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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network analysts co host to Move the Sticks podcast. You can see him throughout NFL Network's coverage of the Draft tonight, starting at a Eastern. He's Daniel Jeremiah back on the program, Toby, could.

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Speaker 3: You see you?

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Speaker 4: Tradition is continuous, Yes, it does. We always love having you.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the question, you can take one player start your franchise all time.

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Speaker 5: I'll take John Lway.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, I just think that the talent was ridiculous and the people that I respect that I got into scouting with it had been around forever and said that he was the best.

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Speaker 2: And if you look at what he did, he didn't have many all pros at the skill position, and it became John, it's a close game, we're going to rely on and you go win the game. And it felt like he was able to win those games. Now Brady's standing alone knowing what we know about him. If I and Brady said this to me years ago, if I was taken in the first round, I never would have survived because I would have been thrown in early. I wasn't ready to play, et cetera. But where would Brady be in a take him number one overall?

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Speaker 4: You don't even know what your team or your coaches.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, the accomplishments are unrival But to me, if you told me I could just get Tom Brady like starting year three and for the next twenty plus years, whatever he played, I would I would sign up for that.

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Speaker 5: He'd be pretty high up there.

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Speaker 6: But in terms of just the raw talent jumping right into the mix, and like you said, he I don't think he would even put himself there.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's take away quarterbacks. What would you take?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Reggie White would be would be right there.

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Speaker 6: I'm we just said twenty five and thirty six, the defensive player the year of the year.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how do you go against that. I mean, they don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 6: But I was in Baltimore ray Lewis and that was an incredible run, an incredible ride. But even as much as he impacted the game, Reggie White changed everything.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he.

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Speaker 5: Freed up everybody else in that whole front.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's going to him more important, ray Lewis or Ed Reid Oh my gosh, wow, I would say Ray just because the run game he could have.

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Speaker 5: He could just shut down a run game by himself.

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Speaker 6: But there were oftentimes of those Ravens teams who are our best chance of scores with Ed Reid on defense, I mean, our offense is not good.

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Speaker 3: It was my wife.

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Speaker 6: We'd been watching the games at home and be like, oh, our offense is on the field. You want to get something neat we'll be back, so you get the defense back out there.

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Speaker 2: But when you look back on that defense, you know, Steel Curtain defense, Doomsday defense, Purple people leaders. You've had so many great the Ravens defense, can you say unequivocally that's the greatest defense of all time? If I look at one year or I look at a span of five years, does that change your opinion? Because the Bears in eighty five.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 4: They should have won more.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Hard, and the Giants should have won morea with their defenses as great as they were. But Steele Curtin, you got to keep everybody. There wasn't free agency.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But the Ravens with what they did, uh. And of course the great scouting department that.

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Speaker 6: Those guys are well before I got there that you don't get credit for. I know, I get to to co sponsor Helodi Nada. That's about where that ends.

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Speaker 4: Great So greatest defense of all time is.

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Speaker 5: I would still say eighty five Bears.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean and that's we Mike Singletary work with the Ravens for a little bit and got to know him some, so that that was hearing some of those stories about that group and just how dominant they were.

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Speaker 5: It's hard. It's hard to go against them.

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Speaker 2: You came out with your final mock draft. Yeah, the biggest surprise is going to be where where does the draft change?

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Speaker 5: I think it's interesting at three.

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Speaker 6: I think Arizona's got such a fascinating decision, and it's a it's a mixture of an on field decision and.

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Speaker 5: An off field decision.

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Speaker 6: Like this, this organizations have any buzz or juice. You know, Kyler, for whatever his faults were, was entertaining, you know, as a reason for people to watch that team. And now he's gone and you're kind of looking at him like I always go back to if you looked up in the.

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Speaker 5: Stands, like what jerseys are you going to see? Up there, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Kurt Warner.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a Kurt warnering Kwan Bold and Larry Fitzgerald. I mean, obviously McBride's a great player, but you could you can talk yourself into or to Jeremiah Love knowing, hey, are we ready right now to feature all that he does really well? Probably not, but he does make him interesting and exciting. I had him trading it because logically that made more sense to me. Of your pieces away, you could trade it and potentially get another first round pick in twenty seven. Get your right tackle now. I was talking to kill him more the other day, and he was talking about how one of the keys to their team going forward is if they got those tackles in place before they drafted Chuck and that gave him a chance to be successful with a good offensive line. So I kind of believe in the in the order of how you build this thing. But I also get the business side of it too. Of man, we got to have something to sell here.

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Speaker 2: I could see the Saints going after Jeremiah Love. I know they got the Kamara situation, but Jeremiah Love is a home run He's a home run hitter.

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Speaker 5: He's a great player. I mean I have him as number two player in the draft.

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Speaker 4: Who is better than him?

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Speaker 5: I have Mendoza. Yeah, I think Mendoze is worthy of being the first overall pick. I know some people are.

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Speaker 6: Saying, oh, it's just these are quarterbacks and he's getting elevated up there.

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Speaker 5: I think there's I think he's better than that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but how much of this is his talent? How much of this is his story?

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Speaker 5: I still think it's his talent.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's gonna go to bed tonight at six foot five two and forty hounds.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's that's not a story, that's a fact.

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Speaker 6: Like he is a big, strong dude who if you just look at the stuff that you can't really debate. He's got the size, he's got the physical, mental toughness. I think you can all we all agree on that he's been great lad in games. He's been great inside the red zone. The bigger the game, the bigger the moment, the better he played. Like all that stuff is all true. Now we can say there's some things he can improve on, and like anybody else, needs some development, but that's a pretty good place to start from.

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Speaker 2: I was impressed with him when we talked to him on Monday. He's a CEO, and when he says to you, I went back and looked at every single Kirk Cousins throw in Minnesota because he's been compared. I compared him to Kirk Cousins, and people are like, why why would you do that? I go, I would sign up for Kirk Cousins career if I'm the Raiders. And with Mondoz, I also said Joe Flacco, if I could have that career longevity at that pick quality face of the franchise, you know, I think we want him to be Mahomes or Josh Allen, and he's not.

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Speaker 6: No, no, There's only a couple of those guys that come around. So to me, like he's a winning quarterback. And you think about Cousins, there was a stretch, oh damn, probably six years where everybody would agree Kirk Cousins is anywhere from like seven to twelve. He's like the seventh or twelfth best quarterback in the league and they're winning games and going to the playoffs. I think the Raiders would sign up for that in a heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: Jerry always throws out something cryptic that they could be moving up and if they do, it's probably defense here. But is there anybody else that you see where you go? They're going to be a mover, They're they're coming up because every draft it feels like there's five to seven trades in average in the last ten years.

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Speaker 6: In the first round, well, I think in the back you're going to see a ton of movement, you know, like Tampa's at fifteen, for example, they're looking at at edge rushers.

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Speaker 5: Potentially there a guy like a Key mezidor.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know there's a tackle run coming, you know, starting with Detroit. So I always I always feel bad for some of those teams that have that obvious glaring need because it's like a bullseye on your chest. So if you know Detroit as a tackle team, you want to get ahead of them. So that's the Jets at sixteen, that's Tampa at fifteen. So if Tampa wants a pass rusher, they can go back into the early twenties and still get a guy like Mezzidor. So it makes a lot of sense for them to be a target. Come up, get in front of the Lions, get your tackle there. So that's a spot I think we'll see a lot of movement around those tackles at that point in time. But up at the top, you know, you think about three the Saints, Mickey Limis is just aggressive. Twenty five trades. He's gone north twenty five times south zero times.

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Speaker 5: He's traded future.

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Speaker 6: First round picks three times since two thousand and eight. So they're aggressive. So they would be one I always keep an eye on, and then the other two Kansas City and the Rams don't belong picking up there. They're they're in a better roster position. And where they are, you know, in Super Bowl contenders. So I could see them saying, you know, how often are we going to be this close? Like, let's let's go be aggressive and try and go get a big time blue chip player.

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Speaker 2: What does Ty Simpson do better than Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 6: He is more, he's more fluid, I would say, he's just more a little bit more mechanically sound.

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Speaker 5: Mendoza is a little bit more robotic. But Mendoza's got.

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Speaker 6: More horsepower, He's bigger, you know, sturdier, he's you know, more durable, you know, in that way.

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Speaker 5: So look, Ty's Ty.

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Speaker 3: You can you watch him.

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Speaker 6: You can tell his dad's a coach, like his footwork is excellent, he's got a perfect release, he throws a real nice ball. All that stuff is great, but he just got some of the physical limitations that Fernando doesn't have.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah NFL Network analyst, and he'll be on the coverage tonight at eight eastern on NFL Network here in Pittsburgh. If Arch Manning was coming out.

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Speaker 6: I mean he'd be I mean, I haven't done the full work up on him, so I wouldn't stand on the table and say this is gospel, but just off of the tools that you could that we all can see, and then you add into the pedigree of that, he would.

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Speaker 5: He'd be in the conversation up there at the top.

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Speaker 4: Would you still take Mendoza that?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I would want to do a deeper dive before I would say that, But I would say that. That would be the discussion we'd be having, would be those two guys one versus one of what that looked like.

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Speaker 4: But I got CJ. Cart notre Dame Dan.

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Speaker 5: So he's Dan's already in on CJ.

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Speaker 2: Huh Orlowsky's already fallen in love with him.

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Speaker 5: True story, True story. I went to the pediatrist foot doctor. The doctor walks.

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Speaker 6: Into the room and he goes, he goes, oh, he goes, Hey, Daniel excited for the have to go. Yeah, good to see it, doc, he goes man Orlowski really likes Ty Simpson. I'm like, can we can we fix my foot before we get into Orlawski and Tie.

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Speaker 4: What's the craziest in the war room moment that you experienced?

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Speaker 5: Oh, Man, gosh, there's there's our argument.

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Speaker 7: Yo.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you that we've called the player.

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Speaker 6: I've been in there and we've had to call a player and tell him we're picking him. It was Clarence Moore, was a wide receiver and this is like the fifth or sixth round. And then while we were on the phone telling him, he was talking to Bashati, the owner.

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Speaker 5: Why that happened?

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Speaker 6: We got a trade offer, and then like you see it, they go, no, no, hang up, hang up the phone, hang up the phone. So like literally I don't even remember what mister Bashadi said, Hey, we'll call you back.

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Speaker 5: No, no, but then they hung up the phone.

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Speaker 6: Thankfully, we got this trade and then we still ended up picking the same guy, but it was a tense, uncomfortable moment, for sure.

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Speaker 5: He must have his head must have been spinning.

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Speaker 2: When you have a new coach coming in with Baltimore, given what Harball did there. How much I'm looking at the odds, the Ravens have the best odds to make the playoffs according to drafts. Yes, and that's where a new coach coming in. So what does that do to the Ravens as far as offensive philosophy or I know Monkin is an offensive guy, how do you change? Do you do anything different with Lamar Jackson?

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Speaker 6: I'm curious to see. I think that there's some work to be done on this roster. You know that surprises me to have them viewed in that light at this point in the process. They need to have a good draft. Offensively, you're bringing deck La Doyle. I mean, I think they want to kind of open it up a little bit and and they'll be a little They'll be a.

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Speaker 5: Little I don't want to say exotic, but they'll just be a little more.

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Speaker 4: But he's not running as much as he did Lamar, I know, and I think.

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Speaker 5: That's a mistake.

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Speaker 6: I like that threat of him doing that. I think that's what makes him makes them special. I'm curious to see the pieces that they had.

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Speaker 4: That they all stop running after a while. Cam Cam did I know?

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Speaker 5: I know, I look, I.

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Speaker 4: I mean John challenge the rarity because.

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Speaker 6: He's built like Aliath. I mean, so it's Cam, Yeah, but the you know, with Lamar, I don't know. It's gonna be fascinating to see how they put it together with him. I mean, you look at Caleb and what they did with him in Chicago. Lamar's Margan and go under center more. We're going to see some of that. I'm curious to see how they kind of meld this thing together. I'm also look, they need to get any interior offensive lineman. Ronnie Stanley's not getting any younger on the edge. They could add another white out like They've got some pieces they need to add there.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna make you the GM of the Steelers. Okay, what are you doing well?

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Speaker 6: I mean when they talk about, you know, your left tackle not being fully healthy, that scares me.

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Speaker 5: So that's a direction that I'm I'm looking at.

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Speaker 4: I know, people, so you assume Aaron Rodgers is going to be your quarterback?

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Speaker 3: I do they surely they know.

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Speaker 5: I mean I'm assuming so.

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Speaker 4: You want that if you're the GM.

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Speaker 5: We can ride it another year.

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Speaker 6: I think there's I think the Steelers quarterback, the futures in the twenty seven draft, and I know everybody does want to hear that. Everybody always says next year is going to be better.

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Speaker 3: We hear that. I truly believe that.

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Speaker 6: I think that the way that they're going to try and make one little on here. This last ride with Rogers, I thought, you know, before Cousins signed, maybe that would be a fallback.

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Speaker 5: Once he signed, I figured they have to have assurances.

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Speaker 4: But why not trade for Malik Willis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think they had.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they had the belief last year then malikos as a free agent sign James, Yeah, I might.

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Speaker 5: Sounds like mac Jones is not going anywhere. That surprised me.

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Speaker 4: Well, if I'm San Francisco, I don't let him go. Yeah, no, I wait.

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Speaker 2: Until somebody may get maybe he gets hurt and maybe you get a little bit more. But you know, Seattle got Sam Darnold and people went, what are you doing? And you got I don't know, they took a swing and it worked out for them. I just Pittsburgh's kicking the can down the road here with Aaron.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I just don't think that there's one of their satisfaction in this group. I would I still wouldn't sleep on you know, as we get a little bit further on in the draft, I'd look at a guy like Carson Beckett. That could be uh, that could be an option here for the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: You get nervous when you go on the draft.

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Speaker 6: No, because I got a buddy that's been in broadcasting for a long time time that always texts me during the draft.

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Speaker 3: It always does.

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Speaker 2: Very unprofessional of me to do it, but I always our tradition a nice text. I know, I know, I think I basically say, don't screw up.

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Speaker 4: That's my motivation.

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Speaker 5: It's funny. It's just so encouraged.

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Speaker 6: This says, shut up all caps, exclamation point, exclamation points.

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Speaker 2: Does your father, who is a minister, Yeah, how does he? Has he helped you in your presentation of how you can? You know he's talking to a congregation, Yeah, you're talking to a bigger audience.

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Speaker 6: Yeah he's yeah, he's he's helped me. I remember the first time I went on television. It was I was in a studio in Orange County and I was doing something with ESPN, and so you're just at the first time you're looking into a camera and not a person. Dan and it was on and my eyes were going and my dad was nice as can be. It was like, hey, you know, we have some cameras at the church.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you could come down. We can practice a little bit looking into a camera.

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Speaker 4: Who's a better broadcaster?

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Speaker 5: Oh he is, he's been doing it for fifty years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's pretty charismatic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's yeah, he's got me there.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you again. Good to see you have fun tonight.

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Speaker 2: He's a Daniel Jeremiah co host to Move the Sticks podcast.

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Speaker 5: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he enjoys coming on the show, but I enjoy having him on the show. Bill Coward the Hall of Famer and uh NFL Today CBS studio analyst who joins this now in the program, I oh, get off a good start off. No, I know we're not gonna argue. We're not gonna yell today. Arm Now, I didn't bring your babblehead, because that's what you look for, right.

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Speaker 7: I was kind of wondering.

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Speaker 2: No, I brought a Jerome Bettist bibblehead. So can you pull that mic up to your coach? Yes, I didn't want anything to happen to the bibblehead you sent me.

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Speaker 7: So that as very thoughtful when you're on your part.

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Speaker 9: Yes, seriously, because you don't want it to get lost, you know, in course of travel.

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Speaker 2: I don't want anything damage other than what's damaged with our relationship here.

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Speaker 7: No, No, we're not going down that road.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 4: No, I will not make you mad.

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Speaker 9: No, No, we never get mad. We just discuss things. Sometimes you take me down dark corridors of my life. But other than that, we're fine.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever change your route to get to the stadium going to the stadium and coming back from the stadium after a game?

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Speaker 9: No, so on game day. On home games, I would stay in the hotel the night before the game, I would drive up to Fox Chapel and pick up my family, my daughter, my three daughters, and my wife, and.

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Speaker 7: We would come in together.

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Speaker 9: And so we drive through and I'd try to get there obviously two hours before. I try to get in here by eleven o'clock for one o'clock games, and so we would drive through the parking lot and it was really kind of a neat drive there, and then on the way home, usually we had to wait for the doctors to give us a report, and so we would be sitting there and certainly it was a lot better atmosphere after a win than it was after a loss, but we would kind of let the crowd go and then we would drive back up twenty eight go back to Fox Chapel was about a twenty minute drive from the stadium.

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Speaker 2: What happens though, if after a loss and you're pulling over for gas.

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Speaker 9: Well, I wouldn't get gas on game day. So I mean my gas came like during the course of the week. If I go in on a Tuesday, you know, drop the kids off. You know, if we went, I'd just dropped the kids off, go by the gas station. But if we lost, Honestly, as I got around here more often, I'd wait till Tuesday night. So on my way back, so sir, round eleven forty five, twelve o'clock at night. Because if you go in there during the day, everyone just tells you. You know, you're you're throwing the ball way too much, you're not playing very good defense. Why don't you try this? I got a lot of suggestions along the way. Yeah, And as you know, and I just were very respectful of the people here. This is a very knowledgeable fan base and very passionate fan base, and they kind of take things personal. As you know about Pittsburgh, as you can't get around here, it's very territorial.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: I grew up on the other side of that hill right there, about four.

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Speaker 9: Miles from the stadium, a place called Craft in Pennsylvania. And you learn very quickly as you look around here that it's a city with a lot of communities connected by bridges, but there's a proud element of your community that you represent, and so you understand that it does become a little territorial, it becomes personal. And I kind of took that philosophy in my way of talking about games each week and trying to make every game personal because I grew up that way here.

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Speaker 2: Well, was there any part of you that said, I don't want to screw up this franchise, Like I'm a local, I'm honored, but I might be the guy who doesn't do well here and let everybody down.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Like, yeah, happens a lot. You know.

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Speaker 9: I got the job. I was thirty four years old, and I'll never forget. I remember I was in Kansas City and I came in and with my wife and we went back, and remember laying in bed that night, I said, Wow, if I don't screw this up, in three years, I can go back to my twentieth high school class for Union or Carlington High School, being the head coach of my hometown team.

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Speaker 7: So my first thing was, don't screw this up.

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Speaker 4: Wait, you went back to your high school reunion in.

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Speaker 9: My twentieth year. Yeah, I mean for my twentie high school class. And that was three years in and I do have a story about that, and so it was it was we lost the San Diego Charger championship game that year, and so we had that spring and so I said my wife, I said, listen, you know I got to go to the twentieth class reunion. And she goes, Oh, all we're gonna do is go there. I'm gonna tell you how great you are as a coach.

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Speaker 5: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 9: I go know, if I go, promise, I'm gonna go. It's gonna be a just a drive by. We're gonna go in. I got a nice place for us to have dinner up on Mount Washington. I said, but we're gonna say hi. And so we get on right here. It's like there's the the Gateway Clipper. So it's on here and I said, oh, that that's pretty cool. They have a dinner on the water. It's just really cool. So I get on there and all of a sudden, I'm talking to a bunch of guys. All of a sudden I feel the thing moving. We just it's a dinner cruise. I go, oh shit.

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Speaker 10: So I looked over, I look over and my wife is looking at me like, wow, you just I go no, no, honestly, I didn't well now on a dinner cruise from three hours. The first hour, everyone's very cordial. The second hour, after all my buddies had.

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Speaker 7: A few drinks.

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Speaker 9: They tell me how, like why you screwed up that San Diego Charger game. Okay, like you made some bad calls, and oh you're too good to get us tickets now. So now if you buy the end of the three hour cruise, I have about two people. I'm talking to them, mad at all my friends. My wife's not talking to me. We drive home, I go, wow, that was a nice night. So that was my twenty thibook classroom.

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Speaker 4: Nion, when's the last time you bought a beer in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 9: It's been a while. I I you know, I don't come back that often, quite honest with you. My brothers do live here. I come back during the season a lot, sometimes in the off season, and you know, I I.

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Speaker 7: Just I love this city.

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Speaker 9: It takes me back down memory lane so many times, going back into Crafton and just where you were raised, and going by Carlington High School, going into Carnegie at Honess Widener Field.

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Speaker 7: It was right off the street.

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Speaker 4: Did your parents get to enjoy all this?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they did. They did.

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Speaker 9: My dad, you know, he didn't come to the Super Bowl that we won in two thousand and five, but he sat at home and watched it.

00:22:30
Speaker 7: And they did. They they.

00:22:32
Speaker 9: You know, my dad's great story is my first year. It was nineteen ninety two and Neil Donald was a starter and Bobby made him the starter. Neil Donald got hurt like week ten or eleven. I put Bobby Brister in finish out the season. Like the last three or four games. We were like two and two, but Bubby was getting better each game. He hadn't played all year. And we got in a playoff game against the Buffalo Bills. I put Neil Donald back in, thinking that no starter should lose, no stars to lose his job, it's injury. At the time, I thought, Okay, that's the way.

00:23:04
Speaker 7: It should be. It's thinking that's the proper way of doing it.

00:23:07
Speaker 9: We get into the game and Neil didn't hadn't played in over a month, didn't play well. I don't think I made the right decision. At the time, I sat back and said, wow, I put a guy who hadn't played in five weeks for the biggest playoff game of his career. But anyway, so I'm thinking that myself. I go over to the house afterwards and the kind of Sunday or like it was after all the playoffs were over, and we're sitting there and we got all the kids were there and my brothers are there, and my dad was in the sitting in the same same seat, Pops and Iron City beer.

00:23:37
Speaker 7: Hees, how about that was damn Steelers? How dumb was that was to start?

00:23:41
Speaker 3: Start?

00:23:41
Speaker 11: Uh?

00:23:41
Speaker 9: Neil' donald? We hadn't played over a month over Bobby Bristol. I go, Dad, I go, that was me.

00:23:46
Speaker 7: Your Sunday, make that decision, you all?

00:23:49
Speaker 1: He said?

00:23:49
Speaker 9: He goes, well, I'm sure he had a good reason, but it's still with a stupid decision.

00:23:52
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, you want to hear it.

00:23:55
Speaker 9: So you know, my dad was My dad was that guy. I mean, he he was a Pittsburgh through and through. I mean he's sitting in the kitchen and listened to minor cope on the games, you know, listen to him at night on the talk radio. He was a true sports lover. Didn't play it. He loved baseball more than anything, and yeah, it was.

00:24:17
Speaker 8: It was.

00:24:17
Speaker 7: We had a special family.

00:24:19
Speaker 2: He's Bill Coward, the Hall of Famer. We've asked this question first ninety minutes of the program. You could draft anybody number one, start a franchise, but you don't get like if you get Jerry Rice, you don't get Joe Montana, if you get Tom Brady, you don't get Bill Belichick, et cetera. So number one overall pick no matter what era.

00:24:43
Speaker 9: Well, I was in here earlier and listened to your show and tell theman from Cleveland made a statement about Jim Brown. He was a pretty special player, pretty special individual.

00:24:54
Speaker 7: But I think you have to start with the quarterback position.

00:24:57
Speaker 9: I mean, quite frankly and honestly, the I think Tom Brady to me, I mean going against him for all the years. I'm not saying that Joe Montana wasn't a product of the system, but he had a lot of good people around him. I watched Tom Brady grow as a player and his ability to try to defend him to you know, him and Peyton Manning were very similar.

00:25:18
Speaker 7: But I thought Tom was just that he had a more accurate arm, I thought at times.

00:25:23
Speaker 9: But I think him and Peyton Manning to me, were two guys that were the face of your franchise. No one would work harder. They knew what preparation was all about. They didn't get flustered in the highest of stress situations. They were they led by example. And I think those two guys to me, Brady and to Peyton Manning, I think to me or the two.

00:25:46
Speaker 2: Guys, yeah, I would probably say John Lway. I think he did more individually than those two did. The other ones were probably Tom was a better quarterback. If I take away quarterback and I say any other position.

00:26:01
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say Lawrence Taylor. Okay, I mean he was.

00:26:03
Speaker 9: He was I added opportunity to coach Derek Thomas and is run the same timeframe, and Lawrence Taylor, to me, he could wreck havoc in a game. He could just he was a disruptive. This was one of the most disruptive players at his time in the game.

00:26:20
Speaker 2: Today, I would say Reggie White, although I did get to see Lawrence Taylor when I was in New York covering the Giants. And I always tell people there's speed when you're watching on TV, and then there's in the moments speed when you're standing on the sideline and it's completely different, like I can't imagine, you know, can We can see everything unfold and everybody's an expert, but when you see it on the sidelines and you're going, I don't know how it's so quick. Lawrence Taylor got around the end. I mean, he created a position. He was the first edge rusher that we labeled.

00:26:58
Speaker 9: You know, I just you think about the draft as were coming up, and you think about, to me, hybrid players. A guy like Caleb Downs, to me, is a guy that I think is one of those types of guys that you could put him anywhere in the field. Reminds me a lot of Troy Paula Maler, you know, and Joy Troy Palm Marler was a very disruptive player.

00:27:15
Speaker 3: And whatever he wanted to he wasn't.

00:27:18
Speaker 7: He earned the rights to do that.

00:27:20
Speaker 1: So so.

00:27:24
Speaker 9: You know, you know, the one thing he made a lot of mistakes his first year, and I remember a couple of times, like you know, I would go into the go into the facility over here, and he was always in there. He was the first one in there and the last one to leave watching tape, and the only other person that was much as him was Rod Woodson. These guys watched more tape. They were looking for any competitive edge they could get, whether it be a stance, whether it be a split, whether it be a formational thing that that they saw on the road at home, certain ways that people did it. So it got to a point where, you know, I just remember telling Chris Hopeen actually told Ryan Clark, and I met saw him last night. I said, you know, on the first thing I told Ryan Clark, I said, listen, you're coming in here, I said, I just got to tell you one thing. You know, Troy Palm Marlow is going to do some things that are unorthodox, and at times he will not play the defense, and I need you to be able to cover up for him. He goes, what do you mean cover up for him? I says, because he's not going to follow the defense. He goes, you don't have to follow the defense around here. I go, no, no, no, no. He goes, he doesn't have to follow the defense, but you need to be able to cover up for him.

00:28:31
Speaker 7: He goes, what do you mean cover up for him? I said, well, if.

00:28:33
Speaker 9: It's too deep and he sees something he made blitz. I goes, I said, well, how I cover up for him? I said, well, you start talking to the two corners and tell him the backup. He and now you were playing a three deep defense suddenly, and I said, and we'll just go from there. And he goes, can anybody do I go, no, no, no, And he goes. He goes, how often is he wrong? I go, not often? Not often? I go, I said, you know, the one thing I don't want to do is harness him, because when he had a feel for something and he could play very free and do things that were disruptive, you don't harness greatness. And I think the biggest thing you do, and I learned that a little bit with Ben is like, let.

00:29:11
Speaker 7: Him do his thing.

00:29:13
Speaker 9: Yes, your structure, Yes there's guidelines, Yes there's an approach, we have to it. But these are players that in the heat of the moment, they can acclimate to the situation. They get a feel for the game. I have a feel from the sideline, but you're on that field. And if you have that feel for the game, wow, I can allow you to play free, play fast, and be aggressive. I like that, and I'll live with the periodic.

00:29:34
Speaker 4: Mistakes, give me the player you wanted to draft and you weren't allowed.

00:29:39
Speaker 7: To Javon Curse nineteen ninety nine, we took Troy Edwards.

00:29:44
Speaker 4: You were overruled.

00:29:46
Speaker 7: I don't want to go into it. Now, you know, I knew it.

00:29:50
Speaker 1: I see, I knew you were doing this.

00:29:52
Speaker 7: I knew you did this. I was just thinking about this this morning.

00:29:57
Speaker 4: I go.

00:29:57
Speaker 7: I got to think about all the drafts I had. Who was like your word pick? And you had to go out and ask nothing? You did?

00:30:03
Speaker 9: You said, like, was I overruled? Do you want to go into that discussion?

00:30:06
Speaker 2: Do you want to open the bottle of one?

00:30:08
Speaker 3: No?

00:30:10
Speaker 9: But it was that was I That was a very quick answer to that question because Javon Curse at the time would have been a perfect outside linebacker in the three four defense and Troy was a receiver right after the catch guy, Yeah, it was not.

00:30:29
Speaker 7: It was that we had.

00:30:33
Speaker 9: I wish I could say that there was an overrule. There was this no communication and so it led to some change in following.

00:30:40
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll leave you with this.

00:30:41
Speaker 2: If if you were coaching the Steelers, yes, how would you feel about your quarterbacking situation?

00:30:48
Speaker 9: We've got to give Will Howard a chance. I think Aaron will come back at some point, I really do, you know. I I go back to the same thing. Then I think that the Steelers can't chase the quarterback. The quarterback's going to come building around him, you know, kind of like what we did. You know we had Tommy Maddox. We want a game with him, Tom Zach and Cordell and the O'Donnell. You know when Ben.

00:31:12
Speaker 7: Came along that that team was built.

00:31:15
Speaker 9: Okay, And I think this right now from the Pittsburgh Steelers build this thing. I think an offensive lineman tonight is going to be the pick they have to make.

00:31:22
Speaker 7: I said, you know, put that offensive line there.

00:31:24
Speaker 9: You've got a couple of receivers, whether it's Will Howard or Aaron Rodgers. Maybe the next guy is not here yet. I don't know. But when that next guy comes, it's plug and sert and win. And that's why I say to me, it's like, build everything else around him, you know, don't keep chasing something that you're trying to manufacture.

00:31:41
Speaker 7: It will happen.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Uh.

00:31:43
Speaker 2: The one piece of advice you gave to Mike Tomlin for TV was what.

00:31:48
Speaker 9: Just be yourself honestly, I think that. I think that's the biggest thing for Mike. And you know, and I think a lot of guys who have left have come back. I did not go back. My situation is a little bit differently though than those guys.

00:31:59
Speaker 4: You know, you think Mike's going to do this as a career.

00:32:03
Speaker 9: I don't think so. I think he's got I think he loves the sideline. I think he loves the competition. I think he loves that arena. He's an arena guy. And I think when I left, I left for my wife's reasons. It didn't work out and I got remarried, and I didn't want to take someone back into.

00:32:21
Speaker 7: That world again. I said, you know, it's it's just it's it's a I I would.

00:32:27
Speaker 9: I didn't want to do that again, and quite frankly, I left to my own and I can never envision myself being in another uniform except black and gold.

00:32:42
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking time. I know you got busy schedule. Yeah, I know you're going to be on Pat McAfee his draft show. Would you like to hit somebody before you leave?

00:32:52
Speaker 9: Well, I the fact that you don't have my bibble head up there, and you blame it on the fact that transportation was an issue because I can see how much that really takes up a lot of space right there, because you know what need to happens, See how.

00:33:02
Speaker 7: Big that is.

00:33:03
Speaker 9: And then the fact you had to go down and ask me about my worst draft pick. So I appreciate the fact that we're back to normal.

00:33:09
Speaker 10: Would you no, no, no, I mean no no.

00:33:14
Speaker 9: I would just like to let you keep thinking I'm going to tackle it. You can walk on eggshells the rest of your life, but I will always be following you. I told you if I came to Pittsburgh, I'm coming to be on the show.

00:33:26
Speaker 7: And I'm a man.

00:33:27
Speaker 4: My head is always on a swivel.

00:33:29
Speaker 7: Yes, no, you're good, You're good.

00:33:30
Speaker 9: I enjoy our talks due the course of the season because the one thing I do get to talk about with you is more of the philosophical approach to some of the things that are taking place.

00:33:40
Speaker 7: I love the National Football League.

00:33:41
Speaker 9: I feel like my platform at CBS being a kind of a guardian of the game. I like to call bullshit if I have to do it periodically, And sometimes I think that we get caught up in the uh what we perceive, what we want this to look like as opposed to just doing the right thing. And mister rooneyst to always say this, I'll leave you one story Dan Ruiney. Like times I would talk to him on a Friday afternoon, everybody's out of the building. I'm in there, just preparing my last little bit for my meeting the next day that next night, and I say, Danny, listen, I'm just want you to know, like I may pull the quarterback this week. I don't like the way he's practiced, I don't like the way I'm playing. I'm not sure he's into this. And I says, what I want you to know beforehand, so that you're you're not blindsided by this. He would just say like, okay, Like were you going to dinner? And I said, well, like we're going to dinner at the club. He goes, well, the girl's got anything this week? I got the girls are fine. I just want to make sure you know about this quarterback thing. He'd turn you, walk around, you walk away. I'm like, oh my god, I say something to offend him. Like he would stop at the door. He would look back, he said, coach, just do the right thing, and he would walk away.

00:34:47
Speaker 7: Well that didn't help.

00:34:50
Speaker 9: But you know what, do you know what it was? I understand the consequences of the choices you make. Are you doing it for one person? Are you doing it for the team? Are you worried about hurting someone feelings? Or do you think sometimes that has to happen the talking course of having personal growth, of which you'll give us substantially team growth.

00:35:07
Speaker 7: So just doing the right thing.

00:35:09
Speaker 9: Sometimes it's not the easiest thing to do, and sometimes the easiest thing to do isn't always the right thing to do.

00:35:15
Speaker 4: I'm ready to run through a wall for you.

00:35:17
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, will cower everybody.

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00:35:38
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00:35:39
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00:35:44
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00:35:46
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00:36:23
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00:36:37
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00:36:47
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00:36:48
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00:36:53
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00:37:11
Speaker 12: I have four goldens tempting. His mom and dad had their last litter and they're four weeks old, and I just can't say no. So I'm contemplating possibly.

00:37:23
Speaker 4: Getting a fifth. So I have to wait and see if my wife.

00:37:26
Speaker 3: Will allow it.

00:37:27
Speaker 2: How does that go over at the house, like you can't make a purchase like that.

00:37:32
Speaker 12: No, it's because it's a big responsibility.

00:37:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but I I just I love.

00:37:38
Speaker 12: Them, you know, and I've got room for them, you know where I live in Nashville, and and it just their family, you know. So I I love uh And I've found a breeder that every time you get one, they're they're incredible.

00:37:51
Speaker 2: So let me ask you about your wardrobe at the Michigan game. Uh uh, because you went to your son. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, okay. But but I was told by Ohio State fans of course, because I'm in Ohio. They're like, hey, Herbie's wearing Michigan colors. And I go his son goes to Michigan, and I'm like, you, poor guy, you can't even I can't wait. Just have like just a normal day where you're watching your son in the spring.

00:38:19
Speaker 12: Get it's just and my son played in Minnesota. Might be in Minnesota. He plays at Michigan. They offered him a full ride to go up there and play. And my wife and I support our sons. My son plays at Michigan. I didn't have a block m on I had a navy coat and.

00:38:36
Speaker 1: Then I think I had this you did have that hat hat on?

00:38:39
Speaker 12: Yes, it's like incognito as I could possibly make it.

00:38:44
Speaker 4: So it is what, you know, how it is.

00:38:46
Speaker 12: I mean, anything you do, you're you're you're pretty much screwed. He's just checking you out back here.

00:38:51
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's fun. You know how that goes.

00:38:56
Speaker 12: Yeah, but I I you know, I was just over at P and C. You know, baseball guy grew up in the seventies and Southwest Ohio with the big Red machine. So I mean I'm as big a baseball fan as I am football, and P and C. I've always looked at that is maybe the best, the crown jewel of all the new stadiums.

00:39:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's congrats to you guys.

00:39:16
Speaker 12: I mean, I think it's beautiful and it's great to see because when I grew up the Pirates, you know, we are family, it was it was a big deal, the Pirates baseball. And it's great to see Schemes and Reynolds and you know this rookie Griffin. It's neat to see they have a nucleus and they're they're winning games and so they invited us. Over All I can think about is they're gonna ask me to collaborate on this. As I'm taking reds, fans are going to be yelling it, and it's like, what can you do? Is we were just honored to be over there and take some photos.

00:39:46
Speaker 2: Well, you try to tell people what a real rivalry used to be, and that was the big red machine in the Pirates.

00:39:51
Speaker 3: Man, it was good.

00:39:52
Speaker 2: And then you throw in the Dodgers back then, Oh my gosh, and it was so good. It felt like every year was coming down to the Pirates against the ball.

00:40:00
Speaker 12: Willie Stargell and Phil Garner and Tim Foley and Phil Madlock and Easler, Mike Easler, Omar Marino, Dave Parker behind the plate. I mean that that group seems like in those days they were together for seven, eight, nine years, but you.

00:40:15
Speaker 4: Could stay together.

00:40:17
Speaker 2: But you know, Rennie Stennant, yeah, I think they Gene Alley, I go back to Gene Alley short stuff. Yeah, yeah, I you know, growing up in the late sixties, early seventies. Yeah, and of those rivalries. And we were just talking about Roberto Clemente. Somebody brought me a bottle of wine. The Clemente Museum, and I remember, you know when you watch certain athletes and you go, that's different, different, And I remember Clemente. He his batting stands, the way he ran, but his arm, his arm was incredible. Yeah, it might have been the greatest arm I ever saw. Now, Parker was Parker, Yeah yeah.

00:40:56
Speaker 12: But Parker was such a big, imposing act.

00:40:58
Speaker 4: I think he was a running back in St. Princeton High School.

00:41:01
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I can't imagine he would have been you imagine there's like six four sixty five. He would have been like Derrick Henry, yeah, or if not bigger, Yeah, I mean, Dave Parker was a monster and of course ended up coming over to say he ended up playing for a bunch of teams.

00:41:18
Speaker 12: But Golory years, of course was the Cobra as a pirate.

00:41:21
Speaker 2: So when you start assessing talent and you're trying to figure out you're projecting here, And I don't know what's tougher to go from high school projecting success in college or college projecting in the NFL.

00:41:35
Speaker 4: Which one would you say? I think if you're talking.

00:41:37
Speaker 12: Quarterback play, I think it's equally as challenging because I think the thing that we all overlook on quarterbacks is we get caught up and enamored with a guy's size, his arm strength, the numbers maybe that he put up in college or even in high school. And I think what it's so hard to define, and it's why we we always see teams men is the ability to process, the ability to see a defense pre snap, and then in the NFL you're gonna get a different look more often than not post snap. And it's hard because of the way the college game is played so much no huddle, looking over the sideline. You know you're looking at four signs on the sideline. It's all tempo, and then you're going to go listen to a John Gruden type of play call where you're just trying to manage the huddle and get the call out, let alone deal with them. And so there's really no testing that can evaluate guys unless they come out of a system in college that you feel like, okay, we've seen them, like Sark with what they do with Arch, that's a little bit different because Sark was an NFL see he's known for his ability to be more sophisticated, more NFL like, So with Arch, I think you're next year when they're evaluating him, I think it's going to be a little bit easier to evaluate based on what you see. But I think I think the most underrated thing and most difficult thing to predict is the ability to process and beat a defense with your mind and not just look at my primary he's covered and take off and run.

00:43:14
Speaker 3: Because we live in.

00:43:14
Speaker 12: This era of dual threat quarterbacks.

00:43:17
Speaker 7: High school.

00:43:17
Speaker 12: The best athlete in high school used to be a running back, a receiver, a linebacker, a safety.

00:43:23
Speaker 7: Now he's a quarterback.

00:43:25
Speaker 12: And they go up to college and they dominate, and then they go up into the NFL. Caleb Williams is a great example what Ben Johnson's trying to do with him in Chicago his whole life. Imagine being the best athlete on the field middle school, high school, college, Oklahoma, and the USC. So when things get uncomfortable, his natural instinct is to go and because he's done it so well, and Ben Johnson this past year works so hard and getting him to be like, trust it go from A to B to see.

00:43:55
Speaker 1: Ben, let's not take away your ability to create.

00:43:58
Speaker 3: We don't want to eliminate it. Not just go to that as the answer. And so I don't know.

00:44:02
Speaker 12: I think each guy's different, each guy and how you evaluate him. I think that's what makes Fernando so interesting with Tom Brady being in Vegas, is he's kind of a tom Brady quarterback. Yeah, he can move around a little bit we saw in the National title. But he's a guy that does have the ability to look at a defense, evaluate it, get a pre snap feel, have some answers, they move.

00:44:23
Speaker 3: To a different coverage.

00:44:24
Speaker 12: I think he's now they got to get pieces around him. But I think I'm very confident in his ability to go up to that next level, maybe not year one, but eventually just because of his wiring and his prep and how he'll be able to dissect the defense.

00:44:38
Speaker 2: But when you look at quarterbacks, and I've said this before, Michael Vickers said it before, that you don't put in the time because you're such a great athlete, like Kyler Murray in high school, Like that's freakish, you know. Josh Allen, I kept saying, you got to learn how to play the position because you were just not there. I'm going to take off and run, and I go back to Steve Young, and Steve said it was so easy for him to look, look, go and he said I had to go to the third and fourth and then I became the quarterback that I was. But I don't know what that's like because you played the position and that clock in your head of how long is long enough and how long is too long when you're ready to make a decision.

00:45:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see.

00:45:22
Speaker 12: I have a great appreciation for it because I never could do it. I grew up at Centerville High School that you're familiar with, and my high school coach in these days, you know, they ran split veer. My high school coach went to Fisher to Bury at Air Force Academy and he brought back the old school Wishbone. So I ran Wishbone High school offense reading a triple option. I was like a high four five four six guy and big, you know. I was six three, two hundred and eighteen pounds, but could ron And that's why I could never drop. I go to Ohio State, I had to drop seven steps and run more of a West Coast offense, and I never I never could get comfortable with I could do the drops, but I was that look at the primary it's uncomfortable, get out guy, right. So I have such appreciation when I see a guy like a Tom Brady or a Drew buter more of the old school guy that has that ability to just comfortably ignore his blind side. You know, my first time I went in against Ohio State against USC Junior Sayo, they still had their ones in Junior sale was on my blind side and we were running a play action to my right in the LA Coliseum. I've got a backup left tackle in the game, and Junior Sayou at this point, I think he had three sacks in the.

00:46:40
Speaker 3: Game, and.

00:46:44
Speaker 12: All I could think about it was on color, so it was it was down blue, So I said, down blue, and I started to take the snap, and out of my corner of my eye, I could see my left tackle still in his stance, and.

00:46:58
Speaker 3: I had to.

00:47:00
Speaker 12: And I had to turn my back and carry out a fake knowing that my left tackle, who had no chance to block him to begin with, was still in his stance, and I'm thinking, is he gonna spear me in the back?

00:47:12
Speaker 4: How bad?

00:47:15
Speaker 12: And by the time I got to the top of the faith, I was ear holding down and in USC number fifty five, he used to just kind of do like I am that guy kind of thing. And I'm looking up at that, but I never had the ability to look at two and three and four. That's why I can really relate to it so well. And and to hear Steve Young say, because I think Steve Young, if you put him in this era, oh, I mean, honestly, he just missed his era. He would have been so dominant because he had the ability to throw, the ability to create.

00:47:48
Speaker 4: But it's cool to hear him say he.

00:47:49
Speaker 12: Even had to learn one to two to three to four because he was so dynamic as a playmaker.

00:47:55
Speaker 2: Where we headed with this playoff situation where it feels like sixteen but there's a push for twenty four. I mean that happened quickly. Herb, Yeah, I did.

00:48:04
Speaker 12: I think the Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti was really the first one to get out there and talk about it last year. And then everybody was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:48:12
Speaker 3: Twenty four.

00:48:13
Speaker 12: That's ridiculous. You'll cheapen the regular season. That's one of the great things about the college game is you still feel like these games in September really matter. And if you go to twenty four, are you able to hold onto that. There's that argument then there's an argument that let's do away with the conference championships. Let's make that a you know, four against five and three against six and almost like a play in to advance to the playoffs. So I don't I really don't. He just staring that camera down. I don't know how I feel. I don't know what the answer is. It seems like the twenty four is gaining momentum.

00:48:46
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't the SEC want twenty four?

00:48:49
Speaker 3: Have no idea because.

00:48:50
Speaker 4: I'd heard Greg sank, Yeah he doesn't want it. Yeah, but that's more teams, yeah, more revenue?

00:48:57
Speaker 7: Is it about the aqs?

00:48:59
Speaker 12: Like how many teams to you are?

00:49:01
Speaker 3: Just automatically?

00:49:02
Speaker 4: I don't know how many they're going to a lot.

00:49:04
Speaker 12: But let's just put the best teams in, no matter what the deal is. I don't like when we get to the end and we gotta be nice and like, let's make sure that a team gets in, because this past year we had a couple of teams in and I don't mind it, like Ben Roethlisberger Miami, Ohio group of five teams. Put those kind of teams in Boise State, like those kind of teams when they were really good, No problem, put them in. But let's not just do it to do it, you know. And I feel like we're at an era right now where that's kind of what we're doing.

00:49:35
Speaker 4: Who you with tonight on ABC?

00:49:39
Speaker 12: So, like you said, Game Day from five to seven on ESPN, and then so they're the mel kiper game ESPN. Draft is on ESPN breaking down teams needs and this is what they're going to do me.

00:49:50
Speaker 3: Nick Saban, Desmond.

00:49:51
Speaker 12: Howard, and Rhees Davis will be on ABC and it'll be more of a Game Day version of Fernando Mendoza. We're gonna tell you about him, We're going to tell you about his mom, We're going to tell you about you know what, what his career has been like. We're going to talk about r VL Reese as a person as a ute.

00:50:10
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's cool with it.

00:50:14
Speaker 12: Here's this is the greatest thing about Nick Saban. And I've known him since he was the head coach at Michigan State, so I've known him for almost twenty twenty five years. He when he first came on to Game Day. I may have already told you this, but it just stands out to me. He's Nick Saban, right, and we'll get done with a segment, It'll turn to me, and because I'm sitting right next to him, he'll look over music.

00:50:36
Speaker 3: Was that was that okay? You know?

00:50:38
Speaker 12: And I'm like, yeah, man, yeah that was good. But he wants to be coached like he's a player. Like he's like, don't just.

00:50:44
Speaker 3: Tell me what I want to hear.

00:50:46
Speaker 12: I want I want to get better at this. Like he really, I think has an appreciation for not just being I'm Nick Saban and that's enough, but really understanding studio television and how can I be better?

00:50:58
Speaker 3: So I love that out.

00:51:00
Speaker 12: Him because he doesn't have to do that, right, I mean, he's Nick Saban. He can just be Nick Saban, but he wants to really try to study the craft and get good at it.

00:51:06
Speaker 4: Kirk, kurbs Street and Peter is not going to be on the show tonight, right, I.

00:51:10
Speaker 12: Don't think so? Okay, I think he's going to hang on the bus tonight.

00:51:14
Speaker 2: You can watch Kirk tonight College Game Day at five eastern on the Mothership, ABC's coverage NFL Draft beginning at eight eastern. Herbie, thank you for making time again. Yeah, of course, Kirkurbstreet.

00:51:24
Speaker 1: Everybody be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.

00:51:34
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00:52:05
Speaker 2: We'll try to sneak in a few more phone calls here. It's bringing Kurt Warner, Hall of Famer, NFL Network analyst. You can see him on NFL Networks coverage of the Draft Tonight at eight Eastern. We welcome in the two time NFL MVP.

00:52:19
Speaker 1: Perform I'm going going off.

00:52:26
Speaker 7: How's that buddy?

00:52:29
Speaker 4: Kind of in playing shape there?

00:52:32
Speaker 3: I mean pretty good?

00:52:32
Speaker 7: Yeah, feel good?

00:52:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if the helmet's on, we don't see the gray hair, but I might just see you out there playing. You look like you can still like you and Brady if you had like a combine right now, who wins?

00:52:45
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean Brady? Maybe maybe me and Philip Rivers? Maybe I could. I could take Philip. I'm not I'm not sure I'm taking Brady Man. I still looks like he could go. Okay, but throwing good, but I feel good.

00:52:55
Speaker 7: I feel good.

00:52:56
Speaker 4: But throwing ones like could you have done what Philip Rivers did this past year?

00:53:01
Speaker 3: I think all of us old guys when we watched him, said I could do that. It made me go back in my backyard and start throwing it around a little bit, Like if somebody calls, I think I could do this. Okay.

00:53:12
Speaker 2: But if Brenda's looking outside and sees you throw in the football, what she say.

00:53:16
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, I mean, just the fact that she doesn't want me to get hit anymore. That's what she thinks about. Like she could see me throw and be like, yeah, it looks great, but they're still gonna hit you. And the guys are big and fast, So that's that's what she worries about. But I think she looks and says, this guy's make a lot of money, right now, maybe go back for eight games games and let's see what we can get out of this.

00:53:38
Speaker 2: You know, but when you see yourself get hit as opposed to feeling getting hit, Yeah, like how different because we see it and they look like car accidents there. But I don't know how much it hurts in the moment when you get hip it because there's adrenaline going.

00:53:55
Speaker 3: Not very much at all. Like we can watch it on you know, on film and you're like, man, it does look bad, but you remember and you're like, I didn't feel anything. The amazing thing now is obviously you played the game. When I stand on the sidelines now and watch it like you're talking about, I'd sit back and go I can't believe I ever played that game. Like it is like car crashes and the violence.

00:54:16
Speaker 4: But would you rather not know you're gonna get hit it or you see it?

00:54:22
Speaker 3: You don't even you really don't even think about it as a quarterback because you're so focused on everything else. I never once thought, oh, I'm going to get hit. It was just kind of like, hey, throw the football to where you're supposed to throw it, then you take the hit. Like you said, the adrenaline you're more worried about did I complete the ball, what happened on the other end, than the fact that you got hit. So it is an amazing thing. It's as violent and as big, as strong as guys are. Most of the hits you never even field, you never even thought about.

00:54:50
Speaker 2: But you brought up something to me a couple of years ago. You said you welcome to blitz. Oh yeah, because you thought that was to your advantage. That's not normal. I think for quarter, is it that, Hey, I hope you blitz because now I know I got a weak spot over here.

00:55:05
Speaker 3: I don't think it is. I don't think you know. We all have different skills, right, Obviously, there's lots of guys that have physical skills that the ability to run around. My greatest gift was my ability to process information. And so if I could see you coming, I knew that I could always beat you with my mind and with my right arm, And so it made the game easier for me. Like, if you're gonna blitz from over here, you don't have any guys there to cover. As long as I've got a guy who can throw it to the game became easier for me.

00:55:33
Speaker 4: And I know they're blitzing, well, I mean before they blitzed.

00:55:37
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to even be before they blitz. All I have to see is that guy take two steps, and once he's gonna take two steps because he's still a long ways from me, boom, balls out of my hands. I know exactly what my answer is if that guy comes, and to me, it just it made the game easier. It made it more fun. It was a fun challenge to be able to beat that pressure with a throw and it didn't didn't have to be a thirty yard throw down the which I know a lot of people love that. Let's block everybody up, let's throw it down the field. To me, it was more fun that cat and mouse going, oh, you're gonna blitz. You don't think I know, you don't think I have an answer. You come boom, and then they're just frustrated because all you had to do was throw the ball five yards and you pick up fifteen and they're just looking at you like, okay, now, now what do I do? You know, guys in the middle. I used to love to play you know, that game with different guys. I remember, you know a time with Charles Woodson, and I always thought I always thought, you got to you gotta play use their strengths against them. And so one of the great things he was great at was, you know, the slot blitz. And you know, one game we were playing against the Packers in the playoffs, and I knew that he was coming, and so he takes two steps, and he also knew that I knew he was coming. So he took two steps and he stopped because he's like, you're gonna try to throw it behind me, and I'm gonna stop you from doing that. But he blitzed. I was gonna throw it behind him, he stopped. I was able to stop and turn and hit the guy on the backside for a big play. And that, to me is the fun part of the cat and mouse. A guy like Charles with great instincts, you have to match those instincts and use it against him, and that to me was the most fun part of the game.

00:57:10
Speaker 2: But I look at Mendoza and you talk to Mendoza and he seems like a football nerd that he he's like forty years of age. But when you talk about processing, help us understand. I get to the line of scrimmage. What am I processing here? In real time.

00:57:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with Fernando, great thing. I actually met Fernando a number of years ago. He came out to my house to train right when he was taken over as the starter at cal and so same exuberance for the game, same passion for the game. No, my son was not a cal No, just a trainer. Brought him over to our house and so okay, so yeah, just training with him. But all the stuff that you see he's when a camera's on him is the same person I saw years ago that he just wanted to be great at the game. So it's been fun to watch that sension. And when you talk about the processing.

00:58:03
Speaker 4: Point, but what you teaching him, I mean we're working on everything.

00:58:07
Speaker 3: We're on the field and we're talking about technique and we're working on different throws. Then we would go you know into you know, on the board, and I would talk him through how I prepared and what I saw and when a coach gave me a play. These were the checklists that I would go through to make sure that I had the answers. So the stuff that we're talking about the processing part of it, I had all the answers to the test and all I needed to know was what the defense was going to do and then boom, I could respond to it. So we talked about all of that stuff and so it's been fun to watch that process and stay connected with them over the years. And you know, again back to your question about processing, there are so many different things that you're seeing. Every play is different, you know, depending on what the concept is. There's different things that I'm looking at. Is there a safety here? Is the corner in an off position? Are they going to bring pressure? Who can possibly bring pressure? There's times I'm looking at linebackers. You know, if the linebackers are a little out of position, it makes you go, okay, why is he bossed over there? The safety must be dropping down here, So I know I've got this available to me. So there's so many different aspects to it that it's not just Hey, I come up to the line on every play and I'm looking at this, and then I'm looking at everything is different. You give me the play and I can tell you exactly what I'm looking for when I go up there, what the keys are to throw it to this side or that side, How I'm going to respond versus different coverages that I may see that's all part of the processing, and again that's the fun part of the game. To me, that's you know, I know for some guys it's probably you know, running around and making a forty yard run or throwing the ball forty To me, it's what are you going to do? Can I respond accordingly in two seconds and get the ball to you know, the guy on my team that's going to give us the best chance to win.

00:59:46
Speaker 2: Kurt Wonder, the Hall of Famer. You can see him tonight NFL Network coverage of the NFL Draft. They start at eighty eastern. Trying to assess as a quarterback. Are you better at assessing defaul backs or wide receivers?

01:00:03
Speaker 3: I would say probably wide receivers. You know, being around so many great ones over the years, I think I have a better sense of what I'm looking for, you know, what makes them great or the little things and the nuance to that position that that I think can make you successful at the other level, not as good at some of the positions that that I wasn't, you know, quite as.

01:00:25
Speaker 2: Close to yeah, because I always wondered about that, like why aren't catchers better hitters because they're they're catching every pitch. They're seeing every batter there. And I wondered that with a quarterback of you know, you see these defensive backs, you know what they're going to do. Strength and weakness is what's like that one wide receiver? Is there one wide receiver? If I say, you can have any wide receiver in the history of the NFL.

01:00:49
Speaker 3: Oh, the history of the NFL. Yeah, I mean I'm taking Jerry Rice, Okay. And I played with a lot of great ones, obviously a lot of Hall of famers, but Jerry was just so good at so many differferent things. How definitive he was running routes. There was never a misstep. Obviously you know the amount of success that he had. But you know, the interesting thing when you talk about dbs, I had never worried about the most physically talented dB. The guys I worried about were the guy's instincts. And so even when I'm watching tape and breaking down for the draft, I'm looking at guys and going, Okay, can they play with their eyes? How quickly do they react through something? Can they can they read, you know, route recognition and understand where to go with it? Those guys, to me were the hardest guys to play against, the guys that were big, strong and fast. It was like, all right, we can counter that. What was hard to counter was guys that could see and react to things that were that were different than other guys.

01:01:42
Speaker 4: So Troy, Paulamalo, and Ed Reid.

01:01:44
Speaker 3: Exactly those guys, Charles Woodson.

01:01:45
Speaker 2: But they are all the other guys they're not they're their own defensive coordinator.

01:01:50
Speaker 3: Well that's because they're seeing things and doing things that nobody else does. So you think they can't see that, they they don't know what's going on. And then all of a sudden, you know, I remember playing against Troy in the Super Bowl and you know, he'd be down on one side of the field, you know, like he was in a drop position, maybe even a blitz position, and right on the snap he goes running back to a cover two position and you're like, that's not even possible. Now, if you know that and understand that, you can take advantage of it. But there were so many times that you thought one thing, and then he just goes running off and, like you said, doing something completely different and is actually able to accomplish it. You know, most guys that did that would be like, Okay, that guy tries to do that, we're gonna kill him. A guy like Troy or Ed they do that, and they find a way to get into that position because they know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing.

01:02:43
Speaker 2: Juxtapose losing a super Bowl to winning a super Bowl.

01:02:46
Speaker 4: How high is the high? How low is the low?

01:02:51
Speaker 3: I mean, winning is always going to be better than you know, I mean, the high of winning is always going to be better than the low of losing. But I'll say this, unfortunately, always bring this up, I think. But I lost two super Bowls, so you know, a lot to talk about. But I would say that the difference of the two super Bowls that I lost was also the expectation going in the loss to the Patriots when we were fourteen point favorites, and you know, really we were the better football team week in and week out roster wise, and we didn't play our best football. And so going through that game and knowing you didn't play your best in the biggest moment hangs with you a lot longer than when I lost with the Cardinals, and we weren't supposed to win, We weren't even supposed to be there, you know, and here we are with two and a half minutes to go and we're leading in the super Bowl. You know, it hurts to lose that one, but because of how far we had traveled and what we had accomplished, it didn't hurt as much because there was a lot of pride in what we had accomplished. The one of the Patriots is probably the game that I still think about of all the games that I played more than any others. You know, if I could have just done this different or that different, you know, how you could be a two times super Bowl champion. So that low was pretty low compared to to the other one.

01:04:08
Speaker 4: Paul, bring out Tom Brady here and.

01:04:12
Speaker 3: All kinds of things to talk about, don't we Maybe we just throw it here. Maybe there's some competition.

01:04:18
Speaker 2: What happens, what happens when you see Brady? And there's any You guys don't open up a scrapbook, do you?

01:04:25
Speaker 3: We know, we don't. I don't even go back to that game at all. We don't talk about it.

01:04:30
Speaker 4: If you played them ten times, how many times do you win?

01:04:34
Speaker 3: I think we win at least eight of those?

01:04:36
Speaker 7: Okay?

01:04:37
Speaker 3: If yeah? If not, yeah, I mean we were the better team, but we didn't play our best. And it's the hard thing about the Super Bowl is that when you show up, you're there for you know, sometimes one week, sometimes two weeks, and every time you turn on the TV, they're telling you how you're going to play and if you're going to win. And so for two weeks we heard how we were going to kill the Patriots, and it really felt like as we got into that game, we had a lot of guys that you kind of believe, Hey, we just need to show up and we're going to win. And so, yeah, Tom and I don't we don't talk about that much. You know, we were we were at the front end of starting that Patriots dynasty and stopping our own. So it was a bit of a bummer, but uh, you know, but fortunate that I was able to get back and play three of those things.

01:05:20
Speaker 4: But you're a Hall of Famer though.

01:05:22
Speaker 3: It's yeah, I mean, I am going on. I don't need to grade, but I'd rather won three Super Bowls. I'd rather be a three time super Bowl champion. But you're right, it's it's it's great, it's it.

01:05:34
Speaker 4: Okay, I can give you three super Bowls, but you're not a Hall of Famer. I'll take the three super bowl Okay, yeah, yeah, I think that's it.

01:05:41
Speaker 3: But it's also be pretty hard to keep you hard to keep me out if I won three super Bowls. But but yes, I'd take the three super Bowls.

01:05:48
Speaker 2: I thought Ben was going to be the MVP in the game in the Super Bowl against you guys. Yeah, like that throw that he had to san Antonio Holmes.

01:05:56
Speaker 3: I mean the throw, the catch, I mean the two minute drill, I mean the fact that he didn't get both feet down, all the different things.

01:06:04
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, you're in Pittsburgh.

01:06:08
Speaker 4: You're in Pittsburgh.

01:06:09
Speaker 3: I'm still looking for visual evidence. People, where's the evidence. I know I'm in Pittsburgh. I love you, guys.

01:06:16
Speaker 4: Santonio Holmes didn't get both feet down?

01:06:18
Speaker 3: I actually don't. I mean, and I mean, first of all, it was so close. Secondly, in those moments, what you love is that, you know, I thought we played a great game. We came back and got the lead, but it was a couple of great players making a great play in the moment to win the Super Bowl. Like that's what it should be if if we're gonna lose, that's the way you want to. I mean it was I couldn't even believe Ben through the ball because we have three defenders there, and then to put it in that position in Santonio be able to make I mean, it was just you just have to tip your hat to great players. And so I was fortunate to play in three great Super Bowls, right, one that came down to a yard one that was the first Super Bowl that was won on the last play the game against the Patriots, and then that one against Pittsburgh. And that's what you want. Two best teams playing a great football game. Comes down to great players making great plays, and you just have to tip your hat to them. I mean, it was just an unbelievable play.

01:07:14
Speaker 2: What's the call to Larry Fitzgerald for the touchdown that gave you the lead?

01:07:18
Speaker 4: Do you remember the call?

01:07:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we were we were basically in our two minute drills, so we had we had concepts on both sides. So to his side, it was a concept that we called under so his little five yard en route and Kwan was over the top of them, who would run a twelve yard in or he had the ability if they played man coverage to break out and So what made that play so great was a Kwan pushed up. It was man coverage. He broke out. Troy Palamlu was the safety there. He jumped and Kwan, you know, on the out portion of it. So you know, Larry beat Ike Taylor on the little under and so as soon as I hit him, there's out nobody in the middle of the field, and so, I mean, it was it was cool. I remember just running over to the sideline and you know, of course we had some people that hadn't played in the Super Bowl and lost on the last play of the game. But everybody's like, we just won a super Bowl and I'm like, no, there's two minutes ago. Just just to hang on, just you know. But but I mean, it was so cool that excitement because nobody did expect us to be there. Nobody expected to ever say that Cardinals are going to win the Super Bowl, and so we had that moment. Unfortunately it was it was short lived, but uh but yeah, I was. You still remember that pretty vividly.

01:08:31
Speaker 4: Are you glad you came by today?

01:08:34
Speaker 3: I am. You know, there's just certain things that there's always gonna be a constant reminder you come to Pittsburgh. What are we going to talk about?

01:08:42
Speaker 8: Right?

01:08:42
Speaker 3: You cover the Super Bowl, you know you're gonna hear about a little bit. But again, I have those experience to pull from, so I always loved being on with you.

01:08:51
Speaker 4: Played in three super Bowl that's right, They're a Hall of fame. There you go, you're two time MVP.

01:08:56
Speaker 3: Right, we could talk about the one. I want a little bit more though, I'm.

01:09:00
Speaker 2: Just I'm just saying we are out of time, out of time. Nobody wants to hear about a victory. Come on, we want pain, we want tears. Here Kurt Tonight NFL Network coverage twenty twenty six Draft. They started eight Eastern Kurt Warner.

01:09:17
Speaker 4: Everybody