Collaborate, Connect, Collect: Advance Your Career with the 3 Cs

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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are two working parents who love our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. We want you to get the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and seventy eight, first airing at the end of November twenty twenty two. Sarah and I are here in a hotel room in the Florida Keys, enjoying each other's company. Just like last week's episode, we will be doing this one to gather in person, which is very exciting. This week, we're going to be covering three SE's to advance your career in twenty twenty three. Three s's standing for three things, which we will reveal in the course of this episode. But first you know what, We'll be doing a year in review episode in a few weeks that we'll be talking about how twenty twenty two went. We will also be doing a goals episode talking about what we are aiming for in twenty twenty three, but Sarah, I thought we'd start by talking about career goals we have set in the past that we have actually achieved. So what have you what have you done? Yeah, work is always, as we'll talk about in our goals episodes. It's always one of my categories and a common theme in my work. Goal is to do some kind of poster presentation or project to present that at Pediatric Indocrine Society, which is one of our bigger meetings, the one that I like to go to. I don't have a requirement where I work that I have to present if I want to attend, I'm able to go either way. But it's just a lot more fun when I'm able to showcase some research, usually done together with one of our residents. So the last couple of years that's been a goal for me, and yeah, I think the last two years running, I did have a poster there with a resident, which was really fun. When you say a poster, can you describe what that is? I mean, I just have this vision in my mind of like fourth grade science fair posters, and I assume it's a little bit more sophisticated than that. You haven't seen it. Oh that's so interesting. It's like, okay, so at scientific conferences there are poster sessions, and it does sort of look like a fourth grade science poster, except they're much larger and people use templates for them, and it's basically like a paper presented in miniature form. So they'll be an abstract, there'll be a section for you to put graphics. If it's a case study, maybe you'll have some relevant photos or things like that, and then some kind of conclusion in references, so it's kind of like a mini paper. It does look like a souped up version of a sixth grade science fair, but you get them printed usually like at a print shop or like there's online venues on these big pieces of paper, so it's a little bit more professional than like gluing things up by yourself. I have been at some Internet national meetings where people would present some very good research from countries that are not as resource rich, and sometimes they are kind of old school in terms of how they put this stuff up, but the quality has nothing to do with how pretty it looks. Although I do like it to look pretty, it has more to do with what's actually on there. So when you have a poster session, you stand next to your poster and people mill around, they look at it. If they think it's interesting, they'll stop and look at it and maybe ask you some questions or ask you to kind of take them through your poster. I, as a faculty member, no longer really have to be in the hot seat. I would have a resident there who can explain what's in there, and then I'm kind of there as backup. The research I do is generally much smaller scale the what I used to do as a fellow, just because I'm not at a big academic institution. But we did actually do like an actual like retrospective study where we had data and my resident represented I actually couldn't even I didn't even make it to that one. She did it on her own, but it still counts because we did the work together. That's funny. I'd say I've presented, I've spoken to a lot of groups of medical and scientific professionals, but I guess I've never wandered around looking at posters, So that's kind of fun to think about. Yeah, so I would say a professional goal I had in the past. Longtime listeners readers know that I started tracking my time continuously in the spring of twenty fifteen, and my goal had been to go for a year, which I did. I've now continued tracking for seven and a half years. It doesn't take much time or effort, so I just keep going with it. But when I tracked for the first year, my goal had been to write about it somewhere interesting, right, But I undertook this project thinking maybe I could, and a couple of wonderful coincidences happened that I wound up writing about it for the New York Times. The essay ran in their weekend section, and that was really cool because I got some notice by lots of people, among them the organizers of the TED Women conference in twenty sixteen, which is how I wound up giving my TED talk, which has led to a lot of opportunities as well. So that was a pretty cool goal coming true kind of moment for me. But we know our listeners are going to have all sorts of incredible goals for twenty twenty three. But we want to suggest three categories that you might think about using as you look toward your goals for the next year, that might inspire you to set some cool ideas. So the first C, the first of the three c's, is to collaborate. Was I supposed to say that at the same time you were, Yeah, I mean we are the same place. I guess we could. That would have been cool'd we didn't plan on it. Oh well, all right, talk about collaboration, all right, So yeah, we came up with these. I think we started with collaborate. I think it's a great one because most of the bigger or more fun work goals are going to be more achievable and more interesting if you were doing them with someone else. And sometimes it's helpful to think about the person you're excited to work with first and then let the project evolve from there. Now you are listening to a collaboration right now. In twenty six seventeen, I said I wanted to start a podcast. Laura said she was interested, and I know, I don't think this show would be what it is without either of us, Like it's the combination that has brought it to what it is. And I think that is so true of so many different types of projects that may relate to your work life as well. Yeah, so the idea behind collaboration is to choose someone interesting and then do some sort of project with them over the course of the next year. And usually you know, we are thinking project like it's a discrete, achievable kind of thing that you will do, whether in our case it was launching a podcast together, or it could be you know, doing a poster session together with someone that you will be doing that, or co authoring an article for something, whether that be an academic journal type article or you know in the popular press, or you know something for an industry journal or an industry website or what have you. Lots of things you could do. You can for conference, right, there's lots of collaborations, yes, for conferences, and for certainly like for scientific papers these days, academic projects not like a small poster, you know, like the one I described above, but big papers can have twenty or forty or more co authors. So if you have some kind of idea, don't hesitate to reach out to those in adjacent fields or other fields and see if they might be interested in doing it with you. You'll probably have a lot more success than you would in a vacuum. Yeah, but it doesn't even have to be specifically related to the subset. I mean, it could be the substance of the work. But I'll see, like you could if you have a friend at work, you could collaborate on having some sort of brown bag lunch sessions together, like the three you know three friends you each teached about something over the course of three weeks. On Mondays, people gather to talk to and that would be a discreete project that you have done to gather. If you are in the sort of field where you build up your own audience, so people who are you know, bloggers or podcasters or you know, speakers or writers or artists of any sort, anyone who's who's got their own thing that they're doing. In building up an audience, you can often combine with somebody else to market something to both of your audiences. So the two of you team up and do, say, you know, a Facebook live session to gather or any of the other social media platforms Instagram Live that they have that as well, and just even recording a conversation allows the two of you to feed ideas off each other and also reach each other's audiences and likely grow a little bit more with that. Yeah, you can imagine kind of an analogeous thing, except the instead of two podcasts, you're bringing together. I don't know too, like divisions at a in a corporate environment, to help each other understand what the other does to maybe mutually benefit both sides. Yeah, or it could be something non workish. I mean, you know, we can collaborate on projects in our personal lives too, that, you know, even if it's not directly work related, can often give us new ideas as well. So, you know, maybe teaming up with someone to go do a career day presentation at you know, kids' schools, for instance, or a project of bringing a neighborhood group to do something. I had lots of different things you could do, So that was the first C. The first seat is to collaborate. The second C is to connect. So this is related to collaborating. I think of collaborating as more like choosing a person or two, but choosing somebody and doing a discreete project together. I think of connecting more as challenging yourself to stage some sort of gathering, whether it be a one off one or a continuing one in the course of the next year, so you've done some of this, Sarah. I love connect I mean it suits my nature and one of my absolute favorite things. Oddly, we're talking about going to conferences a lot, which I don't even do that much, but when I go, connecting is a big priority for me in that I like to meet up with all the people that I trained with, like all of the fellows that I trained with at Duke, being able to get together on a more casual like for dinner or something like that and compare notes about how it's going. I learn so much from those interactions. Plus they're just so much fun, Like you realize you're not doing this alone and that like something that felt so hard is something that other people are dealing with as well, and it's just it's just so rewarding on many many levels. So I love connecting in that way, and I also really enjoy just getting to know my colleagues better, like making sure that we do lunch dates ever so often, making sure that I get to know the members of my staff and like what their families are like and you know what they want in life, and just making sure that you are in touch with the human side of people that you work with. They're not just titles with roles. They're people. They can be maybe a different kind of friendship, but it's still a valuable kind of friendship and relationship to me. Yeah, that definitely makes work a lot more fun if you don't have colleagues per se. I mean I have many people I work with, but not as part of a big organization. But there are people who do similar things to you, or who do related adjacent things to you, who might have helpful ideas. So a couple of years ago, me and a few other people started a writer's strategy group that there are five of us now who we intend at least to gather every month. Some months, it hasn't over the summer. We tend to take a break, but gather by zoom once a month to talk through various issues. And the idea is that each of us presents a problem each time and then for twelve minutes or so we all talk through it. You know, what are people's ideas, what are their suggestions, what have they seen other people do? And it's all people who are working professionally in the writers sace, who publish multiple books. But we are fine on the writing part, Like we're not a lot of like writing groups sort of like you're critiquing each other's manuscripts. We don't do that, like we're not you know, your manuscript's great, it's being commercially published, like you're good. It's more about how should I market this thing? Or if I've created these videos, what should I do with them? Or you know, have this question about you know, an agent or an editor, or how I should deal with these revisions if it's a tricky issue, you know. So it's very helpful to have people who are going through the same thing. Some people form like mastermind groups. Often these are people in maybe even different industries, but you're about the same level, and you could gather in person to talk through various problems you might have. But these can just speak a great way to have a core group of folks who are kind of in your corner that you know them really well, you know what they are going through, and to gather you can achieve great things. Yeah, sometimes just talking through challenges with someone who does something kind of like what you do but not exactly can be incredibly helpful. And some people also really benefit from the accountability aspect, like if you set a goal together like I have one friend that I do like monthly phone calls with now and she's a fellow podcaster and she's awesome. I'll let her be anonymous. It's not Laura though, because I talked to her more often than that. No anyway, So it's great because we like set goals and then we'll say Okay, by the next time we talk, I hope to have done this, this and this, and it just it kind of adds a little bit of fun and a little bit of sometimes needed like lights of fire, I guess lights a fire. We're going to take a quick ad break and then we'll be talking a little bit more about connecting. Well, we are back talking about the three c's to advance your career in twenty twenty three. The first one was to collaborate, So find somebody cool, do a project with them, just like this podcast being a collaboration between the two of us. The second sea is to connect. Stage some sort of gathering, whether that be a regular one or one off or something with people that you find fascinating that you can all get to know each other better. I would throw out the idea of you know, having some sort of party. Parties are great and even if it's in your personal life, like these things wind up. You know, nobody is just personal or just professional. I mean you if you have any sort of business in your community, like you get to know people like who you know if you're a real estate agent, like, they're gonna be people who need houses. And let's like maybe you know people who come to your open house have a friend two years later who need their household, or you know, it's just the more people you know, the better off you are. And a party is a great way to not only bring people to you and they enjoy the time that they're spending together, but you can reach out to a ton of other people. Even if they aren't going to attend or they can't or whatever. They they have the sense that they're connected to you now and that that tends to want to be reciprocated. I'm sure you've experienced it absolutely and no spoilers or anything, but I definitely have throwing a party in our house that we now own as a goal for a future list. I think it's just yeah, it's such a great opportunity. And you can do work related parties, you can do neighborhood parties, you can do you know other parents at school, and it's you know, it's really fun and it's also networking, so you just win all around when all around, Yeah, and just thinking through who you would invite forces you to think through sort of local acquaintances, right, and that is a good experience because I don't know, I mean, some people's brains are definitely better organized that way, but many of us don't have a perfect sort of Rolodex system in our brains. That it's just it's good to be reminded of all the people you know who might be interested in X, Y or Z. We just lost every listener under the age of thirty five. They're like, what is this rolodex thing of which you speak? I don't know anything other than phones in my contacts, contacts in my phone list. So okay, fine, do you have a rolodex. I do not have a rolodex, and I never did. But like, yeh, seeing them, I've seen them. I'm aware that they want other people's desks. Usually they have gray hair. Yeah, if you're still in someone's desk, it's like someone open. But I'm really I'm always hilarious finding how many people don't know what CC actually means is it not carbon copy? It's carbon copy? You knew that. You knew that, nervous well, but you and I are the the you know age where you have We had typewriters back in the day, even if they were transitioning out of them. But you know, people had to create a carbon copy of something, which, curiously enough, you know the ten ninety nine's have anyway, Well, yeah, they're still you have to pressure pen do on really hard. Okay, moving on number three, number three, collect Oh, this is the year that you are going to make more money in part out of necessity because well, maybe we have some overseas listeners who are not experiencing inflation and awesome, but in this country we have had major inflation, and who knows where that's going. I don't think we would deign to make any predictions on this particular podcast. I definitely don't have that expertise to do so. But I will tell you that our money right now is certainly worth less, and you want less dollars than it was than the same amount was worth in twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, let's say so. Keeping that in mind, it's a really good time and an important time to look and make sure that your compensation is keeping up with that. Also kind of the job marketplace being the way it is right now. Again, this could change by the time this airs. I don't even know. But in certain career paths, it's also a nice time to ask for a raise because you know they may be offering higher amounts to people that they're looking to hire right now, for example, just to make sure that they are getting appropriate people on staff. So just make sure you look at that and think about it, and potentially you have a key meeting at your evaluation to discuss how you know how well your compensation has kept up with that and if not, asking pivotal questions like what could I do, what could I accomplish for this organization that in six months or whatever time frame you choose, would warrant that ten percent raise or fifteen percent raise that would help your compensation keep up with costs. Yeah, I mean you should feel free to go ahead and ask right like, there's nothing wrong with asking for a raise, and particularly in this environment. You will not be the first person to have brought this up. But if your organization is in a position where they aren't necessarily handing out raises at the moment. That's that's when you can pivot to that conversation of I would like to revisit this in six months, and what would you like to have seen me do in the next six months that we could have me then earning X, whatever X is that you have determined is sort of the fair market value if you are to go out and find a different job, which is also something you could consider. I know there's a lot of turmoil involved in changing jobs, and particularly if you've been somewhere for a while and are very comfortable with it, but there's some pretty good evidence that people who do change jobs wind up earning more that that is actually one of the ways that people do boost their salary over time. And that's too bad that that is what happens. But I mean, we're all human. We tend not to necessarily be like, oh, yes, I should make sure that all my employees are currently compensated and exactly what I would hire people to replace them at. It's just not the sort of thing that people do. Wages tend to be stickier than that, and on the employee angle, when you develop connections, you're not necessarily like I will change jobs exactly every five years to maximize my return. Because you may like working at a certain company with the people you're working for and with, but you know, we have to also remind you that if you're not getting paid fairly, it is a job, and you probably need to make sure that you're at least within the range of acceptable compensation. No relationship can fully fully make up for really bad underpayment. Yeah. Now, of course, compensation isn't only the amount of money you are getting paid, as in like the actual currency that is in your take home paycheck. There are other things that are usually part of the compensation. You know, this would be a good time to visit some of that, right, Yes, make sure you are collecting your benefits. And you know, I've worked for mostly one organization and there are a ton of benefits offered where I work, and I'm sure at many similar places and probably certain types of companies offer even more amazing benefits. So paid leave is a benefit that some places offer, and you want to make sure that if that's something you want to do, that you are you are taking advantage of that. Make sure you also look at whether there is a use it or lose it situation because sometimes you got to use up those days in order to not leave them by the wayside. Professional development. So in the medical realm that might be CME money. You also might want to make sure it may be over a certain amount of time per the year. And depending on you know, whether your travels were limited during COVID, your year maybe coming to a close and maybe you didn't go anywhere, So maybe there's some kind of online learning that you could pay for now using last year's money, if there's if it's too late to travel, mental healthcare, backup childcare, all that stuff. You know. Sometimes benefits may be available but not obvious, like you know, they're not going to email you every week and say, remember you know you you put aside money and you're in your FSA or you have X number of backup childcare days. You have to keep track of them as someone who might utilize them. But if you need that stuff and it's part of your benefits, just make sure you are collecting on that because it is kind of part of your overall compensation package. Yeah, I definitely want to make sure you use that. We actually used a couple backup childcare days this summer that it turned out my husband has a fairly significant number of backup childcare days available to him, and so when we needed that this summer for a while, we were able to use a couple of days at Bright Horizons. That's a pretty common one that a lot of major companies pay for a certain number of backup days there. But in addition to that, like Bright Horizons doesn't have infinite number of spaces and say they're toddler class. So some days we got it and some days we didn't. But they actually paid to have a nanny come to us, like through an agency. They had somebody come. And you know, again I wasn't really going to be comfortable with, you know, leaving my kid with somebody I didn't know very well if I was then going to like go to New York for the day. But since I was working from home, I had like a ton of recordings that day, I was like, I need to do these, and he wanted to work as well, and so we were able to have that, and you know, it was a very wonderful caregiver that they sent us for that. So you know, really really look into those options as well. There may be things you need to do to use them. But this can be your public service announcement to go look into your company's benefits, whatever those happen to be, because sometimes there are entirely random ones and I'm not saying that you're going to use all of them. But maybe you have a corporate membership to a local art museum and you haven't even thought, like nobody put this like as you're saying, they don't email you every week about this, so you know, but why not take your family for free as like afternoon activity someday and don't forget about matches. So obviously this isn't every company that offer this, but many. If you are putting aside money in your four one K or four or three B, they'll match up to a certain amount and that is literally free money that you are collecting. So just make sure you are taking full advantage of any match programs that are offered at your institution. Now I'm going to go and do ahead and do a little shout out for folks who are not at companies. I'm like, wow, the idea of a retirement match sounds kind of exciting. I have never had a job where that would be remotely but it's fine because it turns out the limits for self employed four one ks are far higher, so it's kind of exciting to have that available to you as well. But if you are working for yourself, how do you earn more over the next year. Well, a couple of things you can do. I mean, some of this is about the time you put in that. Marketing is an investment, and you can carve out time to do it. Marketing is always one of those things that people who run their own businesses, work for themselves know we should be doing and do not do nearly enough of. I'm well aware of that in my world that I sort of have chronically underinvested in that. But just saying, okay, I'm going to do let's say, two hours every Thursday afternoon on marketing, I am going to think about what things I could offer the world, think about who I could offer them to, think about what they would pay. Sometimes it's very easy to scale something up, you know. Maybe it's just that you offer a course and maybe you just need to raise the rates a tiny little bit and it's not enough that people are going to turn it away, or maybe you have you know, an oversubscribed situation for it. Anyway, but then that's just money straight to the bottom line that you then got. It might be that you just make a habit of reaching out to people, particularly to old clients. I mean, it's a great idea just to remind those people that you exist, because again, most of our brain's not the roleodexis. So they loved you, but you know, they haven't seen you in two years. Don't remember that you are on this planet until you remind them. But I know I have reached out to people when I've seen that they've gotten a new job somewhere that like editors I've worked with in the past, and I would say the odds that the person then writes me back and is often like, would you be interested in writing for this place has been fairly high. So whatever that looks like in your particular industry. Yes, you just want to be a force for good in the world. That you congratulate people on anything that goes right, but it often winds up being, you know, something that helps you bring in more business in the future as well. Makes total sense. So for our love of oh should we do love of the weaker? Question? Which one are we doing for us? I'm going to have to come up with the love of the week. Your well no, okay, Well why don't we do our question then, because this was one that we got which a listener who lives in an apartment and has many children asked us about having people over. So she is, you know, living her best life, lots of great things going on with her career and her family. She would like to expand her social circle, have those parties we were talking about, have friends over for dinner, whatever it is. She is concerned that her apartment is always a mess because there are many children in this apartment, not a whole lot of space, so she feels bad about inviting people over. So do we have any suggestions for her? So, before I knew this was an apartment, I was like, duh, just clean one room. I mean I feel like that one room sitting there, they'll never know the difference. That is the tried and true. I mean, your house could be like a whirlwind. But if you have people over and generally say, you know, we're just going to like stay over here. The kids can go play in the messy rooms, but like we're just going to hang out here and that room looks nice, that's like, really all you need is one calm space so I guess my question I don't know, I haven't seen this person's apartment, is could you kind of extrapolate that to one corner, one area of your apartment. Maybe it's like the table and like one clear surface and you, you know, just tell your guests not to worry about the rest. I mean, my gut instinct is like, if it's somebody that's this depends on who the audience is, right, So if it's like your boss, I could see wanting to get things a little bit more on the perfection like than you know, clean clear side. But if it's someone that's your true friend and you want to hang out with, then I mean probably they have messes in their house too. And I definitely have like I feel like the closer I am to someone, the more I'm like, yes, come over our house as a disaster. And I've never felt like, even after welcoming someone into our house the first time in our house not being perfectly clean, I've never felt like that like ruined the relationship. And honestly, if it does, that probably wasn't a worth while. Yeah, I would say, like, you need to think about this from the other perspective. I mean, you may feel embarrassed for whatever reason about you know the fact that you have lots of kids and toys and kid messes in your house or whatever. But have you ever been to someone's house that is, you know, not straight out of pinterest and like judge them as a result, Like if you've been invited to a friend's house for dinner and they had kid toys on the floor, where you're like, Wow, this person, she clearly doesn't have her stuff to gather. WHOA I think less of her now? Like, I really don't think many of our listeners have that mindset, and so most likely the people that you are invoiding over don't think that way either, right, Like, that's just not how people are. We're grateful that somebody had us. We're excited about spending a night together and talking about fun stuff, like if we were able to have our kids play together in another part of the house. Like even better, like it didn't even have to hire a babysitter and got to do a you know, an evening you know with adult company. That sounds pretty awesome. The one thing I will say, you probably want to clean the bathroom, yes, but it doesn't have to be like an elaborate clean like go in there with some spray, like wipe everything down, okay, and move on, move on with your your life. But yeah, that's I think that would be the one thing that might some people might have a more visceral kind of unhappy about with an unclean bathroom which they have less control over versus like just you know, seeing kid toys on the floor or something like that. So you know, don't make it be an issue. Clean whatever bathroom or you're going to have your guests use maybe even light a nice little candle and put in the clean towels. Put your focus on that. And if that room is clean, like just don't let your kids use it for you know, whatever that day that you've been Hopefully there's more than one bathroom in this apartment. If they have multiple kids, as long as it's a two bathroom apartment, then they can all use the other bathroom for the day when you are you are having people over. But yeah, I would say our advice is have people over, don't worry so much about the mess. Yes, all right, I came up with a love of the week. All right, you go first, then interval workouts, which by the way, I got to witness this morning on our hotel treadmills that it is, especially on the treadmill, it is so much more fun to do intervals than it is to do in general. But I gotta say, and just like, as I'm in sort of a running obsession phase, like the best workouts are the ones where you have to do some specific set of intervals because they go by so fast and they're challenging, and running fast is pretty exhilarating. Makes you feel younger than you actually are, perhaps for brief moments in time. So just really enjoy those types of workouts. Yeah, whatever Sarah was doing was pretty intense this morning. It went on for quite a while. I was like, it was complicated, it is good. I left it some weights and then left and I was like, I'm a showered, I have my coffee, and then you get a text I'm done. I don't. But yeah, no, so my love of the week. Sadly, all I did was run like a you know, plotting little five k and did a few weights somewhat half hearted late, and then was out of there. But I had a lovely little bit of espresso on my porch here in this particular hotel that they have these espresso machines in the room, which are great. I know often hotels have like those K cup type coffee. This is similar, only it's with espresso pods and it's better. It's better, And I'm kind of liking the espresso concept in general. I mean, I love coffee, but you drink a lot of coffee, You're running to the bathroom all morning, whereas espresso there's just less liquid involved, less volume, which you know, you get the caffeine, but without the same need. And I like the phone, the phone, the phone. Well there you go. All right, Well this has been best of both worlds. We've been talking about the three c's for advancing your career in twenty twenty three. We hope everyone will give these a try. If you're thinking about goals you might set in the upcoming year, First to collaborate, So choose someone cool, start a project together, like hey, launching a podcast. Connect so stage some sort of gathering or get together with people that you find interesting, colleagues or people in an adjacent field, whether that's starting like a strategy group or a mastermind group, or you know, just having a people get together for a party or having a recurring sort of, you know, launch group at your office. All of those are great ideas, but be the person to start it. Lots of people want to have these things, they don't necessarily want to be the person to start them. But you know, our listeners are ambitious and productive people, so if anyone's going to start it, it's going to be you. And finally, collect so think about how you can make more money in twenty twenty three. Money, of course, is not everything in this world, but it does enable a lot more choices and can make life a lot more easier, and you should be fairly compensated for all the wonderful things you are doing. So yeah, this has been best of both worlds. We will be back next week with more on making work and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more on making work and life work together.