#396 - Meghan Patrick on Turning to Music After A Serious Snowboarding Accident + How She Met Mitchell Tenpenny and How They Navigate Marriage Both Being Artists + The Hardest Thing About Managing Her

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Speaker 1: I called my parents and I was like, I know that this is going to bum you out, and I'm really sorry, but I know what I want to do. And at that point, you know, I was working part time, I was in classes, and I was trying to play shows every weekend. I was like, I can't do all these things anymore, and I just don't need a degree.

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Speaker 2: Episode three ninety six is with Meghan Patrick. I will tell you I did not expect her what's the word I can use. I think I do use soft. I expected her to punch me in the stomach when she walked in and walked out, just because she has a very strong present. It's our pictures and our music. Sometimes it's like, hey, dudes, kiss my butt, suck it, you know what I mean. I love her style of music and I think she's awesome, but like I liked, like I just wanted to give her a hug when it was over. I don't know, it just wasn't And I mean this in the best possible way. I wasn't intimidated after about three or four minutes of the interview, meaning I like, totally respect her music and love her music and love what she represents, but also I don't know. She's just so much. There's so much different types of depth with her. Yea, did you feel the same way. Yeah. He has lived in a lot of different lives, four lives. Competitive gymnasts too. Uh. She was like training to be a ski jumper I don't even know the thing is, and just so good at everything she does, like a crazy good athlete. Also how open she was about her past relationships and how that affected her music. And you know she just got married to Mitchell Tinpenny pretty recently. I don't know, I just left really liking her. I tried not to like people after these because then I'm like, I really liked them. I should I should really help them out. I'm gonna feel bad, Oh I see, yeah, because then I get like two attached, just like going to the shelter and seeing a puppy and you're like, oh, I got a doctor at it, Like I feel like this plays as the shelter and so I gotta be careful. But man, it's with her. It was tough because she was just so freaking cool. So her name is Megan Patrick. I'll say this. You want to see what she looks like as we do this at Meghan Patrick music, but Megan is Emmy g h A N. Patrick Music. I'm gonna play a couple of hooks from her new EP, This is Greatest Show on Dirt.

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Speaker 1: Sony's good now I can say.

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Speaker 2: So waish and the one that I addressed later, I'm like, dang, that is good. Red Roses and red flags, man, that's still so good. That, like that concept is so cool. So she's currently working on a full length album that you know that that's what's up. We talked about the dates and making sure that I didn't forget anything while we were doing it that I should do now. You know. She was raised in Canada, you know, and a lot of the Canadian artists don't really like to talk about being from Canada because it makes him feel as I've been told, like people don't accept it as much. But she's just like, I'm from Canada, what's up? Like that is what everybody's from somewhere, and like I like that. Keith Urbans from New Zealand, Australia, Yeah, one of them, maybe both, but really Australia. Later on, right, he born in New Zealand. Yeah, so she dropped out of school, which we talked about bluegrass group. Is there anything she got married to Mitchell Tenpenny follow twenty twenty two. I feel like we did a doll. I had a great time here Meghan Patrick And I'll say this too. Coming up soon a guy that I follow on TikTok that just does a lot of music like stories and he starts it off and he's like, it was a story about a kid who had a hat, and then you kind of follow along and at the end he reveals that it was Animal from the Muppets and his band or whoever it was, right, So he's coming on too, and you know, and with Meghan loved it. But I just want to give you guys a little teas on that situation because he's all music. He didn't want about Third Eye Blind because Stephen Jenkins was a rapper. Do you watch that one watch? It was like started in a rap group and I was like, dang, that's crazy. So Patrick Kicks is the name He'll be coming up soon.

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Speaker 3: So Megan Patrick Kicks.

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Speaker 2: They do that in Will of Fortune where they're like the first before and after. Yeah, like that. I just got asked if I wanted to be on celebrity Will of Fortune Oh, that's awesome. You get to do it. I don't know. I just talked about it on the show and get all their opinions and then do the opposite of what they say. Megan Patrick here she is. Follow her. It is a Bobby Cast, and please follow us at Bobby Cast or at the Bobby Cast, depending on whatever social media platform you're on. That's it. Away we go. So I'll tell the story to Mike. I guess was this weekend I saw you? Yeah, Sunday, so went into Rumble and I was by myself. I don't think my wife was with me.

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Speaker 4: Now you were by yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I went up to work out and I'm doing I'm taking, you know, my sweatshirt off and put my glasses and the thing and and somebody goes, hey, Bobby. I was like, huh, I can't. I don't know who it is. And so I'm like, what's up. She goes, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna be on your podcast. And I'm like, because sometimes people will come out to me on your show one day and I'm always.

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Speaker 3: Like, that's awesome manifesting it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's cool. And she goes it's me Meghan, And I was like, huh Megan Patrick. Oh so that I rander her this weekend. I had no idea what was going on.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell who it was more embarrassing for.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I just struggled with I don't see.

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Speaker 4: You well, no, no, I know it's and she.

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Speaker 2: Goes, I don't have a makeup on, but I still should have the whole It was, like I told her, was like seeing your geography teacher at Walmart totally when you know Walmart well and the geography teacher, but you don't really see them together together. Yeah, I felt like it's even happened to you and I at rumbles when you don't see each.

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Speaker 1: Other, you do ask if you had glasses on us, Like he didn't have glasses on, so we'll give him that hat.

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Speaker 4: How you I'm actually surprised I haven't seen you guys there before. I'm there a lot, really, I'm usually a six am.

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Speaker 2: Or though no, not me. I'm a six am or to work, yeah, or I wake up like three thirty or so a day. But if I don't have to wake up early, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no share and.

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Speaker 2: I don't live on a clock where I naturally wake up on a weekend. Yeah, when do you wake up? Just your body clock. If you just were living five days with nothing to do, on the fifth day, you'd wake up at what time.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to say because it's hard to get into a schedule because I never have a normal schedule. When I am here, I do pretty regularly get up at like five thirty and I try and go. It's a thing where I realized I hate it, But as soon as I get there and I work out, I feel so much better. And let me tell you, hitting something first thing in the morning makes me a much better person for the.

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Speaker 4: Rest of the day. So it's just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It feels like I get a lot more done to in those extra hours in the morning, and by the time I get to my rite at like eleven, my brain is firing on all cylinders and I don't know, I just feel like I have a better day that way.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the responsible way to look at it, right, and that what you do. It is where I've been given the option two week could go in later to our show, but I don't do it either because I know I need to get a lot of stuff done, even though I hate waking up in the morning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it sucks.

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Speaker 1: I don't enjoy it, but I enjoy the results of what I get when I do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel about working out generally. Yeah, and I probably go to Rumble once every two weeks. I also own three of the title boxings in town. Oh that's right, And so my wife prefers to go to Rumble because she likes those that style of class better. Where I like to go to Title as well, because it's just a different kind of boxing. Yeah, it's all pure. It's not pure boxing. I'm not getting hit, but yeah, but I like boxing. I like it a lot. Yeah, it's really good too. I don't really like hitting things if I got a problem there, but you know, I just like the cardio and.

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Speaker 4: My anger is yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let me ask you a question. Do you hate golf?

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Speaker 4: Golf?

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Speaker 2: You do love golf?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I love golf.

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Speaker 2: It's one of two ways whenever your significant other plays a lot where my wife doesn't play golf. She did for a little bit and then she's like, eh, I'm over it. Yeah, where she's like, man, it just seems like you're just gone for seven hours, and I'm like, I know it socks so but I see Mitchell at times playing. I've seen you playing with them though before too, And so you had mentioned because I have a golf simulator over there, You're like, man, he'd be so jealous. But I wonder where you fell in the golf world. You like to play, I.

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Speaker 4: Really do, Actually I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't start playing until I met Mitchell, to be honest. I mean Canada, it's not like you can golf all year round like you can here, So it was never really a thing for me. And we were on a family vacation and he wanted to go golf and he's like, well, why don't you come with me? And I was like, if I'm coming with you. The thing about me is like I'm going to play. I'm not going to just ride around in the car. So if you can like have the patience and be cool with me, like I won't hold up the game, but I am.

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Speaker 4: Going to play.

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Speaker 1: And I actually I really enjoyed it, and like it became something that we can do together, like when we get a little bit of time off where we can get outside and do something.

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Speaker 4: Active, which we love. And also I realized.

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Speaker 1: Like from a business perspective, it's a great move. I golf with people from radio promoters, other songwriters, Like, it's a great networking opportunity that it's not in a bar.

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Speaker 2: And it's long term bonding because you're with especially if you're in the same cart, you're with them for four hours totally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have real conversations and it's forced. Yeah, it's forced exactly.

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Speaker 2: My CFO of all of I hear radio's coming to town tomorrow and he wants to play golf, So okay, we'll go play golf. And I've never actually spent that much time with them ever, right, but he runs the company, and I know that when it's over, we'll have to be better or worse, right, because you've just spent a lot of time together.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's like it works out well because you're playing the game too, So even if you just if it doesn't really get awkward, you can just make small talk about the game.

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Speaker 2: Right when I played Joe, No I saw it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just guess you is that where the temper.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, there's no temper. My temper is oddly quiet mine it's not and I wish I was a little more like you.

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Speaker 4: I wish I was more like you.

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Speaker 2: That's why I box, you know, I can see I see it now, That's.

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Speaker 4: Why I like hitting things. Yeah, that I'm allowed to hit.

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Speaker 2: I just internalize and compartmentalize. But I but just generally, when things aren't going right, generally for you, if something evokes a reaction, is it a large reaction?

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Speaker 1: It takes a lot now to get a large reaction out of me. I have done a lot of work, like a lot of therapy, and then again like for me, working out and like boxing and doing something active really helps to kind of keep me a little more even keeled. But yeah, I mean therapy is a big part of that, and just realizing that, you know, flying off the handle all the time.

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Speaker 4: I always ended up feeling.

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Speaker 1: Stupid after and it never really it didn't make people like listen to me anymore or respect me anymore, you know.

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Speaker 4: So I really kind of got a good handle on that.

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Speaker 2: Now because I guess and it's not even your reputation, but it's like your pictures show that you're like, let's go, let's party.

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Speaker 1: I'm a passionate person, but I but people I think often mis characterize me in that like, yes, I'm a very like passionate person, and yes I'm a bit of a tomboy like to hunt, and I do all these things that I guess would be seen as like tough things to do. But I'm actually like very friendly and kind and like and a lot a lot I don't want to say like softer, but I'm not what people think.

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Speaker 2: You're a lot softer. I'll say softer. Yeah, you're a lot softer, And I would I base all that I say on this now off of images that have been your you know, your your your brand, you know, because but it is your music too, like you have your music is kind of in your face. It's awesome, Like I really like this is a compliment, but it's also an observation. Yeah, I thought maybe you'd punch me the first time I saw you somewhere, like I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: You know, I can punch too, that's true.

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Speaker 2: So as a kid, did you get in trouble?

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Speaker 1: I was actually like a pretty good kid, Like like surprisingly I was. I mean, I was always an athlete and I was definitely like a tough kid for sure, But I wasn't really a rule breaker.

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Speaker 2: Not talking too much.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I mean when it came to like school and stuff, I mean I was a like straight a student.

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Speaker 4: I was like star athlete, played every sport, and I.

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Speaker 1: Didn't like I didn't like disappointing people. I didn't like disappointing my parents, and like they were pretty cool in that, like, look, if you you know, you make good grades, you help out around the house, like you do what you're supposed to do, Like you can kind of do whatever you want. So I felt like I had a lot of freedom, and it meant a lot to me that they kind of gave me that trust. And it's like, look, if you screw it up, then like there's gonna be consequences, but if you do X, Y and Z, then you can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 4: I was like, sweet, that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 2: So were you athletics?

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Speaker 4: I mean I played a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean I always did, you know, like track and field and all the school sports.

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Speaker 4: I was a competitive gymnast for ten years.

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Speaker 2: Wow, and aren't you taller than that? Though?

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Speaker 1: I well by the time I quit, So I actually gotten a bad carrec with my mom when I was I think I was like thirteen and that kind of ended things for me with gymnastics, And honestly, it was kind of coming to an end anyway, because I was literally in the gym like six days a week for most of my life. I didn't really have like I didn't get to go to like birthday parties and things like that. I was like super dedicated to it, and I was getting to a place where I was getting a little bit older and I wanted more of a social life. And so when that car accident happened, by the time I came back, I mean at that age, you advanced so quickly and everyone's learning really quickly, and by the time I came back, all my teammates it felt like they were so far ahead of me by the time I was like recovered and able to like start training again, and I just kind of lost the passion for it.

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Speaker 4: And I had.

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Speaker 1: Also started snowboarding, and so I pretty much went straight from being like super hardcore gymnasts to competitive snowboarder. And that was that carried all through high school.

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Speaker 2: Was the dream to be an Olympian. Yes, is like the Nady and Olympic team. Is that like people that yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean where I grew up. I mean, you got to figure out something to do in the winter that you like because it's there's winter is long. And my family was like big on you know, skiing and snowboarding. That was all of our family trips. And I started snowboarding. One of my best friends, Matt Morrison, he he took me out him and his mom actually taught me how to ride, and you know, we we were he was like my brother, and so I would go out and ride with the guys, and of course I just wanted to beat the guys all the time.

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Speaker 4: I was that girl.

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Speaker 1: And he decided to start competing, and so he was like, we should do this together.

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Speaker 4: I was like, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: So we competed all through high school. My senior year of high school, I was having like the best season of my life. I was supposed to go to Junior Worlds in Switzerland and all this like amazing stuff was happening. And I had convinced my parents that if I made the national development team that they'd be cool with me deferring going to college because they really wanted me to go to school, and I wanted to compete, and I was warming up in a Slopestyll competition and went off a jump way too fast, which is par for the course with.

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Speaker 4: Me, and way too aggressively and it threw me off.

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Speaker 1: When I went up to start my rotation, I kind of overcorrected and basically ended up doing a front flip without completing the rotation, landed on my head and my shoulder, snapped my collar roone and dislocated my shoulder and kind of suitcased on top of myself, and so I broke my back, broke my ribs, severe concussion.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that.

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Speaker 1: I remember being in the air and thinking this is going to be bad, and I don't remember anything else from that day.

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Speaker 4: It was pretty scary.

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Speaker 1: I still definitely have like a lot of effects from the concussions, and so that kind of like obviously through a wrench in things. I was like bedridden and couldn't even walk. I couldn't do anything for months, and I really turned to music during that time. I started writing lyrics and kind of writing songs. I mean, I was like really depressed and I couldn't do anything, and yeah, so I started I was just listening to music a lot and trying to write stuff. And when I came out of that recovery, I kind of had shifted focus and realized like okay, and I talked to my parents about it, and you know, I think I hadn't really accepted it to that point that music was.

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Speaker 4: Something I could make a living off of.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was something that I really liked, but I hadn't really thought like, oh, I could actually do this for a living. And my parents supported it, and I ended up going to McGill University and I studied opera because I had taken singing lessons all through high school as well and did all the real conservatory everything so annoying.

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Speaker 2: It was like it but nothing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're doing fine, Bobby, Well, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Had to struggle to. So I'm going to run a parallel here and see if it's similar to you. I've had a couple incidents now, it's been like seven or eight. But I got jumped once and had a gun to my head and that was really really messed me up, no doubt, And then I got jumped outside of a radio station. I had some depth, but all these events, like the first one was bad and it really messed up my brain. But then once the second one happened that was real bad. I regressed a lot as far as who I trusted, what I trusted when I trusted it people behind me. Now, when I hear of you and you have these two trum physically traumatic but not just physically emotionally mentally h like, I would think that both of those even today, would still like I wouldn't want to go fast in a car, I would want to jump off stuff like in the same way I don't want to be by myself alone at night in a parking lot. I don't go into work without my security guy being there because that's that stuff's really mess with my head.

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Speaker 4: No, I hear you, and I mean the.

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Speaker 1: Snowboarding incident definitely it really shook me.

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Speaker 2: Like the correct and the snowboard incident feel the same.

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Speaker 4: Correct wasn't as wasn't as bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was definitely scary, but I mean, I don't know that one didn't really stick with me as much. I guess I mean because I was younger too, and it didn't really like and honestly, if anything, I kind of felt like it was one of those silver lining bad things that happens that actually ends up directing you onto a kind of you know, correct course, I'm okay from that. Yeah, oh yeah, no, we were fine, Like it was. There was no like really severe injuries or anything. It was just really scary. We got a guy ran a stop sign and t boned us and we like went off the road and hit like a tree and I just had like whiplash and some cuts and stuff. But it was it was more like scary than anything. You have brothers, I don't know, I got a little sister, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I asked, because again you're excelling athletics. You go from a sport to us sports, you know, before you end up getting over to music. And a lot of times that happens with people with older brothers because they can just mimic or use them as you know, even a kind of mentor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So who was really into sports in your family? And dad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad is an incredible athlete. He actually is still holding national records as a as a swimmer. He was a competitive swimmer. Yeah, he did iron Man. See do you see understand now why my need to be so good? He also like builds beautiful mahogany boats and like runs a business.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's kind of superman.

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Speaker 2: So how old is he now?

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Speaker 4: He is sixty?

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Speaker 2: Is like still in good shape?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean you're like, no, it's it's actually annoying how all my friends talk about my dad being hot.

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Speaker 4: So it's.

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Speaker 2: So you go to school to study opera? Mm hmm, what in the world do you know about opera?

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Speaker 1: You know. It was one of those things where so I started taking singing lessons when I was twelve. I auditioned for like a school musical. My teacher was like, hey, you have a good voice. Do you want to take lessons? And the person that they set me up with, you know, her focus was more like opera, and I guess because I had this really big, powerful voice, I had a big range. She was like, you're going to sing opera? And I was like, at the time, it was kind of just.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, this is cool. Didn't know my voice could do this? Find you kind of yeah, but I was.

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Speaker 1: I liked it because it was it was cool just even discovering what my voice could do. And I think it was like, you know, I liked that I was learning how to read music and so there was a lot of valuable things there and I was definitely like interested and passionate about singing. But it wasn't until I actually, you know, so when I was looking at schools, I mean a lot of the schools in Canada anyway. I really wanted to go to the school in the US actually because there's some incredible music programs, but it was crazy expensive and a lot of the Canadian programs, I feel like, are still very like traditional and kind of like like.

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Speaker 4: You can study jazz, so you can study opera.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's and it might be different now, but there wasn't as many options that were like outside of that kind of rigid thing. And so I did like one year and I was like, I hate this.

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Speaker 4: This is terrible.

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Speaker 1: I'm not passionate about this genre and the people who are in this program like really are and it was very clear to me I was not fitting in. And I had met a couple guys that were in the jazz program, these horn players, and they were starting a band and so they asked me if I wanted to sing. So it was a nine piece, nine guys and me, and we were called the New Groove Orchestra, and so that kind of pushed me more towards like being interested in jazz it was at least something that felt more like what I was into. And you know, we toured and we made a couple of records. We got to open for Aretha Franklin at Montreal Jazz Fest, and that was like my first taste of really like touring and being on the road.

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Speaker 2: And I loved it with jazz. And have friends who've played jazz music, like jazz bassed jazz piano, and they talk about how you just you kind of have your own lane that you can experiment and play around it, but you got to stay in the lane. Like you can totally can't hop in a different key. But as a vocalist, is it the same, Can you kind of move around as long as you stay in the selected space?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean when you get into like scatting and stuff, which was always like equal parts fun for me and like terrifying because you're just kind of like.

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Speaker 4: Going for it.

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Speaker 2: Did you do that with you gat? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean I did it, and we had to do it in class all the time, and you'd have to like do it in front of the class and it was so awkward because you're literally singing gibberish. Yeah, totally it's like, so you always feel kind of like silly, But I also feel like it gave me a really great grasp of just like melodies over progressions and figuring out, okay, where can I go and which I think in the end translated into the songwriting aspect of just being able to find cooler melodies and different melodies and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Ever hear of Meltormet, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he like wrote one of the books that we had in class.

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Speaker 2: Yet when I think of jazz singers, especially scat, it's like Meltormete to me was like the guy not that I have this, you know, robust cheryld's a girl for me. Yeah, like robust history of jazz. I don't yeh. But I definitely had my phase where I was like, let me just explore all the jazz music I can possibly find. Skipoo, you know. I thought that's super cool. I thought I could do also like a freestyle.

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Speaker 2: So when does the bluegrass thing come about?

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Speaker 1: So after I ended up switching into the jazz program at McGill and again was still just kind of like, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I'm not feeling this just doesn't feel like it's for me.

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Speaker 1: And so I found out that Humber College in Toronto had a little bit of like a broader and there was also some more classes to do with like music business. And because at this point, I'm starting to feel like I just want to like get a record deal and tour and write songs and like get a publishing deal and be a songwriter.

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Speaker 2: Could you do that in Canada?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: Did you feel?

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Speaker 4: I didn't?

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Speaker 1: I mean it obviously it existed, but it was not the same as like growing up here for sure, And because Mitchell and I have talked about that a lot, and you know, I just hadn't seen a lot of people that I grew up around or with that had like really made it doing, you know, as a songwriter or as an artist. But so I was like, well, I guess, you know, I'll just finish school, but maybe I'm going to try this program. So I transfer over to Humber and find out that that they used to have a bluegrass ensemble. So I ended up meeting some guys that also love bluegrass, and we end up convincing them to revive this bluegrass ensemble and I like, oh my gosh, we have so much fun. It was. It was incredible. I was like, this is the music. I love this music. I love the harmonies and like the vocal parts. I love the instrumentation. And at that around that time, I had started going back home to Bowmenville and I met this guy, Sam Balsan, and he was playing this open mic and we became friends and we started like jamming together and playing some songs.

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Speaker 4: Together, and for a while we were also like a duo.

00:24:35
Speaker 1: We also dated this whole time and started a band called The Stone Sparrows. And that's when I decided to drop out of school. I called my parents and I was like, I know that this is going to bum you out, and I'm really sorry, but I just I know.

00:24:50
Speaker 4: What I want to do.

00:24:51
Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, I was working part time, I was in classes, and I was trying to play shows every weekend. I was like, I can't do all these things anymore, and I just don't need a degree to do what I want to do. And so they kind of were like, well, I mean, you know, we're not going to stop you. I mean we're going to stop paying for things. But you know, we'll support you. And I'm actually really glad that they they didn't really help me, like or give me money to do this, because I had to.

00:25:17
Speaker 4: I had to work really hard. I had to figure it out.

00:25:19
Speaker 1: I busked on street corners in subways to make ends meet. I took every like gig I could, playing in bars. I would play for hours for you know, a few hundred bucks maybe in a bar tab And at this point, you know, we started playing more regular gigs with my my bluegrass band and made some records and again like got to play some really big shows and it was it was awesome.

00:25:42
Speaker 4: And then Sam and I broke up.

00:25:45
Speaker 2: Was that when that dissolved the group?

00:25:48
Speaker 1: No, we played together for a yearly c Yeah, let me tell you a ten out of ton do not recommend.

00:25:53
Speaker 2: But yeah, in anyway, not even just this like people to get divorced live in the same house.

00:25:58
Speaker 4: Ye, yeah, it was. It was rough.

00:26:00
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we we it was just a hard thing because I mean we were together for four years and he I'm so grateful for him because he was such an incredible musician and I know that he had a huge impact on my musicianship, and you know, my songwriting and just kind of finding my own voice.

00:26:17
Speaker 4: So I'm very grateful for that. So I don't regret any of it.

00:26:20
Speaker 1: But the year that we we when we broke up, we were like, well, we have this band, like it isn't just about us, and we can't just.

00:26:26
Speaker 4: Like bail we had.

00:26:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we had my bass player he was playing upright bass, our buddy Jim, and then my friend Oliver was playing fiddle, and so we felt like, okay, well we started this and we were kind of like peeking, like we were crushing it as a band, and it was like I felt responsible, like, well, we can't just like bail on the band because we broke up and we were adults.

00:26:44
Speaker 4: We could do this. This will be fine.

00:26:46
Speaker 1: And then he started dating one of my friends and we went on tour together and it was horrible.

00:26:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine just the proximity, right, it was rough.

00:26:54
Speaker 4: It was rough.

00:26:55
Speaker 2: It was like the Eagles because now you know, they don't even know it.

00:26:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they just come out on you know.

00:27:00
Speaker 2: It was.

00:27:01
Speaker 1: It didn't end like really badly it honestly, it also came down to the other players. So Jim and Allie ended up starting a brewery in our hometown, and so it kind of just came down to, like, everybody else in the band had other things they were interested in and like kind of backup plans or other jobs, and I didn't. This was it for me, and so we kind of went ways like on on good terms. Everyone was just kind of gonna do their own thing. And that was when I that was the first time in my life I was ever Megan Patrick, a solo artist and not like part of a band.

00:27:30
Speaker 2: Did you regret dropping out of school for a minute?

00:27:32
Speaker 4: Absolutely not it.

00:27:35
Speaker 1: No, I mean I just once I got a taste of like being on the road and writing songs, I was like, this is exactly what I want to do, and like I'll do whatever it takes to do this.

00:27:44
Speaker 4: I mean, to me, school was just like a waste of my time. It was getting in my way.

00:27:47
Speaker 1: I don't I don't regret going because I met a lot of incredible musicians and I had some great teachers and like so I think I definitely gained a lot from that.

00:27:56
Speaker 4: I didn't gain a diploma, but I did get a lot from the experience.

00:28:00
Speaker 2: When did you start thinking that Nashville could be a.

00:28:04
Speaker 4: Destination probably about ten years ago.

00:28:10
Speaker 2: Where is that in the timeline? So you you guys break up the band?

00:28:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we actually before the band was broken up, we actually came. We went to Bonneroo, and we drove down from Canada and we decided we were going to go early and like.

00:28:24
Speaker 4: Check out Nashville, see see what it was all about.

00:28:27
Speaker 1: And I was really really broke. I mean I could barely afford this trip. And so everybody like went to Broadway and they're going to go out and drink. And I saw somebody playing guitar on a sidewalk.

00:28:36
Speaker 4: So I was like, I can do that.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make some beer money and all you guys you're gonna do that now? I was, yeah, I was like they were gonna go drink. I went to the hotel, I grabbed my guitar and found like a sidewalk corner on Broadway and just started playing. And like dude, I made I made enough money. I bought my first pair of Cowboy boots at boot Barn, and I got very drunk on Broadway that night, and uh, and I was just like, man, this city is like awesome, Like there's just music everywhere, like I'd never really seen anything like it, and that definitely planted a little bit of a seed for me.

00:29:09
Speaker 4: And then also I really loved the South.

00:29:12
Speaker 1: I loved the people and just like the energy and just the way people loved country music. And yeah, there was just a culmination of a lot of things that really drew me towards here. And after that I ended up. I probably would have moved sooner had I not signed my deal with Warner in Canada. In fact, around the time I signed with them, I was about to move to Nashville. Then I get this record deal, so I'm like, Okay, it makes sense to stay in Canada, build a career, do some touring, and kind of maybe revisit this move in.

00:29:45
Speaker 4: A couple of years.

00:29:46
Speaker 1: So a couple years later, I got to a point where if I wasn't on the road, then I was in Nashville writing, and every time I came back home, I just I felt like I was trying to be two different people. Like I was trying to be this Megan that everyone had grown up with that wasn't a touring artist with a record deal and everything, and these people had totally different lives in me at this point and I was loving what I was doing on the road. I was loving being in Nashville, and I was having a hard time reconciling that with who I was who they had known me to be back home. And I also felt like I just wasn't inspired, Like I wasn't working when I was home. I was trying to just do what everyone else was doing when what I really wanted to be doing was like writing and creating. And so I eventually I had a long term relationship to at the time, and we broke up. I went on tour with Tom cochrane for like a month, and I was like, I got to figure out where I'm going to live, and I realized, like, well not Nashville.

00:30:39
Speaker 2: Life is a highway to con.

00:30:42
Speaker 4: Sang that song many times, That's the one.

00:30:47
Speaker 1: It was a random I don't know, he saw something, he saw something that I did, and he asked for me.

00:30:52
Speaker 4: I guess, and I was like, awesome, And it was great. It was a great experience.

00:30:57
Speaker 1: It was a great challenge playing for a crowd and demographic that wasn't really my normal crowd in demographic.

00:31:02
Speaker 4: I think I learned a lot as a as an entertainer, like how to read the.

00:31:05
Speaker 1: Crowd and how to play for different people and kind of, you know, figure out what they're what they want, and give it to them. But yeah, I came back from that and you know, my mom is American, my dad's Canadian, so I have dual citizenship. And I was like, man, why would I even stay here? Like this is the time to move to Nashville. So I reached out to a friend who was living here and I barely even knew her. She was just another Canadian. And I was like, Hey, what's a good place to live in Nashville? And she's like, well, actually I need a roommate. Do you want to live with me? And so she found us a place. I came off the road and probably thirty six hours later I had a truck and a trailer backed up and drove down here.

00:31:41
Speaker 2: What year was that?

00:31:42
Speaker 4: That was six years ago? I think was that twenty seventeen?

00:31:46
Speaker 2: What times? All weird and melted now?

00:31:48
Speaker 4: But totally yeah.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: I saw I've been to Toronto before and that's Ontario, right, yep? And Ontario you can tell me if I'm right Ontario. Those are like states. So Ontario is the state you got dumb it down for us?

00:32:03
Speaker 4: Here.

00:32:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, the state was the province was Ontario. Yes, so yeah, where was your town in relation to Toronto? Because I know where that is.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I grew up about it's about forty five minutes to an hour east of Toronto.

00:32:15
Speaker 2: What do we considered a suburb?

00:32:17
Speaker 4: I mean, like now.

00:32:19
Speaker 1: Probably it was pretty small and rural when I was growing up. It has changed a lot since I moved and it's a lot more developed now. It's right, it's right on Lake Ontario, so it's close.

00:32:29
Speaker 4: To the water.

00:32:30
Speaker 2: First time I met you, I think I was doing a series of shows working on material at a small theater down in Franklin, and I would do like to today today, and Mitchell had come out and you were with him.

00:32:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:32:39
Speaker 2: I don't know that you guys were married yet.

00:32:41
Speaker 4: We were not. Now we just got married last October.

00:32:44
Speaker 2: Then for sure you wouldn't have been married out yet.

00:32:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was a few years ago now.

00:32:47
Speaker 2: And maybe you were just I don't know how long you has dated. But I remember them being like yeah, and this is probably where my impression of you comes in. They were like, yeah, that's Megan Patrick. She's a country artists from Canada. She's a real fire cracker. I remember somebody saying that who calls people a firecracker? I remember it being like, oh, I should, I should probably watch out then, And so that was my first time meeting you. But I don't think I really ever saw you perform until did you do a showcase for iHeart? Have you ever done here in Nashville? Yeah?

00:33:20
Speaker 4: I did.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: I did do something like just acoustic thing or with a band, No, it's acoustic.

00:33:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did do something for it was like the iHeart Summit or something.

00:33:28
Speaker 2: Exactly, that's what it was.

00:33:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

00:33:30
Speaker 2: That's the person I ever saw your perform. Yeah, because there's a bunch of radio people in there, right, And I was like, God, actually good and so I'd always you know, I kept up with you because of Mitchell, because I know Mitchell a bit. And I saw you at uh at Rumbule and I was like, Hey, what's the deal, And you said you're now with Riser House. Is that so to explain that to me?

00:33:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, you know, Warner Canada and I parted ways at the end of last year, and you know, I'm super grateful to everything. I mean, they started my career and we did a lot of great things together, and I think, you know, there's a lot of changes in personnel over there, and we.

00:34:05
Speaker 4: Just we had it. We had different ideas of where we needed to go.

00:34:08
Speaker 2: Also, do they want to keep you in Canada?

00:34:10
Speaker 4: No?

00:34:11
Speaker 1: I mean when I signed at Warner Canada, I'd made it very clear to them that my intention was to come to the US and to I wanted to be like an international artist, and so that was always really clear. And I actually structured my deal in a way that if Warner Canada had not procured me, I guess an American deal in Warner Nashville passed on me, they'd first rites refusal. Then I could take back the US territory. I would own that again, and I could then go sign with whoever I wanted after a certain I think it was my third record or something. So that's what happened, and I went to Riser and then yeah, we Warner and I parted ways at the end of last year, and so now I'm just with Riser and it's been awesome. No.

00:34:56
Speaker 4: I love new beginnings and fresh starts, I really do.

00:35:00
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, I think it had just run its course, and I had felt very stifled and kind of suffocated and really stuck for the last couple of years just creatively and like just feeling like I couldn't move forward and do what I wanted to do. And so now I feel like I have a clear road ahead of me. I also got new management. I signed at make Wake and my manager, Randy, is killing it, and I just feel like I finally have the right people around me that we share the same ideas about how we find success, and we share the same ideas about, you know, putting fans first and building things organically and authentically, and also, you know, I mean, it takes a lot of courage to truly be yourself as an artist, and it takes a lot of courage to manage someone who is doing that and be on that ride with them and take the leaps with them and trust in what they do and allowing them to take those chances and step outside of the box.

00:35:59
Speaker 4: And I definitely have that. So I'm very grateful for that.

00:36:03
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

00:36:19
Speaker 2: What's the hardest thing about managing.

00:36:21
Speaker 4: You, Randy?

00:36:25
Speaker 2: What do you think it is? I'll give you a second thing I can I can vamp for a second. For me, I think it's probably that I have seventeen things going at once, and I'm bouncing quickly one to the next one or the next day. What about this, It's just I'm all over the place. But I feel like in a very disciplined and deliberate way. If it's I'm working on a book, I always got the radio show, I'm doing this today. For me, I know that's difficult for my team sometimes.

00:36:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:36:50
Speaker 2: Sure, For you, what is it? What's the hardest thing about managing you?

00:36:53
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. There's a couple of things that come to mind.

00:36:55
Speaker 1: Well, One, I love to hunt, and I spend a lot of time outdoors with no service, and so I'm not always I really like it's necessary for me to get off the grid sometimes, which is probably not ideal for management.

00:37:10
Speaker 4: And I don't know, probably just like managing.

00:37:13
Speaker 1: My expectations and like or when I get frustrated about something, like I get very frustrated by people not being honest with me, being like lazy or complacent about things, because I am I get up every morning like I'm going to do everything today and I'm going to absolutely crush it and and so does my manager Randy. But when other people around me, like when I feel like they're not being honest with me, or they're kind of dancing around the truth, or they're just not getting stuff done, I get very agitated.

00:37:42
Speaker 4: And she probably takes that. She kind of absorbs a lot of that on my behalf. Sorry.

00:37:49
Speaker 2: When you make music and you listen to music, and by the way, your new EP's out great to show on dirt, but even this for example, for an example, are you just so particular? Are you listening to it a hundred times picking out notes, or are you going, this is good, it makes you feel good, It's exactly what we wanted to push out, Like which version are you?

00:38:09
Speaker 4: I think I'm like a happy medium.

00:38:11
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm very very picky about my vocals because that's one thing that like I'm in control of and I know what I'm capable of, and I know what I can and you know can't do. So if I feel like if it's if I feel like it's not where it needs to be, then I'm gonna do. And my producer has been like, Megan, it's good.

00:38:27
Speaker 4: I was like, it's not good enough.

00:38:30
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't get I kind of like to let the band like do their thing and and not be like micromanaging the music too much. But yeah, I mean I'm fairly I'm fairly picky for sure, But I think I'm pretty good at like deferring to my team too and my producers and saying like, Okay, I feel like this is like bothering me, but maybe I'm being crazy or you know, what do you guys think? And then you know, I think we have I think we have a lot of trust amongst ourselves and we can have great conversations where we defer to each other when we need to.

00:39:00
Speaker 2: So I feel like one of the best things to happen to me in therapy is awareness. At least I never am fully self aware, but having some self awareness. Do you feel like therapy has helped you be more self aware even of the expectations you have of people.

00:39:16
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, first just therapy as a whole. I mean, I could not advocate for therapy more. I've been in therapy for the last couple of years. I'm going to shout out Porter's Call because they are incredible what they do there, and it's changed my life.

00:39:32
Speaker 2: Explain what that is real quick.

00:39:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, Porter's call.

00:39:36
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a free service to artists, and they have therapists that are like specifically knowledgeable in our career and what we do in this industry, so they're you know, they have that information and understanding of like the particular things that we might struggle with in our industry, which is incredibly helpful because I've done other therapy before and.

00:39:55
Speaker 4: You don't have that. And yeah, and it's free for artists. It's incredible.

00:39:59
Speaker 2: So that's been important to you.

00:40:01
Speaker 4: It's Yeah, it's.

00:40:02
Speaker 1: Been a huge help for me, and you know, just figuring out like why I am the way I am, and you know, figuring out how to how to work on some of the parts of myself that I that I didn't like or that I knew were very reactive to just past trauma and things that I'd been through and traumatic relationships, abusive relationships, manipulative relationships with people that have made me doubt myself and second guess myself and my confidence in myself, and also recognizing like I'm an I'm a very direct person and I'm a very blunt person, and I do that because I think that's like a sign of respect to speak to someone that way, because that's how I want to be spoken to. I don't like it when I feel like someone.

00:40:46
Speaker 2: Is bsing me like directness is kindness to you.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think like honesty and directness is like kindness and respect to me, because if you aren't willing to do that for me, that makes me feel like you don't respect me, or you don't like think I can handle it, or something like that, and that bothers me.

00:41:01
Speaker 4: But I recognize that some people they need a little sugar on top, you know.

00:41:05
Speaker 1: And I'm not being inauthentic to myself by reading the room and just taking a different approach to get the desired result and have a better relationship with the people around me, especially the people I work with, because when I get in business mode, like I said, I'm like, here are the facts, here's what we need to do, here's what you need to do, here's what you need to do, and it can come off a little like abrasive or scary. Sometimes I guess.

00:41:29
Speaker 2: I get that too, and that's not always the goal. And I think it, Yeah, everybody here to say that about me too, that at times it can be a little too direct where it almost feels rude and don't mean it to be rude, but I'm just trying to be extremely efficient.

00:41:44
Speaker 4: That's right, efficiency, thank you.

00:41:47
Speaker 2: And I've also had to learn that that's let's not waste your time, absolutely, and that's ANIR based communication style though, And I've had to also learn that that's on me a little bit, yeah, because I will just go ABCD, that's it. Break, that's just because it's my communication style.

00:42:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.

00:42:03
Speaker 2: I gotta be like, all right, I know, I know Reid needs to be hugged a little bit, right read I need to say, Reid, you do this, I'm a little hug and yeah. So I think that's what's been good for me is my communication doesn't always have to be just mostly it is right. I get email tone, I get bad email tone all the time. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not going mean, I just said, need to do this.

00:42:22
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much I relate to that. And I think, like two, it's even worse as a woman because that kind of directness, especially in business, I think is more accepted amongst men, but when a woman does it, it's it's.

00:42:37
Speaker 2: Basically to be right, that's what they say.

00:42:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, I was just thinking about the office.

00:42:42
Speaker 1: I think it was Dwight said something like, I'm not going to waste your time, and I wouldn't dare waste mine.

00:42:47
Speaker 4: That's kind of how.

00:42:48
Speaker 2: Yeah about it? The CP that's out now, Greatest Show on Dirt. I put one of that. I put the title track on the Women of Buy Our Country. Right, yeah, so Mike, play me a little bit of that. Now I can say song.

00:43:05
Speaker 4: Wish long.

00:43:08
Speaker 2: So you wrote the song. I'm always curious to know how the title, how the idea came about, or how you turned a title into means something else, because to me, I hear great Show on Dirt, that's baseball because we had an arkanesal traveler for a baseball team with the Greatest Show on Dirt. However, that is not this song specifically, it's not about the Orchestral Travelers. No, no, it is not.

00:43:34
Speaker 1: Well, first, I can't I can't take credit for that title. That was Trany Anderson, whose incredible songwriter just had her first number one with Laney Wilson's Heart Like a Truck. We've been writing together a ton, and we were on writer's retreat with Jake Mitchell and Matt McGinn, and she just like casually drops this title and we're like that's amazing, Like how what? And I was like, okay, how do we not screw this up? And my first thought you you went to baseball? I thought about like rodeo, you know, and I mean I did own a horse once, but it was mostly just so I could like ride trails and drink beer. I was by no means any kind of like rodeo queen. And so I was like, okay, well that doesn't feel like authentic to me, so what else could it be? And I just was thinking about, like, you know, summer love, summer romance when you couldn't really there wasn't much to do where I grew up, so you mostly just rode around in back roads and you know, pull up somewhere, lay down a blanket, hang out, have.

00:44:29
Speaker 4: Some beers whatever.

00:44:31
Speaker 1: And I was like, so what if it's that, you know, just this throwback to this nostalgic relationship and where this guy is just he's he's handsome, and he's got all the right lines and you're just like in this dreamy cinematic thing. And I think what was cool about it is that you know, it's obviously implied that the relationship didn't work out in the end, but that wasn't the point of the song. It wasn't about the breakup or why they broke up. And I think it's cool that recognizing that, like, sometimes relationships are just meant to be for a period of time. They teach you something thing, or they just make you feel good, they make you happy, and then you move on and that's okay, and it doesn't have to be like this painful breakup. You can still kind of look back on those moments fondly.

00:45:09
Speaker 3: Hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

00:45:26
Speaker 2: Another song that I had programmed into the National show was She's No Good for Me? Is that the single?

00:45:31
Speaker 4: Now? Is that the That was the first one that came out, that was the lead single?

00:45:35
Speaker 2: Got it?

00:45:35
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:45:35
Speaker 2: I just picked songs.

00:45:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one perfect.

00:45:39
Speaker 2: So She's No Good for Me? Mike repla A little bit of that.

00:45:42
Speaker 4: I guess es how good for me?

00:45:48
Speaker 2: Give me? Give me that story a little bit too on this one.

00:45:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:45:51
Speaker 1: That was another different writers retreat, but also with Tranny and Jake Mitchell and Michael Whitworth. And I I can't even remember because it took us a while to actually come around to this idea. I think I had come in with this title learning how to Leave Her, and I was like, this is just feels like a cool title, but I'm like, I.

00:46:11
Speaker 4: Guess it would just be a guy song.

00:46:13
Speaker 1: And then we kind of talked around a bunch of different things, and I think it was Witworth it said, well, what if it was you speaking about like yourself, like learning how to leave her?

00:46:23
Speaker 4: And then we ended up landing on She's no good for me as being that hook.

00:46:27
Speaker 1: But we did leave learning how to Leave Her in the bridge, so it still made its moment.

00:46:31
Speaker 4: But we just kind of started talking.

00:46:33
Speaker 1: About you know, as I said, the last couple of years went through a lot of therapy. Obviously, the pandemic was rough for everyone, and I know for me it forced a lot of like self reflection, and you know, I had a lot of time to think about things and think about what kind of person do I want to be? Am I living a life that's that's a good life? Am I truly happy? Am I doing things that make me happy? Or am I my own worst enemy? And just kind of recognizing some of my behaviors that were probably fun at a time in my life, but we're no longer serving me just you know, just drinking too much and going out and drinking for the wrong reasons and then ending up in these toxic relationships and going back to these toxic relationships and just like being kind of this like pathetic, screwed up version of myself.

00:47:19
Speaker 4: And I just was like, I was just so tired of that, And.

00:47:24
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was part of that that journey is recognizing that, you know, your progress isn't always linear. Sometimes you slip up and you know you have a few too many or whatever, but as at least when you recognize that, you can start like moving forward towards a better version of yourself.

00:47:39
Speaker 2: So with you and Mitchell both being in music, and we struggle, my wife and I because I'm gone a lot. I can't imagine if she had a job that kept her away a lot. Yeah, it would be doubly as hard. So and you're both at that part of your career right now too where you just got to go yep, yeah, So how hard is that?

00:48:03
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird, It is really hard, But the fact that we both are doing that. I mean, yes, it means less time together, but it's kind of also why it works because I think for both of us in the past, like previous relationships, like a lot of the issues and are both of our previous relationships was like I know, for me, was just feeling constantly guilty for doing my job and feeling like I always had to defend that, like doing certain things like going out to a party or a bar or an event where yes, people are drinking and having fun, but it is still work, it is still a networking opportunity or you know, things like that, and defending that like, no, this is work, this is part of my job, and feeling guilty for being gone all the time and prioritizing my career and music. And I've literally said to more than one boyfriend, like, listen, if you push me to choose, like, I won't choose you.

00:48:54
Speaker 4: You know, I just won't.

00:48:55
Speaker 1: I've loved music, this has been my dream forever, like I and I don't feel like I should have to choose.

00:49:01
Speaker 4: And so when I met.

00:49:02
Speaker 1: Mitchell, you know, we both were actually really specifically trying to not date anybody when we met. He was he ended up signing he was talking with Sony at the time, so he signed his deal like maybe a month after we started seeing each other, and I was like, in the thick of it in Canada, I was touring a bunch. I mean after we met, I went on tour for like a month, and I just figured, well, you know, he'll just he'll go to me in like a week. He's another artist, songwriter, you know, guy in Nashville who thinks he's God's gift to the country and women and you know whatever. And he wasn't he We talked every day, and you know, he ended up saying to me about three chords the way through the tour, Yeah, I kind of want to lock this down.

00:49:43
Speaker 4: So do you want to date?

00:49:44
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, cool, and then I was like, I'm not really sure what that means. He's like, I mean like like I'm committing to you.

00:49:50
Speaker 4: And I was like all right. And then I think it was forty five minutes later, I'm on the bus and I get a text. He's like, so just to be clear, like I can.

00:49:56
Speaker 1: Tell people you're my girlfriend, right, But it's that weird thing, like does that even what do these terms mean?

00:50:01
Speaker 4: What does dating? See each other, what does that even mean anymore?

00:50:03
Speaker 2: So?

00:50:04
Speaker 1: But it's you know, I just Mitchell, there is nobody happier for my successes than my husband. And you know, because he's been through it and he goes through it and he's lived here his whole life too.

00:50:15
Speaker 4: He just he understands what I have to do. And you know, he called me.

00:50:18
Speaker 1: I was I think it was after we did the Luke com Show in Detroit and I called him and I was just like, I'm so happy, babe, Like everything is happening that I've dreamed about and I miss you, but I'm so happy.

00:50:29
Speaker 4: And he was like, you got to go out and get it. He's like, don't worry about me.

00:50:32
Speaker 1: We got forever. Like it's all good. You know, you got to go out there and get it. And I'm proud of you.

00:50:37
Speaker 4: So I don't think I could do this without him doing that. I mean, I give me that support and I kind of love him to. Yeah, he's pretty awesome.

00:50:47
Speaker 2: Is it difficult to, you know, have some success in a place and then go to some place.

00:50:54
Speaker 4: Where nobody cares about you.

00:50:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost how I feel. State to state.

00:51:01
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

00:51:01
Speaker 2: I can go somewhere and it's like, yeah, everybody's like, oh, I got then I'll go to other places like they don't care. It's like, hey guy, get out of the road. And I've come to enjoy that now. Yeah, going to the places where they like get out of the road. However, it's got to be a weird feeling for you to have people know you and then start over.

00:51:18
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:51:20
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say this like I had already been coming down to Nashville pretty regularly to write before I ever moved here, and really like took a real run at trying to build a career here, and so I was I knew what it was going to be, Like, I knew that was going to happen. That wasn't That wasn't any kind of shock to me. That doesn't mean that I haven't had moments where I've been really frustrated, you know, because it's like, I don't know, feeling like people are treating you like like you just stepped off the bus yesterday, and it's like, look, i know that I'm new here, but I'm not new to this industry. I've been I've been playing in bands and touring and doing this since I was like fourteen years old, and I already built a really successful career in cana to doing things this way? Can you give me a little credit here that I know what I'm doing, you know, and I know that it is. There are definitely differences in the two industries for sure, between Canada and the US. But you know, I think it's just yeah, I mean it's it's humbling, for sure, But it just didn't matter.

00:52:18
Speaker 4: I just wanted it and I just was like, well, it's just what it takes. You're just gonna have to what are you gonna do?

00:52:23
Speaker 1: Quit?

00:52:24
Speaker 4: No, So just suck it up. It is what it is, and you figure out a way around it.

00:52:28
Speaker 1: You just keep getting up every day and convincing people you deserve to be there and keep proving them wrong.

00:52:33
Speaker 4: And that's all you can do.

00:52:35
Speaker 2: I mean, it feels very much like you're training for something like when you yeah, that's how you had to prepare to trailing for whatever it is, if it's being a gymnast, if it's I mean, it's the same mindset, absolutely, and you've maintained it and you've just put it somewhere else totally.

00:52:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:52:51
Speaker 2: I just can't picture you flying and landing upside down your head.

00:52:55
Speaker 1: I mean that is yeah, I mean thankfully I didn't have to see it happen. I think it was probably scarier for the people that saw. I mean, my friend Matt was right behind me on the hill and when he got to me, I was unconscious.

00:53:07
Speaker 4: I bit my tongue, so.

00:53:08
Speaker 1: There was like blood everywhere, and I was like laying there in this like very unnatural position, like not moving.

00:53:14
Speaker 4: I still feel bad for that. For Matt, I think, I think, I.

00:53:16
Speaker 2: See he's not the one that feel bad for Megan.

00:53:19
Speaker 4: No, he went He went to two Olympics actually, so he crushed it.

00:53:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you could have got there?

00:53:25
Speaker 4: You know, I've never put a lot of thought into that because it just it's just not to grow to me. I'm glad I didn't. I'll say that.

00:53:34
Speaker 2: I listen, I couldn't have gotten NFL. It doesn't matter if I was not getting to the NFL. Do you think with the proper training you could have gotten you get a professional? Yeah? I think so.

00:53:43
Speaker 4: I mean I think that, like, you know, there's a lot of factors.

00:53:46
Speaker 1: I mean, one is injury, and there's not much no matter how great you are, there's not a lot you can do about injuries obviously, but I don't know. I just I'm a very, very driven and ambitious person and nothing fuels me more than someone thinking I can't do something. Yeah, and I'm just very competitive, So I like to believe I would I would.

00:54:06
Speaker 4: Have figured it out.

00:54:07
Speaker 2: I admire that about you just fifty minutes that we've been here, Like, I really admire that because I can just see it in different parts of your life. But you know, that same energy, that same dedication, it's just insert something else. Well, I got hurt here, I can't do this. Let me find my next passion, and I'm going to put equally as much time and effort and energy into it.

00:54:30
Speaker 1: Well, I think that, Like I get a lot of that from my dad, you know. And he was just kind of the kind of guy was like, well, if you're going to do it, don't do it half assed.

00:54:37
Speaker 2: I imagine he was like he had to be right to be I mean, great of an athlete.

00:54:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great athlete. Business owner, boat builds.

00:54:44
Speaker 2: Boats and like hog ainny ones even.

00:54:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, he plays guitar a little bit too. Yeah, he's pretty bad.

00:54:48
Speaker 2: When did you start playing guitar? Was with the first after the car Wreck.

00:54:52
Speaker 1: I didn't really start. I kind of messed around with it a little bit in high school. But the band that I played in in high school, I didn't play guitar. I just SA So I never actually got really serious about guitar until I was in the bluegrass band, because I mean I'd already been playing, and I was like self taught, and I learned some like covers or whatever, and written a little bit. But when I met Sam, he was a great guitar player, and he basically when we started writing songs together, he would just write guitar parts that were, like he knew were above my skill set because he knew I would rather die than admit that I couldn't play them, and I would go sit there and play untill I had blisters on my fingers and figured it out.

00:55:27
Speaker 4: So again I'm grateful to him for that.

00:55:30
Speaker 2: What is success to you now?

00:55:34
Speaker 4: Like, what do I see as like the ultimate success or?

00:55:37
Speaker 2: Like I'm not pinpointing, You're not gonna imagine. I'm just asking the question, and I just want to see where your head goes, Like what's what's your definition of success?

00:55:44
Speaker 4: Okay?

00:55:45
Speaker 1: So I mean right now, currently, in this moment, I feel very successful because I just made a record that I love. It's exactly the record I wanted to make, and I'm on the right and I'm touring, I'm doing this podcast, I'm doing a lot of I'm living in a lot of one day.

00:56:05
Speaker 4: I hope this happens moments.

00:56:07
Speaker 1: So I think that's amazing, and I'm trying to get better at living in the current successes as opposed to just always thinking about the next. But in the bigger picture, for me, success is that I can sell a lot of tickets for as long as I want to be on a stage. I mean, obviously I'm going to work for awards and radio number ones and all of that, but there's just nothing more fulfilling to me than a sold out crowd and a big stage. I love performing, so yeah, so if I can be selling out stadiums one day, that's success. But if it's not stadiums, it's still going to be great.

00:56:45
Speaker 4: But I'm going to aim for that.

00:56:47
Speaker 2: Are you neurotic if you're doing a Megan Patrick show? Are you neurotic about ticket sales when they go on ticket sales right before the show? Or are you like it is what it is? I'm going to go just attack whatever.

00:56:58
Speaker 1: At that point, it is what it is, because is getting nervous and neurotic is only going to affect my show. And I can't be thinking about the people that didn't buy tickets while the people who did buy tickets are sitting there expecting a show.

00:57:09
Speaker 2: So good for you. I can't do that.

00:57:14
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying that's what I tell myself.

00:57:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you. I was with Jordan Davis probably a week or so ago, and we were we were playing golf actually, and his tickets were going on Selle for his tour because he's doing bigger venues, he's doing amphitheaters, and I was like, oh, tickets just went on sale, like they literally just went up like noon on that Friday. We were together and I was like a little nervous, and he'd was like, well, I said, hey, you can tell me because I'm I do theaters and I look at every single sit like a log on and he's like yeah, he said, I am, and I think, and we kind of bonded over that moment because it's I think I get nervous and eurotic because I don't want I guess I value too much that people buying tickets or not buying tickets is reflective of health, your value, how valuable I am. Yeah, And so when nobody buys, I'm like, well, I guess I suck and I'm not. And I think that that's just that's just the stuff I have to work on on me. But I think a lot of us deal with that. But I feel like I like your answer better than I'm just start using that one.

00:58:22
Speaker 1: Like, I think, like a lot of that is just I mean, there's a million things in like metrics in this industry that we use to like measure artist's value, you know, and some of them are good metrics and some of them aren't. And I mean, at the end of the day, like look when I did my first headlining tour in Canada, I was doing theaters, and yeah, I was terrified.

00:58:42
Speaker 4: I had nightmares all the time of like walking out on stage and there was no one in the crowd. And we ended up doing great. We had some sold out shows, some close to sold out shows. I mean, it was incredible, But.

00:58:54
Speaker 1: You know, I just have to remind myself of like I just don't see the value in letting something like destroy your sense of worth or or make you depress about it, because to me, that's just affecting your work ethic. You could just be looking at it like, Okay, so I didn't do what this hoped it would do. So now I can sit and address why that happened, and I'm gonna just do better next time and just use it as a motivator as opposed to letting it like bring you down.

00:59:19
Speaker 4: I just I just think that's like not helpful. I'll make your general energy.

00:59:24
Speaker 2: All that sounds good and I wish.

00:59:26
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell myself this all the time. You don't always feel that way, but you just yeah, you just gotta find a way to keep pushing through.

00:59:33
Speaker 2: Did you write today?

00:59:35
Speaker 4: I did not write today.

00:59:35
Speaker 2: What did you do today? How was your day today?

00:59:37
Speaker 4: I just got up and worked out and started packing for Key.

00:59:41
Speaker 2: West Big The Big Writers is the songwriter festival.

00:59:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll be there.

00:59:46
Speaker 1: Mitchell and I get to go together, which will be fun. And then I'm headed to Chicago. I'm headlining the Whiskey Jam stage at the Luke homb Show the tailgate party.

00:59:55
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's going to be a good, good week.

00:59:57
Speaker 2: When do you leave for that.

00:59:59
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna to leave from Key West on Friday.

01:00:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when do you leave to Key West?

01:00:03
Speaker 4: Did you say tomorrow? Yeah?

01:00:05
Speaker 2: And you're excited about that?

01:00:06
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love key West. It's kind of like where Mitchell and I really sort of fell in love. It was the first time.

01:00:11
Speaker 1: It was the first trip we ever took together after we had like technically been dating for months but had barely seen each other because I'd been on tour. So it was the first time we spent like a full week together and it was awesome. I also just made some of my best friends that week, to Jordan Rager, who's my my manager's husband and a great songwriter, and Michael Whitworth. We wrote my song Wild is Me, which was about Mitchell, and they actually just surprised me at the Opry and it was my first gold record as an artist.

01:00:39
Speaker 2: Congratulations.

01:00:40
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a special place.

01:00:41
Speaker 2: You also just it was your first Opry performance too.

01:00:44
Speaker 4: Right, Deut Yeah?

01:00:45
Speaker 2: Last month? Yeah, how'd that go?

01:00:47
Speaker 1: It's still hard to put into words how incredible that night was. And I think, well, like I think going back to our conversation about you know, coming here as a Canadian and kind of like starting all over again. To me, that is it's like the ultimate yes from the industry, from country music, from Nashville. Like that felt like after years and years and years of trying to just like claw my way through, finally they said, hey, we see you, we accept you.

01:01:13
Speaker 4: We want you to play this stage.

01:01:16
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just it was just an amazing night with all the people that helped me get there. I had a lot of people that came in from back home, and a lot of my friends and co writers and stuff were there, and I just felt so loved and it was just an incredible moment because the last couple of years have been the most challenging and frustrating, depressing years of my life and career, to be honest, and it was the first time in my life that I actually allowed myself to consider that maybe I couldn't do this, that maybe I didn't have what it takes.

01:01:49
Speaker 4: And it kind of broke me for a second.

01:01:51
Speaker 1: And then you know, I decided that that was crazy, and like, what else was I going to do besides music? And I just started focusing on writing and just writing the songs that I wanted to write and trying to figure out what my next step was and my manager Randy, when she came into the picture. For me, that was a huge catalyst because I really finally had someone that believed in me and understood me and had the courage to take the path that I wanted to take and do things the way I wanted to do it. And it just gave me a little extra fuel to just keep pushing. And then next thing I know, I'm playing the Opry and it was like, this is why, this is why you stay, and this is why you keep working. When you think you can't work anymore, and when you think it's not going to happen, that's when a lot of people give up.

01:02:36
Speaker 4: And you got to be the one that doesn't give up. That's how you end up playing the Opry.

01:02:40
Speaker 2: Final two questions, Why didn't you give up?

01:02:45
Speaker 4: I wouldn't never, like I could have never. I don't give up. I just don't.

01:02:50
Speaker 1: And it's just not it's not in my DNA. And it also was just like I mean there, I don't exist like without music. It's such an integral part of like who I am.

01:02:59
Speaker 4: I love me.

01:03:00
Speaker 1: I think about it all day every day, think about songs all day every day. I've never been happier or felt more myself than in those moments on stage when I'm playing for a crowd singing songs that I wrote, like, there's just there's absolutely nothing I don't think I could ever find that would feel like that, So it would just I mean, I would just be miserable.

01:03:18
Speaker 2: Best concert you ever you've ever been to?

01:03:21
Speaker 4: Oh, that's so hard.

01:03:25
Speaker 2: Can't be a festival. Okay, that's like a greatest hits album.

01:03:28
Speaker 4: That's tough. Yeah, because I was gonna say some of the shows, some of the artists that I saw.

01:03:31
Speaker 2: At Bonner, that's like going counting Crow's greatest Hits, no Loser kicking the album, best single concert you have ever been to? Then there has to be no specific reasons. Have to sound the best it could. Okay, an experience you had.

01:03:46
Speaker 1: I saw No Doubt play like a long time ago when I was like younger, and I would say that because Gwen Stefani is amazing and it was the first time I ever saw a female artist not only like be a great singer, but like an entertainer.

01:04:01
Speaker 4: I mean, she was all over that stage.

01:04:02
Speaker 1: Her energy was crazy, she looked so cool, like her voice was like she was just amazing and so that was like a catalyst for me being like I want to be her, I want to do that.

01:04:11
Speaker 2: So yeah, I saw Bush once when I was young and it was awesome. And then you know they're planning breathe in, breathe on Glassereene whatever. What I remembered about it though, And I never remember the band name, it didn't for a while, but they had some There was this crazy opening act they had for them, and this lead singer was like climbing stuff and was still able to like sing even though that, and it was no doubt. It was what's so funny because they end up getting married, right, Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, And so that was Bush's opening act. Wow, And I remember I was like, I think it was like doubting yourself for something I saw my friends, but it was no doubt and it was an amazing show. Yeah awesoy is Yeah. All right, well look we've done an hour. They could do another half. Congratulations, thank you on. I liked your answer about why you didn't give up because I don't give either.

01:05:00
Speaker 4: It's not I feel like I should, but well I can I give up on like shitty men. That's what you should think you should give up.

01:05:07
Speaker 2: On you give crappy men as well. Now I just have good ones Mike and Read.

01:05:12
Speaker 1: And that's it.

01:05:13
Speaker 2: Those only two men. Here's what I want to say. You guys, go follow Meghan Meghan Patrick music. But there's an age in Meghan Patrick music. So it's M E.

01:05:22
Speaker 1: G H A N.

01:05:23
Speaker 2: And I really like how you're doing this.

01:05:26
Speaker 1: Thank you, you know.

01:05:27
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying that.

01:05:28
Speaker 4: Because I know you wouldn't just say it.

01:05:30
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. And I've also taken your songs and placed them in things just to go thank you, like I like it, respect it, thank you. I like what you're doing. I like how you're doing it. And so I mean, if I just said that but hadn't shown anything, you could say like, well, why don't you show me? But yeah, just you're not gonna not make it because you're not gonna stop.

01:05:49
Speaker 4: That's that's pretty much it.

01:05:52
Speaker 1: That's the only way you guarantee success, honestly, is that you just agree that you're never gonna stop.

01:05:56
Speaker 2: Don't quit.

01:05:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, just don't quit.

01:05:58
Speaker 2: Don't quit. Congratulations, good luck you know out with the Loot deal and the Rider deal and all the deals you got and your manager seems cool. She seems like of a dealer brought up eight times. But also right there, Randy, you're sitting right.

01:06:12
Speaker 1: You got to give credit where credits due. I would still talk about her if she wasn't here.

01:06:15
Speaker 2: So congratulations and everything. Thank you, and you guys check it out. We talked about it before the show started here. But the Greatest Show on Dirt EP it is out now. The first single was She's No Good for Me? But what is it? Is the Greatest Show on Dirt? The single now what is there? A single?

01:06:29
Speaker 1: The Greatest Show on Dirt came out with the pre save and I think we're kind of flipping focus to red roses and red flags.

01:06:36
Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, can you play a little bit of that? All right? Here we go. That's good.

01:06:43
Speaker 3: That's good, that's good.

01:06:47
Speaker 1: That's a really it's probably my favorite maybe my favorite song. It's my favorite song to play live for sure. We actually, I'm going to just toot my own horn for a second. We did get a standing ovation at the Opry for this song.

01:06:58
Speaker 2: That's just a cool, that's just good. These red roses might as well be ready.

01:07:01
Speaker 1: Well, my many failed relationships with toxic men led me to this, so thanks.

01:07:05
Speaker 2: I wrote a whole book on failure.

01:07:07
Speaker 4: Totally Taylor swifted them, you know, I.

01:07:08
Speaker 2: Mean, you show them all right, you guys following Megan, Meghan, good to see you. And that's it for this week.

01:07:15
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.