Club 520 - Evan Turner on guarding Derrick Rose, playing with Isaiah Thomas, Jayson Tatum’s Paris Olympics

The volume. All right, we're back man, another episode of 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.840 Club five to twenty Podcasts. This ain't even a guest. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:12.719 We gotta film me in the building. Man, we've been 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.160 waiting for this episode for a minute. Man introduced my 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.880 man's last. To my far left, my dog Bi should 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.360 be hearing out the pre least how you would nasty cool. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.119 And Phoenix Baby, let's get to it for show. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.279 To my right, my dog young not Cho, young tig. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:26.400 How you what I'm chilling? 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:26.560 Bro? 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.080 You already know I'm right right here. It's my dog 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:36.080 the door. I ain't gonna hold you, j R. I 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.920 got the special you know special pack from j My 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.239 boy Dang hooked us up. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:40.400 Man. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:41.600 We in formula zero. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.159 We all here. You love it. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:44.240 Is Man till my left. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.880 Man, we got a big ten legend on Higo State legend, 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.519 longtime NBA vet and the man of the Point for 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.000 a podcast. We got at Evan Turner in the building. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.040 Big dog appreciate you sliding on his brother. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.480 And appreciate y'all. Man, y'all invited me. Like I said, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.720 I was touched, but it took so long to pull 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.480 up because I didn't want to give you y'all stink 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:01.000 er interview. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:07.600 Hold on, Bro, that's so long to come up. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.200 I was like, Man, I don't know if I can 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.120 really they pause be popping. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.280 I don't know if I dull it down or not. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:20.880 We follow you on Twitter, Elite Twitter. It's my best word, that's. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.839 My best work. Sometimes I'd be like, Bro, are people 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.120 watching when I'm posting? Because I'm going crazy? And what 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:35.280 you're saying a circuit if you think about it, Bro, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.960 that beat it. Next wave of back niggas want to 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.480 be no more. We would have lost the serviet. It 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.800 would have been over. And I'm like, Bro, they could 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:47.280 be some nigga's name Lebron like Nia just being some 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:53.720 nigga name. Lebron is over for us, y'all because I'm 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:58.600 being dead. Seriously, let's start off with the. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.880 Order of my dog. 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.520 This story goes way back for me because I remember 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.240 meeting Et when I was like sophomore in high school. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.640 Freshman in high school. He played for the Illinois Wolves. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:10.799 Bro. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.040 They had nice jersey uniform, team was all put together 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.320 and here I come with these nappy braids, reversible jerseys, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.840 our own shorts, and were playing against Evan and Dimitri 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.919 and they used to beat our assy. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.400 We used to practice, they had plays. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.600 We should just come to the tournament now, But I 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.519 knew et since back then. Man, it's dope to see 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.200 where you came from there to now. It's crazy as hell. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:40.520 See. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.480 Yeah, it's funny because you know, even back in that tournament, uh, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.000 you know, back in the day, like if you like 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.000 an unsigned senior, you could play AAU. So we were 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.320 playing seventeen or under, but we were sixteen, and I 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.600 remember like just seeing the jerseys, not really knowing like 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.560 who he was. But I'm like, oh, he he picking 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.919 our pockets like Buddy Dunk and Ship Buddy, you know 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:03.520 what I mean, like just giving us pure hells on 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.480 my head. I'm like, he got to be an unsigned senior. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.040 So while we're playing Ship, I'm kind of like, hey, bro, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.320 like we can play over here, Ship, Like we got 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.880 jersey like everything like Bush. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.920 He said that the middle of the game, Bro, like 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.680 you can play with us, Bro, we got jerseys. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:20.640 I said, that's wrong with this. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.600 You want to go to rebound to rebod cam like everything. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:25.240 I don't. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.400 I don't know. So once that game's over, we're like, Bro, 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.079 Buddy's so cold. So we talked to our AU coach. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.760 I'm like, well, where is he supposed to go? This' like, bro, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.160 that kid is your age? Like that kid is my age. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.240 So like when we're sitting I'm like, bro, that's no 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.440 cat Gee. We all said you was better than d 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:41.240 Rose at the time. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.960 Niggas was true, don't That's how good she was playing 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.600 it right, So we might in some moments, but. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.880 No that hey, we must have been living to you 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.720 because he was killing us. And I just remember sitting 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.880 there and always just remembering, uh, find out you are 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.560 my age and just being like, man, it's gonna be 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.960 a tough climb up if I got the battlever time. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.480 And we go to AU. We go to a b 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.200 C D camp and like our whole team was just 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.080 like every tournament you were in. We were just paying 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.840 attention to you and be like what the tea kid do? 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.320 What the t kid do? I remember my a you 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.440 turn coach telling Skip Prosser like you might want the Meitri. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.760 This is the one Noyea. I remember, like literally like 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.800 the Metri is the coldest dude ever seen. And we're 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.560 like like chost Cap, like that dude over there that 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:31.000 only like to play every other game. It's the truth. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.640 He was just showing up like like a B C 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.159 D camp and not look interesting, like you know, we 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:39.760 try and change our lives, right. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.279 But you know it's just my look, bro, how I 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.479 really feel? I just looked like that home was killing. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:56.200 That's saying with an your age, ask you over there, SI. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.600 You know I went to the tournament. We're still unsigned, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.800 so I'm expecting every tournament to look like some ship 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.760 on TV. Like, so I want to go change my life. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.640 So when I'm showing up, they got reversible jerseys. This 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.840 ain't this ain't it? 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:13.280 Bro? 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:14.760 I can't get jiggy. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:25.120 With him, like Mike. I'm like, man, and I might 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:26.200 do with the four X. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:28.360 Yeah. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:35.120 J Williams never gonna crazy and yeh and that was 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.680 nearly Jeff T and no funny ship. I had been 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.480 a fan ever since then. You're like sixteen years old. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.920 That was in Louisville, Kentucky. Was you already that guy 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:44.400 around that time too? Though? 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:44.960 Uh? 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:50.680 Yeah he was Yeah, he was were talking, bro, he was. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.800 I was mean, he can handle the ball, so we like, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.479 damn this nigga six seven would handle like he always 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.760 had that right to left that left to right. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:05:59.640 That mug was mean. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.320 Yeah, we like, I'm like, damn he tall ship dripping 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.359 the ball the point because when he was coming in 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:07.600 the game, we thought he was gonna be like the 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.320 power forward and he handling the rock and the little 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.040 white dudes was just run around shooting threes, and him 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:14.680 and Dimitri got the ball. We like, we ain't got 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.720 nobody to guard, so he used to kill us. And 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.080 I'll nerve forget like the Metri cold and you know, 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.240 feel like, nah heat the cold when lookout tall he is. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.080 And that's how we became fans. And we was like, damn, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.760 I just kept up with him. And when I see 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.720 him go to Old State, I'm like them we going 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.040 there with because we thought Michael was staying. So I'm like, 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.120 damn me going there with Mike and them. That's crazy, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.880 But I'll let you keep going DJ. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.440 And that was That's pretty much it. Bro. I just 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.880 remember going back to those days and like how loaded 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.960 paul As that class was even then. What I'm saying, like, 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.800 we thought she was better than Dee Rose, but they 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.880 had like Chris Wright, they had you know what I mean, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.359 Jay Lucas's so they had damn and everybody. It was 0:06:55.400 --> 0:07:00.440 tough to make All American games and oh yeah, yeah, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:06.440 j was trapped. But growing up in Indianapolis around that time, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:07.760 it was probably pire hell. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.920 Ship probably signed for you in Chicago, like, oh yeah, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.920 the Rose is prown. Yeah what's that like? Though, Like 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.960 in high school, competing against d Rose. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:22.200 It was you gotta think he was he was d 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.880 Rose back then. So I remember the first time I 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.880 ever really seen him. Uh, we had like an eighth 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.440 grade All star game and it's like West Suburbs vers 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.880 West Side, South Suburbs for South Side and I think 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.560 like Northwest down State. So I was playing on the 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.640 West Side team, so I was playing in a different games. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.200 But I remember being in the back and I see 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.040 like a trophy and it's like player of the Year 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.600 Derek Rose. I'm like, well, who the player of the 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.040 year Derek Rose? Who the hell is Dereck Rose? Type stuff? 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.800 Like why would he get a whole trophy? And I'm 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.240 here type ship, That's what I like. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:57.160 Yeah. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.640 Then like before you know it, Buddy just pulled up 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.559 and dunking everything. He goes to Semeon. He wasn't allowed 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.920 to play his freshman year, but then once a sophomore 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.120 year hit. He was he was God and everybody else 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.800 is just them, like you know what I mean. So 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.040 I was a distant second when we grew up playing. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.000 But to grow up and play in the city of Chicago, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.520 it's just crazy across Pat bed too. Yeah, Pat Bad. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.880 People don't man Pat Bad to me. You can say 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.160 d Rose is out there g but Pat Bad was 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.640 throwing up forty yeah, publicly taking out everybody. So I 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.920 thought it was pretty dope. We had like a lot 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.920 of dope talent during that time. And when you see 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.960 what they're doing now. You look at John Shire during 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.000 that time, he was by far head over heels better 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.640 than everybody until d Rose took him out. He's shipped 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:48.360 the coach a duke. Yeah. Collins left period Kan and 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.040 then this player at Kansas. You look at Jake Pulling. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.400 People forget Jake pulling all the time and scored from there. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.520 It was that high school my fault that he went to. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.280 Jake Pulling went to provide who was that big man 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.840 from there, Brian Carwell, We went to Saint Joe. Yes, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:10.160 that was my bad. I just had a moment, Yeah. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.960 Because he came to Indiana and yeah, bro, and then 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.520 that turned to Greg Golden and Mike Conley and that 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.079 was like a big deal. So, you know, around that time, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.520 growing up in Chicago, I think like there's like twenty 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.480 players in the top twenty from the state that went 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.600 D one, so you know what I mean. So I 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.120 was playing versus a bunch of kids in the Big 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.800 ten and I grew up playing Verse since I was 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:29.520 ten years old. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:30.640 That's a show. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.160 And it was so crazy in the city, especially in 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.520 that time period at oh five or six oh seven. Yeah, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.200 because you go from Josh McRoberts to Mike and Greg 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.079 and then yeah, we had a. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.480 Brough And I remember talking to Brad Stevens. He was 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.960 just saying, like I would go recruit like from Butler, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:46.640 not trying to go get them, but I would wait 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.920 to go see a guy play Verse something and be like, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.400 if they do decent, I know they're pretty good, because 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.320 these dudes are going to be NBA Hall of Famers, 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:54.840 you know what I mean. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:55.600 It's crazy. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.439 What was it like you had the battle? What was 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.199 it like coming up in that time? Did that kind 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.800 of kill your confiden and that you weren't Mike Nah? 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.240 You know, because like you was cold. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.320 Bro, Noah, because like Mike Mike, Dad's the reason our 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.680 game confidence because I used to have good games against Mike, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.160 but I was like a hood hooper like. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:14.600 And shit like that. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.640 So like when I played again, so I just wanted 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.880 to crossing because I knew everybody's gonna talk about it 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.720 like I'm just gonna crossing. But then I started getting 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.120 competitive and I was scoring stuff. But I ain't never 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:26.800 look at it like that. They were just Gregg and 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.240 Mike to me, Like I didn't really know they was 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.480 like a big, big deal until I went to Vegas 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.800 and I've seen how people was treating them. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.720 I'm like, oh, dya shit, like you know be here, were. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.640 Like oh that's great. Oh they can't go outside. Though 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.120 I can go outside like I'm in with my friendly 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.600 at the parties in the streets. They can't do that. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.640 So it didn't look fun to me to beat them. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.280 But then when I seen kind of love they was 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.640 getting everywhere else, like they got rebock deals, and I'm like, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.040 oh yeah, they getting the real love. I'm getting the 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.559 booties is getting tirked on at the club. They get 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.280 the real stuff, So it wouldn't ain't mean nothing until 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.079 I got to there and I'm like, I gotta figure 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.840 it out. Then Coach Conley kind of put a battery 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.319 in my back, like you just as good as them, man, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.760 it's his son, you Like, damn you think I'm good 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:16.000 as hell? 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:16.240 Mere? 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.880 Like yeah, you should have all these offers too. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.240 And I'm like, shit, he gassed me, and he gassed 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.560 me to a whole nother level to be honest. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.560 No, that's hard, bro, Yeah, that's definitely hard. 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:27.640 Shout to coach Connley. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.040 Man for sure, Like you said, man going crazy in Chicago. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:32.480 How'd you end up at Ohio State? 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.920 Sid? Uh? My dad's from Ohio. So every summer else 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.559 like nine to ten, I would go visit him in Columbus. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.560 So I would go to like Ohio State sports camps 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.080 and I go to like Clark Kellar camp and he 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.880 was like a big deal at the time. Yeah, so 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.440 in the summertime, I kind of when I first went there, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.000 like I kind of knew, like how big of a deal, 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.760 Like people like mess with the buck eye. So you 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.640 fast forward like senior, like six years later, We're playing 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.240 at the King James Tournament and I'm playing versus some 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.080 white pigeon toe dude, and he's like the state. He 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.760 just scored seventy seven points. His name is John Diebler. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.600 So we're playing versus each other and I'm looking at stands. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.560 There's a bunch of like scouts and coaches there, so 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.800 apparently thad models there. So you know when you're young 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.200 and they telling you like, hey, you're about to play 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.560 for the best. Dude whatever he did, so you know, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.640 you go out. You're like this white dude like, man, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.640 I'm finna put on for the hood. So buddy, come out. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.920 He get me like five straight threes and then like 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.600 you know, like they had a burner. Yeah, burner like volleyball. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.040 I had never seen somebody just like dribbling down the 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.120 court and like pull out. He wasn't looking at the line, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.000 he was just pulling out of nowhere. Now. I was like, bro, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.760 this dude is different, and luckily I played well. That 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.680 was like a Saturday. By that Thursday, I was on 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:56.199 Ohio State campus and should I got offered. I went 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.240 to NBA camp in June. I was like, bro, I 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.880 gotta go somewhere. That's it was a dumb ass decision 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.640 that should have just went to Wisconsin or Illinois. But 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.800 I'm like, Okay, day Kwon Cook, Mike Conley, all of 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.480 them at All State. I got to get ready and 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.080 go there. But it was just like the boys pauses loaded. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.119 But at the same time, like you think about my trajectory, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:17.960 If like day Kwan Cook would have never left that 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.480 first year, I might have been sitting for a year 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.280 and a half two years. But I just thought when 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.240 I was a kid that the thought of competition and 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.080 being from Chicago, I thought like a top recruiting class 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.199 or somewhere big I would be able to perform at 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.720 and that should just worked out for sure. Incoming class though, 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.000 yeah worked out. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.079 They definitely worked out. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.640 I was nice. What was the thirty three's name I had? 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.240 I forgot his name, It was John Die twenty three 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:49.840 is David, Yeah had Will Beuford. Yeah. Will ended up 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.160 like the second time all leading scored dealer ing up 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.560 breaking the conference three point record, and Dave was like 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.280 the all time winner or whatever. I was cold and 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:05.120 was played year. Yeah, and uh you know we finished 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.000 eg sellinger is the best ever do it man. He 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.400 was so coold. I didn't play with him, but the 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.200 next year he really killed it. But you know, during 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.960 that time, I just felt like the Big ten was 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.360 something I was really familiar with, and you know, just 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.480 going close to home was a big deal and that 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.120 was really it. But when I look back on that, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.840 acc Ball might have been more fun, bro, what was 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.080 definitely fun. I was trying to go to n C State, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.520 to be honest with you, and then, uh, you actually 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.720 fit them, That's what I'm saying. I saw Julius Hodge. Yeah, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.360 they had to do Brandon Kysler, Yeah, straight, but right 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.920 had committed and Syndackett eventually ended up dipping. But uh yeah, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.960 and then I was either that or Waite Force, which 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:50.120 was you know coach Prosser and uh, what's the Italian coach? Yeah, Gottiyo. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.400 We were on there, but we pulled up the wait 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.760 Forest and you know, our coach asked about like the 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.440 black population, and there's like I think the guys go 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.960 across the street to with some sale. We did, and 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.040 my coach was like, nah, bro, you ain't supposed to 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:10.960 leave campus. Okay. It's like as a white man, I'm offended. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:19.480 I remember what. I remember what I said to wake Force. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.040 He said that he was like, there ain't no black 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.840 people on there, and he was like, y'all got said 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.040 at the front of the classroom. I was like, damn, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.080 I went to the wake Forest. We had legitimate at 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:28.960 the front of the classroom. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.040 Damn, bro he set it tightened up. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:32.640 I used to go to one same on State here 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:33.960 the other day. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:36.560 So there's a lot of black people. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:37.360 Stay with you. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.920 It's decent, MOMMI. You could count on everybody being from Cleveland, 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.160 you know what I mean. The state is from Cleveland, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.440 but there's some niggas in Cleveland. Yeah, but it's a 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.000 decent vibe. I think college is cool for what it was. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.840 I learned a lot and you know, but the real 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.480 gig was just trying to get to the league. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.240 Yeah for sure. I mean you get off the subject. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.920 But you know, I'm saying I l money shit going on, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.720 especially how you played in college, what you did. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.400 Yeah, you you might have said that year for the 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:02.160 little check you check. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.280 I probably would have flamed out way quicker because I 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.960 be able to handle, you know, everything that came at me, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:18.240 the craft, the crack, Johnny Manzil, all right, Marcus George, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.880 I would have died like girl saying he got a game. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:36.239 I can already read and write schools. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:41.760 Not right, Oh, Ship, obviously you know what I'm saying. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.720 You know what I'm saying. You go on drift night. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.280 How was that process for you? 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.160 Because you know what I'm saying, you number two pick, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.920 and that was it was a cool, you know process 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.920 when I hear everybody else's horror stories, you know, but 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:54.880 I was blessed. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.920 It was cool. I did one workout and when the 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:04.080 balls dropped, Paul, we were we knew that I would 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.200 go to Philly because John Wall was legit. So John 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.359 Wall was a consensus and I just knew, like when 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.520 number two dropted, oh I guess I'll be a Philadelphia 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.520 or whatever. So luckily that was the case, and we 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.920 went and did a workout, and you know, everything worked 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.600 well until the first game and then you know, life change. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:26.359 What happened. 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:32.240 No, just like Ship was real, Like I was supposed 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:39.959 to come in and be brun right, perfect live. I 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.480 had to go talk to my sponsors. So when people 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.480 are like y'all got partners like I don't have, Like 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.960 I didn't have them by the second year. So what 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.080 did you think he was coming to? You was gonna 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.199 be the man on Philly because you know it's cold, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.600 you know what's wrong. You weren't saying clearly, but that 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:56.640 was iggy Enham team. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:58.680 You got drafted to a tough team. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.840 Got honest with you. I'm just joking. I got drafted 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.680 to a really good team in a really good situation. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.119 And when I thought at Philly, I was like, no, 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.400 I want to go to Golden State at number seven 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.920 because I wanted to play with Steph like Paul is 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.960 really really bad, and uh, I just knew the fit 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.480 and I knew Dre wasn't no slouch. But back in 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.560 the day, people forget we just started going into this 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.840 team ball like before it was like a couple of 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.560 years before that, like the Trailblazers didn't draft KD because 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.400 I adn't think b Roy and KD like it had 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.240 to be one alpha guard, one alpha big type situation. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.640 So when it came down to it, like I really 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.640 just showed up and it was like there was ah, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.040 you know, it's Dre's team, and you kind of got 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.000 like really fit in getting where you fit in. So 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.600 that development of what you saw John wall Get. I'm 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.840 not saying I've been John Waller, even Wes C. Johnson. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.359 He was in Minnesota cracking and you know, getting getting 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.199 crazy opportunity. But it was it was a cool, you 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.200 know experience, and that was probably one of my favorite teams. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:58.000 Who grabbed like not grabbed you. That's crazy, but right 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.399 what what if it really took you on? Today Winnings 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:01.679 gave the game. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.080 Right away. Yeah, right away, right away, Lou will shout 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.359 out to Lou. Yeah the uh, I think he just 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:11.680 took a liking into me because I just thought he 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.760 was like, bro, what's to this man? You know? But 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.600 I remember like the first one of the first couple 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.560 of days, he picked me up and we went to 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.760 the gun range and then he just took me around 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.560 the city. And you know, that's the first real time 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.640 I ever got drunk was with Lou Williams and damn Lou. Yeah, 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.320 but but it was some real stuff. So I was 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.240 chopping it up. I was going through like some rough 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.639 rookie stuff and I'm talking about like I'm in the dumps. So, uh, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.879 we losing Philly, you know, Doug Collins is you know, 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.240 he's definitely ah, you know, being tough on me in 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.240 a sense. We losing Philly, Landy Detroit so it's like, uh, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.960 meet me in a lobby in twenty minutes. It's not 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.480 an option. So I meet him in lobby. We go 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.680 next door at the bar and he's just like, you 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.000 got like eight shots lined up type of ship, and 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.760 he's like you should start and talk. He's like, look, bruh, 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.080 this game of bout aastball source to be fun. It 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.800 shouldn't be up and down. Like if you bring this 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.199 ship home with you, you're gonna be mad every single 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.120 goddamn day. He's like, you ain't have fun since you've 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.000 been here. It's like, just let that shit go be 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.600 who you're gonna be. But like, you can't bring this 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.200 shit home with you, like you don't literally let your 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.320 head explode. And he's like that's it. Just go out there, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.960 try hoop if a nest from there, but like you 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.240 can really hoop. And I was like all right, bet, 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.840 and he's like, okay, now make sure you finished the shot. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.280 So like so I had like so that, like I 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.440 took like two or three shots like off the bat. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.600 But I remember like Lou was somebody I could always 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.040 rely on or relate to because he had went through 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.399 everything as a player, Like when I was tripping practice 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.359 and be like, man, you got me, you got me 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.280 running your plays. I ain't run them in the game. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.480 He'd be like, motherfucker. Like when I was your age, 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.680 they would take me out of practice and a coach 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.720 for practice. You understand what I'm saying. So like, so 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:53.320 when it came down to it, it's like I got 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.720 real game from him. Eldon Brand was super cool and 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.639 then obviously Iguodala. We had a butt hit to start, 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.119 but eventually towards the end of my first year, we 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.000 became my brothers. Like by the fourth year, you know, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.240 we didn't even play on the same team. I was 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.520 the best man in his widding. And then you know 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.800 when he had his daughter, you know, he named her Evan, 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.239 and it was like, I thought this so like when 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.119 we got to that level of like friendship and like connecting, 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.400 I just felt like we had like a relationship that's 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.520 just bigger than basketball. And that was what I really 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.439 took from those vets because even my ups and down times, 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.480 I could always count on them and depend on them, 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.040 even if I felt like I didn't have a friend 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:41.200 all right, So after them shots of and j Yeah, 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.760 ship shots though. 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:54.359 It was honey, I was saying, Petron is Petronney, That's 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:55.720 what I'm saying, and that I had a shot of 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.160 Cranberry and I was, so. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:21:59.920 When did you start getting comfortable in the league? Though? 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.640 What I think there's different levels of comfort, not even 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.640 so much playing, but so much is just like saying, 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.440 forgetting accepting my role. You know. I think one thing 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:12.520 that occurred was I came in super early speak. When 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.199 you listen to your ages and stuff, you're trying to 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.320 carry a brand. So yeah, I could have been like 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.359 a prima digna type shit, and I was. But I 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.280 think one thing when I started getting comfortable is just 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.880 really buying into like the team atmosphere and really accepting 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.480 my role and not really worried about like what people think, 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.680 and just trying to go from worry about being great 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.280 to just getting good each day, but also just swimming. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.680 You know, when you get selected high, like you look 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.520 at Anthony Bennett, they cut you know, Andy Bennet could 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.480 still be good, but like they undercome quick and like, bro, 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.159 you're sad, like you needed like two thorough years. He 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.359 was done within like twenty games and shit. So I 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.240 was just on some like sink or swim and like 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.160 try to figure out how to be the best player 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:51.520 I could. 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:53.640 And that's one thing that they don't speak about a lot, 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.360 is like when you come in the league, especially when 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.359 you have expectations, is there's no time for you to 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.480 fuck up, and you have to be less to be 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.760 in a good organization or to have good vets. If 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:04.280 you don't have either one of them, or if you 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.399 don't have both, hit can get real spooky. And then, 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.159 like you said, you bring work home with you, you all 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:09.520 in your head trying to play basketball. 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:10.800 You forget how good you off that shit. 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.480 I'm playing in Philly, bro that the worst fans ever. Yeah, 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.040 I'm playing in Philly. Is definitely different. So I felt 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.320 as though like being in Philly for that little bit 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.920 of time really kind of not saying like made us 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:24.919 sick on a sense of how I like viewed the 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:26.680 game of basketball. I was just like, you know, kind 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.119 of like fuck it, I'm gonna have fun with it. 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.320 But once I left fifth Philly, there was nothing ever 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.000 that serious that was like that bad or tough because 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.280 all that pressure there was od yea, I was supposed 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.560 to be the number two pick and do whatever I 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:42.320 went complete opposite and they had to like conteenue to swim, 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.040 you know what I'm saying. After my fourth year in 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.639 the league, dudes were signing for thirty some million and 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.320 I'm all for two hundred and fifty thousand, you know 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.520 what I mean. Like when dudes were signing, like I'm 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.400 trying to it was damn there like September, I damn, 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:57.720 they didn't have a place to go. Dam I'm twenty 0:23:57.760 --> 0:23:59.880 five years old. Like people are hitting the streets, asked 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:03.240 you staying in the league or going overseas? M hm. 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.280 So when you're sitting down, you're like, damn, just four 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:07.840 years ago, I had ship popping. But you know what 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:09.399 I mean. So like I just felt like I had 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:11.800 to really you know, lock in, buckle in, but like 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.480 almost on like some ship Entourage ship. When it came 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:19.240 to Anny Chase, like bro, I'm not getting I'm not 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.280 getting lead roles no more, you know what I'm saying. 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:25.240 And that was just like the real thing. Where was 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:26.160 you off to next? 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:26.680 Portland? 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.360 I ended up going to Boston. 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:35.120 And that's when when you h that's why, Yeah. 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:36.520 That's when the band came. 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:43.639 Everybody can came together. Boy. 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.760 Uh, we had Uh, we definitely had two years in Boston. 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:48.919 It was definitely fun and you know it, it had uh 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.159 obviously reunited a feeling for me enjoy playing basketball and 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.680 also had uh had a great foundation for a landing point. 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.439 When I was done, I still go to Boston. You know, 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.240 you get get mad love and at the same time 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.280 have opportunities to still you know, it's been Uh, my 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.400 position and game of basketball just help for sure. 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.040 Man, we got we're gonn fast too far. We got 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:11.560 to talk about y'all linoking up in Boston. 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:17.720 Man, It's to be honest with you. Gee, Like I 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:19.720 thought it was cool. I knew Jeff was cool, but 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.120 I used to be like, bro, if you're this funny, 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:26.880 why do you not show that, like, like literally show 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:28.960 people that. Like I thought he's the funniest dude on earth. 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.960 Now I thought he was nice, and Uh, the funniest 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:36.240 thing about Boston I was waiting around to Uh. It 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.080 was either I was gonna retire or I was waiting 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.359 for Boston, like I ain't have no chances. And Brad 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.520 was kind of like, maybe I'll throw you a bone. 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:44.919 So like when it came down between me and Jeff, 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.399 I'm talking like poor Allen's like, man, it's between you 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.240 and Jeff. I'm like, well, y'all should just take Jeff 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.760 because I'm not better than Jeff. Like if y'all trying 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:54.400 to win a championship, I'm like, bro, that's just that's 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.480 O D. So then we show up and like they 0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.600 take Jeff and like I'm just like, all right, I 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.919 guess I'll on the coaching pretty much. Jeff is just 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.120 like we end up being like. 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:06.960 One of the times. 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.080 The back of the bitch. I'll look over and Jeff 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.720 and like you have his shoelace. Sometime we just be 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:23.760 told was that nigga not brough there? At one point 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.600 I'm like, bro, I'm right, Bro, this is how you 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.439 know it's different. And it's like, bro, everywhere you go, 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.800 like you would be able to keep your initial don't 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.000 name is Jeff t you know. So when we're going 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.879 on the board, I'm looking at Brad and Brad like 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:43.480 JD k W and Jet j T Like what the 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:47.560 fuck is Jet? Like is Jet? Yeah? It is like 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:51.160 Jeff TIGG. I'm like, my nigga, you can't he's older 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.560 than Jason Table. He can't get his. 0:26:54.560 --> 0:27:00.320 In you remember, and that's you know what's loked up 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:00.639 about it? 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.280 He wrote to play. He was like JT said somebody else, 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.520 So I'm thinking I got the ball. I'm like all right. 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:08.119 So I was like, hold on when I when he 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:09.919 go here, I go here. He's like no, no, no, no, 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:11.359 you're here, Jet. 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:20.160 What the Kim? Kim in tears and I'm in the back. 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.200 I'm like, Bro, No, they ain't just call you Jet. 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:25.439 Kim is crying. 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.360 Kim called me Jet the rest of the year. Bro, 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:37.840 Smiff is crazy. Bros is like kidding at ain't walking 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:39.639 like little please? 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.320 But that that time in Boston, I mean, I don't 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:48.200 know how Jet felt. Hell, like, what the hell are 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.440 we doing moment? Because it's COVID. Yeah, man, like I'm 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.320 trying to tell dudes that were better than me how 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.480 to play basketball. That's when I knew coaching was full 0:27:55.480 --> 0:28:05.719 of ship because I was like, I'm like a dacity you, Bro, 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.080 this man is a problem in that, you know. Yeah, 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.800 they had me beat Jason Tatum position like, Bro, he's 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:19.119 not listen to shout out say like you know what 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.000 I mean. I'm like, Bro, I'm not gonna tell him 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:22.920 nothing like a work one on with this like, no, 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.880 it's perfectly fine. But we were able to. We got, 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.480 we made bonds, were playing one over. Yeah, for sure, 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:30.120 we got. 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.439 We got a classic group chat Man midwe called the 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.960 mid West Group chat Man. We all became really cool. 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.000 That experience in Boston. Bro, it's funny as hell, what 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.600 did you? I wanted to always ask us. 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.520 Even in that experience in Boston, I still thought you 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.400 had a two or three more years to play like 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.520 what you did. Boston kind of stopped. We saw each 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.480 other in Atlanta and I told you before, Bro, it's 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.640 almost over for me. Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.400 You told me not that you shouldn't be here and 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:58.160 so you shouldn't be so you shouldn't be in London. 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.680 They're gonna get eleven point two minutes per game. 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.200 He told me that, and they I didn't sign. They 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.200 offered me a year another year after that, but I 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.200 didn't sign. I should have had signed it. I don't 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:09.920 know what I was thinking, but I hated it so 0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:13.000 much because I was like, damn, I love Atlanta, but 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:15.600 they told me I had a cap like you can 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:16.480 only play. 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:17.880 Nineteen minutes, you know what I mean? 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.600 It was just like Damn, I was just averaging fourteen 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.080 off the bench of Minnesota. 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.480 Well, I come here. All I can get is nineteen minutes. 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.440 Bro, I was them there being a runner for six 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.880 man fourteen and twenty two minutes. 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:29.920 I was hoping. 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:31.080 Damn. 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.920 I was like, nah, and I thought COVID happened. I 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:34.760 should have went. 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:35.400 To the next. 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.960 Tim's like, come on to the next You're gonna probably start. 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.040 But then Brad caught me. It was like, Kimba's out, 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.840 You're gonna start. Kimball's going Kimba's out for you. Remember 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:50.959 Kimball was hurting and then you woke up. He was like, 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.600 you're gonna start. Kimball's out, and I'm like, damn. The 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.440 Celtics cold like. I was like the Knicks. I don't 0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.640 know too much about the Knicks. Ain't got nobody, So 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.080 I'm go to Boston. I was like, that's gonna really 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:02.680 get me back. 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:03.560 And I got there. 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.840 He was like, we're gonna start markets at the point, 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:09.719 you're gonna be the sixth man. 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:10.360 The six man. 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.400 I'm like, in the first game, I hooked like three layers. 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:19.680 But I'm right, mane, I'm in a bench, like Bro, 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:25.800 they just can't get right but he don't. 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.080 Breakaway left to say, but it got to the point 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.560 I didn't miss a three the whole preseason. 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.760 No time out. You was missing so many layups. We 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.040 had played three on three and when you have made 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:37.240 a layup, run them short. 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:45.480 It's like he usually miss, so miss little jet with us. 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.880 I was so scared to shoot the left at that time, 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.640 I would really shoot a three. I was making so 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:51.720 many threes. I was like, fuck that. I ain't running 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.400 to fast breaks. I was running to the corner. 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:53.920 Damn. 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.480 I was scared to shoot a layup. Damn. I don't 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:56.840 know why. 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.840 But then I had a game at the end where 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.480 we started playing again. My labs came back, but I 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.280 couldn't shoot no more. My three was broke his hell. 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:10.000 But that was did you ever tell and you said 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:11.720 something that was this one of like Jeff a lot 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:16.240 of Pauls because he was his opin was super different 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.160 and might to somebody that like be saying some off 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.400 the wall stuff. My year, that's my man, And I 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.200 remember we're in a gym and you're like, bro, that's 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:28.400 my unpopular opinion. But I think James Harden is a 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.520 better shooting guard than Kobe. 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:34.120 Bryant, don't say that. I've been waiting to say this, 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.400 so we would have talked about this. This is gonna 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:39.960 go virus. 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:54.000 Getting killed for so long. Can seriously man, Kobe right, 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.000 he said the k was better than Kobe as episode. 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:00.680 You can call me. They're going after you. 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:06.960 That's that's at that time we were talking about We're 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.480 talking about that. Okay, I did not say that. 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:15.400 I'm ill be be lying too. He ain't say none 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:15.560 of that. 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:17.400 I ain't going down that, Kobe, bro. 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.360 But you had great the dude that said it had 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.640 great day, I said, And then I said that. 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:32.040 I mean, I'm not going to say that. Never mind you, 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:32.600 it was good. 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:37.120 It was Jailer and was battling and him, were just 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.560 having a conversation and e T And Jason was there. 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.240 It was I think you said. And then Jason and 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:46.480 Jay they went crazy. They went nuts. They definitely went nuts. 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:47.880 But to be honest with. 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:52.720 You, you're con persuaded me a bit, don't I'm telling 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:57.400 so Ship, that's the first. 0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:02.680 Time we fought. You was at me on that. And 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.240 then I just remember we would be in the back 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.160 of the bench. We always have these crazy debates. So 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.400 that's the first person that really told him how cold 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.040 Luca was. That's effect I give it. So like when 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:14.040 we sitting behind the bench, like Luca kind of going 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.160 through like his first half, like things like Bro, I 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:17.680 don't know jee, this man kind. 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.000 Of like it's a fire as story. 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.320 But you're like, man, this man kind of like lazy, 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.280 like he's just not doing nothing for me. He whined. 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.160 And I'm like, Bro, that's like you don't run up 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:27.920 the court. I'm like, bro, look at him. He the man. 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.440 I'm like Luca him, he's not worried about no regular 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.000 season game in fact, So then we keep going, said Bro, 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.200 you sure he good? I said, Bro, he gonna turn 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.720 it on. He's really him. So like where were we 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.520 We're up ten or twelve. He's in Dallas. So we 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.080 in Dallas and it's like Bro, JB and j T 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:44.960 getting rid of us. Man, I said, Bro, I'm telling you, 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.320 like it might not look good now, but in clutch, 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.440 if they get close, we're not gonna win, he said. 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:52.400 I said, Bro. I said, I'm just saying, the game 0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.600 get close, we're not gonna win. So, like the game 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:59.000 start creeping down. So the more and more he at 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:04.000 me and I'm like. 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:03.680 Like you, he's a coach. 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:07.040 I'm a player and they weren't listening to. 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.359 That's how crazy this that season was. 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.680 I'm sitting in the crowd with him, like down with 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:20.240 the players. It's COVID. So I'm sitting by him. There's 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:21.360 just kick. 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.120 The kicking the ship like everything. So I'm senter. I said, bro, 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.160 if you get closer, like we're not gonna win. Like 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.239 I'm telling you. He's like that. Bro, He's just like that, 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:37.560 like he's just it. So it get closer, they call 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.520 the time out and like I think they're down like two, 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.319 So like Jeff like get it, like bro, like ain't 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.120 no way. I'm like, bro, I'm telling you, And he 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:47.120 like you did. 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.200 I called about to do that that step back he 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:51.400 hit the game winner. 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.680 And literally bro, and like while we watching it, Jeff watching, 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.080 I'm back there like Dickie and watch watch. 0:34:58.800 --> 0:34:59.080 Like that. 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.280 Literally he learned about Luca dont. 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.560 Hit the shot, looked at him, he's I told you 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:06.720 we worked for the Celtics. 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:08.080 I told you. 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:12.719 I told you. I'm like, damn, we celebrated ship. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:14.600 Look ship. 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.520 I was like, j T, that's some bullship, man, We're 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.960 gonna be up. I quit after this ship anyway kind 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.319 of knew. I'm like, man like, just be worried about him. 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.920 But I thought that was a dope day because at 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.720 the end of that's the first time that youbody ever listening. 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:32.879 Yeah, like April, I was like, years cold. What made 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.560 it so funny? J T, that's a shower. I got 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.080 we Go. That's why I love et we Go. There 0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:39.200 he was like, Luca better than me. 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:41.200 He was like, damn near. 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:44.040 I was like what. 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.440 I was like, Nah, hell no, j He was like, Bro, 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.319 he's my favorite player. That's a yo et crazy bro 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:52.240 favorite player. 0:35:52.320 --> 0:36:02.839 My daughter man, Luca was she did bro? I said, Bro, dude, 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.560 that's my favorite player. I'm like, man, like, you got 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.680 to meet Luca. Like now that you go to the store, 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:13.920 you like I saw uncle Jason on somebody. Yeah, that's 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:20.799 but you got to meet remember that you got but 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:24.600 funny ship like Jason, that's one of my favorite players. Fast. 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:26.759 I gotta ask how I feel to see them. Know 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:28.319 what I'm saying, be Victorias, y'all know what I'm saying. 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.480 Y'all saw them early on, putting in the hard work 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:32.319 for them to win, and y'all to know them for real? 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.120 For how did that feel to see them cross one? 0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:34.359 Man? 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:36.520 I thought it was I thought it was dope. 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:36.719 Man. 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.000 You know what Tatum, Bro, he's such a good dude. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.680 So when you sit there like like when you talk 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.800 to me, listen when I was young, Bro, I wann't listening. 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.320 Ship for real, So like when you talk to me, 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.759 really take advice, Like, Bro, you a good kid. But 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.279 when when when he tasks back in and like you know, 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.160 you talk to him like you really want people like 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:56.880 that to win? You know what I'm saying. Even when 0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.279 you sit there and you build brotherhood like Jack my 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.640 fault Jeff, Jeff won the championship and he facetimed us 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.800 from the locking. Yeah, when you sit down, it's like 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.480 when you look at Club five twenty and everything, Like, Bro, 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.719 I be turned up for y'all because anybody brother, it 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.919 is dope to see you know, good people winning. 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.080 Sure you feel about you. That's why our group chat. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:17.879 When we be talking, I'd be just having a bob, 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:19.279 but I'll be telling him some of the stuff we 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.600 talking about, just not everything, but some of the stuff 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:22.879 that we'd be like laughing. 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:23.360 At, joking about. 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:25.879 But like j T, like you said, see him win 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.319 and know how much like how bad he wanted to win. 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:30.160 We was like yeah, but me and. 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.040 E TV like, hey, man, what he doing? 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:32.239 Man? 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:34.040 Like we was watching the finals like man, he birst 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:35.799 started playing because you. 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:36.879 Know I'm betting, Like. 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:40.640 Yeah, I'm like j T for real, Man, is he 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.080 gonna make? He need some free thrones? 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.560 Know you gonna how seriously when we FaceTime, you know 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.560 it's I'm like. 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:50.040 Bro, you see it when my man trophy away, I'm like, 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:55.880 how we feel? How we feel you knowing like what 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:59.319 you think? Literally he said he not even be pick 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:01.080 what were doing? 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.640 Man? Was come on, that's my fault of you with 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.600 your wifey. I called man late but like you you 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.520 see this right saying, I'm like, man, this nigga got 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:11.720 I gotta talk to somebody. 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:12.560 Said he's not MVP. 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:13.600 What we doing? 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:14.120 Said? 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.520 I don't know, I said, Jaylen played glease, I'm not 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:16.840 hearing that. 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.680 I said. It's like, so what that means for our legacy? 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:28.879 This is all because when you think about that run, 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.120 which is crazy. We talked about like you look at 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.160 Jordan ninety two, he had that crazy run of a 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:38.680 championship MVP whopped the damn Like maybe Brian did it 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.000 once or whatever, but like when you thought about it, 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.680 how many times is it perfectly set up for somebody 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.040 to win a championship auto Olympics and when it's coming 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.040 to the changing of like the tight and yeah it was. 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.239 It was really set in prime. Even if you think 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:56.200 about like the Sports Center, like Sports Illustrated article or 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.760 like shit, he dropped his Jordan three during the Olympics, 0:38:59.440 --> 0:38:59.960 you know what I mean? 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.279 I like it just seems like that's why I was 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:03.600 so mad about the Olympics. 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.360 Yeah, it was like supposed to be a changing of 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.520 the guard, and I just felt like it was supposed 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.680 to be him because it was all set up, even 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:10.640 though it might be in AE. 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:12.040 I don't know who it was really. 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:16.000 But like this what made me so mad that never 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:17.560 happened to anybody else. 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.600 Bro, you understand, I don't give a damn what you're 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:22.800 talking about. I'm the star player. I know him, Melity, 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.239 But like Derek White, Drew, y'all better say, y'all ain't 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:30.600 playing get into because the world ain't right. 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:32.239 That's the fact. 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:33.560 The world already fucked up. 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:35.480 It's like they tried to dim his light on purpose 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:37.040 and they're just like, oh, he's taking it this striw 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:37.839 he's such a good one. 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:39.160 No, he crashed out. 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.719 Yeah, Bro, that's the first time I felt like they 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.960 went crazy on the ricelin. Let's target it, Bro, if 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.480 you think about it, I felt like it was something 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:52.759 deeper balls and just like rotation. Now you say, I 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.600 can't hop like give me eleven minutes. 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.279 Yeah, he was supposed to be in the rotation. But 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.040 like Bro said, Jeff made a great point like maybe 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:02.879 he come back, like he's. 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:03.359 Gonna come back. 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:09.480 Steve Steve, Steve, he quit before they fired him. They 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:10.840 said this was this was his last. 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:14.560 He knew last I was man when he shout up 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:16.000 to the lookings like Nigga, I saw what you did 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.759 last sum with this team. They was like, you gotta go, 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.800 but we need j T for the Great Hill on 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.120 his way out too. He keeps troubling let Great Hill too. 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:25.399 Yeah. 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:29.799 Because the fact shot man, y'all know this, Nigga man 0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:37.560 Haler Burden DJ DJ like the fact like, for instance, 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:41.239 they didn't have like dang mm hmmm, I'm team us 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:43.319 a shot out to Haller Burdon. But like then they 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.800 have Kyrie, like come on, my g like two little 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:51.680 cold dudes and then let the killers be like I 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:53.960 don't know, Like that was crazy, bro. 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.680 And when he said we might considering Jailer Brown for 0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:57.960 between twenty years, I said, he's out of. 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:02.920 Old, out the pot. Here's true, he's definitely trying. It's 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.839 like thirty one, like by time to get today age, 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:06.799 it's gonna be super rich. Like, Bro, I don't start 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:11.319 my own country. I told you. 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.600 Contry hop it up here. I'm playing for so then 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:24.600 next twenty eight reversible Lou. 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.160 I laughed, you Bro, I laugh you, Bro. I lad me, 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:35.319 look who's the best player you ever played with? Mm hmm, Bro, 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.520 it's a it's so different. I think pound for pound, 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.680 damn name was cold but Isaiah Thomas. Because when you 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.840 break it down, bro, niggas, you would be like in 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.319 practice and you see Brad talking to him and he'd 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.560 be looking up you, like, Bro, this is our best 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:52.360 player for this, you know what I mean? Like you 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:56.120 the shortest doing the huddle heat like five eight, this 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.880 is the lead dog. But like literally, Bro, every the 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:00.920 stuff I saw him doing ain't a night out like 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.719 how talented he was. But one thing that occurred that 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:06.920 I think that. I always said, like that little fucker 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.960 always worked, like I'm talking about like work work, work, 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.120 like show up at the gym seven to eight, like 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.799 even now, like still working. And I always thought like, uh, 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.000 how you hoop? But like the fire in his eyes 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.359 or something like I had never really seen. I thought 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.920 PG was pretty cold to be like like when we 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.319 were young, like he was, like he's still cold, don't 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.759 get it twisted. But the stuff he did with Indy 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:30.720 when I played with him for a couple of months. Pause. 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.960 Uh he was twenty two years old dropping forty in 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.000 the old school playoffs. Yeah yeah that like oh, like 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:39.960 like why they sports were still one hundred type shit? 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:45.520 And then uh, man, Drew Howday was cold cold Drew 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:49.320 Howdy was like, to be honest with you, because everybody 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:54.080 just mentioned like head the head Drew did they like? 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.600 I think Drew was probably like the best I ever 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:57.080 played with. 0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:00.279 Yeah, now yeah, man, you talk, you talk bunch a 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:01.520 couple of coffee with the pacers. 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.280 Man, what happened? 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:04.880 What was that team? Like? 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:07.120 I killed them? 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.880 You was coach? You don't know what happened? This is 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.840 what people be forgetting too. I don't know. I just 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:19.000 got there late, so like niggas wildly. But I think 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.520 one thing that happened you got to understand too, Like 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.680 Jeff correct me if I'm wrong. Before All Star, dudes 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.360 go super hard falls. Once All Star is over and 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:31.319 dudes kind of get their accolade, they kind of turn 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.040 off a bit. So like when we were sitting there, 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.520 we were already kind of taking l's, we were taking adjustments. 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.759 But then I think what came down to us, like 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:44.719 with team and competitiveness when you bring me in, like, 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:47.840 of course ears are going to perk up. Like you 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:52.840 got two dudes trying to sign contracts. Lance Stevenson was 0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:55.759 ahead of me. You had Paul, George, George Hill. Like 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.040 arguably you can sit there and be like George would 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.279 be like, damn, he might take my spot. This might 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.160 be like he might take my spot and such just such, 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:04.520 and who after Ben and I come in. You know 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:09.160 my personality like talking ship ornery like you know what 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.680 I mean, like joking, like poking the bear, like I 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.480 just you know what I'm saying, just know what's you know, 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.520 know what's going on, but having fun with it. And 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.840 I think aside from that, I think the chemistry is 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:22.719 one thing but like, bro, we weren't good enough to 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:27.960 beat the heat nigga, Like when people are asking that 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.480 dumb ass question and we cut rotations, So like, y'all 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:33.480 gotta shout out Roy Hibbert because I think he was 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:38.760 unbelievable in George Hill too, Dope dudes, Roy was averaging 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.280 six and six bro, and shout out to like Frank 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:44.480 Vogel because I wasn't mad. I'm like, yo, roll with 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:48.400 your killers, but like he's killing us like ship but 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.799 like and this is not Roy Hibbert like slander because 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.759 Roy Hibbert don't get enough credit for what he's done. 0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:00.759 Yeah that verticality, bro, he's a real own star trying 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:01.239 to clown them. 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.560 But he wasn't like nothing. You know, George Hill, I 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.719 think ye had something like when we were playing our 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.120 main go to guys, I don't think we had enough 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.359 firepower when we cut the rotation down the second mm hmm. 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:16.000 You're like, come on, brother, you had me like yeah, 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.320 me on a like not me now, Like it was 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:23.480 twenty fourteen, y'alls all right, so it was nice CJ. Watson, 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.400 Like you had Louis Skola that was still like ramone. 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.400 Yeah he was yeah, yeah he was cutting like rotations. 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.560 I just think you're not taking out Broun and all 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.840 without you know, having a new scheme. But Bro, we 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.719 weren't being the heatles Bro and I just I thought 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.680 that was like a great starting five. But everybody has 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.600 to perform play at a high level. And we only 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.040 had like three people playing at the high level. And 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.239 you can't and they're three was who Yeah, And then 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.120 when you break it down like after that, you know 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:53.520 me and Lance y'all probably we had talked about this. 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:56.920 Me and Lance got into it. And what was so 0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.600 funny with that was, uh, me and Lance hung out 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:05.799 every day at each other. Yeah, we say we sat 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.880 next to each other on the plane, like me and 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:12.880 him would go out together, like together. And I remember 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:16.640 we're going through like a walkthrough and just like young dudes, 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.240 you can instigate some ship Andrew bite him is sitting 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:26.400 on the sideline. Yes, yes, Andrew bidam sitting on the sideline. 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.200 And I guess we like going through walkthrough. So me 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.360 and Lance are kind of like playing around and like 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:35.239 I think something happened when he's trying to go for 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.279 real and like I think I might have stopped him, 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.319 and like I think coach yelled, there's something weird. It's 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:45.560 like a weird moment. So then like Andrew's like, ooh, 0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:48.239 he stopped at like and Lance like, man, come on, 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:51.919 Burtis ain't got the type of heart I got little 0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.200 but Lance, if you know, it's personality, that's how it's 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:57.160 just how you talk to New York. And like, you know, 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.800 I didn't really kind of take it like oh d 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:01.640 because like at the same time, it's like, come on, brother, 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.080 I think it's bugging. This is but you know what 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.640 I mean, like you're bugging. So like we go through 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:09.160 it again, and uh, I think I did the same 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.080 thing again, kind of like slapped his stop through whatever. 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.279 And we kind of like a little tussling a little bit, 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.080 and I think I kind of like slapped something again. 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.520 So when I turn around, he's like, don't do that 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.200 shit no more. So like when he put his finger 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:27.440 in my face, swipe, swipe, we grab each other's throat scratch, men, 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.560 I got like duper scratch and I like little scratch, 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.400 like duper scratch. Yeah. So then we get off the 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.200 court and then uh it got broken up or whatever, 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.400 and then uh shit, that was it. That literally was 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.480 like the whole moment of the playoffs and was used 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.680 and so like that's what ruined us, and it's like 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:48.520 now we was fired. Lance was like really like that 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.120 was my man's like you know, as little kids when 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.160 you're younger, when you fight over a box of cereal, 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:57.320 like off the principality of it. And I thought that 0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:59.080 was pretty much it. And just like a little bit 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:00.600 of shout out to Indiana up in like a fan 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:05.560 base that wasn't real estate. Lord Jesus, am I wrong 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:06.000 for saying that? 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:09.600 Is that the end was not right at that time 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.640 because Larry kept drafting white people. So I didn't really care. 0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:15.040 We needed we needed to reto he got plumbly. I 0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:16.640 was all right, I'm calling these niggas right now. 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.319 How we like local fans? How hard pause? How hard 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.600 did we jagged a considering? Because you'll probably really thought 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:25.320 we had a chance to win. Y'all was supposed to 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:29.080 lose to US. I wasn't. 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.839 We was up gate we y'all was in Atlanta game 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:34.880 six down three two? 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:36.040 Oh you all right? 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:36.359 Bro? 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:37.640 Who got hot that game? 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:38.360 For? 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.480 David was hitting it off the backboard. 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:45.840 Yeah, but the one big foreign dude, Yeah, that's the 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.600 reasoner version of Ivan Johnson. 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.319 That's why Peril could play. I mean, Hibbert couldn't play 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.359 no more. We put Peril three shooting on them three. 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.040 But what y'all thing? Y'all thought he was gonna win 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:01.320 the chip that year? But what did y'all keep it 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:03.960 real with you? Like man having old bitch ass and 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:05.919 came out here and fucked up the team like because 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.080 literally that's all I ever heard after that, Like bro, 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.719 I literally shot four times a game at average seven. 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:12.719 We made it so funny. It was being around and 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:13.600 knowing some of the tape. 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.920 You know, you weren't there was problem you fucking and 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.520 I knew that, But they just blamed you because they 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:19.120 treated Danny. 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.200 That's that's the only thing. You just got slack because 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:21.600 they tried. 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.759 That and Danny and Danny average six, I average seven. 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:26.160 You want to know what made me so mad? I 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:28.600 shot fifty percent from the three with the pacers. I 0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:32.319 ain't never done that, damn. Like so when I'm sitting here, 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.560 I'm like, I hate this bottom, Like you know what 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:43.319 I mean, use his high hand, use this book. That's 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.560 the only thing I'm showing. Fifty percent They got so 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.239 after that, I never shot at three again, and it 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.520 was just a bad fit. That's a bad fit. But 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:53.279 like that time, it hit me with a doozy like 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:54.680 I said, I was supposed to have an eight point 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.799 seven million dollars signing bonus. Damn my dumb ass trying 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.040 to be probably for like, man, this team, y'all keep 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:06.120 the playoff money. So I gave up a quarter million, man, hey, 0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:09.080 find me a new team, like all right, you mis 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:14.359 qualifying bonus. And then in sordanter Ferrari that same week. 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:24.239 But you know somebody has like I guess I didn't 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:28.920 comprehend how serious it was obvious. Yeah, So then that 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.719 free agency comes out in like July first, like my 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.040 phone ain't ring. Then we get always fighting ship like 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.920 August mitched cup Check called me and it's like, what 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:42.600 do you do. I'm like, I guess I dribble shoot 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:47.239 like you know, that's what Kobe do. I'm kind of 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:52.759 like Kobe, like, don't call me and ask me what 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.080 I did. And I'm like, with all due respect, man, 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:57.400 like I'm not saying on the best, but like you 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.839 all didn't lost y'all, like owen forever the past three years, 0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:04.120 not average like twenty five, like to offer me a quarter, 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.880 I'll get it off the block and type shit like 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.440 but be and honestly I was not. I'm never like that, 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.719 so don't get At the same time, Familion, I'm like, bro, like, 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.080 we'll get off the bike. Seriously, like you might as 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.200 well throw my life away and get it off the block. 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:27.520 And that's not being like, that's ignorantly speaking. That's what 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.960 I thought at the time. And I'm luckily shout out 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:33.520 to Brad Stevens. He's like, bro, I can't let people 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.360 to you like that. I don't know what change you found. 0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:38.920 But he gave me a little bit of money and 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:42.160 help me, help me and like, no joke, help me 0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:44.000 get my career back. Because even when I left that 0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:46.160 situation with the Pacers, you got to think I went 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.960 from like the six series of like I was supposed 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:50.840 to be like a megastar and then I wasn't. And 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.560 then ship just hit the ground, and you know, you 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.120 go to a real point where Jeff, you relate, are 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.239 you going overseas or you're going to play and stay 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:01.640 and fight? So that was, uh, that's real as ship. 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.040 Like we laugh about it, but you know, I joke 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.640 about it but it was some real stuff and you know, 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:08.879 obviously it didn't stay dark forever. 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.960 Plays in the playoffs when you was in Boston. Yeah, 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.640 I have a squad, but y'all talk the most shit. 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:22.440 I said, they put Jay Crowder. All these safety. 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:26.120 We talked the most. Ship were all mid except from 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:32.360 one dude bro like one person get hot. Like everything 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.600 I te average thirty. I eat my little ten. And 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:37.719 then every blue moon when I go get seventeen, and 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:41.520 you're gonna hear about it twenty every game I have seventeen. Yeah, 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:42.080 little nigga. 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:46.640 Everybody had Avery Bradley talk. He never even talked. 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:48.839 Yeah, but like that was like that was and if 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:50.520 you think about it, it's like the real first time 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:52.719 they'll tell you I really jumped out my shell for real, 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:54.880 because like around that time, I was kind of like 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:58.640 I was still on the portrait guards to like marketing 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:02.080 wise Brandon, So like, you know, that was the real 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.359 time I was like, Man, I'm just gonna be wan, 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.440 gonna be forget, like trying to be perfect. It's like 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:11.319 that shit ain't worked, and legit, ship we I really 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:16.120 jumped off the porch and Sundays Man Sundays Tuesdays Wednesdays 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:20.400 before or after that as a hobby, you know, but 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:22.319 like not jump off the porch and on weird stuff. 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:24.520 But it's like that comrader in that team ship. It 0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:26.600 was like, Bro, I realized it took more and not 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:28.960 saying like partying, but it took more to really like 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:32.480 build relationships and what really makes a great team and 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:36.600 atmosphere like ship. We were we were seventh in the East, Bro, 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:39.800 but you couldn't tell us like Tom Brady was walking 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.080 the city and we swore we had the streets on wine, 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:44.840 you know, like we go to clubs, I'd be like 0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:48.000 I would be on a microphone shining out niggas. That's 0:53:48.000 --> 0:54:02.600 getting ten minutes again, Jordan, We really, bro, We had 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.000 it cracking. Did won every game? 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:05.279 Y'all. 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:09.120 Ain't want to play some things four Thanksgiving, All Star, 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.920 second Nights of back to be like that's the only 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:13.920 reason why we got the forty five wins. Was like 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.320 a twenty win talent. We just tried. 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:21.120 By used to. I ain't go like, y'all, did you know, 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:22.919 it's like damn these niggas is good? 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:26.440 Bro. I t was so different, Bro, different, Bro. When 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:28.759 you think he was about like, where do you rank him? 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:30.879 Where do you like? At that time? 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.080 He was the toughest cover for me, like. 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.719 With Brad Stevens offense, So buck bro, he was. 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.919 The toughest bro. Everything ran through him. But he didn't 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.239 have a ball the whole time, like y'all used to 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.680 run that little floor Where were you called? 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:45.280 Four snap? 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.759 I think? And Kelly have to be this somebody and 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.440 you bro Kelly Olennitt was throwing that motherfucking shalt Well. 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.720 I'm like, yo, this ship is wow. He was nice, 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.480 he t I mean, I was cold, Bro. I ain't 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:58.879 gonna lie. He was a tough cover and he got 0:54:59.000 --> 0:54:59.919 fouled so much. 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:04.000 Hell yeah yeah, went to the line like a motherfucker 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.160 was he? What about with d Rose? 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:10.120 Oh no, d Rose, Like I'm talking about that tom 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.279 My t was a tough color all timas d Rose. 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:12.400 Bro. 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.680 Nothing you can do, Bro. You could bag all the 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.440 way up in the paint. You could sit on the dots. 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:18.560 Bro. 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:20.160 He will run at you, just jump over you. 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:21.200 You what the fuck? 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:24.279 So then if you get close, he run right by you. 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.960 You get the medium he crossed you get. But I'm like, Bro, 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:29.239 I can't guard this food man. That's why I tell you, 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.359 Harry hot Light, if you go look, will he run 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.440 that MVP year? Probably on fifty of them? 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.680 Bro, like different color jurneys that motherfucking cap. 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:39.839 Yo. 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:45.800 What was it like? Uh? Was playing with Joe Johnson's 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:48.160 cold man? 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:52.560 He probably, I tell everybody, probably the most skilled player 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:57.360 I played with because his handle, he could shoot, float 0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.719 or post up. He ain't really had no like no 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:02.360 on his game. He could play defense. Only thing he 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.759 couldn't do. He won the athletic but he could score 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.200 with the best of them. He was really liked that. 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:08.239 And what was your favorite era? 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:08.760 Fatigue? 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:10.120 Right over? 0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:11.920 I don't get this nigga. 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:16.120 Because it's dope the here now like as friends that 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.279 went on the journey with him, like growing up, it's 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:20.279 like ship y'all met, and like how long you know 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:20.680 each other? 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:21.520 Niggas? 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:23.479 That's what I'm saying. 0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:27.880 You think about really well, this nigga probably win't right 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:31.160 before he made the All Star and through on, like 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.200 right that year before that's when I really start going 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:35.520 to the A heavily. 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:38.399 Yeah, he was. He was a different player for sure 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:39.040 to me. 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.320 To me, I probably said the first two years in 0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.560 Minnesota for sure, wet. 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.120 When did y'all start hearing the streets and Indie going 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.080 back to the locals and being like, Yo, my nigga, 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.279 my nigga, Jeff better than Mike Conley because I know 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:54.640 that was. 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.120 Because that had to be, like y'all, did y'all ever 0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:00.800 go back like you wouldn't really like, let's talk about it. 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.200 It was really e j or nothing like even as 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:05.880 good as Mike was, j was got even even. 0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.960 What he did to Derrick Rose and high school was crazy. 0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:12.239 He did the Jordan kids. Bro, that's what markets is 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.319 on that Bro's order story. 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.360 Bogus. They bogus because he wasn't supposed to be up 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:18.760 in there and they knew that that was like that 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:22.600 was our like, Bro, it was like the nineteenth best 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:25.720 team on Earth and they got an ESPN game. But 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.640 that was just that was it was. You would have 0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:32.240 been cool, but he already played ranked players. Yeah, like 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:37.240 Jordan's coming to the building, Gordon, it was bigger than 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.600 what you think you think, so it was a whole 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:48.240 production he put on. But like, Bro, you wasn't. It 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:58.680 wasn't time. It was bigger that I actually like that. 0:57:58.880 --> 0:57:59.840 That was some real talk. 0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:03.920 It was bigger than For sure, that was bigger because 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:07.919 we knew Jordan's kids was cool, but I forgot his name, 0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:10.320 the other Jordan, not the fry one, the oldest one. 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:14.120 He had an offer from Jeff Jordan. Jeffy was but 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.720 they was both Illinois kids at the time. Yeah, so 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:22.000 that was ADU. So what's so funny is I get 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:27.120 up aired for that? Eric Gordon was, Uh, he was 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:31.560 committed to Illinois. So during that time I was supposed 0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:34.200 to commit and de Rose was supposed to commit. 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:37.200 Yeah. Yeah, I remember sitting there and being like, all right, bro, 0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:39.960 we might have pause have a three headed monster, but 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:42.760 de Rose want to commit, and I'm telling them like, yo, 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:46.560 I'll wait until Derek commits. But it just never happened. 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.400 And I feel like that was like one of the 0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:51.400 real reasons pushed me to a house state too. H 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:54.840 e Gordon started, Uh, he de committed. He took his 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:57.440 ass on the Indiana, which was very very smart because 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:00.880 that made no goddamn sense. And then uh shit, that 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.280 was it. Man, y'all, Homie and Hoop, they're Devin doing this. 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:04.640 Shout to do them out. 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:07.160 Y'all have been cool though, get him on the pot 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.840 y'all have been cool at all show that's my guy. 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:14.240 Yeah, it looks like that for sure would have been. 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:17.680 Crazy you d Rose, Eric Gordon, that would have been hard, Bro, 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:18.840 I probably would have made it. 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:21.320 You think y'all would have been better than Luther Head 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.200 Darren Williams and uh what's my boy? 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.200 Yeah, I discriminated against people on the sticky Bro, so 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:30.440 I'd be like, don't ask me, don't ask me ifout 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:32.880 you one of those come saying I'm six seven. It's 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:34.720 like when you sit there, I think like you a 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:40.040 better career though, like like the Illinois up they rose 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.200 went to the final four, like the championship game is damnself? 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:48.080 Eric Gordon average twenty seven, like they was probably been 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:53.160 on the bench for just serious, Bro, you would have played. 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:53.320 Bro? 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:54.120 You six seven? 0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:54.280 Bro? 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.240 All you at the four? Bro, it's college. Thats my 0:59:57.320 --> 1:00:02.080 big ten. The ball the first for I don't want 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:04.640 to start playing playing like a start. I'm playing like 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:11.120 a bum. You're gonna get that shots, Bro stopped talking 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.480 to me. I'm like, I got six shots. Man. My 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:17.480 homie started the game shooting jumping my line. 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:26.960 You ain't lied what's up? Ro Roll? I know you. 1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:28.920 I know, we got to get out of here. So 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:31.640 but you get the big deal from Portland. 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:34.160 After your good years in Boston, you do your thing, 1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:35.840 you come back, you bounce back. Now you get the 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:36.800 big deal from Portland. 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:42.200 What's that like, bro? Man? That was you don't like 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:45.680 to get some money from That was the first time 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:47.920 I really like, damn, you know what I mean? Like, 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:51.680 so I remember going to sleep because you remember, I 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:53.720 just told you two years before they did me dirty. 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:57.520 So I'm like, no, I just know my my free 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:00.800 agency finna be. It's gonna be. And so I remember 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:02.560 I'm like waking. I talked to my agent the night 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:07.520 before it starts paused, and I legit. He'said, you should 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:10.240 be straight. We'll have some dope stuff going, like we're 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:13.560 gonna start at like fifty. I'm like, oh, that's perfect, 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:15.960 Like shit, I'll do fifty. And I just remember like 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:18.400 going to sleep and waking up in the middle of 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:19.680 the night and being like, bro, if they give me 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:22.240 fifty million dollars, I'm gonna be mad than I'm a motherfucker. 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:23.640 But you know what I mean, like in my head 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:25.880 because like I had to make up for the last one. 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:29.640 But I also say now just be grateful. So then 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:33.080 like when I wake up, my agent calls me and it'say, yeah, 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:34.560 I got a deal for you, and I'm like what 1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:38.000 is and he's like from Portland. I'm like, okay, I 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:41.120 talked to dang right before that. It's like and I'm like, well, 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:43.360 what is it. He's like, it's a four year deal 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:50.600 for like seventy So I'm like seventeen and he's like no, 1:01:50.920 --> 1:01:54.440 like seventy and I'm like, oh my god, like you know. 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:58.680 So then I call my mom and I'm like, yo, Mom, 1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:01.240 I'm gonna sign the Portland and I'm gonna get like, 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:04.280 I'm gonna sign in Portland for four years seventy millions. 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:06.680 She's like seventeen. I'm like no, like seven and a 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:09.720 d and my friend and like my mom was like 1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:15.560 that's crazy. She's like that was crazy. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:19.360 And she's like, oh my god, and I'm like yeah, 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.200 So like I'm next. I was supposed to go to 1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:24.560 Portland like the fifth so like I felt like lottery ticket, 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:30.760 like I was trying not to die. So that's we're 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:32.840 gonna get you up here. Due press conference like went 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:35.240 like today they're like no. I'm like the fifth I'm 1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:38.240 like no, I can come Like we don't need to 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.000 do no, I said, bro, I don't need none of 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:42.600 that ship just like go get it, like let's get 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:45.480 this deal and like call it to day. But I think, like, 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:48.760 you know, one thing that occurred that was like pretty cool. 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:51.360 Besides like the money factor was which was cool, it's 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:53.200 going to the West. I had so much respect for 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:54.640 the teams in the West because I've been in the 1:02:54.680 --> 1:02:57.600 East for so long. I just remember being like, damn, 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:00.920 like this is definitely going to be tougher. But you know, 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:03.080 as a team like go you know, I was able 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:05.120 to go to Western Conference finals for the first time. 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:08.640 We had two fifty years win seasons, and I thought, 1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:11.600 like shit, like we were able to adapt and do 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:13.760 some dope stuff. Granted, I mean Dame did it his 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.160 damn self, but I mean I was still enjoying myself 1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:20.600 and having fun. But I think that that part was 1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:23.000 just a unique time to try to you know and 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:25.560 figure out, you know, new ways to play the game 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:28.040 and open up your role. But at the same time, 1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:30.840 we had like, you know, the second best back corner NBA, 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:34.120 and it was that was you know, that's a fun 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:36.400 time to watch, fun time and be around. But uh, 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:39.000 you know, I think personally I kind of saw the 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:42.959 writing on the wall. I don't know about you, Jeff, 1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:45.480 but like, sometimes you just get tired of like like 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:48.200 always adjusting, bro, you know what I mean. Like, and 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:50.440 sometimes it wasn't bad, but at one point actually like 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:53.640 not like I keep adjusting my role, adjusting my role 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:55.600 to the point where it was like kind of like 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:58.680 no and void, which wasn't like terrible, but it was 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:01.640 also at the same time, like how else can I 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:04.000 make an impact here unless you know what I mean, 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:06.320 unless I'm able to play heavy or you know, get 1:04:06.360 --> 1:04:08.440 to that, you know, be able to be in those 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:11.080 final minutes. And that was kind of where I knew 1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:15.200 to myself moving on from there. I always just say like, yo, 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.520 I'm not going to go overseas the second contrast stop coming. 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:21.360 I'll chalk it up like a man and just be like, yo, 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:24.600 it's over. You know what I'm saying. And the same 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:26.920 way I was able to take like a thirty year 1:04:26.920 --> 1:04:28.600 old spot when I was twenty two, I'm like, that's 1:04:28.680 --> 1:04:32.080 just a game, and I just knew, like, shit, that's 1:04:32.120 --> 1:04:33.840 a sign and on some trade me like three times 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:35.120 in a year. I'm like, man, that shit did I 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:40.280 ain't gonna keep playing with me like or that ten days? 1:04:40.760 --> 1:04:44.160 Like you mean like go somewhere for ten days and 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:48.760 then not play. It's like like, nah, bro, young kiss my, 1:04:50.160 --> 1:04:52.400 you know what I mean, Like sign that one thing. 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:55.000 You know, I'm grateful for, like the league and everything. 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:57.680 But I was definitely ready to start the new chapter 1:04:57.840 --> 1:05:00.280 and comprehend like, Yo, it's been a hell of a run. 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:03.240 But you know, Portland's cool, Portland's a fun time and 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:07.560 it was some great runs and great battles and but 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:09.520 you know it's damn the people say I played ten. 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:12.040 I'm like, Bro, I played eight. You know what I'm saying. 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:14.760 It wasn't in a sense like nothing bad, but you know, 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:17.080 just the time time and changed. 1:05:17.480 --> 1:05:19.840 Yeah for sure, man, but you stuck around. But listen, man, 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:22.320 at we gotta do this again. Man, you failed me 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:24.040 at the show. You ain't even a guess, But that's 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:25.600 a fact. I want to check my man's out. I 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:27.680 gotta hide the point for park Man. Tell the people 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:28.840 that need to have to be into bro. 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:32.160 Yeah you know, man. First off, follow me aving turn 1:05:32.280 --> 1:05:35.040 on Instagram. And LinkedIn or wherever you get you know 1:05:35.120 --> 1:05:38.200 your it's crazy. Yeah, you know, you know, I get 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:42.160 down on Twitter. It's the kid e T the only one. 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:44.280 And then Ship and you listen to point for it. 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:46.480 It's a normal way you spell it p O I 1:05:46.680 --> 1:05:49.200 N T F O r W A r D because 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:53.320 can't spell. And then the last but not least, y'all 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:56.160 like this pause, y'all be kicking it like it's dope ist, 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:59.360 dope ist, dope light subscribe because that's how you can 1:05:59.400 --> 1:06:02.640 help me out. Dad asks all right or else I'm 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:12.200 gonna have to go back to work now. But for real, bro, 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:14.320 I appreciate y'all having me on and what y'all, what 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:18.040 y'all is doing is dope. And like Jeff, you're the 1:06:18.120 --> 1:06:21.480 coolest dude I ever met. I'm glad you found your 1:06:21.560 --> 1:06:24.480 lane and like people can really see how bright of 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:27.200 a personality special you know, a dudes you are in 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:31.200 a nine crazy way. But like Ship, you know, I 1:06:31.320 --> 1:06:33.200 thought you was like cold at hooping, but like Bro, 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:35.600 you funny as fuck. So I appreciate you able to 1:06:35.680 --> 1:06:37.880 do and like with your your homies, are able to 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:41.400 really jump on pause. I appreciate what your niggas doing. 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:45.520 We appreciate you be here and tell people that can 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:46.400 grasp some March at. 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:50.080 Shower Club five twenty dot com. Baby, we out the 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:50.680 volume