Free Agent TE Rankings, Kubiak Arrives, and Isaiah Likely Joins the Show!

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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be a little sick to love this game, and we got some sickos.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to NFL Daily, where football is not back, but Ali Connolly's back in the minds watching the NFL draft prospects. I mean, talk about off season. I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm here in the garage and Ali Connolly is with me, and I feel like this is the first proper off season show. I didn't want to turn the page too fast from the Super Bowl, so you know, I talked with Daniel Jeremiah a little bit about the Patriots and Seahawks what's next, talk with Mina Kimes about enjoying the state Seahawks victory. But this is the first proper off season show.

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Speaker 4: Ali.

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Speaker 3: I know you're grinding on the rookie prospects, but are you ready to talk some tight end free agency prospects?

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Speaker 5: And nothing is fired mall the me to sit with you right into the offseason and discuss tight ends.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was an eye opening moment.

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Speaker 3: This morning, I got email that gave me all my due date assignments on my top one oh one free agents list.

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Speaker 4: The blurbs and the list, it's all.

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Speaker 3: Next week, and I'm thinking, oh, boy, like you want to get ahead of it, and you never quite do. So That's how I'll be spending my weekend. I was wondering what I've done with my life when I spent the Tuesday night after the Super Bowl watching an hour of Kyle Pitts, and I was like, this is too much.

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Speaker 4: What is this going to be?

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Speaker 3: Twenty seconds on the podcast, We're going to do some news. I'm gonna have Ali, who's a great scout helped me sort some of my tight end rankings, and then we're going to listen to an interview that we did last week with Isaiah Likely, one of the gentlemen we will be talking about and who will be featured prominently on the tight end rankings. And we'll be somewhere in my top fifty let's say free agents. But let's figure out where that will be in the top fifty.

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Speaker 4: Let's start, though, with some news.

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Speaker 3: We got our final head coach introductory press conference and it was with the man Clint Kubiak, who we spoke with on the field after the game. Let's listen to him talk about his relationship with the guy who presumably was the most important guy in hiring him, Tom Brady, a man who did not show up for the press conference.

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Speaker 4: I want to point out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm really excited to work with Tom. And you know, he made a mistake and giving me a cell phone number, so he's gonna he might wish he never did that, because I'm gonna be I'm gonna be calling him a lot. What I'm excited about is that we're really a different we have, you know, different offensive backgrounds. How we're gonna you know, how we can pull ideas from each other. But obviously he's he's the greatest that's ever done it. In the interview process, just the passion that he spoke with on all things football just got me excited about the opportunity to work with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Clink Kubiak never sounds that excited, but he says he's excited.

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Speaker 4: I'll believe him there.

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Speaker 3: It always it hits me funny that he like feels like he's so lucky that he got Tom Brady's cell phone.

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Speaker 4: You know, he should be involved on a day to day basis.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you have any Click Kubiak introductory press conference thoughts. You're a nerd when it comes to these press conference, not a guy who like gives a lot. I wouldn't say he did that after the game on the field with us either, But I don't know if anything else stood out to you.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 5: I think he's more a tactician in the minds, in the dog holes, trying to scheme stuff up. I'm not sure he's gonna get you lifted off your seat pumped up for the new season. I do find the Brady stuff interesting. You're with me on Tom Brady Island. That he's become a very good broadcaster, and as I'd say, I think pushing himself up into a different tier. I would like him to pick what and choose and be great at one or the other. I would like it to be as an owner, frankly more so than a broadcaster. And I do find it a little bit puzzling that he's making these kinds of big franchise tilting decisions and then doesn't show up to announce the new coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that it's his third or his fourth job, and he has all these different investments, and you just would think that's a full time job. Look, they had eight to ten like former Raiders greats up there on the podium with Clint Kubiak all smiling, Charles Woodson, and Rich Gannon.

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Speaker 4: I believe was the.

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Speaker 3: Only quarterback there. But there's no Tom Brady. Kubiak is tough. When I told a couple people that I've never seen anyone less excited right after winning the Super Bowl than Clint Kubiak. He came over and there's this feeling that what I think. He talked about it like he had a lot to do, He had a lot of interview, like he literally I think was already thinking about the next step, although he said with us on the mic that hey tonight, I'm a Seahawk and I hope he could enjoy it, and maybe that's just how he is. Was very flat lined, but like I said, I've seen a lot of coaches, players, everyone after winning a super Bowl, and he was really kind of, you know, down the line. And I hope he provides that schematic advantage and he'll be helped if he has a great roster. The question is will he have Max Crosby on the roster. He spoke on Tuesday, just a couple of days after Jay Glazer, who's tight with Max Crosby said that Crosby was done, he believed with the Raiders. Here's Clint Kubiak talking about it to the media.

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Speaker 6: Got to drink a cup of coffee with Max this morning. Loved, loved talking ball with him, and you know, look forward to continuing those conversations. He was he was the first one in here. Is more than working out, so I fired me up. We want him to be a part of our of our success going forward. You know, there's no doubt about that. And you know he's he's one of the best players in the NFL. So it's that's a no brainer to get to work with Max and to see him continue to have success with this organization.

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Speaker 4: He looks a lot like Gary Kubiak.

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Speaker 3: The offense is similar, but Kubiak gave you a little more Gary. Gary Kuback was a guy who would fire you up a little bit. Maybe Max Crosby, though, being in the building on the first day, Clint Kuback is there, I guess you got to work out somewhere though, and that that's where he's going to work out. More about him potentially being done as a Raider, that's a story we didn't hit at all last week, so I did want to circle back that multiple people, But most importantly, Glazer kind of said that Crosby will be going the Miles Garrett route and at least.

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Speaker 4: Pushing for a trade.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if he goes for the Miles Garrett route and ends up backing off over time.

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Speaker 5: If you were the Raiders, what is the price tech that you would be willing to accept the trade?

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Speaker 7: Max Crosby is a single first round pick enough.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say first plus to start, but I was thinking if I even needed to, I don't think you're gonna get to first for Crosby.

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Speaker 4: Glazer said something.

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Speaker 3: That he thought he would get a bigger haul than Michael Parsons, and I thought, well, why, there's no chance.

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Speaker 5: Why would that be The age plus injury concerns is just not going to happen. I think for the Books and Patriots is a really clear opening that a first round picks makes sense for all parts involved for the raid decide it. I just think it's one of those difficult deals where it's hard to find a viue that works for everyone. Whereas part of doing the deal for Crosby will be to alleviate some of the cap burden and get thirty million plus in cap space. They've already got oodles of cap room. The for agent Cluss that you'll, you know, spend your weekend writing about isn't exactly one way you'd want to go and spend ten million on three players to rebuild the defense and then look around and go well, was significantly worse still because we don't have Max Crosby. So I think it's difficult to find a price tag that would work for both sides on this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has thirty million dollars guaranteed this year. He keeps getting those short term additions to his contract with more guaranteed money, and yet they did structure it spy tech with the last contract in a way that yeah, they they save a ton of money against the cap in real money if they did trade him. I guess I don't see I agree with you. I don't see the point for them because I think ultimately they won't get enough of an offer. But if if you told me they could get a first, second, and a third for Max Crosby, I'd probably do it.

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Speaker 4: I'd probably do it.

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Speaker 3: It would be very hard for Raiders fans, I think, to stomach it. It's like a first then a fourth. I don't even think that's totally worth it. So what it will probably end up with is a similar situation than Myles Garrett Wheer. He'll get another one of those raises, he'll get more guaranteed money, and he'll kind of do it that way. So yeah, I'm a little skeptical about Clint Kobiek. I wouldn't say he's provided like an incredible schematic advantage at each stop as an offensive coordinator. I think he's been a good head coach, but maybe not a completely transformative one.

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Speaker 4: And then that plus.

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Speaker 3: Him in front of the podium, plus just the situation in Vegas, am I a little okay to be concerned.

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Speaker 5: I would be hesitant when you look at the entire resume, would worry me, I think this year and he did kind of crust a wave this year to ride into a top job where he's want of like the go to guys for everyone looking for jobs. I do think he kind of changed his offensive approach dramatically this season. Why became all about the plays and not the plays. And I do like coaches who are adaptable in that sense when you go from play call to head coach and the thing the McVey has done the guys with those trees, where the guys who've succeeded versus the guys who haven't had as much success, is a willingness to overhaul things every single season. And it's not just the one approach banging ahead against the wall trying to find the perfect place for it every time.

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Speaker 3: So we'll find out who his staff is and we'll talk about that in the coming weeks as we find out. Mike Rabel and Drake May they got in front of a podium on Tuesday. Good on the Patriots, like get them on the podium on clean out Day and everything. Mike Rabel quickly squashed what Daniel Jeremiah talked about on our Forties and Free Agents episode this week about Will Campbell potentially moving positions. Let's listen to Rabel shut that down.

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Speaker 8: When you sign up to play left tackle, you sign up to play corner, you sign up to play quarterback, you sign up to be the head coach, you get judged, you get scrutinized. Well, it's twenty two years old. He's our left tackle. He'll get better, it gets stronger. Moments where he played well moments where he blocked the guy. You know, there's plays he'd like to have back. We're we're not moving Will to guard or the center or a tight end or anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: So I what to tell you, not as declarative when you listen to it, and like authoritative as I read it. In terms of the quotes he was taking to you, Ali, you were the one who wanted Will Campbell to play center before he entered the draft.

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Speaker 4: He's not moving him.

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Speaker 7: What do you think I understand his rationale.

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Speaker 5: What he said there was really important where he said he'll get stronger. That is the foundational concern of Will Campbell. The anchor is not at the standard to play on the edge in the NFL. And when you have a weak anchor and people run through you, which they do consistently with him, and not just run through him, they knock him back into the feet of Drake May consistently. It's like the first key play of the Super Bowl was getting dropped onto Drake May's feet running straight through Will Campbell's chest. It is so hard for an offense to work around that. That's not something you can give chip help to when you're getting off the snap for the speed rush. It's a one on one situation, and if someone just runs through your chest and drops you onto the quarterbacks feet on first contact, there's not really much you can do. And even if you move that to God, that's still a concern. All those big, powerful rushes and there you played guard in the Super Bowl where people want him to move. It's Byron Murphy and Leonard Williams. I'm not sure you want that matchup versus Nawosu or Derek Hall, the guys on the edge. So they have a serious problem with him and the anchor, and so he's got to get stronger. They've got to refine the technique. His technique right now is not good enough. He plays into his fundamental weaknesses, and so that's the technical stuff they can figure out and kind of clean up.

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Speaker 7: I think going into the second season.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the injury was a factor. Maybe it was just that he faced a very easy schedule of pass rushers when he was healthy, so that made him look better than he really was.

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Speaker 7: Did he look better than he really was? I don't think he did.

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Speaker 5: He plays vertically all the time, deep sets, vertical sets, and so he gives people a runway which is where some of the all month stuff comes in, and you're inviting a power rush. She wants to run through your face. He's got to be a guy who gets some into people's grill off the snap. He's so explosive off the ball. He sets the terms of engagement, He controls people. He's really intelligent. He gets the right angles and figures it out. Like I said, he's playing into his own weaknesses. Now that's on the staff as much as I'm Campbell to try and figure this stuff out. But I don't think it's as simple as even just move him inside one spot. He's not going to have a fundamental weakness.

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Speaker 3: Well, he played better in the sense that there were less moments of him running after the guy that just passed him and who had just sack fumbled Drake May because because the competition wasn't as good and May was doing better in the pocket avoiding it. Yeah, a tough way to end the season for Will Campbell and for Drake May.

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Speaker 4: But he's not moving anywhere.

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Speaker 3: And he also did speak to the media and said he was afraid to say some things he would regret if he had if he had said it anything to the media with tears in his eyes after the Super Bowl. But he will, he will, and their left tackle we'll see. I think the criticism of the Patriots coaching staff being like, oh, how do you leave Will Campbell on an island so much, it's like, yeah, he's the number four overall pick left tackle.

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Speaker 4: They're going to be on an island.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes, as you mentioned, the matchups were tougher on the inside. Anyways, those are the guys you traditionally double team more, and that's what they do.

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Speaker 4: Quickly.

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Speaker 3: Let's fly through a couple other things. Brian Callahan is back in the NFL. He did not get a coordinator job. Looks like he's going to be the QB coach of the Giants, so an interesting dynamic. Matt Naggie as the coordinator maybe the backup plan, while Brian Callahan as the QB coach. Darryl Bevell, our old friend from Seattle, is now one of those assistant to the head coach with the Panthers. Rob Havenstein, their longtime right tackle for the Rams, retired. I just wanted to put those all on the record on this show. One thing Schefter reported on Tuesday I found interesting is that there's a push for the NFL to start allowing teams to trade draft picks five years out instead of three years out, closer to what the NBA does. I love this. I'm curious what you think about this. Who's someone who's so deep into the draft space.

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Speaker 7: I love it.

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Speaker 5: We're in the content game. It's a transaction overaction world. That's why the NBA found itself as people talk about the trade deadline and don't watch the games. So if you want to get aj Brown on the move, all guys moving at the trade deadline, if there's more resources to go around and you're willing to throw in the twenty thirty one second round.

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Speaker 7: Pick, then we're gonna get more transactions.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I think this offseason's gonna have a ton of trades. I know that's been my corner, the trade tsunami. It's been building every single year. I think we're getting to another level here because there's so many tradable contracts and so few difference makers in free agency, and people are gonna look at this draft is maybe not as spicy, and it's just an easy way with all this cap space to improve your team and get fits where it makes sense where a guy we'll talk about later.

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Speaker 4: Like a coal comet.

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Speaker 3: Maybe doesn't totally make as much sense with the Bears, He'll make sense somewhere else. But why why just cut him? Let's get something for him. I think it's going to happen. And the reason I love this potential change more than anything is it will expose bad gms more than ever, and it will help good gms more than ever with a long term view. It's why I'm not sure the NFL will allow it, because the NFL is always trying to prevent bad teams from just being dumb and getting worse and worse. I actually think this would be bad for parody. I think we'd have a situation where there'd be some teams like the Thunder and other really smart teams just loading up on draft picks and playing the long game and getting better and just sticking at the top of the league.

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Speaker 4: But we'll see you.

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Speaker 5: Do you think they would put a Steepian rule in where you couldn't do Maybe they make it six years instead of five, but you can't trade back to back, so that the font and onto the world congo.

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Speaker 7: Trading right first round picks.

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Speaker 3: I don't yeah, like they'll call it like the Mickey Loomis trade. I don't know, like you have to. It's a sliding scale of your record and how deep into the future you can trade like Mickey. No, you're only allowed to trade one year ahead. Actually, we're not letting you sell the future of the Saints. Finally, before we take a break, and I want to leave a lot of time for our tight end talk. Here just some news on James Pierce, which we did not update last week. A lot of you guys have probably heard of this, but I just wanted to make sure it was on the show that he will be facing five counts. James Pierce, if you remember, was the player that the Falcons gave up their first round pick in the twenty twenty sixth draft to the Rams to get in in draft in the second round. He was a finalist for Defensive Player of the Year, had a lot of sack production, and was arrested during Super Bowl Week in his facing five counts felony counts of in a misdemeanor after allegedly going after Rakaia Jackson, this WNBA player in a domestic dispute. Police said that basically he fleed after what was a domestic dispute, was arrested after crashing his car. His charges include two counts of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and aggravated stocking. Jackson said in a statement she'd been trying to ed relationship with Pierce and filed paperwork saying she wants to testify against Pierce very serious charges. Obviously, something in the NFL is going to have to handle. All the Atlanta Falcons that are doing are saying that we will wait to see what authorities say, but it's a story.

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Speaker 4: Obviously we're going to hear more about.

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Speaker 3: And it's I think safe to say that the Falcons will be moving forward in the short term and we'll see about the long term, not assuming that James Pierce will be available for their twenty twenty six team anytime soon, but we will have to see there.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a break.

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Speaker 3: I want to come back and talk about another Atlanta Falcon, Kyle Pitts, and a lot of free agents that will be available at tight end. Ali, I'm putting them on the spot here is actually going to help me sort these guys out for my final rankings. At least a contribute in voice to the rankings back in a minute back on NFL Daily, Ali Connolly is gonna help me set my tight end board. I'm not gonna finalize it today, but give me your feedback. I'm gonna take it seriously because you're going through the tape. And you know, I realized this last night as I spent like an hour on Pits. What am I doing? I gotta I gotta paste this thing out. But you I could I could spend from the minute we get off this show until the minute these rankings are due just just doing it, just watching and trying to sort it, and it wouldn't be enough time, Like you could just you could do it forever. It's addicting, but it's also troubling because there's no right answer.

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Speaker 4: Ali, how do I how do I solve this?

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Speaker 5: Do you rank to your idealized version of an offense? Or do you just say this guy would globally be good everywhere in the.

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Speaker 4: NFL closer to the second version?

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Speaker 3: But that gets into the question that I have for this first tier of tight ends, like a like a Kada and versus a Kyle Pits like globally, I think Kada and or Isaia likely for that matter, fits in more more offenses.

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Speaker 4: I think in my in the version I would want to run.

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Speaker 3: Too, probably like it's just less of a gamble, less of a Okay, if I have Kyle Pits, here's the way that I'm going to have to make his skill set really shine. I think there are less paths to do that, a narrower path, and so I find myself probably ranking him a little lower than maybe other places would. But I think that gets to the question you're asking in terms of how to rank these two guys, because I guess in a perfect world, if you got the perfect Kyle Pitts situation, although the Falcons this year were I think kind of close to that, then maybe like his production is going to be higher, and maybe the ceiling is a little higher. But you can kind of see where I'm talking myself out of Kyle Pitts.

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Speaker 5: Even before I start the argument, I agree that I'm very proud of you for having Kadoten right up there with Kyle Pitts, and that's excellent. I think Pit it's a lot of false production, it's a lot of manufactured production. I think the value add he brings as this this idea, even coming out of the draft where he's going to manipulate all the formations and be this mismatch piece. I just don't think that's truly the player that he is. I think he's largely just a receiver who is called the tight end, and teams find ways to stifle that. I know he was tremendous down in the back half of last season, but teams have found a ways where they just say, well, just put a cornerback on him and we're able to eliminate a lot of what he does well. I do think if you've got him to somewhere like Sean Payton, someone who really can find a way to isolate and use a tight end, he would be really, really successful and have some really high end seasons. I just think someone like Kadoton is more of an all around winning player who actually helps you win games for well half seventy five percent of the offskin price.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I'll be curious to see because Aton might get a franchise, deg Pits might get a franchise.

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Speaker 4: Degg We'll see.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, if you're if you're watching on YouTube, Chris Pabona lovingly put together all these all these splash plays that Pitt's had, I'm gonna make the case at least four pits of why he would even be in this top tier. So for now, my top tier is pits and unlikely, and I'm trying to figure out where to sort them and obviously where they'll fit versus different positions. If I was doing this rang in a year ago, I mean Pitts would be buried. I just don't think he was a good player. I don't think he's been healthy. He was moving better this season, I thought to my eye, and especially when when you do watch down the stretch, like he's not a great blocker as far as I can tell. But they did use him way more in line for what it's worth, Like the percentage that he was in line this year. It was a lot less in the slot, a less, a lot less out wide, and the idea that you could like build an offense around him. For as much grief as Zach Robinson took, I actually thought they used Kyle Pitts quite well with the motions and he had some juice and he was fluid, and he was their number one receiver that some of these delayed routes like, they got him schemed open pretty well. And I do think he was moving better this season than he had at any point since his rookie year, and so it wasn't just like fake production. His contested catch rait was was way better, but even way better was just like okay, like he's he's not amazing, and he's not amazing with the ball in his hand. So that again, it's why I want to kind of grade him over his whole career, and he's probably gonna be lower on my overall list, But the question is do I put him over and then likely who I'm kind of leaning towards as my next tight ends of the group.

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Speaker 5: It is a tricky one because I get what you're saying with Pitts, there is more upside, there's more of the splash play creativity, but just down to down Kate often to me as a significantly more impactful player, both with the room looking what he puts on the menu in the wrong game, which then puts on the menu for you in play action. I guess the trigger thing is that stuff that becomes on the menu in play action is the stuff where someone like a Cale pits feast. So with often you need a dovetail with him to kind of make that stuff sing, which I do kind of feel you need with Pits too. You need someone who can help set it up. So they're two completely contrasting players. It's more of what you're looking for, I think, and it's more of the type you're looking for.

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Speaker 7: I just think Pitts is.

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Speaker 5: What you're going to have to pay him is based way more on the reputation, and people would default back to their pre draft idea of him, look at the final ten games in Atlanta and pay for that version. And I'm just not sure that that version is going to be worth the price tag.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you told me you're getting twenty twenty five Pits consistently for the next couple of seasons, I would bump up what ends up being my final overall ranking. For the problem is he has had these injuries, and I'm judging on the four year career, not just what we saw last year. So ultimately I'm not overly high on him. Kadau and Isaiah likely have something in common that even a football head like you, I don't think could come up with about how their seasons ended. I guess I'll ask you. Can you I'm putting out on the spot, Kate out and unlikely how their seasons ended.

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Speaker 7: Tough, how the seasons ended, I don't know. Tell me.

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Speaker 3: They both had like the final what should have been game winning catch. I think in Aughten's case, he did set up the winner there for the Bucks in week eighteen, and then likely I kind of forgot, like had the last play of the John Harbaugh era, skying over Jalen Ramsey and reminding you of why everyone's thought Isaiah likely should be a more productive player than he's really been throughout his career.

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Speaker 4: Went up for it.

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Speaker 3: Ravens get a little conservative run the next play and then missed that field goal that would have sent them, So they both had what would have been a game winning type of catch. For Aughten, he was lined up in line and then he just goes across the formation and crosses merrig And in his wide open and going back and watching him on tape, like, look, he's not going to wow you as much as likely will in terms of his ball skills or.

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Speaker 4: In terms of his speed.

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Speaker 3: But would it be fair to call him I don't even know if he's a poor man's AJ Barner. Maybe a poor man's AJ Barner, but just allowing you to kind of run the type of offense you want to run in twenty twenty five. I love me some Aj Barner, so I don't personally if I was taking Barner or and I think I would go Barner just because of his physicality. But Barner's kind of developed into a guy you can basically play every snap and be a plus starter, even though I don't feel like Bucks fans like him a lot. I did text your friend John Ledyard, who you do the Readoptional podcast with a couple of weeks ago, talking about and then he told me how Bucks fans aren't really that high in him, but he's a good player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think even AJ Bond would say, well, that's incredible you comparing me to Kate in that camp. I Thinkon is like a foundational piece where if you drew up, now, what is the prototype of tight end you want? You cannot go on and just saying you want one of the special ones. It's like unrealistic, right, But of who is in that maybe second tier camp who just looks exactly like what you want to tight end to be the type of guy like Brenton Strange we talked about throughout the season. Kate Oughten is slap bang in that camp. A guy who is exceptional blocking on the move opens up your entire offense. Isn't this dynamic guy after the catch, He's going to stretch the field, but is it in all the right spots, all the right times, catches everything thrown his way and just makes the offense more explosive by his presence and is an outstanding run blocker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he does he have a touchdown dance like Barner? Is he six foot eight like Barner? Am I overrating AJ Barner? I just feel like he helped unlock that that offense so well.

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Speaker 4: I love me some AJ Barner.

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Speaker 7: I love AJ Barner.

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Speaker 5: I just think Aten is a slightly better all around player, bit more nimble, can move a little more. Bonner I think was really impactful to unlocking what Seattle could do in the second half of the season, particularly in the wrong game. But I just think you can you can do a little bit more with Alton.

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Speaker 4: Two year advantage though.

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Speaker 3: And I do think it's a position where, especially the guys that are asked to do so much blocking in a perfect world are going to peak years three, four, five, six, you know seven. So that Barner was good and I think that's true of Ot, and he's really improved. I think in his career. Am I too much of an Isaiah Likely fan who's going to be on this show? To put him with these two guys? It sounds like we're both leading maybe a hot take and putting out in over pits in the ranking? Does Likely belong in this tier or does he belong with the next group, which probably is like Chigo Konquo Dallas Goddard still a good player at thirty one years old in djoku?

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Speaker 4: Is in that mix? What do you think about Likely?

00:27:52
Speaker 5: I love me some Isaiah Likely. He had to reminds me of God in terms of where he's at his best in his usage, which is a lot of these like splitting back across them. He's an incredible block up on the move. He's not a guy you like lining up and sale let's run behind him and it's like having ground cowskill one of the great tight ends. But opens up a ton for the ravens in terms of how he can move across the formation loky guys attack them and then has juice that I think a lot of the other people we were told about don't quite have that vertical juice. I think he has still incredible untapped potential to have a monthst the season, right.

00:28:23
Speaker 3: I mean that's well, that That's the part I'm struggling with because if you just kind of were scouting these guys for the draft, but the NFL Draft, and you're just watching the tape, like, wouldn't you take Likely over both and THEND pits at this point because it just looks so good, and you're like, oh, the college, you know, the college he went to, they didn't really know how to use him. Why did he only get thirty six targets? Why did they sign it? The you know, why did Mark Andrews keep getting in like another contract? All that worries me. I'm like, what are the you know, the Ravens are a smart team. He has a great quarterback with him, so the fact that he never was insane productive and never including this year, was like a featured part of their offense worries me. Like, weeks fifteen and sixteen of this season, Ali, he didn't have a single target. I was like, did he not play? No, He's out there forty five snaps. So maybe what am I missing with Likely? Or should we just be grading on potential because part of me thinks like he's more exciting than Kate Atten or Kyle Pitts.

00:29:26
Speaker 5: It depends on what gets you out of bed in the morning. Often makes me excited just for the predictability of how he plays the position. Likely has probably the five highlight plays that get you really fired up. And I think if you were asking someone like a Liam Cohen, someone in that vein who's really creative about offense, they would say, get me some Isaiah.

00:29:44
Speaker 7: Likely.

00:29:44
Speaker 5: I can do fun things with him that wouldn't be available with the others. And he's willing to block and is up for the fight in a way someone like a Kyle Pitts may not be, And so there's real untop potential.

00:29:54
Speaker 4: Lere Well.

00:29:54
Speaker 3: Also, he joined us on NFL Daily, so that's we also saw him in the elevator on the way out on Saturday, me and me and my son. Very nice guy, an enormous man. I like, what do you like? Why do you think like the the Ravens signing Mark Andrews to another contract in November bothers me like maybe they just really thought they could not get Likely. We're about to listen to this conversation. But my takeaway even more from like what he didn't say just vibes wise, was like he knew his big contract is coming, and it's almost certainly not coming with the Ravens. Maybe maybe he got offers during the season and he was just like, oh, we're not even gonna discuss this, and that's why the Andrews contract happened. But also he never was that big of a part of the offense. So like, do you think there is some sort of reason I'm missing here?

00:30:46
Speaker 7: I can't see the reason.

00:30:47
Speaker 5: I think a player in there who can get way more pacare I think it'll be interesting to see if the Browns are interested in top Monkin is like, I think there's more in that we weren't able to get to and we could do a fun Harold Fan and Isaiah likely too tight and mobile position versatile type players and have some fun with this thing and they not be a pretty big tell if they were a team that was at least interested, you know, if they can't get a deal done.

00:31:08
Speaker 4: I like what you said up for the fight.

00:31:09
Speaker 3: He talked about that that he really grew to embrace loving the fight of the blocking and he's a willing blocker and he's a physical guy.

00:31:20
Speaker 4: Do you think okay? The next group Travis Kelce.

00:31:23
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of putting to the side like he's a Kansas City chief. I'll have to figure out where he goes in the overall structure. But he's just he played pretty well last season. I thought he was good last season. But he's also just almost different than the rest of this conversation. The next group I have is Oconco god her in in Djoko. If you're making this list, do any of those guys go up into the tier above? And how are you sorting them? I think there's some similarities between those guys Chicoconco for the listeners who are not familiar, is you know, coming to the end of his rookie contract, a big physical tight end for the Titans, who reminds me in a lot of ways how John new Smith's rookie contract went with the Titans. Obviously, Dallas s Gotdter one of the best tight ends of his generation, still very productive. And then in Djoku made an announcement on Instagram saying goodbye to the Browns after saying a few months ago he'd be a Brown forever, but He's at the end of a contract that has a void year on it, and I think he knows where the wind is blowing that they're not going to bring him back and he'll be a free agent.

00:32:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dallas Gotta is one of my favorite players of the past five six years. How much is still in there, whether the Eagles would just bring him back or not, I'm not so sure he had the production this season. I thought his down to down play was a pretty steep drop off than what we've seen in recent seasons. Him as this kind of architectural type of what we talked about with Kate often unlikely, this guy who can block on the move and it's kind of ding has not been a great block because when he's in the trenches on his own one on one, it doesn't jump off the screen. But what he opens up for you as a movable piece playing in the backfield at such a high level that I still do love me some Dallas Gotta and a Conco's got some of that Tis game too, without the tread and the tie is. I think he's one of the more under the radar rains who could have a big sooge somewhere else.

00:33:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like Oconko, he's kind of a one be likely in that I always thought he was going to be more productive. I mean, he's also my type that just a big athletic guy who can make some vertical catches, but also when he's rolling down the field and running over linebackers. He did it so quickly as a tight end, as a rookie who it's a hard position to adapt to that you thought there'd be more but the production never really changed that much.

00:33:42
Speaker 4: But you can leave him on the field, and I'm with you.

00:33:45
Speaker 3: I'm kind of leaning towards almost bumping him up to the bottom of the tier below in what will be the overall rankings. And if i'm picking up whether you're putting down, I think God are a little lower there.

00:33:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Gotta has tremendous value to one friend and maybe not to plenty of those. A conquo is a difficult one because I do think the run game stuff is a real problem. He has a little bit of the pits where it's are you just getting a guy who wants to be a wide receiver but teams don't even address as kind of a mismatch piece to have that impact. And we've seen this with Dalton Kincaid and Dawson Knox with Buffalo. You can only have so many mismatch guys, and if they're not truly creating a sizeable mismatch, if the team, if the defense doesn't respect it, it's not a mismatch. If they just put a dB on that guy, it no longer becomes that kind of a mismatch for the offense. And so with a con Quo, it's a little bit like, are you just drafting a slower receiver when you could just have a receiver on the field, which is kind of where the Titans have got to consistently of saying we'll just put a receiver on the field rather than have Chig out there.

00:34:44
Speaker 3: And Djoku, I just don't think is the consistent player that you want a little up, up and down right now. Of all the there's a long, other list of just others. Darren Waller act had a good year for the Dolphin.

00:34:59
Speaker 4: He came back.

00:35:00
Speaker 3: I do I have to put Darren Waller on my one on one I and like, here's just a bunch of names I want to throw because I I want to get to our interview. You know, Waller, Tyler Higbee when he came back, was he's a consistent player, like he's going to help someone if it's not the Rams. Daniel Bellingers had some production with the Giants, is now now a free agent. Then we get pretty deep into it where it's the tight end two threes with Austin Hooper and Charlie Kohler and probably not names that are going to make my list, but just in case they stand out to you. I don't know anyone there that you have a soft spot for that you think might deserve a one oh one rank am.

00:35:34
Speaker 4: I'm like, does Darren Waller deserve to get back in there?

00:35:36
Speaker 3: The end?

00:35:37
Speaker 5: I would rather be in the wall of business, in the ing joku business, I think, which is why no one will have a let me run a franchise because I probably like a dummy. Eight months later, Charlie Cola, I think is really impactful and someone's gonna pick him up and it's gonna be a sneaky thing where we get to week eight of next season and says Charlie Coler, a key feature of this offense for reasons that remain on cle it, but on the wola, I would still be really interested if he still wants to play obviously as just a dynamic red zone target can still really stretch the field. I was stunned, how like live and nimble and explosive. He still looks I would be big into the wall of business if.

00:36:16
Speaker 3: He's okay, Yeah, I think I think he might sneak in there. And yeah, Cohler is one of those. Yeah, he'll get a better deal I think than people expect because every there aren't There aren't many guys like him blocking tight ends out there.

00:36:30
Speaker 4: And then finally look there.

00:36:32
Speaker 3: There could be a lot of potential cuts this offseason and potential trades like the list at tight end alone is kind of outrageous.

00:36:41
Speaker 4: I came up with TJ.

00:36:43
Speaker 3: Hockinson cutting in would save sixteen million dollars. They could use it, or a trade like that would make some sense. Cole Comet I mentioned, I don't know if he makes sense there anymore. John os Smith and Pat Fryarmuth both Ernie. I mean they barely used Friarmuth. I think he's solid, but they if you're not going to use him, he could be a potential trade target. Jonas with maybe more of a cut. Dawson Knox I thought of two those were just like a few of the guys I could see absolutely being available either in free agency or if you wanted to trade for him. I don't know if any of those guys kind of stand out as guys particularly available or that you like.

00:37:21
Speaker 5: I think fry Moof is one hundred percent available. I think if Aaron Rodgers comes back, he'll be the first guy to walk out the door. So I think you can go pick up the phone and get fry Moof today. And I don't think it's going to be that expensive, and I think it would be a pretty great Bilow candidate for two.

00:37:35
Speaker 4: I think Kip Comet too. I think he's a solid player.

00:37:38
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the Bears maybe he's solid enough the Bears just want to keep him, but he just he's like I think entering the final year of his contract, they'd save a lot if they if they wanted to trade him.

00:37:46
Speaker 4: I think he's a solid player.

00:37:48
Speaker 7: He's perfect for them.

00:37:49
Speaker 5: He's effectively an extra lineman for you, and with the way teams are playing right now, he can be an incredibly valuable number two piece. It's just the receiving element of the game is sol with a standard that it's a bit of a problem. But if you want to play in that heavier world, which a lot of teams do, and you don't want to commit to putting an extra alignment on the field, the next best thing is a coal comet.

00:38:09
Speaker 4: And I know they gave up a lot for TJ.

00:38:10
Speaker 3: Hockinson and like he you know, catches a lot of passes if you're a PPR fantasy owner, although until this year.

00:38:18
Speaker 4: But it's just a lot of a lot of money, and they need the money.

00:38:22
Speaker 3: I have a feeling he could be available or cut. That's not what I've really seen thrown out there too much. But I don't think they would miss that much if they lost TJ.

00:38:29
Speaker 4: Howkinson. I am I wrong?

00:38:31
Speaker 7: No, I don't think so.

00:38:32
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Olli's helping me set the table. He's a likely fan. I'm a likely fan.

00:38:38
Speaker 3: Hopefully Isaiah likely gets more than thirty six targets in twenty twenty six.

00:38:42
Speaker 4: Let's listen to my conversation.

00:38:44
Speaker 3: It's me, it's Nick Schook who met him at eye level, which I appreciated.

00:38:49
Speaker 4: And Isaiah likely.

00:38:50
Speaker 3: This was last week in San Francisco, welcoming in a man who is going to be ranked quite highly on my top one know one free agency list coming up by assuming he makes it's a free agency, it is Isaiah Likely.

00:39:05
Speaker 4: Of the Baltimore Ravens joining the show. Welcome Isaiah, thank you for having me mo Man. I don't know why I led with that right now.

00:39:12
Speaker 3: Maybe you know it's it's time to make make your money. So what the hell why don't you pitch me about I'm gonna watch the tape and obviously we've been watching you during your rookie contract, dynamic player, explosive. I think a lot of teams want tight ends like you, But why do you make the case to me why you should be high on that list maybe compared to you know, some of the other tight ends and just in just what you've developed in your game over the last four years.

00:39:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know, coming into the NFL, uh, a lot of people didn't say I was a great blocker. I feel like, you know, since I've been in the league, I put on tape that you know, not only a my wiling blocker, but I'm also not you know, somebody that goes on the field and you know what the concept is.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know if it's a.

00:39:55
Speaker 2: Past pass, player, run play or for play action anything. So just being able to be on in the field, being able to do in line, outside, in the slot in the backfield. I feel like, you know, just being able to be that chess piece for the offense for the Ravens, you know, as I was the last four years, being able to be out there and then when the balls in my hands, being able.

00:40:12
Speaker 1: To hit a home run from anywhere.

00:40:14
Speaker 2: So I feel like that's just, you know, something I bring to the team, whether it's you know, enthusiasm on the field or on the sideline. I feel like, you know, being a leader is what I had.

00:40:21
Speaker 9: I like the idea of being a chess piece because if you think about the way you fit into the Ravens offense, it's you and Mark Andrews. But as you approach free agency, a lot of teams are gonna look at you as tight End one for sure. What would you tell them if they were skeptical about you potentially owning that role?

00:40:35
Speaker 2: I say, with me, at tight end one, you get, like I said, the chess piece. I mean, I've prided myself on knowing where everybody is on the offense, whether it's what a receiver has the running back where the quarterback protections is, you know how the drop the you know, the yard marks on what I have to do with my route. So being able to just being out there and be able to get open for the quarterback. I mean, I pride myself on being able to make spectacular grabs, you know, whether it's down the field or into media or whether it's short. Being able to have that you know piece where the quarterback trust me to put the ball in my hand and make a play for him.

00:41:06
Speaker 3: I mean, and they ask you to block that. Obviously you're willing, you have no choice, but that surprised me at times. How like that that's such a big part of your role. What was it like kind of these last couple of years. And I know Todd Mounkins moved on, it's going to be a different type of Ravency, but but being a part of that offense with Lamar and the kind of versatility that you guys had, Like, what was that experience, especially these last two years.

00:41:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'll start off with when you play with the Ravens, you know that as long as you have Duce Duce Derek Henry behind you're gonna run that ball. So it's just getting into the mindset of, Okay, I can't have my guy make the play because one, I don't want to hear Dereck Henry say nothing.

00:41:49
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear Lamar say nothing. And I don't want to be, you.

00:41:52
Speaker 2: Know, the guy that always has you know, blocking backside or tackle loss for my guy. So really just taking the standpoint of just never let my guy to make the play, whether it's unblocked for Lamar and the outside and the quarterback driven blocking for Derek Henry on the goal liner in the millfield, and really just being able to, you know, trust my leverage, just whatever I have and understand that you know, I'm never gonna be the biggest guy blocking. So just going from my standpoint of, okay, what can I do for my guy not to make the play. And that's most most of the side of you know, outside where we had Lamar Jackson, where it's if he has the ball in his hands, you know, he always gonna make at least two people miss. So making sure that you know, I get him Alayne to run where he's clean slate.

00:42:28
Speaker 1: So he can hit twenty one.

00:42:30
Speaker 9: Can you take us inside the mind of because like when people think about catching passes, first they think of receiver, but that they think of tight end. And obviously you'd like to be running routes all the time. Sure you know you blocked because you have to, but you're also willing to. So can you take us inside the mind of a tight end on the field on a Sunday like, because you know that you're not just looking to catch passes for sure.

00:42:48
Speaker 2: And I say, you know, the emphasis you know in our room is when you're one eleven. And I mean whether that's in the blocking game, whether that's in the past game, we's in the pass protection game, whether that's anywhere on the field, because football traditionally into segments and situations, so you know when you're up on when you're up in Baltimore, it was a lot you know last year whereas four minutes drive, well a lot of teams are four minutes know that you're going to run the ball. So it's now it's a willing on. Okay, how do we get those two first downs to in the game. So now it's we're a heavy person out where you have at least three tight ends on the field.

00:43:21
Speaker 1: Count Pat Patrick hard, and how do you.

00:43:24
Speaker 2: Get those two first downs to get victory formason end or it's when you're a tight end they're in two minute drive before the half or and in the game. How do you get those first downs to get a chance to have your kick and make a game winning field goal or to win a game winning touchdown? And I feel like, you know, with Baltimore, they were let me go, whether it's outside, in the slide, in line motion me and be able to you know, have matchups where it's okay, Isaiah's on the linebacker, Okay, how do we get them the ball the quickest way possible. Isaiah's on the safety. How do we get the ball up up high enough to make him go and make a play. Isaiah has a corner on him. How do we have a big body player make a play? And I feel like, you know, Baltimore did a great job with me last cup years being able to, you know, show the world my standpoint emphasis on what I can do with the ball in my hand or in the route get I.

00:44:06
Speaker 3: Mean, you're showing the world what you can do with that chain for people watching on YouTube, a big.

00:44:14
Speaker 4: Chain.

00:44:15
Speaker 3: I don't know what my question is, but I mean, if you're gonna wear a chain like that, I feel like you're gonna want to talk about it a little bit.

00:44:21
Speaker 10: I mean, okay, so this my first chain, come into the league, and I got my area code six point seven where I'm from Massachusetts, and then likely and then obviously I got my initials for everything detail.

00:44:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, I didn't realize you were a massive.

00:44:38
Speaker 1: Where are you from?

00:44:39
Speaker 3: I'm from Western mass You're born in Cambridge, Yeah, you're you're classy er. I'm I'm out on the stick. What was it like like being next to the Lamar for fort, Like, I don't know if you have any perspective that maybe the average fan someone like me wouldn't wouldn't have that that something you see in practice that just like that makes you say, wow that just the rest of the world doesn't even see.

00:45:04
Speaker 1: I say, you know, my first time meeting Lamar.

00:45:07
Speaker 2: Everybody, you know, when you play Madden and you packed the Raven, you paid Lamar Jackson, You're making plays all around the field doing crazy stuff.

00:45:14
Speaker 1: So you know, my first day seeing.

00:45:16
Speaker 2: Him do out there on the practice field, and then like literally telling my friends, like teesting my friends. Right when I get to my locker, like, bro, I just have my first practice with Lamar Jackson and then like him just walking up to you know, my locker and smacked me upside the head like just.

00:45:29
Speaker 1: Doing it, like he just had no reason, just did it. And I was just like dad, Lamar, like what it is?

00:45:33
Speaker 2: He was just like so so just having you know that you know, big brother of mentality with him, and I feel like we've grown to the aspect of you know, that's my big brother. At the end of the day, like I do anything for Lamar, right, run different, that's my guy. And that's why I stand up here and talk about how good he is and how great he is because at the end of day, like he'll do anything for the team for you as long as he loves you. And I feel like, you know, him opened me up with open ours my rookie year, being a super super star caliber player that he is was just you know, art warming because at the end of the day, like I've seen him as Lamar Jackson, like NFL MVP, everything all glitz and glamour of everything he's done. And then like him, she just opened me up, open arms, call him l call him big brother, laugh and joke him all day.

00:46:15
Speaker 1: I can hit it.

00:46:15
Speaker 2: I can hit Lamar upside of the head in the middle of the day and want nobody you won't say nothing about it.

00:46:19
Speaker 1: He'd probably hit me back. But that's just my big brother.

00:46:21
Speaker 3: It's like you gotta say, it's not gonna go as well for me, shod quick.

00:46:27
Speaker 9: It'd be like a little like yeah, put you in a little choke hold and give you a nooggie, like your little brother type of thing. It sounds like Lamar went from like mythical figure to like brother. You know what about you know, being on the field in that VK team game in Pittsburgh, Like, can you take us back through that moment, those moments, especially in that wild fourth court.

00:46:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say fourth court, Like okay.

00:46:46
Speaker 2: I always tell everybody like when Lamar gets in this mold where it's like he'll get on the sideline and like he's like telling everybody like it don't matter what's going on out there, as long as I have the.

00:46:57
Speaker 1: Ball in my hand, we're gonna do.

00:46:58
Speaker 2: We're gonna score his drive and and that fourth quarter in Pittsburgh, he had that look and I told everybody on that sideline like as long as A has the ball last in this game, we're going to win this game. So you know, that whole fourth quarter where he's doing everything, breaking tackles, breaking sacks, throwing touchdowns.

00:47:12
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

00:47:13
Speaker 2: And then we get to the fourth down play where it's like, okay, the first three plays, their first two plays didn't work.

00:47:20
Speaker 1: Now we're in third down.

00:47:21
Speaker 2: Now it's like, okay, we're getting the huddle, we get to break, we get to breathe a little bit.

00:47:24
Speaker 1: And I looked at L and I was like, look, if anything, if anything, look at me.

00:47:27
Speaker 2: I got you like, and I try to have that aspect of my game where it's like the quarterback's best friend. Understand that. You know, if the quarterback puts the ball in the air for me, I gotta go make a play for right, wrong or in different wherever it is. So I just gave him that looked like, if you don't see nothing out there and you see me running, just throw the ball up.

00:47:42
Speaker 1: I'll make a player. And that's what he did. And that's exactly what he did.

00:47:45
Speaker 2: He sat back, went up and just looked at it and put the ball in there. Because that's my biggest thing with L. I tell him like, if anything's put the ball up where nobody can get it but me. And that's exactly what he did in the fourth down. I went to go get the ball and then I kind of blacked out.

00:47:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's incredible. Is there there any spots to.

00:48:03
Speaker 1: Your thinking about Uh, not really necessarily.

00:48:08
Speaker 2: I mean, I obviously want to be in the situation where you know, our quarterbacks already you know, established himself showing that he's you know, able to make probably every throw in the field. Understand that I want to be, you know, in a situation where I'm prioritized.

00:48:25
Speaker 1: I can be the tight end that I want to be.

00:48:27
Speaker 2: I can be the tight end that the team needs me to be, and I can show the team that not only you know, am my cable making you know, splash players, but I could do everything that you need me to do.

00:48:36
Speaker 3: And look on your face I first told me like, yeah, I got a couple of but it's not why my agent exactly.

00:48:44
Speaker 9: And you think about it, though, you end up with the young quarterback tight ends tend to be the best friend, but it could be a high volume situation for you.

00:48:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I say that, you know, just watching h even the situation that just happened with Chicago, like Lovelin being that you know, best friend of Caleb in situations. I mean I saw Loveling get like fifteen targets. I don't want to say this past game or the game before that he played where they won, he had fifteen target but that that.

00:49:08
Speaker 1: Like when you have a hot hand like that.

00:49:09
Speaker 2: Tight end is hard because you have a linebackers are usually too slow to guards you a safety. That's usually the quote unquote favorable matchup. But in the tight ends perspective, I never want like if I see man covers, I gotta win, and corners are too small. So it's always just I feel like that's, you know, the best position to throw the ball to on the field.

00:49:25
Speaker 1: That's just me saying. It's not like I played a little bit of yeah attle bit.

00:49:29
Speaker 2: I feel like that's, you know, exactly exactly what the quarterbacks looking for. Whether you know Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey all these years, I'll say, Trey McBride with whoever he had quarterback, we're set throw the ball a lot.

00:49:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyler was throwing him the ball a lot.

00:49:44
Speaker 2: Brought Bowers Tyler Warren, Like I can keep going down the list, but I feel like you know when you have a quarterback, when your tight ends your best friend, I feel like good things.

00:49:51
Speaker 9: We're in a great era for tight ends too. Congratulations on being in the NFL during this time.

00:49:55
Speaker 4: It's a lot of interesting names.

00:49:57
Speaker 3: It's going to be part of our content and what we're talking about coming up because Kyle Pitts right now, Kate Otten's an interesting guy. But you're going to be high on that list, Travis Kelsey. I mean, he's probably just coming back to Kansas City. If he doesn't come back, God her a concord. There are a lot of guys that could be out there, but I'm really looking forward to seeing where you land, and who knows, it might be back in Baltimore.

00:50:16
Speaker 4: Isaiah Like they thanks for joining.

00:50:17
Speaker 1: Us, We said, you guys for having me.

00:50:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really appreciated that conversation with Isaiah Likely, And I've talked to a few people that like people are just fans of Isaiah Likely, like the dude, the player. So I do think he's going to have fans around the league, and the Browns would make a lot of sense.

00:50:33
Speaker 4: Now that you mentioned it, Ali, I'll release you where what rookies. Are you studying right now?

00:50:39
Speaker 5: Like?

00:50:39
Speaker 4: Where are you at?

00:50:40
Speaker 7: We're in full lineback in mode right now.

00:50:42
Speaker 5: I am addicted on healthy to Keyshawn Elliott of Arizona, see who I believe is like three hundred and eightieth on the consensus bull But I just saw Dane Brugla put him in his top one hundred. Dane does seem to influence all the other big balls. I've noticed that when Dane says something, all of a sudden, guys fly up. So I think we'll see Keyshawnelle you become considered like a late rise of when people just get to the film and see this guy as a really impressive linebucket.

00:51:06
Speaker 4: I love that, and I know linebackers are near and dear to your heart.

00:51:09
Speaker 3: We're going to be going through all the rankings and if for anyone that hasn't been listening to forties and freeings, I've been doing a similar type of conversation with Daniel Jeremiah, bouncing off my free agency list at quarterback, running back, wide receiver with DJ and we'll keep rolling through the positions in the coming weeks.

00:51:25
Speaker 4: That's it. We will have one more show this week and then I'm going into the mines.

00:51:31
Speaker 3: I'm putting my free agency list ready, and we might take a little bit of a long weekend here at NFL Daily, But it's one of my favorite new annual traditions, me Bill Barnwell going through the top trade candidates of the entire offseason. We nailed some of them last year. See if we can do it again on Friday. We'll see you then.