had this reddish brown color
<v Speaker 1>and you said it was stringy. Did it have a
<v Speaker 1>shine to it or anything else that stuck out to you?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was kind of kind of shiny. Yeah, like
<v Speaker 2>like really nice hair, you know, like it didn't look like.
<v Speaker 1>Like it bathed and used conditioner.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, like super nice hair and not like not
<v Speaker 2>stringy really, but like it's hard to describe, but it
<v Speaker 2>was kind of like long wise, but but it was like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, fluid, very fluid. I would say, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it moved very fluidly. It is, it is. It is
<v Speaker 2>odd because you see all that so quick, but it
<v Speaker 2>was slow for me.
<v Speaker 1>At the time, Like everything went slow motion.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah it did for me as well. And
<v Speaker 1>the fur, the hair, whatever you want to call it
<v Speaker 1>is really hard to describe. It's hard to compare it
<v Speaker 1>to another animal or a person because it's like so
<v Speaker 1>unique and it's just like their own I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>their own coat, like not another animal has that look
<v Speaker 1>to it.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and being able to see like the muscle
<v Speaker 2>structure under it, even though the hair was that like
<v Speaker 2>you know that I guess like thick was as interesting
<v Speaker 2>as well because you could I could see the muscle
<v Speaker 2>definition like I said, in like the top of the
<v Speaker 2>forearm and the bicep area, you know. But yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of as a trip for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And another important note that that I took down
<v Speaker 1>was you said you smelled something before the encounter. Was
<v Speaker 1>it like sulfur? I know you described it, but can
<v Speaker 1>you tell me more about it.
<v Speaker 2>It's exactly like if you were if you stepped in
<v Speaker 2>like like you know, like a waterway that uh say,
<v Speaker 2>an overflow area, and when it starts to to recede
<v Speaker 2>and kind of start to dry up and he gets swampy,
<v Speaker 2>you start to get that really bacteria filled mud that
<v Speaker 2>really stinks, you know, like in the bottom of a
<v Speaker 2>lake or a pond. You know that is that is
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a seasonal pond for instance, or a swamp.
<v Speaker 2>That's what it really reminded me of. Reminded me of
<v Speaker 2>a swamp smell. So like my grandpa used to have
<v Speaker 2>ponds and uh he would clean them. So he'd drain
<v Speaker 2>them and clean them and we'd pull pumps. Ponds come out,
<v Speaker 2>which is basically fish poop and you know, organic material
<v Speaker 2>that was degraded and had sunk to the bottom of
<v Speaker 2>these ponds that he had in his backyard. And uh
<v Speaker 2>that's what it smelled like to me, Like this combination
<v Speaker 2>of like just basically puns gum so but real thick,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like way more than like a skunk when
<v Speaker 2>you smell a skunk, you know, just way more intense.
<v Speaker 2>I would say, not as bad as smelling like in
<v Speaker 2>terms of foul, but more like yeah, sul free and
<v Speaker 2>like like a swamp, a lot a lot like a swamp.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it sounds like you guys snuck up on
<v Speaker 1>the creature because it sounds like the wind was in
<v Speaker 1>your favor, like it was blowing away from the creature
<v Speaker 1>and towards you and not the other way around. And
<v Speaker 1>also you guys were on your bikes. Is that correct,
<v Speaker 1>So maybe you guys threw this thing off.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, we were on our bikes and then we
<v Speaker 2>dropped them and then took you know, took another like
<v Speaker 2>a little easier footpath route up and uh yeah, That's
<v Speaker 2>that's what I always kind of thought was maybe we
<v Speaker 2>started it, you know somehow, or you know, who knows,
<v Speaker 2>or it was keeping me out of there, you know well,
<v Speaker 2>or we started and it was keeping us out of there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not a good time, is what the sasquatch was thinking.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it's weird because I was never even
<v Speaker 2>though I ran, I ran, my cousin was running and
<v Speaker 2>I ran, I didn't feel like super intense fear, like
<v Speaker 2>you know, my drama was going for sure, But I
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel like I've I've i've I used to serve
<v Speaker 2>and stuff I've seen great white sharks and that was
<v Speaker 2>scared right, Like I saw a great white shark and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, it's an instant, primal reaction that I
<v Speaker 2>had to run to get out of that water, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? When I ran from this thing.
<v Speaker 2>It is more of a than I didn't understand what
<v Speaker 2>was happening. I didn't have that same immediate, like scare
<v Speaker 2>fear inside, So I don't know what that was about.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I didn't. I just didn't have that same
<v Speaker 2>exact primal fear that I've had before with other animals.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the same way with me. I had like
<v Speaker 1>this feeling of calmness over me, and I don't know why,
<v Speaker 1>Like I was still shocked, but I was just calm.
<v Speaker 1>And of course the creature wasn't like charging at me.
<v Speaker 1>It was walking away or they'd hide behind a tree
<v Speaker 1>and disappear, So maybe that's why. But I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I had this unexplainable feeling of just being calm and
<v Speaker 1>shocked at the same time, and I had like no
<v Speaker 1>thoughts in my mind because my brain couldn't process what
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think that's what was happening to me.
<v Speaker 2>Is I wasn't sure, you know what I like, I said,
<v Speaker 2>I knew there was bears and stuff, but that I like,
<v Speaker 2>there was no way right, Like, I just my brain
<v Speaker 2>did not go to oh it's this or that might.
<v Speaker 2>I was like like whoa, just like what's happening? And
<v Speaker 2>then you know, when you get the process and you're like,
<v Speaker 2>oh man, that thing was very human light, you know,
<v Speaker 2>very human light.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, that's incredible. Okay, Matt, if you would tell
<v Speaker 1>me about the next experience, put me and your shoes
<v Speaker 1>and describe everything else that happened after this encounter.
<v Speaker 2>Perfect. So, so it's at the same place, and I'd
<v Speaker 2>probably been there, I don't know, maybe maybe six months
<v Speaker 2>at a time or four months at the time, something
<v Speaker 2>like that, and I it was it was the lake
<v Speaker 2>is uh uh, there's some type of volcanic something going
<v Speaker 2>on there, because, like I said, the waterfall that's not
<v Speaker 2>too far away where I had that that other encounters
<v Speaker 2>white volcanic rock. And so the lake it smells like
<v Speaker 2>sulfur a lot, and it's like there's a ton of
<v Speaker 2>fish in it and it's predominantly arp catfish and koi
<v Speaker 2>during this lake, which you know, Carper I don't know
<v Speaker 2>how the koi got in there exactly. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if people put them in there at some point, but
<v Speaker 2>you know, carper same same line right like pretty much.
<v Speaker 2>So there's they they they all swim on the top,
<v Speaker 2>which is weird for catfish. So the catfish as well,
<v Speaker 2>they swim on the top of the water. It's very odd.
<v Speaker 2>But you can't eat them because they taste like sulfur.
<v Speaker 2>So in the water it stays up, you know, probably
<v Speaker 2>in the high sixties to mid seventies year round. So
<v Speaker 2>even in the winter time when it's thirty degrees outside
<v Speaker 2>forty degrees outside, the water is still sixty five seventy degrees,
<v Speaker 2>so it creates this huge steam plume, you know, up
<v Speaker 2>into the air because it's so warm, right the temperature difference.
<v Speaker 2>So I was out, it was it was about probably midnight.
<v Speaker 2>I had a long day at work, and up there
<v Speaker 2>you kind of work until you can't work anymore, and
<v Speaker 2>then you know, sometimes you work till midnight, you know,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you work till ten. In the seven days a week, basically,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you get a day off every once in
<v Speaker 2>a while because there's just so much to do. So
<v Speaker 2>I went ahead and was like, well, I'm gonna grab
<v Speaker 2>a couple of beers and go sit in and jump
<v Speaker 2>in a canoe. And one of my favorite things to
<v Speaker 2>do would be at night is the canoe around the
<v Speaker 2>edge of the lake real silently and watch. You know,
<v Speaker 2>the bears would feed on the fish, even though they
<v Speaker 2>tasted terrible, they'd still grab them. So I like to
<v Speaker 2>try to sneak up and just hang out and be
<v Speaker 2>there when they were when they were doing their thing.
<v Speaker 2>And there's no lights or anything out there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so it's super dark. You can see them, you know.
<v Speaker 2>The sky is like a dome of stars. It's absolutely beautiful.
<v Speaker 2>And this night it was a full moon and all
<v Speaker 2>the steam was rising up. So I'm I'm cruising from
<v Speaker 2>one spot that I like to frequent to look at
<v Speaker 2>bare activity to another spot, and I'm taking kind of
<v Speaker 2>a straight route, like cutting off the lake and a
<v Speaker 2>third while i'm doing it, so I'm going over a
<v Speaker 2>larger portion of the of the lake, and I'm doing
<v Speaker 2>it pretty silently by keeping my paddle on one side
<v Speaker 2>of the boat. When I'm paddling my canoe and I
<v Speaker 2>got hit. So something hit me pretty hard and I
<v Speaker 2>was in like a seventeen foot canoe, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>a three three man canoe. I got hit and I
<v Speaker 2>got pushed up completely out of the water. So my
<v Speaker 2>canoe was out of the water, and because of the moonshine,
<v Speaker 2>I could see what was pushing me up out of
<v Speaker 2>the water. And what it looked like was a ridge,
<v Speaker 2>like an animal with a ridge that was diagonally pushing
<v Speaker 2>my pretty much entire boat that I you know, as
<v Speaker 2>far as I know, was completely out of the water.
<v Speaker 2>On the back of this thing and down to my side,
<v Speaker 2>I could see these what looked like dinner dinner plate
<v Speaker 2>size plates, like scales on the side of this thing.
<v Speaker 2>And it pushed me up, and I really tried to
<v Speaker 2>steady myself and I'm looking at this thing, and we
<v Speaker 2>went back into the water. And that was it, right,
<v Speaker 2>like the thing was sticking out in front of me,
<v Speaker 2>and to this I was in the back, of course,
<v Speaker 2>in the canoe. You know, you're if you're by yourself,
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be in the back of the canoe
<v Speaker 2>while you're you're paddling and steering, and so the front
<v Speaker 2>was elevated out by this thing, and I was elevated
<v Speaker 2>on the back, so I have no idea how big
<v Speaker 2>it was, but it was humongous to push me completely
<v Speaker 2>out like that in my whole boat. And so I
<v Speaker 2>pretty much panic because I'm like in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a life jacket in there, I don't
<v Speaker 2>have nothing, you know. Else. I was about a beer
<v Speaker 2>in you know, to relaxing, and Cane went around, and
<v Speaker 2>so I just took off as fast as I could,
<v Speaker 2>for sure, and I got into our dock area and
<v Speaker 2>ran home, went to bed, you know. And the next
<v Speaker 2>morning I woke up and I went and talked to
<v Speaker 2>I thoughd He who was one of the elders. So
<v Speaker 2>we worked with the same guy. Actually, I talked to
<v Speaker 2>about my Bigfoot experience and I told him about it,
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, He goes, man, you need to go
<v Speaker 2>look at the museums pictures of the painted caves and
<v Speaker 2>because the Shumash had painted caves, and he said, uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know there was a a lake like monster basically
<v Speaker 2>that lived here, you know, and that they had painted
<v Speaker 2>pictures of this huge thing and h So he told
<v Speaker 2>me the same thing, you know, really like, wow, man,
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you got to see us. Super cool,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's really neat and U and yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>I was totally free out by it, and I didn't
<v Speaker 2>go back in the water for a couple a couple
<v Speaker 2>of days, and then I went ahead and went on
<v Speaker 2>back to doing what I usually did and never had
<v Speaker 2>a problem again. It never happened again. But but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that was really freaky. And what's interesting about this place
<v Speaker 2>is if you were to google it today, you'd see
<v Speaker 2>that the depth of it is sixty five feet. But
<v Speaker 2>my foreman had it tested by the UC Santa Barbara,
<v Speaker 2>and they did it sixty five feet. They did hit
<v Speaker 2>an algae patch that was six and a half foot
<v Speaker 2>thick that they had broke through and continued to go,
<v Speaker 2>so the rig didn't hit bottom when when when when
<v Speaker 2>we were there, So I don't know how deep that went,
<v Speaker 2>But what they believed the depth to be was really
<v Speaker 2>just probably because of the water temperature and the balloons
<v Speaker 2>out there, because of the saltur and everything. It was
<v Speaker 2>just basically a really thick pad of algae that they
<v Speaker 2>punched through. So so yeah, I really don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>have no idea how deep this place is. It's only
<v Speaker 2>about a mile across. It's not a super big leg,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but like I said, yeah, it's it was
<v Speaker 2>believed the Native Americans believed it was a access point
<v Speaker 2>to the ocean, and they also believed that it was
<v Speaker 2>a portal spot in terms of a you know, they're
<v Speaker 2>they buried their chiefs uh in a in a burial
<v Speaker 2>ground back there that you know, it was let's protected ground,
<v Speaker 2>you know for them it's and and so they really
<v Speaker 2>believed this place had a lot of power. This this
<v Speaker 2>this Zachtal Lake, I had a lot of power to it.
<v Speaker 2>So to have two experiences like that, you know, back
<v Speaker 2>to back, was you know, within within a year of
<v Speaker 2>each other, was pretty intense for me, you know, being
<v Speaker 2>from where I was from. But uh yeah, it was
<v Speaker 2>really really neat. I totally something else. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>we have a lot of people that would come up
<v Speaker 2>with groups and stuff like that. A lot of the
<v Speaker 2>groups that would come up, a lot of them would
<v Speaker 2>be you know, we'd have like metaphysical groups and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that come up a lot. And I'm Christian, and
<v Speaker 2>i I've I'm very much I'm pretty open minded to
<v Speaker 2>just about anything. So I'd love to sit down and
<v Speaker 2>talk to talk to them and kind of see what
<v Speaker 2>their vibe was and what they felt like. And man,
<v Speaker 2>I can't even tell you how many times it would
<v Speaker 2>tell me that that that place was, you know, a
<v Speaker 2>place of power and like a portal location. You know,
<v Speaker 2>many times they tell me that. I would just I
<v Speaker 2>just think, like, yep, I had these experiences, and I
<v Speaker 2>generally wouldn't share it with them because I didn't want
<v Speaker 2>them to go after it, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>to really try to, I don't know, dig into it.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sharing it now because it's so long ago.
<v Speaker 2>This was also like ninety seven, and the place is
<v Speaker 2>locked down, so like you can't go get in it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a private, private property. It's fully locked
<v Speaker 2>by gay patrolled. So it's I'm not as worried about
<v Speaker 2>it anymore today something like that happening. But but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so that was my that was my second experience there.
<v Speaker 2>And what's odd is because of how good, you know,
<v Speaker 2>how how long I was up there. I mean, those
<v Speaker 2>are the only two times, you know, But it's kind
<v Speaker 2>of amazing to me that nothing ever happened again. But
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, I'm amazed that anything happened, you know,
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of a trip.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is absolutely amazing and did the sasquatch arm
<v Speaker 1>encounter happen in the same timeframe as the lake monster encounter?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd say it's about about four and a half
<v Speaker 2>months apart, So sasquatch encounter first and then this lake
<v Speaker 2>monster thing was later on down into the into the
<v Speaker 2>winter months.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there had been some sort of spiritual significance behind it,
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, I feel like something was going
<v Speaker 1>on in your life, were about to happen. What are
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts about that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's definitely possible. It brought me a lot closer
<v Speaker 2>to uh, I think, thinking about things differently in nature
<v Speaker 2>and being more aware that maybe this isn't just you
<v Speaker 2>know what you see on TV. Right like back when
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid it was a national geographic I
<v Speaker 2>could just see this and you know, like the cryptid
<v Speaker 2>thing was really like, you know, really out there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and when it happens to you, that kind of thing
<v Speaker 2>happens to you, it really brings that to you know,
<v Speaker 2>you question things right like like wow, you know the
<v Speaker 2>sasquatch I was more comfortable with because my my my cousin,
<v Speaker 2>my dad's cousin having encounters and stuff like that and
<v Speaker 2>telling us about them. So I was more like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>but this, you know, it really uh it really kind
<v Speaker 2>of like I said, I didn't go back in the
<v Speaker 2>water for a couple of days, and I'm somebody who
<v Speaker 2>was was very difficult to keep out of the water.
<v Speaker 2>You know. It kind of shook me for a second,
<v Speaker 2>and then I kind of realized like, Okay, this thing
<v Speaker 2>was just kind of shown itself to me. It was
<v Speaker 2>just you know, same thing. I'm fortunate to have seen it, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and get on right, and like if it wanted to
<v Speaker 2>do something more, it would have, is what I what
<v Speaker 2>I had thought in it. So it kind of it
<v Speaker 2>did it. It gave me more of a connection, I
<v Speaker 2>would say to the place.
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, Yeah, I agree with that completely. And I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>like even if you're a Christian or whatever you believe,
<v Speaker 1>you wonder like is there really a God? And you
<v Speaker 1>hear all these stories from the Bible, it's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>none of that's happened to me. And you hear about
<v Speaker 1>these conspiracies, whether it's like the Roswell incident and conspiracies
<v Speaker 1>about the government, and when you run into one of
<v Speaker 1>these creatures, it really gets the gears turning and it's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>if that exists, then so does all these other things.
<v Speaker 1>Because honestly, I believed in God more than cryptids. And
<v Speaker 1>once I seen a cryptid, it's like, wow, that that
<v Speaker 1>is real. There is more to life, and it just
<v Speaker 1>opens up a whole new set of doors.
<v Speaker 2>It does. Yeah, And you know, when you're when you're
<v Speaker 2>talking about we were talking about like Roswell for instance,
<v Speaker 2>I was really it's kind of funny because I grew
<v Speaker 2>up my dad was a minister, but in my house,
<v Speaker 2>you know, UFOs, we were very standardized. My grandfather was
<v Speaker 2>in Strategic Air Command in the Air Force, and he
<v Speaker 2>worked at White Sands and he worked at at Nellis
<v Speaker 2>and his he was an artist. So when I grew up,
<v Speaker 2>like we had a picture of a UFO in my
<v Speaker 2>in my den, which is where we all sat and
<v Speaker 2>eate dinner every night and watch TV, you know, our
<v Speaker 2>whole family. And uh so I really thought it was
<v Speaker 2>just a normal thing, you know, Like I totally I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't aware that people didn't believe that UFOs were real.
<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of crazy, but I just really did,
<v Speaker 2>and I really just thought that they were you know,
<v Speaker 2>totally like normal, like everybody had a picture in their household,
<v Speaker 2>right like I did, so why wouldn't they? But that
<v Speaker 2>actually ended up getting potentially getting me into into trouble
<v Speaker 2>one time in my life, and it confirmed when you
<v Speaker 2>talk about government conspiracies, that confirmed some things for me
<v Speaker 2>because I I think seeing that that photographs so much.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you'd be at school and they'd be talking
<v Speaker 2>about something. A teacher might mention something about UFOs and
<v Speaker 2>how they're not real, and I would speak up, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and go, yeah, they are. My grandpa's a picture. We
<v Speaker 2>have a picture on our wall, you know, And I
<v Speaker 2>would tell people because I didn't. I just didn't think
<v Speaker 2>that it was a something that you'd kept secret, right,
<v Speaker 2>And one time I think I was you. I was
<v Speaker 2>like fourteen, and I was at my dad's house and
<v Speaker 2>we went to Kmart and we came home from Kmart.
<v Speaker 2>And my dad was a minister, but he was also
<v Speaker 2>a very private person and kind of extremely protected. He
<v Speaker 2>believed that he was abducted by aliens at one point,
<v Speaker 2>so he was very protective. Our house was super set up,
<v Speaker 2>so you know, we had a security screen that was
<v Speaker 2>reinforced with multiple locks, and then a door that was
<v Speaker 2>reinforced with multiple locks. Well, we came on from Kmart
<v Speaker 2>and those were both open the security screen in the
<v Speaker 2>front door. Nothing wrong with them, nothing was broken, They
<v Speaker 2>were unlocked and opened and we walked in and the
<v Speaker 2>only thing that was taken was that picture of the UFO,
<v Speaker 2>and it was taken off of like we had like
<v Speaker 2>wood paneling and like the picture frames were like wood
<v Speaker 2>paneled picture frames that stuck to the wood paneling, and
<v Speaker 2>it was just ripped out of the center of this
<v Speaker 2>collage of pictures and taken and in the house. My
<v Speaker 2>dad was a musician, so there's tons, I mean probably
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of dollars with a guitar gear and
<v Speaker 2>a firearm saved full of firearms. Nothing was touched except
<v Speaker 2>that picture. So that was about a year before I
<v Speaker 2>went to the End of the Woods, and that really
<v Speaker 2>set me on like a questioning, like, oh, there's only
<v Speaker 2>one way that could have happened. You know, somebody unlocked
<v Speaker 2>the locks. Who would unlock the locks? The only people
<v Speaker 2>that ever keys my dad, you know kind of thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so totally totally freaking Now is such a clear picture
<v Speaker 2>of a UFO over a lake, and I mean like
<v Speaker 2>crystal clear black and white that my grand had taken Anellys.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I was always a believer in that
<v Speaker 2>because of that picture right there.
<v Speaker 1>What did the UFO look like?
<v Speaker 2>Almost exactly like? Uh? It was round, you know, saucer like,
<v Speaker 2>and it had a dome, a small dome on top,
<v Speaker 2>and oh gosh, uh, I cannot remember. Bob Lasar had
<v Speaker 2>actually drawn a picture once one time. I'm sure you
<v Speaker 2>know who boblos Are is. He had drawn a picture
<v Speaker 2>of what he worked on. And when he drew that picture,
<v Speaker 2>I went, that's what was in my grandpa's photograph, like
<v Speaker 2>almost exactly. So it really freaked me out when I
<v Speaker 2>saw that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is really interesting. And it's hard to say
<v Speaker 1>who broke in and stole this photo, but my guess
<v Speaker 1>is word got around and someone who was in the
<v Speaker 1>know found out about it and broke in and took it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would I would say that that is there's only,
<v Speaker 2>you know, very few people that would have the skill
<v Speaker 2>set to be able to get into the house and
<v Speaker 2>do that and then you know, and target just that
<v Speaker 2>thing for sure.
<v Speaker 1>And they definitely were watching you guys, because they knew
<v Speaker 1>when you wouldn't be home, how to get in there
<v Speaker 1>and how to get through the locks, and just to
<v Speaker 1>know where exactly everything was and what was there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, totally when and then after that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you're like, dang, I'm never safe, right, Like if they
<v Speaker 2>can get into my dad's house, they can get anywhere. Like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of freaky, but uh yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping, Oh, go ahead, go ahead. I was gonna say,
<v Speaker 1>I had someone break in my house once and they
<v Speaker 1>got in through the window and the only thing they
<v Speaker 1>took was the Xbox and the games. And it's like,
<v Speaker 1>why didn't they take all the rifles on the wall
<v Speaker 1>and everything else that was in the house, guitars, all
<v Speaker 1>kinds of expensive stuff. They only took the Xbox. So
<v Speaker 1>that led me to believe it was someone that I knew.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, probably, yeah, yeah, it's it's uh, it's interesting
<v Speaker 2>because I now have in my possession locked up. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it would matter or not, but probably not.
<v Speaker 2>I have probably tens of thousands of negatives and from
<v Speaker 2>all of my grandpa's art working pictures, so I'm in
<v Speaker 2>the process of going through those, and I'm hoping that
<v Speaker 2>I find it in there. You know, that'd be wonderful.
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see see if anything ever comes of it.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that'd be amazing if you find it. I
<v Speaker 1>want to see a copy of it. I won't share
<v Speaker 1>with you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish I would. I wish my
<v Speaker 2>dad would have told me just not to say anything,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I wouldn't have, but I just didn't know.
<v Speaker 2>I just was like, oh, yeah, that's really you know,
<v Speaker 2>like I'd almost get into fights about it at school.
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, when you hear the people you trust
<v Speaker 1>or that are supposed to be leading the children, and
<v Speaker 1>you know, we learn from them, when they say UFOs
<v Speaker 1>aren't real, and you know they are, you have to
<v Speaker 1>speak up because how would they know, Like there's so
<v Speaker 1>many planets out there, so many galaxies, and for them
<v Speaker 1>to teach that it's not real, I mean that's extremely
<v Speaker 1>closed minded and that's just the way the system works nowadays.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, Yeah, I agree totally.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So going back to the lake monster, what do
<v Speaker 1>you think it was? What do the natives say about it?
<v Speaker 1>Was it like lockness or was it like a Leviathan?
<v Speaker 1>How can you describe this creature?
<v Speaker 2>I would say probably like lockness. Yeah, not the serpent
<v Speaker 2>like but more like the h what was it called,
<v Speaker 2>like a placio sort of like so like, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's what That's what I would guess that. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, the back was very rigid. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it had this I mean very defined ridge, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like spying almost you know.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>And and that that really caught my eye because it
<v Speaker 2>was the ridge was glistening in the in the moonlight,
<v Speaker 2>you know, along with the scales, but you could see
<v Speaker 2>where the indentations were next to the top of the ridge,
<v Speaker 2>you know, when it came down into the muscle or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>right like into the shape of the body. And it
<v Speaker 2>had to be pretty wide because you know, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>canoes are they're they're not super wide, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>about probably thirty six inches or so wide, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and it was wider than that and longer than my canoe,
<v Speaker 2>so much longer. I'm sure to be lifting me out
<v Speaker 2>because it felt like it was arcing when it hit me,
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of like like a wheale does. It
<v Speaker 2>felt like it was pushing me up in an arc
<v Speaker 2>and then coming back down. When I came back down,
<v Speaker 2>I came back on pretty smooth, you know, like I
<v Speaker 2>had stabilized because you're in a canoe. But it was
<v Speaker 2>it was relatively smooth. It wasn't like a splash, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so that that's what makes me think it was arcing,
<v Speaker 2>like it came up, pushed me out in an arc
<v Speaker 2>and came back down.
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that had have been a creepy feeling. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's wild when you see a cryptid creature, how animal
<v Speaker 1>like they are, like they'd always been there, but people
<v Speaker 1>say they come from other dimensions, portals, and it's just
<v Speaker 1>wild seeing something like that because it seems so natural
<v Speaker 1>in its environment.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, totally, like it's was supposed
<v Speaker 2>to be there and it was just showing itself to
<v Speaker 2>me real quick. Yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So the natives said that there's possibly like underground entrances
<v Speaker 1>like underneath the lake that lead out to the ocean
<v Speaker 1>and it's a portal area.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they I mean, there was a couple that
<v Speaker 2>believed that in a couple of Native American elders that
<v Speaker 2>I had I had helped when I worked up there.
<v Speaker 2>They allowed me to help build their sweat sweat lodges
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and they had told me that they even
<v Speaker 2>had tales of the US military popping up with submarine
<v Speaker 2>in the lake that you know, that's what they were
<v Speaker 2>told by their parents, that the that you know, that
<v Speaker 2>the military would come in, and that's how they it's
<v Speaker 2>kind of how they confirmed some of their their theories
<v Speaker 2>about them there being a connection somewhere, which you know,
<v Speaker 2>seems totally crazy because the lake's not very big, like
<v Speaker 2>I said, and there's in your your landlocked like we're
<v Speaker 2>you're forty miles from the road, you know, and an
<v Speaker 2>hour and you know, maybe sixty sixty five miles from
<v Speaker 2>the ocean at that point, maybe more, you know.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, to me, that does make sense. And maybe
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis knew about these portals and cryptive creatures, and
<v Speaker 1>maybe Hitler got away like just by using these portals
<v Speaker 1>or these underground tunnel systems or lakes. Maybe it's not
<v Speaker 1>the way we heard, like he escaped to Brazil or Argentina.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he took a different route. Now I know, that's
<v Speaker 1>like a wild conspiracy and way out there, but you
<v Speaker 1>just never know if these things do exist, they knew
<v Speaker 1>about that kind of stuff, because there's claims that they
<v Speaker 1>were I don't know into like the UFO subject and.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, super into the occult. Yeah, exactly, very heavily
<v Speaker 2>into the occult, Like I mean, he was obsessed from
<v Speaker 2>when I understand anyway from r I've read. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's super possible. I mean you never know. Yeah, like
<v Speaker 2>you said, when you start to see some of this
<v Speaker 2>stuff and you're like wow, like it really does open
<v Speaker 2>up a world of things, you're like, okay, well if
<v Speaker 2>that's real, there can be a lot of things that
<v Speaker 2>are real, right, like truly. Yeah. It's also interesting about
<v Speaker 2>that place is like I said, we had this, uh
<v Speaker 2>this they had you know, they buried their chiefs there
<v Speaker 2>and they burnt their dead on the lake. So you know, uh,
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what they did, is they buried their
<v Speaker 2>chiefs in a place called Chiefs Canyon, which was just maybe, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a couple hundred yards from the lake
<v Speaker 2>as as the crow flies, and then they would they
<v Speaker 2>would burn their burn their dead on the lake. So
<v Speaker 2>when we would we used to hike to a spring
<v Speaker 2>that was through the canyon, through the Chiefs Canyon, through
<v Speaker 2>the barrow ground and there's a path that you know
<v Speaker 2>kind of uh it traversed it going along the outside
<v Speaker 2>of the burial ground, and uh, I had gone there
<v Speaker 2>with a couple of elders to get water a couple
<v Speaker 2>of times, because we'd get fresh spring run right out
<v Speaker 2>of the side of the hill there. And so I
<v Speaker 2>would go at everyone's smile because when I told you
<v Speaker 2>we had a lot of mountain lion activity. When you
<v Speaker 2>get into that area, just before you got to the
<v Speaker 2>burial ground, there was tons of like I say tons
<v Speaker 2>is probably probably six seven, eight ten, maybe large machines,
<v Speaker 2>you know, tractors, dozers, earth movers that were away older
<v Speaker 2>that were left there and abandoned. So the story was
<v Speaker 2>that they were abandoned because they were scared out of
<v Speaker 2>that area and they just left these things. So I
<v Speaker 2>mean they were like rotting into the riverbed and anyway
<v Speaker 2>you'd have to walk past this. And then as soon
<v Speaker 2>as you get up on the other side of the
<v Speaker 2>riverbed that they were, they were dozing at one time.
<v Speaker 2>You get into the chiefs barrow ground and when you
<v Speaker 2>start walking along that I'd like to I'd like to
<v Speaker 2>go at night and you would hear start to hear
<v Speaker 2>little noises, you know, and if you were quick about it,
<v Speaker 2>you could catch a mountain lion kind of tracking you,
<v Speaker 2>or two or three times, you know, four or five,
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy. That's not how they operate. So that
<v Speaker 2>really is interesting because that's the only time that ever happened.
<v Speaker 2>Nothing ever happened to me. I mean, I went hundreds
<v Speaker 2>of times through there, you know, and I'd go through there,
<v Speaker 2>and I took my mom one time and she was
<v Speaker 2>up to visit me, and we walked through there and
<v Speaker 2>I told her, Okay, let's stop. When you hear something,
<v Speaker 2>just stop, and then I told her I'm gonna try.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna catch a lion with my lights. Watch and
<v Speaker 2>I did. I turned and I got out with a flashlight,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and there was like four of them, and
<v Speaker 2>she she was really trying up a panic, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and I told her, don't worry. They don't do anything.
<v Speaker 2>They just walk with you. And then when you get
<v Speaker 2>out of it and you're heading towards the spring, they
<v Speaker 2>don't follow you. They only follow you when you're on
<v Speaker 2>long the burial ground, and they don't do anything. We're
<v Speaker 2>not doing anything, you know, we're just walking through. And yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so that's kind of something that's totally freaky. I wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>have sat, you know, many times, like I said, my
<v Speaker 2>mom my boss he's the one that we originally went
<v Speaker 2>up there with. One of the elders noticed it and
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, yeah, I don't worry about it, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So they're kind of the guardians of the of the
<v Speaker 2>burial ground there, so that was kind of So. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this whole place was very it's very there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of energy there.
<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah, it's a spiritual area for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like in today's world, like if you have
<v Speaker 1>a crypti encounter, people will listen to you in the
<v Speaker 1>cryptive community and that's pretty much it. But like ya
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, if you had these encounters, as
<v Speaker 1>you get older, you possibly become an elder. Is that
<v Speaker 1>how that work? Like the elders experienced things that most
<v Speaker 1>of the tribe never had the opportunity to experience. How
<v Speaker 1>do you become an elder or a chief?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not sure exactly, I know that that. In
<v Speaker 2>terms of elders. Yeah, there was only like at the time,
<v Speaker 2>like probably six or seven of them that I talked to,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that I would one that lived there,
<v Speaker 2>and then five or six that would come up. And
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting too, because there were some younger guys that
<v Speaker 2>would come up as well, and they'd help work, you know,
<v Speaker 2>especially when we were doing stuff like the sweat lodges
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, and it would help work. But
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times they had problems, you know, maybe
<v Speaker 2>you know, alcohol, drug abuse problems and stuff, and the
<v Speaker 2>elders would ask them to leave, they would't let them
<v Speaker 2>stay to night. So I'm not sure what that hierarchy
<v Speaker 2>was like, but I can tell you that there was
<v Speaker 2>a level of respect that you had to obtain and
<v Speaker 2>keep consistently to be allowed to really even just stay
<v Speaker 2>there at all. And that even comes down to the
<v Speaker 2>owner allowing groups up and stuff. If they were disrespectful
<v Speaker 2>in any way, no matter the money that they were paying,
<v Speaker 2>they were non you know. I mean we had eighty
<v Speaker 2>six them out of there very quickly, and yeah, that
<v Speaker 2>was kind of It's interesting because we would have groups
<v Speaker 2>that would come up, you know, for a month, and
<v Speaker 2>we'd have like you know, Zenri treats. They would come
<v Speaker 2>up and it's no talking, so silent retreat where they'd
<v Speaker 2>have you know, you'd have thirty, forty, fifty sixty people
<v Speaker 2>that would come up and there's no words spoken. So
<v Speaker 2>you have to also do the same when you're working
<v Speaker 2>with them because it's you know, that's just part of
<v Speaker 2>the part of the job, you know, And uh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of kind of interesting. We had people
<v Speaker 2>who came up to do a vision quest. They were
<v Speaker 2>there from Germany, a group from Germany that came into
<v Speaker 2>the vision quests out there, and I let a lot
<v Speaker 2>of those guys out to do their vision quests and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, along with some a couple of travel
<v Speaker 2>members that you know, okate it and uh and they
<v Speaker 2>were super interested because they they wanted them to get
<v Speaker 2>to know the culture really, you know, they were super
<v Speaker 2>happy to kind of talk about it and show it.
<v Speaker 2>And and it's cool too because this place, I don't
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they do it anymore. But we used
<v Speaker 2>to do like camp for kids that were less fortunate
<v Speaker 2>and they would come up, you know, from la and
<v Speaker 2>stuff and spend a week and out in the woods
<v Speaker 2>you know, and just learn and how to you know,
<v Speaker 2>how to use a canoe and had to eat outside
<v Speaker 2>really and just be you know, and so it was
<v Speaker 2>really a neat place in the elders. They really would
<v Speaker 2>come up and they'd do a showcase and we didn't
<v Speaker 2>get the Santa Barbara University to come out and they'd
<v Speaker 2>sent a biologist and they'd go through all the plant
<v Speaker 2>life and the animals. You know, we had a lot of,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, bears, mountain lions, a lot of rattlesnakes.
<v Speaker 2>We had a panther up there, a black panther that
<v Speaker 2>escaped from a Neverland ranch, which is kind of funny,
<v Speaker 2>which was Michael Jackson's ranch. So because it's actually relatively
<v Speaker 2>close to that's maybe, oh, I don't know, thirty five
<v Speaker 2>miles from Neverland Ranch as the crow flies you know,
<v Speaker 2>through the woods and they had an escape and their
<v Speaker 2>handlers came out to our property and asked if they
<v Speaker 2>could come on in track and we did. We took
<v Speaker 2>part with them and tried to track it and they
<v Speaker 2>never found it. But you could you could hear it
<v Speaker 2>at night. You know, it's totally like a new, a
<v Speaker 2>new night sound. You know, every once in a while
<v Speaker 2>you'd hear this thing and it was like way dominant.
<v Speaker 2>It's very interesting, yeah, that is.
<v Speaker 1>And what kind of encounters have you heard from the
<v Speaker 1>area from the natives, your friends or other family members.
<v Speaker 1>Has anyone else seen a sasquatch or a strange crypto creature?
<v Speaker 1>That they can't explain.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, my dad thought he was abducted. He
<v Speaker 2>believed he was abducted by UFOs, my dad's cousin. He'd
<v Speaker 2>seen Sasquatch several times. He said he lived in Watsonville
<v Speaker 2>up in Santa Cruz and then they also lived out
<v Speaker 2>in the woods up and up in the Redwoods in
<v Speaker 2>the coastals coastal Redwoods for some time. And he said
<v Speaker 2>he almost hit one with the Volkswagen bus on accident,
<v Speaker 2>and they were very much into he was a a
<v Speaker 2>a farmer, let's put it that way, out in the
<v Speaker 2>middle of the woods in northern California. And yeah, he
<v Speaker 2>said he had quite quite a lot of experiences, all positive.
<v Speaker 2>He never said he had any negative experiences with him
<v Speaker 2>with sasquatchever And in terms of the tribe I worked with, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they they were really like almost like oh yeah, that's
<v Speaker 2>how it is, you know, kind of like totally like
<v Speaker 2>normal about it, you know, which was really cool for
<v Speaker 2>me because I could talk to somebody about it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and not feel like I was I was crazy, right,
<v Speaker 2>because they're just totally like welcoming about it and like
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, you know, you're really lucky and that's super cool.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you know, we have. And that's the thing
<v Speaker 2>that it's, like I said, it's a shoemash and they
<v Speaker 2>have painted caves and apparently there is a bipedal creature
<v Speaker 2>that's depicted in the painted caves along with a some
<v Speaker 2>type of lake creature. So so yeah, they have a deep,
<v Speaker 2>deep lore of that of both of those things that
<v Speaker 2>I got to witness while I was there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the myth is reality, and that's how it is.
<v Speaker 1>In Washington. A guy that I interviewed for Washington, he
<v Speaker 1>told one of the natives, oh my gosh, I've just
<v Speaker 1>seen a Sasquatch. I can't believe in. The native was
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh yeah, yeah, they're out there every spring.
<v Speaker 1>They come down from the mountain. He just acts like
<v Speaker 1>it was no big deal, went back inside and did
<v Speaker 1>his regular routine. The guy was shocked. He's like, he
<v Speaker 1>acted like it was no big deal.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's interesting. I live in North
<v Speaker 2>Idaho now, you know, and we're I'm only about an
<v Speaker 2>hour from Canada, an hour and a half from Canada,
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, we do have a lot of
<v Speaker 2>sightings and stuff around here, and it's a thing here
<v Speaker 2>for sure. You know, it's a it's a culture up here.
<v Speaker 2>I've worked so since i've been I've been up here
<v Speaker 2>ten years and I've I've worked so much that i
<v Speaker 2>haven't even I haven't got out and done anything that
<v Speaker 2>I've wanted to do. So I'm not going to experience
<v Speaker 2>I do it work. So I'm not going to experience
<v Speaker 2>him doing it work. So I'm trying to make it
<v Speaker 2>a point to get out more. But uh, yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>in in in California, in that area. It's It's interesting
<v Speaker 2>because if you're in northern California, it's very accepted. You know,
<v Speaker 2>at that time in the nineties and two thousands, and
<v Speaker 2>it was very accepted where I was, which was like
<v Speaker 2>they call it central like the southern tip of Central
<v Speaker 2>cup but there is really no such thing. It's southern
<v Speaker 2>California still. So you're only two and a half hour
<v Speaker 2>three hours from La North La. You know, it's not far,
<v Speaker 2>and it's people really think you're out there if you've
<v Speaker 2>had an experience in that area, because you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>mainly people who just don't know. You know that that
<v Speaker 2>there is desolate woods in southern California. A lot of
<v Speaker 2>people just don't know. There's I mean, you know, millions
<v Speaker 2>of acres that are have there's nobody has seen in that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, very few have seen, I should say, in
<v Speaker 2>that area. But it's because there's such a big bubble
<v Speaker 2>of human beings, you know, and they just really can't imagine,
<v Speaker 2>you know, SASA watch being in Los Angeles, right, But
<v Speaker 2>but it's not that far from LA. It's it's relatively close,
<v Speaker 2>you know. But you know that population dips off as
<v Speaker 2>soon as you get out of LA. It starts dipping
<v Speaker 2>off drastically. Yeah. Uh so, yeah, when you tell people
<v Speaker 2>about that, they're like, well, like three hours north LA. Yeah, right,
<v Speaker 2>you know that kind of thing is they're not gonna
<v Speaker 2>really buy it. It's not as accepted in that area.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I was even I was talking to a
<v Speaker 2>buddy at work the other day and he grew up
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, you know, and he, uh, he asked me,
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about it, and I have I happen
<v Speaker 2>to have like the gimblin picture on my phone, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and that's my screensaver. It's like one of my rotating
<v Speaker 2>pictures that pops through and uh and he said that,
<v Speaker 2>and he goes Oh you think that's what I told me, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>do you know? And he laughed at me. He goes,
<v Speaker 2>he goes, what do you're from? La? What do you know?
<v Speaker 2>You know? And I didn't say. I just laughed, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, okay, dude, whatever you know, Like I don't,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it doesn't matter to me. But it's funny
<v Speaker 2>because you know, he imagines me, and you know it
<v Speaker 2>is he grew up in the woods. I lived in
<v Speaker 2>isolation for your and a half in the woods, you know,
<v Speaker 2>or more, you know what I mean, and you just
<v Speaker 2>would never know that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's wild how populated California is. But when you
<v Speaker 1>look on a map, it's crazy how much woods there is.
<v Speaker 1>If you get on Google Earth, it's just there's just
<v Speaker 1>so much woods, especially around every big city. I mean
<v Speaker 1>there's more woods than city, it seems like, especially like
<v Speaker 1>in Humboldt County, like up north, I mean all all
<v Speaker 1>over the place. Really, I mean it's wild.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's super I mean, if you like the Grapevine,
<v Speaker 2>it's super populated, driving wise, but there's like towns that
<v Speaker 2>the towns that are there like maybe a thousand people,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and then it's just like desert and forest.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's just this vastness there that is untouched.
<v Speaker 2>Really anything can be living there. Sure, you know, even
<v Speaker 2>if they weren't traveling through portals, you know, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>they could for sure sustain themselves. There's a lot of deer,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's it's it's it's a very populous
<v Speaker 2>like you said, but it's also quite rural and a
<v Speaker 2>lot of and most of it is rural, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>For sure. And I mean these things are physical creatures.
<v Speaker 1>They are out there eating nuts and berries, but at
<v Speaker 1>the same time, there's something deeper going on, and I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. That's what really blows my mind is that
<v Speaker 1>the spiritual realm, like a creature from that from the
<v Speaker 1>spiritual realm would need to eat physical food. But that
<v Speaker 1>leads me to believe that their realm is a lot
<v Speaker 1>more real than ours, and maybe we're the ones living
<v Speaker 1>in the matrix. One of my friends brought that up
<v Speaker 1>the other day. He's like, what if we are living
<v Speaker 1>in the matrix and these creatures kind of just get
<v Speaker 1>input into our reality and then taken out, which you know,
<v Speaker 1>kind of does make sense to a degree because you
<v Speaker 1>hear people talking about the tracks that just disappear. The
<v Speaker 1>creature just vanished into thin air. You hear about the orbs,
<v Speaker 1>and it makes you wonder, like, yeah, if we're living
<v Speaker 1>in a simulation, which I don't know, it kind of
<v Speaker 1>seems like, especially with Jesus rising from death, he defied
<v Speaker 1>all that and he was he was able to predict
<v Speaker 1>that before it ever even happened.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, Yeah, it's very very interesting.
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, like Jeff Melgrim obviously, I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>you know that he passed away last week. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 2>you know, he his like he proved to me anyway
<v Speaker 2>and be on the sholf of doubt as far as
<v Speaker 2>I'm aware that there is some type of physicality to them, right,
<v Speaker 2>Like there's prints and they're legit, and there have their
<v Speaker 2>own patterns and you know, have their own markers, just
<v Speaker 2>like we do with our feet in our hands. And
<v Speaker 2>at the same time you have these orbs and you
<v Speaker 2>have things disappearing and ah, some know, I think I
<v Speaker 2>was watching a video of Less Strouds when he was
<v Speaker 2>up in you know, in Canada, of an apple being
<v Speaker 2>taken at a height that is unimaginable you know on film, right,
<v Speaker 2>like avoiding the camera so smoothly while doing it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and that really that kind of stuff is and him
<v Speaker 2>talking about orbs out in the middle of you know,
<v Speaker 2>woods that are so deep and desolate, like there's there's
<v Speaker 2>no way anybody who's never been in that could even
<v Speaker 2>understand how how desolate that is out there right how
<v Speaker 2>or how you know there's nothing there. So it's it's
<v Speaker 2>pretty You shouldn't be seeing lights footing in the air. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And it's horrible what happened to doctor
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Meldrum, And he truly will be missed. He definitely
<v Speaker 1>brought a lot to the table when it comes to
<v Speaker 1>the subject, and I really, I really liked his approach,
<v Speaker 1>like we need physical proof, even if they are spiritual,
<v Speaker 1>we need physical proof of a physical being because they
<v Speaker 1>do leave tracks, you can find hair, you can video
<v Speaker 1>these creatures. But on another note, there are things going
<v Speaker 1>on that we can't explain, and possibly the missing people
<v Speaker 1>are stepping into these other realms. And you hear these
<v Speaker 1>stories where somebody just went missing and they ended up
<v Speaker 1>forty miles away from where they previously were and they
<v Speaker 1>have no idea how they got there. And people see
<v Speaker 1>this evidence with the missing people, like this kid went
<v Speaker 1>missing and ended up seventy miles away from where he
<v Speaker 1>went missing, Like, how does that even happen? Like there's
<v Speaker 1>no explanation to it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, that stuff's a trip totally,
<v Speaker 2>It really is.
<v Speaker 1>I've interviewed people. They said that it was a lady
<v Speaker 1>named Kristen and Georgia, and one of our research partners
<v Speaker 1>claims that he was looking at an ORB and he
<v Speaker 1>he voiced over to her through the walkie talkie and
<v Speaker 1>he ended up somewhere else after seeing the ORB completely
<v Speaker 1>different way. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And over the weekend, I was with my friend Adam
<v Speaker 1>from the Half inch Wrench Crew and he was telling
<v Speaker 1>me that his friend was hunting a wildlife area and
<v Speaker 1>he ended up somewhere completely different. He has no idea
<v Speaker 1>how he got there. They were all looking for him
<v Speaker 1>and everyone was just baffled.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's so crazy. Yeah, that's that's something else right there. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I haven't. I haven't experienced anything quite like that exactly myself.
<v Speaker 1>Have you heard about it from the natives or anybody locally?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I have heard about you know, a missing time
<v Speaker 2>for sure that you know, people would miss days and
<v Speaker 2>sometimes longer of their life and not know, you know
<v Speaker 2>where you know a lot of times a lot of
<v Speaker 2>the vision quests and stuff like that. That's kind of
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they would do like usually a week
<v Speaker 2>or so, but they really didn't know because it was
<v Speaker 2>whenever it took place, right, whatever they were looking for
<v Speaker 2>was shown to them, which is basically when you're your
<v Speaker 2>your spirit animal comes into your circle and then that
<v Speaker 2>okays you to pretty much finish up. Right. There wasn't
<v Speaker 2>like a time on them, but they weren't even aware
<v Speaker 2>of time with those things really right, like it it's
<v Speaker 2>like it was it just happens. So it's but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they definitely definitely had talked about uh missing time and
<v Speaker 2>time slowing and speeding up, and especially in the area
<v Speaker 2>that I.
<v Speaker 1>Worked there, it's a strange thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I had I had an
<v Speaker 2>experience where I almost I got I was in the ocean.
<v Speaker 2>I'd paddled out to h it was a real big,
<v Speaker 2>real big storm and a couple of my buddies didn't
<v Speaker 2>think I could make it out. It was probably twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty five foot like really maxed out beach break that
<v Speaker 2>was just crazy and super consistent, and I told them, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I can make it out. You know. I was maybe
<v Speaker 2>eighteen at the time. And I threw my whatsuit on
<v Speaker 2>and I paddled out and I found a rip current
<v Speaker 2>to pull me out, which is pretty normal if you're
<v Speaker 2>a surfer. Everybody does that. And I paddled out there. Well,
<v Speaker 2>with the storm surge and everything that the rip was
<v Speaker 2>too much for me to overcome. I couldn't overcome it.
<v Speaker 2>So it just kept pulling me out until I couldn't
<v Speaker 2>see houses anymore. You know. The beach was gone, and
<v Speaker 2>I could not paddle parallel like you're taught. You're paddle
<v Speaker 2>parallel to the beach and I get you out of
<v Speaker 2>the rip and then you go in. Well, I couldn't,
<v Speaker 2>and it was stormy, and it was starting to get dark,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like now in the middle of the Pacific
<v Speaker 2>in the wintertime, you know, And so I turned around
<v Speaker 2>and I just closed my eyes and started praying, and
<v Speaker 2>I just started paddling as hard as I could into
<v Speaker 2>the rip. How you're not supposed to, and I have
<v Speaker 2>no idea how long. But when I opened my eyes
<v Speaker 2>back up, I started to be able to see lights,
<v Speaker 2>and I was able to get back in. I found
<v Speaker 2>myself paddling and just put my head down, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>close my eyes and then you know, just focused on
<v Speaker 2>just paddling and not feeling like the pain from the paddle,
<v Speaker 2>from anything, you know, fatigue or anything. And like I said,
<v Speaker 2>when I open my eyes back up, everything was coming
<v Speaker 2>back into view, you know, and I was, I was.
<v Speaker 2>I made I don't even know how much progress because
<v Speaker 2>it was probably an hour that I was getting sucked
<v Speaker 2>down to the ocean, and there's no way it was
<v Speaker 2>an hour that I was coming back. So I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if that's like something like that, but that's the
<v Speaker 2>only time in my life I could say that I've
<v Speaker 2>had any type of experience like that where, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it had to do with my
<v Speaker 2>adrenaline or or what, but I know that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I just I just knew that if I didn't do
<v Speaker 2>this thing, that I was going to die, you know,
<v Speaker 2>And and that's what I did, you know. And yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I made it back, but uh, I got my twenty bucks.
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, it didn't seem like it did seem
<v Speaker 2>like there was a large lapse in time there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>from when I determined myself to do this thing, and
<v Speaker 2>when I suddenly was able to get back in you know. So,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I don't know what that if that
<v Speaker 2>has anything to do with with losing time of any sort,
<v Speaker 2>but it was the closest I've ever come I contain that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's wild, and I'm glad you found your way
<v Speaker 1>back and going out in the ocean alone, that's that's spooky, man.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, stupid is what it is. It's not smart.
<v Speaker 1>I've done it before and I'll never do it again.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>When I interviewed the Native from Canada last week, he
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the sweat lodge as well. Is that something you
<v Speaker 1>guys do according to your spiritual faith or is it
<v Speaker 1>just like a comfort thing?
<v Speaker 2>So it was done, it was it was really I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even like it was amazing that they allowed me
<v Speaker 2>to even take part in building it because it's sacred
<v Speaker 2>and uh. And then yeah, I was allowed to use
<v Speaker 2>it when we wanted to. And it's really just a
<v Speaker 2>really just like a meditative thing where you sit down
<v Speaker 2>and you know they would do what they did. You know,
<v Speaker 2>they might they might have a pipe, or they might
<v Speaker 2>you know, they might use some tobacco and something like that,
<v Speaker 2>or or they might have a meeting. But for me,
<v Speaker 2>when when we would do it, you know, me and
<v Speaker 2>my my buddy, I would I would usually just sit
<v Speaker 2>there and pray or just try to clear my thoughts.
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't never do it too long, you know,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes man they'd been there for a while. But but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it was it was amazing that they'd allow me to
<v Speaker 2>even take part in collecting the rocks that you needed,
<v Speaker 2>because even that part is considered sacred to them. So
<v Speaker 2>to that tribe, you know, to all tribes, I'm sure,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it's it's a it's a for them, it's
<v Speaker 2>a religious thing for sure. For me, I was kind
<v Speaker 2>of I just I just want to be part of it,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I didn't ask they asked me, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, if I would have asked, they probably would
<v Speaker 2>have said no. But they asked me to be a
<v Speaker 2>part of it. And it is, oddly enough, it is
<v Speaker 2>after I told them about my encounter and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>and we had we had a you know, some some
<v Speaker 2>chats about that type of thing, you know, and uh so,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know if, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>my mentality was very much just trying to be in
<v Speaker 2>tune with my surroundings and just be as respectful as
<v Speaker 2>I possibly could. And I think that that that's why
<v Speaker 2>I was allowed to be part of those things.
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, they must have saw something big in you
<v Speaker 1>and they accepted you as one of their own. And
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing and that I believe that they definitely believed you.
<v Speaker 1>And a light bulb went off in my head as
<v Speaker 1>you were describing the sweat lodge. I've had several experiences
<v Speaker 1>and also some really close friends of mine that aren't
<v Speaker 1>around anymore, with the Sasquatch leaving these smooth stones for
<v Speaker 1>us to leave them on the porch in the middle
<v Speaker 1>of trails or down by the creek bottoms, though put
<v Speaker 1>them in strange formations. And yeah, when you said that
<v Speaker 1>even the stone are sacred and I don't know, it
<v Speaker 1>made me wonder like why, Because I was actually wondering
<v Speaker 1>this today as I was preparing a PowerPoint presentation for
<v Speaker 1>a Bigfoot conference that I'm doing in Richlyn, Missouri, later
<v Speaker 1>on this week, and I put some photos of the
<v Speaker 1>rocks that they gifted. I'm like, why do they do this?
<v Speaker 1>And when you were explaining that that the rocks are sacred.
<v Speaker 1>A light bulb went off.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's interesting for sure, that totally they really do
<v Speaker 2>have meaning to them. Yeah, so that that is that's
<v Speaker 2>super interesting. Yeah, I didn't really know, you know, at
<v Speaker 2>the time, I didn't know about formations and things like that.
<v Speaker 2>I know more about it now, of course, but I
<v Speaker 2>had no idea at the time, so I never even
<v Speaker 2>looked for anything like that. But but collecting, yeah, that
<v Speaker 2>was a big thing, like they really wanted, you know,
<v Speaker 2>being just being a being a part of that was
<v Speaker 2>like my my foreman wasn't allowed to so I mean
<v Speaker 2>he was you know, he was not absolutely not allowed
<v Speaker 2>to be part of it. So yeah he was, you know,
<v Speaker 2>he's a nice guy, good dude. He just he was crazy.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if anything to do with it
<v Speaker 2>was he was an old bull rider, so he was nuts.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's like that in every religion, Like if
<v Speaker 1>you live a sinful life, there's certain things that you
<v Speaker 1>can't do in the church. And I remember reading in
<v Speaker 1>the Old Testament about the Arc of the Covenant and
<v Speaker 1>like only certain people were allowed to go into the tent,
<v Speaker 1>certain people were allowed to handle the arc and anything
<v Speaker 1>that involved it, Like there were certain jobs, like they
<v Speaker 1>had priests and guards and only like it was sacred
<v Speaker 1>grounds and yeah, if you were like not cleansed, you
<v Speaker 1>could not go in there, you couldn't touch certain things.
<v Speaker 1>So it definitely makes sense with you know, the the
<v Speaker 1>natives traditions for me anyways.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, ndre PC, Yeah, I think there's definitely connection
<v Speaker 2>there with that for sure.
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, absolutely, Okay, Matt, do you have anything else
<v Speaker 1>that you'd like to share, anything that you can think of.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm holding you up, man, but if
<v Speaker 1>you got more stuff, I'd definitely love to hear about it.
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's I think that's pretty much yet
<v Speaker 2>for me that I can think of offhand anyway. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>mean I had, you know, some I've had paranormal experiences
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. A couple of those that were better. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I could go through one or two of those real quick,
<v Speaker 2>if you like. It was probably pretty close to the
<v Speaker 2>same age I was. Probably one of my grandfathers was
<v Speaker 2>a so my dad was a minister. My mom's dad
<v Speaker 2>was more into the occult and witchcraft, so growing up
<v Speaker 2>around Halloween, he would really get into the Ouiji board
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, and so I learned to play
<v Speaker 2>with it when I was pretty young, right like at
<v Speaker 2>his house and my dad. My dad had always you know,
<v Speaker 2>i'd learned about it. I shouldn't say I learn to
<v Speaker 2>play with that. I've learned about it when I was
<v Speaker 2>pretty young. I was probably like ten years old or so,
<v Speaker 2>eight years old, I learned about it. I didn't play it.
<v Speaker 2>I told my dad about it. My dad told me,
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't don't ever touch that thing, you know,
<v Speaker 2>don't go anywhere near it, don't put your hands on it,
<v Speaker 2>don't take a part in anything that has to do
<v Speaker 2>with it, you know. So it was like a very
<v Speaker 2>taboo right for me. So on my twelfth birthday. My
<v Speaker 2>parents were divorced when I was eight. So I was
<v Speaker 2>at my mom's house on my twelfth birthday and I
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to play the Wuigi board. So I told
<v Speaker 2>my friends. So they got me one and we sat
<v Speaker 2>down and we played it. And you know, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it worked or not. I have
<v Speaker 2>no idea because there were a bunch of twelve year olds,
<v Speaker 2>right twelve, thirteen or fourteen year olds playing this game,
<v Speaker 2>you know, at night in a house that you know,
<v Speaker 2>in my mom's house and all alone pretty much. And
<v Speaker 2>so the next it was about two days later, the
<v Speaker 2>weekend came. My dad came to pick me up, and
<v Speaker 2>he picked me up on Friday, and uh, I got
<v Speaker 2>in the truck and he drove me out into the
<v Speaker 2>desert and he got out of the truck and he
<v Speaker 2>said get out. And I got out and I walked
<v Speaker 2>over to him and he said, uh, what did you do?
<v Speaker 2>I told him, what what are you talking about? You know?
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, what did you do? And he did
<v Speaker 2>something you shouldn't have done? What did you do? I
<v Speaker 2>told him, I don't know you're talking. I just started vomiting.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, he said, you played the Wigi board. I
<v Speaker 2>told you not to play it. And I stopped vombiting.
<v Speaker 2>I felt way better. I didn't feel sick or anything.
<v Speaker 2>Before getting the truck was fine. When I got out,
<v Speaker 2>I started talking to him, this feeling came over me,
<v Speaker 2>just you know, just super nauseous. I just like I said,
<v Speaker 2>just vomited all over the place and it's terrible. And
<v Speaker 2>that was fine, you know, And he said, uh, he
<v Speaker 2>said man, and he prayed for me. And we got
<v Speaker 2>back in the truck and we drove home and he
<v Speaker 2>talked to me about it and told me that's a
<v Speaker 2>stepping stone and I shouldn't touch that. So I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>who told him? Right, Like my friends didn't. They didn't
<v Speaker 2>know my dad lived an hour away from my mom.
<v Speaker 2>It's not like they you know, we didn't have cell
<v Speaker 2>phones and stuff then, right, it's not like you texting
<v Speaker 2>somebody's dad and my mom. My mom had, you know,
<v Speaker 2>no clue. And even if she did. My mom was
<v Speaker 2>very like, like kind of wicking, and my dad was
<v Speaker 2>Christian and that's probably one of the reasons of relationship
<v Speaker 2>didn't work out right, So she was very much like
<v Speaker 2>she would totally keep things from my dad. She never
<v Speaker 2>would have said anything. So I still to this day
<v Speaker 2>he passed away. My dad passed away ten years ago.
<v Speaker 2>I still to this day have zero clue how he
<v Speaker 2>ever knew that that happened. He said, I just heard.
<v Speaker 2>I knew. I heard inside that you that you played
<v Speaker 2>with it, And uh, yeah, so that's that's creepy. It
<v Speaker 2>didn't stop me. I played, you know, probably hundreds that
<v Speaker 2>maybe thousands more times when I was a kid. And uh,
<v Speaker 2>I don't have you ever heard of Lalarona? I have
<v Speaker 2>not Okay, So it's it's a it's a pretty famous
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you know, uh, paranormal legend. Well, I I
<v Speaker 2>played it in the cemetery where that took place, so
<v Speaker 2>I was like, we we lived fifteen minutes from where
<v Speaker 2>Lollarna took place, so I would uh and you know
<v Speaker 2>you can you can check that anytime you want to.
<v Speaker 2>But it's it's basically a lady who you know, stands
<v Speaker 2>on the side of the road and people see this
<v Speaker 2>ghost figure and uh, there's a there's a movie about
<v Speaker 2>it that I think was done by the gosh you
<v Speaker 2>can't remember the same people who did the nun that
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. But anyway, yeah, it's it's like a
<v Speaker 2>real like legend from southern California. And anyway, so I
<v Speaker 2>would play all the time, and uh really try to
<v Speaker 2>scare myself, you know, and really try to get you know,
<v Speaker 2>something going on, you know, And I think I got
<v Speaker 2>a kick out of it scaring my friends and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>you know, just being in the presence of it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you would people would freak out. So anyway, uh, I
<v Speaker 2>think I was maybe I don't even know how old
<v Speaker 2>it was, but me and my my current wife now
<v Speaker 2>we were living together. We were young, and uh, I
<v Speaker 2>was playing it and I walked down my hall to
<v Speaker 2>go to the bathroom, and I came back to walk
<v Speaker 2>in my room and I felt something breathe on my
<v Speaker 2>neck and I knew instantly that that was something I
<v Speaker 2>didn't ever wanted to feel again and deal with. And
<v Speaker 2>I walked in, I grabbed it, took it outside, let
<v Speaker 2>it on fire, and I never touched it again because
<v Speaker 2>I knew I felt this presence, this evil that I
<v Speaker 2>had absolutely never felt in my life. And uh, it
<v Speaker 2>completely like overtook me. I could feel it through my
<v Speaker 2>whole body when this same breathed on my neck, and
<v Speaker 2>right away I just started praying and uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>repented for for I guess, you know, you know, testing,
<v Speaker 2>really testing God. Really, that's what I was doing, doing
<v Speaker 2>that for all that time, you know, for years and
<v Speaker 2>years and years of doing that. And yeah, that was
<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty pretty crazy. I didn't see anything. I would
<v Speaker 2>go into haunted houses and stuff, and like, yeah, I'd
<v Speaker 2>hear stuff here and there, and you know, catch glimpses
<v Speaker 2>of things here and there and stuff. But I didn't
<v Speaker 2>bother me. I was not scared of it. But when
<v Speaker 2>that happened. Yeah, absolutely, And it was like in my
<v Speaker 2>mom's house, like there was no reason for me to
<v Speaker 2>be scared at all, but that feeling. And then same thing,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a guitar player. I don't know. It sounded
<v Speaker 2>like you had a guitarist too, you' you're a guitar
<v Speaker 2>player as well. Yeah, okay, so my dad, that was
<v Speaker 2>a big thing with my dad. He had told me, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you really get into this, here's a
<v Speaker 2>song you need to listen to. And it was Robert
<v Speaker 2>Johnson right Crossroads. Right, I'm sure you've heard this song.
<v Speaker 2>And I thought, yeah, right, you know, like, but I
<v Speaker 2>just I can distinctly remember three times when I was
<v Speaker 2>playing music and I felt like I was in I
<v Speaker 2>was playing so well and I was in such a
<v Speaker 2>groove and it's like I was presented with something at
<v Speaker 2>that time like a choice, and every time I turned
<v Speaker 2>it down instantly and stopped playing. And like two of
<v Speaker 2>the times, I'd had a couple of whiskeys, you know,
<v Speaker 2>And the last time I was thought, I was totally like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I had probably had a whiskey in
<v Speaker 2>it a year or something, you know at that time.
<v Speaker 2>The last time that it happened, but I really felt
<v Speaker 2>something almost come over me, you know, and I thought
<v Speaker 2>about thought about what my dad said, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be asked the question and you better
<v Speaker 2>give the right answer kind of thing, you know, the crossroads. Right. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I was at varying ages, probably fourteen or so when
<v Speaker 2>the first time that happened, then probably probably sixteen, seventeen
<v Speaker 2>eighteen the second time I and then really in my
<v Speaker 2>like thirty the last time that it happened. But yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so a couple of little little paranormal things here and
<v Speaker 2>there that have always let me know that there's there's
<v Speaker 2>something more going on than what we see, right.
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, absolutely, and I'm glad you stop playing with
<v Speaker 1>the board and it can definitely be dangerous. Yeah. Sometimes
<v Speaker 1>we do these things to seek answers and just to
<v Speaker 1>find out if there's more out there, and sometimes we
<v Speaker 1>get the answer and it may not be the way
<v Speaker 1>we like.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and that was really my goal when I
<v Speaker 2>was a kid. I just really wanted to know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't trying to be to go against my dad
<v Speaker 2>or God or anything like that, but I wanted to know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, well, to you I got my answer for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, for sure. Kids like to experiment and push
<v Speaker 1>the limits. And yeah, yeah it makes sense.
<v Speaker 2>It's like paddling out into the ocean by yourself. It's stupid.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I completely understand, and I appreciate you
<v Speaker 1>for sharing.
<v Speaker 2>That with me. Yeah for sure. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, Matt, you did an excellent job and sharing
<v Speaker 1>these experiences. And yeah, I don't think your dad believes
<v Speaker 1>he saw UFO. I think he knows he saw UFO
<v Speaker 1>because he had a photo of it in the house.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they say when these things show up and
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing them, that you're actually being abducted. So it
<v Speaker 1>makes sense to me anyways, according to the encounter stories
<v Speaker 1>that I've heard from other people. And yeah, the sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>arm reaching out, that's spooky, but like we discussed before,
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was a warning. And yeah, you definitely got
<v Speaker 1>the message. But yeah, if you encounter anything else in
<v Speaker 1>the future, definitely reach out to me. I know you
<v Speaker 1>said you're doing it work, so make sure you get
<v Speaker 1>some nature into your routine and it'll definitely be beneficial to you.
<v Speaker 1>These things are in Idaho as well, so you'll have
<v Speaker 1>to keep me up here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah, for sure, we'll do.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Matt. Well, you have yourself a good night,
<v Speaker 1>and if you have any questions, feel free to reach out.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, thank you sir.
<v Speaker 1>Good again, Thank you you too. All right, Matt, thank
<v Speaker 1>you very much for sharing your bigfoot encounters and experiences
<v Speaker 1>with me here on sasquatch theory, and it truly means
<v Speaker 1>a lot. The encounter that you had definitely, to me,
<v Speaker 1>sounds like you were able to sneak up on the
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch while riding your bicycle and this thing had no
<v Speaker 1>idea you were there until you guys were already up
<v Speaker 1>on the creature. And I feel like it broke the
<v Speaker 1>limb and stuck its armount to warn you not to
<v Speaker 1>come any further. And yeah, I'm glad you guys got
<v Speaker 1>out of there. Okay. It seems like the sasquatch in
<v Speaker 1>California seemed to be relatively nice compared to other places,
<v Speaker 1>and it's the same way in Missouri. You get a
<v Speaker 1>few scary encounters, but for the most part, these things
<v Speaker 1>are just interacting with people. The creature that you encountered
<v Speaker 1>on the lake that bumped into your canoe, that definitely
<v Speaker 1>does not sound normal, doesn't sound like any fish that
<v Speaker 1>would be in that lake. And the Native Americans said
<v Speaker 1>that it's a sacred lake and there are passages that
<v Speaker 1>lead to the ocean, and they refer to it as
<v Speaker 1>a portal area, which is very interesting because it makes
<v Speaker 1>me wonder where these cryptid creatures come from and where
<v Speaker 1>they go to. If you've had a cryptid sighting and
<v Speaker 1>you would like to make a report of it here
<v Speaker 1>on Sasquatch Theory, feel free to get in touch with
<v Speaker 1>me sometime. And if you guys want to help support
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