#320 - Jo Dee Messina on Her Two Major Hits That You’d Be Surprised NEVER Went No. 1 + Taking a Chance on Rascal Flatts As An Opening Act + Asking Writers To Change The Lyrics to “Heads Carolina, Tails California”

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode three twenty. Jody Messina will be on a little bit. She's got a bunch of number one I mean some of the songs you'll know her from, Bye By, Here you Go. I'm all right, heads Carolina tells California, California, California, lesson and leaving. He's gonna give you a lesson and losing. She has an interesting story. She moved to Nashville, wasn't really trying music. After she moved here to try and musically got in a talent show. We'll talk about that who she took out as an opening act kind of as a flyer, and also her two major hits that weren't even number one. So Jody has seen it coming up in a little bit. But first, let's do our new music Top five, all right. At number five, Walker Hayes has a new song called you Girl, Here You Go. It's like me like girls like you Bill. So the question is, because this song is nothing country, does he just now pursue pop? Is that what this? Mike? Yeah? I think you follow it up. I think the same thing, like I could see where fancy like because of the message, because it was originally a song sent to country. It's a country song. Some people would say, well, sonically it doesn't okay, we can go through all that that that song and dance if you'd like, But the message of it is still like, hey, we don't need to do crazy fancy things to get along and have a good life. This is not a country in no way whatsoever. So how cool would it be if he couldn't make it as a country artist but made it bigger as a pop star. I mean, I could see it. That's a different different if you can make it, that's a whole different to money too. Like, I hope it does well. I'm interested to see what TikTok does as well. Meaning since he's a TikTok artist, do they naturally support him, because they have even said that there are certain songs that if you use they will amplify those videos. So is this one of the songs they choose to do that with since his first song was a TikTok song. I would hope yes, I would think because there are artists that we've over the years, not in the last couple of years, because we've kind of got off that train that we've discovered or broken and we kind of stay with them, so but like no chance that he's trying to make that a country song. I don't think so okay, but that's Walker Hayes You girl my number five Released this week at number four. Adele has a new song called easy on Me. That album comes out November nine. Here is Adele Easy on Me in case you haven't heard it yet. I was still a child. You didn't get the chance to food around. I can't wait to hear a munch people butcher this song. You hear the covers coming here, the covers coming. Oh No. Before this song was out, we knew the name of it, so I tried to guess what it would sound like. Ya do we have that cluck? Here you go? Are you easy on me? Wow? Do you love me too? Because you left? Now I'm sad and the thing? Did I want you back? Are you easy on me? Boom in the orchestra that played her version again? Same thing? That's it? Play my version again? Are you easy on me? It's pretty good? Do you love me too? Because you left? Now? I'm sad and the thing? Did I want you back? Are you easy? It's pretty good? Number three Miranda Lambert has a new song called if I was a cowboy. There's a new album from Coldplay. What's interesting to me is they said a couple of years ago they weren't gonna tour unless they could reduce their carbon footprint to zero. So if you go to the show because they are going to tour, they have a dance floor and as you dance on the dance floor, it gives the stage energy to create electricity. They're also bikes they're putting that create electricity as well. You ride the bike while they're performing wild pretty cool. If it works, it would just suck you. Prebody's lazy when you get there and not Cold plays ready to play it, but there's no Nobody wants to ride the bike and like, guys, come on, we just let us do yellow. But they have a new record today. I like Coldplay, and I say it in the way that I know a lot of people like to say they don't like Coldplay, But I like cold Play. This is their ninth album. They have a BTS feature Selena Gomez. Here is Let Somebody Go featuring Selena Gomez and Number one. Ryan Heard released his new album Pulago. Here is a new song called The Knife or the Hatchet tell the Make It You. That's my vibe. That kind of song I like cold Play with when I see those kind of songs too, orchestral Coldplay or dance Coldplay, like the anthem stuff. Yeah, not my version of Caldy. I still like Coldplay, but I like, you know, a Russia blood of the head Coldplay, and they continue to do that a little less and less each job on. But I love that version of Coldplay. But I just love sad songs. So those are my favorite five releases. There are other albums that almost made the list. For example, Jason Isabel has Georgia Blue, but it's a cover album of all artists from Georgia, and I think they're donating the money, so that's pretty cool. Kelly Clarkson has a Christmas album. We talked to her on the radio show You Can Go Hear That, but Ariana Grande, Chris Stapleton, Brett Eldridge all on that. So a lot of a lot of a lot of music album you know, the Casey Musgrave stories. Interesting. She's been deemed ineligible for the Country Album Grammy category. This is so good for her. She doesn't need something for her career, but it's so good for her career because everybody's talking about it. Nobody's a fan of every everyone's it's hard to say this. There's no artist that everyone's a fan of anymore. There's no artist that everyone knows anymore. This is is keeping her. They're not even she may not even be nominated, but now it's a controversy that she's not even allowed to be known. It's not like she was nominated and they said you can't be nominated. This is if the raging idiots are dumb Comedy Duo put it and they were like, well, you guys cannot be We should throw a fit because that's what the press is coming for. This is just free press. Yeah. And and my thing on Twitter was, as Forrest Gump said, but we modify it country as his country does. If you claim to be country when you put something out, it should be considered country. I don't think you can be te pain and an award season comes up and be like, my record was country. But if you put it out and it's listed as country and the data is country, and it's you know, when you go to Apple Music or Spotify or her radio and it shows you it's a country, that's that should be considered country. You chose that, and so I think she's kind of getting screwed over here. But what's great is all the free press she's getting for a pretty good album. It wasn't gonna win anyway. My favorite Casey album, like it, like it more than most every other album, but for her, I didn't feel like it was what I was hoping for um. But hopefully now she puts out her in your face country album next everybody off like super country country. But I think I think this is great for her because people are talking about it. Randy Travis honored by Garth Brooks Kane Brown as an Artist of the Lifetime at thet Artists of the Year. So Garth Brooks welcome Randy Travis to the stage. Pretty cool to see. It's also cool to see all the artists that still love Randy Travis. We just shot a top five things you may not know about Randy Travis the other day. Which is real name? It's not Randy Travis, he has I think like three is an odd name. Randy's real name. Then you went by Randy Ray. Then I think Merle Travis was one of his favorite artists, so then he changed it to Randy Travis, but kind of an an odd Randy Travis stories. When he was a kid, he was in trouble a lot, and so there was a in that owned a club who took him and was like, okay. I went to the judge and was like, I will be the person that's in charge of him. Don't put him in jail. And so he was like a late teenager. Maybe he ended up marrying her later they're divorced now, but ended up marrying her. But yes, so many number one songs the think about this. They asked me to host that show like three months ago. CMT called said hey, would you host the c MT Artist of the Year. And I was like that's pretty cool. I said, can I do jokes? Kind of? They were like you do whatever you want and I was like, you can let me write mow monologue, which would mean I me and you wrote him monologue. Um deuce. They're like, yeah, have at it. Had a conflict, had a contractual conflict that didn't allow me to do it. I would have loved to have done it. I said yes to doing it, and then I was then told I can't because of another obligation that I have do it, so it was very cool to be asked to do it, and I was already writing bits in my head and but then I wasn't able to do it. So they want with no host. I was gonna I was gonna roast people too, in a good way. It's gonna be a good fun roast. I was. I had it all played out of my head. So super cool for them to ask, but I wasn't able to do that. The cold Play story with the dance floor with Electricity, um, we talked about that. Let's see anything else. What's the Machine Gun Kelly story. He's in a feud with the slip Knot. Why it started? Who cares? Yeah, it started. They played the same festival at the same time, and then he dipped him while they were playing, made fun of him, and then the lead singer of slip Knot released all these things with him, like do any collaboration, so they basically hate each other. He was mad because he asked the lead singer of Slipknot to be on a song and he told him, hey, the song is not for me, but Machine Gun Kelly made it seem like he didn't want him on his album. Oh, Machine Kelly got hurt because he said no. Yeah, he got hurt because he said no, because he's like, there's a fit my vibe, not for me. Wow, I'm surprised that someone from slip knot Wot's say no to Machine Gun Kelly first of all, but good for it was him, Corey Corey Taylor. Good for Corey Taylor for going you know what, as much publicity is will probably give us, it's not for us. Yeah, so he didn't want to do the verse. Pretty cool. What do you think about Machiner Kelly? I like him that album that's totally my vibe, like the pop punk vibe, Like that is like what I grew up on. So I like his sound. Him as a person, Yeah, weird as a person. Weird, but at least it's consistent. Watching him climb a c l and hang off. Do you see him stick his legs in that pole upside down? That's did he was he attached anything? I don't think so that's stupid. Then I think he just does that. That's stupid because that law law of averages eventually gonna do enough time, something's gonna happen to you. Yeah, all right, that's it. Um, we'll talk to Jody Massina in a second, and we'll talk about Billboard top hits that have debut at number one, right, like they entered the chart at number one, So we'll do that. Um in a second, Jody, how are you? I'm good? How are you? I'm good? So most of these we do at my house because the person usually lives right down the road. You are the outlier where you don't even live in Nashville, which I forgot. You live in Georgia, right, So where like what talent are you near? You don't have to say exactly where you live, but where at are you in George? Are you over Peachtree City? About its south of Atlanta? So when you moved to Nashville did you move from I'm assuming that's where you grew up? And then when did you move back? I drew from Boston, Massachusetts? You did? How in the world did you home of country music? Yeah? How did you end up in Georgia? Then? Of all places? It's just a god thing. I really felt like he wanted me to move here. I didn't know anyone at the time, and I didn't have any family here. But I was like, Okay, if this is what you want, what was your move to Nashville trip? Like, I mean, were you Oh my gosh, just got out of high school and so I was gonna move to Nashville and get a record deal. That was my plan. I didn't realize it was everybody else's plan as well. I just I was just I think I was so naive back then that it was beneficial because I was singing in like clubs and restaurants and stuff. I started when I was aboutteen or fourteen years old. And so when I graduated high school, all my friends went out of college, and I was like, well, I'm wanted to do something about this career or um or go to school, you know. So I finished out the gigs that I had left on the books, and my brother drove me down to Nashville and left me there to find my way. And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna get a record deal. But I didn't have a clue. But that's why everyone else was in town. White gay were you doing, you know, before you moved to Nashville. Were you doing just covers? Were you singing country music? Like? Because to me, Boston now is a massive country music market. I'm up there a lot of my shows on Boston. But what was Boston like back when you were a kid. There was not a lot of country music up there. People thought I was crazy. My friends thought I was weird. There was one station and you could get it at certain times a day, and then it didn't come in, you know, during the major parts of the day. But um, I relied on a lot of records and cassettes back then. Did your family think that you were nuts for moving to Nashville, Tennessee from Boston to pursue something that it's really hard to be, uh, even to make a consistent paycheck in at that time. I mean, we didn't know. We just knew. Um, Nashville wasn't what it is today. It was you know, you could walk down Music Row and you know, actually crossed the street with no traffic. There was sidewalks in all the little publishing houses where our little houses, and um, you know, my mom just was like, Okay, you know this is what you want to do. I trust you. And my dad was like, you did to get a real job? Did you get a real job like a lot of folks have to do when you moved to Nashville? I did. I didn't sing for the first two years that I was there, Um, I had a job as a bartender, which was really bad because I never drank anything in my life, so I didn't know what was what. I didn't last long. Um I did some accounting and data entry, and it's when I started entering talent contests down there for money. Is when I started to actually get out and sing. So you moved down here to sing? But again, why did it take you so long to actually hop out and do these talent contests or anything for that matter. Well, then there was not the like Broadway like it is now. Broadway had like maybe one gig, you know. There was not a lot of places to play around town, which seems ironic because it's music city. But for a newcomer, you just had to wait for the open mic nights, so the contests and things like that. So um, the first couple of years, it was really just trying to keep a roof over my head and and get to know people. And I was pretty much kept to myself, so that was it was. It was a strange time. I guess what year was that when you moved to Nashville, kindy or maybe no ninety it was, Yeah, it's funny that you bartended and you haven't had a drink of alcohol. I also have never had a drink of alcohol, and I tried to think of myself, I have now, but at that age I didn't. Well, I still I haven't now, and I wouldn't know what the crap I was doing. I would just have to read it off a book and be like, Okay, I think this is it, because I wouldn't even taste it to make sure they did. They had the little index where you could look up stuff, but I didn't know what color they were. Someone would say, oh, it's all the don't don't quote me, everybody. I have no clue about mixed drinks, but all the all the all the clear liquor or all the dark liquor or. And I was like, okay, what's the different it's with? You know, I was just totally blind to all that. I was clueless. My drinks must have been horrible. So you're working, you're you're entering these talent contests. You win or you finish, you know enough to be in the money, and so to suddenly come up to you, you did they come to you and well, you just won? You should actually like try this somehow. No. So what happened from that point on is I won five dollars, which is like huge, it's all my monthly. My bills were for like a month and a half and so um. Along with the money, I got a chance to perform at a radio show, a live radio show. So I went up there and I performed on the live radio show, and then they kept asking to have me back, and so I became a regular on the radio show every Saturday night. It was called Live at Livy's. It was out of Daysville, Kentucky, snowhere around anymore, but that's where my producer, Byron Gallimore, heard me and called the steakhouse where it was, you know, broadcast from, and he was like, hey, you know, I'd love to talk to you about putting a demo together. So so he heard you saying on the radio you were performing from my steakhouse, called the steakhouse to get in touch with you. Or did he actually talk to you through the steakhouse phone. I think I talked to him on the phone. I got his number, I got his name. I had been promised so much by so many people. I threw it out and then I went home to see my family. Now, that was the first time I had gone home for Christmas, and so I went on to see my family. That's all I cared about. And Um. I went back Massachusetts for a couple of weeks, then came back to Esheville and I was like, maybe I should go. I guess should give that guy a call. So I researched. You know, he said he worked at Pride Music Publishing. Um So I called there and was like, hey, some guy called me before the holidays and they're like, oh, that was Byron so Um. Then I met with him and he talked about a plan on putting a demo together. He was working with a kid named Tim McGraw who had a deal. Um he had a song called Welcome to the Club at the time, anyone even remembers that song. But um, so he's working with this kid that just got a record deal, and I thought, okay, maybe he's legit. And so you guys start working together, and do you start recording immediately or does he have you going out and pursuing rights or listening to songs? How does it work before you actually make a record? Oh? Man? Um? And how long we had done a couple of showcases for people, and we're getting feedback. Remember I grew up singing live, so that was my that's my comfort zone. It's like to be on the stage, and that's I'm more comfortable there than in the studio because I don't like the sound of my my voice coming back in my ears, you know. I'm sure when you first started recording your voice and then you heard it back, You're like, I don't sound like that. So I was more comfortable on the stage that we had done a few UM showcases for and writers got ideas and would start pitching songs UM for project. And it took a long time to a couple of years maybe to put the project together there because they were after that McGraw had Oh gosh, get in Allah and then Uh, don't take the Girl, I think was right after that, and that's when everything started getting crazy. So our opportunities to get in the studio we're getting you know, pushed back a little bit because they were just crazy busy, and so that's what the time process was, UM and what the delay was in that whole situation. Your first number one here is Bye Bye Marriage. So was this your first single or was it your first single that went number one? Did you have one before this? It didn't. We're just gonna love this one. One of my teammates, Um, my first single was head to Carolina Tales California, which is which is bizarre get around by Maria. I was gonna talk about that. That's the wildest song to never go number one. Head's Carolina tells California like I can't did on some charts, like the smaller charts, but Billboard and I think are and are It's set behind my Maria forever. That is just some bad luck that two of the biggest country songs of all time are on the chart at the exact same time. They just want to kick Ronnie and Kicks in the ship and be like, hey guys, come on, let me hop up there. They were my first major tour, so no I learned a lot from them touring with them, and they were just so kind to me, and the crew was kind to me, and they they gave everybody the speech, you know when we first started, like whatever whatever they need, you know, to see to it that they haven't take care of them and we were just spoiled rotten on their tour, so no, but we did have bad luck or not bad luck, but we did have that same luck again with Lesson and Leavin and that song that's for a few years after that. Who sat at number one? That time does star Baby Amazed? Eight weeks? Eight weeks we were at number one and two. That's crazy. So let me rewind for a second. So heads Carolina tells California, um, which we still play on our show, because I mean, that song just transcends every form of music, every form of it doesn't matter. It's such a good song that thank you? Was that your first ever single? And if so, it must have felt like a rocket ship. Well here's the deal. We were done with the album and Tim Nichols, who's one of the writers on there, had called me and said, because he saw me at a showcase and he's seen me around town singing and um, he called me and said, hey, I wrote this song and I was wondering if you would listen to it. I'm like, dude, we're done, we're done with the record finally, And he's like, please, let me just leave it in your mailbox, listen to it and then let me know what you think. And so he did. He lifted the Mailbox and I was like, man, this song is really catchy. I love the chorus. I'm not crazy about the opening two lines, but I'm going to play it for my producers. And I played it for my producers and are like which is Byron Gallimore and to McGrath, and they were like, oh, man, we gotta cut this. And I was like, yeah, but I don't like the first couple of lines, and so they're like, well, ask him to change it, and I was like okay. So they did. The only studio time that was available then was on the fourth of July, so we actually cut it the fourth of July before it was released. And so as you cut it, were you already this is a single? Like in your mind? Were you cutting it to be a single? Are you cutting it just to get it on the record and see what would happen? We're cutting it to get it on the record. And then as soon as we passed the record in. As soon as we passed it in, there like okay, this would be the first single. Do you remember what the lines were that were changed? We stood have known it the day they cut that paper mill down or shut the paper mill down. Sorry, there'd be no future for us, no more in our little town. I've got people in Austin. Ain't your daddy still in the morn? And I was like, oh, and can we change Austin to Boston? People in Boston? And so yeah, so that peaks at two and then you okay, So then Bye Bye comes out? And did you feel like a little bit because Bye Bye again such a great song? Did you feel like a little bit that the chart? The chart people felt like, Okay, we need to make because she got such a raw deal with heads Carolina tells California, we need to make sure there's nothing else in the way with this one. I don't think they were aware. I think it was just the song itself. Um, I saw they pitched Emi pitched it to me. It was a phil of Asters song and they I loved it as soon as we heard it. And so and that one that I had a different first line to the opening line for that was a girly you sure look pretty. They're standing in the doorway in the sunset light. And when I sing and it's like, boy, you sure look good. They're standing in the doorway. And I remember before we cut it, Phil Bash was like, it's not a song or a girl, it's a guy's song. And so he still says that today, he's like, that's not a girls song. That was written for a guy. So but we we love each other. But he's yeah, we got Bye Bye that came out and then I'm all right, yeah, same year, I'm all right, here's here's the clip of I'm all right, clown and so I guess something new and all right. So when I'm looking back, it just kind of the timeline. So heads Carolina tells California comes out crushes, but stays it too, You're not in Kansas anymore followed that, now I'm still a top ten songs to be fair, but still a top ten song. How many singles were on that that first record? Though? Was that the one they released? It makes something of it? Was that on that album and then he'd never maybe maybe before, because I remember we were trying to buy time to get to the next album, and so we were to complete the record and that was a process back then because you had to go around, um listen to the songs, and then you had to um put a playlist together, bring it to the producers, then go through it. That cast out the things they didn't like to bring it to the label. The label would cast out things that they didn't like. Then they came down to a small list and then they'd play it for friends and see who, you know, who liked it and what people thought. And it took forever. It took forever to make a record. Well, when that second record comes out, quite the year because you also had stand Beside Me, which was a number one song as well. Yes it is written by a man. And here you go, so you gotta be feeling pretty good. You've got three number ones in a row here, and at this point, are you headlining the big shows? Now? Um, we didn't start head landing until like we were kept being an opening act and opening act, and then they're like, okay, you're gonna have to step out on your own. And so we started to step out on our own. And there was a new group that was out and I loved them, and I was like, oh my gosh, they have to be my opening and we have to find out how to get them. And people like, oh, they're not gonna last. You know, they are a bunch of young, you know, pretty boys, and they're not gonna last. And you don't want them on tour with you. And I was like, oh, but I love them so much. And that wasn't the beginning of or two thousand, because two thousand where we took Rascal Flats out with us and they for us. For me twenty three years ago, I'm all right, came out you landed your first number one twenty three years ago. This year that when it hits number one after you know, three or four songs that didn't, was it a relief, like, Hey, I finally arrived, like this second record, we knew, we leveled up, and like I have a number one, so it's game time. Did it feel like that at all? I never really had that mentality. I think my mentality was always one of gratitude. And when then you're in the midst of it, you're trying to keep up, like you have a number one song, it's like, oh my gosh, how's the next we're gonna do? Okay, We're gonna work really hard, We're gonna make it happen. We're gonna you know. It was like constantly fast moving everywhere, going everywhere and to all the radio stations and to you know, to do all the like you know, will you come play for our lunch or will you come play at this small or would you We were just chasing it constantly and so and then you look at the award shows. I told someone this the other day. I don't think people realize this, but you know, my songs were things that I wish that I could say, like I want a man a stand beside me, not in front of them behind me, because for some reason I had a tendency to date jerks, and so I love that song because it was like the strong woman I wish I was, and the same with the same thing and bye bye or I'm all right or all those songs. So the reason why people gravitated towards those songs was the same reason that I gravitated towards them all, like man, I wish that was really my heart. So you take all those songs that did well on the chart you throw in award shows. I remember people because they're very tough songs. But I wasn't tough. I was like really insecure, and I'm like I'm so ugly and I'm so gross, And so you put me into a dressing room at an award show with Faith Hill and Martina McBride and Sarah Evans and Tries, and I sat in a corner I would put my I'm like, I did not even deal worthy to be in the presence of those girls. But due to the strong songs and all the lyrics, everybody thought, oh my gosh, look how stuck up she is. And I'm like really going, oh my gosh, I can't get too close to you, like you're so beautiful like it, I don't. I can't even exist in your presence. So I would hide in a corner at the award shows, I just hide out. So I never really all that to say. I never really reached that hey I'm there, I'm so cool, I got this, I'm a big deal. I always felt grateful to be there and like, oh my gosh, I get to believe I'm she are in a dressing room with my dad. For me, you know, a lot of it comes back to c MT and back in the nineties and early two thousand's and seeing you in a music video seemingly constantly. You know, it was like you you seem to always have a big music video on. You know, I've had It's pretty cool to just be in random places and even restaurants. Here yourself pop up on TV as on a music video. Um, yeah, and then you start to sync down in your chair like, oh, nobody realizes that's me. Maybe you had a restaurant. But speaking of videos and number one songs and etcetera. We so that my first headline tour was the The Burnt album. Off that album came Bring On the Rain. Bring On the Rain, Um was already out for a while. People had already heard Ring on the Rain, and they kind of threw that out there as a single to buy time for the next record, you know, to just kind of buy some time at radio and try to keep us out there while we're making a new album. Well, dang, that thing shipped. You know what ships like two weeks or used to ship like two weeks before it's ad date. The ad date was September ten, and so we were going for ads on Monday. Then September eleventh happened, and so and this is all going back to your video, your point them out the video. But we were gonna do a video because we're like, we gotta stay present, we gotta stay out there. But we didn't have a treatment and we didn't know what to do the video on. And so right after September eleven, people were suggesting, you know, oh, you gotta make it about the Twin Towers. It has to be about you know, September eleven. That has to And I said, wait a minute. This song has been out there for a while. People already have their own story behind it, and so they're like, yes, but everybody's doing you know, September eleventh and patriotic and American, and I was like, I felt really uncomfortable trying to take that song and make it about such a tragedy because that's not why it was written in the first place. And so if you ever watched that video, there's no story depicted, no watch to bring on the rain video. I'm doing nothing but sitting and freezing cold water singing a song. Yeah that's interesting, because you know, I'm just looking at kind of the timeline to two thousand one. I mean, the song goes number one in two thousand one, but it was a September ship date. I mean, everybody was lost for for obvious reasons, just creatively, everybody was lost everywhere all the time. I mean that again, it was an odd time to be a performer. And already have something out there, and that's kind of weird they would ask you to change that even though people already had a already had the song and knew what it was about, and they had their story like, oh, my mom was suffering with cancer and this song helped me get through it. Or my brother, you know, I lost my brother in a car accident and this song helped me get through it. Or I've just been going through depression and this song helped me through it. So they already had what that song meant to them, and I was like, I can't take that from them, and just didn't seem right. I do want to talk about your live shows for a second. Um recently, I was playing a show in which Talk Kansas and they were, you know, probably three thousand people. There was a good show and a good night and one of my one of the people on our radio show is a big fan of yours, and she wanted to come out and she wanted to sing Heads Carolina, and so she comes out and she's singing and it's a big moment for her. But what I can remember is everybody's singing so loud over the top of her because that song is so beloved, Like I have to imagine that when you sing it, you can almost just say the first couple of words and everybody else just takes it away because it's it's so known and so loved. We have the in ears, so that helps me to hear my vocal. But then we also record out front, and we also sometimes will video to see, you know, how things are placed on stage and how things are working. I always laugh and I talked to the front of house guy. I'm like, I don't even know what you're doing, Like you can't hear the speakers, like it's the heads Caroline, it's lesson and leaving, it's bye bye, it stand beside me, it's I mean, there's so many songs that are so even Bring on the Rain, it's like they you start the intro with the guitar, you get off into Tomorrow's Another Day, unthirsty anyway, and then you can just stop singing. Then it's so loud. You're you're touring now. You get tickets at Jody Messina dot com because again, you have so many big songs, and I don't want you to spoil the whole set list here anything, but what in the world do you start with, Oh mean, it depends on the show and the length of time the show is. So if we are on a big festival and they give us a shorter time slot, and these days I'm going on in front of a bunch of guys, we just go out and slamming. We hit the ground running up tempo, slamming rock and rock and rock and rock and rock, and thank you good night, because we don't want to bring the crowd down again. Remember I grew up singing live, so I always had to win the crowd over when I was little, because when I was fourteen and fifteen, I was playing, and you know, restaurants and bars they could care less like drink and mingle. They weren't there to listen to music. So I try to design that to just be right to the point. It's a set of number one songs. You guys can check Jody out Jody Messina dot com. She's I got shows all the way. I mean, heck, do you have shows until July of next year. I'll say this about you too. You performed on our radio show and you are so good, like just vocally, just so pure. And we still talk about how you came in and you started singing, and we're like, well, she still sounds maybe even better than we remember. I sound like the record. Um, I think it would just sing all the time, you know. It's I don't just sing when I'm on stage. I sing at the grocery store. I sing at you know, my kids school, or I'm always singing or whistling or it's so it's never something that I get time off from. UM and I love it. And when I'm home, like you you know me, I relate in my relationship with Jesus. Like this Sunday, We're having a huge worship night at my house, so I'm leading a bunch of people all night. So I'm singing for hours on Sunday. And then I'm singing well the thing leading up to it, and I'm just right and I'm writing, so I'm singing well doing that. So I'm just constantly, constantly standing. I hope you guys go check out Jody on Instagram at Jody Messina and then again she's on tour Jody Messina dot com. I'll end with this because you know it's just wild. I think one of the clips that I am cutting from this, not not cutting, but highlighting like taking out and highlighting is the fact that two of your biggest songs we're at two because two of the other biggest songs of all time as well just happened to be out at the same time. But it's just a wild story that Lesson and Leaving and Heads Carolina were both number two songs. Because as far as country music goes, like if you were to make that list of biggest country music songs of all time, like the top hundred, like they'd be in in those charts, those categories, those shows that were made, and so the timing of that pretty terrible. But as you're an artist and you're you're established, and you start to see new artists come about, and I think about this because you mentioned Rascal Flats and I think of a Luke Combs now, uh, Sam Hunt at one point, Morgan Wall and artists they show up and just like smash and it's like wow, here they come there like a locomotion. They're they're so big, so quick. Who did you see? What you know? In the late nineties early two thousands, and Rascal Flasks can be one example where they where you were like, holy crap, they're so good and they're getting so big, so fast rhymes. It was a constom battle at the label because we were on the same label and be like, oh, she's got another record coming out, We're gonna push your single back. She was another record out and it was huge. It was like huge, you couldn't even keep up with it never I mean it was huge at the time. And she was also sixteen. When she was fourteen. Yeah, well, Jody, you are the best. Thank you for spending a little time with me. And if you hang if you guys can go see Jody on tour, I highly recommend it. Thank you, and I hope you have an awesome rest of the day and hopefully I see in person soon, I hope. So take care of Bobby, Bye bye bye. So I have a list here of Billboards top hits that have debuted at number one, meaning these are the songs that, as soon as they were out high promotion are to support it went immediately to number one. Got it rare. Only fifty seven songs have debuted on the top of the Billboard Hot one hundred out of more than number one songs. Okay, okay, I'm starting to think, like, what could these songs be? Right, here are your top top ones number one. The day was September two. Okay, he was the first ever to accomplish this when this song debuted at number one here playlist. I love this Michael Jackson song, and it never gets credit for being one of the great Michael Jackson songs. I wouldn't even put it in on top five. I forgot about you put it in top ten now that I heard it. Of course, I loved you or Not alone. Mariah Carey Fantasy number two. This is the roller Coaster video, right like this? That one, isn't it from the roller Coaster? Singing Whitney Houston XHL Shoot Shoot, Shoot Shot. This was from that movie Waiting to Excel. Right, Oh yeah. There were the number four and these are all the biggest songs to debut at number one. Mariah Carrying Boys, two Men One, Sweet Day was number one forever It's it was number one at stage number one. I felt bad for any song that came. I tried to be number one during like a three month period. Three months, Mike Man, look and see how long that song was number one, But I'm gonna guess it was over twelve weeks. You're right, because they can't predict that like other artists trying to plan, like all right, we're gonna put our song here. Three months, I bet it was over that. Wow. I would bet that it could have been as much as six months. That's crazy. I remember the video coming out and I thought, I cannot believe these two artists are to get that's the greatest thing ever. You thought that sixteen weeks, so four months unbelievable. The song was number one. Puff Daddy and Faith Evans don't play the clup yet? What song puff Daddy and Faith epens? I don't even know if Faith Evans is you don't. I mean, the only Puff Daddy I'm thinking is with Biggy, But what's about Biggie? It was about big every breath, every breath missing, same song, same sampaig Dad. What I'm gonna say. Mariah Carey Honey debut at number one, Mariah carry killing it. Yeah. I think she gets lost in the mix of greatest pop stars of all times, but she definitely is one of them. Like if you had a mount rushmore of pop stars, I think Mariah Carey, I think you put Taylor Swift on there? Now? Is it? Maybe because she's diva? Like, do people in the industry not like her so much that you have pop that doesn't matter? Yeah, because you're right, well, you don't put Mariah Carry up there. I don't know. Mariah Carey comes up to my mind when I think Christmas, and that's it. What do you think about think of Mariah Carry, Mike? I mean I think of the nineties, these songs, and then mainly for her being married to NIW Cannon. Nick Cannon comes to mind. I mean I think of Tommy Mattola more than I think of Nick Cannon. She was young. That was our first husband who was running Sony at the time. Candle in the Wind from Melton John to me, like, can Selene Dion My Heart Will go On? There's a two movie Wins in a Row, No Candle in the Winter. Marilyn Monroe slashed Princess Dot. Oh is that right? Right? The first time it was written, it was Marilyn Monroe in mind, and then he kind of changed a little bit for Princess Dot. Really didn't know that Selene Dion My Heart Will go On is Titanic? Yeah? Another movie one though, is Aerosmith. I don't want to miss a thing, and they're only number one on the Billboard Crazy Rock Legends Lauren Hill do Wop. I'm gonna play you this one, but I'm not going to tell you who it is. This one debut at number one, D three, number one with a bullet. Here you go this Wendy to All My dream It sounds like a praise and worship song. Now it doesn't any yes? Is it not? No? Who is this? Is it a praise and worship artist? I have no idea who this is. I don't think I've ever heard this song on my life. It was a debut single for this person after they won American Idol. Oh Clay Acing Clay Akin? What's that guy doing? Now? Are you still singing? I don't try to run for rof its. North Carolina didn't win that. I don't know. Okay, see if you can name this number one from two thousand four? Ye ever heard that? That? Macy Gray? No bit of vocal texture the same. It's American Idol Fantasia single after winning American Idol. People forget the cultural impact American Idol used to have. Just everybody, all the time. Carrie Underwood number thirteen, I'm going to Inside Your Heaven American idol. See if you can name this one two thousand six. Okay, this is the next time the one debut a go ahead, Yeah for sure, it's Daughtry. Now it's Taylor Hicks. I've or he want American. So look at that. We have four in a row number one, two thousand three, four or five and six, the only ones those years to debut at number one. Fantasia carry Taylor Hicks and uh Clay Can. But going with your whole thing of like hype and everything that this was the ultimate hype because the game show was leading up to these these singles. They'd sing it at the end when they won. Yeah, and what did they win? A record deal? Yeah, big one for like a year, a full deal. That it's not a record deal is only short. If you suck, they can cut you. But they assign it to like so you have them so many records, got it. It used to be record name management. It used to be, you know, quite sicky. Now not so much because they know people won't come on the show anymore if you owe them your whole life when it's over. Back when the show first started, I think you gave me your middle name. You know, the first three kids is a whole deal. Britney Spears number three. This is the name of the song two thousand nine. I remember that song but heard at the club? Is the club? Come on, man, Eminem not afraid Kesha. We are who we are. Kesha has a new show coming out where she goes and hunts and ghosts, and about three weeks or so, they said, hey, Kesha wants you to come and shoot this show with her. And I was like, Kesha wants me to come shoot a show with her. They're like, she goes and she goes to these haunted I have no interest. It's not about Kesha. Yes, you don't want me to fly out to San Francisco and like go stand some jail overnight or something with her? Kesha? Yeah, that'd be great on her show. See, that's the whole thing. This would be like for your career. Man, Kesha's creepies or something. Do you have a story about that, Mike? There is Kesha will explore haunted places in a Discovery Plus series called Conjuring Kesha. Okay, that's what it is. That's what it is. What do you do? What are you even thinking about it? You already said, already said no, No, what are you doing zero? First of all, no, second of all no, and third of all, I don't want to do that. It's not about kesh It, it's not about you know, you just don't want. I don't want to go and spend the night in a jail in San Francisco. Would go in ghosts? Then why aren't you there the whole experience? He doesn't. It's I don't know. I just said no. It was an easy man. I want to said, he has no heart beat. I like Kesha. I think I've only member once. I don't know where, but I like like like we were on a flight with Kesha. That was crazy. We were yeah to Vegas and she was sitting about three rows in front of us. You remember this, Yeah, now that you say that she in first class and we weren't. I know it was Southwest, so there was no first class. I remember because I wasn't. I wasn't saying in the first class sea when Kesha was on a plane. Um, all right, but would you have done that show, Mike? Yeah? Right? Why not? Also? The timing was weird. But mostly it's about ghosts now making every other excuse because you guys are shaming me, Brittney spears, holding against me, speeding. It's good, escape the clos that's the club right there. The song starts to get a little worse, so I should go down the list. Don't like songs that aren't lasting that long. What was Britney's song that was like if you see Amy? Oh, if you seek games, if you seek amy? Did you and that's what it was? Did you get it? No? If you seek Amy was the name of the song that says the play on play it, yes, if you seek me? Oh, that's the radio should be playing if you seek Amy? And we're just idiots. I see you guys are singing it there the whole time. Remember this, pull it up? How long? When did it come out? Though? That that's what it meant. No, you knew what media you did? I would. I would have sang this for years without knowing it. Brain. I just wanted to the padish kind somebody take me you WHOA. All the boys and all the girls are begging into fuc that's crazy and radio played it like that's crazy. I had no idea. Now I can find a million dollars for something to happen to do with anything that was like Gaga would poker face. Wait, what what's that? There was in that little in the sample she used right, yeah, said ever face yea, and only one radio station caught it was kiss in Los Angeles. Dang, and she knows the whole time, so they're probably like speaking of Lady Gaga. Born this Way, baby to number one, two eleven. Okay, this is a good one that's lasted. This is this one's been strong track. Baby was born this Way. And then Katy Perry has one part of me here. I don't know that one. I don't either. She was just such a massive star for a while that anything she put out would show up. Okay, that's it. Thank you all, Eddie, thank you, Thanks you guys. To check out the award winning losing Yes, I love that, the award winning. We won an award last week.