Ep:87 Sasquatch Apex Predator with Shane Corson

Right across the road there's a logging gate. Two different loggers. Both these
individuals had seen what they would describe as a Sasquatch or sasquatch family walking past
this gate at around three o'clock in the morning. I put a game camera
on the back of the bumper of my travel trailer, and then I put
another one on my wheel well. For about two weeks, I got these
two doughs that would come onto the property. Every day. I would get
a coyote. Occasionally i'd get a raccoon, the usual suspects. I would
get them almost daily, the same same steacy, same animals, day in
and day out. It was about two o'clock in the morning on you know,
two and a half weeks in that my wife woke me up. We're
in our travel trailer and she goes, hey, there's something outside missing with
our cooler. So I said, oh, shoot, I bitch, it's
a black bear. Well, I'll get up the next morning, and I'm
curious as to what was captured on my cameras. The one on the wheel
well had been triggered but didn't capture anything. And then I reviewed the one
that was on the back of the bumper of the travel trailer. I see
a flash something walk right by it. You know, I'm about one eighty
just under six feet. This was much bigger than me. The really interesting
thing to me is this, after walking past my camera. For the next
two weeks, I didn't get nothing. No animals were coming into that area.
Everything vacated, there was nothing. I'd let my cameras out there,
hoping I'd get better footage, better video. Nothing. I didn't get any
animals. But after about two weeks that's when I started getting the doze back,
the raccoon, the coyotes, and a possum. To me that they
kind of painted a picture in my mind that maybe there was a you know,
if it was sasquatch or not, it was apex predator in that area
that chased everything off. I'd like to welcome mister Shane Courson to Bigfoot Crossroads.
Shane. Man, this is kind of crazy to me that this is
sort of the first time that we're really getting to talk voice to voice.
I think it's happened one other time in the past, you know, on
like that Apple hangout thing that they did for a little while. But how
you doing, man, I'm doing good. Now, I'm doing really good.
Thanks for having me on. You know, I know you're one of
the most longstanding podcasts out there, so it's a pleasure being here. But
I'm doing well. Thank you. Just to kind of catch everybody up to
speed with your background and everything. So, how did you get from Scotland
if I'm not mistaken to the Olympic Project. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I moved over here from Scotland in ninety three. It wasn't until about ninety
seven, having been very interested in the sasquatch phenomenon, that I you know,
ninety seven, I graduated high school, I got you know, I
had wheels by the end, so I started traveling around northern California, southern
California. Eventually, you know, I'm doing a little bit of research down
there, or what I called research at the time. And then I met
my wife and moved up to Oregon in two thousand and eight and continued my
passion for looking into the phenomena. And then eventually, you know, around
twenty twelve, it's when I met Derek Randall's of the Olympic Project, went
on one of his public expeditions and up in the Olympics at the op property
and we just hit it off off the bat became friends. He asked me
to, you know, since we're so like minded and we're passionate about the
outdoors and hiking, and we had the same kind of ideas and goals,
to be a part of the Olympic project. And that's basically you know,
I mean, I'm actually pretty much I'm a co runner of the olymp Project
right now alongside Derek and David Ellis and a few others. So that's how
I basically, uh, you know, jumping on an expedition with Derek and
enjoying what they were, you know, the only project was doing, going
about their their research. I was. I was rather taken back, and
so I was very very happy to be brought on onto the olynt project.
Back then, was that your first like foray into the field looking for Bigfoot?
Was that trip? No? No, you know, I I when
I was in southern California, I lived out of I lived out of San
Diego, East County, San Diego, and you know, I, like
I said before, I would venture out to places like the San Bernardinos Cleveland
National Forest, areas like Palm or Mountain. I had a wild, and
eventually I started heading north towards places like this year, as in Yosemite,
which Yosemite was one of my absolute and still his favorite spots to go.
I spent a lot of time out there hiking, exploring, backpacking, and
never really came across anything of significance, a lot of bear But two thousand
and eight, when I moved up to Oregon, I continued on getting out
to the woods, exploring, especially around the mount Hood National Forests that area,
and then also a little bit later on the Killamook Forest which is on
closer to the coast of Oregon. But as far as you know, that
was basically running solo. I didn't know anybody. I didn't go out with
groups saying correspond with anybody. Two thousand and eight, I think that's kind
of when Facebook really started. I started reaching out to you know, all
these groups were forming Bigfoot groups, and I started reaching out and asking questions
and sharing some of my ideas. And twenty twelve those you know, when
I went on that public expedition, so when I actually got to meet some
of the people I've heard about, like Derek Randall's and David Ellis and Cliff
Brickman and those guys. It's when I got to kind of know them.
And so as far as group outings or a team effort, that was my
first foray into that, But I had been doing stuff solo for quite a
while. We have a mutual friend, Todd Hill. He's been on the
show and he kind of had a similar story about how he kind of got
involved in the big footing me and everything, and it just, you know,
it's kind of to me, it's a big deal. Like you guys
just both like the names you're like rattling off on your like first, you
know, real bigfoot outing with a group and everything. It's just kind of
crazy. You know where those people are at now and how they're viewed and
everything, and you know, you're definitely kind of within that same group.
Those are now peers. Are Are you ever kind of taken back by the
fact that you know some of those big names in the bigfoot world that you
talked to at one point on Facebook now those are your peers and comrades.
Absolutely, I mean great point now. You know, I remember when I
was grew up in Scotland, you know, I read about the Patterson Gamlin
film and watched the film itself, and never in my wildest dreams that I
know that one day I'd be hanging out with Bob Gimlin and call him a
friend. And you know, as an example, but you know, you
know, Todd Hill is another, a great example of a guy that was
doing research in southern California and California in general, and never in my I
just didn't know anybody that was doing that down there. You know. I
read about stuff, you know, historical stuff, but you know, and
so now hered Hale and I are now both probably went product and getting to
you know, Derrick Randalls and uh, doctor Jeff Meldrum, you know,
the late John doctor John Bindernagel, all these guys that I had read about
and watched on films and flicks, and to to be able to get out
in the field with them or be in their person, it was. It's
still it still to this day, it shocks me, you know how from
where I came from to where I'm at now. Yeah, it's it's it's,
uh, it's an amazing thing, you know. And I don't want
to overplay names or anything, you know, I mean, all these individuals,
you know, are wonderful people, great researchers, uh, you know,
and and I got my hats off to people like doctor Jeff Meldrum and
and those those in academia that I get the call friend and get to correspond
with and have met and and run ideas by. It's an absolutely stunning thing
to me, to the point where I just sometimes it's it's not overwhelming,
but it's just I'm kind of kind of in awe of how everything's transpired over
the years. And I don't take any of that for granted. It's a
special thing. I think the whole personal aspect gets lost a lot. You
know, people like to hear the bigfoot stories and then on the internet there's
a lot of focus on, you know, well, what's the research and
you know, show me your evidence and things like that, but we forget
that at the end of the day, we're all people and that, like,
you know, it's just kind of weird. This past week, I've
been reflecting on a lot of things involving like bigfoot research as a social community
and like how it's evolved over the years, as to like the directions that
it's led and everything, and just thinking back on some of my own,
you know, relationships with different people and stuff, and it's just kind of
crazy. You know, Like I grew up reading books on the subject,
and a lot of those books, you know, we're by Lauren Coleman.
Yeah, and then like eventually it got to the point where I'm like,
you know, sliding in Lauren Coleman's dms, like talking to him, and
it's just like, man, this is crazy. You know, there's not
too many communities in the world where you can like do that and experience that,
and it's just kind of I just wanted to get your take on it,
because I mean, you're out there with some heavy hitters on the Pacific
Northwest area, and it's just something that, like I said, oftentimes I
think gets forgotten about and overlooked. I mean, calling Bob Gimlan your friend.
You know, he's part of the biggest historical piece of Bigfoot ever.
Yeah, and he's just also a guy at the end of the day,
just a dude. No, well said, well said, you know,
it's no absolutely well said. You know. I mean at Dan and Dade.
You know what I love about a lot of these people is they don't
have an ego. Is if you have an ego in this field, then
I really, I really don't want anything to do with you, you know,
because I sure don't. I'm just an average guide trying to do it,
you know, trying to study something extraordinary, and uh you know,
that's that's why I surround myself with people with no egos and uh are even
for the right regions, have the same goal, same agenda, the same
ideas, and it's just it's just it's so fascinating extraordinary that, you know,
I'm very blessed in the fact that I can do that with some of
the biggest names. And then of course there's a lot of people that don't
don't they don't you know, public that don't want to be out there in
in in the public eye, and they're they're amazing individuals, but they're just
solid, grounded individuals. And that's that's why I love about the subject matter,
you know, because I can do it when I want to do it
and how I want to do it. There's no rules and there's no guidelines,
you know, and it's it's it's just it's a true it's a you
know, it's an absolute passion and absolute passion and a fun one. What's
going on with the nest site. I haven't heard anything about the nest site
in a while. A few things after Todd was on the show. I
know a couple rumblings and we'll get onto that, but any advances. Is
it still ongoing? What's what's the deal? Oh? Absolutely, you know,
it's it's It's practically the reason I moved up to Washington State from Oregon
because when we were introduced to these we did not find these nests. They
were introduced to us, as most people know, through a timber surveyor and
eventually the owner of the property. But it's definitely it's definitely ongoing, you
know. I mean the nests, I mean themselves are long degraded, even
the new one Todd Hill and I came across back in twenty twenty. It's
I mean, there's nothing left. Nature takes over rather quickly between you know,
the animals and then just the environments and the weather. But we're constantly
in this area. It's probably it is definitely our main focus area. It's
a big area and so we're constantly monitoring it. We're camping out there.
The main thing we've been up to in this area as of late, it's
just placing long term audio units out there s M fours, which is a
professional bioacoustical, very extensive recording device that that you know, professional biologists use
to place in areas to record everything from bats to birds and known animal life.
And so Chris Spencer has taken the helm at purchasing a few of these.
I think he's now got three of them, if I'm not mistaken,
and we have a couple of them and some other long term audio devices that
are a lot cheaper, much easier to put together and leave out, but
they record up upwards of you know, two to three months, very non
intrusive, and so we've for the last two years have been going out and
placing these recorders out there, leaving them and then servicing them. And by
servicing them, I mean going back and changing batteries and SD cards and then
keeping them running. And so for the last two years, that's what we've
done, recording every single night for the past two years, you know,
basically evening till dawn and documenting every everything, every known animal. And in
occasionally we get some of these unknowns as we call the more suspects, sounds
that you know, we possibly attribute to sasquatch, whether it's percussives or long
howls or whoops or whistles or movement very close to the recorder, especially if
it's bipedal. But we documented and we have, you know, with the
help of squatchro Metrics. You can find squat fro Metrics on Instagram and on
Facebook. He's a statistical analysis expert by trade. That's what he does within
the soccer world or football as they call in New York because he's European,
he's English, and so he We would send Chris Wood vet the audio visually
through a spectrogram, you know, bring the audio back the SD cards,
review the audio, which is very very tedious, and record everything from kyotes
to ravens to a bear to elk deer, you name it. Everything was
really you know, drotted down and categorized in spreadsheets, and the spreadsheets were
put together by squatser Metrics. And that's one of the most exciting things I
think we've done. I don't know if anybody's done that before. You know,
basically recorded every single night for two years, and it really it was
a really fascinating study. We're still recording in this area. We're still catalog
stuff. We're kind of done with the spreadsheet thing at the moments, I
think we got a good idea of what's possibly going on in this area at
times and what's not going on. But it is, it is. It
is one of those things where you know, by documenting everything in this area,
you know, over and over again and getting really really familiar with the
known animals, that when you have something that jumps out as a suspect sound,
and like I said before, whether that's a vocal or percussa, but
such as a knock, it actually is pretty amazing that I used to think
in my head that if sasquatches in this area, this particular area that you
know, they weren't around all the time, they're probably coming through here and
there, but it's quite possible that they're they're a lot more than I ever
thought. And that getting and that's just based on the audio and that kind
of that kind of blew my mind. So that's one of the things we're
doing. I mean, we're scouting this area. It's just it's so thick.
The huckleberry in this area and evergreen huckleberry in this area is so thick
and so tall, you know, you could you can't see but a few
feet in front of you. In many cases, we do most of our
exploring off trail, you know, and we kind of take a little break.
Well recently because the the ground hornets and the wass in the bald faced
hornets, they've been atrocious. I've been stung thirty times this year at least,
and so getting off trail is it's brutal, and so we had to
take a break. It got a little dangerous. Obviously, we got mountainlined
in this area we have that black bear, and then we got ticks and
went on the usual suspects, but it was the smallest little suckers, those
little wasps that were keeping us out of there, not the bear of the
cougar. It was the wass. So we you know, you have to
take a break. This year, they've been horrible. I don't know why.
They've been absolutely atrocious. So exploring. We did a lot of camping
on the outskirts of this area, but not so much exploring because of the
hornet factor, the lost factor. But we've had, you know, made
a few interesting discoveries. I think this year that tie in with some of
our ideas uh and thoughts as to what may be going on in this area,
you know. So and that's both tracks and uh, you know,
not as recording vocals and stuff like that, but seeing that in person or
hearing that in person, and uh yeah, so it's where it's ongoing.
You know. It's one of about three areas we we kind of uh we
we've honed in in on over the years. We don't we don't really ambulance
chase, you know. Uh, and you know, there's a there's a
everybody has their purpose, you know. I know a lot of groups out
there and individuals will you know, go after a recent report or whatnot.
But uh, we really focus in on about three different areas that we traverse.
One is well two of them are in the Olympics, and then ones
in southwestern Washington. We really our goal is to get to know these areas,
get to know the weather patterns, the terrain, the animal life,
and in record NonStop you know, and so on top of that, our
next step forward is I think we have quite a portfolios. Specifically speaking,
in the Nest area. The one thing we lack is actual video footage,
whether that's in the nest theary specifically, if that's you know, game camera
work or you know, a camcorder or what we've really been focusing on lately,
having obtained some new equipment is thermal. We really would like to get
something on therm, you know, to you know, to add to our
portfolio so that we don't just have you know, hand impressions and foot impressions
and hair and these you know, these nests and everything else that goes with
that. In audio. We want to get something on camera and that's where
we've actually really been focusing our time, experimenting, coming up with ideas on
how to possibly get a sasquatch in this particular area on on camera on therm.
I recently received an email. I had contributed to the Kickstarter fund for
Legend Meet Science Too, and in this email it was just kind of an
update to let everybody that contributed to know what's going on. It mentioned the
nest site in the Olympic project. Can you talk at all about any of
that contribution or anything. Yeah, I'm not signed to NDA, so I
guess I'm a good go. Well that's good. That's a relief. Yeah,
yeah, I mean we just actually just within the last month, we
sat down and did an interview with Doug Highcheck and some of his cameramen,
and we basically go through a lot of the nest material, the stuff discovered,
and so that will be included in that documentary. To what extent,
I don't know. I don't have the the know or the editing and all
that, know how, but yeah, we will be a part of that,
as will many others. You know. It's one of those things where
I know and thank you for everybody that contributed, because at Doug high Check,
Uh, it's just an amazing guy. He's done so many amazing things
over the year. He's such an entrepreneur and forward thinker. I contributed myself
because I believe in this, you know, in what he's putting together here.
So I'm excited about the when all said and done and it's actually available
for public consumption, I'm excited about that. But we definitely, you know,
play a small role in this upcoming documentary, you know, And I
know I've got more material to send, you know, other than the interview
itself. I have a lot of material to send to Doug high Check himself
that he may or may not use in in the process in the in the
film. And so yeah, it's uh, I think I honestly think it's
gonna be one of the best productions on the subject out there that's been done.
It's gonna it's going to include so much information from multiple sources from around
the country, including even Doug, Doug Hijack's personal stuff that he's been working
on, let alone, you know, active researchers and witness suits and stuff.
So it's I'm I'm really excited about, uh, you know where this
may go. Yeah. I talked to Doug not too long ago. I
was part of another podcast, uh that he was a guest on, and
I got to participate in the interview. Yeah, Legend Meet Science Too is
going to be a major, major documentary release. I thought Legend Meet Science
one was really good and filmmaking and information and technology and so many things have
advanced since it was released. I'm really looking forward to this production. Doug
is an amazing filmmaker and like you said, inventor, entrepreneur, everything.
He's He's a good guy to have on our side for sure. Oh,
he's an absolute attribute. Absolutely. I mean, I can't I can't speak
highly of Doug high Check. I mean, just an amazing guy that that
you know, sticks at it. He sticks at it he does. You
know, look at Monster Quest, this series he helped put together, and
I mean, what an amazing series. I was. I missed. I
missed the Monster Quest series. It was one of my favorites. I mean,
just a fantastics here. I mean really, it's there's so much garbage
on TV now, even in this phenomenon and outwards. That was really pretty
solid. That was great well produced. The first legitimate science was fantastic.
This one I have really high hopes for because I know Doug, he always
ups the ante and he always learns from either past mistakes or just builds upon
his success. And he's done a wonderful job. I think at you know,
what he's up to now and encapulating the whole phenomenon from multiple areas and
within you know, multiple people, and this is this is gonna be you
know, I got high hopes for. I think it's gonna be really exciting.
It's gonna be something new, something refreshing, but also something people might
be a little more familiar with. You know, that that will resonate with
him and hopefully, uh, you know, bring some conversation again to this
table. Speaking of conversation on the table, Todd mentioned to me a trail
cam attached to the back of an RV. Oh that got something interesting.
Could could you elaborate on that? That's funny Todd. He's a he's a
funny guy. But yeah, yeah. So when I moved up to Washington
in twenty seventeen, I was waiting for my house to poor clothes and as
I couldn't move in, I had sold my previous house down in Oregon and
a friend, a mutual friend, olymp Project member James Milling, had a
really pristine, remote piece of property fairly close to I mean fairly close to
the necess area, within ten miles. And he had offered this property and
me, he said, hey, you know, while you're waiting for your
house of port clothes, I mean there's no power. I think it's remote.
You have a travel trailer, you're you know, you have a generator.
You're more than welcome to stand this property, you know, as you're
waiting to move into your house. And he had told me this property is
pretty awesome, not just for the abundance of wildlife, but right across the
road there's a logging gate. And this logging gate, you know, literally
it was literally about a stone throw way. I mean, I probably couldn't
toss up a rock that far, but it was about maybe fifty yards away,
maybe sixty yards away from where I was camping. In Two different loggers,
long haul loggers that would haul the logging the logs out of these areas
within a span of about a month and a half. They didn't know each
other, but each both these individuals had seen what they would describe as a
Sasquatch or Sasquatch family. They both saw four individuals walking past this gate at
around three o'clock in the morning. These long haul drivers would park outside the
gate and wait for somebody to open it, and they would park there.
And two individuals have seen four different Sasquats, which a larger one, a
smaller one, and then two smaller ones, almost like a And they didn't,
I don't. They never said it was male female, blah blah blah,
just that there were two bigger ones and two smaller ones, almost like
a male a female to juveniles, so to speak. So I was very
excited about camping on this property, and I thought, well, shoot,
I got about three weeks, you know, two weeks. We ended up
spending about a total I think about a month out there. So what I
had done is I parked my travel trailer on the property and you know,
set up my camp and mine for the What I would do is I put
a game camera on the back of the bumper of my travel trailer, and
then I put another one on my wheel. Well, so I had one
on the side of my travel trailer and went on the back of my travel
trailer. And for about you know, two weeks, I was getting the
same I got these two doughs that would come onto the property every day just
about and it would forge around early morning hours and they would leave. I
would get a coyote, occasionally I'd get a raccoon, the usual suspects.
I would get them almost daily, the same same species, same animals,
day in and day out. Well about two weeks into this, almost three
weeks into into this area, is that reviewing my camera maybe every day or
every couple of days. But it was about two o'clock in the morning on
you know, two and a half weeks in that my wife woke me up.
We're in our travel trailer with my daughter in Nevea, who you know
at that time was quite young, and we're sleep thinking my wife was woke
me up, shook me up, and she goes, hey, there's something
outside missing with our cooler. And I went, oh, shoot. You
know, I usually I would lift my cooler up and put in the back
of my truck. I don't have a large travel trailer. It's about twenty
four foot not a huge travel trailer, so there's really no there's room in
my travel trailer for the cooler. But I would usually leave it outside during
the day and it put in the back of my truck before I went to
bed. That night, I had not I left it out, and I
thought to myself, I didn't hear what she was hearing. She said she
heard something messing with it. She could hear the ice swish in it.
So I said, oh, shoot, my bitch, you it's a black
bear. So I got up and I opened up the door of our travel
trailer and I looked around. We had a light, just a little light
on the side of the travel trailer. It wasn't very bright, but I
looked around. I looked at the cooler and it looked like something had messed
with it, like it was just shoved to the side a little further than
where I had placed it. So I'm looking around and I don't see anything,
so quite a sie was cold, and I just wanted to go back
to bed. I was tired, so I said, I went back to
bed, and I said, it it comes back, I'll chase it off.
It's probably a black bear. Anyways, go to bed and nothing help,
nothing else happens. Well, I'll get up the next morning, and
I'm curious that as to what was captured on my cameras. You know,
see if I got a black bear or whatever have you. And I go
to the wheelwell and grab the one off of that, and I grabbed the
one off the back of the bumper and I bring him inside and my laptop
set up, and I put the SD card in there from the one on
the wheelwll well. The one on the wheel well had been triggered but didn't
capture anything. So something had triggered it but didn't capture anything, which is
not surprising, you know. I think the trigger speed on that was pretty
slow, so it's something moved across it briskly or fastly, probably wouldn't captured.
It would have triggered it, but not captured it. So I reviewed
that and there's nothing on there. And then I reviewed the one that was
on the back of the bumper of the travel trailer, and I'm going through
the videos and I'm watching this video, and so once again something had triggered
this camera and it's just running video. I had them both set on video,
not pictures. The one on the bumper was running, so something had
triggered it. Oh, something else been harm but maybe a black beard is
making a lap around the travel trailer and I just didn't capture well. As
I'm viewing this video, the one on the bumper, as it was already
running, I see a flash something walk right by it that looks by pedal.
It's very close. The camera on the back bumper was a Wild Game
Innovations camera was an older one, no sound. Something had triggered it.
But then something had walked right in front of it, and it was large.
It looked by pedal. It looks like you can see an arm swinging
and you could possibly make out hair. But it was so close to the
camera. Had it been maybe you know, three or four feet further back,
I probably would have got more detail on less flash. Because the light
hit this this individual, this thing right that it just looked like a solid
white thing, but it looks by. You know, I've never put it
out there for public consumption because I don't think it's good enough. I have.
I have gone back and done literally, this is no joke. I've
gone out there naked and walked in front of this thing briskly. I put
clothes on and i'm I'm you know, I'm about Oh shoot, I'm about
one eight in poundage, about just under six feet five to eleven. Wherever
this was was much bigger than me and bipedal, and there was there's a
frame when it's walking that you know. At the time, I didn't know
it was an arm. It almost looked triangular, like young arm. And
then it comes to a point. Well, it was walking or moving so
fast. I experimented on this and I figured it out when it swung its
arm. It's just the way it was pictulated and captured. It looks like
it's got like a comes to a point. But I did the same thing.
I'm just much smaller. I'm much smaller in size, and so long
story short, was that a sasquatch, I don't know. I don't know.
It just it was something by pedal, something with an arm and probably
messing with my cooler. Now, the really interesting thing to me is this,
for you know, prior to that, for two weeks, I was
getting the same dose in the area, I was getting the same you know,
raccoon. There was two different raccoons, the same ones. I'll get
the occasional coyote and rabbits and you know what, But after that thing walked
through that frame, after walking past my camera, for the next two weeks,
I didn't get nothing. No animals were coming into the area. Everything
vacated, there was nothing. I'd left my cameras out there hoping I'd get
better footage, better video. Nothing. I didn't get any animals. But
after about two weeks, that's when I started getting the doze back, the
raccoon, the coyotes, and possum. So to me that they kind of
painted a picture in my mind that maybe there was an you know, if
it was sasquatch or not, it was ape pre apix predator in that area
that chased everything off. And so I tied that in with also the loggers
that possibly saw you know, these four sasquatch, you know, a month
apart, that they knew each other, and so as a caveat or not
a caveat to that. But something I thought about in my brain was that,
you know, those cameras were placed on my vehicle, on my travel
filers. They weren't on a tree, they weren't standing up. They looked
like they were a part of this human contraption, right. I don't know
if there's something to that, just an idea, you know, just an
idea. But you know, I don't know, is it the sasquatch.
I don't know it's bipedal. You know, some people claim they can kind
of see hair on the video. I don't know. It's just I don't
know if I read that far into it. It's looks like maybe there's hair,
but it's so gatted close to the camera, and it's whitewashed because of
the flash. You know, if I had a really expensive camera, maybe
it would have turned out better. Maybe I would have had, you know,
like the cameras I own now, the audio, they audio, and
they they're much better. But that's just what I was dealing with back then.
I always told people, when you're camping and you want to place cameras
out, you know, put them on your put them next to your camp,
put them on your vehicle, and you know, maybe if sash watches
around, possibly maybe they'll they won't get too weirded out if they do decide
to approach you, they'll just assume that's a part of your your vehicle that's
human. And maybe, uh, maybe there's something to that. Maybe not,
who knows. No, I agree, I think having Uh, first
off, I'm a strong advocate of video and sound if possible, video over
picture any day of the week. Uh. And just you know, so
many people go camping and they never think to put the camera on the vehicle
or just leave it in the dash of the car pointing up through the windshield.
You know something, Yeah, exactly, I think you know, I'll
get your opinion. You're you're the guest of the show. Why do you
think people don't have any luck using trail cameras and recording devices like that do
take video of getting evidence of these creatures? I love this question because I
absolutely love this question because I think I think there have been some really good
video and photos takeing. I just think people are really reluctant to share them.
I've been you know, I get people complain and bitch and moan about
you know, symposiums and conferences, and I do speak at them. I'm
not showboting, it's nothing to do with it. I love talking about sasquatch.
That's it. I love the phenomena. And if someone gives me a
platform, I don't make any money. Like this is a fact. I
don't go there. Well I need five thousand dollars or I need to now
I go there. Give me a platform. Just give me a platform and
I'll talk Sasquatch. And so I've seen a lot at a lot of these
symposiums, these competencies are sasquatch. I've seen some very compelling video in camera
shots from game cameras. Not a whole lot, but enough that I'm like
wow. And a lot of these people show up to these events and they
just they want someone to vet them or look at them or share them.
Unfortunately a lot of them don't want them out there for public consumption. That
sucks, but it is what it is. Now I haven't said that.
I also think that everybody's talking about, or everybody talks about, all these
troll cameras that are out there, you know in the woods. Well,
there are a lot of troil cameras out in the woods, but the vast
majority are placed for two reasons, security and hunting. And when i'm you
know, I'm a hunter. When I place a troil camera for deer or
black bear recouver, I know where that corey is going to be. I
know they're going to travel this route. I know where they're going to be
at certain times of the year, and they know what game trails are using,
because there's game trails, and so I placed my cameras accordingly. And
that's nine of your hunters and that place your game cameras. They're placing the
known travel routes for their quarry. Dear elk bear cougar, you have it,
so I have it. I do take issue because I think people are
so arrogant to say that because there's all these trail cameras out there, we
should have, you know, more more video. Well, that's saying that
you know how sasquatch travels, that's how they move. I can't claim that.
I can't. All I can tell you is that I think personally,
do they use game trails occasionally? Sure? But do they travel through the
thickest, nastiest stuff which is reported time and time again yes, I,
as a hunter, would not place my trail camera in the middle of a
bunch of huckleberry bushes hoping to capture a sasquatch. Why because if I place
my camera there, I'm counting on that sasquatch moving through that huckleberry But also,
when the wind picks up, I'm going to have a thousand shots or
videos of nothing but huckleberry bush is moving. Nobody in the right mind is
going to place a camera where. I think these things are really traversing and
moving, and that's why I think there's a real lack of tracks, track
ways, like really good ones. They're moving through some of the thickest,
nastiest stuff to stay concealed, and that's where they're comfortable. They can ambush
stuff, they can stay hidden. And so I really do believe it's a
little bit of arrogance when it comes to you know why, you know why
people always question why we don't have more game camera footage. I don't.
I think it's a no brainer. I just don't think you're moving for a
moving needle in a haystack, and that haystack is thick and it's moving through
that. So that's just my thought process. But when I really started thinking
about this, now, I don't know if sasquatch can see ir and you
know that comes off these cameras. I don't know. I don't know if
the you know, when when it's looking at a camera, you know,
they see that kind of fish eye. If that bothers, I don't I
have no freaking idea. But when I look at sighting reports, like the
ones where people are surprised they're fishing or they're hiking along a riverbed or a
creek and they see a sasquatch and they're like, oh, there's a sasquatch,
or a sasquatch walks up on the person whether they're hiking, bathing,
swimming, whatever, and the sasquatch is surprised. That got me thinking because
there's a lot of reports like that out there, where they come across a
creek bed or a riverbed where both parties are surprised that either one's there,
or sometimes you know, a sasquatch is in the water doing this thing and
it doesn't even recognize it as a person. Well, I thought, well,
you know, I look at the Patterson Gimlin film that was filmed along
a creek bed. How did Roger and you know, Bob managed to sneak
up on them? Was it because they're on a horse? You know?
That sounded maybe like an ungulate obviously possibly, But those creek beds and those
rivers, those moving bodies of water make sound. They make a lot of
sound. They also cover a lot of smell because as the water is moving,
you've got all this smell coming down these rivers and creeks. And so
my modem of thought is that's where we need to place cameras, is nearer
to creek beds and rivers, where will not just mask the sound of cameras.
You know that people you know, some people claim that sasquats can hear
the cameras. Maybe they can, but also mask the smell of the cameras.
There's a lot of smells coming down those creeks and rivers. But also
rivers are a point of distraction. You know, you got moving water,
you know, and so maybe just maybe with all that distraction, that lack
of smell, that lack of sound, that to me is going to be
your best opportunity possibly to capture something on film. And so that's kind of
how I've been I've moved my My thought. Prosss with cameras, you know,
from different areas to creek beds and rivers, and I never strap them
to a tree. I always put them in a stump or I kind of
try to conceal them and hide them and mass the smell. But that to
me just makes sense. Will will I be able to get a sasquatch on
camera? I have no idea. I hope so, but I think if
enough people start doing that in areas where they're comfortable placing a trail camera,
we might we might up the ante on getting something you know, will prove
sasquatch exist, but something of significance rather than these silly videos you see on
YouTube. And another huge key to that is these creeks are an opening where
they have to come out of the cover to begin with, which is you
know, one of the huge problems with all these pictures and videos that we
see where it's a bunch of trees and tree cover and brush and people are
circling shadows and things like that, where the big where the bigfoot can remain
hidden. If they're on a creek bed, they're going to have to come
out into the opening. And that's a key to getting a clear video or
photograph. I think I agree, completely agree, And I said, Will
said, and I think you know, there's a saying. I think it
came from somewhere out your neck of the woods that bigfoot falls the waterways or
the rivers and creeks. I don't know if that's true or not, but
they definitely have to consume water at some point, and they definitely have to
cross them at some point. I would assume, what a great opportunity to
me, and everything else fails, you will have some cool footage of known
animals. So it's a win win. Have you ever experienced anything weird while
out in the field, and by weird, I mean something that would fall
into the realm of outside of flesh and blood, bigfoot or what you could
explain away. Yeah, quite honestly, Matt, I never have. Now
Scotland, that's a different story. Up. They don't have many forces over
there. Where I used to live was on a little island, And yeah,
I guess win's some weird stuff, but just outside of stuff I could
too, I could explain or describe. But here as Stateside went around the
woods or happened in the woods, No, I really haven't. You know,
people talk about orbs. I have a good ORB story. You know.
I don't just scout that just because I haven't seen it. I know
too many people that claimed to have seen orbs, you know, and so
maybe there's something too that. The only there was years ago we were on
a Link Project expedition and we were going up this trail and it was around
eleven thirty midnight or so, and out in the woods there was this blue
it looks like a blue ORB, and I was like, holy moly,
people talk about these things. I've never seen one, and there's one there.
But you know, I'm looking at this thing and it's not moving,
just it's stationary. Well, eventually, you know, I'm the sort of
person that will not just video it and take pictures of it. I'm going
to go walk towards it. I got to figure out what it is.
I have to. And so that's exactly what I did. When when this
group of us were out there we saw this blue glowing thing in the woods.
I went down down this ravine and up this hill and then down the
ravine some more. Was a ways away. It was a good, oh
good hundred yards away, and I get down to the base of the tree.
I'm looking up and what I saw was a It was blue with much
dimmer than where I'd seen it originally. But I realized that what I was
looking at was a fungal. It was mushroom. Yeah, and so I
had never and I still haven't seen another one to this day, and this
was probably back in twenty fifteen. I'll get to see another fungal glowing thing
like that, ever. And so I went home, you know, after
I figured out what it was, and I told, hey, no,
it's it's it's planned, it's it's a fungle growth. I went back and
realized that it was it was something called firefox. It's a it's a mushroom
that glows by aline nest in the dark. And but I went the extra
step to figure out what it was. And so, you know, at
the time, if I had just stayed there and videoed it, I you
know, it would have been anybody's guess. It could be anything. It's
an orb, but it was. It was a fungle growth. And I
don't discount discount whatsoever people seeing orbs. Maybe there's something to it, but
you know, I just always within safety, within reason, if you can
figure it out, approach and see what it is. You know, if
you're comfortable, and then you're you're safe and not trying to put anybody in
harms away or anything. But you know, go the extra step and don't
just doc you know, video it and share it as an ORB when in
fact it may not be an ORB. But and then if it is an
order, then you approach it. I don't know if an ORB is gonna
you know, unless it's a you know, ball, lightning or something.
I don't know if it's gonna harm you. So, uh, it's just
one of those things. Other than that, No, everything I've ever experienced
in the woods has been natural, at least as far as I know.
I'm not experienced anything abnormal. And I spend literally I'm I'm in the woods
a couple of times a week and sometimes longer than that, like every week,
in all types of weather. I'm a year round like many of us,
like Chris Spencer and Todd Hill and Rebecca A. Slick and many others.
We're year round campers. We camp in the rain, we camp in
the wind, camp in the snow, we camp in the heat, and
I do it's my passion. I love camping Sasquatch aside, I just love
the camp. Yeah. I had to wait on you to get back from
camping like a month ago. It was like, yeah, the woods,
I do kind You're in the woods and Todds up Metallica concerts. What's going
on? I know, I got to give him some crap because he was
he was supposed to be on the woods. We need that weekend. But
you know, he's a he's a he's a Metallica groupie. So yeah,
he's a roadie. Yeah, but no, I'm not experience a whole lot.
And as far as paranormal stuff and all that, my biggest my biggest
complaint with that is when somebody and maybe they legitimately see an actual orb in
the woods, is why do they associate that with Sasquatch? Well, because
that's you know a lot of in research and investigators. They're out there doing
that research and then they see orb and all of a sudden it's attached to
Sasquatch when maybe a real orb something weird. But what's it gonna do with
Sasquatch? I don't know. Maybe maybe there is something to it. I
don't believe so, but once again, I'm not so arrogant to say I
know everything, because I don't know any anything, and so it's just you
got to accept great stuff, you know, categorize stuff and go okay,
But that was weird. I don't know. I don't know how to explain
that. But when you went out to the woods, you're gonna hear a
lot of weird sounds. You may experience some weird stuff, but you don't
necessarily have to associate that with the sasquatch phenomenon just because you're involved in the
sasquats phenomena. Yeah, I'm of the same opinion. And again, I
don't know if they're connected or not. I do know that a lot of
witnesses that I talked to and this has including myself, have experienced different types
of phenomenon during their life, which to me seems kind of weird in a
lot of cases. But with that being said, if a deer hunter is
out hunting in the woods and is like walking out to their tree stand before
dawn and they see an orb, they don't think that the orb is attached
to a deer. So do big pitters do it? It? Just I
haven't gotten an ant yet and I'll let you know if I do, Please
do I would love to know. But that's a good analogy. So do
you want to talk about the Brown property? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean,
I know you, I know you kind of had a thing going there.
I don't know if you still are in communication with the Browns or anything,
but it was a pretty interesting thing. What was your take on the
Brown property and what was going on there? I guess still is maybe I
don't know, Oh, definitely, it definitely still is. Definitely still isn't.
I'm good friends, but still you know, you know, I won't
lie. And Sarah Johnson listen to this, they note, Well, we
kind of had a falling out years back, but I gotta tell you,
I'm good friends with Sarah Johnson now and I got the utmost respect for them,
and they still have stuff going on on the property. You know,
I've been very fortunate to be invited down to the property in the last month.
It's been a little while, but I've been I'm invited down there,
and I had spent time down there with them. I said. Jonathan and
Sarah are two top notch individuals that were very, very lucky to absolutely,
in my opinion, get video, could you know video of a Sasquatch on
on therm. Phil Pauling went there and did a lot of analysis on that
thermal video, and like, you know, you're saying, everybody that I
talked to that has been to the property, skeptic or not all agree is
that that's a bigfoot on thermal. Yeah, you know, David Ellis,
Phil Polling did a fantastic job. You know, he was brought in because
he's, you know, kind of he's a very skeptical guy, and he
does his due diligence. Once again, another guy I have a lot of
respect for. You know, he's I forget his YouTube channel, but he
has a YouTube channel and he basically goes through very methodically and points to,
you know, videos that are very hopesed, are flawed, and then occasionally
he comes across something he cannot explain that he leads open and the Browns.
You know, he's not coming out and saying the Browns thermal footage is absolute.
Now I don't blame him, who could, but I believe that as
a Sasquatch they got on their there the thermal unit, and so they had
they had had they been having experiences on the property, including a siding,
and they got a hold of Derek Randall's originally, and Derek put them in
touch with David Ellis of the Element Project and so David started helping them out
with audio, just recording audio on the property and then eventually Derek uh loaned
them one of our thermal units, a biocular thermal units where they you know,
Jonathan and his brother obtained video footage uh which I have no doubt is
a sasquatch. I've stood in that spot and ptil pulling, and you can
find this stuff online, I think through Salish Sasquatch, which is Jonathan and
Sarah's YouTube channel. I think you can find them on there. Yeah,
but they it's there's no doubt in my mind. Yes, in the video
you see this figure which is downside of a hill. It's it's either standing
or kneeling on the backside of this hill and I've stood there. It's massive.
And you do have cows. They have cows that roam this reservation,
and you do have cows moving front of the camera. Of course you do,
because there are cows in there and whatnot. But the the the individual
itself, it's it's a very large individual and the recreation done by David Ellis
and Tory Randalls, their wife actually stood in place as well. This sings
massive. You see the pectorals, you can see the shoulders, you can
see the head, and it ties in with also not just the video footage,
the thermal footage, but all so the amount of recordings that Sarah and
Jonathan were capturing on the property and the history in that area of this particular
reservation is phenomenal. And I was, like I said, I was,
I was very fortunate to have spent nights down there. You know, there
was nightsight spent down there and nothing would happen. There was one night though,
in particular, I was out with Jonathan and his brother and it was
after midnight and we were hiking back in that area where that thermal footage was
taken, but then further back into the woods, and I had the same
thermal unit on me that Johnson and his brother had recorded this possible sasquatch on
him. I picked up a heat signature and not a big deal, but
it looked like a head. It looked like a large round head. And
I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out, Okay, am I looking at
a head? Am I looking at a large raccoon? Uh, it was
kind of low, but I'm looking at a singing I'm starting to adjust the
contrast on it. And it was massive, Paul full head or whatever.
It was massive. So I actually I'm viewing. I'm zooming in on this
thing, and I have Johnson and his brother behind me, when all of
a sudden, behind us they have a creek that borders the back end of
their property that's covered in brambles, BlackBerry bushes, I mean pretty gnarly.
There's this huge splash. I mean it sounded like an elephant had jumped into
this creek. We all jump around and as we jump around, we're like,
whoa, what the heck was that? And we're listening. We're listening
nothing. As I zoomed back to where I picked up this heat signature,
it's gone. It's gone. And Jonathan noted before, you know, as
we were walking up this trail, he has said, you know, hey,
do you guys smell that? And there's something I often forget, but
there was an absolute I'm not smelled it much, very rarely, but this
this was stinky. There was a smell in the air. It smelled like
nasty trash that Johns had first picked up on and I'm like, wow,
you're right, this is stinky. So that's just one of the experiences that
I had on their property, probably the most interesting one to me, having
gone out there and spent the nine investigated and went not once again. Is
that Sasquatch? I don't know, but it was just funny. As I
was getting my eyes on the therm on this into this this heat signature,
there was this distractor, this possible distractor behind us to mede this huge splash
that scared the crap out of all of us, and we jumped around,
and then of course when I turn around, that heat seature is gone and
you have the smell and bold once again. Was that a Sasquatch? I
don't know, but that thermal footage they have to me is very compelling,
not just for the thermal footage itself, but based on the recreations and the
homework done on it, the size comparisons, the distance. That's that's how
things should be shared publicly in general, is you have to go back and
do all the recreations to pretty much rule out everything as much as one can.
So I mean, yeah, that was that was a really fun time
in my my sasquatch for for Ray. You know, that was a fun
time. And and I'm very once again blessed to know Sarah and Johnson and
and collaborate with him. We've we've done all that stuff recently over the years,
and uh, they're they're still they still have stuff happening on the property
and adjacent areas. Uh, you know, maybe it's a matter of time
before maybe they get something on them. Who knows. Again, Yeah,
Phil's channel is the pair of breakdown channel. If anybody wants to check it
out, he does exactly that, breaks down paranormal type videos, cryptid videos,
everything out there, kind of tries to get to the bottom of it
and the truth and you know, like you're saying, uh, most of
the time he figures it out or gives a possible explanation for things. But
if he can't, he says it. You know, if he thinks that
something might be real, he's willing to admit that as well. I think
he does a great job and has done a great job over the years.
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, Matt, I think he also helped Barkatino
out with his Sierra footage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And another great
example where you know, another another great thermal footage piece that's out there for
public consumption on Bart's YouTube site, which it's not very active, but the
documentation done for that thermal footage in the series of California was phenomenal and Phil
Pulling out a huge role in that. And and Bart reached out to to
Phil to get his feelings on it and get his input in his expertise,
and you know, left everything on the table to hey, prove me wrong
or you know, not to say it proved me right, but just hey,
what what did I film? And so kudos to Phil Pulling for being
that guy, And kudos so individuals like Bart that are unafraid to own a
bash to reach out and go, hey, here, I'll give you everything,
help me figure out what this is and something that you talked about earlier,
and you know, here it is coming up again. A lot of
times on the Internet you see a video or a photo and there's nothing else
to it. It's just what you're looking at on the screen. But it's
the collection of the documentation, the other things that went along the full story
surrounding the thing that can often strengthen or weaken that piece of evidence. And
Bart did an excellent job at you know, trying to recreate it and you
know, recording all the information of the events that took place lead up to
it and afterwards and the people that were there and where they were, and
then passed it on to Phil Polling, you know, an unbiased third party
to review it and see what he thought. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Like I said, my hats are off to to both parties there, because
Bart has nothing. He's one of the most honest people. He's a good
friend of mine. We hang out about twice a year for different events outings,
and just the most honest guy out there gets in it for the right
reasons. And then to bring someone in like Phil Polling too has a very
skeptical eye and well if you're a lying or hoaxing and he's going to find
out, Yeah, so you know you're you're next on the line there to
do that. I think it's so valid and so important, and I think,
well, I honestly, I think there's a lot of people out there.
I shouldn't say a lot of people. I think there are folks out
there that are sitting on stuff, but they don't want to ridicole and I'll
you know, I can speak for myself personally. Where Derek Raynolds and I.
I gotta get my dates right. Fifteen I believe maybe twenty fourteen I
could be off. I forget obtained video footage of two individuals to possible sasquatch.
They were three hundred and fifty yards plus away that I found at the
time. We were both looking through two different thermal units. His recorded mind
didn't, but I was watching what he was seeing after he had found it.
After David Ellis was called blasting some sounds up this mountain side, and
a half hour in we get these two individuals come down behind David and by
a couple hundred or about one hundred and fifty yards away. But they were
so far away that at first we thought they were elk. But we thought
it was weird the elk would approach the group. And long story shorty is
that you know, I think that these might have been sasquatch, but it
was so far away. You know, if I was to put that out
there, oh hey, Derrick Randall's the only project in myself got sasquatch on
on therm here you go. People would eat us a lot because it's not
good enough. It's just not good enough. Is it a possibility? Sure,
absolutely, And we have gone back down and done comparisons where we found
that the largest subject there was at least seven and a half feet tall.
But it's still not good enough. And so I think not just Dop,
but other individuals, other groups out there have stuff, but they just know
that it's They don't care about the fame, they don't care about all that
stuff. When they put something out, people should take it, well,
they shouldn't take it to the bank, but they should know that this group,
this organization, this the individual has gone to their most utmost to figure
out what it was. And if they don't know and they think it's really
cool, then share it. But don't share stuff you know like we don't
and many others don't. Where it's just not good enough. It's just it's
clickbait, public or otherwise. This could be something that you've seen privately.
As much as you can say anyway, what's the most convincing piece of Bigfoot
evidence that you've seen outside of the Patterson film? Oh man, that's a
tough one. It's a tough one because there's just so much there's just so
much obsceneo theres. Well, quite honestly, I'm just gonna tell you out
there, I mean just the stuff the olymp Project has been working on period.
The nest area, like I stated before, is just I moved up
here. I was so enthralled. You know, I've been a hunter,
I've been out abvid outdoorsmen for my whole life. And the nest area itself
was so enthralling. And to hear this timber surveyor who'd been at it for
twenty seven years come across these nests. You know, he's been out in
the woods, he's been doing this drop for twenty seven years, doing the
same gang thing over and over again. He comes across these ground desks multiple
you know, not just one, not just two, but seven in one
area. It blew his mind. Well, when I got to I was
invited up there into the Olympics to view these nests, my mind was blown
and I thought this is and then absolutely amazing discovery. And you know,
subsequently we've we found hair that doesn't match anything up here. It's very primate,
like what is primate of some sorts? And then you know, the
multiple impressions we found in this area, that to me is and once again
I'm not show bowing to me. To me, it's amazing. That's why
I moved up here. I I changed a lot of stuff on my life
to move up here. And thank god I have a wife that you know,
it's from Oregon. But also I was willing to move up up you
know, pick up our family and move because she believed in me, believing
in that this was something phenomenal. And I still believe that and I know
this. So the next area itself is phenomenal. You know Paul Freeman,
the Paul Freeman footage. You know, I used to be really fifty to
fifty on that, But since his son has come out rend the book and
Doug Hycheck has helped print that book, and I've seen additional footage that looks
like a little one held in the arms of the Sasquatch, that to me
is phenomenal. Cliff Berckman has some really cool trail camera footage that he obtained
from some police officers in the Clackmiss area where I had mine counter that I
think is phenomenal. So I mean, just as Cliff always says Cliff Erdman
always says, it's it's not the one piece the puzzle, it's the whole
thing that really brings everything together. If you look at just one piece,
you can you can throw that aside. But when you start looking at the
bigger picture, everything captured, everything obtained, that's out there for the public
and everybody else, it's amazing. So we live in a crazy time where
news agencies and various governments around the world are openly talking about UFOs to an
extent. You know, UFO disclosure is a huge thing. You've got people
involved in the intelligence community, former intelligence officers, various members of the military,
all coming forward talking about these things. Do you think that that will
ever happen with Bigfoot? Well, you know, that's that's a big rabbit
hole, right, I mean, that's a big rabbit hole. I mean
obviously in the news today and it's gaining traction. Is all this UFO talk
or what they call up U p U apps UAPs thank you. I'm not
a I don't know the lingo it's forte, but it is quite the rabbit
hole. And I really try not to speculate on that, but I would
be I would say I'd be amazed if there weren't certain factions of our government
that weren't aware of sasquatch. Because when you look at like the border Patrol,
for example, who monitors you know, both sides of this country,
Mexico and you know, the Canadian side and whatnot with all the stuff the
technology they have, and there's been many reports of the board patrol many come
across sasquatch or something that couldn't explain that was bipedal. Harry Large, There's
got to these certain factions of the government that's aware of them. Now,
I'm not going to get into why it's not been disclosed or why it's not
been sured. I mean, that could be as simple as they just don't
care, they don't want to bring attention to things. Who knows. But
I would be shocked if somebody at some level of our government weren't aware of
these things. You know, And there's not a great I don't think there's
a huge conspiracy as far as you know, certain levels of the government.
You know. I've worked alongside and talked to many park rangers and game wardens
that are very intrigued because they've taken into reports and or seen something there's not
on that level above them. Who knows? Who knows? Is it a
possibility? I think right now we have a better chance of them disclosing that,
you know, UFOs are a real thing than sasquatch, because it's just
I don't know if they care enough. And then as soon as that's disclosed,
what does that do if they know anything? What does that do to
our national parks? What does that do to the timber industry? What does
that do for anybody just going out in the outdoors. Because if somebody,
if somebody knew something and was to come out into the public and go,
yep, sasquats are real, well, that opens Pandora's box because now you
are claiming they're real. But unless you know anything about them, it'd be
like the spotted out. Oh, all of a sudden, we don't know
how they breed, when they breed, where they eat, where they traverse,
what environments they need to live in. They don't. They would almost
have to close a lot of areas down to the public and to all these
industries that make the United States money in these you know, businesses money.
That would be detrimental to a lot of things, and so if you give
that up, if you say, oh, yeah, Sansquats is real,
well, I mean that's and then they're they're aware of it too, and
they goes that goes alongside with the u UFO thing. If they claim that
they knew UFOs are real, well, that means they've been sitting on it.
And do you think the American public or the world's gonna just like you
know that and I know they're gonna be kissed. Yeah, well, I
mean the general public's already distrusting enough of the government and exactly now you guys
are admitting that you've been lying to us. Thanks, yeah, yeah,
with a nightmare with a like I said, Pandora's box, that's a rabbit
hole. I assume they don't want to go down. It's just interesting because
you know, you you do hear a lot of stories, and I've talked
to some people that like I believe or telling the truth that they have encountered
strange interactions with government people out in the field looking for Bigfoot, where they've
kind of been shut down on their research areas and things like that. You
know, some some level of a cover up taking place. But then you
literally have Patterson film you've got the nest site, which you know, if
they were trying to cover stuff up, you guys would have been shut down
from the get go. It wouldn't have even made it to you guys,
like right, And you guys have been researching that area for years and releasing
information and bringing in like professionals and everything else. So why would they let
that go on and then just shut down a researcher just blindly going into an
area to look for bigfoot? Well yeah, yeah, no, great points,
Matt, great points, you know. And once again speaking to like
conspiracies, I mean this was a you know, with the nest site in
particular, this was an area where we were allowed in. I mean we
were invited in. We we didn't discover these nests. The reason we did
discover more after the fact, Well we were invited in there by a private
timber company and invited in there, so there was they weren't like holding out
on us. Uh, they were actually the owner of this timber company.
It's a funny story. But he's very tht with the nests. He MutS
know more about him. He wants us to figure out what's going on,
but his his uh, this timber owner. His brother had a siding down
in Oregon while ulk hunting, he saw what he described as an orangutang in
a field, spring up and run away on two legs, And so there
there is an interest in that. But there's no conspiracy. I mean,
we're allowed into this area, we got keys to the gates. We're absolutely
allowed into this area. But as you stated before, yeah, I've heard
I myself have heard stories of years of people being not allowed into certain areas
after something has happened. So with the nests, I mean, either you
know, I'm not absolutely staying these are sasquats, and I can't. I
didn't see a sasquatch laying one. I didn't see a sasquatch make one.
I think Todd Hale and I in twenty twenty came across one that was in
well, it was in the making. I think we were very close to
discovering seen what made this nest. But yeah, when it comes to the
governments or the factions that mean know about sasquatch and why they allow certain things
or don't allow certain things, I don't know. It it's a weird one.
You know, it's a weird one. Maybe they just know something we
don't know. So I understand that you left Scotland a long time ago,
but you did spend time there. You probably know more about Scotland than I
do. But I hope so specifically the UK. Something that's happened since you
and I became part of the Bigfoot world is Bigfoot has become popular in the
UK and you have researchers over there, and you have people putting out siding
reports of Bigfoot in the UK. What is your opinion is? Is Bigfoot
really over there? Can it exist there? I mean, I hope you
don't lose lose listeners that listen to the show because it's fantastic, but hey,
your opinion, you can give whatever opinion you want. My opinion is
uh no, no, I don't believe it. I know you know,
and I don't get me wrong. I didn't live on mainland Scotland. I
lived on a little island called Isla off the west coast of Scotland and the
Hebrides, so it was uh there's definitely no sasquats on that island. It's
very small islands. It's known for its Scotts. But I have plenty of
family, I have an uncle Andrew, who lives out of Dundee in Scotland.
He's hypen Navis. I mean he's been all around Scotland. You have
reports of the gray Man and other stuff. I don't think it's even remotely
feasible. I just don't. There's just not enough woods. Yeah, you
got a lot of highlands and lowlands and plenty of food sources. I guess,
but I don't. I don't think it's even the size of Scotland or
the UK in general. I mean there's reports in Ireland and I find ridiculous,
but and no offense to I know there's I know a few investigators and
researchers that do that over there, continue on with it. Prove me wrong,
please, you know I'm not saying I know everything because I don't.
But I just I don't think it's even feasible. I don't think it's possible
at all. I just don't. Now. I do think there's a case
for the big cats in Scotland, and that's not remotely ridiculous because the Romans
and you should bring a lot of exotic cats and animals to the UK.
Sure when they went so, I mean, did a couple get loose,
are they or are they just exotic pets from other people? Is there a
population there possibly but sundsquatch or a large hairy hominin hominoid. I don't,
I don't. I just don't see it. I don't think it's possible.
But prove me wrong. Keep going, keep doing what you're doing. Have
you ever had any experiences with the paranormal or anything like that? Uh,
I've never shared this before, but I'll tell you, yeah, I'll have.
But it's it's got to do with the the I'll just be in first.
I'll be first and fourth right here. I'm a Christian. Uh.
My sisters when we were grown up used to claim talk about dark shadows in
their bedroom at night, dark shadows and there's some stuff I don't even want
to get into because it's very personal with family, but very personal with with
my mom especially it's specifically, but yeah, my sisters growing up used to,
you know, talk about a dark shoder shadow darker than the room itself.
And we used to sleep with lights out group rather poor we do.
We try to save electricity. But they used to claim they would see dark
shadows and yeah, there was I mean that, I guess I'll claim it's
a possibility. Uh, but when when my mom had our how blessed all
that stopped when speaking a Christian, it all stopped. It literally stopped.
And we've never seen anything since. So I remember in Scotland doing a Wiji
board one time, the first time I've never done one, and the only
time I've ever done one was a Wigi board. And these individuals that I
was with, young kids and the lads and last sees whatnot. But they
put this Weigi board out and I've never done one. I didn't know anything
about it. And the thing that glass, I saw the glass move by
itself. There was no tricks to it. And as soon as I saw
that I was done, I walked away. I'm there messed with one since
I don't open those doors to just yeah, there are certain things out there
I can't explain. There are certain things out there that I don't want to
mess with. And that's why I stick with sasquatch because I do believe it's
terrestrial. It's a living, breathing thing. You know, people get mad
when I say animal called an animal called to whatever you want. It's real,
that's all I claim. I don't know what sasquatch is. I definitely
believe it's a sort of primate of some sorts. Where that goes, I
don't know. I don't care they're real, but I don't mess with any
of that other stuff. And I think that's why a lot of times when
people open doors or open their mind up to other things or possibility, yeah,
you know, you might see what you want to see or you don't
want to see. But I sleep company in the woods at night, I
really do. I can go out the woods by myself right now, and
the worst thing I have to fear is the weather or a possible bear coming
to my camp. I don't fear the woods. I respect the woods,
I respect the animals. I respect my environment because I can get hurt,
I can fall to certain things. But it's just it's respect. It's not
a fear. And when you get past the fear of the dark, which
is a huge thing for a lot of people, the dark. People fear
the dark because it's not our natural environment. But if you just accept the
dark now sound like Batman, I guess, but if you sept the dark
and just incomfortable in the dark and get to know everything that transpires in the
dark with known animals, you actually you'll fit in quite well. There's nothing
to really fear if you respect it and know your limitations. So I hope
the answers your question. I kind of went off the road there. No.
Absolutely, we rely very heavily on site, at least the majority of
the population, and whenever you limit that or start to take that away,
it gets very uncomfortable for a lot of people. And most people don't spend
enough time in those environments to learn them and adjust to them and adapt to
them in a way that you're talking about and that you've done. Yeah.
No, I mean, and you know I said again, I'm not showblen.
It's just I do go out of my way to spend and not just
myself, many others, even within the Olympic Project, Chris Spencer, and
Chris Spencer will tell you he's you know, he's he's uh. He gets
afraid, he does, but he's gone because he's spend enough time in the
woods and gotten to know the animals in the area and the weather patterns and
the areas he's in. He's he's night and day from when I first met
him. But just being comfortable. It's about just you know, realizing that
yeah, yeah, things can happen, but at the same time understanding what
could happen and understanding what you would do in that that scenario, but also
just experiencing the woods. It is some of the most peaceful things you can
do. It's just spend nights out in the woods in the dark. It's
actually it's it's awesome. So, you know, but you got to respect
the woods. You gotta respect the animals. You know, you gotta respect
everything. So there should be a healthy fear, but not to the point
where you know, you're so fearful that everything is sasquatch or everything's this or
that. You got to be comfortable and if you're not comfortable, then try
to get comfortable, try to relax, try to figure it out. If
not, then you probably have no business being in the woods. You mentioned
the big cats of the UK, you know, the black cats and everything.
Are there other cryptids besides those in Bigfoot that are on the table for
you? Well, the big cats, I mean, I think there's a
you know, I won't say one hundred percent that they're they're real or not,
but I think there's a good possibility. There's some exotic pets and let
loose in the UK. I still believe that NeSSI Lockness Monster is a possibility.
They just found recently which I've been talking about for years that I thought
was a possibility and it was proven true that there's underground caverns and caves around
Lochness, So that's Nessi's definitely a possibility, you know. Oh man,
I'm trying to think of the one that well, cadbur Sorus, Caddy Off
which when it comes to water, cryptids or you know, especially in the
ocean, all bets are off. I mean, there's so much stuff we
haven't discovered out there, it's shocking. But one of the ones I've always
been really fascinated with. I don't do research on it, but I follow
is Cadbir Source or Caddy, which is supposed to be off the coast of
Western in the Western United States, from like say, like the Frisco area
of California up to Alaska. Many sightings, many reports. There's a famous
photo from Gosh. I don't even want to claim when it was nineteen forty
shoot, I don't know, nineteen thirty, in the nineteen sixties, I
forget Somewhere within that timeframe of whale hunters that cut open the whale that they
had called and they cut it open and there was this long serpentine animal which
fit Caddy's description. So in many reports of cadbursors, so that one fascinates
me. I think there's a huge possibility that that's a true thing. I
mean, and then you look at like Lake Champlain, there's just a lot
the water crypt is in general fascinating. So I think there's, like I
said, a huge possibility that And obviously we've not discovered everything in the ocean.
It's barely been explored when you look at the scheme of things, So
that's us fascinating to me. But then like the o ran Pendic that Cliff
Brickman has been looking into and Am Davis and others, that's a real possibility.
There's a lot in Africa and even South America that I think we've yet
to discover, even larger speed these outside of like the smaller amphibians and mammals,
there's a lot to be discovered. I mean, even the YETI the
a for example, could be who knows what, But I think there's a
possibility that there's something to that. You know that was one of my first
loves in Scotland was the Yeti. I just reading the stories about the Yeddi.
The mapping Glori is another one that I think is really interesting out of
South America. So and then there's one, you know that we'll never hear
of. I mean, you look at Papua New Guinea, all the amount
of cryptids that are supposedly living in the ocean around there, let alone in
the inner jungles like the rope in you know that it's apparently like a sort
of pterodactyl or trannodon that has bioluminescence. That one fascinates me because they the
natives talk about it, you know, and that's something I think, you
know, kind of a side rail discussion here is that. You know,
in twenty seventeen, the Tapanulia orangutang was discovered in Indonesia. I forget a
smatra or when that general area was discovered, and that's basically an orangutang species,
a new Grade eight species discovered in that area twenty seventeen. That's just
a couple of years ago. I mean when you think about it, Yeah,
that's crazy. You know, North America is by far, specifically the
United States the leader in cryptid exploration, and then you're naming off all these
places and I'm just thinking, like, yeah, South America, Africa,
you know, Asia, like all these like huge vast expanses of wilderness that
like nobody's even researching really like no, exactly, you have very small,
limited expeditions that usually come from the UK or the United States that go there,
or you have like some company that's like clearcutting forest, you know,
for the timber industry, and maybe they run across something, but they're probably
not going to tell you if they do, because then that shuts down their
operation, they lose money. So there's a lot of area that's really untapped
whenever it comes to the possibility of cryptids. And that's not even beginning to
talk about oceans that take up the majority of the planet. Yeah, yeah,
you know, it just goes. I mean, once again, I
think people in general, even academia science, are so arrogant in their assumptions
and their belief systems. They get stuck in these ruts where they think this
is the way it should be because that's what the textbook says, or but
textbooks are changed daily. If you look at the hominid. I mean,
just look how many different fossils are finding around the world right now from all
parts of the world that are you know, not you know, non human
primate to to uh you know supposedly uh human like you know all that stuff.
I mean, it's amazing when you look at the lineage in the tree
line, how how diverse it it is. As as doctor Meldrum always says,
you know, they used to think it was more like a tree,
and now it's more like a bush. All these different intricacies when it comes
to life, and so when it comes to exploration, as you stated,
Matt, Yeah, I mean there's a there's there's a number of researchers out
there, uh individuals, groups, but I mean and and no offense to
any of them. I think a lot of them are doing great stuff,
and some of them are doing better than most. But how what are they
actually doing? You know, I always I always put my finger at myself
first, what are we doing? That's why I don't go out and try
to bust hoaxers or when whatnot. I'm like, what am I doing?
What am I bringing to to the forefront? What am I How am I
researching? How is the lumber project researching? I and so, But I
think the vast majority of people are you know, they can't spend the time,
they don't have the money, they can't spend the time out of the
because the day jobs, which is everybody and how much how much actual?
What is one classified as research? You know? I mean the research word
gets tossed around, researcher word gets tossed around, you know, And if
you just pay attention to Facebook or social media, you're probably gonna hear everything
you want to hear, but there'll be no substance to it. So it
is it's a It is a one of those scenarios where I think we're just
scratching the surface with this phenomena, even though we've been at it for a
while, you know, and go back to the Paisa and filming longer.
We've just scratched the surface. And maybe in my lifetime we'll just dig a
little deeper within what we're doing, but maybe nothing will come from I don't
know, but it's it's fun. So with that being said, what's your
personal goal in this journey? Are you trying to be the guy that proves
it or prove it for yourself. What do you hope your legacy will be
after it's all said and done. Well, good question again. No,
sasquatch has proven to exist for me A long time ago. That's not been
on my radar. I know sasquatchs exist. My personal goal, honestly is
just collect as much data on something I know it exists. I just want
to understand it. I just want to understand the species. I just want
understand them. I want to collect data on them. I want to know
where they go, why do they go, how they go in all those
questions, and then I want to, as I stayed before, collect as
much data on them, you know. I mean I'm always picking up not
always, but quite occasionally, we're picking up some really unique stuff that you
know, shifts and shapes my opinion on their behavior or what they're doing.
So and that's all in house stuff. I mean, it's nothing I would
come out and say definitively to the publicility do this now. That'd be ridiculous
if I for me to claim I know anything about sasquatch would be stupid,
because I don't. I have my opinions on my ideas, I have my
beliefs, and I'm working on making them concrete. That's all I can do
at the end of the day, and that's all the limit product you can
do. That's all we're trying to do is a catalog as much data as
we can on something we as a group, for the most of us,
know to exist, and so am I trying to prove it. I'm going
to be the one to prove it. Sas as our Hell. No,
I probably won't prove Sasquatch exists in my lifetime. Probably not going to happen.
But I do want to do the subject matter justice. Knowing that these
exist, knowing that Sasquatch is a real, living, breathing entity, a
real out there I want to I want to do justice because that's I've taken
on this endeavor and I want to see it through. I won't be one
of those guys that know the Olympic Project as a whole, one of those
groups or individuals that debts are disappear. We're in for the long haul.
We'aring for the long run. I think once again we've just scratched the surface.
We're building on the shoulders of giants, and by that I mean you're
John Bendernaggles, you're John Manzinsky's your grubber krantzis orneed a Hindians or doctor Milburn.
Those guys have put a lot of their academic career on the line.
You're Peter Burn, though not an academic per se, he was one of
the four horsemen that just passed away recently. And so those guys, I'm
staying on their shoulders because they laid the foundation I need to do. I
need to build upon that and do them justice. And that's my goal,
and that's the Olympic Project goal, so that at the end of the day,
you know, hopefully we can bring something to the table of substance and
not hearsay, that we better evidence and thoughts and hypothesis and ideas to the
point where science cannot look away anymore. Monster X Radio, what's going on,
man? Yeah, I've been slacking on that. You know. Thank
God for people like Julie Ranch and Thomas Deinberg who have been doing a show
called Staying on the Shoulders of Guyans. So they've been They've been filling in
the void. I've just been so busy with life, work, family,
uh, and that honestly, I've been spending so much time in the woods
in different areas, three of our main areas. That two. Uh,
I'll be honest with me that I'm very anal about about the mons Rex because
if I put out a show, and I know you know this more than
well, when I first start gone into podcasting, I would never edit.
And I go back and listen to those shows and I cringe. I cringe
because they're the worst. I mean, you know, you're talking off your
cell phone, but and there's no editing, and it's just they just,
I mean, great content in a lot of cases, but they sound horrible.
So nowadays, you know, I got I got my whole little setup.
I have to edit the shows, and I edit myself. You know,
I don't have help, and I'm just it's just it's time consuming,
and I want it to be I want people to enjoy the show. I
want people to listen to it and go okay or you know, I don't
want them complaining, oh man, you already sucked or this or that.
No, it's it's you know. And so I'm yeah, I've got shows
lined up. Chris Bencher and I I think have so much to cover h
and so much to share I want to talk to Todd Hill and Rebecca,
the people I got in the woods with the most that I think have a
lot to share that I respect. They'll be coming down the road here.
It's just a matter of sit my butt down and recording and editing and then
sharing so that people can actually enjoy it without going cringing and having to adjust
their you know, if they're driving in their car, adjust their sound because
their screeches are you know, Oh, the woes of a big Foot podcaster.
I do know it, well, I bet you do. Well.
How can someone reach you if they wanted to reach the amazing Shane corson,
Well, mine is the amazing part, I think, you know, if
they want to reach out to me. I'm usual social media sites. I'm
on Instagram at you know, I get what I'm called. I don't even
know. I'm on Twitter, I'm on Facebook. Just look up Shane Courson.
You get lost. Just type in Shane Course of Bigfoot. I'm sure
I'll pop up. Or you can email me at Shane Courson at MSN dot
com if you feel so free. Oh, you know, get ahold of
us on on our web page. You know a loompproject dot com. That's
a good way to get a hold of me or any of the other LIMP
Project members that are you know, amazing people. So yeah, I'm glad
glad to have been on the show. Matt. Thank you absolutely long overdue,
you know, I'm so glad we were able to line up the schedules
and make it happen. Man, I've thoroughly enjoyed it and I look forward
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