Ep. 431: The Complete Hulk Hogan | The Birth of Hulk Hogan (Part 3, Terry's First Match)

<v Speaker 1>It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed
<v Speaker 1>Fan presents the Complete Hull Cogan, a real American story,
<v Speaker 1>brought to you by Garage Pierre.
<v Speaker 2>So now we've firmly established here in the Complete Hulkgan
<v Speaker 2>that getting him into the ring for the first time was,
<v Speaker 2>let's say, a circuitous bone breaking journey or bone s
<v Speaker 2>braining journey at least, and leave no doubt as to
<v Speaker 2>the root of Hulk Cogan slash Terry Boley's lifelong paranoia
<v Speaker 2>about being taken advantage of in the.
<v Speaker 3>Wrestling ring.
<v Speaker 4>Lard.
<v Speaker 3>So we've got a very clear idea.
<v Speaker 2>The Heromatsuda story has been put under the microscope as
<v Speaker 2>only TLF can do.
<v Speaker 3>We dare anybody else to get.
<v Speaker 2>Closer to the truth than we were able to, and
<v Speaker 2>we're still left quite.
<v Speaker 3>A bit confused. Yeah yeah, I mean, honestly, the only
<v Speaker 3>thing we'd the only thing that would kind of really
<v Speaker 3>uh confirm everything, is if we were able to get
<v Speaker 3>the medical report right fucking hospital.
<v Speaker 2>Right, like dates the time stamped x rays or something
<v Speaker 2>like that. Right, of course that's not in the cards.
<v Speaker 2>But what is in the cards is the very first
<v Speaker 2>professional wrestling match of Terry Bolea, and of course, this
<v Speaker 2>being Hull of Hogan, it's not so simple. This guy
<v Speaker 2>told stories for years about how his first opponent was
<v Speaker 2>Brian Blair.
<v Speaker 3>Brother, Well, it was what do you want? I'm brother.
<v Speaker 3>The thing is, dude, see not everyone knows exactly when
<v Speaker 3>see brother. So it's because what you saw on television
<v Speaker 3>doesn't necessarily mean it's the first thing.
<v Speaker 4>Brother.
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, none of your earliest matches were on television.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they were Tom saying do you see what I see?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're gonna do this now, so that becomes settled truth.
<v Speaker 2>Brian Blair, of course, a Tampa contemporary of Hulks and
<v Speaker 2>lifelong friend of his, is more than happy to embrace
<v Speaker 2>this version of history. And then you know, websites start
<v Speaker 2>popping up that do these exhaustive reviews of newspaper archives
<v Speaker 2>and results archives and other kind of contemporaneous reporting about
<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the rings of the various territories.
<v Speaker 2>You know, the newspaper archives become much more widely available
<v Speaker 2>and queriable, and all of a sudden, you know, these
<v Speaker 2>databases like wrestling data pop up and boom, there's a
<v Speaker 2>match before the Brian Blair match of course, that very
<v Speaker 2>clearly Terry Bullaa participated in against a longtime journeyman named
<v Speaker 2>Don Serrano, and it's now pretty much accepted that was
<v Speaker 2>indeed Terry Bulay's first match. But that doesn't take away
<v Speaker 2>all of the pomp and circumstance of that fateful match
<v Speaker 2>with Brian Blair that was referenced as feeling very much
<v Speaker 2>like Hulks made in voyage in that ring, because of course,
<v Speaker 2>what do you know, Boss, he sent in the ring
<v Speaker 2>without any idea of how it's going to turn out.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course it's real. Despite knowing that it's
<v Speaker 3>fake numerous times, it's still real before he goes out there.
<v Speaker 2>And then nature of this kind of complication is it's
<v Speaker 2>not so much they didn't have their fifteen minutes worked out.
<v Speaker 2>They did, they did, but the folks in the back
<v Speaker 2>thought it would be advisable and funny or at least
<v Speaker 2>some part of the initiation process. If after the fifteen minutes,
<v Speaker 2>these two relatively you know, wet behind the years green
<v Speaker 2>rookies do their whole routine, empty their arsenals, do everything
<v Speaker 2>they plan to do for the people, peak and everything
<v Speaker 2>like that, What if all of a sudden. At that point, Boss,
<v Speaker 2>the ring announcer says, fifteen more minutes to go, fifteen
<v Speaker 2>more minutes.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, oh my god.
<v Speaker 2>What are these two brand new and the wrestling business
<v Speaker 2>left to do?
<v Speaker 3>Brother? Why what does this serve?
<v Speaker 2>So they can stand there and laugh as these two
<v Speaker 2>try to figure out how to improvise a wrestling match, which,
<v Speaker 2>for Terry Bulay is the very second time he's ever
<v Speaker 2>stepped into a wrestling ring before a live crowd in
<v Speaker 2>the Florida territory there. So I mean, look, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>no kidding, he's being backstat by no good Jack Toney,
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, like it's happening right here at the beginning. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Root causes right, Yeah, yeah, I'm coming around to this belief,
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen members of the Solar System posit this
<v Speaker 2>and bravo to folks that you know listen to the
<v Speaker 2>show on Patreon and take the time to comments terrifically
<v Speaker 2>insightful things being said as we go through the entire
<v Speaker 2>life and career story of Hulkgan here on the Complete
<v Speaker 2>Hull Cogan, brought to you, of course by Garage Beer.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's only something that needs to be rammed
<v Speaker 2>home they're just noticing these little They're coming up with
<v Speaker 2>great alternative theories as to why the people who were
<v Speaker 2>around at the time and still commenting today say what
<v Speaker 2>they say, like a Jerry Brisco Yes, yes, And I'm
<v Speaker 2>coming around to this feeling that you know, as much
<v Speaker 2>as Jerry has to say in retrospect that they saw
<v Speaker 2>money in Terry Buller from the beginning, and Eddy Graham
<v Speaker 2>saw money in Terry Buller from the beginning. I think
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that is probably in retrospect because of
<v Speaker 2>how stupid they would look if they didn't see money
<v Speaker 2>in him from the beginning. They were doing a lot
<v Speaker 2>of things to him that you don't do to somebody
<v Speaker 2>that you think is going to be a cash cow
<v Speaker 2>in terms of ushering them into the business. There was
<v Speaker 2>a reason Hulk always talks about how a Paul Orndorf
<v Speaker 2>or Brian Blair for that matter, seemed to just sort
<v Speaker 2>of walk in, get trained, and get on the circuit,
<v Speaker 2>having matches without all of this smoke and mirrors and
<v Speaker 2>a year on the shelf and being put to the
<v Speaker 2>test by Matt Suda. We saw how rail thin and
<v Speaker 2>goofy he looked in that training.
<v Speaker 3>Fact. Yeah, I wouldn't think he was a fucking champion.
<v Speaker 3>He looks like a I mean, he looks like a
<v Speaker 3>job or at best.
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, everyone has seen the footage by now, yeah, And
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of this sort of mythologizing about
<v Speaker 2>what happened and why came before that footage came out.
<v Speaker 2>But once you see what he looked like, and once
<v Speaker 2>you see how he presented and how much it stood
<v Speaker 2>in start contrast to the muscled up, true hulk that
<v Speaker 2>territories in this in this business had absolutely no choice
<v Speaker 2>but to push, just because of how much you jumped
<v Speaker 2>off the page. I think that's when a lot of
<v Speaker 2>the yeah we always knew bullshit starts.
<v Speaker 3>Well, because the last thing you want to be is
<v Speaker 3>the guy who who who you know didn't know at
<v Speaker 3>that point, right, you know, like you need to have known, you.
<v Speaker 2>Need to have known you Yeah, right. I mean you
<v Speaker 2>were in the case of a Brisco, I mean you were,
<v Speaker 2>you were office, you owned a part of the territory.
<v Speaker 2>You had almost like a responsibility to not look at
<v Speaker 2>gift horse in the mouth, to not you know, exploit
<v Speaker 2>a potential marketable talent, And it's almost like dereliction of duty.
<v Speaker 2>If you didn't see money in the biggest box office
<v Speaker 2>attraction in the history of wrestling. So, of course, of course,
<v Speaker 2>over the years, that's going to become kind of the
<v Speaker 2>subtext of everything that happened to Terry Bullia breaking in
<v Speaker 2>in the Tampa Sportatorium. But I'm I'm now really calling.
<v Speaker 3>That into question.
<v Speaker 2>I really think that it's much more likely that they
<v Speaker 2>were just having a laugh at this guy's expense, and that,
<v Speaker 2>dare I say it, this early in the journey, Hogan's
<v Speaker 2>paranoia was justified?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Dare I say that Hulk Hogan for a reason?
<v Speaker 3>I would say maybe I would say this, I would
<v Speaker 3>say that maybe Hulk Hogan's paranoia is a learned trait.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, That's what I'm trying to get at.
<v Speaker 3>Well, put, it's not something that is just uh, you know,
<v Speaker 3>it's not something that he was he was born with,
<v Speaker 3>but it is a learned trait based on his experiences.
<v Speaker 3>Learned trait. No, it else is a learned trait? Boss?
<v Speaker 2>What when you reach for a beer? Oh fuck yes,
<v Speaker 2>and you're saying to yourself, what's real?
<v Speaker 3>Yes?
<v Speaker 2>What's American? M what connects us to the spirit and
<v Speaker 2>the times and the context in which Terry Boleya came
<v Speaker 2>up all role band in the seventies.
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's nothing more American than a garage.
<v Speaker 2>Than a garage, A garage band, a garage beer, a
<v Speaker 2>garage reality. That's that's what we're doing here. That's what
<v Speaker 2>we have to thank and that's who you have to
<v Speaker 2>crack open as we head in to this fucking brisk
<v Speaker 2>football season, man, because our friends with Garage Beer are
<v Speaker 2>making all we are doing here on the complete hul
<v Speaker 2>Kogan more than possible. They're helping us do things we
<v Speaker 2>didn't even think we could do in telling the whole story.
<v Speaker 3>Well, i'll tell you something too. Two out of the
<v Speaker 3>last four weeks, they've helped me get through Patriots games.
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you that, is that right? So yes, yes, indeed.
<v Speaker 2>Just downing that original flavor, yep, yep, we're talking about
<v Speaker 2>the fastest growing beer brand in the United States, Folks,
<v Speaker 2>crisp crushable brood for good times. Garage Beer is a
<v Speaker 2>no nonsense four percent.
<v Speaker 3>For hard times for that matter.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, APV Lagger with just ninety five calories and
<v Speaker 2>three grams of carbs definitely would have been Hulk approved
<v Speaker 2>as he was clanging and banging on the Venice Beach,
<v Speaker 2>on that wide glide and them guns that he's got.
<v Speaker 3>Brother.
<v Speaker 2>It comes in two crowd favored varieties, Classic and Lime.
<v Speaker 2>Visit their beer at garagebeer dot com and there's so
<v Speaker 2>much more drink garage beer dot Com it is.
<v Speaker 3>And you'll be and honest to god, you'll be surprised
<v Speaker 3>how how many places that they're they're they're expanding so fast.
<v Speaker 3>It's really remarkable. And I honestly, for maybe about four
<v Speaker 3>months ago, I couldn't find any you know, the closest
<v Speaker 3>place was New York. And then as of like a
<v Speaker 3>month ago, it's all over my town. Right, So it's
<v Speaker 3>it's there, it's there, and it's and it's worth it.
<v Speaker 2>It's propagating at the rate Hulk Cogan did. In terms
<v Speaker 2>of being this kind of diamond.
<v Speaker 3>You know what, I always knew they were going to
<v Speaker 3>be great, exactly just like that's right. I always knew
<v Speaker 3>Garage Band was going to be the king garage beer too.
<v Speaker 3>What so you know we are the Jerry Brisco of
<v Speaker 3>garage beer. Yes, yes, there's there's nothing funny about that.
<v Speaker 3>Actually I shouldn't laugh.
<v Speaker 2>We saw money from the beginning, and they saw money
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning, and here we are, and just as
<v Speaker 2>within three years nobody could deny that Terry Bollaya was
<v Speaker 2>money in the wrestling business, no one can deny that
<v Speaker 2>the complete Hulk Hogan is money in the wrestling podcast
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<v Speaker 2>helping fuel the engine, and we deeply thank them for
<v Speaker 2>their continued support and making sure that the true history
<v Speaker 2>of Hulk Hogan is laid down once and for all
<v Speaker 2>here in audio format. And we continue our steady march
<v Speaker 2>with again so many great points of analysis and insight
<v Speaker 2>and research coming from the wider Solar system. This is
<v Speaker 2>a powerful, larger force. These aren't just two people. This
<v Speaker 2>is folks who share the same mission to run down
<v Speaker 2>every lead, to turn over every stone, to clarify every
<v Speaker 2>muddy circumstance so that everybody else can then go off
<v Speaker 2>and do their projects based on that work. And so
<v Speaker 2>it's exciting as we continue getting through this really formative
<v Speaker 2>embryonic stage of Terry Bolaya's life. Is the birth of
<v Speaker 2>Terry Boleya gives way to the birth of Hull Cogan.
<v Speaker 2>He's broken in by Hiro Matsuda. We are lathered by
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<v Speaker 2>And it's not only that, because Jackie Landers are jack
<v Speaker 2>O Lanterns are lit ones across this nation and in
<v Speaker 2>fact across this world, and for folks that subscribe to
<v Speaker 2>the executive producer Tier and Higher on Patreon. Boss, it's
<v Speaker 2>under the cinemat. It's the return of.
<v Speaker 3>Scary movie season.
<v Speaker 2>Bitches, Yeah, tell them what's up, tell them what's available.
<v Speaker 2>Absolute fucking favorite times of the year, not only in general,
<v Speaker 2>but especially for unt of the Cinemat.
<v Speaker 3>We are doing a long form journey, much like we
<v Speaker 3>did with Hulkogan, actually, much like we did with the
<v Speaker 3>Hull Cogan filmography. We are spreading out the the basically
<v Speaker 3>the various the four different Halloween the movie franchise, the
<v Speaker 3>different timelines, and every year for the next few years,
<v Speaker 3>we're during scary movie season, we're gonna focus on one
<v Speaker 3>timeline and just kind of figure out which one we
<v Speaker 3>think is the best, honestly, when when push comes to shove.
<v Speaker 3>And so this year we're starting off with Halloween four,
<v Speaker 3>Turn of Michael Myers, and we're going to go through
<v Speaker 3>the what is generally called the Jamie Lloyd or the
<v Speaker 3>Donald Pleasants timeline. And then but that's not all, you know,
<v Speaker 3>it's there's still it's only three movies. There's still going
<v Speaker 3>to be you know, one or two other uh uh uh,
<v Speaker 3>you know, scary movie themed movies as well. So it's great,
<v Speaker 3>it's exciting, it's good stuff.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's a one of a kind companion if
<v Speaker 2>you're new to the fold. Under the cinemat we switch rolls.
<v Speaker 2>The boss Man takes the lead research and the hosting
<v Speaker 2>chair as a lifelong cinephile, and I sit there as
<v Speaker 2>someone who loves movies, but I'm not expert in it,
<v Speaker 2>and I just soak in all of the detail and
<v Speaker 2>all of the color and just try to offer perspective
<v Speaker 2>as somebody that you know, is new to it.
<v Speaker 3>And and also I think for for for the wrestling
<v Speaker 3>part of it, what is the connection? You know, that's
<v Speaker 3>always the fun part.
<v Speaker 2>Don't just do any old movies, it's right, movies that
<v Speaker 2>have something to do with wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And and as I've said thousands of times at
<v Speaker 3>this point, there are more connections than you could possibly
<v Speaker 3>shake a stick at, at least if you use our formula,
<v Speaker 3>which is simply you know, obviously, if there's a wrestler
<v Speaker 3>in the movie, that counts. That qualifies. If there's a
<v Speaker 3>wrestler on the creative team, that qualifies. If a wrestler
<v Speaker 3>has some sort of involvement with stunts, that qualifies. And
<v Speaker 3>then also if either the something within pro wrestling inspires
<v Speaker 3>something in a movie or vice versa, which is more
<v Speaker 3>than likely more often the case that something from a
<v Speaker 3>movie inspires something in pro wrestling, that that right there
<v Speaker 3>makes it an easy qualification. And with this one, with
<v Speaker 3>the Halloween movies, Michael Myers qualifies because of the of
<v Speaker 3>the Undertaker set up, which was taken from Michael Myers.
<v Speaker 3>Have been said many times. I forget Pritchard said it.
<v Speaker 3>I think Jim Cornett said it that it was a
<v Speaker 3>direct lift off of the original Halloween and since that
<v Speaker 3>first Halloween before Undertaker, that was a common thing. We
<v Speaker 3>saw it in Halloween for when we did that one.
<v Speaker 3>Just now he does the sit up at the very
<v Speaker 3>beginning of the movie. It is a it's part of
<v Speaker 3>the magic. That's part of the magic of Michael Myers
<v Speaker 3>as well as the Undertaker.
<v Speaker 2>And we know for Bookers from Dusty all the way down,
<v Speaker 2>they all steal from movies. You know, this is like
<v Speaker 2>basically their their laboratory.
<v Speaker 3>Well it's almost like it's almost like to me that
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to have in a way if something over
<v Speaker 3>in the movie world is you know, has a pop
<v Speaker 3>culture influence then maybe if we bring that over here,
<v Speaker 3>we can have that same pop culture influence and maybe
<v Speaker 3>expand our audience and become more mainstream.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, good luck with that. It kind of worked
<v Speaker 2>with kanaan Undertaker. That's probably the highest and best sure
<v Speaker 2>in terms of you know, if if you say that
<v Speaker 2>Halloween is indispensable to the development of those characters, then
<v Speaker 2>you have to say that that was a successful you know,
<v Speaker 2>interpretation into the wrestling context. Other times not so much.
<v Speaker 2>But we're to document every single example of such to
<v Speaker 2>say nothing when wrestlers are involved in acting in the
<v Speaker 2>films and all of that.
<v Speaker 3>So it's and we've discovered so many you know, for
<v Speaker 3>those who are new that we've discovered so many wrestlers
<v Speaker 3>who you know, didn't even know existed, didn't even know existed. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and we're able to profile them and it's really exciting.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's wonderful stuff.
<v Speaker 2>If you're impressed by the complete Hole Coke, and you'll
<v Speaker 2>be even more impressed by Under the cinemat So it's
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<v Speaker 2>all the way over the top, put the cherry on top,
<v Speaker 2>get the fucking happy ending. That's the moat tear. That's
<v Speaker 2>wrestle Mommy. That's getting back in the living room carpet
<v Speaker 2>with your mom sitting in the bark a lounger, making remarks,
<v Speaker 2>asking questions and talking shit about this fake nonsense that's
<v Speaker 2>got her son or daughter so transfixed. And Boss sits
<v Speaker 2>with Mama Sorrow, who you know very intimately by now
<v Speaker 2>here in the lapsed fan and watches match after match
<v Speaker 2>after match from the past.
<v Speaker 3>Boss.
<v Speaker 2>It's wrestle Mammy a time, no question.
<v Speaker 3>About Oh, it's oh every Monday morning, every Monday morning.
<v Speaker 2>Through that coffee and get it. Sit down with the
<v Speaker 2>Boss and Mama saras. Yes, yes, yes, it is important.
<v Speaker 2>It's there and actually funny enough with it being October,
<v Speaker 2>we do I do Halloween themed matches or some kind
<v Speaker 2>of scary type matches. Fun with my mom and this one.
<v Speaker 2>By the time this drops, you'll probably those Wrestle Mamia
<v Speaker 2>on the on the moat tier will have heard me
<v Speaker 2>and my mom watch Vader versus Cactus Jack from Halloween
<v Speaker 2>Havoc ninety three. That's positively stuff.
<v Speaker 3>The uh what you might call it, the Spin the Wheel,
<v Speaker 3>Make the Deal Match of Halloween Havoc ninety three, So
<v Speaker 3>you know that's it's And I'll tell you there's nothing
<v Speaker 3>I am. And I obviously I've known my mom my
<v Speaker 3>entire life, and I'll tell you every time that we
<v Speaker 3>sit down and record matches, I'm always surprised. Yes, I'm
<v Speaker 3>still to this day surprised as some of the ship
<v Speaker 3>that she says, You've never heard.
<v Speaker 2>Anybody in your whole life, I don't care who you are,
<v Speaker 2>come up with the lines of reasoning and questioning that
<v Speaker 2>she does watching a pro wrestling man. Yes, yes, it's
<v Speaker 2>to your point, it never ceases to amaze where what
<v Speaker 2>she decides to focus on and what she decides to
<v Speaker 2>kind of obsess over folks that were able to check
<v Speaker 2>out our aw all in special a la Carte live
<v Speaker 2>calls where Mama Sorrow sat in with us, got a
<v Speaker 2>real good flavor of that of that dynamic just I mean,
<v Speaker 2>just obsessed with Kazuchika Okada being Polish the whole time,
<v Speaker 2>Like he's clearly a Japanese guy, but to her, Kauzuchka
<v Speaker 2>sounds Polish, yep. And we go from there. So it's
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's the kind of fun that, like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we want to give to our highest and best supporters
<v Speaker 2>because it's really like, you know, you're really getting into
<v Speaker 2>the inner circle, and we're kind of we're a little
<v Speaker 2>vulnerable here because of how fucking goofy this is. But yes, folks,
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<v Speaker 2>So I'll forget that, yep. And of course boss leaves
<v Speaker 2>are turning. Yes, the air is getting brisk, and before
<v Speaker 2>you know it, our Halloween decorations will give way to
<v Speaker 2>that very very pregnant yet vacant space between Halloween and Christmas. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>and we wonder what will go on the lawn we
<v Speaker 2>wonder what we'll go on the house. We wonder what
<v Speaker 2>will deck the halls this year. But here in the
<v Speaker 2>Lapsed Fan Solar System in particular, we wonder what will
<v Speaker 2>be under the co chairman's Christmas tree. Mm hmmm for
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty five unwrapping. That's what I always wonder,
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<v Speaker 3>that we make you eat your vegetables sometimes. We know
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<v Speaker 2>we will get to the very first match of Hulk Cogan.
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever perceived in your mind what Hulk's first
<v Speaker 2>match was like? When you think back to what you've
<v Speaker 2>seen of Hul Cogan in your life, including on YouTube
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, where do you perceive as first match was like?
<v Speaker 3>Where do I perceive like in terms of like like
<v Speaker 3>a like a promotion?
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Or did you make sure it in Awa? Do you
<v Speaker 3>picture it? No? No?
<v Speaker 4>For me?
<v Speaker 3>When I was I mean when I was a kid,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was always WWE. It had to have
<v Speaker 3>been like I had no idea what an Awa was,
<v Speaker 3>let alone any any other. And let's be.
<v Speaker 2>Honest, to a young hunkle maniac of our vantage with
<v Speaker 2>Hasbro kids, you would have been kind of offended to
<v Speaker 2>learn that hul Cogan existed before WWF.
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you. I'll tell you something. Okay, you're absolutely
<v Speaker 3>right because when I was a kid, probably within my
<v Speaker 3>first two years as a wrestling fan, I was even
<v Speaker 3>that fucking tape you were, yes, that tape the match
<v Speaker 3>Hulkogan didn't want you to see, and it was like
<v Speaker 3>I was mortified by this and he's booed out of
<v Speaker 3>the fucking building, and and yeah, I I I was.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I didn't really know what to fucking make
<v Speaker 3>of this. I'm trying to remember really what where I
<v Speaker 3>was in terms of I mean, I definitely was still
<v Speaker 3>convinced that there was some reality to it, because it
<v Speaker 3>didn't really didn't WE hit me until until probably ninety six,
<v Speaker 3>I think when I really was like, more, Okay, you know,
<v Speaker 3>seventy five percent of this is real, is fake, but
<v Speaker 3>that that's real, that whole you know, the Eric Bischoff
<v Speaker 3>thing theory. But you know, so at this point I
<v Speaker 3>was probably more convinced that it was real. But I
<v Speaker 3>really don't remember what. I know that this video scared me.
<v Speaker 3>But explain that.
<v Speaker 2>I think people, you know, people who grew up as
<v Speaker 2>like sort of mainlined, you know, with WWF mainlined into
<v Speaker 2>their veins, get what we're talking about. But there are
<v Speaker 2>folks from other parts of the country who were mainlining Crockett,
<v Speaker 2>WCW you know.
<v Speaker 3>Totally because you know when when, Because Hull Cogan is
<v Speaker 3>the reason I I was a fan, you know, I
<v Speaker 3>remember I, as I've said, I caught him on watching
<v Speaker 3>a match on TV, and it was like I was
<v Speaker 3>drawn to him. He was the guy. I was very
<v Speaker 3>I clearly knew he was the guy and so and
<v Speaker 3>even though he was it was the end of his
<v Speaker 3>real popular that you know, that that golden period, you know,
<v Speaker 3>watching in late ninety one early ninety two, I was
<v Speaker 3>still like a major Hull Cogan fan. I wanted to
<v Speaker 3>see you know, he was he was the guy, and
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't have like I could not imagine him being
<v Speaker 3>a bad guy. I couldnot imagine people booing him. It
<v Speaker 3>just wasn't possible. How could you boo. This guy, he's
<v Speaker 3>the greatest thing. You know, he's a real American. It's
<v Speaker 3>not a fake American, right, you know. And and when
<v Speaker 3>I saw that, you know, there are many there are
<v Speaker 3>many videos that I did not that. It took me
<v Speaker 3>a long time to watch because something bad happened to
<v Speaker 3>all Cogain, you know, uh Survivor series ninety one, him
<v Speaker 3>losing the belts to the Undertaker. Like I knew I
<v Speaker 3>should watch this, but I didn't want to watch it.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to watch him lose King of the
<v Speaker 3>Ring ninety three. I should watch it, I didn't want
<v Speaker 3>to watch it because it just I didn't I wanted satisfaction.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to leave there being upset watching the
<v Speaker 3>video upset. And so that's you know, I just I
<v Speaker 3>just could not allow myself to believe that Hull Cogan
<v Speaker 3>could ever be a bad guy. I'll tell you what,
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't surprise it. I wouldn't be surprised if when
<v Speaker 3>I watched it, in my mind, I at the very
<v Speaker 3>least imagined that the cheers that Jerry Lawler was getting
<v Speaker 3>were for Hull Cochin. You know, that's I would do that.
<v Speaker 3>I would do that I mean, I convinced that myself
<v Speaker 3>of that, even even as far as Survivor's series ninety
<v Speaker 3>six with Sid and Seawan.
<v Speaker 2>You have to remember that for people of our age,
<v Speaker 2>you know, kids of the eighties, it's not that hull
<v Speaker 2>Cogan fit into what we understood to be wrestling. Hul
<v Speaker 2>Cogan created what we understood to be wrestling. Hull Cogan was.
<v Speaker 2>What hull Cogan was was a distillation of what wrestling is.
<v Speaker 2>The good guy triumphs. He comes up against, you know,
<v Speaker 2>different obstacles, but his specialty moves always work. He can
<v Speaker 2>always dig deeper and have a deeper reserve of resilience
<v Speaker 2>and right really invincibility like any superhero.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's right, He's the superhero, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>And so that that's why it's a threat because the
<v Speaker 2>only way we understand wrestling is the hull Cocin presentation.
<v Speaker 2>And so to give us a different look at like
<v Speaker 2>Hulk being cast differently or somebody else being received as
<v Speaker 2>the person in the Hull Coke and shoes, we weren't
<v Speaker 2>we weren't able to process wrestling that way. We didn't
<v Speaker 2>understand that there was a wrestling that hul Cocin fit
<v Speaker 2>into we thought wrestling fit into Hulk Cogan.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I wouldn't doubt that. Subconsciously, I believe
<v Speaker 3>that Hulk Cogan was the first professional wrestling pretty much.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like it's not like WWF went out
<v Speaker 2>of their way to remind you during that era that
<v Speaker 2>there was wrestling before hul Cogan anyway, right, I mean
<v Speaker 2>you certainly did. I certainly would get some doses of
<v Speaker 2>that when I'd watch the early Coliseums old the yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the old Colosseum tapes and whatnot. But you know, and
<v Speaker 2>I knew about the Iron Chic match and whatever, but
<v Speaker 2>you really never, you know, they never obviously, they never
<v Speaker 2>talked about his his heel period in w W E
<v Speaker 2>at at the very very beginning. So it's they literally
<v Speaker 2>pretended that when he wrestled them in Pontiac, Michigan, that
<v Speaker 2>was the first time they have wrestled, right with them
<v Speaker 2>being on shows with tens of thousands of people in
<v Speaker 2>attendance in New York and.
<v Speaker 3>Televised for that matter.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, arresting each other in Shae Stadium, I mean, give
<v Speaker 2>me a break, But that's the myth making, that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of right. That was what was still possible, you know,
<v Speaker 2>in a pre Internet age, obviously, in a pre social
<v Speaker 2>media age and all that pre information age. In a
<v Speaker 2>lot of ways, it was possible to convince YouTube date
<v Speaker 2>pre YouTube for sure, a generation of fans that are
<v Speaker 2>still here today helping keep WWE as as profitable as
<v Speaker 2>it is, you could convince them that there was nothing
<v Speaker 2>before this. There was no There was no way for
<v Speaker 2>me to find out as a kid that actually Hogan
<v Speaker 2>and Andre did wrestle before.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there wasn't, right.
<v Speaker 2>And so within that you could just imagine the suite
<v Speaker 2>of possibilities that that unfolds before a mind like Vince
<v Speaker 2>McMahon junior who always wants to be, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>architect of everything. And and we were, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>were downstream from that mentality as he took, as he
<v Speaker 2>took the power and the reins from his father. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>that's all still to come, but I feel it important
<v Speaker 2>to kind of get you your gauge on how long
<v Speaker 2>and far back I remember really only becoming deeply aware
<v Speaker 2>of Hulkogin's pre WWF exploits, and by WWF I mean
<v Speaker 2>post eighty four, not the first run for his father,
<v Speaker 2>for Vince's father right in and around the time that
<v Speaker 2>they started doing the biography specials and stuff, and A
<v Speaker 2>and E started doing stuff about like how we got here,
<v Speaker 2>and I distinctly remember the one that they did in
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine, which was based mostly around wcw WE excerpted
<v Speaker 2>from it. There were some interviews with Ruth and Pete
<v Speaker 2>on that, and because he was in ww at the
<v Speaker 2>time and they could not get permission from WWF to
<v Speaker 2>use any licensed footage. This is before you could do
<v Speaker 2>kind of fair use and find it on YouTube. You
<v Speaker 2>literally needed WWE to send you the footage if you
<v Speaker 2>were going to be able to use it in a documentary.
<v Speaker 2>But he was a ww so no fucking way. And
<v Speaker 2>so that documentary focused so much more on everything he
<v Speaker 2>did outside of WWF than any other piece that you
<v Speaker 2>had seen produced on him before, and including a lot
<v Speaker 2>of the A W A stuff, which, of course Eric Bischoff,
<v Speaker 2>being in me and Minneapolis guy and having gotten involved
<v Speaker 2>in the business of the AWA and watching Hulk in
<v Speaker 2>the AWA before he came to the w WF, was
<v Speaker 2>more than happy, you know, to lean into on that tape.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't hard to get Verne or Greg or whoever
<v Speaker 2>on the phone to get that footage and yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>then pretty soon you started to become aware well.
<v Speaker 3>As Greg was Greg working for the for DOCW at
<v Speaker 3>the time. Still I don't think so. I don't think so.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, Bischoff's always had a warm line to him.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, with those guys from back then, Shaggerly some
<v Speaker 2>of the other course, some of the other people from
<v Speaker 2>that office that they got involved after he came over,
<v Speaker 2>But that that was kind of the first time that
<v Speaker 2>I realized I kind of knew he was in a
<v Speaker 2>w A, but.
<v Speaker 3>I hadn't seen it.
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. How are you gonna see it? I'm
<v Speaker 2>trying to think. I mean, I hate to say this.
<v Speaker 2>I hate to say this because it would really just
<v Speaker 2>make me look like a fool. But part of me
<v Speaker 2>is wondering because I don't I can't think of a
<v Speaker 2>time where I would have heard about the away before
<v Speaker 2>you read me fucking Scott Keith's book. That was groundbreaking,
<v Speaker 2>huh for us, you know, for anybody else, but for us, No, No,
<v Speaker 2>I know.
<v Speaker 3>Like I I want to say that I must have
<v Speaker 3>known something, but I don't know how I would have
<v Speaker 3>known something. I wasn't. I wasn't really big on the
<v Speaker 3>Internet for looking for information. I certainly was not reading Meltzer.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know who Meltzer was until I met you.
<v Speaker 3>I I don't know how I would have known about
<v Speaker 3>the AWA, honest to god.
<v Speaker 2>Outside it was that Wrestling All Stars vhs that came
<v Speaker 2>out when we were kids. That was some matches from
<v Speaker 2>the w Sargeant Slaughter on the cover.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I don't think I. I mean, I'm okay.
<v Speaker 3>So I might have known about the AWA from from
<v Speaker 3>A from video cassettes. I certainly didn't fucking rent those, right,
<v Speaker 3>I lie about them? Yes, that's well, Yes, you're right,
<v Speaker 3>That's how I would have fucking known. You're abolute right.
<v Speaker 2>The first time I saw Road Warriors was a w
<v Speaker 2>A promotional film photos and stuff.
<v Speaker 3>But I would not have known Hulko mom. I guess
<v Speaker 3>maybe I would have known. Did they ever talk about
<v Speaker 3>that in in.
<v Speaker 2>Pwy Hogan's history outside of WF. I'm positive they did.
<v Speaker 3>That was there. That was their whole thing.
<v Speaker 2>When WWF cut off credentials, it's like, well, fine, we're
<v Speaker 2>gonna talk. You know, we're gonna make as much as
<v Speaker 2>we can out of the photos we have of these
<v Speaker 2>guys that we have permission to use.
<v Speaker 3>That might have been Maybe that's how I did learn
<v Speaker 3>about stuff, you know, I now that I think about it,
<v Speaker 3>that might have been. That might have been something I
<v Speaker 3>might have learned about about some whole Hogan stuff, and
<v Speaker 3>especially when he won, when he came back to wcwah.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, it's I might have I might have
<v Speaker 3>I might have learned some of that stuff there. But
<v Speaker 3>this is all important to say, and this is gone now.
<v Speaker 3>Like no other generation will understand this because they have
<v Speaker 3>YouTube in the network, in Peacock and whatever, even our
<v Speaker 3>video in their bootleg stuff. Like you can't. You can't
<v Speaker 3>understand how fucking magical it was to see footage for
<v Speaker 3>the first time of a WWF superstar of that era
<v Speaker 3>before they were in WWF for the first time. You can't.
<v Speaker 2>It's just because you think like, for some reason, the
<v Speaker 2>guys who were charismatic enough to be WWF headliners could
<v Speaker 2>only exist in WWF, Like they almost incubated them there, right,
<v Speaker 2>and you see them in other context, you're like, no,
<v Speaker 2>they were just as charismatic, and they jumped through the
<v Speaker 2>television just as much through the camera just as much
<v Speaker 2>in other promotions, and that's what Vince grabbed, That's what
<v Speaker 2>Vin's bought. Yeah, he put a lot of accouterments on
<v Speaker 2>them and dialed things up and down on the personality
<v Speaker 2>and the look and everything and made these guys heavily marketable.
<v Speaker 2>But goddamn, give me a break. He had a huge
<v Speaker 2>head start with every single person he made millions off
<v Speaker 2>of because he could observe them in other habitats and
<v Speaker 2>see that raw material there. And even more than raw material,
<v Speaker 2>he's not discovering people that aren't over. He's taken the
<v Speaker 2>guys that have absolutely lit the territories they're working in
<v Speaker 2>on fire, including Hulkogan of Easvdawa, and as we're about
<v Speaker 2>to find out as we continue through the complete Hulk Coogan,
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to report many other territories than that, even
<v Speaker 2>before the wa that are heavily underplayed, not only by
<v Speaker 2>WWF but Hulk Hogan himself, and for reasons that I
<v Speaker 2>can't wait to get into. But I mean, just to
<v Speaker 2>be able to lay eyes on this first couple of matches,
<v Speaker 2>before he had grown into his body, he had grown
<v Speaker 2>into his style, before he had realized the parts of
<v Speaker 2>his game that could make him, you know, someone that
<v Speaker 2>captivated crowds versus the other kind of you know, we
<v Speaker 2>saw how straight laced and technical the presentation of Florida
<v Speaker 2>Championship Wrestling could be. Wasn't always you know, dust Dusty
<v Speaker 2>Jola Duke and others would bring heavy, crazy violence, no
<v Speaker 2>question about that, big brawling style. But it was very
<v Speaker 2>important to Eddie Graham that the fans perceived that at
<v Speaker 2>the very tip top, at the NBA World title level,
<v Speaker 2>it's hold for hold, and it's basically best technician wins.
<v Speaker 2>Best technician is the biggest in the sport, and for
<v Speaker 2>a hul Cogan, being as limited as he was in
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the the wrestling, it was hard to
<v Speaker 2>see how he would fit into Florida. And that's why
<v Speaker 2>I go back to that interpretation of not being surprised
<v Speaker 2>if if the Briscoes really kind of saw this kid
<v Speaker 2>as as not a mark, but somebody who who was
<v Speaker 2>his highest and best use was a subject of amusement,
<v Speaker 2>you know, to see how far he'd push himself, to
<v Speaker 2>see how how much he'd take It doesn't mean he
<v Speaker 2>didn't earn grudging respect, but I'm not willing to make
<v Speaker 2>that connection that they also saw because they talked about
<v Speaker 2>how huge he was. Yeah, he was huge, he was tall,
<v Speaker 2>he was skinny. He wasn't the hulk when he was
<v Speaker 2>on stage playing bass guitar for Ruckus. He didn't have
<v Speaker 2>the fucking definition that he hadn't know that, he hadn't
<v Speaker 2>filled out when he like he did in a set
<v Speaker 2>of Rocky three or in the set of Johnny Carson.
<v Speaker 2>He hadn't discovered that level of God, you look at
<v Speaker 2>you look at fucking Hogan.
<v Speaker 3>When was that? When was that footage that we saw
<v Speaker 3>seventy seven and and that uh that Johnny Carson is
<v Speaker 3>is eighty two? Yes, mother fuck her. He's just going
<v Speaker 3>five years and he is a balloon.
<v Speaker 2>Hard undo the ball He's not cycling, he's not really
<v Speaker 2>counteracting it with the kind of cutting drugs you use
<v Speaker 2>to prevent that bloat. Look, he's just using as hard
<v Speaker 2>as he can. And he's admitted it because he understands
<v Speaker 2>that that's going in steroids, steroids. That does get in
<v Speaker 2>the way that whole I never did steroids, brother, I
<v Speaker 2>don't do steroids. I've never heard of steroids, and I'm
<v Speaker 2>not addicted to steroids. I haven't been enough i'd say,
<v Speaker 2>response to your question, brother, what are steroids? I mean
<v Speaker 2>to ask you? Do you say I'm monsteroids?
<v Speaker 3>Brother? I ask you what is a steroid? Right? I
<v Speaker 3>don't know what that is? Brother?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, can what is it? I can't answer that question,
<v Speaker 2>That's all right? Then I said, then you know what?
<v Speaker 2>Then I can't ask that question? Wow, you can't ask
<v Speaker 2>me if I'm on something that you didn't even know what?
<v Speaker 2>Can't answer, brother, And I'm not asking. So I win
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going home. Oh, he will go home faster
<v Speaker 2>faster than you think, because after all the trials and tribulations,
<v Speaker 2>after the mishap with the Aromatsuda and taking those months off,
<v Speaker 2>coming back, grinding through about a year of training under
<v Speaker 2>the Florida Championship Wrestling System in the Sportatorium, Terry Bullay
<v Speaker 2>is ready for his first match.
<v Speaker 3>And we're gonna.
<v Speaker 2>Resurface a clip that we played last time we were
<v Speaker 2>with you, where Jerry Briscoe talks to our friend Brad
<v Speaker 2>Balucci about Holt's first match and how it all came together,
<v Speaker 2>and obliged to remind you that our friend Brad Bluccian
<v Speaker 2>over at the brad Pack Patreon account is more than
<v Speaker 2>happy to welcome members of the lapsed Fan Solar system
<v Speaker 2>into his particular fold. Brad, of course, wrote the terrific
<v Speaker 2>book The six Pack that talked so much about this
<v Speaker 2>time period in WWF, Hogan Chic, so many others, and
<v Speaker 2>he did so many tremendous interviews for that book, and
<v Speaker 2>only snippets were used for the actual publication. But if
<v Speaker 2>you go to patreon dot com slash the brad pack
<v Speaker 2>right now and tell them we sent you, you're going
<v Speaker 2>to be able to get access to the entirety of
<v Speaker 2>so many of the interviews that underpinned the terrific book
<v Speaker 2>he wrote about this time period in WWF, many of
<v Speaker 2>which we're proud to sample as part of the complete Hulkcogin.
<v Speaker 2>So it's Patreon dot com slash the brad Pack. It's
<v Speaker 2>four ninety five a month to get access to a
<v Speaker 2>ton of documents that he pulled, a ton of audio
<v Speaker 2>interviews that he did, and so many more materials, and
<v Speaker 2>he's going to keep posting them in kind of a
<v Speaker 2>staggered fashion as TLF progresses through its complete Hulk cocin chronology.
<v Speaker 2>So you're just getting garnish because as much as we'll
<v Speaker 2>sample from the sound that Brad has shared with us.
<v Speaker 2>There's so much more to pick up from the complete form.
<v Speaker 2>So it's a beautiful piece of synergy here. And he
<v Speaker 2>does want listeners of the Labs fan to know that
<v Speaker 2>anybody who joins that Patreon will get a free personalized
<v Speaker 2>autograph book plate which is a sticky can put inside
<v Speaker 2>the book the six pack if they just email him.
<v Speaker 2>And it's all all the information you need is there.
<v Speaker 2>You can also check out his website at the bradpack
<v Speaker 2>dot com. So without all that said, we're going to
<v Speaker 2>go to Jerry Brisco here talking about Terry Bulay's first
<v Speaker 2>match against Don Serna.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so Mike kind of knew him.
<v Speaker 7>Eddie just just another big guy, and Eddie knew he
<v Speaker 7>was money too. We had Johnny Valentom as a book,
<v Speaker 7>so here and here, I want to jump here and
<v Speaker 7>so here.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know how many weeks.
<v Speaker 7>It was, so I can't tell you he's trained six
<v Speaker 7>weeks solid weeks. So back then you if if he
<v Speaker 7>called on something, we got you in the ring. Because
<v Speaker 7>the best best way to train somebody is on the job,
<v Speaker 7>training like it is for a lot of a lot
<v Speaker 7>of different skills and so our business. You know, we
<v Speaker 7>were fortunate co we'd run a lot of what we
<v Speaker 7>call spots shows back in those days, the little high
<v Speaker 7>schools here and there, little a little armory, National Guard
<v Speaker 7>armories that that guys would run, office would run and
<v Speaker 7>we can book really new talent on 'em and let
<v Speaker 7>them get their feet or somebody coming into the territory
<v Speaker 7>that we wasn't We wanted to push, but we wasn't
<v Speaker 7>quite sure of the skill level. Yeah, we could pull
<v Speaker 7>'em in and he's deal. Brian, Brian started his career.
<v Speaker 7>Brian Blair started his career as we all did it,
<v Speaker 7>and he the little spots shows, as we call him.
<v Speaker 7>So we booked and there were Brian's kind of confused.
<v Speaker 7>So we we booked Terry and Vero Beach Flora under
<v Speaker 7>Terry bow lamb okay, and he had his first match
<v Speaker 7>and this is where gets you know, we just everything's
<v Speaker 7>just confirmed on what our thoughts was about this guy. Yeah,
<v Speaker 7>here's a guy nobody had ever seen in their entire life.
<v Speaker 7>Here's a guy who had never walked to the ring
<v Speaker 7>in front of a full audience, and full audiences, like
<v Speaker 7>I said, it was a armory and a full audience.
<v Speaker 7>It's probably six hundred people for a crime from ninety
<v Speaker 7>three thousand excreaming at you. But it just a little
<v Speaker 7>little slice and and his history. We're all of course
<v Speaker 7>when his own third match, Don Toronto, one of our,
<v Speaker 7>one of them was one of the guys that you know,
<v Speaker 7>he used the enhancement no they call him nowadays enhancement.
<v Speaker 8>Guys Don Toronto like E R R R A n O.
<v Speaker 7>The guy was fantastic in the ring and just a
<v Speaker 7>fantastic teacher. And one of these guys that when he
<v Speaker 7>tipped with you is like you know, you couldn't even
<v Speaker 7>feel him.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, he was perfect for Terry. For what Terry
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't become.
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<v Speaker 2>Perfect for Terry four. Terry would become Don Sermo's kind
<v Speaker 2>of guy you put in there to guide a brand
<v Speaker 2>new person through a wrestling match. So this whole idea
<v Speaker 2>that Hulk went to the ring against Brian Blair scared
<v Speaker 2>to death because he'd never done this before. No, he'd
<v Speaker 2>already had a match, so any first time before. The
<v Speaker 2>people jitters, well, no, dude, Well the thing is brother,
<v Speaker 2>Well that's true, that's true. But the thing is the
<v Speaker 2>match I had with Brian Blair the first time I
<v Speaker 2>knew was fake. Oh I see oh, because Ronald I
<v Speaker 2>was told was real. So you didn't realize it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>during the course of the match.
<v Speaker 3>No, brother, I was shooting me. Dude, you're shooting on me, thought, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'm brother. I Also, I found my life in there. Dude.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell us about that match, because that's something no
<v Speaker 2>one's ever asked you about, because you said, you know,
<v Speaker 2>people ask you when your first match was, and you
<v Speaker 2>would say Brian Blair, So it's not like we've ever
<v Speaker 2>heard you talk.
<v Speaker 3>About that's what my first match was. Dude. You know,
<v Speaker 3>when you think about a professional wrestling match, the first
<v Speaker 3>time I was in the ring with Don so Ronald,
<v Speaker 3>he shooting at me, brother, So how'd that go. I'm
<v Speaker 3>going out there, dude, and I'm trying to fight for
<v Speaker 3>my wife out there, and I'm wondering exactly what is
<v Speaker 3>going on? So what how to go?
<v Speaker 2>I mean to just blow by blow? Can you take
<v Speaker 2>us through what you remember happening in the ring?
<v Speaker 1>Brother?
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was like, but thing is do? It
<v Speaker 3>was like I certainly like blacked out pretty much. Brother.
<v Speaker 3>I really didn't know what was going on. Oh I knows.
<v Speaker 3>I'm throwing my arms around, dude, and I'm trying to
<v Speaker 3>kick and brother, I'm trying to Brother. I was you know,
<v Speaker 3>I said, you know this guy, dude is to a
<v Speaker 3>us wrong. He could kill me in the ring. Brother,
<v Speaker 3>I could die right now. That's what you know. That
<v Speaker 3>was mentality, dude. So how to go? And I had
<v Speaker 3>really just just just kind of you know, Crank or Ruski,
<v Speaker 3>that son of a bitch his picture.
<v Speaker 2>I get his first match, which we're gonna get to
<v Speaker 2>under the hood as Super Destroyer wearing a mask okay,
<v Speaker 2>and a singlet.
<v Speaker 3>Brother, I warn't a mask, dude, No one knows who
<v Speaker 3>I am. It wasn't even know Terry Boy is dead
<v Speaker 3>for like weeks.
<v Speaker 6>Brother.
<v Speaker 2>He goes in there with that size and that singlet
<v Speaker 2>and that mass and he just closes his eyes. When
<v Speaker 2>the bell rings and starts, wind Milling punches wind Milling.
<v Speaker 3>I remember I was I was so scared of don
<v Speaker 3>So Ronald.
<v Speaker 9>Brother.
<v Speaker 3>I just was like, I have my hoes closed. I'm
<v Speaker 3>just swinging. Brother, I'm just like doing I'm just going
<v Speaker 3>around the circles. Brother, my arms out, Dude, like I'm
<v Speaker 3>like a top. Brother. It's like, hope I hit something, Brother,
<v Speaker 3>that's the color I'm looking for. It's ting. He just
<v Speaker 3>comes flying out of it, flailing.
<v Speaker 2>Out of the corner, like like he's attacking a home invader,
<v Speaker 2>you know, invader number one. I mean Serrano was Puerto
<v Speaker 2>Rican home invader number one, home invader number.
<v Speaker 3>Two, the goodish alarm system. But I just got turned
<v Speaker 3>to run it up and just kind of like grab
<v Speaker 3>him and hold him. Brother, just gotta hold him down.
<v Speaker 3>Not sure what the fuck I was gonna do hold him,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm just like, brother, a dude, and I'm just
<v Speaker 3>like trying to you know, I don't know what I was.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I was doing out there. Brother.
<v Speaker 3>Suit on my leg again. Yeah, he put his elbow
<v Speaker 3>and my shin. At one point, Brother, I just kicked
<v Speaker 3>him in the face, broke his nose, and I checked.
<v Speaker 2>I managed to chicken wing him at one point, right,
<v Speaker 2>get his arm behind him. Last thing, brother, at one point,
<v Speaker 2>calm down. I said, you know, Terry, dude, you've done
<v Speaker 2>this before. You know, you've taken You've taken high school
<v Speaker 2>wrestling coaches down to the ground.
<v Speaker 9>Brother.
<v Speaker 3>And that's what I did. I just chicken wing Don Serrano. Brother.
<v Speaker 2>I just wrapped my arms around his face and just
<v Speaker 2>ripped his neck off and I'll pinned him. I don't hear, Terry.
<v Speaker 2>I see Don Serrano defeated Super Destroyer as the recorded outcome.
<v Speaker 3>Well that's what they do because the brother, you know,
<v Speaker 3>they don't want you know, they want to create a
<v Speaker 3>kind of a mystique about.
<v Speaker 2>Dom Donald Cowboy Serrano. Let me ask you a question.
<v Speaker 2>You know what else this result list says, and every
<v Speaker 2>other result list says. What mister Brian Breyer has this
<v Speaker 2>confus Sure we booked him in Vero Beach, Florida.
<v Speaker 3>No you didn't.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't in Vero Beach. He never wrestled at Vero Beach.
<v Speaker 2>This was at the John Carroll High School Gym in
<v Speaker 2>Fort Pierce, Florida. Okay, Now I don't know much about Florida.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's like near Vero Beach. I
<v Speaker 2>don't give a fuck. It wasn't in Vero Beach. So
<v Speaker 2>it's like a real story is also full of holes.
<v Speaker 2>But we do need to acquaint ourselves briefly with Don
<v Speaker 2>Soeron because he passed away in twenty twenty one, and
<v Speaker 2>he was definitely one of those unsung hero guys. Not
<v Speaker 2>to say he made a huge impact on the business
<v Speaker 2>or anything, but the territories where he worked, he was
<v Speaker 2>very much an important part of the card. He was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, a play for the Latin American audience. He
<v Speaker 2>was presented. According to some clippings, I was looking at
<v Speaker 2>his equal parts Mexican and Puerto Rican wrestler. Throughout the
<v Speaker 2>course of his life, worked Texas, worked Florida, of course,
<v Speaker 2>for years and years, including underneath Anygraham in main events
<v Speaker 2>throughout the late sixties into the seventies and come nineteen
<v Speaker 2>and seventy seven. He's one of those, you know, stalwart
<v Speaker 2>in house guys for a roster that was really small.
<v Speaker 2>Florida didn't carry a lot of guys that were considered
<v Speaker 2>full time. It was kind of like Saint Louis in
<v Speaker 2>that regard, big, big time names came through, particularly from
<v Speaker 2>New York all the time, so it's not like they
<v Speaker 2>were stale in terms of talent, but people who considered
<v Speaker 2>themselves full time assigned to Florida was really that small
<v Speaker 2>crew of those Tampa jocks, you know, the Steve Karns,
<v Speaker 2>the Brian Blairs, and even Brian left the territory to
<v Speaker 2>get experience elsewhere pretty quickly, Mike Graham, Dick Slater and
<v Speaker 2>many others, Dusty when he came down, and all his
<v Speaker 2>pals from Minneapolis as well. But suffice to say, they
<v Speaker 2>did have these guys that you would put in there
<v Speaker 2>with whoever was coming through and give them a good match,
<v Speaker 2>people that the crowd, you know, would know because they
<v Speaker 2>were just there forever but never won. And by the
<v Speaker 2>time the late seventies world around, that definitely was Don
<v Speaker 2>Serrano visa via Championship Wrestling from Florida. So just to
<v Speaker 2>get an overview of who this first opponent of Terry
<v Speaker 2>Buleya ever was, we turned to Greg Oliver, the terrific
<v Speaker 2>wrestler wrestling writer at Slam Wrestling, who in February of
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, penned the following obituary for Don Serrano.
<v Speaker 3>Boss Hector. Don Serrano, a longtime pro wrestler and occasional promoter,
<v Speaker 3>has died. His name was not on the top of
<v Speaker 3>the cart often, but that did not mean that he
<v Speaker 3>didn't have talent. He did oodles of it. As his
<v Speaker 3>peers related. The late Michelle le Justice Dubois faced Serrano
<v Speaker 3>early in his own career in and around Montreal and
<v Speaker 3>Puerto Rico. Don Serrano quote. Don Serrano was a very
<v Speaker 3>very good little worker. If he was six inches taller,
<v Speaker 3>he would have been a great star, Dubois Michael Michelle
<v Speaker 3>LaMarche said in twenty eleven. He did what he could do.
<v Speaker 3>He was a great wrestler. The five seven and twenty
<v Speaker 3>pounds Serrano was from Puerto Rico and split time between
<v Speaker 3>his mother in New York City and his father in
<v Speaker 3>Puerto Rico. On occasion, Serrano was billed as a brother
<v Speaker 3>to Pedro Morales, though there was no relation. I know
<v Speaker 3>that a young Don Serrano, that's the photo. His name
<v Speaker 3>comes up in promotions else everywhere, from Florida to Calgary
<v Speaker 3>Stampede wrestling, from Montreal to Texas. Quote. I first worked
<v Speaker 3>for with Don Serrano on Cleve in Cleveland, oh on Cleveland,
<v Speaker 3>Ohio TV back in seventy two seventy three. Kind Of
<v Speaker 3>kind of on the small side, but a great worker,
<v Speaker 3>said Jim Lancaster. Okay, he's small, get it. I know
<v Speaker 3>everyone has to say that. Yep, roch Okay, Oh it's
<v Speaker 3>gonna be I guess a picture of him. Roger's Muir quote.
<v Speaker 3>I wrestled Don Serrano a million times. He was a
<v Speaker 3>great guy and we always had good matches, noted Irish
<v Speaker 3>Davy o'hannan in a Facebook post. A respected worker. Serranto
<v Speaker 3>was Canadian Junior heavyweight champion out of Montreal and a
<v Speaker 3>Caribbean tag team champ. His biggest run came in seventy
<v Speaker 3>three seventy four and Gunkle's All Star Wrestling Association, where
<v Speaker 3>Serrano wrestled as Super Soul Davis. His manager was rock Hunter,
<v Speaker 3>and he had a feud with Ray Candy. Okay, Ray Candy,
<v Speaker 3>Super Soul Davis, rock Hunter, Ray Candy not delicious. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what is that the rock Hunter? It sounds
<v Speaker 3>like what the Dwayne and paula vec tag team would
<v Speaker 3>have been. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, Serrano was also Hulkogan's
<v Speaker 3>first opponent as the young Terry Blea was learning the ropes.
<v Speaker 3>In August nineteen seventy seven, longtime Houston based referee Tommy
<v Speaker 3>Fushie knew Serrano for years. Fushie traveled with Serrano to
<v Speaker 3>the Caribbean islands. Quote he used to promote wrestling. I
<v Speaker 3>never did make much out of it, but I didn't
<v Speaker 3>care about making any money because he had connections to
<v Speaker 3>go to all these islands for these shows ad referee
<v Speaker 3>and make fifty bucks and it was a vacation for me.
<v Speaker 3>Fushie figured they went to six or seven islands over
<v Speaker 3>the span of a few years. Serrano was married to
<v Speaker 3>a woman wrestler, the Mexican spitfire, Olga Martinez, who worked
<v Speaker 3>for about a half dozen years. They had two sons
<v Speaker 3>and Serrans, and called Houston, Texas home. Martinez was a hairstylist,
<v Speaker 3>Sirrans Serrans. Mike Serrano wrestled for a short while and
<v Speaker 3>Hector born in North Bay, Ontario, while his father was
<v Speaker 3>wrestling for the Casaboskis. Who now, oh everybody knows, Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>of course, sorry. It just makes me look how fucking
<v Speaker 3>limited my knowledge is the Casa. Boskis became a well
<v Speaker 3>known musician in a band named hes Oga Martinez and
<v Speaker 3>oh that's photo U. Surrano did his best through the
<v Speaker 3>years to stay connected, said Nick Kosek. I called him,
<v Speaker 3>I call him the newsman. He keeps in touch with
<v Speaker 3>everybody on Facebook. Dottie Curtis, the widow of Jacksonville, Florida
<v Speaker 3>promoter Don Curtis, noted quote the passing of one of
<v Speaker 3>nature's true gentlemen, Don Serrano, a friend for many years.
<v Speaker 3>No further details of Serrano's death or funeral are known
<v Speaker 3>at this time.
<v Speaker 2>So the batch was August ninth, nineteen seventy seven.
<v Speaker 3>I think he was an.
<v Speaker 2>August eleventh birthday, so that was he died around his birthday.
<v Speaker 2>He had his first match around his birthday. It's a
<v Speaker 2>lot to be said for for the Holtster around that
<v Speaker 2>time of year. And he's going to give it a try,
<v Speaker 2>and he's going to give it a try as Super Destroyer.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, I'm here to tell you that there is
<v Speaker 2>no footage that survives or perhaps that ever existed, or
<v Speaker 2>or at least that we know of, at least that
<v Speaker 2>we know of. That's right of Hulk Hogan. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>someone's fucking VHS collection. The thing is, these weren't TV tapings. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>That's where Briscoe is quick to point out spot shows
<v Speaker 2>where you gave guys outside of the glare of the
<v Speaker 2>camera a chance to work out some of the you know,
<v Speaker 2>kinks and not spoil themselves before the entire territorial audience
<v Speaker 2>on television. And so as part of that, another thing
<v Speaker 2>that you often did was put newcomers under a mask
<v Speaker 2>so that as they worked out there clumsiness, the wrestling
<v Speaker 2>fans didn't associate a face with that clumsiness. You could
<v Speaker 2>always take the mask off.
<v Speaker 3>That's a good call. That's a very good call.
<v Speaker 2>They never thought of that, and get that fresh coat
<v Speaker 2>of paint, you see their boss. I've just sent you
<v Speaker 2>a couple of pictures that survived.
<v Speaker 3>Cato never improved, huh enough to take the mask off.
<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing we can assume. I've sent you
<v Speaker 2>a couple of pictures. These were some publicity photos that
<v Speaker 2>I think the wrestling magazines took. Some of these surfaced
<v Speaker 2>when ww started putting together their tribute packages to Hull
<v Speaker 2>Cogan upon his death this year. So there are pictures
<v Speaker 2>of Terry in a black singlet with you know, that
<v Speaker 2>thin kind of Zveldt build that we saw from that
<v Speaker 2>training footage, the almost shoulder length hair just beneath the
<v Speaker 2>jaw line, hair that he cut down substantially so the
<v Speaker 2>hero Matsuda wouldn't call him hippie or whatever the fuck.
<v Speaker 2>And then that same singlet on a guy with a
<v Speaker 2>black mask looking like, Yes, although, do you notice something here?
<v Speaker 2>There's something that I've never really noticed before from Hogan
<v Speaker 2>from this period. Not only does he have the handle
<v Speaker 2>bar mustache, but he has got a soule patch right
<v Speaker 2>underneath the middle of his body. That is a coritical observation.
<v Speaker 2>What do you know about the soul patch?
<v Speaker 10>Right?
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, I mean what I mean, that's such a
<v Speaker 3>I mean to me, that feels like such a seventies move. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>you know, to have that that look, I mean in
<v Speaker 3>the handle our mustache alone fucking does that. Like, it's
<v Speaker 3>kind of amazing that that that he that that that
<v Speaker 3>he survived with that fucking look forever.
<v Speaker 2>It was so it was so clutch because the mustache
<v Speaker 2>doesn't thin like the hairline does, right, It brings it
<v Speaker 2>brings the eye to his the lower part of his
<v Speaker 2>face instead of the top part of his head. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>whereas like with John Cena, all you can do is
<v Speaker 2>look at the top of his head.
<v Speaker 4>I know.
<v Speaker 3>It's such a funny thing. Like you know, like when
<v Speaker 3>you consider especially okay, you consider the John Cena look,
<v Speaker 3>you consider the look this this kind of goody two
<v Speaker 3>shoes look that they that they the that WW was
<v Speaker 3>always going for. It's kind of funny because whole Cogan
<v Speaker 3>is the exact opposite of that look. Yes, bald with
<v Speaker 3>the scullet handlebar mustache, like he's the he's the last
<v Speaker 3>thing you would consider to be clean cut. Yes, you
<v Speaker 3>know that's t look. You know, that was the vinctick
<v Speaker 3>man look that he needed.
<v Speaker 2>Everywhere he went. He went in gym clothes and ripped
<v Speaker 2>off T shirts like he was in a suit all
<v Speaker 2>the time running this up right bullshit. They came up
<v Speaker 2>with what the leading guy has to be in public
<v Speaker 2>and on the talk shows and everything. He had a
<v Speaker 2>bandan on his whole fucking life, even in a court
<v Speaker 2>of law, even when testifying in federal trials. Like come on, folks,
<v Speaker 2>but look closely as well at how half committed he
<v Speaker 2>is to the bleach blondness. The top is bleached, but
<v Speaker 2>the hairline is black. The sideburns are dark, the eyebrows
<v Speaker 2>are dark. I don't think he ever died his eyebrows,
<v Speaker 2>but they stand out more here. And the mustache, critically,
<v Speaker 2>the mustache is.
<v Speaker 3>He did die his eyebrows at something like and like
<v Speaker 3>I think eighty five. I mean I do remember that,
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, like the the mustache is dark, like yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of crazy. It makes you, I mean, it
<v Speaker 3>makes you wonder why everyone makes such a fucking big
<v Speaker 3>deal out of the painted on beard, Like, no, that's
<v Speaker 3>actually his real hair color. Yeah, I know, you know
<v Speaker 3>nwol Like, no, that's actually probably as real as real
<v Speaker 3>as his hair color can be. It's it's you see, Terry.
<v Speaker 3>You see a bolet here much more than you see
<v Speaker 3>a absolutely letice Beach class. I see a bow lea
<v Speaker 3>Is that what you say? That's what I see.
<v Speaker 2>And then they put the domin the fucking Dungeon mask
<v Speaker 2>on him, you know, I know, just like every mask
<v Speaker 2>every wrestler has worn since nineteen twenty one, you know
<v Speaker 2>exactly he wore a super Destroyer and we don't have
<v Speaker 2>there's some stills of questionable vintage in terms of like,
<v Speaker 2>is this exactly his first few matches in seventy seven,
<v Speaker 2>But I I haven't seen more than one or two
<v Speaker 2>pictures of him in the ring with the hood on.
<v Speaker 2>There is one that's in Brian Blair book and elsewhere
<v Speaker 2>of him applying aside headlock with the black mask on
<v Speaker 2>inside a wrestling ring against Brian Blair. It looks precisely
<v Speaker 2>like the picture you're seeing there in terms of the
<v Speaker 2>nature of the mask and such, but it's not on film.
<v Speaker 2>It purposely wasn't on film. And what blows my mind
<v Speaker 2>is that Brian Blair talks so much about being his
<v Speaker 2>first match against Hogan. He was on the card where
<v Speaker 2>hull Cogan wrestled down Ze Rano wrestling Tony Rocco. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>look at headliner Jack Briscoe versus pat Patterson, which tracks
<v Speaker 2>because we saw how closely associated Patterson was with the
<v Speaker 2>office at the time, not only assistant booking underneath Johnny Valentine,
<v Speaker 2>but getting into the sport attornium and helping training guys
<v Speaker 2>including hul Cogan. You know, he throws that big dropkick
<v Speaker 2>in that clip that survived of Terry Bullay a training
<v Speaker 2>for the ring after returning from that injury, and so
<v Speaker 2>we know Patterson was involved, and you know, Hogan has
<v Speaker 2>the whole story about how you got to blow me
<v Speaker 2>and all that, and Patterson is part of the atmosphere
<v Speaker 2>at Florida.
<v Speaker 3>At the time.
<v Speaker 2>But the Johnny Valentine point is an important one because
<v Speaker 2>Briscoe brings up a lot. Think it's brought up very much.
<v Speaker 2>This is a Johnny Valentine who had been paralyzed for
<v Speaker 2>life and had his entering wrestling career ended in that
<v Speaker 2>plane crash in North Carolina, and so he's done. And
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Graham, who used Johnny Valentine to great success for
<v Speaker 2>years and years, really, according to Jerry Briscoe, kind of
<v Speaker 2>felt bad for the guy that wanted to give him
<v Speaker 2>a way to continue to earn a living in the
<v Speaker 2>business if he couldn't wrestle, so gave him the book
<v Speaker 2>in Florida. Now, you know, Edie Graham is always the
<v Speaker 2>booker if he's owning, if he's owning Florida, Eddie Graham
<v Speaker 2>is the ultimate decision maker. But you know, much like
<v Speaker 2>George Scott was Vince's booker and others, Vince Russo whatever,
<v Speaker 2>Vince's booker, you know, you do you do need somebody
<v Speaker 2>to kind of do the x's and o's of the
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. And that was Johnny Valentine. And according to Briscoe,
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Valentine just saw nothing. And in Terry Bolao he
<v Speaker 2>didn't see because he doesn't he doesn't fit what Florida
<v Speaker 2>had made money with for years and years and years. Sure,
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't see anything in him.
<v Speaker 3>And it's it's not.
<v Speaker 2>Unlike what happened to Holk when he went to Georgia
<v Speaker 2>for that time when Olie Anderson was booking.
<v Speaker 3>I was going to say that that reminded reminds me
<v Speaker 3>of Olie a little bit, so.
<v Speaker 2>That we're gonna go through a lot of that in
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bulay's earliest year, including what he really discovers the
<v Speaker 2>you know, the good stuff and fills out tremendously and
<v Speaker 2>looks like, you know, six million dollars walking around. Still
<v Speaker 2>there are promoters who have who know how to make
<v Speaker 2>money in their territory with their wrestlers and their fans
<v Speaker 2>that don't see where a guy that looks like Hulk
<v Speaker 2>and has the limited in ring skill set and background
<v Speaker 2>of Hulk but has the charisma of Hulk really fits in,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it reminds me a lot of Goldberg
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways in ninety seven, where it's
<v Speaker 2>like people going absolutely nuts with this guy. He turns
<v Speaker 2>heads everywhere he goes. But he didn't come up in
<v Speaker 2>the business learning how to wrestle.
<v Speaker 3>So we what are we going to do?
<v Speaker 2>Just turn the entire personality of the company over to
<v Speaker 2>this guy and build around him because he's super charismatic.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the answer is yes. The answer is yes,
<v Speaker 2>if you know how to you know, make money besides
<v Speaker 2>repeating something you've done six million times, if you know
<v Speaker 2>how to actually graduate your understanding of what makes money
<v Speaker 2>and wrestling, yes, that's exactly what you do. But it
<v Speaker 2>makes a lot of sense for the first real decade,
<v Speaker 2>hul Kogan interurirable. I found no promoter that was like,
<v Speaker 2>you know what we can We need to rebuild what
<v Speaker 2>it is people come to the matches for because of
<v Speaker 2>what this guy's doing in that ring, instead of trying
<v Speaker 2>to force him into a category that he won't fit
<v Speaker 2>as far as being an.
<v Speaker 3>Ent ring wrestler. Right, it's I mean, talk about like
<v Speaker 3>shooting yourself in your foot because it's like, well, no,
<v Speaker 3>I mean listen. I would. I'd push him to the
<v Speaker 3>moon if he could work our style, but he can't,
<v Speaker 3>so I don't know. I mean, yeah, sure, I guess
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna make money, but not here. He ain't.
<v Speaker 2>And they're probably worried that he's so much bigger than
<v Speaker 2>the guys that they draw with that if they put
<v Speaker 2>him in there, it's going to really strain credulity to
<v Speaker 2>the audience to keep their smaller guys over against a
<v Speaker 2>guy of that size. Because if there's one thing we
<v Speaker 2>know about the mentality of the wrestling fan, particularly back then,
<v Speaker 2>size makes a huge difference. And people were so convinced
<v Speaker 2>before UFC that the bigger guy would always.
<v Speaker 3>Kick ass if you book if you book it properly, though,
<v Speaker 3>you can always have a David and Goliath match up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's more than they were willing to entertain it.
<v Speaker 3>I never understand that, just weird thing, like you can
<v Speaker 3>always make a David that that actually makes it more
<v Speaker 3>interesting if because the odds are against one person.
<v Speaker 2>They're pushing more like in the direction of like an Andre,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, if this guy's gonna have a spot
<v Speaker 2>in the business, it's gonna be this touring special attraction
<v Speaker 2>one off, come see the Hulp. It's not going to
<v Speaker 2>be some guy that actually wins our world title and
<v Speaker 2>tours all of our cities and sells out all of
<v Speaker 2>our buildings. He's going to be someone that we have
<v Speaker 2>for a little while. This guy has for a little while.
<v Speaker 2>That's clearly where they saw Hulk, because you know, Florida
<v Speaker 2>understood big guys. They understood New York was the big
<v Speaker 2>guy territory, and they understood how big guys were used
<v Speaker 2>up there, and it's not how big guys were used
<v Speaker 2>anywhere else in the United States at that point in time.
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating to see Hulk,
<v Speaker 2>even in the earliest days, be put into a category
<v Speaker 2>of someone that doesn't really fit here, even though everyone
<v Speaker 2>talks about how much he you know, you heard in
<v Speaker 2>that clip from Jerry Briscoe there, how much he's turning
<v Speaker 2>heads the second he walks through the curtain for the
<v Speaker 2>first time, and he also says, does Jerry that that
<v Speaker 2>was his Terry We booked him as Terry Bullay in
<v Speaker 2>Vero Beach. I don't know he I mean no, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>he's super destroyer here. Everyone talks about it. There's contemporaneous
<v Speaker 2>newspaper coverage of this show that says he was super destroyer.
<v Speaker 2>So there are points early in this you know, formative run.
<v Speaker 2>This is this earliest run of Terry Blay in Florida
<v Speaker 2>that he does wrestle as Terry Boleyo. I mean it's there,
<v Speaker 2>but it's not here, sure, So we'll talk here more
<v Speaker 2>about the mask. This is Brisco talking about some of
<v Speaker 2>the tenants that I just outlined there as to why
<v Speaker 2>to put Terry Boleya under a mask here in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven.
<v Speaker 7>Oh, they got to the point where we're beating this guy,
<v Speaker 7>but we don't want people to know who he is.
<v Speaker 7>Like putting a mask on a six foot seven guy
<v Speaker 7>with blown blonde hair sticking out from underneither they're not
<v Speaker 7>going to know who he isn't in this body that
<v Speaker 7>he has, you know, that's how naive really were. So
<v Speaker 7>we'll put him under a mask, and then when we're
<v Speaker 7>really to really do something, people won't remember he was
<v Speaker 7>the guy that we get in the hell beat out.
<v Speaker 7>So we're starting to protect him Valentine or anything. But
<v Speaker 7>through my brother and I and through us talking to
<v Speaker 7>Andy Graham and Eddie really thank you all. Well, let's
<v Speaker 7>put him under a mask. You don't have a hide
<v Speaker 7>him out, you know, and when we're ready with him,
<v Speaker 7>we can pull a mask off and yeah, I think
<v Speaker 7>be and whatever he was gonna be.
<v Speaker 3>There it is where you're gonna be.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, uh, you know, a charitable reading, maybe that's true.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's untrue that, you know, if you
<v Speaker 2>saw something and a guy, you put the mask on
<v Speaker 2>him so that the fans didn't prejudge him. But the
<v Speaker 2>way they dealt with him after this Florida the Office
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really tell me that they were that they saw
<v Speaker 2>a lot that they wanted to capitalize on themselves, maybe
<v Speaker 2>that they thought other promoters could capitalize on.
<v Speaker 3>But they don't.
<v Speaker 2>They don't take the steps that you would take to
<v Speaker 2>follow through on that initial idea of why you put
<v Speaker 2>him under the hood and then get to a point
<v Speaker 2>where they take the hood off of him and and
<v Speaker 2>run him on the circuit. They get they get to
<v Speaker 2>a point where they want to actually send him away
<v Speaker 2>from Florida, And to me, that kind it doesn't jibe
<v Speaker 2>with the idea that we need to protect them from
<v Speaker 2>Florida fans because when the hood comes off, we can
<v Speaker 2>run with them if they then try to ship him
<v Speaker 2>out to another territory, which, as we'll get to frustrates
<v Speaker 2>Terry quite a bit and creates quite a hiccup and
<v Speaker 2>detour in his progression as the world's most famous pro wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>So there's the justification on the hood, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>make whatever conclusions you want from there. But as we go,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to question this idea that they felt they
<v Speaker 2>had something to protect. So maybe maybe they just didn't
<v Speaker 2>want the embarrassment of putting someone out there.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean that I was gonna say like that,
<v Speaker 3>that to me seems more likely in that if we
<v Speaker 3>put them under a mask, they'll never know who it is,
<v Speaker 3>and and we don't, you know, we're we're kind of
<v Speaker 3>safe too, because then we don't we don't have to
<v Speaker 3>worry about ever. You guys fucking hired Terry. But let
<v Speaker 3>that guy was a fucking loser who do terrible? We
<v Speaker 3>fucking yeah, we had the maskcot I don't know who
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about. Terrible.
<v Speaker 2>I like that's pretty good, yeah, because you get from
<v Speaker 2>this small town Tampa mindset, you know, you gotta remember that.
<v Speaker 2>But I want you to take a look at something, boss.
<v Speaker 2>This is what our friend Matt was able to dig
<v Speaker 2>up from some boy archives and and a great book
<v Speaker 2>that lists Florida territorial results through the years, and deeply
<v Speaker 2>researched the results. This is a poster from the show
<v Speaker 2>at the John Carroll High School Gym Tuesday, August night,
<v Speaker 2>John Carroll Lynch High School, John Carroll, Carroll, Lynch. See
<v Speaker 2>the matches listed there, yes, tell me, uh, tell me
<v Speaker 2>what you notice? Oh boy, I see Brian Blair versus
<v Speaker 2>Tony Rocco. I see Jerry Brisco versus Buddy Roberts. I
<v Speaker 2>see Charlie Cook versus Tony Marino. I see Jack Brisco
<v Speaker 2>versus Pat Patterson. And I see Don Serrano versus Wolfman Smith.
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm, that's very interesting. I don't see I don't see
<v Speaker 3>super Destroyer or masked wrestler or whatever the fuck. So
<v Speaker 3>how about this? Uh huh? This is from a.
<v Speaker 2>Paper out out there. Don't you read that to the people.
<v Speaker 2>This is from August tenth, seventy seven, the day after
<v Speaker 2>the show.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Brisco's triumph over foes. The Briscoes came out of
<v Speaker 3>Tuesday Nights pro Wrestling card at John Carroll's Gym, victorious
<v Speaker 3>as Jerry beat Buddy Roberts while Jack stopped Pat Patterson.
<v Speaker 3>Another action, Brian Blair took a win over Tony Rocco.
<v Speaker 3>Don Serrano defeated Super Destroyer, who replaced no show wolf
<v Speaker 3>Man Smith and Charlie Cook and Tony Marino battled to
<v Speaker 3>a draw. Carol's Athletic director Clyde Russ Let's wave with
<v Speaker 3>a large crowd at Large Share, we had over six
<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty people, great big crowd for a for
<v Speaker 3>a wrestling show at John Carroll's.
<v Speaker 2>So Terry bowley Is first match was not architected like that.
<v Speaker 2>He was a substitution for a no show.
<v Speaker 3>I guess would put in Bowlea all right, I guess, well,
<v Speaker 3>wolf Man didn't show up, Jack got to put in
<v Speaker 3>Bowlia and Bristow.
<v Speaker 2>Never talks about this when he tells a story, and
<v Speaker 2>as you just heard, he was on the card himself
<v Speaker 2>as well. He never talks about the idea that Terry
<v Speaker 2>was put out before the people because someone else didn't
<v Speaker 2>show up, And I just find fascinating to me it
<v Speaker 2>lends further credence to the idea that they had no
<v Speaker 2>real design on the sky, not at all, no way,
<v Speaker 2>because if you have high hopes for this guy, if
<v Speaker 2>you want to carefully manage and get him out there
<v Speaker 2>and get experience, I mean, I don't know, maybe just
<v Speaker 2>happen to be there and you you're good enough. I
<v Speaker 2>wonder if he was even going to be put under
<v Speaker 2>the hood. Probably he was, because there's these felicity photos
<v Speaker 2>ahead of time. But I can just I can't imagine
<v Speaker 2>why it's not a huge part of Hogan lore that
<v Speaker 2>there was this scramble at the show to replace wolf
<v Speaker 2>Man Smith and they threw him out there. Like why
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't remember that? Because to me, that's like the
<v Speaker 2>ultimate whole time his story. Brother, first match, I don't even.
<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, right, I mean that is in a way,
<v Speaker 3>in a weird way, that's kind of that plays into
<v Speaker 3>the whole Well, brother, I didn't even know I was
<v Speaker 3>going out there. And also they throw me out theren't
<v Speaker 3>even know it's fake, dude, I don't know, my muscles
<v Speaker 3>were kind of fake, so geraloid from so I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, that's insane, No, I mean that that
<v Speaker 3>that I mean my instinct, right, there. My gut is
<v Speaker 3>telling me that, right, I mean, they're just saving their face.
<v Speaker 3>They're just saving face.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now you know there, knowing how big of a
<v Speaker 2>deal he became, knowing how big deal he became, and like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, if it I mean because it makes them
<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, you don't even saving face. It makes
<v Speaker 2>them look like they're fucking heroes. Yes, it does, because
<v Speaker 2>we discovered Hulk Hogan. Everyone, right, that's the thing about
<v Speaker 2>those that generations. Man, I discovered hul Kogan, mister MacMahon,
<v Speaker 2>And they tell it as like the sort of like gregarious,
<v Speaker 2>we were, we were so you know, impressed, and we
<v Speaker 2>were so happy to help facilitate this. But really what
<v Speaker 2>it is is it's thanks to me, like thanks to
<v Speaker 2>me that this happened, you know, or at least without
<v Speaker 2>me it wouldn't have happened, is to the degree that
<v Speaker 2>it did. That's what you always have to keep in
<v Speaker 2>mind when the old time wrestler is telling a story,
<v Speaker 2>is his first goal is to make himself an indispensable
<v Speaker 2>part of someone else's success in the telling of the story.
<v Speaker 2>At least now I'm not suggesting that he didn't have
<v Speaker 2>a big part and talking to Hulk at the other
<v Speaker 2>place and talking about, you know, the wrestling business of
<v Speaker 2>what it would take to get into it and all
<v Speaker 2>of that, and setting them up with a pair of
<v Speaker 2>boots and with Matt Suda and Eddie Graham and all
<v Speaker 2>of that. I'm not saying that didn't happen, but I
<v Speaker 2>do think that the half hazard nature of these earliest
<v Speaker 2>matches do not suggest an office that sees a tremendous
<v Speaker 2>amount in the sky. Okay, and Hulk himself would say
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. I want to ask you a question, boss, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to send Hulk Goggin out there for
<v Speaker 2>the first time, is super Destroyer?
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. What is move set?
<v Speaker 2>Is his finishers? He's no time to season. This is
<v Speaker 2>the very first time out there, and it's it's in
<v Speaker 2>this this sort of harried replacement situation.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Would you look around, look what's my finish? I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what what what is your finish? I have no idea, Like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what to come up with. You
<v Speaker 2>want to click the link I just sent you, which
<v Speaker 2>is Oh Boy. The Online World of Wrestling's biography of
<v Speaker 2>Wolfman Smith, who also wrestled as John Smith and as
<v Speaker 2>we'll get too many others. I want you to tell
<v Speaker 2>me what Wolfman Smith's finish. Holy shit, what do you see?
<v Speaker 3>Leg drop? Brother? Could it be?
<v Speaker 6>Wow?
<v Speaker 3>Could it be? Well, I'll tell you what. We go
<v Speaker 3>out there. You just do the thing, you know, just
<v Speaker 3>wrestle lock. You might as well just people are expecting
<v Speaker 3>Wolfman Smith. Just go out there and wrestle like wolf
<v Speaker 3>Man Smith. He does drop? Do we do? Do DoD
<v Speaker 3>anyone teach you did Matt So to teach you how
<v Speaker 3>to do a leg drop? What he broke my leg? Dude,
<v Speaker 3>and I want to drop my leg? Brother, Well that's
<v Speaker 3>the way it's gotta be. You gotta wrestle like Wolfman.
<v Speaker 3>If you don't wrestle like Wolfman Smith, you're fired and
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna kick your out break your leg again. You
<v Speaker 3>get out there, you drop legs or to a lateral drop?
<v Speaker 1>What?
<v Speaker 3>Just get the fuck out there, bitch.
<v Speaker 2>And there he goes what I like to imagine with
<v Speaker 2>the leg drop instructions, maybe even goes for the leg
<v Speaker 2>drop and misses it during the course of the match.
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that something to think about? I mean, also, wolf
<v Speaker 2>Man Smith looking like one of the fucking vashions here.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely he does.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely he does, and he kind of played he kind
<v Speaker 2>of played along those lines in terms of in terms
<v Speaker 2>of his history, he was known as Soldat Gorky, a
<v Speaker 2>Russian heel throughout most of his career, That's the name
<v Speaker 2>he was known most for, including in the Portland wrestling circuit.
<v Speaker 2>He was he was a Canadian, and of course he
<v Speaker 2>was right and wrestled as many names good the Alaskan
<v Speaker 2>Wolfman John Smith throughout Florida starting as early as the
<v Speaker 2>late forties and was obviously still i don't know, still
<v Speaker 2>being booked in seventy seven, not showing up though, working
<v Speaker 2>territories around the country and around North America. Really had
<v Speaker 2>regular runs in Vancouver and Seattle, and adopted the name
<v Speaker 2>sold At Gorky when he was up in the Washington
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest territory, and he would play, you know, a
<v Speaker 2>typical Russian heel, teaming with other Russians to.
<v Speaker 3>To you know, bring the.
<v Speaker 2>Cold War to these motherfuckers. And yeah, wrestled pretty much
<v Speaker 2>on those circuits. But here had landed in Tampa by
<v Speaker 2>this point in time, and he did a lot of
<v Speaker 2>teaming with Kurt von Poppenheim, who was another kind of
<v Speaker 2>German heel and he im pretty sure Kurt von Poppenheim
<v Speaker 2>got involved down in Florida with Boris Malenko's school, the
<v Speaker 2>father of Dean Malinko, and was around that circuit quite
<v Speaker 2>a bit as well, and they had a school, so
<v Speaker 2>it kind of tracks in terms of getting him down
<v Speaker 2>to Florida and placing him there. He worked for Stu
<v Speaker 2>Hart and Stampede as well, did Wolfman Smith, winning the
<v Speaker 2>Canadian tag team titles at one point with Dave Rule,
<v Speaker 2>and trained many wrestlers as well throughout the course of
<v Speaker 2>his time in the wrestling business. So Wolfman Smith apparently
<v Speaker 2>a hugely important part of Hull Coggin's story because he
<v Speaker 2>didn't show up and out Terry Bully goes for the
<v Speaker 2>first time to hear that bell sound before a live crowd,
<v Speaker 2>and it is the complete Hull Cogan and so any
<v Speaker 2>cross current, be it a childhood friend, be it, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, some some random sideshow occurrence, be it some
<v Speaker 2>first husband of his mother. You know, we're going to
<v Speaker 2>pin it down. We're going to know the dossier on
<v Speaker 2>anybody who had anything to do with dictating the course
<v Speaker 2>wittingly or unwittingly of Hulk Cogan's life in Times. And
<v Speaker 2>so here's a little piece that ran down in the
<v Speaker 2>Tampa newspapers. I just sent it to you, boss. That
<v Speaker 2>gets us well acquainted with Wolfman Smith, the guy who
<v Speaker 2>no show to the show that put Hulk in the
<v Speaker 2>ring for the first time.
<v Speaker 3>Let me see here here we go. Oh did you
<v Speaker 3>email to me? Sure? Did? Okay?
<v Speaker 2>There we go from the Tampa Times nineteen seventy six.
<v Speaker 2>So the year before, just.
<v Speaker 3>Got a Golden Steer email. What's going on and related news? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you look up there first of all. See I'm still
<v Speaker 3>waiting for their fucking their New York drop here, you know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's a long time coming, follow twenty twenty five. Still,
<v Speaker 3>but they're not giving me a date.
<v Speaker 2>They're steering you on the wrong course.
<v Speaker 3>Ah damn. Right, come on, I want to I want
<v Speaker 3>to be there when it fucking opens. Anyway, all right,
<v Speaker 3>here we go, Wolfman be Wolfman un here. Look at him.
<v Speaker 3>He looks just like fucking mad Dog, he really does.
<v Speaker 3>And mother fuck, he's playing the fiddle. The fuck's wrong
<v Speaker 3>with him?
<v Speaker 2>Get a bar down there in Tampa.
<v Speaker 3>That's wild. He doesn't even need a bouncer. By Dale Wilson.
<v Speaker 3>If you ever go into the Holiday Bar on Waters
<v Speaker 3>Avenue some Friday night, don't try to pick a fight
<v Speaker 3>with the bartender. Don't even think of arm wrestling him.
<v Speaker 3>You'll lose. The bartender is Wolfman Jack Smith John Smith.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, I'm losing my mind. Wolfman John Smith a
<v Speaker 3>professional wrestler whose specialty is butting his shaved head against
<v Speaker 3>an opponent until the poor man is knocked almost senseless.
<v Speaker 3>He's a man whose grip is almost as strong as
<v Speaker 3>Elmer's glue, and one who stands for no foolishness when
<v Speaker 3>he's around. Quote uh, I don't know what he sounds. Well,
<v Speaker 3>this used to be a pretty big, pretty rough bar
<v Speaker 3>three years ago when I first bought it, but things
<v Speaker 3>quieted down when I took over. One of the first
<v Speaker 3>things I did was to ban the former bartender from
<v Speaker 3>the place. Yes, Smith said, puffing on a big black cigar.
<v Speaker 3>Trouble makers are few and far between in the Holiday Bar.
<v Speaker 3>When they see the size of me, they know better
<v Speaker 3>than to start something. The two hundred and thirty five
<v Speaker 3>pound barrel chested wrestlers said they think twice before they
<v Speaker 3>do anything. Oh sorry, here we go, but anything Twice
<v Speaker 3>before they do anything, he says in a deep gruff voice. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>but if you play the fiddle or the guitar and
<v Speaker 3>can sing a country tune, step right in, you're as
<v Speaker 3>welcome as can be the original karaoke Yeah right, exactly,
<v Speaker 3>Who wants to start trouble when there's so much good
<v Speaker 3>country music around, especially with the Wolfman himself.
<v Speaker 2>He didn't didn't just to take Wolfman's place on that card.
<v Speaker 2>He took Wolfman's business plan as.
<v Speaker 3>Well, You damn fucking right. Maybe he took the same
<v Speaker 3>actual maybe almost bought the bar or two for that matter.
<v Speaker 3>Anytime of the day or night, Smith is liable to
<v Speaker 3>grab his trusty old violin and bow, pat his right
<v Speaker 3>foot once or twice on the floor, and start sawing
<v Speaker 3>out a squeaky solo that would put any competent country
<v Speaker 3>fiddler down in shame. Why it was only last week
<v Speaker 3>Smith said that his longtime grappling buddy, the Missouri Maller,
<v Speaker 3>came by for a quick glass of SuDS and ended
<v Speaker 3>up staying half the night singing his heart out.
<v Speaker 2>Maller was a big heel back then, attacking dusty and
<v Speaker 2>stuff on Florida TV.
<v Speaker 3>He's got a beautiful voyage me. I don't carry a
<v Speaker 3>tune at all. Smith says. It seems that one of
<v Speaker 3>his restling opponents a while back gave him a hard
<v Speaker 3>knee stop in the throat, and Smith has sounded like
<v Speaker 3>a horse bulldog ever since. Huh, what does he know
<v Speaker 3>any other geer than horse? He'd rather let people let
<v Speaker 3>the maller do the singing honor. The giant, a seven
<v Speaker 3>foot four giant of a wrestler who can throw a
<v Speaker 3>man out of the ring easier than you can sail
<v Speaker 3>a paper plane across the room, also comes by, but
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't sing much. What do you know? What do
<v Speaker 3>you know about my ability to sail a paper plane
<v Speaker 3>across it? Exactly? For some shit man? Right, it could
<v Speaker 3>be for all you and I could be a gold
<v Speaker 3>medalist in paper planes and throwing fucker Dale will highlight paper,
<v Speaker 3>fly highlight paper? Huh?
<v Speaker 2>And I'm trying to do a lyric book forgot a
<v Speaker 2>fly highlight paper? Get high like planes?
<v Speaker 3>Yes, there we go. Oh he claps a lot, though.
<v Speaker 3>Wolf Man said Smith's Holiday bar, located off Florida Avenue
<v Speaker 3>in North Tampa, is not hard to spot. It's one.
<v Speaker 3>It's the one that has a twenty foot long sign
<v Speaker 3>hung right across the top with the Wolfman's picture, shaved head,
<v Speaker 3>familiar beard and mustache, and wrestler ready stands painted on it.
<v Speaker 3>Inside there are scores and photographs of all the famous wrestlers,
<v Speaker 3>Dusty Roads, Terry Funk, Thunderbolt Patterson the Great, my.
<v Speaker 2>Early opponent of Terry's, as well as we'll get to.
<v Speaker 3>All right, Haystacks Calhoun, the Mongolian Stomper, and others plaster
<v Speaker 3>on the walls. The wolf Man is all, oh, we'll
<v Speaker 3>go Mongolian stopping. Wait a minute, isn't that we are
<v Speaker 3>chie Goldie? Oh okay, not not all I was thinking of?
<v Speaker 3>Who am I thinking of?
<v Speaker 11>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>Different Mongolian stomper? My bad uh Nils Allen Stewart. Oh sure,
<v Speaker 3>the next the new Mongolian stomper? More like starring in
<v Speaker 3>star starring in the Jesse Ventura movie. And uh, what
<v Speaker 3>do we just do? We just did something with him
<v Speaker 3>the cinemat yep. Oh ship, I forgot what we did
<v Speaker 3>with him. Oh, I know the time crappy movie there,
<v Speaker 3>the Time movie with Heenan and Jane. Oh, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that awful piece of ship. Horrible with your with your
<v Speaker 3>with your good buddy, you know you're best friend. This
<v Speaker 3>is an example of a Dutch tingle.
<v Speaker 2>Because of the canton angle of the camera, it remains
<v Speaker 2>interesting to watch.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, this is just lesson, man, it remains interesting to watch.
<v Speaker 2>You don't know what that's about. Like, you gotta listen
<v Speaker 2>to this episode of Under the Cinema. It's like it
<v Speaker 2>just takes us to a whole different level of aggravation.
<v Speaker 3>There is there is. I mean, you know I should
<v Speaker 3>talk because you know, here I am, what movie have
<v Speaker 3>I directed? But man, sometimes you know, digging up these
<v Speaker 3>directors and you just find out what fucking hacks they are.
<v Speaker 3>There's absolute hacks, really unfucking believable. But again, you know,
<v Speaker 3>they can say, yeah, how's your movie doing Dutch Dutch angle,
<v Speaker 3>I'll say, I'll say it might be doing better than
<v Speaker 3>the Smashing Machine. But that's ah fuck, I know it's
<v Speaker 3>an art film. Everyone's saying, well, you know he's doing
<v Speaker 3>it for rewards, doing to make money. Now you know what,
<v Speaker 3>he still wanted to make money. Listen, he's hurting. He's hurting, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>he's hurting. This week he's not answering calls, all right,
<v Speaker 3>He's he's not happy right too. He's not happy. He's
<v Speaker 3>not happy that Tata beat him out, all right, he
<v Speaker 3>ain't happy about that.
<v Speaker 6>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>The wolf Man has his own picture in the revolving
<v Speaker 3>Schlitz clock above the bar. If you couldn't picture this
<v Speaker 3>bar before, Oh my god, that's brilliant. He's even been
<v Speaker 3>known to pick up a broom and sweep the place
<v Speaker 3>once in a while, but he doesn't do that often.
<v Speaker 3>Oh great, okay, I can't wait to go. The hoots
<v Speaker 3>and dollars from all his customers are too much, he says.
<v Speaker 3>But when it comes to playing the violin, guitar, banjo,
<v Speaker 3>ukulelea harmonica, the wolf Man is tops. He can even
<v Speaker 3>whip out a knee kicking. It's allf This is where
<v Speaker 3>my mind is. Okay, I keep saying, you can even
<v Speaker 3>whip out his cock.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've been coming up with a million of
<v Speaker 2>those as you've been reading, keeping a lid on it.
<v Speaker 3>You can even whip out a knee kicking Russian poka
<v Speaker 3>on the fiddle and add the words to the tune
<v Speaker 3>to boot in Russian. No less, well, I speak none
<v Speaker 3>different languages. I learned most of them while I was wrestling, niece,
<v Speaker 3>Smith said. Old timers remember Smith as the wrestler who
<v Speaker 3>starred with the Bowery Boys in the movie Go Ahead,
<v Speaker 3>Go Ahead, No Holds Barred? What this is? Nineteen seven?
<v Speaker 11>What?
<v Speaker 3>Six? Okay? Huh? Hold on? Hold on? I got it now? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>why all right?
<v Speaker 1>Hold on?
<v Speaker 3>Hold on? I know I gotta say this is now?
<v Speaker 3>I am I am well. I mean also, it's not
<v Speaker 3>even the closest, like Hogan's is not even the first.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's there's one in fifty two. There's one
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty as well, so it's certainly a common name.
<v Speaker 3>But I need to know that there's another No hold
<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifty two. That's the one. Okay, that makes sense.
<v Speaker 3>That's Nuteen fifty two one. So they were, well, look
<v Speaker 3>at this.
<v Speaker 2>Huh oh, oh my god, I think we have our connection.
<v Speaker 3>I need to find this fucking movie. It's like, I
<v Speaker 3>need to find this fucking movie. This is Oh my god,
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it's gotta be someplace.
<v Speaker 2>Holy sh The Bowery Boys in No Holds Barred. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of wrestlers in the fifties doing a monkey, flip.
<v Speaker 3>Shack acquires super strength, which the boys attempt to cash
<v Speaker 3>in by turning them into a professional wrestler. Tremendous sounds
<v Speaker 3>like money to me.
<v Speaker 2>So among the other many things that will unfurl over
<v Speaker 2>the course of the complete whole code, holy shit, cinema
<v Speaker 2>adjacency is going to be very strong, very strong.
<v Speaker 4>Yes.
<v Speaker 3>And in another film called Wrestling Queen that one I
<v Speaker 3>know of, he and his brother Al Canadians by birth,
<v Speaker 3>hold the longest tag team champion Al Smith. That's great.
<v Speaker 2>These guys are just marquis fucking John Smith and Al Smith.
<v Speaker 3>John and Al, the Smith brothers. Can I buy a ticket?
<v Speaker 3>The Smith's I know hold the longest tag team championship
<v Speaker 3>title in wrestling history seven years. It's not uncommon for
<v Speaker 3>kids to walk into Wolfman's bar, tug on his sleeve
<v Speaker 3>and ask for his autograph. He's now fifty four years
<v Speaker 3>old and has been knocking heads professionally for the past
<v Speaker 3>twenty nine years. I'm getting to the age, nour I
<v Speaker 3>want to retire. You know, some of these younger guys
<v Speaker 3>are getting too tough for me. When you get older,
<v Speaker 3>you don't you don't have as much energy as the
<v Speaker 3>other guy, he said, just because other wrestlers throng to
<v Speaker 3>Smith's Holiday Bar for a draft beer, don't drop by
<v Speaker 3>yourself just to bug them about last Tuesday night's matches. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there's no shop talking here. This is a place where
<v Speaker 3>a wrestler can come by and get away with the
<v Speaker 3>forget away from the grind of the ring. That's one
<v Speaker 3>thing about these guys. When they go someplace, they don't
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about wrestling. They want to enjoy the evening.
<v Speaker 3>When they leave that ring, they want to be left alone,
<v Speaker 3>just like I want to be left alone in.
<v Speaker 6>My bar all the time.
<v Speaker 3>Don't come in custom I don't own this to sell liquor.
<v Speaker 3>I own this to just be alone.
<v Speaker 2>I'm also having a Laundromats sign in the fucking window,
<v Speaker 2>because that's what's going on in here.
<v Speaker 3>With money. I'm fucking right, Oh, it absolutely is. There's
<v Speaker 3>let me tell you, there is no cleaner money than
<v Speaker 3>in the Holiday Bar.
<v Speaker 2>I am kind of obsessed with Florida Championship Wrestling personnel
<v Speaker 2>and talent having side businesses. I'm obsessed with Briscoe Brothers
<v Speaker 2>body shop. I'm obsessed with here Matsuita's wrestling gear.
<v Speaker 3>Shot and everything school fucking weird ass little fucking things
<v Speaker 3>that he does.
<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with that guy who made all the clothes
<v Speaker 2>for Jimmy Hendrix and Macho Man and Hogan and his business.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm obsessed with John Wolfman Smith's holiday bar us.
<v Speaker 2>But if you're after an ear full of foot stomping music,
<v Speaker 2>drop on by, says the Wolfman. Oh this is a
<v Speaker 2>family bar, and you ought to see us when we
<v Speaker 2>start jamming. What is Matt hill billie music? What's a
<v Speaker 2>family bar? I know right, I mean kids drink free?
<v Speaker 2>Well we you know, in our bar there is no
<v Speaker 2>legal age. I see, I've seen, I've had observed babies.
<v Speaker 2>Some bard liquor wasn't necessary.
<v Speaker 3>Oh shit that We'll leave that one there. Holy ship,
<v Speaker 3>look at that picture.
<v Speaker 2>There's a big courtesy of the homie Matt of the
<v Speaker 2>exterior one nineteen what is.
<v Speaker 3>It nineteen West Waters Waters. Yeah, it looks like that.
<v Speaker 3>That picture of him on top of that sign of
<v Speaker 3>holiday bar looks like one that's on a on a
<v Speaker 3>on a w W ice cream. It's just there.
<v Speaker 2>I'm in a pair of trunks and this is John
<v Speaker 2>Wolfman Smith on the marquee. Next to the Coca Cola sign.
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, the seventies in Tampa or the sixties where
<v Speaker 2>that's from.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, that's insane.
<v Speaker 2>So that was the guy who didn't show up for
<v Speaker 2>the match that caused Terry Boleya to hit the ring
<v Speaker 2>for a live crowd for the first time back in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven. And since there are so few who
<v Speaker 2>would call how that one would have played out, we
<v Speaker 2>defer to Jerry Brisco once again. Here he is talking
<v Speaker 2>to Brad Baluccian about how the match between Terry Boleya
<v Speaker 2>Super Destroyer and Don Serno played out.
<v Speaker 7>Don Don goes to the ring first, of course, and
<v Speaker 7>in this corner, you know, weighing three hundred and twenty
<v Speaker 7>five pounds, whatever the heck he was, Terry Boleya. Terry
<v Speaker 7>comes once again, I said, he comes out, and then
<v Speaker 7>once again he's got that fool head of bond here
<v Speaker 7>and he's always been. He just looks like ten million dollars, right,
<v Speaker 7>I mean, oh my god, he just looks different than
<v Speaker 7>everybody on the car.
<v Speaker 12>Did he have any kind of gimmick or he had
<v Speaker 12>a T shirt and a pair of tights and a
<v Speaker 12>pair of boots that my brother bought him. Yeah, my
<v Speaker 12>brother bought him his first pair of boots. Was he
<v Speaker 12>working as a baby face or he and was working
<v Speaker 12>as a heel kind of a tweeter? Yeah, okay, don
<v Speaker 12>Don was a baby face heel, so he was working
<v Speaker 12>a kind of a tweeter. But since he was so
<v Speaker 12>big and everything, he was a heel and Don Don
<v Speaker 12>was an average size guy. So he comes, he comes
<v Speaker 12>through that doorway there, and and the old armories that
<v Speaker 12>we worked, we had those rope staunch and jail rope
<v Speaker 12>and I don't know, the old seaman had a dispair
<v Speaker 12>of tires, you know with a pole pole.
<v Speaker 4>Well beach and at Vero Beach. That's how big is
<v Speaker 4>the house? Do you think I'd say? Once again it's
<v Speaker 4>a max house that sold out, cause in a couple
<v Speaker 4>of thousand, No, and I sold out.
<v Speaker 7>And then I, like I said before it and these
<v Speaker 7>house shows where we put these guys, they were in
<v Speaker 7>these spots shows.
<v Speaker 4>They were MAX people in these small armories maybe six.
<v Speaker 7>Seven hundred right, okay, but it was packed house one
<v Speaker 7>on was between five and seven hundred people.
<v Speaker 4>The shirt okay, so he's he opens that door and
<v Speaker 4>he walks out. Well, we got two security.
<v Speaker 7>Guys that walk out with the with the bad guy.
<v Speaker 7>Oh even back in those they've always had two security guys,
<v Speaker 7>one in front, one in back. Well, Terry pops through
<v Speaker 7>that door and he makes those security guys look like midgets,
<v Speaker 7>you know, and you know, everybody, you could just you
<v Speaker 7>could just hear the ooo and there, you know, And
<v Speaker 7>Terry got one of those skin tight T shirts on
<v Speaker 7>and he's as ten as possive. It looks like he
<v Speaker 7>just come off the off the beach after setting out
<v Speaker 7>to him for twelve hours, and he he looked fantastic.
<v Speaker 7>Walks to the ring by tom he's walking to the ring.
<v Speaker 7>The entire six seven hundred people want every that are
<v Speaker 7>on their feet and now they're cheering this guy. Never
<v Speaker 7>before seeing him, didn't know who in hell Terry Boley was.
<v Speaker 7>Didn't have a clue about this guy. But they're all
<v Speaker 7>her feet, sharing the holy heck out of out of Terry.
<v Speaker 7>Terry gets to the ring and they got a standing
<v Speaker 7>ovation on the very first entrance, very first master and
<v Speaker 7>in the business and of d D D Albell right race, Well,
<v Speaker 7>this is where it kind of kicks. And Terry don't
<v Speaker 7>know crap, you know, I mean and Don Don likes.
<v Speaker 7>Don's that guy, that master technician that we put him
<v Speaker 7>with to take.
<v Speaker 4>Care of him.
<v Speaker 7>So Don grabs him, grabs him, grab a headlock. So
<v Speaker 7>Terry grabs a headlock, and you can almost hear Don tighter, tighter, tighter,
<v Speaker 7>cause everybody in the back stage was ribbon Terry abt.
<v Speaker 7>Don't hurt this guy. Don't hurt if he hurt the
<v Speaker 7>first guy, you'll never get another. Master Terry is from
<v Speaker 7>the from the old timer. He feed him all this
<v Speaker 7>crap in the in the back. He's terrified, you know
<v Speaker 7>that he's gonna be too strong for Don and hurt him. Well,
<v Speaker 7>Don's a big muscular guy, small but muscular as hell.
<v Speaker 7>So you can almost hear Don tighter, tighter, tighter, and
<v Speaker 7>you almost hear the people tighter tighter.
<v Speaker 4>But he gets to the match and he does a.
<v Speaker 7>Couple of little things and he just he doesn't do
<v Speaker 7>anything Hogan ask wise, anything that tips off.
<v Speaker 4>You know, that's the Holgan that we know now. He
<v Speaker 4>didn't do any of that stuff.
<v Speaker 7>He just kept it to the basic hadlock, armbar and
<v Speaker 7>lake scissor and and sell a little bit and and
<v Speaker 7>the Toronto Beaching one two three in the middle of
<v Speaker 7>the ring. Boom, it's over Don Lee's and Terry's walking back. Damn,
<v Speaker 7>people give him another standing ovation. Weird as hell. You
<v Speaker 7>got your ass beat your first match and they're giving
<v Speaker 7>you a standing ovation.
<v Speaker 4>He gets some batchel everybody's talking about, sees that money.
<v Speaker 7>Everybody's patting him on the back, even though the match
<v Speaker 7>was the craps, but they way to go because he
<v Speaker 7>had his posture and had demeanor during the match.
<v Speaker 4>Was one of somebody who had been in the ring.
<v Speaker 7>Well, it's somebody's a performer, and being in that band
<v Speaker 7>probably help him worth that, you know, because you got
<v Speaker 7>to perform on stage in a band too, So that
<v Speaker 7>probably aid in in his in his advancement.
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just fell in love with the guy in
<v Speaker 2>the mask and they just couldn't get enough. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>they did a million dollars dressed like a dominatrix or whatever, right, right,
<v Speaker 2>so like a look like a fucking executioner nineteen ninety six.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought you're gonna say earlier than that. It's
<v Speaker 3>exactly like Terry Gordy in ninety six. Exactly what a
<v Speaker 3>fucking bloatish ship. I don't think. So you don't believe
<v Speaker 3>any any of it? No, I don't believe any of
<v Speaker 3>that shit. Ever heard that before until Brad how I mean, listen,
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you why I don't believe it, because we've
<v Speaker 3>seen him run the ropes. Okay, we've seen him do it.
<v Speaker 3>When was that a year before this? It may have
<v Speaker 3>been this year, which makes it even more that that
<v Speaker 3>to me, that that that that that that is more
<v Speaker 3>in my favor for saying this, because he there's no
<v Speaker 3>way people are cheering a guy who who who moves
<v Speaker 3>like that?
<v Speaker 4>Right?
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't even look intimidating, and he's fucking tall as fuck,
<v Speaker 3>but he's so fucking scrawny even in those photos. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>he's got he's got some build, but he doesn't look intimidating.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he was in person, maybe we see him you know,
<v Speaker 3>six foot eight or wherever the fuck he is in person,
<v Speaker 3>it's different, but I don't know. I'm not buying it.
<v Speaker 3>They're not buying it.
<v Speaker 9>No.
<v Speaker 2>I mean the picture in uh and I'll send it
<v Speaker 2>to you. The picture in Brian Blair's book of them
<v Speaker 2>working together, he does look pretty uh pretty huge.
<v Speaker 3>Well that's Brian Blair though, Brian. I mean, I guess
<v Speaker 3>this guy's short too.
<v Speaker 2>Yea, yeah, yeah, you know, I wasn't saying in propo.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't even saying in proportion to his opponent. I'm
<v Speaker 2>just saying the legs are huge, like the upper body
<v Speaker 2>looks scrawny back then. But I'm not sure if the
<v Speaker 2>whole presentation came off that way to the people. But
<v Speaker 2>I just, I just I find it hard to believe
<v Speaker 2>that a crowd would respond that way if he was
<v Speaker 2>under a hood as super Destroyer and that was something
<v Speaker 2>that that Jerry says. He seems to indicate that they
<v Speaker 2>put him on, you know, put him in there as
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bully in the beginning, and it's like he's so
<v Speaker 2>fucking fullish shit. I just think he's, you know, a
<v Speaker 2>guy who saw so much and like of all the
<v Speaker 2>things he was worried about in nineteen seventy seven, Hulk
<v Speaker 2>Cogan was not among them, and now he's got to
<v Speaker 2>like tell the story about how he saw a lot
<v Speaker 2>in it, you know, And.
<v Speaker 3>That's what made this was so fucking full of shit. Like,
<v Speaker 3>just I didn't I didn't see shit in him instead
<v Speaker 3>of instead of Johnny Valentine. Didn't see anything in him. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I didn't see anything in him. That's the thing. I mean, Listen,
<v Speaker 3>Obviously there is there is a chance that he did,
<v Speaker 3>and it actually was the case, but like the evidence
<v Speaker 3>is not in thatt favor. I do wonder if that is.
<v Speaker 2>The case, why they would turn around then in his
<v Speaker 2>second match with Brian Blair put him through that initiation
<v Speaker 2>ritual where he's being humiliated by being left out there
<v Speaker 2>for fifteen more minutes than he was prepared to do. Right,
<v Speaker 2>if you saw this incredible spark of fan connection with
<v Speaker 2>him that first night against Don Serrano, why the next
<v Speaker 2>order of business was to humiliate him as as quickly
<v Speaker 2>as possible and be able to make fun of him
<v Speaker 2>and be able to have grounds to sort of hold
<v Speaker 2>down his upside, or at least his perceived upside.
<v Speaker 3>I just I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I just I look at Super destroyer from the limited
<v Speaker 2>visual evidence we have, And I just emailed you a
<v Speaker 2>picture of him against Brian Blair in that second match,
<v Speaker 2>and I just knowing wrestling crowds just don't see a
<v Speaker 2>guy that's going to get this kind of wholehearted and
<v Speaker 2>brain that Jerry Briscoe is describing. Yeah, I just don't
<v Speaker 2>see it. And he's a late replacement, so it's not
<v Speaker 2>even like they had this like design of sending him
<v Speaker 2>to the ring and we're watching for any particular signs,
<v Speaker 2>you know. They they they were in a position to
<v Speaker 2>put him in the ring before they were ready to
<v Speaker 2>do so, it appears to me, and he probably did
<v Speaker 2>some clumsy things in that match, and they thought, my god,
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it be funny if we fucked with him in
<v Speaker 2>the second match. That's where I'm coming down on this
<v Speaker 2>whole deal. Yep, yep that I mean that that too.
<v Speaker 2>That adds to it, no question, I think.
<v Speaker 11>So.
<v Speaker 2>Uh So, we're gonna get now to to Hogan's first book,
<v Speaker 2>first book where he describes uh work boy working with
<v Speaker 2>with Brian Blair, and fortunately Brian Blair has written a
<v Speaker 2>terrific book with Ian Douglas where he recounts this, this,
<v Speaker 2>this faith, this fateful Night as well. So let's start here, boss,
<v Speaker 2>if you can yep with this is his first book,
<v Speaker 2>is his second book, at least my cursory glance here,
<v Speaker 2>and I'll look a little more closely. Doesn't doesn't seem
<v Speaker 2>to say a hell of a lot about about his
<v Speaker 2>first match.
<v Speaker 3>He kind of. I wonder if it's because evidence emerged that,
<v Speaker 3>in fact, he had a match before that, but I
<v Speaker 3>don't know. So here we go.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Hulk Cogan's first book, Hollywood Ulk Cogan.
<v Speaker 2>And it's time to go on to match number two,
<v Speaker 2>which as far as I can tell, And as you're
<v Speaker 2>getting ready here, i'll take a look.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the very next night.
<v Speaker 2>So the match with Don Serrano was August ninth, seventy seven,
<v Speaker 2>and the match with Brian Blair was the next night,
<v Speaker 2>August tenth, nineteen seventy seven, Fort Myers, Florida, at the
<v Speaker 2>National Guard Armory. You know, one of those armories that
<v Speaker 2>Briscoe was picturing in his head when he was telling
<v Speaker 2>the story about the match before this, which was actually
<v Speaker 2>at a high.
<v Speaker 3>School and not in an armory. Oh my god, come on, whatever,
<v Speaker 3>here we go? Whatever, all right, I'll first dat. You know,
<v Speaker 3>I worked my ass off and wait a long time
<v Speaker 3>to start wrestling, but I'll figure I'd finally made it.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't not. I thought I'd make as much money
<v Speaker 3>as though as the guys whose files I saw on
<v Speaker 3>the bank, the files. I didn't think anymore that I
<v Speaker 3>was going to become a star or get rich. My
<v Speaker 3>house goal is just to be able to make a
<v Speaker 3>living at it. I thought, if I could pay my
<v Speaker 3>bills by wrestling, that would be one hell of a
<v Speaker 3>goal to attain. Now, that would be actually pretty impressive
<v Speaker 3>if he could actually pay his bills by wrestling. You know,
<v Speaker 3>he wrestles to pay his bills, So if he wins
<v Speaker 3>his bills paid, all right, that's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>That's the reward, not cash. They just pay the bills
<v Speaker 2>for him, right right, for one of many lines of
<v Speaker 2>credit at the.
<v Speaker 3>For my first pro match at the end of nineteen
<v Speaker 3>seventy seven, Eddie Graham put a mask on me and
<v Speaker 3>called me the super Destroyer. You're looking back. I see
<v Speaker 3>he had developed some respect for me and thought it
<v Speaker 3>might be something someday, so he kept me covered up
<v Speaker 3>that way. If I wasn't in a good no, nobody
<v Speaker 3>would know what was me. Eddie Graham surprised me when
<v Speaker 3>he said I'd finally get a chance to wrestle. So
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have any wrestling boots. But Jack Briscoe, who'd
<v Speaker 3>been watching me get my brains beat in for the
<v Speaker 3>last year, my brain's beat in from the last year
<v Speaker 3>right had gone, had gone out and bought me a
<v Speaker 3>pair of new white boots. Of course I had to
<v Speaker 3>die of them black because I was supposed to be
<v Speaker 3>a bad guy.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, he said there were Jack said there were
<v Speaker 2>black boots. Why does this have to be well, he
<v Speaker 2>dyed his boots. What is he trying to do here?
<v Speaker 3>Why do they have to be? Like? Who cares anyway?
<v Speaker 3>Who gives us exactly? Brisco's dead? Idiot? Well, what what's this? Now?
<v Speaker 2>This is this is a Hogan thing of like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what he's He probably knows that there's
<v Speaker 2>visual evidence of him in white boots, so he has
<v Speaker 2>to like pretend that those were his first boots. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man. That's that's the most Hogan detail that
<v Speaker 2>tries me. It absolutely is what what what's it?
<v Speaker 3>Why did you put that in there?
<v Speaker 13>For?
<v Speaker 3>Even if it was true? Because I, well, brother, because
<v Speaker 3>you know these are the you know brother, and we're
<v Speaker 3>talking about I'm just trying to express what I had
<v Speaker 3>to do to get my first get in the room
<v Speaker 3>the first time. So you know that's a thing brother,
<v Speaker 3>I had to It wasn't like I could sit there
<v Speaker 3>and focus brother on, Hey, you know, I gotta wrestle
<v Speaker 3>this guy. Dude, No, I gotta wrestle under a mask.
<v Speaker 3>I gotta you know, I gotta, I gotta. I gotta
<v Speaker 3>die my boots. Now, Brother, die this thing in. I
<v Speaker 3>gonna die this thing in, dude. Absolutely well, Uh, I'll
<v Speaker 3>never forget that. Jack Briscoe bought my first pair of boots.
<v Speaker 3>That first pro match was against an accomplished and a
<v Speaker 3>wate to wrestler named Brian Blair. What Andy Graham didn't
<v Speaker 3>think I could beat this guy, so he decided the
<v Speaker 3>match was going to be a twenty two minute Broadway.
<v Speaker 2>I thought I had a Broadway with sixty minutes. Who's
<v Speaker 2>ever heard of that? Twenty two minute Broadway?
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that? What isn't that? What it is? Isn't that?
<v Speaker 3>What going broadway is a fucking sixty minute match. Going
<v Speaker 3>broadway means you go the time limit. I thought it
<v Speaker 3>was sixty minutes usually.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, the ones that are celebrated were the
<v Speaker 2>sixty minute world title Broadways. But Broadway can mean.
<v Speaker 3>But whatever, stupid anyway, I know, it's just so, it's
<v Speaker 3>so goofy anyway. I don't understand what we're going Broadway.
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand me even the means like a sixty minutes.
<v Speaker 3>So it's like what if a play goes with certain length,
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't end. It's that's what that means. It's like
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, Oh sorry, folks, we uh this
<v Speaker 3>is a yeah, the end of act two. Unfortunately, because
<v Speaker 3>you know what, the play went a little too long tonight,
<v Speaker 3>and uh, union rules dictate we can't go past this
<v Speaker 3>time limit. Yes, so therefore we have gone Broadway. Good night.
<v Speaker 3>You do not get a refund, and you cannot come
<v Speaker 3>back and see the show a second time.
<v Speaker 2>Like the headline the next day of the papers, like
<v Speaker 2>shows go Broadway, Customers furious.
<v Speaker 3>Broadway show goes broad Yeah, well we are on Broadway.
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. Yeah, that that that was supposed to
<v Speaker 3>end in a draw. He told Brian Brian Blair that
<v Speaker 3>all the other wrestlers knew it too, but no one
<v Speaker 3>told me. Well they told me was that I had
<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes to go out there and try to beat
<v Speaker 3>Brian Blair anyway I could. So that's what I did.
<v Speaker 3>All the other wrestlers gathered outside their dressing room doors
<v Speaker 3>for this little preliminary match like it was like it
<v Speaker 3>was the biggest wrestling match in the world, which puzzled
<v Speaker 3>me at the time. Now I see they were having
<v Speaker 3>a laugh at my expense. You know again, this is
<v Speaker 3>all the learned trait of of the paranoia like he is,
<v Speaker 3>and the insecurity. Yep, whole life. Laughed at his whole life.
<v Speaker 3>He's a fucking buffoon, you know. He's just he's he's
<v Speaker 3>he's the jolly orange giant, is what he is. The
<v Speaker 3>butt of the joke, all right, all the fucking time,
<v Speaker 3>all the time. Holy shit. Anyway, I tried. I tried
<v Speaker 3>like I held a pin Brian Blair, and he tried
<v Speaker 3>like hell to stop me. By tom an Over, Well,
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't know that. He's only us to go out
<v Speaker 3>there and pin him. Okay, I thought, Eddi Graham, go
<v Speaker 3>up there. I already told you it was fake and
<v Speaker 3>broke your heart. Oh that was in your second book
<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes to go out there and try to beat
<v Speaker 3>wine Blurn the way I could, dude. I mean, also
<v Speaker 3>think about this too. This is one of my This
<v Speaker 3>is one of the biggest like suspension of disbeliefs that
<v Speaker 3>wrestling has. Who lets their shoulders down for three seconds?
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what I was gonna say in any way
<v Speaker 3>I could. You're not gonna be able to do that
<v Speaker 3>to anybody. Right, He's gonna fucking his arms are gonna
<v Speaker 3>be up all that time. It's gonna look terrible.
<v Speaker 2>The crowd's gonna be hate it. Right, Okay, Now, look
<v Speaker 2>are we discounting this for a real possibility?
<v Speaker 14>Though?
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should just calm ourselves down and be a
<v Speaker 2>little humble for one to not know what all motherfuckers,
<v Speaker 2>and maybe we should just acknowledge it. Maybe this is
<v Speaker 2>what happened. Maybe Eddie Graham told Terry Being to go
<v Speaker 2>out there and do anything he could think to do
<v Speaker 2>to win. Maybe, and what Terry came up with, maybe
<v Speaker 2>he told Maybe he told maybe he told Hogan that
<v Speaker 2>Brian Blair thinks it's real, right, you better go out
<v Speaker 2>there and match it, match his energy.
<v Speaker 3>He's gonna he's gonna go out there and try to
<v Speaker 3>beat the shit out of you. What but I would
<v Speaker 3>I want to posit this an alternative scenario. What if?
<v Speaker 3>What if?
<v Speaker 2>What Terry came up with in response to that was, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>do whatever I think I can to beat him. And
<v Speaker 2>what Terry came up with was, I'm gonna wrap my
<v Speaker 2>my arm around your face with a headlock, and then
<v Speaker 2>you tell me what spot to do, and we just
<v Speaker 2>do spots for twenty two minutes and then we do
<v Speaker 2>a fake finish. Maybe that's what he thought he could do.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he thought that was the fastest way between two
<v Speaker 2>points was was just work it. Well, I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>I can't go twenty two minutes. I'm just gonna do
<v Speaker 2>a headlock for twenty two minutes.
<v Speaker 3>It's that headlock wrestler we talked about. Yeah, beside hadlock
<v Speaker 3>wrestler the greatest, greatest gimmick of all time. Well that
<v Speaker 3>was that was that was the thing up in Portland. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>You know Don Owen, he was the promoter there and
<v Speaker 2>he was the he was the you know, the patriarch,
<v Speaker 2>the big businessman. I'm your sorrio behind Portland Wrestling, and
<v Speaker 2>he had a brother named Elton who was a nut,
<v Speaker 2>and he was obsessed with who could actually beat who
<v Speaker 2>in real fights, And so he'd give these guys money
<v Speaker 2>to go out there and shoot with each other for
<v Speaker 2>the first ten minutes of the match and then transition
<v Speaker 2>into a work and do the plan finish. But he
<v Speaker 2>wanted to see if these two guys actually went.
<v Speaker 3>Hold for a hole.
<v Speaker 11>Ah.
<v Speaker 2>And you know what these wrestlers did, right, What did
<v Speaker 2>they do? They got off to the side and they said, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>instead of actually going out there and shooting for this
<v Speaker 2>guy and getting ourselves hurt, why don't we work it
<v Speaker 2>and split split the money. So that's why to me,
<v Speaker 2>it's feasible that any Graham tells Terry Bulay to go
<v Speaker 2>out there and figure out any way he can to
<v Speaker 2>beat the guy, and the best way he can think
<v Speaker 2>of is to work an entire pro wrestling match.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would imagine that's probably a way to do it.
<v Speaker 2>Is that's in wrestling, it gets fakeused when they think
<v Speaker 2>it's realist. Yes, oh yes, when they're faking it, that's
<v Speaker 2>when they really get hurt.
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it amazing? Yep? Exactly of course, because that's like anyway, uh, anyway,
<v Speaker 3>I tried like held up when Brian Blair, and he
<v Speaker 3>tried like held on to stop to stop me. My
<v Speaker 3>time matches over, we had beaten the crop out of
<v Speaker 3>each other. I hadn't pinned him, but I had some
<v Speaker 3>I had come closer than some people thought I would.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it was quite humorous for the wrestlers who
<v Speaker 3>were watching. But I'd accomplished something. I'd shown the promoter,
<v Speaker 3>Eddie Graham, that I could handle myself in the ring.
<v Speaker 3>I figured that was a good start and I'd be
<v Speaker 3>appearing on the card on a regular basis. But now
<v Speaker 3>that I'd got into the wrestling business, they wouldn't book me.
<v Speaker 3>They'd give me just one not a week Monday Monday
<v Speaker 3>at the Sportatorium, and I got paid with just twenty
<v Speaker 3>five dollars. I kept asking, well, why should you guys
<v Speaker 3>let me wrestle. There's no reason for it, at least
<v Speaker 3>none that I could see. Now I understand the reason.
<v Speaker 3>Mike Graham, the promoter's son, had Here we go, Here
<v Speaker 3>we go. It's Mike Graham's fault again. Mike Graham, the
<v Speaker 3>promoter's son, had gotten into the wrestling business for a
<v Speaker 3>few years before me. He was a star already, and
<v Speaker 3>in high school we hadn't been the best of friends.
<v Speaker 3>So it was like that old high school rivalry that
<v Speaker 3>kept me from wrestling more for Mike's father, Eddie Graham.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, Mike and I are great friends now, but
<v Speaker 3>at the time he didn't want to give me a
<v Speaker 3>chance to outshine him. Oh my god, everything is Mike
<v Speaker 3>Graham's fault. Okay, oh god, everything every sid Mike Graham's fault.
<v Speaker 3>Everything is Hulk Coken being afraid that Mike Graham doesn't
<v Speaker 3>like him his fault. I'm right, even though Mike Graham
<v Speaker 3>pulled him into the van, pulled him into the van,
<v Speaker 3>according to Terry Bolea himself, and said, all right, fine,
<v Speaker 3>you want to be a wrestler, here's what you're gonna do. Bro,
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to be pulled in the van. Whoa dude?
<v Speaker 3>Whoa brother? I mean, brother, it's Tampa, dude. Whoa dude?
<v Speaker 3>Stifling heat? Heard again before? But this is ridiculous. Brother,
<v Speaker 3>We can we reverse the sea dude? Get the ac going.
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to the Solar System member who hit us
<v Speaker 2>on X and reminded us that Mike Graham and shoot
<v Speaker 2>interview formats very much had a pension for saying that
<v Speaker 2>wrestlers never drew a dime.
<v Speaker 3>He never drew a dime. He never threw it. No
<v Speaker 3>one ever drew a dime. Paul Cogan never drew a dime.
<v Speaker 2>Well, his big one was the Radicals, because you know
<v Speaker 2>that was his whole blow up with those guys. Oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, and Chris bin Wan never drew a dime.
<v Speaker 2>And he goes on later to say that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>one of the ways we measured drawing a dime is
<v Speaker 2>he would get the minute by minute ratings when he
<v Speaker 2>was executive at WCW, and he would have stolen patterns
<v Speaker 2>and he would say, these guys would draw dimes because
<v Speaker 2>they drew ratings. Hey, Mike, you want to take a
<v Speaker 2>good look at that first raw when the Radicals came in. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>tell tell you if that's your measuring stick, Tell me
<v Speaker 2>who drew a dime? Okay, the second they left you
<v Speaker 2>who absolutely put up like a record number and set
<v Speaker 2>two thousand off to be the hottest start in the
<v Speaker 2>most profitable year in company history until recently. Tell me
<v Speaker 2>about that, but just tremendous. Never drew a nine.
<v Speaker 3>That's his thing, and that's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>I think to myself, what would Mike Graham know about
<v Speaker 2>never drawing a dime? He may very well be an
<v Speaker 2>expert and not drawing it time.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I want to see how many dimes to
<v Speaker 3>see one ticket he sold?
<v Speaker 2>I want to see the fan who bought a ticket
<v Speaker 2>to see him.
<v Speaker 3>Mike, don't, Mike, don't call me golden.
<v Speaker 2>Graham looked like a s'mores by the time it was over.
<v Speaker 3>Fucking idiot.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's just a guy that's begging to be counterpunched,
<v Speaker 2>you know he is.
<v Speaker 11>He is.
<v Speaker 3>Like a divorced guy at a bar in Orlando. I
<v Speaker 3>mean there is there is no I mean right, substitute
<v Speaker 3>math teacher and hard and hardware store owner, Mike Graham.
<v Speaker 2>He goes to like Cocoa Key and Coco this and
<v Speaker 2>Coco that. You know, everything's like tropical and it's just
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of rednecks, you know, brawl right right, completely
<v Speaker 2>trashed and like wife swapping in like air conditioned, like
<v Speaker 2>single family single bedroom units, one bedroom units, unbelievable.
<v Speaker 3>Saves up every year every year to go to like here.
<v Speaker 3>He is. He lives in where the tampap so every
<v Speaker 3>year he saves up all his money to go to
<v Speaker 3>Saint Pete's Beach. What he's gonna go? This guy a
<v Speaker 3>jet ski. You know, you can go anywhere in the world.
<v Speaker 3>But now he wants to save up that money to
<v Speaker 3>get that fucking you know that rent that property for
<v Speaker 3>a week over at Saint Pete's. He's not an idiot.
<v Speaker 3>He's a very smart guy who just didn't let me
<v Speaker 3>tell you any of these fucking clowns who who fucking
<v Speaker 3>talk about people not drawing a dime crown?
<v Speaker 4>All right?
<v Speaker 3>Like it fuck pisses me off.
<v Speaker 2>Like ten wrestlers that have ever drawn money, like, so
<v Speaker 2>shut up right exactly or three if you're Eric Bischoff.
<v Speaker 3>Everybody else was just.
<v Speaker 2>Thrust into the main event at a time when people
<v Speaker 2>were coming to see the matches because the territory was hot.
<v Speaker 3>Right, It's got nothing to do with the people. It's
<v Speaker 3>gonna do with wrestling itself. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>I mean that makes sense.
<v Speaker 2>Look, of course there are draws. There are people who
<v Speaker 2>sell more tickets to a show than if they weren't
<v Speaker 2>on it would sell. But that list is so short.
<v Speaker 2>To act like that is some kind of per requisite
<v Speaker 2>to be taken seriously in wrestling is to disqualify ninety
<v Speaker 2>nine point eight percent of the people whoever stepp foot
<v Speaker 2>in the ring is being completely valueless, and it's completely ridiculous.
<v Speaker 2>The only reason you draw money, yeah you can, you
<v Speaker 2>can have it in you to draw money, but the
<v Speaker 2>only reason it happens is because a promoter lets you
<v Speaker 2>draw money. Right, as evidenced by this whole thing about
<v Speaker 2>how Terry Boleya had that early spark yet within a
<v Speaker 2>year is we're about to talk about, he wants to
<v Speaker 2>quit the business because that's how that's how much they
<v Speaker 2>see his ability to draw money. You know, Mike Graham
<v Speaker 2>is not too far from the center of power. At
<v Speaker 2>this particular point in time. They had Hulk fucking Hogan
<v Speaker 2>developing under their nose, and he basically wants to quit
<v Speaker 2>the business eight months after they get their hands on him.
<v Speaker 2>So who knows what about drawing a dime? Who knows
<v Speaker 2>what about being able to detect the ability to draw
<v Speaker 2>a dime in the rough?
<v Speaker 3>Mike Graham, thank you, that was my conclusion. He knows,
<v Speaker 3>and so does Ollie Anderson.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, as ever, rest in peace. Sure does Hogan
<v Speaker 2>have more to say? About this shoot match with Brian Blair.
<v Speaker 3>Does he No, that's that's it. That's it from here
<v Speaker 3>for you. He doesn't shoot a low inside single or
<v Speaker 3>anything like that. He doesn't try a cement mixer. I'd say,
<v Speaker 3>I'd say the low inside single. Just that Mike. Mike
<v Speaker 3>and I are great friends. Now.
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that's important to note is that
<v Speaker 2>Bob rup who of course was a long time shooter
<v Speaker 2>in Florida and was a guy that you would sort
<v Speaker 2>of send in to be tortured, he was on that
<v Speaker 2>short list. He should have been on that short list
<v Speaker 2>of guys I was delineating before who were really Florida mainstays.
<v Speaker 2>Although he did work in a lot of different territories.
<v Speaker 2>He would be a guy that would stretch people out
<v Speaker 2>that thought they were hot shit and didn't take wrestling
<v Speaker 2>seriously enough and thought it was simple to get into
<v Speaker 2>the business. But at a certain point, Brian Blair, who
<v Speaker 2>was an amateur high school and I think even in
<v Speaker 2>college and was a football player and stuff, originally from Gary, Indiana.
<v Speaker 2>Was Brian Blair not a native Tampon, but he came
<v Speaker 2>there as a boy. He had the chops to be
<v Speaker 2>another one of those policemen in the sportatorium and stretch
<v Speaker 2>people who didn't show appropriate respect to the business. So
<v Speaker 2>that's what Brian Blair was up to at the time
<v Speaker 2>Terry Boleya was breaking in. Now that's not to say
<v Speaker 2>that Brian Blair stretched Terry Boleya in the sportatorium.
<v Speaker 3>That isn't quite.
<v Speaker 2>Terry had advanced enough to where Brian Blair wasn't asked
<v Speaker 2>to do that visa VI Terry Boleya, but he was
<v Speaker 2>in a bit more of a respected position with the office,
<v Speaker 2>was Brian Blair at this point than Blaya was. They're
<v Speaker 2>matched up against each other, and here is how he
<v Speaker 2>remembers it playing out.
<v Speaker 3>This again is from his.
<v Speaker 2>Book Truth Be Told, which I would highly recommend. I
<v Speaker 2>officially started in the business about six weeks before Terry
<v Speaker 2>Boleya was cleared to wrestle. Well, they put him under
<v Speaker 2>a hood as a masked wrestler known as Super Destroyer.
<v Speaker 2>Eddie decreed that Chiefland now Chiefland, Florida, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>is the city where Brian Blair and Terry Bullaya had
<v Speaker 2>this first match in August tenth, nineteen seventy seven. So
<v Speaker 2>whenever they talk about Chiefland, Whenever Brian Blair talks about
<v Speaker 2>Chiefland is shorthand he's talking about this match. Chiefland would
<v Speaker 2>be the ideal place for Terry to face me in
<v Speaker 2>August in his first series match. Up until then, he'd
<v Speaker 2>worked in a match with Hero Matsuda. Now, what's this about?
<v Speaker 15>What?
<v Speaker 2>I don't see any evidence of this Hulk Cogan wrestling
<v Speaker 2>Hero Matsuda before the people. I see no that means
<v Speaker 2>of that. That was about five minutes long. But this
<v Speaker 2>was going to be his first true test as a
<v Speaker 2>pro wrestler.
<v Speaker 3>Terry and I are fuck is he? Where did these
<v Speaker 3>people come up with their story? I don't know, man.
<v Speaker 3>I think this is like him.
<v Speaker 2>Knowing that after he talked for a while about having
<v Speaker 2>had Terry Bulay's first match, and after Hulk Cogan says
<v Speaker 2>as much in his first book, corrected after the fact,
<v Speaker 2>but never bothering to remember it's Don Serrano, and then
<v Speaker 2>we're counting it for this book, saying, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>do want to tell this whole story that I've told
<v Speaker 2>for years and years about how I was Terry's first match,
<v Speaker 2>but I do have to acknowledge that people say there
<v Speaker 2>was another one. I'll just say it was Hiro Matsuda
<v Speaker 2>he wrestled, you know, or at least maybe that's how
<v Speaker 2>he remembered it, but it wasn't. He was on the
<v Speaker 2>card on that Super Destroyer Don Surroundo match. We've established that,
<v Speaker 2>so this was cool. But this was going to be
<v Speaker 2>Brian blair Wright's his first true test as a pro wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>Terry and I were notified that we would be working
<v Speaker 2>together two days ahead of time, and we prepared some
<v Speaker 2>high spots together in the ring prior to the match.
<v Speaker 2>Rehearsals were rare back then, but since we were both
<v Speaker 2>extremely green, we thought it was best to prepare together
<v Speaker 2>for our fifteen minute broadway. I was really nervous since
<v Speaker 2>I was the veteran in the ring after only six
<v Speaker 2>weeks of experience on the road. Terry was also sweating
<v Speaker 2>nervous bullets backstage. You don't say, Ryan, brother, I'm a
<v Speaker 2>fucking wreck Dudel brother can come here, dude, I'm a
<v Speaker 2>wreck Ednie Graham just said I have to go out
<v Speaker 2>there and find.
<v Speaker 3>A way to beat you. Dude, Are you gonna beat me?
<v Speaker 3>Why did he say? Mighty say that? Brother? Brother? How
<v Speaker 3>are you gonna beat? Are you rolling me up?
<v Speaker 4>Brother.
<v Speaker 3>What uh huh? What's a roll up? Brother? Are you
<v Speaker 3>gonna I don't understand.
<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna post Are you gonna post your gelbone
<v Speaker 2>my ankle and pull back on my toe?
<v Speaker 4>Are you?
<v Speaker 3>Brother? Are you gonna mass suit on my leg? Are
<v Speaker 3>you gonna do it again? I heard you saying I
<v Speaker 3>wrestled Matt Suda. Wrestle mat suit? Brother? Why are you
<v Speaker 3>going around telling people I wrestled mansuita Are you trying
<v Speaker 3>to lay the groundwork for a Matt Suda on hul Hogan?
<v Speaker 3>Are you saying that's who's gonna super run in? Is
<v Speaker 3>he gonna run in? Brother? Super destroyer? Break the legna
<v Speaker 3>super destroy my shin bone? Brother, brother, I've already I've
<v Speaker 3>already broken it fifty times.
<v Speaker 2>Because matts Suit the last episode was called Matt Suda,
<v Speaker 2>maybe we should call this one Matt Suit to Push.
<v Speaker 2>That is the biggest question coming away from all this research.
<v Speaker 2>Where is that Matt Suita push?
<v Speaker 3>But since we were.
<v Speaker 2>Both extremely green, we both thought it was best to
<v Speaker 2>prepare together for our fifteen minute Broadway Terry was sweating
<v Speaker 2>nervous bullets backstage and the building hadn't even opened yet.
<v Speaker 2>After both of us climbed into the ring and faced off.
<v Speaker 2>The referee gave us our official instructions while the announcer
<v Speaker 2>made the call one fall fifteen minute time limit. Our
<v Speaker 2>actual match got off to a decent enough start. For
<v Speaker 2>the first five minutes. We engaged in some chain wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>From there we transitioned into.
<v Speaker 3>You can hear it, can't you? Yes?
<v Speaker 11>I can?
<v Speaker 3>Terry Bullay awkward sound oh go good Man.
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling, US Wrestling, USSA Wrestle Rock Rumble, rough stuff, Mattchivon
<v Speaker 2>is Holgan's.
<v Speaker 3>Saunas That sounds like a wrestler's name. How do we
<v Speaker 3>know it isn't It? Probably is.
<v Speaker 2>Raha, Raja Mildred broke my young Russell.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so look if this, if these things don't survive
<v Speaker 3>on film, this is the best we can do to
<v Speaker 3>take you there and put you under that hot lamp. Headlock, dude, tackle,
<v Speaker 3>get it again, brother, he's coming over the top.
<v Speaker 16>They're doing standard spots. They're tackle dropped out, hit the ropes,
<v Speaker 16>over the top, block the head tops, double squeeze the wrist,
<v Speaker 16>give it the iggy.
<v Speaker 2>Hogan hip toss blocked Blair. Blair needs him in the
<v Speaker 2>stomach doubling over Hogan. Blair puts his leg but over
<v Speaker 2>Hogan's your head back.
<v Speaker 3>Flips like going hard and get it again, charges into
<v Speaker 3>a clothes line, dropping him. Hogan kills him with a
<v Speaker 3>clothes line. Player cells. Blair cells by shaking his head. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>this is what I picture to by the way, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>this is the kind of match that I picture, like
<v Speaker 3>like in Riky Doze in Okay. Yeah, remember like when
<v Speaker 3>they have those like they show them wrestling, it's just
<v Speaker 3>like non stop, like you know, like it's just these
<v Speaker 3>these moves after move to move after moving like there's
<v Speaker 3>no there's no real rhythm to it. It's like a
<v Speaker 3>movie action scene. It's just move for for it's moved
<v Speaker 3>for move's sake, you know. And and and like they
<v Speaker 3>just do off the rope down and like they keep
<v Speaker 3>trading blows, like they trade maneuvers and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 3>That's that's what I picture, Just this weird non stopped
<v Speaker 3>chain grappling, you know, fifty to fifty thing going on. Dude,
<v Speaker 3>going back and forth. Love it so much. Colin spots
<v Speaker 3>as loud as they can.
<v Speaker 2>Oh from there, we okay, yeah, we transitioned from the
<v Speaker 2>chain wrestling into some strong man stuff to get over
<v Speaker 2>Terry's size and strength with the audience. After about eight
<v Speaker 2>minutes had elapsed, we knew it was time for Terry
<v Speaker 2>to start drawing as much heat from the crowd as
<v Speaker 2>he could. As I held Terry in a rear chinlock
<v Speaker 2>and waited for him to rise to his feet and
<v Speaker 2>overpower me, I heard him whisper, Brian, look, we're having
<v Speaker 2>a heck of a match.
<v Speaker 3>All the Oh my god, he did not fucking say that.
<v Speaker 3>All the boys are watching. That's what he's sweating bullets.
<v Speaker 3>We're having a heck of a match. I will say.
<v Speaker 2>This is recorded as Brian Blair versus Terry Bulea, so
<v Speaker 2>this is not him under the hood. He would go
<v Speaker 2>back under the hood after they wrestled twice here. So
<v Speaker 2>we are the neck of a match. All the boys
<v Speaker 2>are watching. I glanced upward, and I was surprised to
<v Speaker 2>see that Terry was right. Sure enough, the locker room
<v Speaker 2>had completely emptied out, and all the boys were standing
<v Speaker 2>in the entranceway and admiring our match. I took it
<v Speaker 2>as a reassuring sign. In that brief moment, I felt
<v Speaker 2>pretty awesome. Let's do it. Right, brother, I whispered back
<v Speaker 2>to Terry. Terry started getting the heat on me with
<v Speaker 2>some punches and other illegal Let's let's do it right, brother.
<v Speaker 2>And what were you doing up to this point? Doing
<v Speaker 2>it wrong?
<v Speaker 3>What do it right? You say about what I've been
<v Speaker 3>doing so far? I follows doing a good job. Are
<v Speaker 3>you going to get behind me? I know the crowds,
<v Speaker 3>the crowds behind me, but why are you behind me? Exactly?
<v Speaker 3>If I already have the crowd behind me, why are
<v Speaker 3>you behind me? I don't understand. Is everyone's behind Terry bowlea?
<v Speaker 3>Is that kind of where we're going here? That's been
<v Speaker 3>that was the biggest problem a whole whole life. Everyone
<v Speaker 3>is always behind him. See exactly. It's not a good thing.
<v Speaker 3>That's it.
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it right, brother, I whispered back to Terry.
<v Speaker 2>Terry started getting the heat on me with some punches
<v Speaker 2>and other illegal moves before securing a hold on me. Finally,
<v Speaker 2>the referee informed us that ten minutes of the match
<v Speaker 2>time had gone by. We were two thirds of the
<v Speaker 2>way done. We continued with our match, but the referee
<v Speaker 2>stopped giving us any sort of minute by minute time cues.
<v Speaker 2>That's when I began timing things out in my head
<v Speaker 2>and figuring out what else we needed to squeeze into
<v Speaker 2>the match before the full fifteen minute time limit expired.
<v Speaker 2>That's when I became somewhat frantic, realizing that we probably
<v Speaker 2>only had two minutes remaining in our bout before it
<v Speaker 2>was over with. Terry went on to hit me with
<v Speaker 2>a shoulder thrust into the corner, but I ducked out
<v Speaker 2>of the way and began to unload on him. I
<v Speaker 2>bombarded Terry with punches, then bounced off the ropes and
<v Speaker 2>threw dropkicks at him. Terry sold everything as hard as
<v Speaker 2>he possibly could. Neither one of us wanted to look
<v Speaker 2>like we weren't putting all of our effort into making
<v Speaker 2>the match look good, because all the boys were standing
<v Speaker 2>directly outside the ring and scrutinizing every move we made.
<v Speaker 2>Once the exertion had gotten me as blown up as
<v Speaker 2>I could possibly be. And by the way, he says
<v Speaker 2>he wrestled Terry Bullat and it says Terry Boley, But
<v Speaker 2>you look at the pictures. He has a book and
<v Speaker 2>it's Terry under a mask. So you tell me which
<v Speaker 2>is which. Once the exertion had gotten me as blown
<v Speaker 2>up as I could possibly be, and I could see
<v Speaker 2>that Terry had also been gassed into immobility. I secured
<v Speaker 2>a sleeper hold on him for the second time during
<v Speaker 2>the match. Admittedly, I put the sleeper on Terry for
<v Speaker 2>the second time because I didn't know of any other
<v Speaker 2>moves that would allow me to convincingly stall the match.
<v Speaker 2>Until the bell rang, both of us sat there in
<v Speaker 2>the center of the ring, sweating profusely, exhausted to a
<v Speaker 2>point nearing death, and waiting for the bell to ring
<v Speaker 2>and signal the time limit draw. Fifteen minutes gone. Came
<v Speaker 2>the announcement from the timekeeper, fifteen minutes.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my God, to go, ha ha ha.
<v Speaker 2>My eyes visibly widened in disbelief, and I immediately swung
<v Speaker 2>my head over to look toward the boys. Everyone was
<v Speaker 2>laughing hysterically at Morocco's behest. The Briscoes had changed the
<v Speaker 2>length of the match without smartening up Terry and I,
<v Speaker 2>and as a result, the match went from being a
<v Speaker 2>fantastic early career match between two green wrestlers to being
<v Speaker 2>what was probably one of the worst matches of all time.
<v Speaker 2>We rolled around like two bleached beached whales trying to
<v Speaker 2>apply rest holes to one another until we got our
<v Speaker 2>wind back. From there, we had to try to recreate
<v Speaker 2>some tension in the match, even though we'd already used
<v Speaker 2>every move we knew how to perform safely.
<v Speaker 3>It was awful.
<v Speaker 2>In those days, the fans were polite enough not to
<v Speaker 2>start calling everything boring, but the second half of the
<v Speaker 2>bout was definitely boring. The boys thought it was the
<v Speaker 2>funniest thing that ever happened, especially Don Morocco on.
<v Speaker 3>The way back of all fucking people, Don Morocco.
<v Speaker 2>Idiot, absolutely so, nice guys is one thing, right that
<v Speaker 2>that's one thing we have to take away from this.
<v Speaker 3>Nice guys.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and putting these guys in this position is hilarious
<v Speaker 2>and that's what it was like. And Blair would be
<v Speaker 2>the butt of a lot of ribs. So I feel
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the stuff wasn't standard initiation, but
<v Speaker 2>just to be funny to fuck with Brian Blair in particular,
<v Speaker 2>and I think Terry Bulay found himself in that category
<v Speaker 2>as well early in his career. Briscoe would later say
<v Speaker 2>of this whole thing, you know, I'm not gonna apologize
<v Speaker 2>because that was the funniest thing I've ever seen you
<v Speaker 2>guys do that whole thing, So he doesn't run away
<v Speaker 2>from the idea that it was done strictly for the
<v Speaker 2>amusement of the locker room and people there at the show,
<v Speaker 2>which again was not being filmed for television, was only
<v Speaker 2>there before a relatively small crowd and a small market
<v Speaker 2>like Chiefland, Florida, So you can see how that would
<v Speaker 2>create the conditions for a good time. Fun to know
<v Speaker 2>that Don the Rock Morocco was there as well. I
<v Speaker 2>really like, yeah, I really like picturing that in my head.
<v Speaker 2>But that's the story of the Brian Blair match. And
<v Speaker 2>so after this is played out, they rematch each other
<v Speaker 2>and Terry goes back under the hood is Super Destroyer,
<v Speaker 2>although again these matches in Brian Blair's book have him
<v Speaker 2>under the hood. So I don't know why those results
<v Speaker 2>showed Terry Bulaa wrestling as Terry Boleya instead of Super Destroyer.
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's never to be sussed out, right, Brisco,
<v Speaker 2>you know, at least now is saying he kept offering
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bullay bookings, because Boleia goes on to complain in
<v Speaker 2>his books about how the bookings were few and far between.
<v Speaker 2>We read from You Last Time. The passage from Dusty
<v Speaker 2>Rhodes's book where he basically gloats that Terry Bullaya never
<v Speaker 2>wrestled the big show at the Fort Hesterley Armory in Tampa,
<v Speaker 2>the big venue for Florida Championship Wrestling. He's rubbing that
<v Speaker 2>in Hogan's face. And you look through the results of
<v Speaker 2>this first you know pass in the business, and he
<v Speaker 2>did never work the Hesterly, which is where you really
<v Speaker 2>go when they consider you a serious player. And so
<v Speaker 2>you know, Terry, it's like, I'm not getting any bookings.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not making any money. You're starving me out.
<v Speaker 2>You're just having fucking fun with me. You know, after
<v Speaker 2>all I've been through to get into this business, I'm
<v Speaker 2>still you know, he went through all that with Matsuda,
<v Speaker 2>he went through all that extra training, he went through
<v Speaker 2>all that extra earning respect, and then they do this
<v Speaker 2>with him and then with Brian Blair. You know, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>come on, well, how would you interpret it? You know,
<v Speaker 2>they love me in this business and see all kinds
<v Speaker 2>of upside in me. No, I wouldn't see that at all.
<v Speaker 2>And so Briscoe has the story that the reason Beliah
<v Speaker 2>wasn't getting a lot of bookings on the circuit, or
<v Speaker 2>at least as much as he would need to string
<v Speaker 2>together a living was because you know, Ruth just wasn't
<v Speaker 2>passing on the message.
<v Speaker 7>Terry got booked, and then a funny story on that.
<v Speaker 7>I would call Terry was living at home with his
<v Speaker 7>parents at the time. I would call his house because
<v Speaker 7>cell phones were were a million years away at that time.
<v Speaker 7>I call his house. Hey, mister Blay Jerry Briscoe, here
<v Speaker 7>is the Florida Championship, right, Hey, we got Terry booked
<v Speaker 7>on the date, set and set and make sure he's there,
<v Speaker 7>make sure he gets some message.
<v Speaker 4>She would not give him the bookings.
<v Speaker 3>His mom.
<v Speaker 7>His mom, she didn't want him being in the ring
<v Speaker 7>and getting beat up. You know, that was hurt because
<v Speaker 7>they were fan, you know, and miss and missus Bay
<v Speaker 7>came all the matches too, okay, and they were fan though.
<v Speaker 7>She didn't want to want her boy getting beat up,
<v Speaker 7>want her him in the business.
<v Speaker 4>Okay. So so so Ruth Bulea is not letting him
<v Speaker 4>know about the message. She's not letting him know. And
<v Speaker 4>now Terry's starting to get really upset with the office
<v Speaker 4>and with me for not booking anymore, did he give
<v Speaker 4>you a call or no?
<v Speaker 7>I just found that out through Teresa that that little
<v Speaker 7>girl that was the bunlaid that was live next door
<v Speaker 7>to Terry.
<v Speaker 4>Please.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so here's the deal. So we we call and
<v Speaker 7>Johnny Valentine was the head booker at the time. Johnny
<v Speaker 7>had just come off that airplane crash and Eddie felt
<v Speaker 7>sorry for him, so Eddie gave him a job as
<v Speaker 7>a booker. Well, Johnny could not travel, Johnny because of
<v Speaker 7>his capacity of his legs from the airplane crash up
<v Speaker 7>to Carolinas. So Johnny couldn't travel. So I made all
<v Speaker 7>the shows, so I come back, of course give a report.
<v Speaker 7>He didn't give a crap about the first two matchs
<v Speaker 7>and all he wanted to know is and made event
<v Speaker 7>went well and we got in, We got accomplished once
<v Speaker 7>told the story for the next week at all Johnny,
<v Speaker 7>Johnny didn't really care about it Olco and who the
<v Speaker 7>jobs were, and Johnny had only seen him more so,
<v Speaker 7>Johnny was a big, strong, strapping guy too, and he
<v Speaker 7>had worked with a bunchet.
<v Speaker 4>It really didn't really didn't make a difference to Johnny
<v Speaker 4>on on the sign.
<v Speaker 7>Plus Johnny wasn't a financial had a financial sake and
<v Speaker 7>in the office there, so he really did give a
<v Speaker 7>crap about it and how he got to read and
<v Speaker 7>he probably got let let go.
<v Speaker 4>But so anyway, how did you get it?
<v Speaker 7>Really upset about not getting booking? And I said, Terry,
<v Speaker 7>I'm calling your house and I'm giving you booking. Mother,
<v Speaker 7>and I don't know where this conversation probably had a show,
<v Speaker 7>and you know that he finally got got word that
<v Speaker 7>he was supposed to be at and he said, well,
<v Speaker 7>my mom's not telling me any of this. I said, Terry,
<v Speaker 7>I swear I'm calling. I'm booking you every little spot show.
<v Speaker 7>You've basically been booked every Thursday and Friday and Saturday. Yeah,
<v Speaker 7>since you since your first match. And so he said,
<v Speaker 7>I'm not getting So that's what he said.
<v Speaker 4>Call Teresa. She lives right next door to me. She'll
<v Speaker 4>give them to me.
<v Speaker 7>She'll take me to the Then, so I started calling Teresa,
<v Speaker 7>and Teresa Terry booked.
<v Speaker 4>It's on sold day, it's on. So that's how he
<v Speaker 4>was getting.
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<v Speaker 3>Jpisarro Seriously, Terrenson, Teresa, Terry and Terry.
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember Teresa who he's talking about?
<v Speaker 3>Did that sync in with you?
<v Speaker 14>No?
<v Speaker 3>Okay?
<v Speaker 2>So Teresa was this woman who worked at the Other Place,
<v Speaker 2>the bar club, where Terry was playing as Ruckus, when
<v Speaker 2>the Briscoes first saw him and they knew her, and
<v Speaker 2>they said, who's that guy? And she told them, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that's true. He's a huge wrestling fan, you know. And
<v Speaker 2>she was the one that facilitated According to Jerry's version
<v Speaker 2>of the story, the Briscoe is going backstage at the
<v Speaker 2>Other Place and meeting with Terry Bley and talking to
<v Speaker 2>him for the first time about his interest in getting
<v Speaker 2>into the wrestling business. So she's like this almost this
<v Speaker 2>whisperer between the two. Briscoe also said she was the
<v Speaker 2>one remembered his version where after Metsuda broke Hogan's leg,
<v Speaker 2>he had somebody out there that drove him to the hospital,
<v Speaker 2>not that he drove his own his own van, which
<v Speaker 2>is his version of the story. It was her, according
<v Speaker 2>to what he said, Tales from the Territories, that was
<v Speaker 2>out there ready to give Hogan a lift and help out.
<v Speaker 2>He even speculated that maybe even ed Leslie was there,
<v Speaker 2>which I highly doubt because, as we'll establish in episodes
<v Speaker 2>to come, Hogan, well he knew ed Leslie in high
<v Speaker 2>school and going to the matches and stuff, hadn't really
<v Speaker 2>re established a connection with him, and they hadn't really
<v Speaker 2>become friends to the end quite yet. So this is
<v Speaker 2>this important intermediary who apparently lived near Terry Bole and
<v Speaker 2>was you could get messages to Terry that way. I
<v Speaker 2>thought he was living in a hotel. So I don't
<v Speaker 2>know why Jerry has to call Ruth to get a
<v Speaker 2>message to Terry. If you can't just call the hotel room.
<v Speaker 2>I tell you, you can call here if you want,
<v Speaker 2>but I'm not gonna give him message. You can go
<v Speaker 2>anything you want, but I'm not going to give into
<v Speaker 2>Goddamn Why is that Ruth. I'm not as got fucking secretary. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, And he ain't Kenny.
<v Speaker 6>Oh Ship, you just said that.
<v Speaker 3>If Kenny, I'd give him every message you said but
<v Speaker 3>he ain't not Kenny, So mister you go fuck yourself.
<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hi, there's Jerry Briskoll from Florida tramp que excuse me,
<v Speaker 2>Who's this is just a bowl layer residence. Yeah, just
<v Speaker 2>the fucking bowl fucking Okay, here we go. Yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is the fucking of Malay of residence that New England
<v Speaker 2>Irish is coming back, isn't it?
<v Speaker 3>What? Who the fuck is this? Huh oh?
<v Speaker 2>Gerald Writsko from Florida Champs Ship Wrestling. Call in the
<v Speaker 2>book Terry for another series of spot shows we got
<v Speaker 2>going on and chief no beach, Nope, nope, no, how
<v Speaker 2>do you mean no, ma'am? I just want to take
<v Speaker 2>your meaning I'm saying not going to happen. If you're
<v Speaker 2>asking me to be his secretary, I'm not gonna happen.
<v Speaker 2>So don't don't ask me these questions. Don't don't ask
<v Speaker 2>me to do something that I'm not going to do.
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine the request? Don't ask me second I'm
<v Speaker 3>not going to do? Like how does he know you're
<v Speaker 3>not going to do it?
<v Speaker 1>Like?
<v Speaker 3>How is that a reasonable ask?
<v Speaker 9>You know?
<v Speaker 3>Like you know full well this guy, as far as
<v Speaker 3>he knows, the messages have been getting through. Listen you can.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how many times you've called, but I
<v Speaker 3>have not given my son a message at all from you.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who you are, I don't know where
<v Speaker 3>you been.
<v Speaker 2>And I hope in that way you get the message,
<v Speaker 2>mister Briscoe, because Terry certainly is not going to get
<v Speaker 2>the message. I can guarantee you.
<v Speaker 3>That there's one thing, There's one thing I can promise
<v Speaker 3>you right now, mister Briscoe, is that my son is
<v Speaker 3>not going to get the message from me.
<v Speaker 9>That.
<v Speaker 2>Why was that, ma'am? If you were mom asking h
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, are you trying to get your head up
<v Speaker 2>my dress? Excuse me, madam? No, I have no such intention.
<v Speaker 3>Then why well, I'm trying to really get in touch
<v Speaker 3>with your son. Tell you what, I don't give a
<v Speaker 3>shit who you're trying to touch. You. Don't call here
<v Speaker 3>no more about Terry Bowlia or I'll fucking come down
<v Speaker 3>there and crank your neck. She picked up a few
<v Speaker 3>things from all Terry, didn't you. I'll come down there
<v Speaker 3>and crank your neck. Is that what she said? That's
<v Speaker 3>want to be clear? Is that what you said?
<v Speaker 16>You said.
<v Speaker 3>I've seen you before or I've seen your kind. You
<v Speaker 3>don't understand the chance I'm gonna bust you up. And
<v Speaker 3>I'm not your fucking messenger. That's a Jim Ross sty
<v Speaker 3>How does okay?
<v Speaker 2>How does Ruth Bulla shout get out to Jerry Briscoe
<v Speaker 2>and his attempts to book Terry on the circuit in Florida?
<v Speaker 2>How does it sound when she the mild mannered Ruth Blea,
<v Speaker 2>she of the How does she say, get out?
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead? So he's on the he's on the phone,
<v Speaker 3>he's not even there in person. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe can't we send somebody down there to talk to him?
<v Speaker 2>I really would like to Am I your keeper? Am
<v Speaker 2>I your keeper? Do I fucking have to come down
<v Speaker 2>there and tell you what you know? I don't give
<v Speaker 2>a shit what you do. Go ahead, fucking find him.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sick of you call my house. It's not real, Jerry.
<v Speaker 3>What you do is fake, and you're trying to bring
<v Speaker 3>myself into a fake world. Wow, the real world had enough? Yes,
<v Speaker 3>I won't have it. I'll read the newspaper. I know
<v Speaker 3>it's fake, sir.
<v Speaker 2>Someone we could send down there to really, you know,
<v Speaker 2>sit down with these folks and explain to them that
<v Speaker 2>that Terry's got a lot of potential in this business. Yeah, well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Jerry, I know one person that they'll open
<v Speaker 2>their door to, and that's gene Oakerland. And cameras were rolling,
<v Speaker 2>and it eventually aired as part of the nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 2>one WWF Hot Ticket Hulk Hogan Special. Here's gene Oakerland
<v Speaker 2>visiting the Balayis.
<v Speaker 17>It was on the streets this very humble residential neighborhood
<v Speaker 17>that the man played as a child. As a matter
<v Speaker 17>of fact, in this two bedroom home, it's where he
<v Speaker 17>was born and raised. For the next ninety minutes, you're
<v Speaker 17>going to get to see the other side of the
<v Speaker 17>man and all again. Everyone, I'm Gene Oakland for the
<v Speaker 17>World Wrestling Federation and this is Hull Cogan, a real
<v Speaker 17>American story.
<v Speaker 1>Hey now, wow, why smarks present hot.
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what her It's like five dollars
<v Speaker 3>take reviews. They came out. Look, he only did a
<v Speaker 3>couple of them. Shout out to the homie Matt for
<v Speaker 3>digging this one up. It's the only other piece of
<v Speaker 3>Ruth and Pete lore that ever was put on a
<v Speaker 3>wrestling dais heavily underplayed heavily underremembered him. He's the rest
<v Speaker 3>to shore when we get there. In the chronology of
<v Speaker 3>came out of Soli Benedity Woman.
<v Speaker 9>There Rock three.
<v Speaker 17>This is the home of Pete and Ruth, the parents
<v Speaker 17>for Hulk Hogan. I've known these folks for years. They've
<v Speaker 17>always been very hospitable. I'd like to take a look
<v Speaker 17>at the at the Hulk's room. Okay, there's got to
<v Speaker 17>be some great memorabilion there. Probably you could take me back.
<v Speaker 17>I know I've seen some of those pictures in the past. Well,
<v Speaker 17>I've got to see this.
<v Speaker 1>You got to see this is what.
<v Speaker 9>And whoa he had to outgrow that, Yes he did.
<v Speaker 10>He outgrew it and by the time he was in
<v Speaker 10>junior high it put mattress on the floor, sleep on
<v Speaker 10>the floor.
<v Speaker 6>What what did he do in this room? I can
<v Speaker 6>get kind of a feel for it.
<v Speaker 9>But what how did he spend his hours?
<v Speaker 10>He had a lot of studying, A lot of straight
<v Speaker 10>A students, did a lot of studying.
<v Speaker 6>What about that guitar?
<v Speaker 9>I know he he used to play his music.
<v Speaker 10>In here, and he'd write music and then I would
<v Speaker 10>play the organ for him.
<v Speaker 9>Sometimes we do with the two of you get together
<v Speaker 9>and sometimes and jam they say, ruth.
<v Speaker 10>But when he was young, but when he was real little,
<v Speaker 10>I used to play for him and playing to sleep terrific.
<v Speaker 17>Some of the memorabilia here, including the great photos. There's
<v Speaker 17>a picture of him with this. I believe this is
<v Speaker 17>his grandmother.
<v Speaker 9>Yes, she was ninety years old. Wow, she just passed away.
<v Speaker 4>Short.
<v Speaker 9>And here's a shot of Hulk is seven years old.
<v Speaker 6>Goodness six.
<v Speaker 9>I didn't even want to ask how much he weighed
<v Speaker 9>A plenty.
<v Speaker 6>I can imagine.
<v Speaker 9>Hey, there's a picture of you and Pete with Hulk.
<v Speaker 9>Where is he in the kitchen? Yeah?
<v Speaker 17>Great, We've spent some memorable moments in this kitchen together,
<v Speaker 17>and of course a lot of the conversation that we
<v Speaker 17>had set it around your son, Hulk COVID. Now, Hulk
<v Speaker 17>made a promise to you one time, I think it
<v Speaker 17>was right out here in the backyard, that one day
<v Speaker 17>he would be the World Wrestling Federation Champion.
<v Speaker 6>Did he not?
<v Speaker 13>Yes?
<v Speaker 14>How he had training this morning with Hero Matt Shooter,
<v Speaker 14>the Japanese teacher. Oh my god, he finished, came home
<v Speaker 14>and he was jumping out in the backyard and of
<v Speaker 14>course got number fourteen feet tore up what grass I had.
<v Speaker 14>It was tying it up. So I asked the Hulk
<v Speaker 14>if he would come out in my asphalt driving gentlemen.
<v Speaker 14>I told him I would gladly tap it up. He said, okay, Dad,
<v Speaker 14>I'll do that. So when he finished jumping, he came
<v Speaker 14>in and sat down. He made himself a.
<v Speaker 6>Big sandwich, big sandwich.
<v Speaker 14>He was eating the sandwich. I sat there beside him.
<v Speaker 14>I wasn't eating, And all of a sudden the Hulk
<v Speaker 14>began to psych himself up, and I said, help, what
<v Speaker 14>is wrong with you? And he said, Dad, I'm going
<v Speaker 14>to be the heavyweight wrestling champagne of the world.
<v Speaker 6>He said, Geene, and he fulfilled it. He has full feet.
<v Speaker 17>Actually made that promise, and of course obviously he fulfilled it.
<v Speaker 6>That's correct. You recall that root, Yes I do.
<v Speaker 10>I told you many times if we got two of
<v Speaker 10>the suns, I said, what was August Elata fifty three?
<v Speaker 9>A star was born? And he's always had a little
<v Speaker 9>star on his He.
<v Speaker 3>Was born a little star on more back of his hand.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how true.
<v Speaker 17>And he and Joy, how did you perceive this youngster
<v Speaker 17>hull Cogan when he grew up in this house.
<v Speaker 6>What was he like as a child, Well, I'll tell
<v Speaker 6>you the Hawk he was.
<v Speaker 14>I'm his father. Oh my god, he just always seemed
<v Speaker 14>to be nice. I never laid a hand on him,
<v Speaker 14>and one you were just wonderful even when he was
<v Speaker 14>on the Hawk was so large, and at twelve years old.
<v Speaker 6>He covid was he at twelve?
<v Speaker 14>Well he was six one of so many way one
<v Speaker 14>hundred and ninety two at twelve years old. Twelve years old,
<v Speaker 14>and he never he was always gentlely and never pushed
<v Speaker 14>the little fellows around, had beautiful control, never hit him.
<v Speaker 6>They were scared, of course. Yeah.
<v Speaker 17>Now I know that he was very active in sports.
<v Speaker 17>Tell me a little bit about his little league baseball career.
<v Speaker 17>What kind of a little leaguer was Hulkogan?
<v Speaker 3>Well, in my book played in the world a number
<v Speaker 3>of times.
<v Speaker 6>I'm his father, and I I don't know. He was wonderful.
<v Speaker 14>He was a good picture. And of course I named
<v Speaker 14>the Hawk the big train after walk shops and the
<v Speaker 14>great right handed big trains, the old Washington souths which
<v Speaker 14>some of your old timers may remember.
<v Speaker 17>But I understand, though, Pete, that that you had a
<v Speaker 17>picture's mound built up in the backyard.
<v Speaker 14>I did. One night. I came home from work and
<v Speaker 14>I went out to catch him, and uh, so the
<v Speaker 14>hawk was firing that fastball. That mean it was getting
<v Speaker 14>pretty dark, and I said, how I can't have me
<v Speaker 14>see the ball in him home And the hawk said, Dad,
<v Speaker 14>let me just throw one more. And my goodness, he
<v Speaker 14>threw a fast, breaking ball and I was catching and
<v Speaker 14>I saw it up here around my chest, and all
<v Speaker 14>of a sudden it broke the fastest struck me right
<v Speaker 14>in the middle of the belly.
<v Speaker 4>And I rolled over.
<v Speaker 6>The hawk came over break that out, and we laughed
<v Speaker 6>a little bit.
<v Speaker 14>I said, what in the world possessed you to ever
<v Speaker 14>throw that breaking fastball?
<v Speaker 3>But you know what you have to do.
<v Speaker 6>And Ruth, I know that it's out in the backyard.
<v Speaker 17>Still, is there a chance I could talk into showing
<v Speaker 17>me in our in our audience, that picture's mount out
<v Speaker 17>in the backyard, Glad.
<v Speaker 6>I want to take a look at it.
<v Speaker 17>Now, I understand, Roup, and Pete, this just looks where
<v Speaker 17>a home plate, wasn't I correct? Beat correct, And you
<v Speaker 17>would be over here behind the home plate catching hull
<v Speaker 17>Cogan from over there on the pictures.
<v Speaker 6>Not some sixty feet aways that way.
<v Speaker 3>That's correct.
<v Speaker 6>You got to tell me something.
<v Speaker 9>How fast was that fastball to the Hawksters?
<v Speaker 14>Well, that fastball of the hawks did have clocked at
<v Speaker 14>one hundred and five miles from now who clocked it.
<v Speaker 4>At one hundred and five miles?
<v Speaker 3>Hey, buzza.
<v Speaker 6>That boy, Elster. Welcome home.
<v Speaker 3>I knew i'd find you back here. Having a few
<v Speaker 3>pops out myself.
<v Speaker 9>I've been here before.
<v Speaker 6>Hope.
<v Speaker 17>You had an opportunity to grow up in this home
<v Speaker 17>with these two wonderful people. What was life like in
<v Speaker 17>the early informative years for you with Ruth and Pete?
<v Speaker 9>I'll tell you it was great.
<v Speaker 6>Me and Geene.
<v Speaker 13>I just came from seeing a bunch of my friends
<v Speaker 13>and they're all the same. And what's so neat about
<v Speaker 13>this house and the foundation they laid for me and
<v Speaker 13>these two people right here is all the things that
<v Speaker 13>have happened, all the miles and trials and all the
<v Speaker 13>things in the w w F great things in my career.
<v Speaker 13>I'm still the same persons because of them.
<v Speaker 9>You haven't gone Hollywood.
<v Speaker 13>As they saying, Oh brother, got my feet on the ground.
<v Speaker 6>I'm glad to hear that.
<v Speaker 17>Well, Hulk I've got to tell you, the hospitality of
<v Speaker 17>your mom and dad has been fantastic. And I understand
<v Speaker 17>you've got something up your sleep for.
<v Speaker 13>Oh yeah, I came to get you because last night
<v Speaker 13>I showed my mom and dad my new movie, Suburban Commando.
<v Speaker 13>I've got it queued up at the beach.
<v Speaker 3>I need you. I want your opinion.
<v Speaker 4>Let's do it.
<v Speaker 6>Let's go.
<v Speaker 17>Thanks seeing you, seeing you, take care, thank you. I
<v Speaker 17>got to see the movie, all right, you know, let's
<v Speaker 17>go beat I'll be back for one a little later.
<v Speaker 3>On thoughts, I don't even know where to fucking begin
<v Speaker 3>with that. There's like, I mean, having to call him
<v Speaker 3>a hulk, yes, is maybe one of the most uncomfortable
<v Speaker 3>things I've heard. The Hulk could pick me up up
<v Speaker 3>and I'm his dad, but it's fine. The whole could
<v Speaker 3>pick me up and here just throw me around sometimes
<v Speaker 3>to throw me against the tree, and I'd say, okay,
<v Speaker 3>let's do it again.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's that those are the people that apparently
<v Speaker 2>would not pass on the message, and here they are.
<v Speaker 3>You know, well, come on, when he you know, after
<v Speaker 3>he bottom like you know, two rolls royces, it's like, well,
<v Speaker 3>all right, I guess I have to like this shit now, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>pretty much, pretty much? Wow, Jesus, So.
<v Speaker 2>There she is the ruth who would insist on measuring
<v Speaker 2>people's height when they'd come over the house. According to Terry,
<v Speaker 2>that's how he knows how big he was, because she
<v Speaker 2>would they'll come over here and see how tall you are.
<v Speaker 3>It's just to me a favorite, just to come on in,
<v Speaker 3>come on in. But you got to stand over here
<v Speaker 3>for a moment. Stand over here, stand over here, don't move.
<v Speaker 3>Take your shoes off, Take him off, take them off,
<v Speaker 3>Take him the fuck off. You want my meat loaf?
<v Speaker 3>You shut the fuck up. And you staying there, got
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Briscoe calling over here? Oh yeah, I see how
<v Speaker 3>is he now? Yeah? No, I guess you're not tall
<v Speaker 3>And it's fine as long as you're not taller than
<v Speaker 3>the Hulk to make sure he beats the shit out
<v Speaker 3>of you if you need to.
<v Speaker 2>It's that's Those are the folks that apparently did not
<v Speaker 2>want to pass along the message from kindly old Jerry Briscoe.
<v Speaker 2>Just an amazing I mean, you go to the house,
<v Speaker 2>you see all the things on the wall, The same
<v Speaker 2>house they'd go to three years later, And that's Hulk
<v Speaker 2>just running the playbook, you know, like he just he
<v Speaker 2>just went to Turner and just did it all over again.
<v Speaker 3>Everything that worked. You know, let's involve my parents, like
<v Speaker 3>when I won the title in the Garden, let's do
<v Speaker 3>the the at home pieces. I don't understand this hot
<v Speaker 3>Ticket what the fuck?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was the only did it twice. It was
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be like a five dollars pay per view
<v Speaker 2>that you could just buy, and it was like a
<v Speaker 2>one was Best of WrestleMania and one was Hulk Hogan whatever,
<v Speaker 2>really American story, and it was and you know, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't really know that the whole Coga and Hot Ticket
<v Speaker 2>was called a real American story until we had called
<v Speaker 2>this a real American story, which is true serendipity. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it was just something that they would make available on
<v Speaker 2>pay per view just to get a few more bucks
<v Speaker 2>off you at a really cheap price.
<v Speaker 3>So that's wild, I mean, And I actually I just skimmed.
<v Speaker 3>I just found downloaded the file and I skimmed through it,
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, you know, the beginning is is you know,
<v Speaker 3>the first what twelve thirteen minutes is like original stuff,
<v Speaker 3>and all the rest of it is just matches. Yeah, well,
<v Speaker 3>you know, for the most part, it's like a cash
<v Speaker 3>competition tape almost. Yeah, but they it was almost like
<v Speaker 3>they were trying to sell coliseum videos on pay per view,
<v Speaker 3>is what it came off to. Is I don't know
<v Speaker 3>why they called it hot ticket, Yeah, but that's what
<v Speaker 3>they did. That's weird. So there you have it.
<v Speaker 2>The calls aren't getting through, and Jerry's got a call
<v Speaker 2>Teresa or wherever the fuck her name is to pass
<v Speaker 2>messages to Hulk, who may or may not be living
<v Speaker 2>in a hotel at this time, and definitely not living
<v Speaker 2>in this house that we just visited as part of
<v Speaker 2>Hot Ticket.
<v Speaker 3>So I don't I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>But Briscoe maintains, including that interview with Brad, that he
<v Speaker 2>was Hogan was put on the fast track because of
<v Speaker 2>his size, and he says, in fact, even though this
<v Speaker 2>is what Briscoe says, even though Terry had broken in,
<v Speaker 2>had gone through all the training and had done matches,
<v Speaker 2>he was still coming Tuesday nights to the Armory buying
<v Speaker 2>a ticket to sit there and watch the matches. Can
<v Speaker 2>you believe my god? I mean yeah, because he's probably like,
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll see me here. I know seriously for Brian
<v Speaker 2>Blair who talked to Brad Bluccin as well. Of course
<v Speaker 2>for the six Pack, that match with Terry leaves a
<v Speaker 2>lasting impression did.
<v Speaker 12>And then you said that the rib was that after
<v Speaker 12>fifteen minutes, they said, oh, another fifteen minutes.
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, they said fifteen minutes gone, because you know, we
<v Speaker 8>I had already had, like I don't know, six weeks
<v Speaker 8>with the matches.
<v Speaker 4>You'd have to check four weeks worth of matches.
<v Speaker 3>So I was kind of leading the match.
<v Speaker 4>A little bit.
<v Speaker 11>And I remember that either either he had me in
<v Speaker 11>a chinlock or I had him in the chin lock,
<v Speaker 11>and I can't.
<v Speaker 8>Remember the second, but anyway, he said, look the boys
<v Speaker 8>are I said, yeah, look all the boys are out.
<v Speaker 8>They look over there, and we're talking about the boys
<v Speaker 8>all watching the match. We're having a heck of a match, and.
<v Speaker 4>We're kind of talking, and so.
<v Speaker 8>We heard five minutes gone. I remember five minutes were gone,
<v Speaker 8>and I remember ten minutes we're gone. And now I
<v Speaker 8>was getting clock conscience because I knew it was a
<v Speaker 8>fifteen minute match and it was time to it was
<v Speaker 8>time to pick it up and go home. So we
<v Speaker 8>would seem like there was like a minute, two minutes left,
<v Speaker 8>and I'm waiting for the guy to say, you know,
<v Speaker 8>he's not counting down fifteen minutes or three minutes left
<v Speaker 8>or whatever giving us the time. So I decided that
<v Speaker 8>it was time to go home to kick it in,
<v Speaker 8>and we did. We gave it everything we had, and
<v Speaker 8>they were doing good, and all of a sudden, you know,
<v Speaker 8>fall finish one too, fall finish one two.
<v Speaker 4>And I can't think of any more moves.
<v Speaker 8>We were out of our repertoire, breathing, and all of
<v Speaker 8>a sudden, all of a sudden, the announcer, the timekeeper
<v Speaker 8>fifteen minutes gone, fifteen minutes to go, and right away
<v Speaker 8>I looked over towards the Briscoes and they're laughing, and
<v Speaker 8>Pat Patterson and Ivan Colof and Don Rocco and all
<v Speaker 8>of them are over there, laughing their fannies off, and
<v Speaker 8>we were just stuck in the middle of the ring,
<v Speaker 8>and I was like, the worst match that I recall
<v Speaker 8>for the US right, fifteen minutes terrible.
<v Speaker 2>There's a guy called wu double Up on on Ax.
<v Speaker 2>He posts a lot of great vintage wrestling stuff, and
<v Speaker 2>upon the forty eighth anniversary of that match with Brian Blair.
<v Speaker 2>He recalled getting his hands on a program from that
<v Speaker 2>night with a list of matches including Brian Blair versus
<v Speaker 2>Terry Boleya, and he posted on next one, I showed
<v Speaker 2>Hulk this piece. This is at an autograph signing with
<v Speaker 2>the original program in card. He was surprised to see it.
<v Speaker 2>I asked him to sign and write whatever came to
<v Speaker 2>his mind. He actually thought about it for a while
<v Speaker 2>with a couple of baffling HMMs. You can picture that
<v Speaker 2>his thoughts were. And what did you What did he
<v Speaker 2>write on it? Terry Boleya still a mark? He wrote, wow,
<v Speaker 2>because he felt like a mark that night, because he
<v Speaker 2>was once again taken for a ride, and this business
<v Speaker 2>is going to apparently completely run towards his insecurities at
<v Speaker 2>a fucking warp speed any chance they get. And uh,
<v Speaker 2>he felt like a mark then, and I guess feel
<v Speaker 2>like a mark today, probably remembering too that if Brisco's
<v Speaker 2>telling the truth, he's still buying tickets to watch the
<v Speaker 2>big Tuesday night shows, even though he supposedly in the business.
<v Speaker 2>You start, you start to get the hint after a while,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, You start to get hint
<v Speaker 2>after a while yep, but yeah, they you know, they
<v Speaker 2>saw a lot in him.
<v Speaker 3>They well, how y'all understand this is all part of
<v Speaker 3>how we broke people into the business at the time,
<v Speaker 3>paying does. The way we broke.
<v Speaker 2>People into business at the time was to make them
<v Speaker 2>feel like they were laughing stocks and pieces of ship
<v Speaker 2>and idiots for coming back after we hurt them. The
<v Speaker 2>way the way that we broke them in is we
<v Speaker 2>tried to push him away as felt hard as we
<v Speaker 2>could not, telling them it's fake and it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>if they came back, and then we wanted to use them.
<v Speaker 17>And jack.
<v Speaker 3>Shit. He said shit at the end.
<v Speaker 2>So they rematched as mentioned on August tenth, they had
<v Speaker 2>the match. August eleventh, they rematched Blair versus ble A
<v Speaker 2>Winter Unknown for that second showdown in Chiefland. Then they
<v Speaker 2>went to Tallahassee on August nineteenth of nineteen seventy seven
<v Speaker 2>at the Sports Stadium in the state's capitol, and again
<v Speaker 2>it was Brian Blair, this time versus Super Destroyer. And
<v Speaker 2>at that point, Brian Blair leaves Hult Cogan's wrestling life
<v Speaker 2>as far as I can tell, until they reunite in
<v Speaker 2>the WWF. For someone who was such a long time
<v Speaker 2>friend of Hogan and a fellow tampad and all of that,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, shared the ring with him for his
<v Speaker 2>formative experiences as a wrestler before live audiences. They would
<v Speaker 2>part ways in terms of their respective journeys in the
<v Speaker 2>business for quite a few years. Brian Blair shortly after
<v Speaker 2>this would be making tracks to Bill Wats's Mid South promotion,
<v Speaker 2>where he developed as a single star to a much
<v Speaker 2>gridder degree.
<v Speaker 3>So here he is Brian.
<v Speaker 2>Blair recalling to Brad Belucian that last meeting with Terry
<v Speaker 2>Boleya in Florida before making his way to Mid South.
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, after that, you know, I went to I went
<v Speaker 8>on my own on the road and we gave each
<v Speaker 8>other a big hug.
<v Speaker 4>I'll never forget that day.
<v Speaker 8>And he gave me some of those caffeine pills because
<v Speaker 8>we knew I had to drive to Louisiana, so he said, here, man, take.
<v Speaker 4>Some of these caffeine.
<v Speaker 8>So that made help me get to Louisiana safely and
<v Speaker 8>without having to pay for a hotel. Because you know,
<v Speaker 8>we'd always learn it's not how much you make, it's
<v Speaker 8>how much you.
<v Speaker 4>Save, and so they were always saving.
<v Speaker 12>So you said that you always read so that that
<v Speaker 12>was when you and you and Terry say goodbye because
<v Speaker 12>you were hitting the road.
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, because I was hitting the road. It's kind of difficult,
<v Speaker 8>you know. That was a bittersweet day. I remember it
<v Speaker 8>like yesterday.
<v Speaker 4>What was?
<v Speaker 9>Can you say more about?
<v Speaker 6>What was?
<v Speaker 4>What do you mean by well? We had just got
<v Speaker 4>done working out.
<v Speaker 8>It was my last day in the territory, in the
<v Speaker 8>gym and everything, and we were just sitting in the
<v Speaker 8>locker room and still full of sweat, just shooting a
<v Speaker 8>breeze and talking about Bill Watson's territory and talking about
<v Speaker 8>the drive, you know, and he was telling me to
<v Speaker 8>be careful, make sure I had the right routes. He's
<v Speaker 8>like being a big brother all the time, you know,
<v Speaker 8>to me, tell me not to drive sleepy. Whatever you do,
<v Speaker 8>don't drive sleepy, sleepy, pull over, don't get sleepy. Bust
<v Speaker 8>the caffeine because he knew I wasn't a coffee drinker
<v Speaker 8>or anything like that.
<v Speaker 3>So goodbye to Brian Blair. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>He continues on in Championship Wrestling from Florida. August twenty fifth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven in Jacksonville, Florida. He rematches his very
<v Speaker 2>first opponent, Don Serrano as Super Destroyer according to results
<v Speaker 2>and now comin ended without a winner at a time
<v Speaker 2>limit draw, not the kind of time limit draw where
<v Speaker 2>they announced fifteen more minutes, by the way, followed that
<v Speaker 2>up the next night in Tallahassee August twenty sixth, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, where Super Destroyer meets Great Befisto, who was
<v Speaker 2>another longtime veteran masked wrestler in the territory.
<v Speaker 3>Winner unknown.
<v Speaker 2>In that one, we moved to the second month of
<v Speaker 2>Terry Moulaya's in ring wrestling career September nineteen seventy seven,
<v Speaker 2>kicked off September seventh, a second pardon me of seventy
<v Speaker 2>seven at the Sports Stadium in Tallahassee once again as
<v Speaker 2>Super Destroyer faced Tony Rocco Winter Unknown there September ninth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seventh the Sports Stadium, again in Tallahassee. Gordon Nelson,
<v Speaker 2>who Hulk has mentioned to somebody that they put him
<v Speaker 2>in the ring with after he returned from the Metsuda
<v Speaker 2>injury and stuck it out for another year. Gordon Nelson
<v Speaker 2>was a respected shooter and catch wrestler or at least
<v Speaker 2>a guy who knew the catches Catchkin Style and Hulk,
<v Speaker 2>remember that, being brutal those sessions with Gordon Nelson, but
<v Speaker 2>he worked him in September nine, seventy seven. September tenth,
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven to the Bayfront Center in Saint Pete, Super
<v Speaker 2>Destroyer teams with Mike York for Terry Blay's first tag
<v Speaker 2>team match. So there's an answer to your trivia question.
<v Speaker 2>Who was Helkogagin's very first tag team partner Mike York
<v Speaker 2>as he defeats Tony Rocco and Don Serrano. So that,
<v Speaker 2>as far as I can tell, you know, of course,
<v Speaker 2>unless these win are unknowns were wins, would be also
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bullaya's first win in the professional wrestling ring right there,
<v Speaker 2>September tenth, nineteen seventy seven, in a tag team match.
<v Speaker 2>They moved to Fort Myners on the twenty first of
<v Speaker 2>September nineteen seventy seven at the National Guard Armory where
<v Speaker 2>Great Mephisto faces Super Destroyer Winter or Unknown. They moved
<v Speaker 2>to Tallahassee on September twenty third, nineteen seventy seven, at
<v Speaker 2>the Sports Stadium in Tallahassee, Don Serrano again faces off
<v Speaker 2>against Super Destroyer win Or Unknown September thirtieth, seventy seven
<v Speaker 2>Sports Stadium, Tallahassee, Great Mephisto versus Super Destroyer win Or Unknown.
<v Speaker 2>We moved to October nineteen seventy seven and CWF hits Gainesville,
<v Speaker 2>Florida at the High School. There in October four, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, Charlie Cook, a longtime veteran of the circuit
<v Speaker 2>in the area, faces Super Destroyer winner Unknown. Championship Wrestling
<v Speaker 2>from Florida hits Gainesville again at the high School and
<v Speaker 2>late This is the same show, but later on there
<v Speaker 2>was a Battle Royal featuring none other than Andre the Giant,
<v Speaker 2>as well as Don Rocco, Buddy Roberts, Jerry Briscoe, Massa Saieto,
<v Speaker 2>Steve Kern, and others. Willem Ruska also included in the
<v Speaker 2>eleven man Battle Royal was a Super Destroyer. We don't
<v Speaker 2>know who won the Battle Royal, but we do know
<v Speaker 2>that Terry Bolea worked twice that night, and as far
<v Speaker 2>as I can tell, I would like to present to
<v Speaker 2>you the very first time who that hul Cogan was
<v Speaker 2>in the ring with Andrea the Giant. Wow Market down bitches,
<v Speaker 2>and it's lap serendipity because October fourth, that's when we're
<v Speaker 2>coming around to record this. Nineteen seventy seven October fourth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven, Gainesville, Florida, an eleven man Battle Royal. Now,
<v Speaker 2>it's possible that some of these other cards that we've
<v Speaker 2>referenced the far had Andre on them as well, but
<v Speaker 2>Andre was typically brought into territories like Florida just to
<v Speaker 2>work Battle Royals. That was the big attraction when he'd
<v Speaker 2>go out to San Francisco and Los Angeles and so
<v Speaker 2>many other places, as well as Bill Watts's territory in
<v Speaker 2>Texas as well. So wouldn't surprise me if this was
<v Speaker 2>also the first time that Bolea was even on the
<v Speaker 2>same card as Andrea the Giant Wow and what I
<v Speaker 2>imagine to be amongst that history ten years before WrestleMania three,
<v Speaker 2>This Terry Boleya we're talking about, that's the butt of
<v Speaker 2>the joke that has kind of awkward and barely grown
<v Speaker 2>into his body and doesn't know his ass from the
<v Speaker 2>hole in the ground in terms of the ring, and
<v Speaker 2>is pretty close to trying to quit the business because
<v Speaker 2>of how it's not going well for him is in
<v Speaker 2>the same building as the guy that they'd filled the Pontiacil.
<v Speaker 2>We're done with ten years. The difference ten years made
<v Speaker 2>back then is so much greater than the difference ten
<v Speaker 2>years makes today. Man, Honest to God, that's crazy. I
<v Speaker 2>may think of twenty fifteen. Is it really that much
<v Speaker 2>different from twenty twenty five? Yeah, especially with the pro wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>Not really right, No, I mean not at all, but.
<v Speaker 2>The wrestling Hull Kegan is in right here in seventy
<v Speaker 2>seven and the wrestling they were in in nineteen eighty seven.
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, it's amazing. But needless to say, is the
<v Speaker 2>complete Hulkegan unfolds. Andre the Giant is going to be
<v Speaker 2>one of the absolute most central recurring characters, and it's
<v Speaker 2>extremely important to track where Andre is visa VI Terry
<v Speaker 2>all these years, not just where Terry is. So when
<v Speaker 2>they moved to Tallahassee on October seventh of seventy seven,
<v Speaker 2>Raoul Manta faces Super Destroyer the Sports Stadium win or
<v Speaker 2>Unknown back of Telhassee on the seventh. Later on that card,
<v Speaker 2>another Battle Royal featuring Andre as well as Super Destroyer,
<v Speaker 2>So again back to back nights. Rocky Johnson was also
<v Speaker 2>in that one c WF Saint Petersburg October eighth, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven. Steve Kern, the Future Skinner and Fabulous One
<v Speaker 2>defeats Super Destroyer, the same guy he remembered in the
<v Speaker 2>crowd folding his arms because he didn't believe that Steve
<v Speaker 2>Kern could out muscle Superstar Graham in a mid ring
<v Speaker 2>test of strength. And now they're sharing the ring together.
<v Speaker 2>October eighth, seventy seven. We got along pretty well, brother,
<v Speaker 2>And come to think of it, that's probably why Mike
<v Speaker 2>Graham hated me too, because they were buddies, Steve Current
<v Speaker 2>and Mike Graham. And to see him in there at
<v Speaker 2>the ring with me, brother and cooperating and kind of
<v Speaker 2>getting along dude, and seeing this rock and roll high
<v Speaker 2>and being okay with him, I probably pissed my Graham off.
<v Speaker 3>Now, brother, what? Brother? Why is Mike Graham always coming
<v Speaker 3>out with my ass? Dude? Did you tell Mike Graham
<v Speaker 3>you're talking to Mike Graham? Who's talking to Mike Graham? Brother?
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's the earliest who of you talking to?
<v Speaker 2>Have you been talking to? And Terry's talking to Mike Graham?
<v Speaker 3>Brother? Was Mike Grhand talking to Eddie Graham for sure.
<v Speaker 3>He's his son. Why son, Pete Pete Hogan.
<v Speaker 2>Pete the Hulk. I don't talk to the Holt's dad.
<v Speaker 3>I don't talk to the Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>Was in the backyard throwing the fastball.
<v Speaker 3>The Hulk at all. It's like that is actually the
<v Speaker 3>green Hulk, you know, an incredible It's like a figure
<v Speaker 3>back there. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Right on that Saint Petersburg card where Steve Kern faced
<v Speaker 2>a Super Destroyer, there was another Battle Royal one by
<v Speaker 2>Ivan Colof that Hulk Hogan participated in, as did Dutch
<v Speaker 2>mantel Jack and Jerry Briscoe mass Societo. Mike Graham was
<v Speaker 2>in their brother brother so they shared the ring early.
<v Speaker 2>They go to Miami for the first time for Terry
<v Speaker 2>on October twelfth, nineteen seventy seven at the Miami High
<v Speaker 2>Live fronton where Super Gladiator defeated Super Destroyer. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>sure who super Gladiator was, but he was the superior
<v Speaker 2>super wrestler on this night defeating Super Destroyer. If anyone
<v Speaker 2>in the comments on Patreon can look up super Gladiator,
<v Speaker 2>that would be appreciated. Hogan's like third or fourth cousin whatever.
<v Speaker 2>Mike Austin would later use the name Gladiator in FMW
<v Speaker 2>before coming to ECW. CWF Fort Lauderdale, October fourteenth, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven. Super Destroyer defeats No Faces. Wilhelm Ruska, the
<v Speaker 2>former Olympic judo medalist, the first in the Great Trivia question,
<v Speaker 2>the first gold medalist to wrestle on the WWF, and
<v Speaker 2>in fact somebody you see in those sparing clips of
<v Speaker 2>Terry Boley working out the Sportatorium before breaking in as
<v Speaker 2>a wrestler, you see Wilhelm Ruska kind of throw him
<v Speaker 2>over his shoulder, Remember that bump Terry Bola takes that
<v Speaker 2>kind of throw. Yeah, yeah, So Wilhelm Ruska there. So
<v Speaker 2>he's getting in the ring with people that he says
<v Speaker 2>later in interviews he was training with in the sportatorium,
<v Speaker 2>which which makes some sense. You know, if they're training
<v Speaker 2>you for the ring behind closed doors in front of
<v Speaker 2>the people, you probably feel more comfortable being led by
<v Speaker 2>them as well, and that probably helps you learn a
<v Speaker 2>lot faster than working with people of similar experience level
<v Speaker 2>to yourself. What a novel concept these days? That is
<v Speaker 2>CWF good some Melbourne Florida next to October twentieth, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, where Super Destroyer faces super Gladiator once again,
<v Speaker 2>Winner unknown, this time CWF Twen Lahassee October twenty first,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven, to the Sports Stadium. Charlie Cook faces
<v Speaker 2>off against Super Destroyer Winner Unknown. CWF Lakeland, Florida. October
<v Speaker 2>twenty second, nineteen seventy seven at the Lakeland Civic Center.
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Cook defeats the Super Destroyer. So's he's very much
<v Speaker 2>counting the lights. I'm pretty sure all of these winner
<v Speaker 2>unknowns are probably not victories for him either. And October
<v Speaker 2>twenty eighth, nineteen seventy seven, CWF Fort Lauderdale, the National
<v Speaker 2>Guarden Armory, John Boy Ruffin faces Super Destroyer Winner Unknown.
<v Speaker 2>Let's get some more texture on some of these cards.
<v Speaker 2>If you can open up that folder that we've been
<v Speaker 2>looking at courtesy of Laomi Matt the nineteen seventy five
<v Speaker 2>to seventy eight one, and you go over in the
<v Speaker 2>second row all the way to the right, you'll see
<v Speaker 2>the August eighth, nineteen seventy seven. So this is the
<v Speaker 2>John Harrol John Carroll High School, Jim the very first
<v Speaker 2>show he wrestled on that we were just talking about.
<v Speaker 2>This is from the book Florida Matt Warris, by the Way,
<v Speaker 2>which is a very helpful resource to understanding this time period,
<v Speaker 2>particularly considering how little in the way of video seems
<v Speaker 2>to have survived from this time period, and how little
<v Speaker 2>in fact of consequence looking back historically that was happening
<v Speaker 2>in FCW actually was reflected on television at all. So
<v Speaker 2>we go from that image. If you have it there, Boss,
<v Speaker 2>which one it again? This is a set nineteen seventy seven,
<v Speaker 2>eight nine c WF Fort Pierce, Florida, second row all
<v Speaker 2>the way to the right. Second from the right, and
<v Speaker 2>you'll see Florida Matt Wars. The year was nineteen seventy
<v Speaker 2>seven at the top of the image, and then you'll
<v Speaker 2>see John Carroll High School gym. This is what those
<v Speaker 2>wrestling ads looked like, just two guys laying on the mat.
<v Speaker 2>It looks kind of like Pat Patterson making this guy
<v Speaker 2>blow him, honestly, So maybe it wasn't true that whole story. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So we move forward and you'll see the next one.
<v Speaker 2>There it is that's where he signed his name. Still
<v Speaker 2>a mark is still a mark.
<v Speaker 3>That's fucking hilarious.
<v Speaker 2>Next one we see NBA wrestling with former world champion
<v Speaker 2>Jack Briscoe challenging Pat Patterson. Briscoe Jerry Briscovers great in
<v Speaker 2>the fisto Rick all Over Verser for Sean. So that's
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the poster for.
<v Speaker 3>It in Chiefland.
<v Speaker 2>And if you could read here, here's the snippet and
<v Speaker 2>what this is is basically how they reported out the
<v Speaker 2>match against Brian Blair that we just read from his
<v Speaker 2>book and heard the interview about a capacity.
<v Speaker 3>Crown was on him Thursday night, August eleventh to watch
<v Speaker 3>Jack Briscoe defeat Lars Anderson in the feature wrestling match
<v Speaker 3>at the Chiefland High School Gym. Several hundred fans were
<v Speaker 3>turned away for lack of sufficient seating space. It's also
<v Speaker 3>called a sellout. Good say exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, but you know what's funny about that? Several hundred
<v Speaker 2>fans were not turned away. Yeah, it's happened, but you
<v Speaker 2>see funny enough, several hundred fans were also turned off
<v Speaker 2>by fake wrestling. You can see why the results databases
<v Speaker 2>list this as Blair versus Terry Blaya instead of Super Destroyer,
<v Speaker 2>even though the pictures in Blair's book have bolea under
<v Speaker 2>the hood. It'd be very strange, I think to present
<v Speaker 2>a wrestler that looks like a fucking guy that cuts
<v Speaker 2>your head off in medieval times, right, I call him
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bowl. Hey uh, but that's apparently right because there
<v Speaker 2>it is, right there on the poster it says Terry
<v Speaker 2>Bola versus Brian Blair.
<v Speaker 3>So uh, Anderson, who just arrived in Florida, was disqualified
<v Speaker 3>for throwing brisco over the top rope. Prior to this point,
<v Speaker 3>it had been a pretty even scrap. Jerry Briscoe took
<v Speaker 3>the measure of the Great Mephisto, using the figure for
<v Speaker 3>leg Lock to defeat his Arabian opponent. Gordon Nelson defeated
<v Speaker 3>Crystal Rivers Rick Oliver. Brian Beeper Blair Deeper was his
<v Speaker 3>boyhood nickname. Yeah, I wouldn't have shared that with anybody.
<v Speaker 3>What the Beeper number? Yeah, I would never have shared that. Yeah, No,
<v Speaker 3>that's stupid. That was my nickname when I used to
<v Speaker 3>sell drugs in nineteen ninety six too, I like, I
<v Speaker 3>would not have I wouldn't have shared that with anybody.
<v Speaker 3>That's where b.
<v Speaker 2>Brian Blair comes from because when he went to work
<v Speaker 2>for Vince. He was like, Brian's kind of there's a
<v Speaker 2>million Brians. Can we come up with something? And he says, well,
<v Speaker 2>my name was Beeper, Brian Blair or bebe I'm sorry
<v Speaker 2>what now? So he says, b Brian Blair is your name?
<v Speaker 3>Sorry? Wait wait, I'm sorry Beeper? Beeper? What does that
<v Speaker 3>even mean? Behind the wheel?
<v Speaker 4>Beeper?
<v Speaker 3>What do you don't understand? Explain Beeper to me? We
<v Speaker 3>have a Beefer already and we got we got, we
<v Speaker 3>got beef cake or you want to be beep cake?
<v Speaker 3>Is that something, Brian Beepcake Blair? Is that something you're
<v Speaker 3>sitting in?
<v Speaker 2>The Killer beat the Killer beep cakes, the Killer beep
<v Speaker 2>Killer beeps, the Killer beeps the Killer about you know what?
<v Speaker 1>What?
<v Speaker 3>What is of interest to you? Because honestly, that's that's
<v Speaker 3>why I'm here, That's why I'm spending so much time,
<v Speaker 3>because I honestly care what you think. Tell me, I'm
<v Speaker 3>curious about your experience. I don't fucking care about your
<v Speaker 3>goddamn name.
<v Speaker 2>Tell me where in your name I should leave a
<v Speaker 2>message pal.
<v Speaker 3>Tell me tell you what? Tell me where? Tell me
<v Speaker 3>the name that you have at an address? And I'm
<v Speaker 3>going to send you your final check there right now. Ohause,
<v Speaker 3>I'm fucking done. It just started. They're coming up with
<v Speaker 3>a name. You didn't do anything. You're sitting there. You
<v Speaker 3>have stupid names. Vince works himself into a lather.
<v Speaker 2>Beeper Brian Beeper. Blair went to a draw with the
<v Speaker 2>Super Destroyer in the first match of the even Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so the poster advertising the show and come on, come
<v Speaker 2>on down ringside four dollars. General Mission III, says Brian
<v Speaker 2>Blair versus Terry Bolea. The write up of the results
<v Speaker 2>calls him Super Destroyer.
<v Speaker 3>So you tell me what do you want?
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. It's fine either way, it's not wrong. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>if you say both, I guess. I guess you can't
<v Speaker 2>be wrong. That's true, not one hundred percent wrong.
<v Speaker 3>Oh Jesus. The chief Land High School Athletic Fund realized
<v Speaker 3>over over one thousand dollars for sponsoring the event. I'm
<v Speaker 3>glad realized it realized they had misplaced over there, and
<v Speaker 3>a thousand dollars isn't written in numerics either, it's spelled out. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure the Chiefly and High Athletic Fund was glad
<v Speaker 3>to have the money I'm sure that went to a
<v Speaker 3>lot of jockstraps for a lot of athletes.
<v Speaker 2>Let's move to the next one. Here's a clip from
<v Speaker 2>the Tallahassee Democrat Sunday, August fourteen, seventy seven. There's Rocky
<v Speaker 2>Johnson right there, the father of the Rock, facing Buddy Wolf.
<v Speaker 2>So the ties that bind would the great one go
<v Speaker 2>way way back?
<v Speaker 3>Brother?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, look at Briscoe's face in that picture. Fine,
<v Speaker 2>looks like a nineteen seventies superstar.
<v Speaker 3>I understand. I mean, this guy was world champion. I know,
<v Speaker 3>I know.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I keep saying about how different it was then.
<v Speaker 3>What I love too, is that is that Jerry brisco
<v Speaker 3>Jack's Jack. Yeah that's Jack, but he's not even on
<v Speaker 3>the card. I don't see his name. Jerry Briscoe's on
<v Speaker 3>the card, not Jack. Maybe that is Jerry. It looks
<v Speaker 3>like Jack to me. It looks like Jack to me
<v Speaker 3>too very much. So well, maybe they didn't care. Yeah
<v Speaker 3>they probably. Well Brisco's a brisk Oh who fucking gives
<v Speaker 3>a shit?
<v Speaker 2>Who is on the card?
<v Speaker 3>Brian super Destroyer? There we go, super Destroyer. We move ahead.
<v Speaker 2>Here is a big night of action in Jacksonville, August
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth. According to this boaster, the w w WF
<v Speaker 2>Championship was on the Wow Superstar Billy Graham faced Dusty Rhodes,
<v Speaker 2>as well as Don Morocco versus Ivan Koloff. So again,
<v Speaker 2>another example of the ties that bind between the New
<v Speaker 2>York and Florida offices at the time and below their
<v Speaker 2>Boss is a write up of Thursday Night's action.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, Thursday Night's wrestling results from the Jacksonville Coliseum Super
<v Speaker 3>Destroyer and Don Serrano drew. That's great. Take sure many's
<v Speaker 3>a draw? See yeah, so the rematch there the draw?
<v Speaker 3>Uh Mike York Michael York really from I eight from
<v Speaker 3>Austin Powers and Cabaret Michael York he qualifies then, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's right. Defeated Brian Blair, Mister Saito defeated Tony Rocco,
<v Speaker 3>Lars Anderson defeated Scott Casey, Charlie Cook and Jerry Briscoe
<v Speaker 3>defeated dutch Man Tel and Keith Franks. Don Morocco defeated
<v Speaker 3>Ivan Colof and Dusty Rhade defeated Billy Graham.
<v Speaker 2>That must have been something to read that and think
<v Speaker 2>that Dusty.
<v Speaker 3>Road just won the title, right, and they don't need
<v Speaker 3>to know if it's a disqualification or not. It doesn't
<v Speaker 3>fucking matter.
<v Speaker 2>He won another reason for the Dusty, then you win
<v Speaker 2>the title. No, I don't know who cares. It's fake,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. So that that made the Dusty finish even
<v Speaker 2>more palatable. Back then, the people reading the results in
<v Speaker 2>the newspapers wouldn't even know if he won the belt
<v Speaker 2>or not. Moving forward, this is August twenty sixth, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven. Again it's Graham at this time against Rocky Johnson.
<v Speaker 2>He's listed as WWWF Champions still. So apparently Dusty didn't
<v Speaker 2>win the belt the night before, Yeah, right, Jerry Brisco
<v Speaker 2>versus Lauras Anderson, Brian Blair versus mister Saito, Scott Casey,
<v Speaker 2>Verstutch Mantel, and there is the great fist over a
<v Speaker 2>super Destroyer. So he's making the poster, you know, that's yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's not nothing. He's making the vague Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 2>That's the twenty six We move ahead to this clipping
<v Speaker 2>from the twenty eighth Tallahassee Democrat.
<v Speaker 3>The grudge match.
<v Speaker 2>In the headliner, Don rock I'm glad you fucking got
<v Speaker 2>the uh, I'm glad you finally got the fucking you know,
<v Speaker 2>the messages he's working every night. Absolutely yeah, those these
<v Speaker 2>came through apparently a super destroyer to face Tony Rocco,
<v Speaker 2>Bell time, eight thirty pm. Just, I mean, just quickly,
<v Speaker 2>can you imagine living in a time where like box
<v Speaker 2>ads like this in the newspaper is how you found
<v Speaker 2>out about the matches coming to your town.
<v Speaker 3>I mean the idea too. I mean, what a way,
<v Speaker 3>what a way to get kids invested in like sifting
<v Speaker 3>through the newspaper.
<v Speaker 2>I know, true, you know, tell what we're seeing, like,
<v Speaker 2>describe the scenic what you know?
<v Speaker 3>We get this this, like you said, a box ad,
<v Speaker 3>and you've got some some head clippings of of a
<v Speaker 3>bunch of the uh floating heads right, floating heads around
<v Speaker 3>like like kind of you know, old movie posters. In
<v Speaker 3>a way, you've got a drawing of of two gentlemen wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>It looks like somebody's got him, please got him in
<v Speaker 3>a in a uh and drop type of crucifix type maneuver.
<v Speaker 3>You got the n w A logo, and then you've
<v Speaker 3>got you know, you get your typical billing of of
<v Speaker 3>of of matches. But it's it's great because I get
<v Speaker 3>it gives you obviously the main matches that you're gonna watch,
<v Speaker 3>and and just the idea that you know you you
<v Speaker 3>you'd want to. Dad, give me the paper, right, I
<v Speaker 3>gotta see what the matches are. I want to know
<v Speaker 3>if I'm gonna go Sunday or Monday or wherever the fuck?
<v Speaker 3>Come on, Dad, stop taking a ship's good luck with that.
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, John, you know my shit's take at least two
<v Speaker 3>hours in the afternoon. Leave me alone. I got ninety
<v Speaker 3>minutes left to get the ship out of my ass. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>that you live in it. You live in it. You
<v Speaker 3>live in a house, one bathroom. But you know, between
<v Speaker 3>five and seven, Dad is not to be disturbed.
<v Speaker 2>Because well because he's I'm sorry. You can give a
<v Speaker 2>man his solitude. But that's two hours, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's two hours and it's not even a
<v Speaker 2>silent two hours.
<v Speaker 3>He's screaming, he's he's moaning, he's reaching the height of
<v Speaker 3>ecstasy in there. You've got like the slounds of futter
<v Speaker 3>of fluttering anus as He's just like, ah, I wit,
<v Speaker 3>you haven't thought much about what a fluttering a it
<v Speaker 3>sounds like lately. Well, we're here to fix that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>oh my god. He's he's letting go. He says, the
<v Speaker 3>bottom just fell out, Son, the bottom just fell out.
<v Speaker 2>Kaboom, I get cab boom, big one. I got a
<v Speaker 2>big one, cresting sun. Now, this is just remind people
<v Speaker 2>this is coming up? Why as we look at this
<v Speaker 2>newspaper ad from nineteen seventy seven, why is it coming up?
<v Speaker 3>How do we get here? I just try to follow
<v Speaker 3>in case the people get us. We were just looking
<v Speaker 3>at a newspaper ad. You were describing it rather well.
<v Speaker 3>He's talking about the excitement of a kid wanting to
<v Speaker 3>read the news paper to find out when the wrestling
<v Speaker 3>matches were. But dad's dad's gotta be shitter. It's dad's time.
<v Speaker 3>You can't read the paper until Dad's done in the shitter.
<v Speaker 3>Can I ask you a question? What episode was it
<v Speaker 3>that they John, I still got a half hour. Leave
<v Speaker 3>me the fuck alone, nice guy. I keep mind he
<v Speaker 3>came home from working five o'clock and goes right into
<v Speaker 3>the fucking bathroom. Watch channel with the two hours as this,
<v Speaker 3>Adam the Telehauseie Democrat says.
<v Speaker 2>To the bottom, watch channel six for TV wrestling. You
<v Speaker 2>half went fucking missing chromosome. Motherfuckers.
<v Speaker 3>Lady didn't say, watch channel six for radio wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>TV wrestling not too big confused with rito wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>You know that's what that means. You know what that's
<v Speaker 3>what that means. Definitely also a difference between film wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>To the next clipping, we go, also from the Tallahausee Democrat,
<v Speaker 2>Sunday September fourth main event, Rocky Johnson and Lars Anderson.
<v Speaker 2>How about an Australian tag team match Scott Casey and
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Cook faced Tony Marino in Dutch mantello? You tell
<v Speaker 2>me what's Australian about.
<v Speaker 3>Dutch man, tell Australia.
<v Speaker 2>Fucking kangaroo is a kangaroo. I mean, I know, the
<v Speaker 2>fabulous Kangaroos. They always had Australian tag matches. Gordon Nelson
<v Speaker 2>for Super Destroyer. So there it is Hulk Cogan meeting
<v Speaker 2>Gordon Nelson. I mean, just think about this. Think about
<v Speaker 2>like if people see this ad, they see Super Destroyer
<v Speaker 2>and this would be the case for years, and no
<v Speaker 2>idea was Hulk Cogan. Like we're looking at these things
<v Speaker 2>and other names are way at the top with their
<v Speaker 2>heads cut out, and Hulk fucking.
<v Speaker 3>Hogan is on this.
<v Speaker 2>No one even knows it, and it's not his name
<v Speaker 2>even You've not even his real name nothing, just to
<v Speaker 2>see Super Destroyer and whenever you see that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>moving ahead to the September eleventh, Saint Petersburg Time Times,
<v Speaker 2>what does this have to tell us here? Loss professional,
<v Speaker 2>it's got it's got two dummies, almost like a road sign,
<v Speaker 2>like don't cross. It's got or it's got like that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the bathroom stall right sign right, like professional,
<v Speaker 2>because there's another one with that icon and underneath it
<v Speaker 2>says real or it says amateur right right right college
<v Speaker 2>based at Bayfront Center. Saturday's results, Harley Race defeated Dusty
<v Speaker 2>Roads disqualification. Superstar Graham defeated Rocky Johnson. No no, no,
<v Speaker 2>Noess doesn't say.
<v Speaker 3>How he won. But I'm like the first match I haven't.
<v Speaker 3>You can't.
<v Speaker 2>You can't say in the fucking floor to paper that
<v Speaker 2>Dusty Roads lost to anybody without that's what that is.
<v Speaker 3>Ah, Lars Anderson defeated Jerry Briscoe. Mister Saito defeated Oh,
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry Lars Anderson to Jack brisco Mister Saito defeated
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Briscoe. Briscoe is on the fucking Mike Graham and
<v Speaker 3>Steve Kern defeated or No pe what brother P Steve
<v Speaker 3>current P. Buddy Roberts pinned, I guess pinned, I guess Wow, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there is a different B and P and Tony Marino
<v Speaker 3>Dutch Mantel defeated Scott Casey, Keith Franks pinned Brian Blair.
<v Speaker 3>Charlie Cook defeated Butcher of A Sean Mike York and
<v Speaker 3>the Super Destroyer defeated Dom Serrano and Tony Rocco. I'm
<v Speaker 3>glad that Togan's getting that win back on Don Serrano.
<v Speaker 6>Is that U?
<v Speaker 2>That's the tag match? Yeah, yep, yeah, yep, really good
<v Speaker 2>stuff there. We move ahead to September fourteenth, nineteen seventy seven.
<v Speaker 2>Clipping here This is from the Melbourne, Florida newspaper The
<v Speaker 2>City Auditorium. It's going to be Petro Morales coming up,
<v Speaker 2>coming down, rather as chance television champion to face Pat
<v Speaker 2>Patterson in your main event, Mike Graham, BERSTONI Marino second
<v Speaker 2>from the top in the semi final Bubba Douglas versus
<v Speaker 2>Butcher rushaw Don Serrano versus Mike York and the Great
<v Speaker 2>Mephisto versus Super Bowl Sponge Douglas Destroyer. I know it's
<v Speaker 2>in the first Bubba he was, he was underneath. We
<v Speaker 2>moved to September eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven, Tallahassee.
<v Speaker 3>So he had this fucking program with the Great Mefisto.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they went all over the place, mask verse mask,
<v Speaker 2>Tallahassee Sports Stadium, Johnson versus Colough, Morales versus Mantel.
<v Speaker 3>What's a challenge match? Right, that's a great question.
<v Speaker 2>I can only assume it means one challenged the other,
<v Speaker 2>and that's why this is happening as opposed to you know,
<v Speaker 2>so they were booked.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>So there's Wilhelm risk as well and Hulk continuing to
<v Speaker 2>get work.
<v Speaker 3>As Serrano.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the phone continues to ring. Here's Pat Patterson's floating
<v Speaker 2>head from the Tallahasee Democrats in Prember twenty six to
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven Morales and Patterson does say Ivan Colo for
<v Speaker 2>no reason under Pat Patterson's name. Oh, it's a tag match.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Rocky and Pedro versus Pat Patterson and I
<v Speaker 2>have a cof.
<v Speaker 3>So is this the w w w F for? Is this?
<v Speaker 6>I know?
<v Speaker 3>Seriously, that's like all these all these New York talent
<v Speaker 3>here coming down to Florida, Sight OVERSU Willhem Ruska in
<v Speaker 3>a judo jacket match?
<v Speaker 4>Or is this.
<v Speaker 6>No?
<v Speaker 2>No, this is a Judd jacket Judd Apatow jacket man.
<v Speaker 2>Actually Judd jacket match, probably a d U D D
<v Speaker 2>jacket match, probably a Judd Nelson jacket man ship It's
<v Speaker 2>a dud jacket match. By the time there it is,
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Cook is Mike York Mephisto versus Super Destroyer. Advanced
<v Speaker 2>Tickets of Friday thirty a m.
<v Speaker 3>What thirty a m. That's the start time for the show?
<v Speaker 10>What the fuck?
<v Speaker 2>That must be a that's a huge typo. If they
<v Speaker 2>meant PM and said eight am, like, I mean, somebody
<v Speaker 2>needs to get five fucking out there that we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>have a Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm getting anxiety.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Mom, can I please get the day
<v Speaker 3>from school?
<v Speaker 11>No?
<v Speaker 3>No, you cannot to do?
<v Speaker 5>What to do?
<v Speaker 3>You want to go to the fake fights? You're gonna
<v Speaker 3>waste your time, skip school, skip your education for the
<v Speaker 3>fake fights? Fuck you? Oh my god. Um please, who's
<v Speaker 3>gonna take you? I'm not gonna take you. I have
<v Speaker 3>to watch my stories and your father's got work.
<v Speaker 17>Huh.
<v Speaker 3>Who's gonna take you?
<v Speaker 13>Not me?
<v Speaker 3>Moum, not me. You can buy the ticket, but I'm
<v Speaker 3>not gonna take you. What mom? No, And that's final.
<v Speaker 3>Talk to your father the fuck out of here. So
<v Speaker 3>go to the next card.
<v Speaker 4>Here.
<v Speaker 3>This is Gainesville.
<v Speaker 2>This is from October fourth, seventy seven Battle Royal. There's
<v Speaker 2>under the Giant and ten other men, which of course
<v Speaker 2>included super Destroyer, who's listed Further down here.
<v Speaker 3>Is including everybody on the that's listed on the card
<v Speaker 3>I know most likely.
<v Speaker 2>And there's a Sido's head and Steve Kern's head yep
<v Speaker 2>October second, seventy seven tail hassee under the Giant Battle
<v Speaker 2>Royal sideovers Rocky. This is where all these results come from.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, and these results books are these clippings
<v Speaker 2>like this. Here's a little little bit of editorializing.
<v Speaker 3>This is from the Sunday October Who's raal mata.
<v Speaker 2>Rau matta. He was a big Mexican draw in a
<v Speaker 2>lot of Southern states. Yeah, he was a round forever.
<v Speaker 2>He faced Super Destroyer here. That must have been an
<v Speaker 2>interesting one against Hulkgan. So here is the Tampa Tribune, Sunday,
<v Speaker 2>October ninth, nineteen seventy seven. Boss Morales beats Race, but
<v Speaker 2>title stays.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, indeed, Peter Morales defeated world champion Harley Race
<v Speaker 3>last night at the Bay Front Center, but won by
<v Speaker 3>this qualification, meaning right, Race keeps his crown. Lars Anderson
<v Speaker 3>defeated Don Morocco to retain the Florida title. Yes, Ivan
<v Speaker 3>Coloff captured the fifteen man Battle Royal, and Steve Kern
<v Speaker 3>defeated the Super Destroyer. Jerry Briscoe defeated Tank Patten, Mike
<v Speaker 3>Graham whipped Tony Marino. That's what it says.
<v Speaker 1>I like that.
<v Speaker 3>Hogan's Hogan's up two matches above Jerry Briscoe and Mike Graham.
<v Speaker 3>Good catch, good catch, yeap? So you get another one professional?
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Saint Pete Times October ninth, seventy seven.
<v Speaker 3>William Ruska. Ruska defeated Mike York, Charlie Kirk defeated dutch
<v Speaker 3>Man Tel, Buddy Roberts and Keith Frank defeated Raoul Matta
<v Speaker 3>and Don Serrano. Mike Graham defeated Tony Marino, Jerry Briscow
<v Speaker 3>defeated Tank Patton, Steve Kern defeated Super Destroyer, Ivan colf
<v Speaker 3>and Mister Saiito defeated Rocky Johnson and Terry Gibbs, Ivan
<v Speaker 3>colaf One fifteen Man Battle Royal, Lars Anderson defeated Don Morocco.
<v Speaker 3>Pedro Morales defeated Harley Race disqualification you very much. We
<v Speaker 3>moved to n AA Wrestling and w god so many.
<v Speaker 3>I'm loving how they don't fucking care? Is that a
<v Speaker 3>Who's that? To the right? Is that THEO Vaughn?
<v Speaker 2>Is that fucking Is that fucking like like Brokenholtz? Bruce
<v Speaker 2>Pritchard from fucking uh from from Blockers? How do you
<v Speaker 2>spell Pedro Morales?
<v Speaker 3>You tell me Pat Padre Morales. You know they wanted
<v Speaker 3>to say Padre Padre versus Lars Anders this Carner, the
<v Speaker 3>Florida Chapion Padre Morales, Amigo, my name is not Padre.
<v Speaker 3>That's what it says on my card. The cards never wrong.
<v Speaker 3>I don't care who you are.
<v Speaker 2>Well, the drawing card, the drawing card is never wrong.
<v Speaker 2>And he's telling you it's not Podro, because that would
<v Speaker 2>be fucking stupid if that was his name.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, Padre, just shit down all. I'm reading the cards. Padre,
<v Speaker 3>Padre is the way it is. Where can you get advanced?
<v Speaker 3>Where can you get advanced tickets for this? Advanced tickets
<v Speaker 3>on sale at North Fort Myers High School Arcade cigar store.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's send the kids at the fucking cigar store
<v Speaker 2>to get the tickets for the matches.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, while you're down, get me at one of my stogies.
<v Speaker 2>I'm fascinated by this being on a Tuesday night. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>at least at least it's at the night. At least
<v Speaker 2>at least it's at night this time. I'm not fucking
<v Speaker 2>eight thirty am Tuesdays when they ran the armory. Find
<v Speaker 2>me the hisstorally in Tampa must be. But there's still
<v Speaker 2>got other towns world. When you got Padro Morales, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>if you get out there, risco versus Patterson want to
<v Speaker 2>match that must have been Jerry bris Wow, Charlie Cochsbarti Rodgers,
<v Speaker 2>Will and Risko versus Super Destroyer and John Boy versus
<v Speaker 2>Tony Marino. Here at the North Fort Myers High School,
<v Speaker 2>imagine going like, I don't know, the principal's office to
<v Speaker 2>get the tickets, you know, ah to the matches tonight.
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's talking about it.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but you are currently under uh
<v Speaker 3>you know, you're you're on academic probation. You can't buy
<v Speaker 3>tickets right for this, You're not allowed to be there.
<v Speaker 3>You're on academic probation. Sir, You're not allowed to buy tickets.
<v Speaker 3>He says, all right, you're not allowed to do things
<v Speaker 3>at the school outside of your academic you know whatever.
<v Speaker 3>So and unfortunately you sailed to endeavors and you unfortunately
<v Speaker 3>you failed to classes, and therefore you are on academic probation,
<v Speaker 3>meaning you cannot have fun.
<v Speaker 2>And I meaning also that I am within my rights
<v Speaker 2>to kill you where you stand.
<v Speaker 3>I have and honestly, you know you did. You did
<v Speaker 3>cross the line literally by crossing the line into the
<v Speaker 3>principal's office. And when you are in academic probation, that
<v Speaker 3>is that is you know that can call for call
<v Speaker 3>for execution, excuse execution. All right, Well, at least we're
<v Speaker 3>at least we're fair and measured. Here this is and
<v Speaker 3>this is the way it's going to happen. And then
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to call him the super Destroyer and he's
<v Speaker 3>going to do it for me. Is that what you'd like, sir?
<v Speaker 3>Is that what you'd like? Would you like to be
<v Speaker 3>super destroyed? Sounds great, sounds scary at all? So we
<v Speaker 3>move ahead here.
<v Speaker 2>This is a little bit of clipping, so that one
<v Speaker 2>was from October ninth, seventy seven. This is October fourteenth,
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven in the Miami Herald. We've got late breaking
<v Speaker 2>news for the roads Race match. That's Hardley hartily anticipated.
<v Speaker 3>Roads Race counted out. Reprinted from late Thursday editions. Dussie
<v Speaker 3>Rose and Harley Race were both counted out for a
<v Speaker 3>no decision in the featured wrestling bout before three thousand
<v Speaker 3>and seventy seven fans at the Miami at the Miami
<v Speaker 3>Jai Al. That's Highlight.
<v Speaker 2>That's like a highlight racetrack betting thing the Miami Highlight
<v Speaker 2>Front and Wednesday Night in other bouts, paid Roe Morales
<v Speaker 2>and Rocky Johnson defeated Mister Saito and Ivan Colos.
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Brisco and Buddy Roberts wrestled to a draw. Pat
<v Speaker 3>Patterson defeated John Boy. Keith Franks defeated Raul Matta. The
<v Speaker 3>Super Gladiator defeated the Super Destroyer. Who was the Super Gladiator. Well,
<v Speaker 3>we just said I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that Mike Awesome used Glady elsewhere,
<v Speaker 2>but I wanted people to help me out with that.
<v Speaker 2>Let's see Super Gladiator wrestler Florida in nineteen seventies. Probably
<v Speaker 2>Ricky Hunter says here, I don't know if that's true
<v Speaker 2>or not. We're a full mask and had a Roman
<v Speaker 2>style gladiator gimmick playing a heel feuded with the likes
<v Speaker 2>of Dusty, Mike Graham, and Don Morocco. Sounds right tracks
<v Speaker 2>Ricky Hunter, who became enhancement talent in the eighties in
<v Speaker 2>WWF and worked under a mask as the Gladiator on WWFTV.
<v Speaker 2>According to AI, I don't know if that's true or not,
<v Speaker 2>but that's what we got. Thirty eight hundred fans WOW
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, October twelve, Wrestling of the Fort Lauderdale Guard
<v Speaker 2>Armory returned Florida Championship match Lars Anderson versus Don Morocco,
<v Speaker 2>Pat Patterson versus Mike Graham, John Boy.
<v Speaker 3>Vers Keith Franks. And there he is the Super Destroyer
<v Speaker 3>versus willelm. Ruska.
<v Speaker 2>We move ahead to October eighteen seventy seven. Clipping here
<v Speaker 2>Pat Patterson recibon cole Off. How about the two thousand
<v Speaker 2>dollars Silver Dollar Challenge match.
<v Speaker 3>Swait, They're gonna get two thousand silver dollars. A lot
<v Speaker 3>of silver dollars, Jesus Christ. And can you imagine like
<v Speaker 3>having a bag full of coins like that, just whacking
<v Speaker 3>someone in the head with it, no question. Look at
<v Speaker 3>this Jerry Briscoe works Super Destroyer. See that's what's weird
<v Speaker 3>is all these stories Jerry tells about this time period. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>he's always on the sidelines, observing. He never says I
<v Speaker 3>actually wrestled the guy. Now, just because it's advertised as
<v Speaker 3>happening in this boaster doesn't mean it takes place because
<v Speaker 3>it's listed at the Fort hesterally And according to Dusty
<v Speaker 3>at least a Hogan never worked the hesterally, and if
<v Speaker 3>you look at the results databases, he never worked asterally.
<v Speaker 3>But here's a Tuesday, October eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven event
<v Speaker 3>at the Hisstorally where Hogan is advertised to face Jerry Briscoe.
<v Speaker 3>Must have never happened. That must have been one of
<v Speaker 3>those phone calls that just didn't get through. Humbas.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of those books guts that both just failed
<v Speaker 2>to pass along. I'm not doing that shit for nobody,
<v Speaker 2>but to go through the trouble of putting him in
<v Speaker 2>the newspaper an advertisement is fascinating to me. But according
<v Speaker 2>to the results, this match never happened. October sixteenth, seventy seven.
<v Speaker 2>Another bit of newspaper clipping from Melbourne, Florida, where Rocky
<v Speaker 2>Johnson faces Lars Anderson and a tag team match Mike
<v Speaker 2>Graham and Steve Kern take on Tony Marino and Tank Patton,
<v Speaker 2>Raoul Monte vs. Don Serrano and Super Destroyer versus Super Gladiator.
<v Speaker 2>October sixteen, seventy seven. Tallahassie Democrat and a grudge match
<v Speaker 2>that'll be Pat Patterson teaming with Rocky Johnson against Ivan
<v Speaker 2>Coloff and Mister Ciuto. Don Morocco faces Tank Patten, Super
<v Speaker 2>Gladiator versus Tony Marino and Yes, Super Destroyer versus Charlie Cook.
<v Speaker 2>A couple of clippings here, This one Boss from the Tuesday,
<v Speaker 2>October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy seven issue of the Tampa Tribune.
<v Speaker 3>We're out of Lakeland. I'm sorry, give me the date again.
<v Speaker 3>I missed it. Oh, here we go, never mind, I
<v Speaker 3>passed it. Uh. Anderson keeps wrestling title. Lars Anderson retained
<v Speaker 3>his Florida heavyweight wrestling title here Saturday night, when Dusty
<v Speaker 3>Rhodes was disqualified. In the Lakeland Civic Center Arena feature
<v Speaker 3>bow Ivan col Off with a C and Mister Saiito
<v Speaker 3>defeated Pat Patterson and Don Morocco, while Jerry Briscoe and
<v Speaker 3>Mike Graham beat Keith Franks and quote Dutch unquote Mantel
<v Speaker 3>quote Rocky unquote Johnson beat quote Buddy quote Brock.
<v Speaker 2>I think we know who's the editor of this one's name.
<v Speaker 3>The fucking real names. Those are not their fucking real names.
<v Speaker 3>You will rot the quotes against body quotes Sack by
<v Speaker 3>the way, quote Dusty unquote Rose by the way. I
<v Speaker 3>forgot to put that one. Oh that's sick. Yeah, they
<v Speaker 3>did cover it. They do not fucking call them. These
<v Speaker 3>are not real names. Can I believe they put quotes
<v Speaker 3>around it. I love it, Tony Marino defeat downed. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I thought it's a drowned from.
<v Speaker 2>Thank god they are a synonym for defeated. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what I would have done. Thank God they didn't
<v Speaker 2>put a typo on that one, right, Tony Marino. That'd
<v Speaker 2>have been a bit that should have been a page,
<v Speaker 2>one that wouldn't have been on a that wouldn't have
<v Speaker 2>been in the little block on the sports section here.
<v Speaker 2>But can I just ask you, living in Tampa opening
<v Speaker 2>the paper looking for the results with your index finger, like,
<v Speaker 2>can you tell me that that's not a better way
<v Speaker 2>to live?
<v Speaker 3>You're looking your thumb, you know, going to the next page.
<v Speaker 3>It's like my grandmother used to do when you read
<v Speaker 3>me a story.
<v Speaker 2>But the fact that they've printed him, even if it's
<v Speaker 2>a little small half column inch like yep, the fact
<v Speaker 2>that they printed him and people turned to the newspaper
<v Speaker 2>every day to see who won the wrestling matches in
<v Speaker 2>their local circuit. Okay, there were people who were interested,
<v Speaker 2>people who would call phone the sports editor if the
<v Speaker 2>wrestling results were missing from that day's Tampa trip.
<v Speaker 4>No no, no, no, no no.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was Dusty was wrestling Lars Anderson for
<v Speaker 2>the Florida title last night, and I can't trust the
<v Speaker 2>Tampa Tribune to tell me if Dusty is my new
<v Speaker 2>Florida Heavyweight champion.
<v Speaker 3>You'll understand there that they're the people are on the
<v Speaker 3>edge of their seats.
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's what That's what happens. That's what the caller
<v Speaker 2>says to the editor. You understand that the people are
<v Speaker 2>on the edge of their seats like.
<v Speaker 3>You fucking you fucking gidding me. You're on the edge
<v Speaker 3>of your seat waiting to know a fucking fake result.
<v Speaker 3>That's what you're waiting for.
<v Speaker 2>Imagine that you call the trip to find out who
<v Speaker 2>won is You know it's not real, right, ma'am?
<v Speaker 3>You know that this ship is fake. You know that
<v Speaker 3>there's no real Florida Heavyweight Champion. It's not a real thing.
<v Speaker 3>Nobody fucking wins that ship. People are awarded that because
<v Speaker 3>the script dictated it. And you want me to sit
<v Speaker 3>here and and take up energy and time and calling it.
<v Speaker 3>You want me to indulge you in this fucking fantasy.
<v Speaker 3>Where where is it any say anywhere that I'm obligated
<v Speaker 3>to do that. It's propaganda. This is propaganda. Wow, all right,
<v Speaker 3>and you're falling for you're a fucking idiot. That's what
<v Speaker 3>you get for calling the paper, the reader, the subscription,
<v Speaker 3>the customer. This guy screams that his customer are marks
<v Speaker 3>more than pro wrestlers did uh Don Serrano beat quote
<v Speaker 3>John Boy unquote, Charlie Cook beat quote, super destroyer unquote
<v Speaker 3>super destroyers both words and quotes. His first name isn't
<v Speaker 3>super Wait hold on, I mean this is a different
<v Speaker 3>person I don't know. And Pedro Gonzalez, there's no way,
<v Speaker 3>there's no way that he just called Pedro Morales, Pedro Gonzalez,
<v Speaker 3>Pedro Gonzale. That's definitely the LABS editor purposely doing any
<v Speaker 3>only fifty three seconds to flatten quote tank unquote pattern.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Pedro Gonzalez, tremendous stuff. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 3>this poor man, Padre Podro, Pedro Gonzales. That's what we
<v Speaker 3>do with the las, all lost in the wrestling lore
<v Speaker 3>like anybody else. But then we bring it back to
<v Speaker 3>earth by conveying to you how it was covered to
<v Speaker 3>normal people and how seriously it was or was not.
<v Speaker 3>They don't care, hope.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think anybody issued a spelling correction the next
<v Speaker 2>day for Ivan cole Off.
<v Speaker 6>I hope not.
<v Speaker 3>Do you think anyone said that his name is Morales?
<v Speaker 3>I don't fucking care.
<v Speaker 2>Can you picture? I mean, this must have been typed
<v Speaker 2>up by some like intern at like twelve thirty at
<v Speaker 2>night just to get it in the next day's paper.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like taking the time to put quotes around
<v Speaker 2>Dusty and Rocky and John.
<v Speaker 3>Because his editor is sitting over his shoulder.
<v Speaker 4>What it is?
<v Speaker 3>Yep, just a picture. That name is not real. That
<v Speaker 3>name is not real. You put a fucking quote around
<v Speaker 3>that name.
<v Speaker 2>We have a if you don't, we have editorial integrity
<v Speaker 2>here at the Tribune.
<v Speaker 3>If you don't put a fucking quote around that name,
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to strangle you to death with one fucking hind.
<v Speaker 4>Do it.
<v Speaker 3>We're I'll fucking kill you. Is it real? Or are
<v Speaker 3>you selling a circus? I ain't selling nothing but papers. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>great line that has to be in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Because some guy comes in and tries to explain to
<v Speaker 2>the editor like what selling is and how what these
<v Speaker 2>guys do is kind of an art form. The only
<v Speaker 2>thing I do anything I'm interested in selling is papers. Well,
<v Speaker 2>in fairness, sir, I mean, if that's all you're interested in,
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of people in our readership that
<v Speaker 2>are really interested in professional wrestling and want to know
<v Speaker 2>who won the matches, not real peace. So if all
<v Speaker 2>you're interested in is selling paper.
<v Speaker 3>Something, let me tell you something. All right, you listen,
<v Speaker 3>you shut the fuck up, you listen to me. If that,
<v Speaker 3>if those people they want to buy my newspaper, they're
<v Speaker 3>not going to get their fucking fake results. They can
<v Speaker 3>buy some of the newspaper that's going to lie to them.
<v Speaker 3>You know what, I'll reach a compromise. That's fine. The
<v Speaker 3>backpage of the sports section in seat of sport to
<v Speaker 3>the top, you know what's gonna say, fake theater, fake
<v Speaker 3>sports theater. Pretend we have it. We'll have a theater
<v Speaker 3>two sections. A theater section in the right section. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>there'll be a theater. They'll tell you what. There'll be
<v Speaker 3>a theater section where we talk about all the plays
<v Speaker 3>and the musicals going on. And then the very last page,
<v Speaker 3>at the very asshole of the fucking newspaper, we'll have
<v Speaker 3>theater two and to give you.
<v Speaker 2>An idea, give an idea how it would read. I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to take this article right here from October twenty fifth,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to rewrite it for you in the
<v Speaker 2>style that we plan to use in the theater section.
<v Speaker 2>So for example, it'll read Anderson keeps wrestling title Lakeland.
<v Speaker 2>And the thing it'll say is it'll say in the
<v Speaker 2>first sentence, the script writers at Florida Championship Wrestling decided
<v Speaker 2>that Lars Anderson would retain his Florida Heavyweight title here
<v Speaker 2>Saturday night, okay, at the at.
<v Speaker 3>The Florida Championship Wrestling Theater Company. All right, on this
<v Speaker 3>stage scripted Lars Anderson followed the script it just to victory.
<v Speaker 3>Imagine that os Anderson was scripted to win his wrestling
<v Speaker 3>match because it's not real lead sentence, because it's it's
<v Speaker 3>They didn't even they didn't like father to explain what
<v Speaker 3>they mean by it's it's not real. People are like,
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck is this?
<v Speaker 14>Like?
<v Speaker 2>Between you see whe's his Tampa Tribune and where it
<v Speaker 2>says Anderson keeps just between that, Just hit enter a
<v Speaker 2>couple of times and insert the word scripted and then
<v Speaker 2>underline it just as a subhask.
<v Speaker 3>Scripted Anderson keeps. That'll be in quotes. Maybe it won't
<v Speaker 3>be actor Anderson keeps wrestling title. Well, maybe we'll.
<v Speaker 2>Get some more, some more editorial integrity on the on
<v Speaker 2>the right side of the page. Here this is the
<v Speaker 2>same day, October twenty fifth, seventy seven. But this is
<v Speaker 2>the Ledger newspaper and their coverage. I don't see any
<v Speaker 2>quick with the Patriot Ledger. No, I don't think so,
<v Speaker 2>just the Ledger. In Florida, Lars Anderson defends his heavyweight title.
<v Speaker 2>Lars Anderson successfully defended his Florida Heavyweight championship Saturday night
<v Speaker 2>at the Lakeland Civic Center when his opponent, Dusty Quote
<v Speaker 2>the American Dreams Road That's fine Yes, was disqualified for
<v Speaker 2>heaving the champ over the top of the top ring
<v Speaker 2>ropes before a record crowd of over four thousand cheering
<v Speaker 2>wrestling fans. The tough twosome of Ivan Cole off with
<v Speaker 2>a C Japan's Mister Saito, out manned the tag team
<v Speaker 2>of Pat Patty. You can never out man Pat Patterson.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 3>Pat Patterson. Don Morocco. It took the barefooted Pedro Morales. Yep. See,
<v Speaker 3>we can definitely guarantee that it's not a different guy.
<v Speaker 3>It's a different guy. It is Pedro Morales and Pedro Gonzales,
<v Speaker 3>same guy.
<v Speaker 2>It's not like he's one of the biggest stars in
<v Speaker 2>the business in Madison Square Garden in New City.
<v Speaker 3>I mean also, it's not like it's, you know what,
<v Speaker 3>like the nineteen sixties and he's just breaking in or something.
<v Speaker 3>This is nineteen seventy seven, all right, Like he's in
<v Speaker 3>his prime right now. God, that took the barefooted Pedro
<v Speaker 3>Morales just fifty two ticks of the clock to whip
<v Speaker 3>Tank Patten, who just returned from a tour of the Orient. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Rocky Johnson destroyed Buddy Roberts in a wild and wooly
<v Speaker 3>match that lasted the fifteen minute time limit and other
<v Speaker 3>exciting bouts. Jerry Briscoe and Mike Graham team together to
<v Speaker 3>destroy the combo of Keith Franks and Dutch Mantel. Tony Marino,
<v Speaker 3>better known as the Italian Stallion, defeated Raoul Mottka Modka
<v Speaker 3>What is Modka Motka Latte now right, While Charlie Cook,
<v Speaker 3>formerly of the Pittsburgh Steelers, quipped Super Destroyer Wrestling will
<v Speaker 3>return to the Civic Center on Saturday, November twelfth.
<v Speaker 2>So that Charlie Cook was the Steeler. Huh so, Hull Cogan.
<v Speaker 2>What NFL player did Hull Cogan wrestle in his first
<v Speaker 2>year in the business. That's another great trivia question. We
<v Speaker 2>should come out trivia book at the end of this.
<v Speaker 2>That would be oh seriously, it would be a lot
<v Speaker 2>of fun. I'm seeing here he briefly played football briefly. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter, you know, come on, in wrestling, it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. It's like they always fucking make a big
<v Speaker 2>deal out of you know, somebody, you know, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Brisco was like, wow, he played he played NFL football
<v Speaker 2>for a while, Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, bullshit, you know you're
<v Speaker 2>looking up. And he never even he never even took right.
<v Speaker 3>He never even fucking right exactly, just sat on the
<v Speaker 3>bench for fucking two games.
<v Speaker 2>So that there's an example of how two competing papers
<v Speaker 2>in Florida would have covered the same match results. One
<v Speaker 2>is incredibly insulting and.
<v Speaker 3>The other one is not right right, you can's absolutely hilarious.
<v Speaker 2>Let's move ahead to the offending paper. This one is
<v Speaker 2>the Tampa Trip October twenty fifth, seventy seven. Uh In
<v Speaker 2>this I believe continues the article you were just reading.
<v Speaker 3>The feud that has erupted between Pat Patterson and Ivankolav
<v Speaker 3>will go a step further tonight when the two meet
<v Speaker 3>in a steel cage match to headline the Professional Wrestling
<v Speaker 3>Action tonight at the Fort Homer Pasterly Armory. I think
<v Speaker 3>he said tonight twice in that sentence. But that's fine, actually,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm sorry it's actually to Nignant the second one
<v Speaker 3>action to Nignant at Ford.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, they're doing great. They they got their shit
<v Speaker 2>together at the Tampa Tribune.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Lars Anderson, who has already won two thousand dollars
<v Speaker 3>from Rocky Johnson playing poker, we'll playing poker, said, I
<v Speaker 3>miss that. That was really good. We'll put his Florida
<v Speaker 3>title on the line against John Onson. Oh my god.
<v Speaker 3>As the two meet again, Tank Paton wrestles Don Morocco,
<v Speaker 3>Charlie Cook will test mister Saiito in what math? I
<v Speaker 3>know English test?
<v Speaker 4>What is it?
<v Speaker 3>Peter Morales bafteles Tony Marino. I can't handle the typos.
<v Speaker 3>Fun it's a stark reminder Florida Love wrestling man. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>Bafteles Tony Marino. Another match is Jerry Brisco tackles Keith
<v Speaker 3>Franks raul Matta goes against Buddy roberts Don. Serrano and
<v Speaker 3>the Super Gladiator will team against the Super Destroyer and
<v Speaker 3>Dutch Mantel and the eight thirty Opener be there. It's unreal.
<v Speaker 3>I love it. Unbelievable, Oh my god. So we move
<v Speaker 3>forward Fort Latterdale, October twenty six. Look, look, look look
<v Speaker 3>at that fucking look at the Look at the fucking
<v Speaker 3>math tutor here, look at her? Is who Graham? Graham?
<v Speaker 3>Look at him? What a fucking I'm sorry. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>Steve Kurn looks no better, honestly, but like, actually, Steve
<v Speaker 3>Kerl looks like the student that Mike Graham is teaching. Awful, awful.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just looking like at this guy that like is
<v Speaker 2>so in Hogan's head, and I know how funny that is, Like.
<v Speaker 3>Like, this is the guy you're worried about, this fucking bozo.
<v Speaker 3>I mean's fucking weep. Even let me tell you something,
<v Speaker 3>even even Super Destroyer is a better name than Mike Graham.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's hilarious. Is this is his real name? Though?
<v Speaker 3>It's not like hell, I just shows it. No, no,
<v Speaker 3>I know, but I'm saying, like, but but what I'm saying,
<v Speaker 3>is that, like, you know, like, why are you intimidated
<v Speaker 3>by this goof Yeah, you know, it's a really good question.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's hilarious to me that this guy has caused
<v Speaker 3>Hulk Hogan so much insecurity. Yeah, in his early days
<v Speaker 3>so much.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the guy chucked every single thing up that
<v Speaker 2>happened to him as Mike Graham thinking about him, and like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the truth is always they're not thinking about
<v Speaker 2>you anywhere near as much as you think. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>just looking at him and yep, try and I'm trying
<v Speaker 2>to deal with with his reality, the reality that he's
<v Speaker 2>going to be part of this. Yes, So this show
<v Speaker 2>at the Fort Lauder Deal Armory was Kern and Graham
<v Speaker 2>against Roberts and Keith Franks, morocco Vers, Tank Patten, Charlie
<v Speaker 2>Coke was toting Reno John Boyver Super Destroyer. There it
<v Speaker 2>is so there it is Coco National Guard Armory. This
<v Speaker 2>is from Coco, Florida, December twenty ninth, Cocoa Beach, Florida.
<v Speaker 2>I mean where the home of Rick the model Artel.
<v Speaker 2>I guess so I'm looking, Oh my god, he was
<v Speaker 2>from there.
<v Speaker 3>That's where he's from. Cocoa Beach, Florida.
<v Speaker 2>So it's bad Le Roy Brown here in our main
<v Speaker 2>event taking on Many Fernandez, Florida title for Southern title
<v Speaker 2>Steve Kern.
<v Speaker 3>And is that who's it? No, it's not who.
<v Speaker 2>He didn't really he didn't really do much. He was
<v Speaker 2>I think he actually called himself the Junkyard Dog before
<v Speaker 2>j y D did.
<v Speaker 3>No Hyeah.
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of what I could say, because
<v Speaker 2>it was like a he was like a song lyric too.
<v Speaker 2>There was like a song badly Roy Brown. That gets
<v Speaker 2>uh get that? That further confuses the issue. That's where
<v Speaker 2>he took his ring name from. But I'm trying to
<v Speaker 2>think of like what he would have done that you'd
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, it's that guy.
<v Speaker 3>He did.
<v Speaker 2>He did work for Fritz. I think he was even
<v Speaker 2>on one of the shows we did in the Lamentable Tragedy,
<v Speaker 2>like those early eighties ones. He was in the Zambui
<v Speaker 2>Express tag team with Ray Candy.
<v Speaker 3>They wore like.
<v Speaker 2>Fatigues in the ring. I'm just looking through some of
<v Speaker 2>the stuff, but I don't think he never Okay, he
<v Speaker 2>worked for UWF when they were on TBS Bill Watts,
<v Speaker 2>but that was about it. He died in eighty eight,
<v Speaker 2>so he didn't really have a chance to have a
<v Speaker 2>seat at the table for Wow. Yeah, Space seem in
<v Speaker 2>the main event though I didn't know he would have
<v Speaker 2>been top of the card up there.
<v Speaker 3>But all right, So.
<v Speaker 2>Steve Cronin Bubba Douglas against nature Boy Lane and I'm
<v Speaker 2>not sure that is that's Dan Lane, I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>and Byron Saint John. This is a curious card they have.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of funny because I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 3>we've seen a lot of the same names for the
<v Speaker 3>most part, but these are got a bunch of new
<v Speaker 3>names that we have not I've seen before. Right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's like they're almost cooperating with like a different like
<v Speaker 3>a different office almost the show, right, Super Destroyer against
<v Speaker 3>Rick Oliver, Terry Taylor on the card against Gordon. So
<v Speaker 3>that's the for now.
<v Speaker 2>That's the extent of the clippings as we reached the
<v Speaker 2>end of nineteen seventy seven, and it's it's there's a
<v Speaker 2>reason while Hulk Cogan has sort of hooked on the
<v Speaker 2>business at this point, you know, it doesn't it doesn't
<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean the business is hooked on him. Not quite yet, right,
<v Speaker 2>and as far as Briscoe when he sizes up what
<v Speaker 2>he sees after all these years, thinking back on these
<v Speaker 2>formative days, for all intents and purposes, he still sees
<v Speaker 2>the same guy.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, yeah, I tell you, I mean to this day.
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I don't think Terry has has changed in
<v Speaker 7>his personality. People see different things, you know, but I
<v Speaker 7>still see that really nice South Tampa boy, and he
<v Speaker 7>meant Terry.
<v Speaker 4>We don't.
<v Speaker 7>I don't communicate with Terry every week or ever month,
<v Speaker 7>but sometimes I'll just be sent and watching a football game.
<v Speaker 7>I'll get a call, Hey, you watching this game, good
<v Speaker 7>game or some playing, and he'll just call him, just
<v Speaker 7>bullshit and just check in, say how you doing and
<v Speaker 7>all that stuff. And so to me, I mean, even
<v Speaker 7>with all the fame and everything, he's still that guy
<v Speaker 7>that I talked to that first week wanting them get
<v Speaker 7>in the business.
<v Speaker 4>So it's amazing, Yo.
<v Speaker 2>Well we know, boss, that Terry isn't looking to still
<v Speaker 2>be that South Tampa boy. No, he's got bigger visions
<v Speaker 2>of the world knowing him as something other than Terry Bulea.
<v Speaker 2>And even in his old bandmate Anthony Borcello could see
<v Speaker 2>that when Terry would come back around after getting into
<v Speaker 2>the wrestling ring. In fact, Borcella recalled to our friend
<v Speaker 2>Brad Bluccian that Terry would poke his head around, poke
<v Speaker 2>his head back in throughout the music scene when Barcella
<v Speaker 2>was still out there trying to make it after the
<v Speaker 2>dissolution of Ruckus, and one of these times when Terry
<v Speaker 2>comes back around, Barcello simply cannot believe what he sees.
<v Speaker 15>And then and then he comes back, and then he's
<v Speaker 15>the big old and he must beat three hundred pounds.
<v Speaker 15>I was playing in a big club called Robic Connie's
<v Speaker 15>in Tampa. He came and saw me play there, and
<v Speaker 15>he was just fucking huge.
<v Speaker 17>Man.
<v Speaker 4>I saw him. I was just flipped out. I was like,
<v Speaker 4>what are you doing? Yeah, Dina Ball, I don't.
<v Speaker 9>Know what the hell they were doing.
<v Speaker 15>So he goes and he's I take my son to
<v Speaker 15>the armory in Tampa, and Dusty Rhodes beats him up.
<v Speaker 4>He's got a mask on. Dusty Road beats him.
<v Speaker 15>Up in there, carrying him out the thing, and Anthony's
<v Speaker 15>standing there my son Terry.
<v Speaker 9>He thought he was really hurt, and Terry's going.
<v Speaker 4>Right, so they're dragging him off.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, but the body didn't tell the same story that
<v Speaker 2>Terry's mannerisms did. The look on his face when he
<v Speaker 2>came back to visit Anthony. Anthony could tell his old
<v Speaker 2>bandmate wasn't sure about this latest run either.
<v Speaker 15>And he'd come back into town and see me playing
<v Speaker 15>these clubs, playing bass, and he was like, you know,
<v Speaker 15>and I could tell that it wasn't going well. You know,
<v Speaker 15>he wasn't making money and nothing was happening, and he
<v Speaker 15>was still trying trying, you know, and.
<v Speaker 4>He broke up with the girlfriend.
<v Speaker 15>He was focused on that wrestling then, you know, instead
<v Speaker 15>of music. He was supposed to go on wreck with wrestling,
<v Speaker 15>and he kept trying, kept trying, kept trying, till finally
<v Speaker 15>he caught that break in WWF or whatever. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 15>when it happened for him. But I mean he was like,
<v Speaker 15>I Tooya was playing at the huge club in town.
<v Speaker 15>I was in the house band and playing bass, and
<v Speaker 15>he came in and he was like as he looked
<v Speaker 15>like the thing. He was so big and muscular. He
<v Speaker 15>was like a solid wall with legs cliffed on. I
<v Speaker 15>saw the holy shit, he was like two of the
<v Speaker 15>old Terry right, and still you know, I could see
<v Speaker 15>it in his face that he was not he was
<v Speaker 15>not making it.
<v Speaker 7>You know, he was not happy.
<v Speaker 15>I was happy just to be up there running around
<v Speaker 15>on his steat.
<v Speaker 3>Was not wow happy. Anthony could see it.
<v Speaker 2>Enough of the being on the road for twenty five
<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars payoff and you're driving for free, and all
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the guys in the are piling.
<v Speaker 3>Into your car.
<v Speaker 2>You're in the area for three or four hours, and
<v Speaker 2>you're driving another four hours, putting in twelve hours making
<v Speaker 2>twenty five bucks. And he's young, he's big. He knows
<v Speaker 2>that he can go to the gym and make more
<v Speaker 2>money at a gym than he can wrestling for Terry
<v Speaker 2>bulla aboss and listeners of The Complete Hulk cog and
<v Speaker 2>it was time for a new way to escape that
<v Speaker 2>dreaded Port Tampa fate and to hook back up with
<v Speaker 2>that kid ed Leslie who looked up to him or
<v Speaker 2>so many years before, and who they used to leave
<v Speaker 2>hanging at the beach. Boss, I ask you in conclusion
<v Speaker 2>this week, are you familiar with the phrase bodybuilders have
<v Speaker 2>more meat and stay hard longer? I am, now, Well,
<v Speaker 2>that's next time on The Complete Hulk coach
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