Lynne, The Awesomism Mom: Nurturing Resilience and Sparking Change for Autistic Adults

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Hi, I'm Toni Mantor. Welcome to Why Not Me the World.
Today's guest is Lynn and she's known as awesome as
a mom. Her story is just so great. She's got
so many stories. So let's get into this. Thanks for
coming on. I really appreciate it.
I listen. I'm super excited about this.
Yes, me too.
It's always great to have good conversations.
So you have an autistic child? Correct?
Yes, I have a twenty four year old son who's autistic.
So what led you to believe that he might be autistic?
Okay?
So when Peyton was born, he was my youngest of four. Okay,
he was very different than my other children. He didn't
have the connectivity to me that my other kids. You know,
they usually are very comforted by your voice because they.
Hear you the whole time they're in the wool.
The close cuddling that my other children wanted he didn't want,
and he would only sleep in a swing.
Wow.
I started seeing things and I went to my pediatrician.
There's something wrong with Peyton.
Okay.
Now you've got to remember.
This twenty four years ago before we were really talking
about this, okay, right, and she said, there's nothing wrong
with him.
We all have something wrong. He's just different, okay.
And right there that helped me because I no longer
looked at it as oh my god, you know what
I mean. Sure, she said, well, tell me she is
legitimately one of the best pediatricians on this planet.
She's still in business.
And I'm you know, my oldest is almost forty okay,
that's how long how long she's been a pediatrician.
Yeah.
And she sat me down and she said, look, let's
go by that he is autistic, because at the time
they would not test him till here was four, okay,
And she said, this is what's going to happen. She said,
if you go by that, he's autistic, because she said,
no one will ever tell me that a mother's instincts
aren't the best because she said, you guys can always
you know, she's a mother herself, right, she said, you
always feel things. And she knew I was very in
tune with my children. So she said, let's I want
you to go by that he is and if he isn't,
she said, you will never get up in the morning
and say why didn't I I should have? Oh, if
only I had, right, you will say, I am so
glad I did.
That was great advice, wasn't it.
And especially twenty four years ago. Yes, you know and
so and I just saw her a few months ago
and I talked to her about that, and she really
hugged me, and I said, you were such a game
changer for me because had you said well, you know,
and kind of put your hands up and you know,
da da da, and acted all stressed and didn't give.
Me that advice.
When I got the diagnosis, I would have gone to
bed for six months crying and saying what do I do?
Instead, it was just a blow.
And he was because when he started to walk to
I saw him go on the balls of his feet.
You know, he was doing all those things and his
speech was delayed and other people wouldn't say to me, well,
maybe the speech is delayed because he has three older
siblings and you when you guys, I'll speak for him.
And then when he started talking, he had his own
language and only my third.
Child could understand him.
Okay.
So we would always say, Preston, my third child's name
is President. Preston, tell us what Peyton is saying. So
he would come and tell us what Peyton was saying,
and Peyton would look at us like, how do you
not know what I'm saying?
Because Peyton said he was telling us.
Sure, but there were things like he couldn't say apple,
but he could get on a computer and figure out
how to find a bunny to color and print.
It right okay.
And so it was like I realized his brain was
working differently, and rather than discourage that, I encouraged it.
And I've told.
Peyton that he has awesomeism, not autism, because I told
him God made him the awesome one and the rest
of us are the same. I knew that society was
going to treat him differently. I wanted him to go
into it with a positive view of himself.
That's definitely a great way to look at it.
And then I.
Went through a horrific divorce, long time custody battle, and
I ended up getting remarried and I was still in
my custody battle, and my husband now said to me, listen,
I think you should start blogging, even if nobody but
one parent reads it, just to feel what you felt
being a parent homeschooled all their children because I was
a strong homeschooling activist for years. Okay, I was homeschooling
before anybody was talking about homeschool Like I said, my
eldest is almost forty.
Okay.
He said, give your viewpoint on things and if it
just helps one person, because when Peyton was little, there
wasn't anywhere near the conversation about autism that there is now, right,
So he said, maybe it'll help one parent. Well, my
blog blew up. The founders was a Flipboard found my blog.
They flew us out to paloel To to talk to
the tech giants, and it was just I was overwhelmed.
I'm like, why is anybody reading my blog? All I'm
literally doing is chatting like I'm having a cup of
coffee with somebody.
Right, people took to it.
I have always taken the approach of I'm an autism parent.
This is my autistic child. He has a voice. I
have a voice, His siblings, his father have a voice.
But we're going to tell you what we've experienced. It
doesn't mean that what you've experienced is the same thing.
And it doesn't mean we're right you're wrong. It means
let me tell you what worked for us. If it
works for you, great, If it doesn't, at least maybe
I have given you a little bit of comfort that
we've all are on this journey together.
Yeah, that's good.
That's kind of what my podcast is about, people telling
their stories. You can ask the same question to five
different people and get five different answers, which is good
because that way the listeners can hear those five different
answers and hopefully one of them might help them get
through something they might be going through at that point.
Exactly like with Peyton, we had the hardest time getting
him to read, and I bought everything there was. I
bought him every one of the little electronic things back then,
leap frog, you name it. Okay, we would put pictures
up on the refrigerator with a big A and a
picture of an apple. We'd put in a next to
the apple. I always had an apple basket and we'd
say apple, ay, apple nothing. One day, we're driving at
the time, I lived outside of DC, and we're driving
to Wegman's grocery store and he's reading the signs and
I thought, okay, he's memorized.
He memorized these signs.
Okay.
So it's me and my daughter in the car and
we get to the grocery store and I said, Peyton,
what does that say? And he reads it and I'm like,
were you going to memorize that? Because we've never bought that.
So we figured out he would always put the close
captioning on all the TV shows that he would watch,
and we would get frustrated because he always had the coquete.
But he was listening and reading, listening and reading, and
he taught himself to read through the close captioning.
Interesting, that's good.
Yeah.
So I've had a couple of their parents come to
me because I've heard me tell that story or run
my blog and said we tried.
It, it worked, thank you.
And I'm like, you know, if I just helped one
other parent not go to bed at and I bawling
their head off, and one other autistic have a little
easier life.
Then that's what we do.
And so I did the Awesomeism mom, and I've you know,
like this past last April, I went to Dubai spoke
at Iken. They picked seventy top autism activists from around
the world. Temple Grandon was the keynote. Doctor Kerry Magro
was at it. Tom Island. All those guys are very
famous autistics, right, And I was honored to be asked
to speak Wow and yeah, I was really honored. And
they wanted me to talk about Team Owesomism because we
have put together a virtual academy that is basically just
for artistic adults and it's to help them with life skills,
social skills, soft skills, fun skills because a lot of
them get very stressed, they get nervous.
So we have some videos on there that are.
Just funny so that they relax and we help them
with everything. And they're on videos because let's say they're
we're doing a cooking video. If they mess up it's live.
Sometimes they hyper focus on the fact that they missed
a part of it and then they missed the whole
thing and give up. They can stop the video, they
can loop it, they can run it a hundred times,
they can do what they need to do to learn
from it.
And so we did that.
But I found that so many people didn't really understand
our concept because I invented this concept.
And the reason why.
This all came about was I met a young man
that he's now forty five a few years ago, sweetest, kindest,
gentlest person.
He's autistic. Wind in one eye, death in one ear.
Wow.
He got on Twitter.
One day and said, I need to set up a
GoFundMe for ten thousand dollars. So I called him, I said,
what's going on? He said, my mom has to go
to court, and I'm afraid we're going to lose what
little we have.
His dad had died and so this was his stepdad.
Long story short, they basically threw no fault of their
own ended up in a very bad situation. They won
their case, but their house got destroyed.
They were in a mobile home.
That's such a sad thing to hear.
So me and some other people stepped up. We bought
them a home.
Wow.
They bought them a brand new home.
Well. His mother unfortunately died during this time. Oh no,
And so I noticed he was regressing some because he
didn't have his mom there every day. Sure, and I
started thinking about it because autistics can regress if they're
not positively stimulated. Okay, I said, boy, I would out
to do something like an online academy with videos where
they can watch them if they want to watch them
at three in the morning or whenever, and just have
everything music on there.
Cal mean, you name it.
My husband's like, yeah, that would be awesome. I said,
I wouldn't even know how to do that.
Two months later, my son, who is autistic, says, Kamire,
I want to show you something, and he had built
the entire academy. Wow. Yeah. So we did that.
And then when I went to Dubai, I became very
good friends with the company that does apps and other
high end technology in the special needs world, and they
offer to build us a state of the art, custom design,
custom built app that they're.
Doing right now.
Oh that's great.
This will be the most amazing And what we will
have on it is it will be called the Teammates.
It's going to be Team Awtimism.
Teammates program that people will subscribe will have three different
levels of subscription. They will subscribe to that and that
will fund the academy, so because I will never ever
ever charge an autistic adult to be on the academy,
because those who can afford it the least can need
it the most, and I want to do that. So
I decided to take this way bigger and we're going
to have roundtables. Chris was actually on our first round table.
We're going to have roundtables where we have every discussion
you can think of. We're going to have doctors on there,
we're going to have lawyers, We're going to have people
who have hired autistic adults.
We're going to have you name it.
Wow, that's just so great.
We will have extremely important topics like should I set
up a special needs trust? We'll bring on an autistic adult,
a parent, a couple of attorneys, and a finance guide.
But we'll do four of those roundtables so that you
like your podcast, which is what's so great about your
podcast is you get many different viewpoints because so often
you go, like to one attorney and they go, this
is what you need to do, but maybe that.
Doesn't fit you. So we will have this.
We're also going to have podcasts on there. We're gonna
have logs on there. We're gonna have music on there.
I've got some. I'm a massive country music fan. I eat, sleep,
and drink country music even though I'm from Chicago. So
I've got a couple of country music artists who let
us use their music though their music will be on there.
Nice.
My goal is this.
We traveled the country and this makes me emotional. We
traveled the country for five and a half months, okay,
this past year, from June to October. End of October,
and we spoke to so many families and autistic adults
in their families.
Suicide rate is very high.
Yes, it's very high, very high.
And we had one young woman.
We had on our autism shirts, me and my son
and my husband, and we were in a bakery and
she came up to me and said, you work in
autism and I said yeah, said I have a brother.
He's twenty seven, and he sat me down a couple
months ago and told me when mom dies, I'm killing myself.
A society doesn't accept me. And she said, please help me.
I don't want to lose my brother.
That's tough.
It's very tough, and I'm going to Mom grabbed me
in the hotel lobby because she saw my shirt and
she just started bawling and.
Said, my son killed himself this summer because he felt
so out of it.
Yeah.
I just did an interview the guy that tried to
commit suicide. He failed, Thank goodness. Now he's on the
other side of it and he can actually talk about it.
So we talked about what led him to get to
that point, how he is after that point. The one
thing that he told me, and he goes it's a
daily struggle.
That's their minds trying to cope.
With what's going on and still be able to live
from day to day without thinking of contemplating ending their life.
So it's very, very tough.
A lot of people don't know this, but it's the
second most cause of death amongst autistic people around the world.
Yes, that I know.
It's really something we have to address.
I completely agree, and that's part of the reason why
we have Team Owesimism and we're excited.
About the app as well.
Oh I like that, thank you.
I want to make a community where they get and
they come in and feel like they are awesome.
We do care.
You struggle with this, you can go and find a
round table and every single roundtable we plan to do
fifteen a month. In every single round table we do,
we'll have an autistic adult at that roundtable because I
want autistic adults to know that there are people out
there like you, like me, who want to hear their voice,
that we respect what they're saying, that we appreciate what
they're saying. Because I have legitimately had people stand with
me at an event with my son standing right there.
He's high functioning, he's totally verbal okay, and talk like
he doesn't exist, wow, And I've said, he's right here,
speak to him, why are you talking to me?
Last fall, I had Sam Huber on my podcast. He
told me about his autism and how he got to
do public speaking. I've had people come up to me
and say, I didn't realize autistic people could have kids.
This is what people don't get. So this is the
beauty of people being able to talk about things because
they can open up, they can tell their stories, and
then hopefully other people can hear those same stories kind
of like what you're doing, and hopefully you hear other
people that's gone through the same things that they're going
through or possibly going through. It can maybe ease that
pain or stress a little bit, oh one hundred percent.
And you know it's so funny.
Somebody say to me one day, well, what are you
going to do with somebody else kind of copies your idea.
I go, I'm going to.
Clap, I'm going to do backflips, and I'm going to
thank the Lord about that they did, because you know what,
there's eight to ten million of them that we know of, okay,
because a lot of them as adults are getting did
as adults.
Right There's no way I can reach all eight to
ten million.
So if there's one hundred of us, like you're with
your podcast, us with ours, we're not in competition. We're
standing hand to hand, going we're out here fighting this together.
Absolutely, I had the same thing said to me because
from what I gather, I'm the only podcast out there
that liked my podcast. When I started deciding that I
was going to do this, I started listening to some
podcasts out there that was about autism and Asberger's and
all that I was listening to it, I knew nothing
about what they were talking about, and it was way
over my head. And I'm going, if I'm a parent
right now, just finding out that my son or daughter
is autistic. And I'm listening to this podcast, I'm more
confused than I was before I started. So I decided
that this had to be a podcast that people tell
their stories, and then if they're telling their stories, other
people will hear it, and then if they can kind
of see similarities, then it might help them.
I love it, see and that's what we need because
I can tell you, as an apparent who found out
their child was autistic, when you can't find something or someone.
I had a mom come to me the other day.
I had moms all the time of little ones come
into my DMS and say, and sometimes I don't even
know they have an autistic child. They follow me on
social media and all of a sudden, they've been following
me for two or three years, and they'll come into
my DMS and they'll say, I just want to thank you.
And I had one the other day and I literally
stand on my bed in tears. I woke up in
the morning to a long text from her and she said,
I just want to say thank you. You make autism
an everyday thing. You show how it's a lifestyle, it's
every part of your life, whether you're cooking, you're cleaning
your you know, at a sporting event. Autism doesn't come
and go, it doesn't stop at eighteen. And you talk
to us like you're having a cup of coffee with me.
And she said, you have given me hope because of
Peyton and the way that you have approached it. And
I thought, that's all I'm trying to do, because I
see too many people. I saw an autism moth of
a five year old, and this really angered me. Okay,
she put out a post one day and said, if
you're not doing this and this with your.
Child, you're not doing what's right for your child.
And I had to read that like five times before
it really sunk in how horrible that was.
Yeah, and I.
Thought, how dare you tell other autism parents that if
they don't raise their child the way you're raising your doors.
First of all, you haven't even begun on this cycle
yet of dealing with them when they're in their twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
fifteen year old stage, or their eighteen year old stage,
or their friends are driving and they can't drive, or
they're afraid to drive like Peyton's afraid to drive, or
some of them don't want to ride bikes. How dare
you tell other autism parents this? That's why the stories
that are important.
I just interviewed a lady that's a special needs teacher
that has an autistic child, and she talked about how
she thought she was going to be this awesome mom.
She goes, and until you're a mother of autistic person,
you don't realize even though you teach them. And I
always ask at the end, you have any final thoughts.
And the one thing that she said that will resonate
with just what you said is that don't listen to
other people because they're always going to try and tell
you what you're doing wrong. And you know your child
better than anyone's exactly right.
She is one hundred percent.
And that's what we try to do with Team Owesimism Too,
is offer a wide variety, you know, we try to
show That's why. Like we had the roundtable that Chris
was on and Peyton was on, and a young man by.
Name of Martin, who's awesome. He's an autistic adult. I
love Martin. It's a great podcast interview too. Martin, and
then two women, Okay, we had two women.
All of them were autistic adults. All five of them
had completely different stories, right, All five of them had
completely different life experiences. And I love that because we
were showing the world here's my autistic adults, and every
single one of them approaches things differently. Every single one
of them has had different experiences. Right, Stop trying to
put it in this tiny little box that they're all
rain Then that was one of the things we heard
when we were on the road trip was from autistic adults,
stop calling us rain man.
Yes.
Now, my slogan for my podcast is autism Awareness, acceptance
and Understanding, because that was another part of the research
I did is I saw that they have autism.
Awareness and acceptance months.
But I'm going the more I started getting into this,
the more I started understanding and being able to carry
on conversations with people about it, and I'm going, you know,
they left out an important word in that phrase, so
I put that in mind. That's kind of what I
try and do is bring better understanding to other listeners
and other people about what autistic people and their families
have to go through in just day to day living.
Exactly.
That's exactly right, and that's why too. I always hashtag
autism acceptance and autism activism. Because when I speak, one
of the things that I always talk about is I
always tell this story. If I'm sitting at my desk
and I see an elderly person fall on their bike
and that person is hurt, and I just sit there.
I'm aware that they fell and that they're hurt.
Right, I'm not helping.
If I accept that they're hurt, and I accept that
I should do something, I actively get up, I go
out there, I call nine one one, and I help them.
So we have to get past this awareness and stop
just saying autism awareness and keep talking about, like I
love your word, understanding. When people understand that autism is
a spectrum, that they all have a very different life story,
that they all come from different walks of life, right,
then they will understand how to address autistic adults. I mean,
I had a woman Peyton, and I ran an event
and there was a woman and she was representing one
of these you know, newer type senior fifty five plus communities,
indoor apartment complex type thing where they have the big
you know, joint area that they can.
Eat breakfast together and stuff.
Okay, I went up there and I said, I was
wondering if you have any autistic adults that live in
your building.
And she said, oh, we don't take autistic adults.
I said, I'm not talking about low function I'm talking
about high functioning. I said, because she said, we're not
nursing home. I said, I'm not talking about ones that
you have to cook for and clean and do those
kind of things I'm talking about.
And I said, like my son. Here.
She completely ignores my son and she starts saying, well,
we don't really want them because they can't cook. I said,
my son cooks. He cooks, he makes his own recipes.
He's actually the brand ambassador for a seat a barbecue
seasoning company. Yes, he knows how to cook. And she's
just still ignoring them. She said, well, they never drive.
I said, actually they do. And she just kept giving
me all these.
Stereotypes, and I finally said to her, just curious, have
you ever heard of a man by the name of
Elon Musk?
Just gonna throw that name out.
There right right, And she goes, of course, he's the
richest man in the world. And I go, and he's autistic.
He could buy your company one hundred and fifty times over.
And he's autistic. Yeah, And then I walked away because
I was so mad and I would throw home white
knuckled angry. You know.
Peyton's like, calm down, you know, she just doesn't get it.
And I'm thinking, how sad is this that he's so
used to that behavior?
Right, So we get home.
I tell my husband and I said, I'm so mad.
I feel like going on social media and just absolutely
lambasting that company. And he said, no, that's not going
to do any good. He said, what you need to
do find out who owns that company. Yeah, call their
corporate have a conversation with them and tell them this
is not right.
So, long story short, we.
Did okay, and they had me come and speak to
them about it.
And guess what, they had autistics living there. They didn't
even know it.
Yeah, you know, and that's one of the big things
that I haven't tackled, ye even though we've talked about
it in my episode.
I've got a lady here in Nashville that.
Runs a place and it's basically for autistic people and
special needs, and that's housing. That's a big issue across
the country for autistic people is housing because they just
don't have it out there yet.
No, they don't.
And I'll tell you part of what we do with
the Virtual Academy, and we will raise awareness on the EBB.
But what we do with the Virtual Academy is this,
We teach cooking on there and we show them to
that if they're afraid it was stuff stover and oven,
because not all we want to get you use the
stover oven, you can use an air fryer, you can
use a crack pat, you can use the microwave. We
teach them how to clean like we have a video
just about cleaning the toilet, how to organize your closet.
And this is something that I say everywhere I go
if I'm going to put my child, because people will
tell me that have no connection to autism, well they
can go live in and assisted living.
My dad lived in an assistant living. He can afford it.
And I, rather than I argue with people, I say, well, yeah,
how long is your dad there? Well, it probably there
five years. Okay, Now let's look at this from the
autistic standpoint. I'm sixty three, my son is twenty four.
He's the youngest of four children.
If I die at eighty five, which is a ripe
old eight. My son is still going to be in.
His late forties, right, Okay, so if he lives to
seventy five, he has to live for thirty years. Now
I'm lucky. I have three other children who fight overtaking him.
But let's say I didn't. Okay, if he goes into
an assisted living and it's those are five to twelve
thousand dollars a month, right if the parent leaves them
a half a million dollars because the parent has had
to live off of their retirement and everything due, Okay,
really may half a million dollars they get social Security
if they have to cover the difference between what they
getting social Security and living there five thousand a month,
that's sixty thousand dollars a year. That counting medicine, not
counting their clothing, that counting everything. Okay, so they're out
of money.
In ten years.
Yeah, if they're thirty five, when they go in there
at forty five, who's taking care of them?
And that's a huge thing that comes up in a
lot of my episodes. They are so concerned on what
happens to my child if I'm not.
Here exactly, And this is one of the biggest reasons
why we did the Team Ostomism Virtual Academy. If I
could take some of them, teach them how to cook,
how to take care of themselves better.
How to groom, how to shower, how to do.
These kind of things. Then if they go live in
an apartment with another one or two other autistic adults,
we work with the therapy dogs. We work with a
woman by the name of aj Collin. She's one of
the best dog therapists out there. You have a dog
or two, so you have the therapy serviced on the technology,
and then they can live there and guess what that
five hundred thousand dollars now has them taken care of
for fifty years. They can stay there. This is one
of my biggest things with the Virtual Academy is every
skill set that we can teach them every time, we
can show them that they don't need to be overly stressed,
they don't have to have the anxiety that they are,
that they can do things, because you know what, then
the ones who can't take care of themselves, there's way more.
There's more beds for them, so to speak, because if we.
Put them all in there, there's not even enough for
my age group, in nursing homes in my age group.
So how do people get in touch with you? People
going to hear this and some that might need some help.
How do people get in touch with you so that
they can go over some of the things that you do?
Okay, you can go to our website Team Owesimism and
it's awe SOMSM dot com.
You can go to that, you can follow us.
We're on all social media, or you can email me
at Lynn at awesomismmom dot com. You can go to
that website. I am always available to people if they
need help, if they want to sponsor an autism family
for the app, we have all the stuff on there
if they want to be a sponsor. If this small
business or an individual and they want to be a
sponsor on the app. Part of what we'll have on
the app is also going to be listing all of
the autism friendly businesses, like your podcast will be listed
on there.
It'll be in the.
Podcast area so that you have even more of a
group to listen to your podcasts. Because what you do
is exactly what we want. If I could stand on
my roof every day and just scream at people and say,
all you have to do is give one hour a
month to help someone in the autism world.
Would you do it? I guarantee you most people would.
They just don't know what to do.
That is so true. People don't understand it. They talk
with all these people and they don't realize it. All
you have to do is just talk to this person. Now, granted,
there's a huge spectrum on autism. Like the old saying
you met one person with autism, you met one person
with autism. It's the same in the neurotypical world, because
we're all different. Get to know them, understand them, find
out what they're about, and then you might have a
little more empathy for him because you're understanding what they're
going through exactly.
And the other thing, too, is we have a seventy
five to eighty five percent unemployment rate among autistic adults.
This is completely unacceptable.
And I also feel like wants people to use your
word understanding or my word of activism.
Let me give you an example.
We had to gentlemen come over and look at our
hot water heater. And he was a independent plumber, super
nice guy, really good guy. And we were sitting there
talking and somehow we start talking about autism and he said, oh,
he said, John, I was in special needs learning when
I was growing up. He said, I just I was
a very slow reader. And he said, you know I'm older.
I'm in my late.
Forties and he said, I you know, I've.
Always kind of he said, my parents started homes going
me because I could keep up. And I said, well,
can I ask you something? I said, would you consider like?
And I was talking about team Assimism and what we're doing,
and I said, would you consider maybe interning and on
to stick at OAT?
He said one.
He said, I totally understand that. He said, they probably
would actually focus on what we're doing. He said, I
can't hire people. People don't want to go into the trades.
People everybody wants to go work in the business and
be the billionaire the next week. And they don't want to,
you know. He said, they don't want to do all
these things. He said, I'd hire someone in a heartbeat.
And it got me thinking, good, here's another thing we're
going to do on round tables.
Here's another thing we're.
Going to do with team Assimism. We're going to teach trades.
I'm going to bring experts in trades in.
Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that is that is really good.
I really appreciate you coming on. This has been great,
I mean, just a really good conversation.
I love it. I listen.
I love your practice, I love your concept of it.
I love everything you're doing. I think it's phenomenal and
you can count on me to be one of your
biggest fans in promoting it.
Thanks.
I really appreciate that, and I have to say I
really truly enjoy what you're doing as well. So thanks again,
Thank you so much.
It was such an honor to be on here and
I really really enjoyed it.
It was my pleasure, and thanks again.
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