#312- Slingshots to Blowguns: The Worst Self-Defense Ideas Debunked

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Pepper spray really does work,

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but what worries me is
people placed too much reliance on it.

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It's like anything else.

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There's people
that it just doesn't affect at all.

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And there's people
that can fight through it.

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So you need to realize that
it's not the end all, be all,

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and you may spray somebody

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and they'll run off or just melt
into a puddle of quivering goo.

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There's also a chance that they may
get really angry and really try

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to strangle you, or stab you or whatever.

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Hi there.

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Welcome to this episode of the Guns
Podcast, U.S.,

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I'm your host, Brant Wheat.

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Today I'm joined by our official,
unofficial, official unofficial co-host,

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Rory Huntington.

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So hey, Royce,
thanks for joining us yet again.

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You bet. Always fun.

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Well, today I came up with this idea,
and it

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it was sparked by being on the internet
and seeing a advertisement.

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A paid advertisement,
of course, for a self-defense slingshot.

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Yes, you heard that right.

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A slingshot that they talked
about hunting with it and target practice.

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But, you know, even the last ditch
self-defense kind of thing.

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And I thought, you know, I've seen a lot
of really bad ideas for self-defense.

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And I thought it might be fun to call
Roy up.

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And we're going to talk about that.

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So I've got my list
divided into to two different,

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kind of areas, one
which is just really bad ideas.

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And then we'll talk about the ideas
that can be okay

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or awful depending on the circumstance
and the situation and all that. So,

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Roy, I
think this one is going to be kind of fun.

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And I know,

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you know,
you've been in the shooting business

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even longer than I have
and you've seen your share of things,

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but let's talk about the slingshot
right out of the gate.

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Now, having actually, I think before
we start talking about the slingshot,

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I need to add that caveat of
if a slingshot is all you have

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and you're in a lethal force situation,

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I suppose I might launch that steel baby
into somebody's forehead.

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If I'm capable of it.

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But 99.9999% of the times, it ain't
going to happen and ain't going to work.

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But, anyway.

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So we're not saying these ideas
are absolutely, positively

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horrible ideas,
but they are most of the time.

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So anyway, Roy,

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am I wrong?

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You probably
have a self-defense slingshot.

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Or maybe a pair of them, you know, left
and right hip and maybe a cross drawer.

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I guess if your name's David
and the bad guys.

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Goliath. This is true.

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Didn't even think of that.

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And you have one of those sling things
and you know how to do it.

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I saw those.

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There is a whole new generation
of tactical slingshots.

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And for all these other things.

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And I saw one,
I saw one that and that's fine.

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They're a lot of fun.
You and I had I had oh, yeah. Know.

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Yeah, yeah. And you're shooting.

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You're really hard to shoot.

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Well, and usually you miss stuff, right?

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Yeah.

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But I think the best one I saw was
that it had a laser on it.

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Exactly.

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And so it's like, how does that work?

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So you've got the, the little rubber
band thing that gives moves all around.

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Right.

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And then you have a laser that's
pointing in some direction high, you know.

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Well I have a story about that
and I, I'm not sure

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I don't think it's the same product
they've, they've recycled.

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But like 15 years ago I was just shot show

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with my friend
Ken Campbell, who's the, CEO of Gun Site.

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And Ken likes to argue.

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So we were we were talking to this person
and they were

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I believe Chinese
and English was not their first language.

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So they would you like.

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You know, I won't imitate the accent,
but would you like to see this this,

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slingshot or like. Okay,

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laser and and hit hit were aim.

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So Ken says, so you're telling me,
regardless of what the projectile is

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or the distance,
you just put that laser and it hits there?

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No, that's not how ballistics works.

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I'm sure it, you know, 3 or 4ft.

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That's probably pretty accurate,
but they really,

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that was one of their main sell
points, that you put that laser

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100 yards away,
that little rock, or be not a hit.

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What you, you aim at, and I will say,
you know, a, I don't know, 40 or 50

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caliber hard steel Bebe in the forehead
probably would be lethal or close to.

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But, you know, there's some other problems

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they don't talk about,
which is reloading is really slow.

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As we've already
said, aiming is pretty awful.

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And if you're not really accurate with it,
which you're not with a sling shot,

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I wouldn't really
put much faith in that. So,

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Roy, you probably made him out of,

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y shaped branches

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and inner tubes, which I've done. Do.

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Actually, I never did because I really,
I yeah, I looked at that

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and I said, well,
that's crude and ridiculous.

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So I'm not going to do that.

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But I did do my share of,
you know, cut out plywood ones and yeah,

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metal ones and a few,

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but that's well, all I really learned
was that these are stupid.

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Yeah.

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And I think, you know, earlier
when you said if the only thing you have

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is a slingshot in a defensive situation,

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well, then you're pretty screwed.

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You know, I'm sorry, man.

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I think you just hit
hit it right on the head, right?

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I mean, find a big rock, you know, or run

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and hide and scream like a girl, you know?

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I mean, it's like,
let's be realistic here.

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You have some other. Listen, like a bow.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, that's that's next on my list.

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And this will inspire 1 or 2 hateful
comments on YouTube, I guarantee it.

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I'm not saying I've taken deer with bows.

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A crossbow is really accurate
and really deadly.

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I'm not saying that it's not,
but let's stop and think about this.

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Kids, the reason they use them, say, in
the Middle Ages, is that's what they had.

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That was the most advanced technology.

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But we have moved on from there.

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So again, if you're Burt Reynolds
and a mountain man is getting ready

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to sodomized your canoeing partner,
and all you've got is a bow.

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Okay, I get it.

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But planning on using a bow

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intentionally for self-defense
just seems like a really awful idea

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that a few people are still in love
with so.

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Well, and I.
Because I know what's going to happen.

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Because we'll have bow fanboys,
you know, and all that.

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So I should have.

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Which seems odd, but yeah, okay, I get it.

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No, I mean, I shoot a bow,
I have an English longbow

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and I really enjoy shooting it,

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but it's certainly not the first thing
I would pick up to defend my house.

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Yeah.

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I mean, if I was out deer hunting
and then was accosted by a bad guy

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who is determined to kill me,
I would shoot him with my bow if I could.

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Right. You know? Yeah.

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I mean,

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unless I had a revolver in my pocket
and that I would shoot him with the bow

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and then I would shoot him
with the revolver.

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So, yeah, I mean, it depends
on the situation, but, I think a lot

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all these things we're talking about
are last resort weapons.

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You know, I know

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I've owned sailboats and other boats
in amongst the sailing community.

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Flare gun

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as a defensive gun is very much a thing

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because, you know,
if you're sailing to Belize or someplace

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and you're technically
not allowed to have a gun on your boat,

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well, then, I mean, I'm not sure

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I'd want to be shot with a 12 gauge flare
gun, and, you know, so that it

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maybe if that's all you have,
that's the Samaritan actually.

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There there is or people or they used to
and they made an insert

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so that you could shoot like four,
ten shotgun shells at him.

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That's so you're

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I guess you were supposed to hide
that on your boat or something, you know?

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But but again, it's a weapon of of,
opportunity, you know?

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I mean, you were talking about

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batons and blow guns and, you know, and
there were some other things there, too.

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I mean, even a big sheath knife.

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Yeah. For me.

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Well, you're you're going ahead.

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You're running ahead of me, Roy.

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Oh. All right. Yeah.

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I was going to say the flare gun.

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I actually, arrested a guy, and I.

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It wasn't for carrying the gun
because the flare gun.

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Because we weren't sure
where that actually fell.

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But he carried a flare gun
because he was a convicted felon.

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And his argument, and I don't know how
it worked out, was that wasn't a firearm.

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Well, whatever we we hooked him up for,
I think warrants or something.

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But no, I'm like you.

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I known guys
that at least say they've carried him.

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I'm trying to think
I saw a YouTube channel.

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Not that you can absolutely believe
everything on YouTube, haha.

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But, a guy fired one into ballistic gel
and it didn't go in.

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I mean, less than an inch because
they're not made to penetrate anything.

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They're basically a ball of burning,

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sulfur and,
you know, typically like magnesium.

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And yeah, I would not want to take one
to the face or the, the body or whatever,

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but saying it's going to stop somebody,
they're not going to feel good.

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And I'll probably have to
go to the burn ward, but unless they're,

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maybe covered in gasoline,
that's not really a good option.

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I would call it
maybe a decent distraction device, but,

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I was on a charter boat one time
where a sailboat came in right behind us,

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and the captain pulled out his flare gun,
and, as he called them, rag baggers

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when they saw that, and he was aiming
at their big giant sail, they veered off.

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So I guess it
does have a deterrent effect.

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That's right.

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I never thought of that before. Yeah.

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He said you know back then
anyway this has been 30 or 40 years ago.

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Yeah. The sails will go up real fast.

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So they don't want to, to
to mess with that.

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So I, you know, I don't wait,
but I don't know that a sail

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would go up too fast because yeah, I yeah,
I don't know if you did.

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I mean, yeah, synthetic maybe
if you had a linen sail or something.

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Yeah. You know.

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But even then, you know,
those things are moving,

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you know, a couple hundred
feet per second and.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they're shooting off sparks, but it

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it actually takes a little bit of effort
to set something on fire.

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Unless. It's doused in gasoline.

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Because they probably would hit it
and maybe

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just make a hole and go through it
because it's essentially

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just really thin plastic.

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And and. There's off.

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Yeah.

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And there's got a lot of
wind is going across the face of the sail.

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So yeah.

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But of course I wouldn't
want anyone to shoot myself. So.

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Yeah.

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Well, it worked as a

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determine in that one particular case
on Lake Michigan near Michigan City.

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But, you know,
that actually brings up a quick thing

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though, commercial fishing boats.

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But I work in mission
Bay on a police boat.

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They used to have these
the column seal bombs

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and so they're I mean, they're

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bigger than a mighty firecracker.

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And I guess you had to be licensed
to actually get them there.

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They said they were like
the same as a quarter stick of dynamite.

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And based on what I saw, man,
I could believe that because they

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because invariably in the harbor,
the crew would be, you know,

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playing grab ass with each other,
and that would come a seal bomb, right?

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Yeah.

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But I've seen a few get thrown
in the water and it's like, boom, right?

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You know, so I know that
there are people out there saying, cool,

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I'm gonna have to get some seal bombs
and carry them for personal protection.

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You know, you know, how.

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They I and I'm sure we'll find a YouTube
gun tuber that'll maybe try that.

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But, you know,

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something I didn't
think about on my little list here

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is, power heads or bang sticks,
and I think I don't know this, but

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I think they've been implicated in either

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homicide or at least, accidental, death.

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Because if you don't know what it is, it's
basically a shotgun shell or a,

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pistol cartridge that's in a little thing

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that, it's it's essentially a zip gun,
and you're you're supposed

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to use them against sharks.

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And I don't think
they use them much anymore,

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because we're supposed to be kind
and gentle to sharks and all that.

247
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But used to that was the thing I remember,
like in the 70s and even on TV shows,

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you'd push it against the shark
and the, cartridge would discharge

249
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and kill the shark, which I'm thinking,
okay, there's blood in the water,

250
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maybe bring more sharks.

251
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I don't know, but, I don't think
people use them much anymore.

252
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But I'm sure out in mission Bay.

253
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Roy, you guys probably had bang sticks
and all that.

254
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And any advice I did? I had a job.

255
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Yeah, I had, a little short.

256
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357 Magnum bang stick.

257
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And the bullet doesn't kill him.
The gas kills him.

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You're right.

259
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The bullet just penetrates the skins

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for the gas and
and mine was a short stainless steel rod.

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And you wore clipped your belt and,
and it had a safety pin in the end of it

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and, which I was really happy it had,
because I remember one day I was kind of

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climbing over some rocks and stuff
and I, you know, I was stuck.

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I couldn't get over.

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And when I finally got over,

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I realized that the bang stick
it turned around was was against me.

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And I was like, pulling myself up over it.

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I know I was an idiot, you know? Yeah.

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But I never used it on a shark.

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I did do it a few times
just to see it go off.

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And it was it was pretty fun
because I actually, at the time,

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I thought, I don't think this is a gun.

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I don't
I wasn't sure that it was illegal to have.

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And, you know,
I would think that if you were a bad guy

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and you had a little short
bang stick that, my gosh, you know.

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Yeah.

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I don't know, after research
and see if that's legal or not legal.

278
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You know. Exactly.

279
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Yeah. So the last thing.

280
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Oh, I've got two more things on my.
No, no.

281
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And, I'm going to laugh
and I think I'm sure

282
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you've done this too, Roy,
but the Cuba baton.

283
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And I've still got mine around here
someplace.

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It's the long,

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keychain,
basically that, it's a long stick.

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And that those were a thing, like,
what, late 80s, early 90s?

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That everybody had a good baton,
and there were training courses.

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You could do this

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and that and hit them in the head
and gouge out their eye and all that.

290
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And most people ended up
hanging on to them,

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using Miss Key chains on duty,
especially because, you know,

292
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they were pretty begging to come in
your belt pretty easy.

293
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But I never used mine
as an offensive or defensive weapon.

294
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And it just seems like

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by the time you go to all that,
you might as well just go hands on.

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But, I'm sure you've probably tested them
for ballistic coefficient or something.

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You know.

298
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We and we had them
or you were allowed to have them.

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And I found a lot of those things to me

300
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are a lot of like the defensive holds
that they taught you in the Academy.

301
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They work really good.

302
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If he in the Academy, if he.

303
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Yeah, if he kind of doesn't want to fight
anyway, you know.

304
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Yeah.

305
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So when you put someone in a wrist lock
that it's like if he doesn't

306
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really want to fight, well then
that's a good excuse for him not to fight.

307
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Right. So he'll go with you.

308
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But the Coubertin
I tried a couple of times to get drunk.

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Drivers
have a propensity for staying in the car

310
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and holding on to the steering wheel
when you tell them to get out.

311
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And so,

312
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you know, we used to using
because you kind of, like,

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hook behind their thumb
and twist third thumb off.

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And then they would go oh, 000
and then they would get out of the car.

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We had PR 24 side handle batons and

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I, I hit a few people doing

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the flick,
you know, where you have it pivot.

318
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And it had absolutely no effect on them
at all.

319
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Yeah.

320
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So that's a.

321
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Thing too, when you're in a big fight
and think, okay,

322
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you know,
my instructor told me it's just but it's.

323
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Really cool, right? Yeah.

324
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No, you hit. Him in there
like stop hitting me.

325
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It's like,
oh the fight's going to start now.

326
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Yeah.
They don't even notice that you hit him.

327
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It's really funny

328
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that what I did like about it, though,
and this is if you're going to carry a,

329
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that kind of a side handle baton is, is
you hold it down to your sides.

330
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So the little short end pokes out forward.

331
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And I do have to tell you, if you poke
somebody in the stomach with that

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or anywhere they that gets hurt tension.

333
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You know,
I that it's distracting to say the least.

334
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We also had the expandable batons.

335
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Remember those? Oh yeah.

336
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I have to say I like that.

337
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If you're thick.

338
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It's just a stick.

339
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Right.

340
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And, when I first got hired,
we had, I don't know what they were.

341
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20 inch.

342
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Oh, you know, batons, straight, sick.

343
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Stick. They were great.

344
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Because if you pull one out, people
look at that

345
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and says he's going to beat me to death
with that.

346
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Yeah, I'm going to behave.

347
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But the Cubans are not cool batons,
I guess.

348
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What were they called?

349
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Expandable baton. Yeah.

350
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Expandable batons. Yeah.

351
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I liked them
because they were kind of award

352
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in a cross straw,
a little loopy holster on the front.

353
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And so if you were going to do it, it's
like, okay, this guy wants to fight me.

354
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You'd reach across
and then go and snap, right?

355
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Yeah, yeah.

356
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And then they would look at you and go,

357
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oh, he's going to beat me
with that steel stick.

358
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Yeah. You know I'm going to stop.

359
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And so quit.

360
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Now the few times I use it is
I found it to be most effective is

361
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if you crack somebody on the shin with it,

362
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they pretty much would fall down
on the ground and cried like a baby.

363
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Yeah. You know, so.

364
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But yeah, I think no, that is a good

365
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some of this might
qualify as less less lethal.

366
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Because I am a strong proponent of that.

367
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If you carry a gun,
you should also carry some pepper spray,

368
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because, you know, the two guys fighting
with each other who are kind of drunk.

369
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If you really feel it necessary
to intervene, well, then pepper spray them

370
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because, you know, chances are pretty good
they're going to stop.

371
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You know?

372
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But again,
you're inserting yourself into this event

373
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and opening yourself up to liability.

374
00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,040
Yeah. So, you know, just be careful. Yeah.

375
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Yeah.

376
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Well, the.

377
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And I was going to say
now I have used the PR 24 if there's a way

378
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and I don't even remember how,

379
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but if you get it behind their arm,
you can put their arm up right behind them

380
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and they don't have any choice
in the matter. That's pretty cool.

381
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They have to kind of be cooperative,
though.

382
00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,200
I mean, it's all those things.

383
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If he's really in a fight, he's
they're not cooperative.

384
00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,840
Yeah. Right. So and you.

385
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We tended we tended to throw them away
so they didn't get them and beat us.

386
00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,280
With them. Yeah.

387
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,040
So yeah.

388
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No it's true.

389
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,840
It's not like the TV at all.

390
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Yeah. The final one.

391
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And I've been guilty of this too.

392
00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,400
And I, you probably have to remember
and they're still advertised periodically

393
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,080
blow guns.

394
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,160
I remember we all had blow guns.

395
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You know, the six footer
with the little darts and all that.

396
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And, you know,

397
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we shot him into foam and you wondered,
I wonder how deep that would go.

398
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,040
And occasionally you would see an ad, you
know, defend your home with a blow gun.

399
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,920
It's like, really if if you believe that,
there are far deeper problems

400
00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,880
going on than than just purchasing
a blow gun.

401
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,080
They're kind of fun.

402
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,920
And, they're they're not really accurate
out at any kind of distance.

403
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They don't hold their velocity very well.

404
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So they're just a toy.

405
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,400
I guess unless you're an Amazon tribesman.

406
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,520
But even then, yeah, they shoot
the monkeys with them to to hunt.

407
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,040
But it's it's not like they hit them.

408
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,800
It's not like the movies either.
They don't hit them in a tube.

409
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And it's like it takes a while
for that poison to take effect.

410
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So, No.

411
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No on the blowgun.

412
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,600
But, Roy, I'm interested to hear your.

413
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,720
I'm sure you've got blowgun stories.

414
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If you do have a blowgun,
though, you have to put.

415
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Was it curare? Was the poison.

416
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They always dip it on then.

417
00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,240
Then you hope the
who here remembers in the back

418
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of like mechanics illustrated in the 60s

419
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and 70s, it was this guy with a big hat on
and no shirt.

420
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He was holding a blowgun
and he's holding an anteater up.

421
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I remember that.

422
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,880
You remember that? Yeah. This is. Yeah.

423
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They have a blowgun, you know, be
a hunter or, you know, and all that.

424
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,200
Yeah. It was really funny.

425
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,360
He was like this really
weird kind of gay, you know,

426
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looking guy or I don't know, but.

427
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,280
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, they're
I mean, they're fun. Sure.

428
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,200
I've made some, you know,
they're a lot of fun.

429
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,480
Now you go shoot at the hay bale
or something, you know?

430
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,640
But yeah, but now that's not a real thing
I would say, of all of those things.

431
00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:03,160
But again, it's a final resort.

432
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,040
Would be some kind of a black powder gun.

433
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:06,480
Yeah.

434
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,040
You know, I mean, is that
the primary thing you would rely on?

435
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,160
I not me.

436
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:12,880
Yeah.

437
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,160
Well, I mean, you've now walked into part
two of the list,

438
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,840
and this is the stuff
that I'm not saying it's a horrible idea,

439
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,840
but if you're making
that you're playing a you're

440
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you're really not thinking this thing
through.

441
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,720
And black powder was, was one of them.

442
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,120
I know guys have carried them
because, at least under the old,

443
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,040
state code in my place,

444
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:41,040
if it was manufactured prior to 1897,
it wasn't considered a firearm.

445
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,600
I think they've changed that now.

446
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,800
Basically, anything that shoots
a bullet is a firearm.

447
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,680
But back then there was that exception
for black powder.

448
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,480
So guys that couldn't hole have guns
because they were convicted felon

449
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,560
would sometimes carry those.

450
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,640
And as hundreds of thousands of people
can attest from,

451
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,600
you know, the 18th and 19th century
black powder is quite effective.

452
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,520
But there's a lot of shortcomings.

453
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,280
We shouldn't have to explain all that.

454
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,920
And again,
but we're not saying, you know, if you're

455
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,360
if you're out doing cowboy
action shooting and, you know, the,

456
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,240
the tangos come over the back of the berm,
that's what you got to shoot them.

457
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,480
But, I don't know.

458
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,160
And, the late John Taaffe
and did a story on that, and I thought,

459
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,960
okay, he makes a lot of good and salient
points about using it to defend yourself.

460
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,440
But really the overarching question was
if you've got any other

461
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,400
more modern type of firearm,
this is probably plan B.

462
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,640
So your thoughts
on, black powder revolvers and all that?

463
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,560
No, I agree,
I think during black powder season

464
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,880
I know people who
carry black powder revolvers,

465
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:43,800
you know,

466
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,080
ostensibly to put down a deer
or something, but I but it just as well

467
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,720
they carry them for protection,
you know, I mean,

468
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,720
if you really know what you're doing,
you really know how to load them.

469
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,960
You really know how to take care of them.

470
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,760
I mean, they're pretty darn reliable.

471
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,080
And, you know, and it it is better
than a sharp sticker rock, you know?

472
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,280
Right? Right.

473
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaking of sticks, though, is it?

474
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,360
I'm an old guy of a bad back, and,
I've carried a cane now

475
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,680
for, I don't know, 20 years, 25 years.

476
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:17,520
Chances are pretty good if I'm out
and about during the day, I have a cane

477
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,880
with me.

478
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,000
And the one I usually use
is an old, who they called the.

479
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,600
The knife guys had
the crazy guy started the the company,

480
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,800
black.

481
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,120
No, I can't I'm blanking on their name.

482
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:31,840
No, I'm not.

483
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,560
Going to say because you said
the guy that founded it was crazy.

484
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,600
Yeah, he sold it. He's.

485
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,760
Yeah. Yeah, he's out of it. But anyway.

486
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,520
Yeah, you know. What? I got it.

487
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,720
But I think most folks do too.

488
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,840
They call it like the urban
gentleman's cane or something.

489
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:46,920
Yeah.

490
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:52,080
And it's got this, you know, kind of
heavy cast aluminum ball top to it.

491
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,840
And, and it's just a straight stick,
you know.

492
00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,960
But it's it's some kind of like fiber
impregnated fiberglass or something.

493
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,280
That's really good.

494
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,600
Well I drilled the bottom out
about ten inches of it and I, I,

495
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,760
glued a, brass rod in there
and then put the cap back on.

496
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,200
So it's got a little heft
out there, right?

497
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:15,840
Yeah.

498
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,760
And so I like it because it gives you

499
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,760
a plan B, it's, you know,
I mean, I'm armed, right?

500
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,600
But if I'm, you know, I'm like,
man of my own business and some guy wants

501
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,920
to push me around or something.

502
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,680
Well, he's going to learn that stick
fighting is really effective.

503
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,920
You know, it is. And yeah.

504
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,280
And then at least
that gets him off of you.

505
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,320
So now you can run or get your gun out
or do whatever you're going to do.

506
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,800
But I think
even if you don't have a bad back,

507
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,800
I think think seriously about having
some kind of a gentleman's cane,

508
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,640
you know, and if your state allows it,
remember there sword canes?

509
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,080
Yeah.

510
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,080
You know, I'm
not saying that I carry a sword cane,

511
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,240
but I took fencing when I was young.

512
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,640
So course you did.

513
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,080
It might be surprising
to somebody someday.

514
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,040
Well, I was going
to say I've got quite a bit of experience

515
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,000
with walking sticks, and not the only time
I carry him anymore is when I'm hiking.

516
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,600
But, our good friend Steve Tehrani,
who is literally a martial arts expert

517
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,680
and he's he's most known for his caramba
training.

518
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,360
But, at one point, and I don't know
if he still does it, but he taught a

519
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,840
a cane class, and I know a guy
that had his whole family go through it.

520
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,560
And when they went to Europe, where you
can't carry basically any kind of weapon,

521
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,120
they all took, walking sticks
with the idea that at least they had that.

522
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,320
And I will say in the hands of somebody
that practices,

523
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,080
or even a guy like me
just knows the technique,

524
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,080
they can be used pretty effectively
for a lot of different things.

525
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,400
And the funny thing was,
when I took his class,

526
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,720
I thought,
okay, we're going to learn all this

527
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,640
real high speed, low drag stuff,
and you do learn some of that.

528
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,040
But Steve will tell you, if you're not
practicing it, you're going to forget it.

529
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,720
But I do remember the first things
was swinging like a baseball bat.

530
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,760
It's like, oh well, yeah, that that works
pretty good.

531
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760
If he hit somebody in the temple with it,
it's going to put him down.

532
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,880
Well, they go like this
and you hit their forearm or something.

533
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,480
Yeah.

534
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,440
I found even those, they're expandable
canes.

535
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,960
You get him at, like,
Walgreens, right? Yep.

536
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,200
They fold up
and then you go flick and they go right?

537
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,760
They go straight. Well, guess what?

538
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,960
If you poke somebody with one, it's
just like poking him

539
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,680
with an aluminum rod,
you know, because they don't collapse.

540
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,280
And so, yeah, when I went to Europe,
I took one of those and never a second

541
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,160
glance anywhere, you know, right through
TSA, right through it.

542
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,520
What's that? That's my cane. Okay.

543
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,600
Especially
if you're a gentleman of a certain age.

544
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,240
Well, yeah.

545
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,760
That's it.

546
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,880
I've reached that age where you don't

547
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,760
have to take your shoes off
or your coat off or anything, you know?

548
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,880
So that's good. Yeah.

549
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,440
Yeah. Cane.

550
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,280
So, that really is a plan
B kind of a weapon.

551
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,760
Defensive tool.

552
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,560
That really works.

553
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,960
Plus, I have to say, it really feels good
if you're stuck,

554
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,720
you know, following your wife
around the antique mall for two hours,

555
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,800
it's kind of nice
to kind of lean on on everyone.

556
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,560
So have you seen the ones that are like
the British?

557
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Have they?

558
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,440
You know, they fold out
to have a little stool on them?

559
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,440
Yes, yes.

560
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,720
I'm surprised you don't have one.
I have one of those.

561
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Yeah, of course they're Walgreen's $25
and, they're a little ungainly to carry.

562
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,240
But when I had injured my back
2 or 3 years ago.

563
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,320
Oh, Lord, what a nice thing that was.

564
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,320
And, And you could still hold it
and use it like an ax and chop

565
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,880
somebody if you needed to.

566
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Yeah, yeah, exactly

567
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,360
what I always felt like the cane was good
for was keeping somebody off of you.

568
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,160
If a guy is coming out with you
with a pistol, you're screwed

569
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,920
unless you've got a gun or whatever.

570
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,720
But if somebody's got a knife
or just being crazy,

571
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,560
that's where they really come into being.

572
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,440
Because like you said, you can poke them,
keep them off.

573
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,160
You can trip them very easily,
or you can use them

574
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,440
as lethal force by, you know, smacking
them real hard in the temple or something.

575
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,200
So I think you hit it
perfectly on the head.

576
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,440
That's a good plan B, a good plan B, and,

577
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,120
you know, I've seriously considered
doing what what you're talking about.

578
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,520
I've reached that age
where I think I could use a cane.

579
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,440
And, it does give you a few more options.

580
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,400
So people open doors for you.

581
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,280
You know, the only thing is, I will
I will caution you

582
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,840
is that if you have a cane
and you plan on using it for defense,

583
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,400
I mean, find yourself a couple of YouTube
videos.

584
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,440
You do need to learn how to take it back,
because if you poke somebody

585
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,800
and you don't poke them
hard enough to knock them down

586
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,080
or get them off of you, they are going
to grab the end of your cane. So.

587
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,960
So now you're tempted to.

588
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,760
It turns into a tugboat tug.

589
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,520
You know, tug of war,
which I don't know. You're a loser.

590
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,600
You won't lose it or something,

591
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,320
but you have to learn how to break that
hold, right?

592
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,360
That's really important. So do it.

593
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:49,960
But take the ten minutes

594
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960
and practice a little bit and learn
how to break that hole.

595
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,200
Exactly.

596
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,320
And now let's get into something that will
certainly inspire some hate mail.

597
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,080
And, we've talked about it before,
but I think this is one of those weapons

598
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,280
because I know many, many,
many, many, many, many people who do this.

599
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,920
They carry a knife for self-defense.

600
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,760
And now wait, before you're typing,
what a dumb S.O.B.

601
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,080
I am. Knives kill people a lot.

602
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,240
Okay, I get that, but the problem I have
with knives having taken

603
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:26,640
multiple knife classes, again, Steve,
you know, it is a world class instructor,

604
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,360
and I can't verify this, but
I think Steve's got practical experience.

605
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,760
Okay, so this guy knows what it's like.

606
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,160
And it was funny,
the very first thing he said in

607
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,960
one of his classes
was the first rule of a knife fight.

608
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,480
And I'm thinking, you know this.

609
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,760
He said, don't be in a knife fight.

610
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,280
And, I thought, this guy really knows
what he's talking about.

611
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,680
Steve teaches from the standpoint of,
he can teach all this stuff in the moves,

612
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,120
but he teaches you essentially
to disengage, get away and draw your gun,

613
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,680
because that's what it is.

614
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,680
At this point, you need to go to a gun
and you need to shoot this guy.

615
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,760
So the plan B of getting in
some kind of knife fight.

616
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,320
And if you're a martial arts
true expert, you practice blades every day

617
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,040
and all that.

618
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,400
That's a different deal.

619
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,600
That's .00 1% of the population.

620
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,480
Billy Bob, who's carrying his Bowie knife.

621
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Granted,
I don't want to go hands on with Billy Bob

622
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,400
because he might pull that knife.

623
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,600
But that being your plan,
a method to defend yourself

624
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,480
just doesn't make good sense to me.

625
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,040
So your thoughts on knives?

626
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,400
Roy and I carry a knife
every single solitary day.

627
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,480
And if I have to use it, I will.

628
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920
But that's not that's not plan A.

629
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,320
Oh, no, I agree with you completely.

630
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960
We used to carry a lot of us carried,

631
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,760
a folding knife in each front pocket
when I was a policeman.

632
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,040
And, everybody had one in their

633
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,040
strong hand pocket,
but I always I used to carry two.

634
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,280
And that was because if
if somebody pins your arms.

635
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Right, you still can get to your knife.

636
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Probably in your pocket.

637
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,160
So you could open up
and stick them in the thigh

638
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,680
or do something, get them off of you
and then shoot them.

639
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,120
So yeah, no, I'm with you.

640
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,840
It's like a real plan.

641
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,320
See, I, I was it did a little bit of light
knife training one time and it was

642
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,520
what was his name?

643
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Yeah. He used to write first. Jan.

644
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,760
Which Michael. Janet.

645
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,800
I think it was.

646
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,120
Yeah. Jay is really interesting idea.

647
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,520
So you put a white t shirt on it,
and the other guy puts a white t shirt on,

648
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,720
and you get a blue marking pen,
and he gets a red marking pen,

649
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,960
and then you go, go, go start the knife
fight.

650
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,320
Well, what you know, in the movies
where they go, they go like stab, right.

651
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,560
And then and then they jump back
and then they run and and they stab again.

652
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,920
I'll tell you what these guys
that know how to do it, oh, if you're

653
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,920
within distance, you get stabbed
15 times, Debs.

654
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,240
And cut ten times. Right.

655
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,320
And so literally, I mean, within 10s,
my shirt was pretty much covered with

656
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,200
red spots and slashes and,

657
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,960
you know,
and he had like 3 or 4 blue wounds for me.

658
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,640
I mean, I didn't
even know what I was doing it. I got him.

659
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,960
Yeah. You know.

660
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,640
Well then Steve's point is in a knife
fight, you're going to get cut.

661
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:11,240
Yeah.

662
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,360
And one thing I always remember
is the fillet move.

663
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Just think about that fillet move.

664
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,440
I don't even want to think about that.

665
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,720
And to watch a guy like Steve
do the crime.

666
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,920
But I call it the ballet of death,
because, you know, the carrot is the cook,

667
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,680
curved knife that you can spin
on your finger, and he does it.

668
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,080
And when he goes to speed, it's crazy
because he'll slice both femoral, probably

669
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,080
catch your chest, cut your neck,
and then before you know it, you're going.

670
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,760
And I'm out of here.

671
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,000
So, like you said, guys that are good.

672
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,240
But how many people are actually
like that?

673
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,480
Yeah, the.

674
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,600
It's interesting.

675
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,560
If you.

676
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Not everyone has been shot by a gun.

677
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,080
Right.

678
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,720
There were they're out there, but

679
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,480
everyone has been cut.

680
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,440
And I will say
this was taught in a couple classes

681
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,560
I took that there are situations

682
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,560
where presentation of the knife

683
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,360
will make people go, whoa,
wait a minute, right.

684
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,240
Because they look at that
and they go, ouch, I've been cut.

685
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,920
I know what that's going to do to me.

686
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,840
I don't want that.

687
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Because how many times
have you pointed your gun at a bad guy?

688
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Okay, but I'm going to put your hands up.

689
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,600
You're not going to shoot me, right?

690
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Exactly.

691
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160
I've been a seasoned criminal
who's been shot before.

692
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880
He goes, okay, right.

693
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,360
I don't want to get shot again.

694
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Yeah. Yeah.

695
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,960
Right.

696
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840
And so, you know, I'm
not sure how that works into things.

697
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,280
Don't assume
it's like the racking of the 870 shotgun.

698
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Don't assume
that's going to stop the fight.

699
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,240
It might. Right. But.

700
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,040
So just because if you pull your knife out
and go like that and say,

701
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,880
get away from me or I'll cut you,
it might work, you know, it might work.

702
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,160
And then at that point you should run
far, far and fast, fast.

703
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:59,760
Yeah.

704
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,480
So and I will give you one technique
that I used

705
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,600
and, kind of I think about it a lot.

706
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,920
I used to carry a neck knife and neck
knife scare me because I'm afraid

707
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440
they're going to fall, and I'm going to
because I don't want to be stabbed.

708
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,280
I also carried a, couple of different
kind of knives on my duty belt.

709
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,560
And my idea was, I'm not going to go knife
fighting somebody,

710
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,840
but I had an instructor
tell me that it's pretty effective

711
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,320
if somebody tries to take
your gun out of your holster.

712
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,720
One of the best ways to deal with it is,

713
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,680
I don't want to talk
about disarming techniques,

714
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,040
but push your gun down so that they have
to struggle against all your weight.

715
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,280
And while you're doing that,
get a hold of that knife

716
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,640
with your other hand
and just go to stabbing. Yeah.

717
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,640
And they'll they'll lose interest
in your gun pretty quickly.

718
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,560
So that's not a bad idea.

719
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Well, you know, I learned,
because in the early days,

720
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,360
cop knives were usually a buck 110 folder.

721
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,040
Yeah.

722
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,400
And, for some reason,
we weren't smart enough to understand

723
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,440
that you could put a thumb stud on it
to open it one handed.

724
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,960
So it was a two handed opening.

725
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,200
And, yeah, there were guys
that would like you bend the spring

726
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,840
and then you could hold the blade
and, like, flick it down.

727
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,560
And sometimes it would open
up, you know, sometimes not. And,

728
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,840
so I was
always thinking about things like this.

729
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,560
And so I made myself a short
fixed blade knife.

730
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,400
It had about a 2.5in blade. Yeah.

731
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,240
And a flapped it's a little sheath for it.

732
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:33,240
And I that was on my duty belt,

733
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,320
because then I knew that I could open it
and abuse it with one hand.

734
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,760
And it was both as a defensive weapon,
but it was also a practical thing.

735
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,840
So if I'm holding on to this, you know,

736
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,160
spewing this thing of gasoline
or something, you know,

737
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:52,000
I could get my knife out to, to
do something and not have to let go of it.

738
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,600
And so, yeah, I even did the
this is not really about

739
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,320
although I guess it is talking about,
what we're talking about.

740
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,400
We haven't addressed

741
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440
the thing about a flashlight,
and it's a strobing

742
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,520
flashlight, really a defensive weapon,
which I don't think it is.

743
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,040
But anyway, a million years ago,
this would have been in the middle 70s.

744
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,840
No. Policeman did not carry
a, spare light on their belt.

745
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,080
It was unheard of.

746
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,720
Well, there were no lights
until the mini mag. Remember?

747
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,120
Little tiny mini bag lights, right?
I had one.

748
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,720
Then they appeared everywhere.

749
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:25,880
And then somebody was smart enough

750
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,280
to make a holster
you could use on your duty belt.

751
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Well, I was a scuba diver, and so
we had these little double a, I classic.

752
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Yeah.
Take that. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That.

753
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,280
We just used scuba diver.
It was a backup light. Right.

754
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,080
And, well, I was looking at it one day.

755
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,720
I thought, you know what?
That'd be pretty damn handy.

756
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:46,040
On my belt, because we've all had
our primary lights die

757
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,560
or drop and get broken or something, and,
and so I got, I got one of those.

758
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,440
And it used to have a clear end cap
that shined light everywhere.

759
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,640
And so I painted it black.

760
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,400
So that light just came out
the end of the lens.

761
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,040
And I made a little simple
sheath, and I put it on my belt.

762
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,040
And it was really interesting
to see the people berate me.

763
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,520
Oh, what's that for?

764
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,800
Yeah. You're afraid of the dark, you know?

765
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,280
And yes, yes I am.

766
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Yeah, but it's soon thereafter,
many mag lights came out

767
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,520
and everybody had one on their belt,
you know.

768
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,000
So, but yeah.

769
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
Is the strobe flashlight
a defensive weapon?

770
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,160
I say, no.

771
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,360
No, I agree, I agree,

772
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,000
and you know that that's a whole show
too, that we need to do. But,

773
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,280
one thing I wanted to cover real quick
because we're about out of time

774
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,840
is, pepper spray,
and I highly endorse pepper spray.

775
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,640
I've done it to a couple dozen people,
probably in the course of my career.

776
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,520
I encourage, my wife, my daughters.

777
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,840
I bought some for my mom.

778
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,760
I encourage people to use it.

779
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,040
But what I want to say about pepper spray,

780
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,360
first of all, mace and all that,
that's pretty much not a thing anymore.

781
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,360
Pepper spray really does work. But I.

782
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,840
What worries me is people place
too much, reliance on it.

783
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,200
It's like anything else.

784
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,600
There's people
that it just doesn't affect at all.

785
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,280
And there's people
that can fight through it.

786
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680
So if you carry pepper spray
and I encourage that,

787
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,000
but you need to realize that
it's not the end all, be all,

788
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,080
and you may spray somebody

789
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,080
and they'll run off or just melt
into a puddle of quivering goo.

790
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,960
There's also a chance
that they may get really angry

791
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,920
and really try to strangle you,
or stab you, or whatever.

792
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,720
So that was only
my only caveat about spray.

793
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,640
It works really good when it works,
which is the majority of the time, but

794
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,840
it's like anything else.

795
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,320
It can actually make things worse.

796
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,520
And the other, part there is, you know,
we all used to have to be sprayed,

797
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,880
and you always had about 10% of people
there.

798
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
You know,
we don't have to get shot with our gun.

799
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,720
Well, I do agree it's important
because what happens?

800
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:50,400
What happens?

801
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,240
Roy, when somebody deploys spray,
what happens.

802
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:54,360
If you use it?

803
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Everybody has pepper. Everybody.

804
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,200
Yeah. Everybody. Everybody.

805
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,520
So you need if you're going to carry it
you need to at least spray it in the air

806
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,040
and walk into the cloud.

807
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,560
And it's unpleasant but you will survive.

808
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,640
And and it

809
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,960
it builds that confidence
that if you are in a fight

810
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,600
and you decide to spray somebody

811
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,640
and you get a whole face
full of it, okay, been there, done that.

812
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,920
It sucks. But I'll I'll fight through it.

813
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,200
But if it's the first time you're like,
I can't breathe, I'm dying.

814
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,040
And that makes the situation worse.

815
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,280
So pepper spray gets a thumbs up.

816
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,600
But we're both seeing the,
you know, two transients fighting and the

817
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,800
I used to just walk up and on the beach
because they were just spraying both.

818
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:35,760
Yeah.

819
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,280
And but admire. Them out guys.

820
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,920
There I mean there's still big runny
snotty buggers

821
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,760
and they're still trying
to fight with each other

822
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480
and they can't see and they're crying
and they're brewing, you know.

823
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Now I agree,
you know, this fight just crossed my mind.

824
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,480
And I think it might be something
for people to think of.

825
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,360
Is that on the on police agencies
they usually have this.

826
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,520
They call them a use of force continuum
or a use of force ladder,

827
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,880
or there's all kinds of name for it.

828
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,040
And basically what that is, is
your final option

829
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040
is you
take your gun out and shoot him, right.

830
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,640
But before that
you have other alternatives.

831
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,120
And so maybe your first use of force

832
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,720
is to try to defuze the situation. Right?

833
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:16,000
Okay.

834
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,160
If that doesn't work,
then you go to the next one

835
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,200
and maybe that's, pepper spray.

836
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Right? Then.

837
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,440
If that doesn't work,
the next one might be an expandable baton.

838
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,080
You know,

839
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,120
if that doesn't work, the next one
might be some kind of a Taser, perhaps.

840
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,320
Right.

841
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,640
Well, now you're kind of out of options.

842
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,280
And if you're still in trouble

843
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,080
and this guy's still doing something bad,
then you go to your final use of force.

844
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,360
And now what?

845
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,600
What happened, though, was that people,
the public, thought that we had to go

846
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,560
through all of these steps and go,
yeah, yeah, right.

847
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,320
Wait. Firm, empty handed control first.

848
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,000
I know.

849
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,520
And so so you have to learn that let's say

850
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,680
that if it's legal where you are, you're
allowed to carry a expandable baton.

851
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,560
Well, that's not a bad idea, right.
You know, because they're tidy.

852
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,000
You keep it under your code.
There's nothing wrong with that.

853
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,360
And you can use it to pry things open
if you need to or something.

854
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,120
But, you know,
if you have an expandable baton

855
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,200
and some to see spray in your gun, well,
you know, that's pretty good.

856
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Really? Yeah.

857
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,880
And then that way, if you're ever
in some situation to where, hey, you know,

858
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,120
you, you oxy sprayed some guy
that was trying to fight with you,

859
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,280
and then the fight stayed gone.

860
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,960
And so you got your,
your expandable baton out,

861
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,400
and you cracked him on his shin,
and he still wanted to try to kill you.

862
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,560
When then if you go to guns while
you've just painted a pretty good picture,

863
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,560
you know of both of your level
of responsibility and the fact

864
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,680
that you did everything in your power
to avoid, you know, using deadly force.

865
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,720
So not counting running away

866
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,480
if you should have been running
away is like number one, right?

867
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,480
Yeah, yeah.

868
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,480
I mean, the use of force continuum
number one is runaway.

869
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,160
Yeah. And, you know, interesting point.

870
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160
I know a lot of,
dignitary protection folks,

871
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,200
and they hate the term bodyguard.

872
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,800
To me, in the informal usage,
a bodyguard is a big meat head

873
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,040
who likes to push people around,
and that's fine.

874
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:16,640
And, a lot of celebrities
use them for for, status symbols.

875
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,920
More than anything
but true professional dignitary

876
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,920
protection,
whether it's government or private,

877
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,320
a lot of them will carry spray
and a lot of them, you'd be surprised.

878
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,000
Carry a baton for that very reason,

879
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,960
because their first job
is to get the protectee out of trouble

880
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,880
and out of the way and out of the public

881
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,440
spotlight and bad press,
and get them safely away.

882
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,640
But if they end up in a situation
where they'd like to

883
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,880
not necessarily go to guns, but, you know,
this person's being really troublesome,

884
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,400
they tend to shy away from spray
because that overall contamination.

885
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,040
But a lot of them carry a stick because,
like you said, pulling the stick out.

886
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,440
It's like,
okay, don't want no more of this.

887
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,320
And if the person still continues
their miscreant ways, quick wrap

888
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,360
across the shins or, you know,
even up to lethal force if it's necessary.

889
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,920
But it's it's pretty amazing.

890
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,080
You never think about guys in blazers
and earpieces.

891
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,680
A lot of McCarron sticks,
expandable batons.

892
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,640
Or it was always my experience
that you could get if you had a crowd

893
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,320
and they were mad at you
for being a policeman

894
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,080
and trying to arrest this poor,
innocent person.

895
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Well, you could get in close to somebody
and poke him really,

896
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,280
really hard in the breadbasket,
you know, with your stick.

897
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,480
And they would just lose
interest in everything.

898
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,600
And then you could just quietly walk him
over to your car and put handcuffs on.

899
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,040
Nobody really knew what happened,
you know.

900
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,920
Exactly.
But yeah, that's the beauty of that.

901
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,960
So I guess if I was going to summit
this is that I would say,

902
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,560
don't make any stupid decisions.

903
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,960
You know, if you
if you have a tactical black laser

904
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,120
equipped with pin sights on it,
you know, sling shot, that's great.

905
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,680
Go shoot some tin cans with it.

906
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,840
You know. Yeah, but be realistic.

907
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,120
And I think giving yourself options
like less lethal options

908
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,120
and all that kind of stuff, carry a cane.

909
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:04,760
You know,

910
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:06,600
carry a

911
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,600
walking stick
because none of that's illegal, you know?

912
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,480
And, that's all. Just think about it.

913
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,480
It's not like on TV. It never. It is not.

914
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,720
And the only point I would like to add is,
especially when we're

915
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:23,760
talking about this stuff, again,
the stuff that actually kind of does work

916
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,880
and has its place
in the whole scheme of things,

917
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,080
but everything, including firearms,
nothing is 100%.

918
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,160
So a thinking person will think, okay,
I'm going to deploy my spray,

919
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,160
I'm going to deploy this stick,
I'm going to shoot them.

920
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,440
But you got to realize
there may be something after that.

921
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,920
It's like, oh, just shot him.

922
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120
We've all seen that where you shoot a guy
and he continues

923
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,120
stabbing somebody or runs 100 yards.

924
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,840
Nothing is 100%.

925
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,840
So if you're going to have to defend
yourself,

926
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,280
you know, first of all, don't get don't
get in the fight if you can avoid it.

927
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,960
But if you have to defend yourself,
don't plan on I'll pull my gun in this.

928
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
That's it. We're done.
It doesn't work that way.

929
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,880
So anyway, a great discussion
where I had a lot of fun with that and,

930
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,440
thinking about some other stuff.

931
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,960
So yeah, I'm like, oh,
I want to go check that out.

932
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,960
And my neck knife, I want to see
if I've still got that around.

933
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:16,680
Yeah.

934
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,800
One of those, you know,
I have to say though, it was Clint Smith.

935
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520
I always said I think it was Clint.
I can't remember for sure.

936
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,240
But he said the,

937
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,960
the very best important thing to remember
is that when you pull the trigger

938
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,720
and shoot someone,
that it's not going to work.

939
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:31,720
Right.

940
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,480
And I really agree with that.

941
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,480
It's like it's not, you know,
I saw a police video and a guy, a cop

942
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,120
pulls his gun out, shoots
a guy in the center torso with his 40,

943
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,320
then massive stopping
power of power of the 40.

944
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,400
Right.

945
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,840
And this guy looks down
and sits down on the curb,

946
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,040
looks up at the cop and says, don't
shoot me anymore.

947
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

948
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,520
And and in the video, I could see that
the cop was like all but like went,

949
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,560
what the, what the hell?

950
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,400
Yeah.

951
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,680
When they look at you and go,
why did you shoot me?

952
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Yeah. Oh.

953
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,160
Well, sorry.

954
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Yeah.
Now that you bring it up, you know. Yeah.

955
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,280
Yeah, exactly.

956
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,400
All right. Good.

957
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:12,840
Yeah.

958
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,360
Good stuff.

959
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,960
Roy, I appreciate you joining us

960
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,200
for the guns podcast U.S,
brought to you by guns magazine.

961
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,160
Please make sure you go and check out
guns magazine.com.

962
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,800
We're still posting stuff there.

963
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,680
I have a weekly, story that I write
and over at American handguns.com.

964
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,600
Tom McHale still, contributing some stuff.

965
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,560
So go check that out.

966
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,160
And of course,

967
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,360
you can watch this very podcast right
there on the website Guns magazine.com.

968
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,720
And of course, on YouTube,
the FMG pub's channel.

969
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,960
And if you go to guns podcast dot U.S,

970
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,000
that's our website for the
the podcast itself.

971
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,960
We've got a lot of interesting stuff
there and a link to all the old episodes,

972
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,040
so check that out and merch and more.

973
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,200
So on behalf of Roy Huntington,
our official unofficial co-host,

974
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,240
that I got to come up with a better term
than that. But,

975
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,680
anyway, on behalf of Roy, I'm your host,
Brant Wheat, reminding you yet again.

976
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,680
Now get out there and get shooting.