Nintendo Switch Overtakes PlayStation 2 in the US

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<v Speaker 1>morning mess with November twenty twenty four US video game sales.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Matt Piscatella at Sircana. Let's just hop
<v Speaker 1>right into it. He posted all this on Blue Sky.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just copying it from that. Projected November twenty twenty four,
<v Speaker 1>US consumer spending on video game hardware, content, and accessories
<v Speaker 1>fell seven percent when compared to a year ago, to
<v Speaker 1>five point eight billion dollars. Year to date spending is
<v Speaker 1>flat last to year to last year, which you know,
<v Speaker 1>the we'll get into the details here pretty quick. The
<v Speaker 1>following seven percent not too alarming because last year's November
<v Speaker 1>had a new Call Duty. This year, that Call of
<v Speaker 1>Duty came out in October, so that was gonna be
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a a you know, and you
<v Speaker 1>compare from one year to thet nex. That was always
<v Speaker 1>going to be difficult. And then the fact that year
<v Speaker 1>to date spending is flat through this point of the
<v Speaker 1>year is actually much better than what people were anticipating,
<v Speaker 1>so I think. So things are pretty okay for video
<v Speaker 1>games overall. But yes, total video game sales down seven percent.
<v Speaker 1>Video game content is where most of those losses were at,
<v Speaker 1>down nine percent. Again, that was because Call of Duty
<v Speaker 1>came out October last year, or no November last year.
<v Speaker 1>In October this year, video game hardware was flat, and
<v Speaker 1>then video game accessories were up four percent, so not
<v Speaker 1>too bad. Let's see here. The November spending decline was
<v Speaker 1>driven in part by the debut of Call of Duty
<v Speaker 1>Black Op six in October this year. While Call of
<v Speaker 1>Duty was more modern Warfare three launched during the November
<v Speaker 1>tracking month a year ago. Video game content spending dropped
<v Speaker 1>nine percent versus a year ago to four point five billion.
<v Speaker 1>Growth in mobile and non mobile subscription content spending was
<v Speaker 1>offset offset by dips across other areas of content. Console
<v Speaker 1>content spending was the biggest contributor to the decline, following
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine percent versus a year ago. Here's something worth
<v Speaker 1>noting that non mobile video game subscription spending grew eight
<v Speaker 1>percent when compared to a year go. That's because of
<v Speaker 1>Call of Duty as well, So apparently that really did
<v Speaker 1>have a pretty big positive impact on game Pass and
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, the game sold very well at retail,
<v Speaker 1>so they kind of got the best of both worlds
<v Speaker 1>with that one.
<v Speaker 2>Huh, right, And that's I think what their strategy is
<v Speaker 2>in general moving forward as we look too stories about
<v Speaker 2>them not wanting to keep as many things exclusive a
<v Speaker 2>or if anything for that matter, Because this is what
<v Speaker 2>I've been saying for a long time, they get all
<v Speaker 2>the money, Like, maybe things look different in the in
<v Speaker 2>the near term, but yeah, if you can get your
<v Speaker 2>subscription to grow while also gaining the traditional model over
<v Speaker 2>their own PlayStation, it's kind of a win win, right.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yes, I mean that seems to be where
<v Speaker 1>they're head. We talked about it on BombCast yesterday that
<v Speaker 1>there was the story going around that they're done with exclusives.
<v Speaker 1>If anything, they have timed exclusives like Indiana Jones going forward.
<v Speaker 1>Seems like they're going to pull off that band aid
<v Speaker 1>and just do that, and then the result is probably
<v Speaker 1>going to be mostly positive for them. Where you know,
<v Speaker 1>the people that are into game Pass now likely most
<v Speaker 1>of them likely won't just abandon it to go like,
<v Speaker 1>well then I'll just go get a PlayStation and buy
<v Speaker 1>the games there. They seem to be happy with this
<v Speaker 1>way of doing things, so they can maintain that, maybe
<v Speaker 1>grow it here or there with something like a new
<v Speaker 1>Call of Duty or a massive new Game of the
<v Speaker 1>Year game maybe that they might release that could still
<v Speaker 1>grow that side of things, and then everyone else could
<v Speaker 1>just buy those games on Steam and PlayStation or Xbox
<v Speaker 1>just get the retail copy, and yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It's options, and options are good for the consumer, even
<v Speaker 2>if you know, you might feel a little weird if
<v Speaker 2>you've invested in an ecosystem, But I think we've sort
<v Speaker 2>of taught that one to death at this point. It's
<v Speaker 2>ultimately going to be good for everyone.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. From the top twenty best selling games of the month,
<v Speaker 1>Call of Duty was number one, Madden NFL twenty five,
<v Speaker 1>number two, EA Sports Football Club twenty five at number three,
<v Speaker 1>EA Sports College Football twenty five at number four, it
<v Speaker 1>jumped back into the top ten. Apparently some sales helped
<v Speaker 1>with that Dragon Ball sparking zero number five after being
<v Speaker 1>number two last month.
<v Speaker 2>Still hanging around.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that game's selling very well. Yes. Super Mario Party
<v Speaker 1>Jamboree up to six after being number seven last month.
<v Speaker 1>Mario and Luigi Brothership actually sold less than the Super
<v Speaker 1>Mario Party Jamboree in its second month. Mario Luigi Brothership
<v Speaker 1>new release at number seven. Yeah, I mean, I think
<v Speaker 1>you'd like to see it maybe be above there in
<v Speaker 1>its first month, like it's debut month on the chart,
<v Speaker 1>but no, couldn't and it's never well, yeah, not as
<v Speaker 1>well again.
<v Speaker 2>I guess Mario Party in any metric for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yep Sonic Across Shadow Generations was number eight, number nine
<v Speaker 1>NBA two K twenty five and number ten Dragon h
<v Speaker 1>The Vailguard after being number six the month before, so
<v Speaker 1>that was also still hanging around that. I know there's
<v Speaker 1>some questions about has that game hit. It's clearly not
<v Speaker 1>hitting as hard as as it possibly could, but you know,
<v Speaker 1>still being in the top ten I suppose is something
<v Speaker 1>of a good sign. And then yeah, the other new games,
<v Speaker 1>Dragon Quest three was number twelve and my SIMS Cozy
<v Speaker 1>Bundle number nineteen, So.
<v Speaker 2>There you go, Mike Benic's favorite butt.
<v Speaker 1>Yes exactly, he loves cozy bundles. Yeah. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>any big takeaways from this month.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's good to see Dragon Quest there, I
<v Speaker 2>guess relative to the scale, because this doesn't quite say
<v Speaker 2>yeah a number, I don't know how much, but it's
<v Speaker 2>good to see an old school RPG, you know, at
<v Speaker 2>least in the top twenty there relative to everything else
<v Speaker 2>that's cool. Marvel you know, is there at the bottom
<v Speaker 2>and number twenty NBC Collections, so it's good to see
<v Speaker 2>people picking that up. I think also because of sales
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. Yeah, I think maybe nothing too surprising this month, though.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, same for year to date. E A Sports College
<v Speaker 1>Football twenty five still the best selling game of the year.
<v Speaker 1>There is more to that. We'll get to that story
<v Speaker 1>here in a second Call of Duty Black Ops repeated
<v Speaker 1>as the month's best selling video game, ranking as the
<v Speaker 1>number two best selling game of twenty twenty four year
<v Speaker 1>to date. Price promotion helped several titles gain in make
<v Speaker 1>gains in the November sales rankings when compared to October.
<v Speaker 1>That includes Madden EA Sports FC twenty five and Marvel
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man two, which is number fourteen on the chart.
<v Speaker 1>Stalker two hard Chernobyl debut at number six on the
<v Speaker 1>Sircanada Player Engagement Tracker Monthly Active User chart on Xbox
<v Speaker 1>Series during November, while also ranking ninth on Steam. The
<v Speaker 1>title launched as part of Xbox Game Pass. November video
<v Speaker 1>game hardware spending was flat compared to a year ago,
<v Speaker 1>at nine hundred and twenty seven million dollars made across
<v Speaker 1>all the hardware. Fifteen percent spending growth on PlayStation five
<v Speaker 1>hardware was offset by a twenty nine percent year on
<v Speaker 1>year drop in Xbox Series spending and a three percent
<v Speaker 1>decline in switch spending. PlayStation five Pro accounted for nineteen
<v Speaker 1>percent of total PlayStation five units sold in the month
<v Speaker 1>and twenty eight percent of the dollar sales. So that's
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's probably around what the expectations are going
<v Speaker 1>to be for Place.
<v Speaker 2>Five Pro in the long run. PS four pro was,
<v Speaker 2>was it? Yes, So starting off at twenty and then
<v Speaker 2>you'll eventually peter out that.
<v Speaker 1>Peter It'll peter out, and you know it's got the
<v Speaker 1>late start, like there's already a ton of PS fives
<v Speaker 1>out there and there was exactly, So, yeah, that sounds
<v Speaker 1>like that's how you get to an end of generation
<v Speaker 1>split around ten percent by starting off at twenty percent.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, bay way be partly forget chat. Remind me that
<v Speaker 2>the NVC collection gots physical release that includes a comic
<v Speaker 2>book in that month, and so those sales are probably
<v Speaker 2>counting for it going from eighty seven to twenty on the.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly, So it was number eighty seven the month before,
<v Speaker 1>jumped up to twenty. Yes, all right, let's hear anything
<v Speaker 1>else worth mentioning the dual Yeah, the Dual Sense wireless
<v Speaker 1>controller Midnight Black was still the best selling game pad
<v Speaker 1>in terms of dollar sales. The month, yeah says.
<v Speaker 2>Those things break like crazy, and people want the black
<v Speaker 2>one because controller.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, Okay, yes, and you know the Actually, this
<v Speaker 1>might actually be the first month in a while where
<v Speaker 1>the dual Sense Edge wasn't the number one selling thing
<v Speaker 1>in dollar sales. But this is the kind of thing
<v Speaker 1>that does sell really well during the holidays. A just
<v Speaker 1>typical kise.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you pick it up as a second controller for
<v Speaker 2>like the new console you're getting for yourself for someone else.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, all right, So let's get in some of
<v Speaker 1>the other stories from this. Nintendo Switch has now out
<v Speaker 1>sold the PlayStation two in the United States. This is
<v Speaker 1>from my Nintendo News. The official United States hardware and
<v Speaker 1>sales trackers SIRCANA, has revealed today that the Nintendo Switch
<v Speaker 1>has finally out sold the dominant PlayStation two console in
<v Speaker 1>the United States. The Nintendo Switch family of systems has
<v Speaker 1>now shifted over forty six points six million units since
<v Speaker 1>launching in March twenty seventeen. This means that the Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>Switch is now second only in the United States to
<v Speaker 1>the best selling Nintendo DS console, which proved to be
<v Speaker 1>a force to be reckoned with. This is the quote
<v Speaker 1>from Matt piscatell A lifetime unit sales and Nintendo Switch
<v Speaker 1>have now exceeded those of PS two, With its forty
<v Speaker 1>six point six millions units sold life to date, Switch
<v Speaker 1>now ranks second all time. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 1>put out a number for what the DS is at
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, it's probably not too much more
<v Speaker 1>than that, but I could see it around fifty million
<v Speaker 1>maybe in the United States. But hey, the Switch outsawing
<v Speaker 1>PS two just in one country, a major market like this,
<v Speaker 1>that's impressive.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it definitely is and not too surprising frankly that
<v Speaker 2>the Switch has been a bit of a phenomenon, right,
<v Speaker 2>and it feels equivalent to when the DS was around
<v Speaker 2>and you saw it just absolutely everywhere, and the PlayStation two,
<v Speaker 2>of course was just in most homes across the US
<v Speaker 2>at that time because people want a DVD player. And
<v Speaker 2>so it's impressive that Nintendo is still keeping this momentum
<v Speaker 2>going with a dedicated gaming handheld that doesn't really do
<v Speaker 2>anything else, like they're even closing some media apps on
<v Speaker 2>that platform. So the fact that is just a dedicated
<v Speaker 2>video game console that you'll pick up for yourself and
<v Speaker 2>your family, or you'll buy a light for the kiddos
<v Speaker 2>to play like Pokemon and stuff on.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>They're doing really well with it, and I think we're
<v Speaker 2>seeing the results here yep.
<v Speaker 1>I mean even the even though we had a benefit
<v Speaker 1>of that media stuff right where, it's like that was
<v Speaker 1>what a lot of people are to Netflix on and
<v Speaker 1>the Switch just doesn't have any of that. Really. I
<v Speaker 1>guess my kids sometimes watch YouTube on it, but that
<v Speaker 1>feels unnatural.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like so many discussions have been had before
<v Speaker 2>just smart TVs and you know, chrome casts and nothing else.
<v Speaker 2>Like everyone has a million ways to watch that stuff,
<v Speaker 2>all right, so you don't need it. So yeah, that
<v Speaker 2>Intendo focusing onbout stuff. I think people give them some
<v Speaker 2>crap early in the generation, even I thought, man, this
<v Speaker 2>is a little bare bones guys. You can put like
<v Speaker 2>an apps page over there, like you know, the p's
<v Speaker 2>five eventually got But nope, they focused and they put
<v Speaker 2>out a good product and this is what we see afterwards.
<v Speaker 1>Gotta say, as much as smart TV's are ubiquitous, I
<v Speaker 1>used a YouTube TV on PS five, boy, that just
<v Speaker 1>works way better on a very powerful console than on.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, when when you yeah, like insane hardware behind
<v Speaker 2>those streaming apps, Like I still because I am a
<v Speaker 2>PC hooked up to my TV, I'll oftentimes just like
<v Speaker 2>fire up even sometimes that you can get the TV
<v Speaker 2>versions of apps in your web browser, and I'll just
<v Speaker 2>do that using my computer because all instant and snappy.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, instant, that's what I'm surprised. You're You're right.
<v Speaker 2>Using a console has always been the better way to
<v Speaker 2>do that, even since like the three sixty era, when
<v Speaker 2>those smart TVs first started to like hit the market
<v Speaker 2>and they were slow, man, But using my three sixty
<v Speaker 2>that was nice and snappy there, and like you know,
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, I even even with that being the case,
<v Speaker 1>I still just kind of use the TV because it's
<v Speaker 1>more convenient. But I'm lazy. What am I? What am
<v Speaker 1>I gonna do?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? We know, uh ea.
<v Speaker 1>Sports College Football is now the US's best selling sports
<v Speaker 1>game of all time. This is from James Batchelott Games
<v Speaker 1>Industry dop is Electronic Arts. College Football game is now
<v Speaker 1>the biggest selling sports video game in United States history
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to dollar sales. That's according to the
<v Speaker 1>November report from Sircana, which also reports the Sports College
<v Speaker 1>Football twenty five is among the top fifty best selling
<v Speaker 1>games of all time by the same metric. It is
<v Speaker 1>also the biggest selling game of the year so far
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Price promotions drove the title back
<v Speaker 1>into the top ten of the monthly charts, beaten out
<v Speaker 1>only by Madden NFL twenty five and Call of Duty
<v Speaker 1>Black Ops six. The latter was cited as a key
<v Speaker 1>factor of blah blah, the stuff we already talked about. Yeah, hey,
<v Speaker 1>this game really did just pop off in such a
<v Speaker 1>massive way and continues to sell very well. But boy,
<v Speaker 1>in that first week it kind of raced to the top.
<v Speaker 1>It was the best selling game I think the incident.
<v Speaker 1>It came out the best selling game so far of
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, and it hasn't relinquished that even with
<v Speaker 1>a new Call of Duty coming out, which you know,
<v Speaker 1>we don't get numbers from Sircana. We don't really get
<v Speaker 1>numbers from these companies. But in the past, call Duty
<v Speaker 1>comes out, it's instantly the number one best selling game
<v Speaker 1>of the year unless there was a Rockstar game. So
<v Speaker 1>the fact that EA Sports College Football was able to
<v Speaker 1>maintain that just shows it was a massive, massive seller.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very impressive. I guess I you know, I'm kind
<v Speaker 2>of unfamiliar with why this phenomenon has been happening. I've
<v Speaker 2>just been hearing about it happening. Do you do you
<v Speaker 2>maybe want to give a brevi adversity of like why
<v Speaker 2>this would be the case?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, So college football went away with EA Sports
<v Speaker 1>NCAA Football in fourteen, which came out in thirteen, and
<v Speaker 1>that went away because there was a lot of issues
<v Speaker 1>with NIL like name, image, and likeness where that stuff were.
<v Speaker 1>The companies weren't allowed to use that stuff back then.
<v Speaker 1>Since then, there have been some Supreme Court cases that
<v Speaker 1>have opened that up, and now college players can get
<v Speaker 1>paid money for their name, their image, or their likeness.
<v Speaker 1>EA has made an agreement with all the player that
<v Speaker 1>are in the game to legally use that stuff. They
<v Speaker 1>were able to bring it back, and there's been this
<v Speaker 1>dearth of college football games for ten years. At the
<v Speaker 1>same time that college football, which was already massively popular
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, has only gotten more popular and
<v Speaker 1>more ubiquitous because the college football playoffs have happened. And
<v Speaker 1>now we have an expanded college football playoffs this year
<v Speaker 1>with twelve teams in there. So it's bigger than ever,
<v Speaker 1>a massive industry, and now this game is there to
<v Speaker 1>capitalize on it. So there was this pent up demand
<v Speaker 1>and this game just absolutely hit hard right at the
<v Speaker 1>heart of that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the game is very good. From everything I'm here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really solid. You know, it's in the a
<v Speaker 1>sports game. There's going to be some parts that are
<v Speaker 1>less than but overall it's a really fun football game.
<v Speaker 1>So I thought they doe a very good job with it.
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed playing it myself. Yeah, let's see here. Sticking
<v Speaker 1>with these stories for a little bit, switched To is
<v Speaker 1>projected to be the clear winner in the console generation.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Ali Reynolds at Nintendo Life.
<v Speaker 2>D Crystalbology to look into for this one.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, this is one where it's like, well, I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure this is maybe the safe bet, but who knows
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's hear them out here.
<v Speaker 1>DFC Intelligence, a long standing research and consulting firm for
<v Speaker 1>the video game industry, has projected that the upcoming switch
<v Speaker 1>To will be the clear winner of the next generation
<v Speaker 1>console A generation in its twenty twenty four Video Game
<v Speaker 1>Market Report and Forecast. The report states that the switch
<v Speaker 1>successor due to the due to be officially announced before
<v Speaker 1>the end of March twenty twenty five, is projected to
<v Speaker 1>sell between fifteen and seventeen million units in twenty twenty five,
<v Speaker 1>provided Nintendo is able to maintain a healthy supply. Looking
<v Speaker 1>ahead further, DFC states that it will likely reach eighty
<v Speaker 1>million units by twenty twenty eight. As for the competition,
<v Speaker 1>DFC predicts that both Sony and Microsoft should release new
<v Speaker 1>systems by twenty twenty eight, but says that only one
<v Speaker 1>of them will be successful. It refrains from specifying which
<v Speaker 1>one at this point, noting that the hypothetical PSIX would
<v Speaker 1>have the advantage of a loyal base and strong IP,
<v Speaker 1>while Microsoft has the option to pursue alternative software and
<v Speaker 1>distribution models. Okay, I mean, if we have to sit
<v Speaker 1>here and make our bets today, is this sounds right?
<v Speaker 1>But who knows? Right?
<v Speaker 2>What's up the whole? Only only one Xbox or PlayStation
<v Speaker 2>will be successful. I wonder which one? I know, Well,
<v Speaker 2>you know Microsoft's are here with that this is an Xbox.
<v Speaker 2>G I wonder which one they're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's probably God, we get it. We know what's
<v Speaker 1>going to happen there basically, Yeah, And then I think Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the switch to sort of comes out and is just
<v Speaker 1>what everyone expects it to be, and then there's a
<v Speaker 1>new three D Mario and a new Mario Kart and
<v Speaker 1>a new Animal Crossing and all these things, and then
<v Speaker 1>may be one or two surprises. This thing probably does
<v Speaker 1>race to eighty million units by twenty twenty eight, which
<v Speaker 1>puts this system far ahead of like where the PS
<v Speaker 1>six is going to be launching in a few years,
<v Speaker 1>although not that that matters all that much.
<v Speaker 2>Right, No, I don't think so. This is all just
<v Speaker 2>so funny and me because, of course, a Nintendo that
<v Speaker 2>is doing well is going to do better than the
<v Speaker 2>competition because of how entrenched the brand is, and that's
<v Speaker 2>just always the way it's been. They've fluctuated, they've made
<v Speaker 2>big old mistakes in the past, certainly, but when Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>is firing on all cylinders, like, yeah, they do shoot
<v Speaker 2>ahead the competition, as we saw with you know, with
<v Speaker 2>the the DS and the Wii and now with the
<v Speaker 2>Switch and everything. It, Yeah, it makes sense. It's just
<v Speaker 2>going to happen, absolutely, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's always the chance that they beefit some
<v Speaker 1>they get something wrong. The exact console is less exciting
<v Speaker 1>than people realized, and then you look around in two
<v Speaker 1>years and I'm like, man, people are not talking about
<v Speaker 1>the switch to the way they talked about the Switch.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe people are just over it.
<v Speaker 2>Then as a yeah, as a sequel, unless it does
<v Speaker 2>something revolutionary, you know, like the PlayStations of the PlayStation two,
<v Speaker 2>it's going to sell less than the previous console, like
<v Speaker 2>for sure, that just makes sense as well. It's that
<v Speaker 2>way anytime you have a sequel to something. But as
<v Speaker 2>long as they're not going, you know, down a we
<v Speaker 2>to we you route where it's hard to convey what
<v Speaker 2>the product is, then I think they're going to be
<v Speaker 2>perfectly fine. Because if it's more of the same and
<v Speaker 2>you just say, oh, it's if you just make it
<v Speaker 2>very clear. It's so powerful and it runs these new
<v Speaker 2>games that your old thing doesn't run, and you just
<v Speaker 2>you know, make that marketing very clear, it's still going
<v Speaker 2>to perform very well because people want the new Nintendo thing,
<v Speaker 2>and in the long run, as the systems go down
<v Speaker 2>price snary thing, they're going to say, my kids want
<v Speaker 2>the new thing, and it's definitely going to be something
<v Speaker 2>I buy if nothing else, because it probably gonna be
<v Speaker 2>cheaper than a competition too, at least in the long run.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's like you said, it's entrenched advantages right
<v Speaker 1>where it's having a Mario having Mario Kart heaving an
<v Speaker 1>I'm acrossing these games that there are subcultures built around
<v Speaker 1>that people just want, like Mario Party, Like this is
<v Speaker 1>just what the family gets to play video games. Here's
<v Speaker 1>the new one, all the new ones on the switch
<v Speaker 1>to I guess it's been a few years since we
<v Speaker 1>got a console, and it's only it's only this much
<v Speaker 1>compared to that. You're right, all that stuff is just
<v Speaker 1>built in, and then you know, very quickly the advantage
<v Speaker 1>becomes and that's where Pokemon is, and it's like really
<v Speaker 1>hard to oversteak how important that is. And and it's
<v Speaker 1>like that is an automatic several tens of millions of
<v Speaker 1>consoles sold because of Pokemon.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Pokemon alone is such a wild advantage to
<v Speaker 2>have because, uh, we we talked the other day about
<v Speaker 2>like the most uh it was when we were doing
<v Speaker 2>astrobot speed riding in Jordan was here and we were
<v Speaker 2>like the most overrated video game series. I think about
<v Speaker 2>that one a little bit, and you and Dan instantly
<v Speaker 2>said Pokemon and me and Jordan were like, no, it's
<v Speaker 2>not Pokemon because Pokemon fans hate.
<v Speaker 1>Pokemon, so it's properly rated.
<v Speaker 2>We just buy it anyway. But yeah, and I think
<v Speaker 2>even if the the parents who are going to be
<v Speaker 2>buying consoles in the next decade here are now from
<v Speaker 2>our generation, and you know, it's like millennials buying consoles
<v Speaker 2>for their kids, and obviously we are much more knowledgeable
<v Speaker 2>as a generation totality of video games, and it's not
<v Speaker 2>just oh, we know Mario and then after that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it kind of peters out a little bit. No, Like
<v Speaker 2>people who are in their thirties and forties are aware
<v Speaker 2>of video game culture in general as well as even
<v Speaker 2>the casuals are just they know Mario, they know Mario Kart,
<v Speaker 2>they know Smash, and so they will instinctively think to themselves, oh,
<v Speaker 2>the thing to get for my kid is going to
<v Speaker 2>be a switch slash switch to. So that's yeah, all
<v Speaker 2>the advantages there to Nintendo. But that's why it's I
<v Speaker 2>think impressive that currently the PS five is doing as
<v Speaker 2>well as it is is because it's selling to I
<v Speaker 2>guess a different market in general and doing very well there.
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's That's also why that would be
<v Speaker 2>the console to watch between the two Xbox and Microsoft,
<v Speaker 2>or sorry, Xbox and PlayStation in the next generation.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, all right, let's take a quick break. When we
<v Speaker 1>come back, let's talk about Amy Hennig's Marvel game, which
<v Speaker 1>should we have not mentioned in a little bit. We'll
<v Speaker 1>do that right after this. All right, let's get right
<v Speaker 1>back into it. Amy Hennig reveals new Marvel nineteen forty
<v Speaker 1>three Rise of Hydra details and a little bit of
<v Speaker 1>concept art the sirm Jordan Midler at VGC. Amy Hennig
<v Speaker 1>has shown off new concept art from Marvel nineteen forty
<v Speaker 1>three Rise of Hydra and discuss new details about the
<v Speaker 1>forthcoming game. Marvel nineteen forty three Rise of Hydra was
<v Speaker 1>revealed during an Unreal Engine showcase at GDC in March
<v Speaker 1>and stars Drew Morrilane as Captain America and Carrie Payton
<v Speaker 1>as Black Panther, with a release set for some time
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty five. Hey led us to a bunch
<v Speaker 1>of interesting things, Amy Hinnig told Entertainment Weekly Oneovich was
<v Speaker 1>not only to tell a story about a young Steve
<v Speaker 1>Rodgers who's still trying to find his feet as opposed
<v Speaker 1>to the more seasoned guy that I've seen in a
<v Speaker 1>lot of the films. It also let us introduce a
<v Speaker 1>new black panther of nineteen forty three. The development team, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>The development team's Guidance Games is being led by Amy Hennig,
<v Speaker 1>the director of the first three Uncharted games. It led
<v Speaker 1>us to tap into all the things that I love,
<v Speaker 1>all of the wonderful tropes of the World War two
<v Speaker 1>era adventure films, classic men on a Mission movies and
<v Speaker 1>all of that, And it continued, There's a lot of
<v Speaker 1>intrigue in our story, a lot of twist and turns,
<v Speaker 1>fascinating characters, and interesting locations. Hannig also debuted new concept
<v Speaker 1>art from the game, which shows a glimpse at the
<v Speaker 1>jungles of Wakanda and Marvel nineteen forty three. I might
<v Speaker 1>have that, but I guess, I guess, Sean, I'm like
<v Speaker 1>trying to let myself start to get excited about this one,
<v Speaker 1>because I suppose it's starting to feel real. And I'm
<v Speaker 1>someone who didn't ever like fully fall in love with
<v Speaker 1>the first three Uncharted games, but then I played on
<v Speaker 1>Charted four and it was in a different mood, and
<v Speaker 1>it really hit pretty hard. And I know that wasn't
<v Speaker 1>wasn't her as much, but it's definitely based on some
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff that she was lead the foundation for.
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm just in the mood for a big
<v Speaker 1>adventure game these days. Coming off Indiana Jones, this sounds
<v Speaker 1>like it might be right at my alley. Sounds like
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're going for. How about you?
<v Speaker 2>Is this a safe space where we don't have Mike
<v Speaker 2>here so we can say that, Yeah, the unchared games
<v Speaker 2>aren't as cray as he thinks they are.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah you could say that. I mean, he's still
<v Speaker 1>gonna get mad at you.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I still like them a lot because because
<v Speaker 2>I grew up a big two Raider fan. Sure, but
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of all the same game just they drop
<v Speaker 2>ready here.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Chardy four was just still pretty. I couldn't help
<v Speaker 1>but like it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I did like playing the entire games a
<v Speaker 2>lot back in the day. I do think four is
<v Speaker 2>made the one that hit the most for me. And
<v Speaker 2>so I know what you're saying there. It's why I'm
<v Speaker 2>really looking forward to playing Indy here a little bit here.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this, uh, this game is interesting because the
<v Speaker 2>fact that it was. I didn't hear by it first
<v Speaker 2>because it was revealed at that Unreal Engine GD showcase thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, why would they be showing you there,
<v Speaker 2>of all places, and then you'll watch it it's like, oh, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this game is pretty looks yes, it looks real good.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, assuming that this is, you know, just like
<v Speaker 2>all in engine real time stuff, even if it's cutscenes. Dang,
<v Speaker 2>that looks good.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, it's it's uh, I hope it comes out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't see key are Yeah, well yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>This is the the concept art of one of the
<v Speaker 1>jungles in Wakanda, and yeah, looks very cool. But at
<v Speaker 1>this point, it's like, man, I really still don't fully
<v Speaker 1>know what to expect from this game. It also feels
<v Speaker 1>like Marvel games are so treacherous for these developers, where
<v Speaker 1>they put a lot of money into it, and will
<v Speaker 1>they hit while they won't or will they not? Will
<v Speaker 1>they miss completely? You know, the most recent example of
<v Speaker 1>Marvel Rivals is something that hit very hard. This is
<v Speaker 1>going to be very different, but I don't know. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>that changes people to be in the mood for I've
<v Speaker 1>been having fun with these characters in this game. Over here.
<v Speaker 1>What else can I do? And maybe this game will
<v Speaker 1>be waiting for them that sort of situation. It's hard
<v Speaker 1>to say, but either way, I'm glad that Amy Hitty
<v Speaker 1>got to make a video game. It's been a long
<v Speaker 1>time and hey, and it'll be nice to hopefully see
<v Speaker 1>this next year.
<v Speaker 2>And if this game is going to carry maybe some
<v Speaker 2>of the legacy that she worked on and having more of,
<v Speaker 2>like say the PlayStation cinematic game feel to it, I
<v Speaker 2>think a game that is MCU coded is a very
<v Speaker 2>good choice for that, because that's kind of how those
<v Speaker 2>movies have always felt to me. And so I think
<v Speaker 2>this is a good fit together, right, Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I think it's a good fit and has the
<v Speaker 1>potential to kind of be the game that people were
<v Speaker 1>kind of always hoping they would get from a Marvel
<v Speaker 1>video game. You know. Obviously Spider Man has done exactly
<v Speaker 1>that for a while now. But then I think people say, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>now we're going to have a Captain America and Black
<v Speaker 1>Panther game, and they imagine probably what this is going
<v Speaker 1>to be and not necessarily what Marvel's Avengers was from Square.
<v Speaker 1>So yes, I think there's a chance for this one
<v Speaker 1>to do very very well. You know, could be next
<v Speaker 1>year's Indiana Jones, right, that there's a real possibility that
<v Speaker 1>that's how this goes down next year. Well okay, yes,
<v Speaker 1>and next year's India Agens could just be Indiana Jones.
<v Speaker 2>Still, for a lot of people, I'm not sure this
<v Speaker 2>game is next year.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, apparently it's supposed to come out in twenty
<v Speaker 1>twenty five. You're right, say a lot of Jason.
<v Speaker 2>We've seen no gameplay as far as.
<v Speaker 1>I know, I think I'm with you on that that
<v Speaker 1>I will be very surprised if this comes out next year. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all right. Hell Divers two gets kill Zone cosmetics from
<v Speaker 1>Alberto Garrido at Game Reactor, winner of Best Game or
<v Speaker 1>Best Development Game and Best Multiplayer Game at the Game Awards.
<v Speaker 1>Helldivers two is now in the midst of a new
<v Speaker 1>campaign to expand democracy against the new faction of the
<v Speaker 1>Illuminati or Squids, as the Super Earth propaganda machine has
<v Speaker 1>already taken care to take care of. Tell each soldier
<v Speaker 1>what the new truth or what the new propaga limbs here,
<v Speaker 1>I'm got mixed up, but with the New Truth enforcers
<v Speaker 1>war bond in all. But it's time to call in
<v Speaker 1>some outside help. Arrowhead has just announced that it's the
<v Speaker 1>first official Hell Divers crossover will begin, and it will
<v Speaker 1>be with Gorilla games is now defunct kill Zone franchise.
<v Speaker 1>Hell Divers will be able to equip hell Gas inspired armor,
<v Speaker 1>which is hardly democratic, but that's another topic, as well
<v Speaker 1>as a cape flag and title badge all based on
<v Speaker 1>the game, plus the STA fifty two assault rifle, which
<v Speaker 1>I think is also from Hell Divers. Hey, I'm sorry, sorry,
<v Speaker 1>from kill Zone. This is weird, right, kill Zone being
<v Speaker 1>the first one, I guess. I guess it makes sense
<v Speaker 1>from a point of view of the aesthetics are pretty similar, right.
<v Speaker 2>So we're dressing as the Nazis.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you're dressing as the hell Gas.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, as the hell gast Well okay, yeah, that.
<v Speaker 1>Turns turns out you dressed as a fascist the entire
<v Speaker 1>time in hell Divers too.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I don't know from the point of view
<v Speaker 1>of hell Divers to bringing in any game, what could
<v Speaker 1>they bring in? Uh? I guess kill Zone just wasn't
<v Speaker 1>on my list because it's like, we would they want
<v Speaker 1>to remind people about kill Zone.
<v Speaker 2>But hey, I would have said that, like if it
<v Speaker 2>was internal PlayStation. That's by far the one that makes
<v Speaker 2>the most sense to me.
<v Speaker 1>Sthetically makes the most sense, and I guess would be
<v Speaker 1>easy to.
<v Speaker 2>Do, especially if you're pulling from the first three rare
<v Speaker 2>than shadow Fall once they went hyper futuristic like this. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Helldivers is more of that aesthetic, more of the you know,
<v Speaker 2>old fashioned trooper kind of a deal that they got
<v Speaker 2>going on there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you do you think as Christian chattis screaming that.
<v Speaker 2>He's Ye, he's freaking out. I'm happy for Christian.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that this has any implication for the
<v Speaker 1>future of the kill Zone franchise?
<v Speaker 2>Hell? No, Jeff, If nothing else, I would assume that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Shadow Fall was a good game. It wasn't great, it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't amazing, but the shadow Fall was very solid and
<v Speaker 2>I would love it if they continued in that direction
<v Speaker 2>like that. It was a fun time. It has issues,
<v Speaker 2>but like the old school, kills Zone was never really
<v Speaker 2>my thing because, if nothing else, it really contributed to
<v Speaker 2>that era, being the gray and earthy, brown tone era,
<v Speaker 2>you know, on the PlayStation side of things, it kind
<v Speaker 2>of was to what Gears of War was a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>I guess what may be equivalent of what those games
<v Speaker 2>were doing for their respective platforms.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I think the likely scenario here is Sony's
<v Speaker 1>just getting more comfortable with being like, hey, no, we
<v Speaker 1>have these old franchises. We're not doing anything with them,
<v Speaker 1>including kill Zone. But that doesn't mean we are trying
<v Speaker 1>to put them in a little cage, you know, a
<v Speaker 1>little box and then bury them forever. You could still
<v Speaker 1>play around with that stuff if you want. Other development
<v Speaker 1>teams that we work with, So yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean especially yeah, like I'm bouncing Gorilla going back
<v Speaker 2>to this because like, right, no way her Horizon's a hit,
<v Speaker 2>and it's certainly a much happier thing to put out
<v Speaker 2>there into the world in general.
<v Speaker 1>And they it takes up a lot of their time.
<v Speaker 1>They're constantly working on several Horizon projects. So yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>think it's very unlikely that they take any of those
<v Speaker 1>resources and put it towards a new kill Zone. In
<v Speaker 1>Vidia's new app is causing large frame rate dips in
<v Speaker 1>many games. Kyle Orland at Ours Technaco. When Invidia replaced
<v Speaker 1>the long standing g Force Experience app with the new
<v Speaker 1>unified Nvidia app last month, most GPU owners probably noted
<v Speaker 1>the refresh and re rebranding with nothing more than amusement.
<v Speaker 1>Now testing shows that running the new app with default
<v Speaker 1>settings can lead to some significant frame rate dips on
<v Speaker 1>many high end games, even when the app's advanced AI
<v Speaker 1>features aren't actively being used. Tom's Hardware noted the performance
<v Speaker 1>dip after reading reports of related problems around the web.
<v Speaker 1>The sites testing with and without the Nvidia app installed
<v Speaker 1>confirms that across five games running on an RTX forty sixty,
<v Speaker 1>the app reduced average frame rates by around three to
<v Speaker 1>six percent, depending on the resolution and graphical quality level
<v Speaker 1>of the site's measure. Frame rate drop peaked at twelve
<v Speaker 1>percent for Assassin's Creed Mirage running at TENA V Ultra settings.
<v Speaker 1>Others tested included other testing games including boulders Gate three, Blackmith,
<v Speaker 1>Wukong of Flight. Similar twenty twenty four in Stalker two
<v Speaker 1>showed a smaller drop at most settings, But three to
<v Speaker 1>six percent is not nothing. That's like sometimes sometimes you
<v Speaker 1>can go from one GPU generation to the next and
<v Speaker 1>stay in the same stack, and that's the performance improvement
<v Speaker 1>that you get. It's like five to ten percent, So
<v Speaker 1>that big of a hit is pretty rough. My understanding
<v Speaker 1>is what's happening here is there are AI features in
<v Speaker 1>the Filters that that you can apply to these games
<v Speaker 1>inside the Nvidia app, and the Nvidia app brings all
<v Speaker 1>this stuff into one place, and also is the thing
<v Speaker 1>that enables you to upgrade your GPU using the app
<v Speaker 1>without having to sign end. So there's benefits to this thing.
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna want it to work out, yeah, without them
<v Speaker 1>to sign in thankfully once, I know, but that's nice.
<v Speaker 1>But apparently this the Filters app that you could apply
<v Speaker 1>to any game, is just running into the background and
<v Speaker 1>even when you're not using it, even when it's turned off,
<v Speaker 1>it is using resources and causing Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those have always been there, but they haven't
<v Speaker 2>been AI powered, so they haven't been using the hardware
<v Speaker 2>of your GPU in the same way and to the
<v Speaker 2>same level.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I mean, but I mean when you haven't
<v Speaker 1>turned off, presumably they wouldn't affect your game at all.
<v Speaker 1>So the fact that when you haven't turned off now
<v Speaker 1>it's actually hurting the gameplay. The recommendation here is don't
<v Speaker 1>use the NVIDI app until this is fixed, go back
<v Speaker 1>to g Force experience, uninstalled the Nvidia app, or completely.
<v Speaker 1>There's a way to completely remove those filters from the
<v Speaker 1>Nvidia app. That's another thing you can do.
<v Speaker 2>Those are what's doing it? Yeah, because those filters aren't
<v Speaker 2>going to be a game changer.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you don't. I've got I think I looked at
<v Speaker 1>those ones and be like, no, thanks, I'm okay, that's fair.
<v Speaker 2>This has me wondering how well do those no new
<v Speaker 2>Intel cards work on Linux? Because maybe I just I'm
<v Speaker 2>ok make a new build. Maybe I just make the
<v Speaker 2>jump in both directions. Screw it. I'm getting tired of Windows,
<v Speaker 2>getting tired of Nvidia. What if I just you know,
<v Speaker 2>what if I myself be the guinea pig and see
<v Speaker 2>how that goes. That's where I'm at.
<v Speaker 1>Stem os build with an Intel graphics card.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, a slapp either Ubuntu or because I wonder
<v Speaker 2>do those work with bazite. I know Bazeit Striver's favor AMD,
<v Speaker 2>but I'm kind of wondering.
<v Speaker 1>About what they do. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I God, I'm just so tired of the PC space
<v Speaker 2>slowly being ruined by the major companies not understanding what
<v Speaker 2>players want and like in Nvidia is doubling down in
<v Speaker 2>all this tech bro AI stuff and everything, and it's.
<v Speaker 3>Like, we just want performance from the games, dude, we
<v Speaker 3>don't want all of this added tact on stuff that
<v Speaker 3>your app is going to like force on us and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So if your app is bad, boy, that's a bad
<v Speaker 2>look because we kind of need it for our stuff
<v Speaker 2>to work properly, you.
<v Speaker 1>Know, yep, yeah, for sure. I I you know that
<v Speaker 1>they don't. We don't want it. We're not asking for
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, but investors certainly are and that's what they're
<v Speaker 1>doing here. And it's yeah, also frustrating.
<v Speaker 2>And Video has felt a little miss guy for a
<v Speaker 2>while though, because one of the reasons I'm looking at
<v Speaker 2>those new Intel cards is they got twelve gigs of
<v Speaker 2>video memory on them instead of like the eight that
<v Speaker 2>in Video keeps insisting that oh, that's all people need,
<v Speaker 2>so that's all we get on there to cut us
<v Speaker 2>for us and make a higher profit at like four
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I dohn't know.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's feeling like with my next bill. I
<v Speaker 2>think the smart thing to do is made to just
<v Speaker 2>wait and see what Nvidia announces for their next generation.
<v Speaker 2>See yes, yeah, it's gonna be the five thousand series.
<v Speaker 1>Here.
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, Jeff, if that fifty sixty that
<v Speaker 2>they announced, if they announced it there has like eight
<v Speaker 2>gigs of RAM. I'm just gonna say this, this company
<v Speaker 2>has no idea what the hell they're doing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's fair. I really am addicted to DLSS,
<v Speaker 1>like I'm like, oh, I just need it on. I
<v Speaker 1>don't even think about it at this point. It's like
<v Speaker 1>it'd be hard for me to lose that. But not
<v Speaker 1>even every game supports dls S yet, so I guess no.
<v Speaker 2>But and what's important is that the alternatives are getting better.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Intel stuff actually is an x LSS or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which, if you believe their old marketing, should be ZSS.
<v Speaker 2>But god, I'm never going to call those z But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they're even FSR is getting a lot better, which is
<v Speaker 2>important for consoles because that means the console players can
<v Speaker 2>have this really cool ups going too, even if it's
<v Speaker 2>not as good. That's really good to see. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the people who do testing, like Digital Foundry and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>they're saying that like XCSS, when properly implemented, like DLSS,
<v Speaker 2>is kind of similar quality. So it's cool that people
<v Speaker 2>are getting cheaper options that look good because you know,
<v Speaker 2>the market leader doesn't want to do that right now, which, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm always trying to tell people PC gaming
<v Speaker 2>is not as expensive as you think it is. If
<v Speaker 2>you're sticking around console specs and you know, putting out
<v Speaker 2>cheaper cards like Intel is doing, it's a good look
<v Speaker 2>for the well. And Nvidia having issues with their app
<v Speaker 2>here even is not a great look for them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think ideally what comes out of this next
<v Speaker 1>couple of years is those Intel cards that are two
<v Speaker 1>fifty just crushed, just do very very well, and that
<v Speaker 1>will sort of reset a little bit of the pricing
<v Speaker 1>in the space because the other companies will have to
<v Speaker 1>get competitive. And I think AMD was not forcing Nvida
<v Speaker 1>to be as competitive as as they once were, and
<v Speaker 1>maybe Intel can force the issue a little bit. It's like,
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, AMD didn't care as much as certain ployment, maybe
<v Speaker 2>because of the CPU market they just overtook that instantly
<v Speaker 2>with gamers. So I think maybe they just didn't care
<v Speaker 2>as much about the the GPU side of things because
<v Speaker 2>Nvidia just you knows, it's in everyone's computer, so they
<v Speaker 2>just didn't see the point competing anymore. Yes, I'll say
<v Speaker 2>Intel on those new cards, they're they're looking pretty noise.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Why is there an image of Mark Serny talking
<v Speaker 1>about flop flation going around? I guess okay, place they
<v Speaker 1>she was posted a thirty seven minute Mark Serny video
<v Speaker 1>PS five pro Technical Seminar at Sony Interactive Entertainment HQ.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I'd assume he's He would be talking about
<v Speaker 2>how terra flops aren't the measurement that people think they are.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, and that that number is they get bigger,
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mean what people think it means. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not the only measurement of the performance of
<v Speaker 2>a piece of GPU and never, never.
<v Speaker 1>Really was that useful. Okay, let's see your last story.
<v Speaker 1>I have written down skibbity Toilet's reportedly flushing into Fortnite
<v Speaker 1>this week. Hooray. This is from Blair Marnw at GameSpot.
<v Speaker 1>If it's in pop culture, then it's going to inevitably
<v Speaker 1>end up in Fortnite in some form or another. Now
<v Speaker 1>it's apparently skibbity Toilet's turn to make an entrance into
<v Speaker 1>the popular Battle Royal shooter game. Fortnite. Leakers spush fnbr
<v Speaker 1>has what was the first report that a Fortnite Cross
<v Speaker 1>Skivvy Toilet collaboration and will drop tomorrow, December eighteenth, with
<v Speaker 1>a plunger Man's skin with a Lego variant for fifteen
<v Speaker 1>hundred v bucks, as well as a Skibbity Toilet backpack
<v Speaker 1>for six hundred v bucks and a pickaxe plunger Man's
<v Speaker 1>plunger for eight hundred v bucks. The bundle for all
<v Speaker 1>three will reportedly cost twenty one hundred v bucks. Skippity
<v Speaker 1>Toilet is the creation of Alexi Garazimov, whose YouTube channel
<v Speaker 1>series debuted a series of machinema shorts depicting a war
<v Speaker 1>between toilets with human heads and the Alliance people who
<v Speaker 1>have electronic devices in place of their heads. Earlier this year,
<v Speaker 1>Garssamov reportedly entered talks with director Michael Beay regarding the
<v Speaker 1>Skippity Toilet film and TV series adaptations.
<v Speaker 2>I forgot about that part.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I forgot about that too, that's true, and I
<v Speaker 1>remember we did talk about that, but I forgot about it.
<v Speaker 1>Skippy Toilet is the guy's head, which hed is it?
<v Speaker 1>The dude from Half Life two? And a toilet?
<v Speaker 2>Which one is the g Man?
<v Speaker 1>Is it? G Man? I thought I think g Man
<v Speaker 1>might be one of the other creatures in the universe.
<v Speaker 1>It is okay, people are saying it as g Man.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, it's like g Man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so that's from Half Life and so yeah,
<v Speaker 1>a little weird that now Skibbitty Toilet, which I think
<v Speaker 1>actually they are genericizing the face a little bit to
<v Speaker 1>bring it into Fortnite. That would be my guess is
<v Speaker 1>like that would be the thing they have to change
<v Speaker 1>because otherwise that this probably would turn into a copyright
<v Speaker 1>infringement thing and Epic wouldn't want it. But I guess
<v Speaker 1>Skibbity Toilet is maybe transformative enough that they feel comfortable
<v Speaker 1>doing that, And I have to agree it's the most
<v Speaker 1>transformative work of art this century, Sean, as you and
<v Speaker 1>the kids must know.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I had never heard of this shit until
<v Speaker 2>you brought up in that one episode Game as Mornings.
<v Speaker 2>I had to look you up, like, what the hell
<v Speaker 2>is this man talking about? Yeah, then we did that
<v Speaker 2>stream where it's in a game on.
<v Speaker 1>Steam, and that's right.
<v Speaker 2>I just don't kid the whole thing that they were
<v Speaker 2>explaining there of like this whole big universe of the
<v Speaker 2>toilets versus the humans or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>It gets crazy, like the first video. First video is
<v Speaker 1>just and as Hammond of Texas is correcting here, and
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate this guy. That face in the twillt is
<v Speaker 1>not g Man. It's a male City seventeen citizen, just
<v Speaker 1>a random one. And then the G Man does show
<v Speaker 1>up later as one of these giant like mechs, and
<v Speaker 1>I think he's like on a giant toilet or something
<v Speaker 1>like that, and he's got rockets on his shoulders. It's awesome, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>it's the whole way that. Like, So the first video
<v Speaker 1>starts with him just popping his head out of the
<v Speaker 1>video and singing the Skibbity song, and then by like
<v Speaker 1>the fourth episode, there's a giant war between like dudes
<v Speaker 1>with cameras for heads and these massive toilets flying around
<v Speaker 1>with rockets for shoulders. It's a beautiful thing. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know how much of that's gonna make it in a
<v Speaker 1>Fortnite though, I.
<v Speaker 2>Just who cares? This is the old news, Jeff Christmas,
<v Speaker 2>Mariah Carey is coming to Fortnite?
<v Speaker 1>Well really, yeah, okay, I bet you're right. That's way more.
<v Speaker 2>That's the good news this morning.
<v Speaker 1>Like the cover from her like of her album Machine
<v Speaker 1>and that out. Yes, like maybe the most Christmas image
<v Speaker 1>that has ever been recorded by human beings. All right,
<v Speaker 1>that's fantastic. Is that dropping tomorrow as well?
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, so I would just post it
<v Speaker 2>from all these leakers I always see.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but it's probably coming very soon. So it's already
<v Speaker 1>December eighteenth today, No one drop?
<v Speaker 2>Oh that a song in festival too?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there we go. Actually just be able to
<v Speaker 1>play it on the the the menus and stuff. One
<v Speaker 1>of the men Yeah, four nights back, I think so,
<v Speaker 1>I think it might be back. All right, that's fun. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll find out what else. Mark Serni is saying,
<v Speaker 1>maybe talk about that tomorrow on the show. But I
<v Speaker 1>think that does it for the headlines on this episode
<v Speaker 1>of Game lest Mornings. Let's get to the poll question
<v Speaker 1>which I have over here, and this is from a
<v Speaker 1>long time ago, two weeks ago. It says nine days
<v Speaker 1>so not as bad as sometimes have you played Marvel Rivals?
<v Speaker 1>There it is twenty nine percent said yes, seventy one
<v Speaker 1>percent said no. That was nine days ago. I suppose
<v Speaker 1>people could have kept voting on this. I think that
<v Speaker 1>numbers is just going to keep getting bigger. But that's
<v Speaker 1>pretty big. I guess freaking that just just came out.
<v Speaker 1>Twenty nine percent of respondents of the almost four people
<v Speaker 1>four thousand people who voted saying that they have played
<v Speaker 1>this game. I don't know. I have enjoyed what I've
<v Speaker 1>played of this game, But when we were playing Call
<v Speaker 1>of Duty last night, I was like, I'm good with
<v Speaker 1>just sticking with Call of Duty for now. Is maybe
<v Speaker 1>how I'm feeling personally.
<v Speaker 2>They feel enough of different niches. I think they can
<v Speaker 2>each stand alone. And I think a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>are going to pass on Marvel Rivals because of how
<v Speaker 2>much it is just Overwatch. And even if it's it's
<v Speaker 2>like Overwatch remix basically, and that's I still find that
<v Speaker 2>very fun, especially as someone who felt a little burned
<v Speaker 2>by where they took Overwatch and then Overwatched two kind
<v Speaker 2>of being a mess. I think it's I think Marvel
<v Speaker 2>Rivals is a very fun time and they're doing a
<v Speaker 2>lot of things right with it, like pulling it out
<v Speaker 2>as free to play with a bunch of characters right
<v Speaker 2>off the you know, right off the bad. I think
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a quality game. I'm having fun with
<v Speaker 2>playing with my friends. But I totally give people one
<v Speaker 2>pass because they felt like they've been here and done that,
<v Speaker 2>you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or you know, even been there and done that
<v Speaker 1>with Marvel stuff for the last decade and a half,
<v Speaker 1>where it's like I'm just not excited about these things.
<v Speaker 2>That's true too, Yeah, people have Marvel fatigue. Yep, I
<v Speaker 2>get it.
<v Speaker 1>I get it too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jeff breaking news on this whole Fortnite situation. I'm
<v Speaker 2>hearing that it's not just Santa Maria, it is Santa
<v Speaker 2>Snoop and Santa Shack as well.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Okay, I would like to do an oops all Shacks.
<v Speaker 1>That would be fun. Oops all Shacks would because Santa Shack, though.
<v Speaker 2>He has Christmas grenades on his belt.
<v Speaker 1>What the hell, that's just how he lives. That's just
<v Speaker 1>how we.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Nicky is saying we missed it. Checks on the Star.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now Nicky's saying, wait wait.
<v Speaker 2>Wait our Fortnight reporter on the ground mans crossed.
<v Speaker 1>Well either way, yeah, I guess we'll find out we
<v Speaker 1>are checking.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, thank you, thank you, NICKI doing good work
<v Speaker 2>out there.
<v Speaker 1>You know. Then let's do this new poll question. Are
<v Speaker 1>you still playing hell? Divers two. Kind of curious to
<v Speaker 1>see how people are feeling about that. They've done a
<v Speaker 1>lot of updates recently, a lot of new stuff, so
<v Speaker 1>seeing if people are hopping back into there. We'll get
<v Speaker 1>the results of that and talking about talk about it
<v Speaker 1>here on Game mess Mornings on Giant Bomb. Speaking a
<v Speaker 1>Giant Bomb GB at Night should be on the BombCast
<v Speaker 1>feed and the GB Presents feed today. The video should
<v Speaker 1>also be on the website, so if you're looking for that,
<v Speaker 1>go go ahead and track that down, right. It was
<v Speaker 1>a good time, really enjoyed talking everybody.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, Yeah, it was fun to watch.
<v Speaker 1>Good good, glad, Glad you're able to make it. It was
<v Speaker 1>a it was a fun time.
<v Speaker 2>It was nice hanging out there.
<v Speaker 1>Also speaking to Giant Bomb, we're going to play Marvel
<v Speaker 1>Rivals here in a little bit on the website of
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to that. That's right. I gotta make sure
<v Speaker 1>I'm updated because there was a big update, wasn't there.
<v Speaker 2>It's a small download. It's a big patch is what
<v Speaker 2>is like decompress It's very large.
<v Speaker 1>It looks like it might have been updated already. It
<v Speaker 1>might be good, Okay, fantastic, So we'll do that we'll
<v Speaker 1>have a voicemail dump truck this week. We're going to
<v Speaker 1>try to get the first episode of Dan's new season
<v Speaker 1>of Blake Club going this week, so look out for
<v Speaker 1>all that. Anything else she mentioned, Sean, I can't remember.
<v Speaker 2>No, I think we're pretty much caught up there. Apparently
<v Speaker 2>four Sorts Fiesta is happening here on Giant Bomb, as
<v Speaker 2>well as a PlayStation showcase. I wonder how long that's
<v Speaker 2>been in this document.
<v Speaker 1>That's where it lives now. Yes, I changed that a
<v Speaker 1>lohile have not changed that for a minute. All right, Sean,
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for hanging out with me today
<v Speaker 1>and talking about video games. Man, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's a fun time.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for listening, Thank you for watching. You're
<v Speaker 1>the best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a
<v Speaker 1>good one, take care of yourself, and goodbye.