The One About Do You Have What It REALLY Takes To Survive?

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Speaker 1: Hello, my little badasses.

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Speaker 2: I am so fucking intimidated by today's episode.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm nervous, I'm shaking.

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Speaker 2: I'm never nervous about any guests, but today I have the directing staff of Special Forces. Welcome Billy, Welcome Rudy. Holy shit, you guys aren't nervous, like.

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Speaker 4: We are far from nervous.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're very thankful, but yeah, we've toppled regimes and this is not your Well, I've.

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Speaker 2: Read through your backgrounds and your your resume, and I immediately looked at East and I was like, Okay, First of all, I have so many questions, and second of all, I've never been this intimidated by anybody. So I love the show. It is absolutely fantastic. But I really relate to the people who after the first mission say I'm done and go home.

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Speaker 1: Those are the most relatable to me.

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Speaker 2: And I just immediately went into I have breast implants, so I can't go on the show like that was my excuse. Because my mother is really into it as well and said you should do this, you should test your strength. I was like, let's not because then I can say that I have all the strength in the world. But I don't have to prove anything. And that's the category that I sit well in.

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Speaker 6: Well, la la, you know what, believe it in all la la.

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Speaker 5: It's such an opportunity because we do have recruits that come on for the good reasons, like they want to reconnect to patriotism.

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Speaker 6: Some of them have parents and or grant parents that served.

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Speaker 5: Others want to see what they're made of, maybe looking for a new test or challenge. Everyone is shocked about how difficult it is in different ways, and you'd be surprised. You may think you're weak, or you may think you're afraid. You may think that it's too much, But when the chips are down and you've got other recruits suffering with you, you find something deeper inside. And we've seen it across the board in our program.

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Speaker 6: And it's not a TV show, it's really a course. We run a course.

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Speaker 5: We have an incredible production house called Mental Films that are skilled at capturing it. But we run a course and we're always surprised, aren't we.

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Speaker 4: Bro I think most people come on it because they've lost direction forgot oh they really are okay and they want to be challenged in many many ways, and some like Rudy says, you know, they may have a background of coming from a military family, want to feel what that was really about. But it's very much an individual journey. And I would say ninety percent of the people say exactly what you just said, that I couldn't do it, or I wouldn't want to do it. Maybe you wouldn't want to do it, but you could do it. You'd be surprised what you could do because we will push you physically, mentally, and emotionally through barriers you'd never ever dream of going through or doing things that you couldn't imagine. You know.

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Speaker 2: I love that you say that, And obviously you both come from a background where this has been your real life for many many years.

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Speaker 1: Billy, what was it that made.

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Speaker 2: You want to enter into this world? Not the television show, but before that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'll tell you, and it's the sas that you were a part of.

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Speaker 4: It was. But you don't just go straight into Special Forces. You have to go into a military branch and then apply to going to the Special Forces. After a period of time you have used to have to do about five years of experience of being in a normal unit. Then you go to the Special Forces for me. I grew up in UK into a very poor family of five. I was a middle child, which meant I was different, because middle child children are we are different, We're wired different. And I was wrongue I was in a lot of trouble. By the age of eleven, I was in county court. By the age of thirteen, I was thrown out of school, so I had no education. Fifteen, I was stabbling nearly and that was the turning part of my life. Where looking at my family, my mom and dad, and realizing the pain I'd put them through, I knew how to change my life. The military was that change. I knew I needed the discipline, I needed to be taught respect, and I joined the military at seventeen. I joined the Parachute Regiment. Seventy seven zero of us started and at the end of it there's all the seven of us left, and I was one of those seven. And then I spent nine years with a parachute regiment, serving all over the globe in conflict and being tested and doing things. And then after nine years I decided where to all go next, and I went to the Special Forces. At this time, there was two hundred and eighty three of US started the course at the end that looking number again seven of US finished. Wow, And I went to B Squadron two two SES, which is very famous for the Iranian Embassy back in nineteen eighty that was the first time the British Special Forces were ever seen or and yeah, and then I'll spent twenty years with the sas decorated by the Queen on a number of occasions at a wonderful career.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible. Our grandfather served in World War.

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Speaker 3: Two and then the Vietnam War, right.

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Speaker 1: And he had a silver Star. Is that I got a silver star?

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Speaker 6: So is that something that's a big time?

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Speaker 5: That is a high decoration. It's the highest decoration. Underneath the Congressional Medal of Honor, which mostly you receive posthumously mostly you die. You have to sacrifice your life to get the Congressional Medal of Honor right underneath that is the silver Star.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's not joke.

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Speaker 4: So he's obviously, you know, made a lot of sacrifices, very brave man and these great things.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible because my mom would always talk about that and you just kind of go like, wow, that's amazing, and you don't really carry with you what that actually means. So I'm having an overwhelming feeling right now.

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Speaker 3: Back to like you guys said, it's people who do the show who have like family background in it, and like that's a thing that I just thought, like for my grandpa to go through it, what.

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Speaker 4: Am I capable of? For sure?

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Speaker 2: So that yeah, and Rudy your your father was in the Marines, Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: Yep? The Marine Corps in Vietnam. And I have two fathers.

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Speaker 5: My biological fathers also a marine in Vietnam and he did two tours and was not well. Never came back to my mom. But Rudy Reus who was passed on, they both have pessed on. But my real father is Rudy Rays And I'll tell you what. He has three boys. I am his favorite, and I'm not even as biological. I mean, he just loved me.

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Speaker 6: He called me Dad. He say Dad, I say Dad, Dad is Dad. So I was.

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Speaker 5: Married as a young recomrine. And you know, when we go through selection, you have to be an infantryman. You've got to be a nobody. Just like Billy said, there's no in the Marine Corps and in British Army. You can't sign up for Special Force. There's no such thing. You have to get your basic soldiering skills and there's a culture to learn, and it's the basic soldiering disciplines, fields of fire. You never hear us our units having blue on blue shooting each other, believe it or not. If you can imagine, it's not like the movies. Combat is incredibly chaotic and it is extremely, extremely dangerous because our weapons systems.

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Speaker 6: They don't have smart bullets. They're going to go wherever they freaking go.

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Speaker 5: And to coordinate and to work fields of fire, to understand the disciplines, and to have trigger control. Man, there's so much that goes into it. But I did my very best. I never really liked guns before I grew up in Ultimately, I was orphaned. My mother gave us up. My parents split up when I was very young. But I was an athlete and I believed in fighting a good fight. I love freaking Rocky Balboa. I watch John Rambo, and I was a great wrestler in Nebraska. I learned to love discipline, and if you play by the rules and you do your best, it starts opening up other doors. So I excelled in the boy's home. After I got out of the boys home, I went into kickboxing.

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Speaker 1: How old were you when you got out of the boys home?

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Speaker 6: Eighteen years? Hold? Okay, and two little brothers.

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Speaker 5: I got them out of the boys home too, so that they could stay with me. And we worked restaurant jobs and construction, and I pursued martial art all of my teens and twenties. I never went to a bar club or anything like that. I trained, and this is what it takes if you want to be great. I trained three to five hours every single day, had a job, maintained my weight. But it was the ethics of sport and the ethics of martial art that led me to the Marine Corps. Billy was fighting over there in Kosovo and in Bosnia. Well, you too may be too young to remember, but around nineteen ninety seven, President Clinton says, all right, we're going to bring Americans over there to help our brother fighting, and we've got to stop the ethnic cleansing and the war that's happening there between.

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Speaker 6: Serbia and Croatia.

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Speaker 5: So I said, well, if another young man's got to go fight, and I'm young, I'm strong. I was twenty six. Another young man's got to go fight. I was already an international kickboxing champion. Somebody else has got a sacrifice, then I.

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Speaker 6: Have to do my part.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know really, not much about the military except in America. The Marine Corps is the toughest, the toughest freaking branch there is. It wasn't the army they sent to fight the Japanese in the Pacific.

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Speaker 6: It was the United States Marines. No one else could have done it.

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Speaker 5: So I joined the infantry. Had no idea what I was doing. It was very tough, extremely disciplined. You always fail, you're always in charge. I was always in charge. I was the onograd of boot camp and school of Infantry and the iron man.

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Speaker 6: So I failed. Every day.

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Speaker 5: Somebody messes up. Somebody in seventy freaking Marines is going to mat whether it's the boots, whether it's the how they're blouse, or whether the rank is or what have you. So I was punished every day. It's called the burden of leadership. So it's punished for about six or eight months.

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Speaker 1: How do you get punished, like, what is the punishment entail?

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Speaker 5: Are you allowed to say, oh, well, they'll humiliate you, they'll put you in the sand pit and wear you out with eight count bodybuilders and burpies. They'll make you do extra duty. They make fun of you really, really bad in horrible ways. It's because it's teaching you that attention to detail and that you're always inspecting, not expecting. This goes right to our work on the course. We inspect, we do not expect. We do a lot of dangerous work even on this course. The rope work, the helicopter work, the swim escapes. Man, it's all real deal, operational freaking risk. We need to be switched on. We check each other out, check our horneses, make face to faces, brief back, make sure we're really on the same sheet of music. That's what this was teaching me. And then I had an opportunity to try out for recon. And I didn't know how to swim too well. But I was so dominant on the land and I was such a fast runner, and I was so strong. I was ahead at the pool. It was seven hours on the land and I wait to the pool. Nobody else was there for half an hour. I caught my breath and I.

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Speaker 6: Barely made it. Barely made.

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Speaker 5: Because they thrive the little water stuff that you see broll get We're treading with half hour with our freaking rifle above our head.

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Speaker 6: We've got to go.

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Speaker 1: Thank god.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you.

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Speaker 5: Got sharks meaning other freaking recomornes swimming behind you with fins and throwing you in chokes, and you got to bring them all the way down twenty five feet, grab their elbows, squeeze, turn around, push them off. Then you have to do rescues. I mean, it's just heavy, right, But somehow I kept a great attitude. This is why they brought me all the show back in essays. I had a great attitude and I never gave up slowly but surely I may not be smart, but I'm trainable.

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Speaker 6: I love that, and it really.

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Speaker 1: Brought me a great husband. Are you married?

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Speaker 5: Well, just recently it kind of went south because I think because I do, because I do too much. I'm a successful I'm a successful veteran. I've got my own work in business. I rebuild corel reefs, I clean the house, I do the yard, I do everything, And maybe some people might feel insecure.

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Speaker 6: I guess, oh, you're.

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Speaker 1: A little too trainable, But yeah, like hold on, he's out doing himself.

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Speaker 6: Overcheap, overachiever, classic receiver.

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Speaker 1: Well do you have children?

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Speaker 5: I do, my two little babies. They love the hell out of me. Now a little did I know it's so big? But Call of Duty the video game.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm a very.

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Speaker 5: Popular character in Call of Duty, right, And my son is thinking he's the coolest because even my my character's name is Reyes and you know muscles.

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Speaker 1: So you made your character? You do you make your character?

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Speaker 6: Do they just come how they Yeah? They brought me out. That was a modeling job and everything. That's me, Doug.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I play as you are. It's really real. Oh that's incredible.

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Speaker 6: Ship. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So my son loves me and oh me and this homeboy so much. My daughter's fourteen, she's a super stud. But at fourteen, oh she eva asked me about like shoes and stuff like that. But my son and I we go on adventures. He plays hockey, We we work out together. We go to the video the video game Go Kart place.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, go crazy. But you know what he loves the most, Billy laser tag dog. He loves to play.

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Speaker 5: He's wearing my ass out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah he does. You know what would you say, Billy?

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Speaker 5: As we gotten older, we've just become more of ourselves really, I mean kind.

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Speaker 4: Of just we're still beats upon. Yeah, we're still young kids.

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Speaker 6: A heart.

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Speaker 2: Billy you have, you have kids and brand baby. I'm wondering, because you guys come from a military background, what is discipline like in your household?

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Speaker 4: Brutal? I can imagine they don't step out of line.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would either.

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Speaker 2: We talked about these parenting styles and what works. We talk about this a lot, so I want to get what it's like in your household.

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Speaker 4: Well, my kids are growing up now, so my house on force is empty, but I've got grandkids. I would say discipline was a massive thing in my house and respect. But I think we were talking earlier.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: I let them be kids. I let them grow up. I let them be I encourage them to be naughty, go out and do like kids do, knock on doors, run away, be a little bit cheeky. That's part of growing up, right, you know. But I've always taught them if it's the detriment of someone else or damaging, and when you know it's wrong and you don't do it, that is when you know. My discipline changes with them Okay, they'd be punished for that doing that, but I always encourage him to go out and do But I was also taught some respect, you know, for people, for elderly and to do the right thing. I think it works. I've got five daughters and they are all doing amazing.

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Speaker 1: That makes me really happy to hear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was a tough time as a farther, you know, because they're very pretty girls that took after me, not the more right, So I'll give We were talking about that. We were talking about this in the car. I don't know if I should tell you this, but I'm gonna so as my you know, for a father, teenage girls is your worst nightmare because the pretty, you know, guys are like guys are guys, you know. Yeah, so the guys are sniffing around. They want to be the boyfriends, which is fine. So every door to that bought a boyfriend home and they weren't allowed to do that to at least fourteen. So they come home, then they have an interview with me, and they did. So this is how the interview quite kind of went. I had my own little room and dad being there. I put Dean Martin on because I love Dean Martin. He calls me down. I'd have a cigar, Jack Daniels. I go, yeah, come in fuck and they'd be like my eldest daughter. Sorry. Second I was to Kayley, this is the best example I can give you. And she's dating a guy called Dan and he's a lovely guy. And Dan comes in. I says, shut the door, Kayley leave, Oh Dad, please as leave. So she leaves. That's down. What's your name?

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Speaker 6: Dan?

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Speaker 4: Dan? Anyway? Dan, he's a deal. Welcome to my family. You are welcome in my family. That's my precious daughter. If you hurt my daughter, that means you hurt me, which means you hurt my family, which means I'll kill you.

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Speaker 6: Oh my hell, that's true.

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Speaker 4: Right. So the little Dan's looking at me, God, what I says, Did you hear that I will kill you? I hear that. Okay, well, don't hurt my daughter, and I don't have to kill you, I says. And if I can't kill you because I'm away on deployment, my friends will kill you. So Dan's like, shock, look at me. You got the message. Got the message. Welcome to my family, Dan, goodbye? So Dan goes. Now this is one true. So I've done this with every one of their boyfriends. Anyway, I get deployed two weeks later on I won't say exactly where I'm I'm in the Middle East and my phone rings, and I'm just about to go out and slap some naughty people for doing naughty things. So I'm kind of all wound up, and my phone rings and it's my hysterical wife and I says, what's wrong. She goes, did you say you would kill Cayley's boyfriend Dan? I said, of course I did. Who do you think you are? You can't do that. I says, I can do that, and I did do that, right, so I did. Anyway, She goes, well, his mom's a lawyer and she's been on the phone and they're talking about on the police. Tell them to go to the fucking please, that's my daughter. So I put the phone and I go out. We do this job, this raid. I slapped some naughty people. So I'm a little bit happy enough back to notice my phone's got like twenty miss calls and I don't recognize that number. So it rings again. I pick it up and it's an English lady on the phone. She's ranting and raving and went right, calm down. Stop. Who are you? She says, I'm Jenny. I says, sorry, I don't know her Jenny. She said, well, I'm Dan's mom. I went, sorry, Dan, oh, Cayley's boyfriend. Yes, apparently you said you would kill him. If your daughter says that's right, she goes, how dare your says listen, he's a deal. I will kill him, and I'll kill you and your husband as well. And you know what, I've never had a problem with.

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Speaker 5: My doors her husband.

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Speaker 4: Now, no, no, Danny's missing in action.

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Speaker 6: I would have been too, so wipe my ass and got on the way.

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Speaker 4: I've got to tell you the rest of this story is this is very true. Right, So in the regiment, and yes, there's some nasty people, I say nasty, wonderful people. Nasty people, not people you want to piss off. So there's a guy called Monster, and he's called Monster for a fucking reason.

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Speaker 2: Does he have an accent like yours? Because I'm already terrified.

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Speaker 4: Yes he does. Okay, but Monster's hug you like rudey on steroids. This guy is ship and he's a he's a great guy, and he knows my kids. He watched my kids grow up, so I have to. I had this conversation. I'm away fighting a war and it's a Sunday afternoon and Kaylee, my daughter, is walking over the bridge with a boyfriend and land coming the other side is this monster of a man and it's monster and he looks. He sees Kayley goes your you're Billingham's kid. She's like yeah, she goes a new U because I'm Dan. Well, Dan, you hurt her, I'll fucking kill you and walks.

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Speaker 2: You, guys, where is Dan? Someone needs to do a wellness check on her.

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Speaker 4: God bless Danny.

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Speaker 6: He's probably he's got a different name.

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Speaker 4: Lives on an island somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Sitting there rocking in the fetal position, worried that we.

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Speaker 4: Laugh at Joe. But yeah, I was pretty strict with my kids. I still am. But I'll tell you what it worked. My kids are doing great things, my grandkids are doing great things, and I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I appreciate.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that because I'm a single mom, and I sometimes go back and forth with the battle of I've chosen to be a single parent. So so my my first born, I had you know, the normal way.

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Speaker 1: Fall in love, bump peepies have a kid.

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Speaker 2: It didn't turn out the way that I wanted it to with my ex, and so I went the route of getting a sperm donor for my four month old.

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Speaker 1: And I love that part.

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Speaker 2: But when I hear you guys talk about your kids and how you discipline, I find and I make it hate for this, but there's nothing like And I had a great dad, but I knew that when Dad checked in, we weren't fucking playing anymore, for sure, And so sometimes I worry about that. So I may be calling you, billy to be like, yo, are need a disciplinarian or they got a boyfriend?

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Speaker 4: Buns, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 5: I have two children. One's a boy, you know, one's a girl. Dylan is twelve and he doesn't like girls, which is awesome. All he wants to do is train, play hockey, lift weights with dad, give me dissertations on the Gettysburg address because he loves history. He's just he's my kind of little man and he loves me, and we just do freaking men's stuff and boys stuff and lift weights and.

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Speaker 6: Do martial arts.

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Speaker 5: But he has both My children have Asian mothers and Asian families.

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Speaker 6: That are steeped in respect and tradition. Both the mothers are doctors.

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Speaker 5: Both their families come here as both are actually both the mothers are immigrants themselves. They know the value of a dollar. They are extremely hard working. My son's grandfather is a martial artist as well and a neurologist.

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Speaker 6: She's an oral surgeon.

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Speaker 5: The books have to come first before any fun on the ice, and if you want to spend time with Papa Ruti, then the marks need to be high.

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Speaker 6: A matter of fact, both the kids go to extra school.

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Speaker 5: You know, their mothers and their families are very disciplined about really being competitive, and they may not like it now when they get older, it will be paying dividends. Now with me, when somebody's acting out of line or not showing respect, it just drop the voice and I look them in the eye and boom, it's squared away. That's the most important part is that they respect their fathers because they love them, and I definitely shower them with love and attention as well. Like when he raised his kids, he was always on operation. I've been on operation and gone until really I retire ten years ago. Nowadays, the time with our loved ones is number one and they can't.

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Speaker 6: Go out and do the awesome stuff that we do.

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Speaker 5: So anytime and every time and we're off of work, we're doing stuff with the kids.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I wonder this all the time.

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Speaker 2: When you guys would go out on missions, right, and you had a goal, and I know that you both. I saw the word sniper in both of your guys as bios. But when you go into a mission and you know what you have to do, is there ever a thought in your mind because your fine tuned machines, period, but do you keep the human aspect with you where you're like, this could go terribly wrong and it could be my last day on Earth?

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Speaker 1: Time Every time I.

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Speaker 6: Do, yeah, I always know that it.

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Speaker 5: I mean every moment we've been in heavy heavy kinetic warfare. I've had the bullets just go through my windshield and the RPGs just miss me and man, I mean hell fire rockets coming in from the cobras and then skirmishes pushing on the flank.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's been freaking heavy. However, I know.

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Speaker 5: That this could be it, but I have no barrier between me and what must be done. And in some ways I'm not even afraid. I understand the risk. But if I got afraid, I think I would.

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Speaker 6: Freeze or slow down. I look back now at.

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Speaker 5: Some of the heavy stuff I fought Fellujah on Ramadi, which is just freaking pannemonium in the ring nowadays, I'd be a little bit scared, or I would slow down and say, hey, let's just think about this a little bit more. Hey, let's just wait a second. I wonder if my aggression and plus your teammates are your best friends that are just as skilled and just as badass as you. You will not be killed because somebody stabs you or shoot you in the back. And you will not be killed because somebody hits you from the flank, because that's good. You may get killed going head to head, and that's all all I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 6: I think that's why I was successful.

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Speaker 5: I was so conditioned, and I had such trust in my team, and we lived it.

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Speaker 6: It was not a job for us, it was a way of life, right.

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Speaker 4: The thing is, I mean every time before we step out to go and do a mission, that was the time when you put to bed those sort of emotions and those things you know, you look the pictures of my kids and what's important to you and making sure everything squared away. And that's why I'm a massive, massive advocate and push a lot about how important time is. You know, that last phone call, making sure that we weren't arguing, the kids weren't arguing. We're all happy. Listen. You know, I wouldn't tell them what I was doing, but I'd walk out. I'm getting dressed. The last thing I'd do is I walked out of the room to get on the helicopter to do whatever we were going to do is look at those pictures of kids and think, you know, that might be the last time I'll see them. But then that's it. That's compartmentalized now and you're learned to do that. I never went into any any fight, any battle with that in my mind that I wanted the kids again, that was already done. Once I've stepped onto the alicopter.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 4: I'm in a different mindset, and it's it's it's kind of selfish in many ways. To be fair, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think so. I think that.

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Speaker 3: What you're doing is so unselfish that I feel like you can't feel selfish doing that.

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Speaker 4: You had to want to do what you're doing and believe because.

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Speaker 5: The glory, I think this is what's interesting by trying to say, and this is some deeper ship right here.

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Speaker 6: We loved the edge.

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Speaker 5: That and the things that we could do because not everybody could do some of the things. Well there's not a lot of people that could do those things, and we felt so freaking rewarded, not really with money, but with each other, with you know, I.

00:26:36
Speaker 4: Believed in what I was doing. I was going on to make the world a better place. I was going out to my sacrifice that I might not come back, but I feel if I died doing what I'm doing a good thing. I'm stopping a lot of people suffering. And that's and I believe that that's what and that's and that these these are some of these people are going out to stop the suffering for don't even fucking like me, right, they don't even know who I am. But I felt, you know, this is the right thing to do to go out there. So back to what your question was, you know, those emotions and those feelings we haven't and it was always nice to walk back in the door that relief of I can talk to him again. I'll get to see him again. But there was always that moment of step off of that threshold. That's it. I'm now focused on what I need to be doing, and I believe in what I'm gonna do, and I may not come back. That's the reality of it. You know. I didn't let it play on me, And there was no way every fight I got into my Rudy's just saying, there's so many close calls, and there's many times now I'll have a beer that the airs on the back of my next dand I'm thinking, how the fuck did I get out of that? I don't know, but I think those moments those happen. You just get on with it and later on you go, hey, not today, Satan, I'm fucking coming home. And that was my that was my way of getting you know. It's now when I stand around in the bar and talk to my maids and they go, how the fuck did you get out of that? And I don't know.

00:27:55
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure you got.

00:27:56
Speaker 4: I was supposed to, but I went in there. Sorry totally. You know, folks, on what I'm doing my RT not my life back all. And that's why now I was just saying earlier, I'm my grandfather. I'm now being a father, really for the first time, because when my kids were growing up, I was literally from nineteen joining the regiment in ninety two till when I left twenty ten, I was on war footing all the time. I was never on Wow, I never saw them grow up. And I only really realized how bad that was on my kids when my daughter started crying one night and listened to me telling stories with buddies, and she said, I don't know you, dad, I don't know anything about you all those stories, and I realized it. I wasn't there. I was. I was doing what I believe was right, fighting for my country and fighting for a better world. So now I spend every second I can with those grandkids. As I showed you.

00:28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're beautiful.

00:28:46
Speaker 4: They just wrapped me around their finger. They fucking terrorized me.

00:28:50
Speaker 1: But but you love it.

00:28:51
Speaker 2: And I want to say before we move on to your show, Special Forces, the World's Toughest Test, which if you guys have.

00:28:59
Speaker 1: Not watched, is fucking gnarly.

00:29:01
Speaker 2: But I want to thank you both for what you do, what you've done for our country.

00:29:08
Speaker 1: And you know I took ocean. She's my four year old.

00:29:12
Speaker 2: And there's this airplane museum in Palm Springs and they were part of the military, you know, when there's a lot of planes that they're like, if you donate money, we can get this this girl back in the air. But a lot of big boomed painted women on this side. And yeah, exactly, or keeps your mind right. So I don't know that's what I hear from the boys, but I was trying to teach her that what we just saw in the uniforms that we just saw, you know how, And I'm trying to explain it to a four year old that you know, when you go to school and you get to play the people that were in those planes and wore those uniforms, those are the people that allow us to be able to laugh and feel safe. So that, you know, was a special thing for me because again, my father was one of those people. So you're you're both very incredible, and I'm glad that we got to talk about your backgrounds Now, let's get into this gnarly show. First of all, I want to know how it came to be. Did you guys pitch this show or did people come to you and say we have a concept now.

00:30:15
Speaker 4: This show started in around about twenty sixteen in the UK.

00:30:19
Speaker 6: Okay, it was called sas.

00:30:21
Speaker 4: Hudares Wins, which it still is today. So it started over there and it was the exact same show as it is now, but it was with non celebrities initially and just men. For the first couple of series that it was non celebrities men plus women. You know, the audience started to grow. Then it became we did one series of non celebrities and then one of celebrities, and all the celebrities that came on, all the money was donated to charity at the time. So that's where it started, initiated back in the UK long time ago, and he's still running today and we are still part of that. So I was part of it from the very second series of the shows. I was asked to do the first one. I said no, and then I joined and did the Jungle of Ecuador. I can't remember what year, twenty sixteen or something whatever, anyway, so that's where it started, and he grew and grew and grew, and America came over and watched the show and said, right, we'll replicate that. They came back to the States, tried to replicate it. It didn't really take off, so that died of death. And then about three years ago Fox then looked at the show went well, you know actually because then Rudy had come on because at the time it was four.

00:31:35
Speaker 5: Brits or Brits and they brought my crazy what the hell is going on?

00:31:41
Speaker 6: Yeah? Easy, John Rambo, you know what I mean. However, the UK brother what a moment.

00:31:49
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, dog, I walked the streets in London and bugs, it's all over you like a cheap suit.

00:31:54
Speaker 6: It's awesome. I won him over.

00:31:56
Speaker 5: But this same team, this brother has been walking through and teaching me the ropes from what almost five years ago when I first came on over there. Fox really loved what they were seeing. But the real magic is our team and our production. It is a British production. They really know how to keep it real. Yeah, and they really know Yeah it's so it's a course, it's not a TV show.

00:32:20
Speaker 2: So because that's what I was wondering, I was like, I wonder if at any point they stop and they're like, hey, can we get that again?

00:32:28
Speaker 6: Or is it So basically, it.

00:32:32
Speaker 4: Can be anything from ten days to seventeen days, depends on how many episodes I want to make. Okay, And it's a course, so we are four drill instructures for an easy word that these celebrities come onto. Our course that is everything about testing people physically, mentally and emotionally, just like joining the army or the military. And we push these people from day one to whatever day they get to and lift their lookie to the end. We put them through every challenge that we've been through or type of challenge to test them and push them through their boundaries to scare the life album and but to show them not to hurt them or not to break them, to peel them back to their raw self and prove to them when you say I can't do, we can prove to you you can. Okay, and we do and it's gonna hurt, but you can do it. So that's what it is. That's all. It's a course. It starts, it's filmed twenty four hours a day. There is no script, there's no rehearsal.

00:33:28
Speaker 2: So they're actually sleeping in that area.

00:33:30
Speaker 5: They're living in the barracks, so they're shitting in the freaking ship houses.

00:33:35
Speaker 6: We're living in the barracks. We're running in the field.

00:33:37
Speaker 1: It's what kind of food are they eating?

00:33:39
Speaker 5: Basics, potatoes, carrots, and some kind of meat and some soup, all right, And every couple of days that food gets cut down, it gets less and less because the idea.

00:33:48
Speaker 4: That the program is to find out somebody's true character, right, And the only way you find someone's true character is when they're tired, they're hungry, and they're uncomfortable. That shows you true character. We can all look good on social media, we can all look good in front of.

00:34:03
Speaker 5: It when you're feeling great and you've had a night of sleep and you've had plenty of food. When you take away their sleep and you take away their food, it's the closest thing we can give them to combat stress. And you see the real people show up, and no matter what, it's a positive thing.

00:34:20
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what.

00:34:21
Speaker 5: If the real person shows up and they're really kind of a jerk or selfish or lazy, they haven't.

00:34:29
Speaker 6: A chance to address it.

00:34:31
Speaker 5: And if they don't address it so well, their cohort and teammates, their platoon helps address it.

00:34:38
Speaker 6: It really is.

00:34:39
Speaker 5: A format and a culture that we know works because it worked with.

00:34:42
Speaker 4: Us, right, So back to the show. There's no script. So they turn up and when we're there in front of us, that is the only time we see them. So how you react. What I'm telling you in shell it not you, is how I will react to you. And it's all filmed. Okay. When they go back to their dormitory accommodations, we have no idea what goes. We're not allowed to know what they talk about, what they talk about, what they're doing. There's no narrative when the show starts, there's no The narrative is built as the show goes on, because something will happened in front of us, and we may rip them apart, you know, get stuck into them. They go back and they're fucking bitching and I'm gonna go each of it. And that's when they start to build a narrative. And then they may come to us and say, hey, is it could you possibly interview number five? They won't say why or what their story is. We have to get that out of them in the mirror room, right, and then that starts to build and we still don't see that, you know, when you're in that room, that interview, I have no idea about what you what's gonna come out in your mouth, and we're not allowed to know.

00:35:42
Speaker 2: Those are heartbreaking, by the way, heartbreaking, But that's the opportunity for growth that I think is the most important part of the show.

00:35:50
Speaker 4: That is the show.

00:35:50
Speaker 6: That is the real show.

00:35:52
Speaker 5: The course and the gas chamber of the hand to hand fighting, helicopter operations, high ropes. Those are taskers and we're looking to put you under pressure and observe you. But what happens in the mirror room is the magic. And Billy Billy's very good at that. I've learned a lot from him. I work normally on the mirror rooms with him. It's very good at it.

00:36:12
Speaker 6: But that's the magic of the show.

00:36:13
Speaker 2: There is no script and they don't give you a list of questions to ask.

00:36:18
Speaker 6: No, they don't give that.

00:36:19
Speaker 1: That's incredible.

00:36:20
Speaker 4: We choose who we want to talk to because we've watched them through the day, and I'll go right number seven. She's she's there's something behind her. You know, we've had such an experience over our twenty thirty years of being in the military, you know, being in combat, being a training people, you get to know people, you get to beat people, and you could tell something's not right with that person.

00:36:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I want to have it.

00:36:39
Speaker 4: Let's get her in tonight. Let's have a chat, Let's see what's going on, and it's you know, we start a simple process. Just make them feel calm that it's not a police interview, it's a chat. Although it is pretty intimidating whence two of us just staring at you. Yeah, I mean that room is a magic room. Even if you've come in there. If we had you in that mirror room and you've got deep secrets you don't talk, I will go to you. You will be talking about it.

00:37:02
Speaker 2: I think you'd tell me to shut up and you've heard it not I'm an oversharer.

00:37:07
Speaker 6: Or you know. What's so wild is that we're you're.

00:37:11
Speaker 5: The course is going to test to physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. The conditions we are in one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty degrees in Jordan, we're in one hundred and ten degrees with one hundred percent humidity in the jungle. We're in freezing cold, amphibious conditions. The nature of that, which we kind of tay for granted, it was our whole life was being pushed into extremity of conditions where it's just our every day. But for civilians that have never experienced it, they're freaking taking on so much. By the time they get bagged and tagged and put down sat before us and the freaking bag and goggles come off, they are.

00:37:53
Speaker 6: They just release it.

00:37:54
Speaker 4: Shoka capture yep, they just release What's what they're really going.

00:37:57
Speaker 6: To and they want to Yeah, well the.

00:37:59
Speaker 4: Reason they've come exactly, and it's amazing to see it, you know, and their backstories that most of them are sad unfortunately, you know, they've been rayed or the lad children killed or whatever it is. And like I said, we don't know. Unless I know you personally or followed you, I might know a bit about you. For me, because they're American, I have no fucking idea. So whatever's going to come out of their mouth is going to come out of their mouth. And I'm like, whoa. Now for us, you know, we're emotional people as well when somebody's talking about their child dying or it's fucking hot, So but we have to keep the poker face Okay, got it, got it, And then we have to listen to that story go a little bit deeper. Feel we need to or get what we need out of them to make them feel better, and it's you know, so we then understand where they are any and then we have to come out with some way of pick them up, get them out. Let's get them fucking back on the feet.

00:38:50
Speaker 2: I think that would be the hardest thing is once they tell you such, I'm horrendered really to be like, now go jump out of a helicopter and to freeze.

00:39:00
Speaker 4: No, no, because now listen, you have just spilled your whole life out and everything that's bothered you. Yeah, you can't get any low on it. They come out, So they walk out of that room, honestly, and yeah, you'll see a total different person when they the next time, seeing because they've got they felt good about. You know, when you're in a situation in a relationship and you've got something you really want to get up in the chest and you don't, then it comes out, Genn, it comes out with a fight and an argument, but it's gone and then you think, I wish I'd have just sorted that out earlier. Right, that's what that situation is for them. So they come out and right, there's only one answer to anything when you're in darkness, right, and this is how we get through how I get through it anyway, most of the situations have been in we've been in as well. You know, you see them there for bad, bad situations been there before, so we've got some experience. Now, if you're start in front of me spilling out your heart, your sadness, you're firstly in my head. I'm going right, it's because something has happened. It's already happened. That's the key. It's already history. It's happened. You can't change it. Your child's died, or this has happened. It's done. You can't change it. Okay, Now, of course it's hard, it's difficult. Now. The only thing you can do now is accept it is painful. But you've got to move forward because time is all we've got. You've got to pick yourself up and go. You know, I can't change it. What can I do? I can make a better version of myself and enjoy what I've got left, because we don't know what we've got left. And that is the answer. History already happened. Time is the most important. Pick yourself up, move forward, and the easiest way or the best way I always find to get people is all of a sudden, turn it off as if it doesn't really matter. Of course it does, but make them feel ship. Okay, I've said it. Now let's go distract them from that sadness into let's go it almost like breaking the reassurance, almost breaking.

00:40:53
Speaker 5: That negative loop in there, and you know one of us will end up and it's it's a it's a fine line. When people start going so deep in the dark, we know we're gonna freaking stop it right there, and it's time to get serious because we still got a lot of training to do, right or you see someone actually being unburdened and they start to feel even a little happy than one of us.

00:41:16
Speaker 6: God, I mean, no matter what, we get them in the now, it's the history.

00:41:21
Speaker 5: We've we've all got scars, everybody in this room, we've all been through things, we all got regrets.

00:41:25
Speaker 6: But that's then we.

00:41:27
Speaker 5: Need you here now now, Yeah, not just you, not just you, but your team as well.

00:41:32
Speaker 2: Let's go, how how do you guys pick the missions that they do? And like, are there any that they that you guys think of? And then go that is way too dangerous.

00:41:43
Speaker 6: No, no, we never say it's way to every production.

00:41:46
Speaker 4: Sometimes everything they do we will do before and we've done. Everything they do is based on something real that we've done in the military. Well, you get production, the director who's got this great idea and actually fucking stupid he thinks is a great idea in terms of right, Billy, rudy, what we're going to do today is this and we'll listen. No, we fucking ain't. This is what we're gonna do, okay, because I'll give you an example. You know, a lot of my friends say to me, a billy, when in the Special Forces, did you run up a hill carrying tires and a log? Well we fucking didn't, did we. But we run up there carrying amminition. That represents ammunition and.

00:42:22
Speaker 5: Crew served weapons and massive machine Right, So when you see carrying a big log across a big open field and being shot at, that represents taking a body.

00:42:32
Speaker 4: Off the battlefield, which we've done. You know, ab sailing into the water, it's because it's covert. It's a sneaky way of getting into the target. So everything they do is based on something that we have done. And you know, we don't know the time to explain every situation. But it's it's all there to test people, you know, physically, mentally and emotionally. You even scared of, you know, open spaces, cold water heights or can find spaces, will test you on every one of them. Find But we monitor everything every single night. We have which never gets shown on the show, when they go to bed after eighteen nineteen hours of working, because that's every day what they do. We've still got an hour and a half where we sit and we'll talk about you. Right, where was she today? Yeah, physically she's good. We don't need to push it any more. Let's look at her mental side. What was she like? She's petrified the fights. Okay, let's get on this task tomorrow and make her do you know, and we'll but we might not to hurt you, ought to break you, push you to the point, and we might watch him very very closely. Okay, she's give her a hundred percent. She's past that barrier. That's we don't need to go any further. She's done and that's and that's every single person. That's why when they go, wow, how is this show? Fair? Affair? Show? You've got you know, a six stone one hundred pound young lady, You've got a fucking two hundred pound muscle mud who can run all day. How is it fair that they're both Well, it is because a muscle mode, we'll expect him to run at fucking speed that we dictate. The lady could just finish it. That's hundred percent. So it's all balanced up. Okay, there's no concessions. Everybody does the same stuff. But we do know where your hundred percent point is. We know what yours is. And is this different to mine?

00:44:13
Speaker 5: Well, we all have strengths, and we all have strengths and challenges. And what we find which is so magnificent is the beautiful production and the shooters and the cinematographer. As directors, they see the grandiose, gorgeous tasks from the bridge, from the helicopter, these amazing underwater escapes and so on and so forth.

00:44:35
Speaker 6: What you see bring.

00:44:37
Speaker 5: Out the best as a team and as an individual is no tech at all. We simply have them carrying boats and carrying equipment for long periods of time, and the strongest people almost always burn out. The weak people have to step up.

00:44:55
Speaker 2: Do you think that's because mentally, maybe they feel like they've got an upper hand, Like, for example, you've got two ex football players this season. You've got Cam Newton, who I know from he played for the Panthers, and then Golden Tate, who I cannot remember, but I always remember that fine looking face. I was always with his helmet on. I was like, that's a fine looking motherfucker. But I always wonder like, did they go in thinking I've got this because I'm yes, I knew that Cam was going to be an issue the moment you got onto the boat and you go what's your name?

00:45:29
Speaker 5: And he goes, Cam, I don't like your attitude.

00:45:33
Speaker 6: Stop drop the attitude. Drop the attitude. Wamp No.

00:45:38
Speaker 5: The football players have a rude fucking awakening on this course.

00:45:42
Speaker 6: They always do.

00:45:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of It is a month thing, it's a it's an evil thing. It's it's masculine. I ain't I'm gonna be the tough guy instead of just go with it, learn from it, get an experience, which the women do. Everybody initially guarded and you've got it because you think about I was I'm going to be portrayed on TV. How are people thinking about me? After the first day where we've stripped them naked and they're all bare. They're covered up. By day two, I ain't worried about No, they.

00:46:12
Speaker 2: Don't care about taking a ship in front of everybot anything.

00:46:15
Speaker 4: So those barriers are coming down. But yeah, some of the men, it's still They've still gonna have these arms, fucking tough and on this. But it's just a man thing. I think it's the big ones. And then comes the excuses, Yeah, oh my pants are two times a boot are too tight. He's got high tuded with me.

00:46:32
Speaker 2: I would have a really hard time complaining, knowing what the two of you have been through.

00:46:39
Speaker 5: What's so interesting is that the females are female recruits. And you know, for the longest time, I didn't think women had a place in Special Force. We've been fighting with women in combat first long as I've been fighting, and we have them as great helicopter pilots and fast mover pilots, intel officers, females fantastic asset in the military. But as far as tip of the spear, grindhouse, kick the doors in, kill the bad guys, and do it day in, day out for as long as it takes, I didn't think women had the physical robustness. Not the mind, but the physical robustness. I'll tell you what this course has taught me so much. The women continue to surprise me at what an asset they are because they are flexible mentally. They do not take humiliation. Humiliation just shut runs off of their back. They get up and go again. They get their ass knocked in the dirt, get up and go again. And we never hear the women make excuses to We never hear an excuse from a woman.

00:47:41
Speaker 1: Wow.

00:47:41
Speaker 6: But the men we love to complain.

00:47:44
Speaker 1: I've never felt prouder to be a woman.

00:47:48
Speaker 4: That's not all the men. It's the same thing. It's never he's fucking tough and I wasn't ready for it. They'll never say that. It's always it's a personality clash with one of us, or that's right. There's always an excuse, and we always listen. We don't want fucking excuses. We've heard them all.

00:48:06
Speaker 1: Oh, we know, we've watched the show.

00:48:08
Speaker 2: I'm like, if there's one thing y'all hate, it's an excuse.

00:48:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just because there is no there is no excuse, you know what. We put them under duress and they're they're little burgins. They're rucks thirty five to forty pounds. Our combat kit meaning slick, like we feel like Ballerina's out there running a gun in is like eighty pounds body armor, ammunition, batteries, grenades, weapon, sometimes a second weapon, sometimes a third weapon.

00:48:34
Speaker 6: Water, And that's slick.

00:48:35
Speaker 5: And then we rock up with one hundred and fifty pounds on our back of batteries, water, explosives, ammunition, and we've got to patrol when there's enemy out there looking to kill us.

00:48:46
Speaker 6: So we know what.

00:48:47
Speaker 5: The body in the mind is capable of, right, and so that's why there's no any you don't get sympathy from us. We know what you can do. Holy smokes. We didn't know how long our selection would be, Like it feels like it's going to go on forever because sometimes you're making it just hour by hour.

00:49:04
Speaker 6: And we know that.

00:49:05
Speaker 5: These these recruits only got two weeks at the most with us. Anybody can get through two weeks of hardness anybody.

00:49:14
Speaker 6: But to be fair, if you switch it on, I don't doubt because we.

00:49:18
Speaker 4: Do what we do, that's what we want to do. We chose that life. We you know, we were tried and tested and and sort of conditioned to do what we do. That's that's our life, you know, to us, the second nature. What's a big deal for these people to step into our ring. It's a fucking big deal.

00:49:34
Speaker 5: We do a lot of respect for that because they are civilians coming into our brutal world.

00:49:40
Speaker 4: But but it's you know, whenever someone that's a fairly easy life and fucking happy to say that when if if they can find one way out, easy way, they'll take it. And that's that's what we were there to stop that easy option ain't fucking there. You will be here to the end, or you let it's too fucking armfy and in your own band, and that's hard for them to take that out.

00:50:05
Speaker 2: And once they hand in the armband, that's like I'm done, I'm out of here.

00:50:08
Speaker 5: Everyone is exposed there everyone, And that's our job is to expose you.

00:50:12
Speaker 6: And it's because we want the best of you.

00:50:15
Speaker 5: You cannot grow until you're stripped down to your honest, authentic self.

00:50:20
Speaker 6: And that's what we do.

00:50:21
Speaker 5: And we're giving them an opportunity, really and we love when they take it and they run with it.

00:50:26
Speaker 6: We love it.

00:50:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, And whether they leave on day one or day ten. Everybody leaves a better version of this I can imagine, you know. So it's not it's not a win lose competition. It's about you becoming a better version of you. And now whether that takes one ten part it doesn't matter. You know, we'd like everybody to get to the.

00:50:48
Speaker 1: End, right.

00:50:48
Speaker 5: But Kyla Pratt, she was on the chopping block in the first seven hours of the first day. I will tell you what, that little freaking pocket rocket. It just does not hot no how to give up. It's like day seven or eight and she's still there.

00:51:04
Speaker 1: You know what I love about her?

00:51:05
Speaker 6: I love we love her.

00:51:08
Speaker 2: I grew up watching Kyla Pratt, Like I watched she was a voice of Proud Family. Like the moment she was on, I was like, wow, how nostalgic, Like I just remember loving her.

00:51:19
Speaker 1: She's so funny.

00:51:20
Speaker 2: But I loved what she said, she said, I'm doing this because I think it was when she did the in her you guys call it a mirror room, the mirror room when she said her whole life, you know, she's been a child actor and everyone has made decisions for her. I never had to say yeah, And I was like Damn, I cannot even imagine. Like that's when I realized, Okay, this show is is well beyond what you're capable of physically, but what you've been through in your past and the little moments that really shaped who you are that you want to shake the fuck off. And like you said, Billy, it's history.

00:51:57
Speaker 1: We got to let it go. We have to be in the now.

00:52:01
Speaker 2: In all three seasons, has surprised you the most in the sense of I didn't expect you to get this far? And who's the one that surprised you? Damn, I thought you'd get further.

00:52:13
Speaker 6: I'm with Billy on this.

00:52:16
Speaker 4: There's a few for different reasons, and not all got to the end. But I mean, Anna Brown was we ever think called in the Special Forces? Try to be the gray Man, mat gray man, gray one. What that means is don't be seen, you know, at the front, don't be seen at the back, stay in the middle, just float along. She was the ultimate gray Man because by about Dave threoever was looking and where the fuck did she come from? I don't remember seeing her. She was the classic.

00:52:42
Speaker 6: We didn't even know she was there until day three.

00:52:43
Speaker 4: She was kind of bimbled along and then all of a sudden she started to rise but great gain confidence, and she was kicking ass by the end of it, really fucking good. But high Claster as the drunk on the Titanic. So the Titanic's fucking sinking. Everybody's running for the lifeboat and panicking. She's crashed around. We have a fucking eder bros. Wondering why the boss closed. That was on the broad and I'm like fuck. Then all of a sudden she was like, bang, she's on it. She's you know, smashing away, and ohh she was. So she was one of those surprises.

00:53:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, who were you shocked? Didn't go for it?

00:53:18
Speaker 2: Like you didn't think they'd give up so soon, or you thought that they would be capable of more.

00:53:23
Speaker 5: Do you feel comfortable only because he let his anger get a hold of him.

00:53:27
Speaker 6: We were right there.

00:53:28
Speaker 5: I was running this dang thing, and Billy and I, I mean, we're very good teammates. I mean we're always backing each other up because remember there's only four of us and we're running, especially in the early days of each season, it's twelve to fifteen recruits. It's a lot going on, and and we were doing app sail Or Aussie repelled down this massive bridge and it's scary and it's stressful, what have you? And there's water below. Daz started acting out on my stunt safe.

00:54:00
Speaker 6: These who are.

00:54:00
Speaker 5: Royal Marines and British Army, our brothers that helped set up systems and rigs, our brothers on this thing, started acting out. And he's a big, strong unit and he pushed one of the camera people off there at the bottom because he was in pain.

00:54:16
Speaker 6: You don't think we've been in pain before? You up?

00:54:19
Speaker 5: How about when we've been in the just in the shoot house when the freaking hot brass goes right in here and.

00:54:24
Speaker 6: The brass is burning freaking blisters through you. Does that mean that you take your head out of your rifle you, or that you don't dig your corner? No, we go man.

00:54:32
Speaker 5: We've been through a lot, man, and we know this is just a passage and time. But he endangered some of my crew with no hesitation.

00:54:40
Speaker 6: I said, you know you you're not in control. We're in control. And then I said throw him in the fucking water.

00:54:47
Speaker 5: Also, because I was thinking of safety, I did not want him to hit or hurt anybody, and we've got a safety boat out there, and I'm we're all rescue swimmers.

00:54:55
Speaker 6: We can always rescue him, throw him in the water. And then he's then he's f ash and harder. There's fuck you, And then Billy smiles at me. Billy's like, mate, are you ready?

00:55:06
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm fucking ready, I guess, and mate, he gets because it's going down, but he's like and so Billy goes.

00:55:13
Speaker 2: Billy likes when things like that happen, and you get that exactly smile on your face.

00:55:18
Speaker 1: I just can pictures.

00:55:19
Speaker 6: So you know what, I took off my fucking top, little raidcat.

00:55:22
Speaker 4: You know what.

00:55:22
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right here, I'm a fucking here, I'm ready to go. I'm a fighter, you know.

00:55:25
Speaker 5: But Billy smartly moved to the flank because if it's going down, he's gonna hit him from the flank too.

00:55:30
Speaker 6: No, it's really fucking going down. And he takes fucking out.

00:55:33
Speaker 5: No, he comes walking over to me right and I think it here, it is here, it is. And I'm like, all right, all right, and Billy's right over here on the flank, over the side, and then Das gets right up to me and then he grabs his helmet and throws it down and walks off, and we both have to were.

00:55:46
Speaker 2: Like kicked in towards that end where he was like, I'm just gonna throw my home.

00:55:53
Speaker 6: Yes, and we love the guy. He regretted it the moment it happened. No, we love the guy, but it just goes to show the shows.

00:56:01
Speaker 4: It's no, there's no retakes. You've had your fucking moment, and unfortunately blew it. And it was a shame because he is a real nice won difference.

00:56:08
Speaker 1: It's also very sexy.

00:56:09
Speaker 3: But that's how it it exposes.

00:56:14
Speaker 5: And he says he needs to work on his anger, and that he's even in therapy working on anger, and that he's had issues even professionally with it and at home.

00:56:21
Speaker 1: Could he could he get another shot on the show, maybe round Tail.

00:56:25
Speaker 6: I'd love to have him back.

00:56:26
Speaker 1: And I petition that right now on this show.

00:56:28
Speaker 2: You guys got to bring him back season four. Yeah, let's see if he got control of it. Yeah, I mean, I think if he's if his biggest thing was anger, let's you know, throw him back on see if he got any control of it. That would be very interesting. Yes, but I you know again all I do is podcast.

00:56:48
Speaker 1: We'll let the professionals handle it.

00:56:51
Speaker 4: The program follows the ethos of the proper Special Forces. You know. That's why you'll see a one tone of the film in the desert next all move in the jungle would be it's exactly like the Special Forces is. And so to that degree you talked about there when I says selection, you allowed to two chances. So if you failed, we go away for a period of time and you then come back. But that's it. You'll only get two chances.

00:57:15
Speaker 1: Okay, So the three strikes here are no.

00:57:18
Speaker 5: And in our selection, how many of ours A lot of our bros get hurt. How many of our bros during selection get freaking really hurt, break their legs, break their own whatever, God, but you know what, they always want to come back.

00:57:29
Speaker 6: So we understand that.

00:57:30
Speaker 5: And people do get hurt a lot in courses and in selection and in courses because the nature of the work that we do is dangerous. And then sometimes some cats make it to the end. But the instructors, the ds say they're just not quite either mature enough or maybe a little too aggressive and not systematic and pragmatic enough. Because we work in very small teams. We may be hidden in a van for a direct action mission or doing a sniper mission, and I'm pissing on top of my freaking spotter and he's pissing on me for three or four days and it's freezing cold, and nobody can get mad, and nobody can get mad. We can't get mad, right, you're fighting an enemy. We can't get mad about things like that. So sometimes people make it to the end and then they say you're not exactly.

00:58:18
Speaker 6: What we want.

00:58:19
Speaker 5: But then they come back again, Wow, I mean it's only you know, two shots, And some people after the first time they say, I don't think this is for me.

00:58:26
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I.

00:58:29
Speaker 1: Mean it is intense.

00:58:30
Speaker 2: And as we talk, I keep thinking, I'm like, do I fucking like put it out there that I want to do this show just to test myself.

00:58:37
Speaker 1: I don't know. I need to sleep on it.

00:58:39
Speaker 2: Guys, before we sign off, I want to know, if you could pick anybody to be on season four, who would you like to see?

00:58:47
Speaker 4: Gordon Ramsey.

00:58:49
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that is a great one, great one.

00:58:53
Speaker 5: There's word on the street, this wonderful man with a great attitude.

00:58:58
Speaker 6: He's very successful.

00:59:00
Speaker 5: He's a football player, Okay, tom Brady wants to come.

00:59:05
Speaker 4: Oh he does.

00:59:06
Speaker 5: Tom Brady wants to come. I think it'd be fantas. Of course, the ratings will be through the roof. We're gonna do ten seasons dog after.

00:59:13
Speaker 1: That, but that he would be speculata.

00:59:16
Speaker 5: Well, I know, he just want to test himself and he's a team player and he will be challenged. Nobody handles cold water very well. Nobody handles skins.

00:59:25
Speaker 3: He played like his mental toughness is what would get and his care for team.

00:59:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it would be wonderful.

00:59:32
Speaker 4: But that would be interested to see if it is. Because has he really been tested at that level.

00:59:36
Speaker 6: We don't know.

00:59:37
Speaker 2: I doubt know because I immediately go to, okay, well, if you throw him in really cold waters, I mean he played in uh New England, that.

00:59:47
Speaker 1: Place is pretty freezy. But again they're like that's nothing.

00:59:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, like submerging or just like getting hit with snow.

00:59:56
Speaker 4: You know.

00:59:56
Speaker 2: Gordon Ramsey would be iconic, and then having Tom Brady would be.

01:00:01
Speaker 6: Maybe Mike Tyson as well, that would be Tyson.

01:00:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, oh my god.

01:00:07
Speaker 6: I want to lay him for his heart, for his soul.

01:00:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially going out the way he went out with that Paul brother he.

01:00:16
Speaker 1: Finished, that's all that matters.

01:00:17
Speaker 7: Well, no, that's what I was gonna say. I think one of the Paul brothers would be interesting on this show to the ego guys.

01:00:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then maybe both of them.

01:00:25
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then Billy. I would love to see you and Gordon Ramsey face off man after watching you with Steven Baldwin and just saying who's your brother? Oh you're you're you're brosn actor. Oh yeah, Alex Balden, Oh he's mid just shoves him right on the I would love to see you do that to one of the Paul brothers. Oh, Tom Brady, He've won seven or eight Super Bowls, Get the.

01:00:41
Speaker 4: Fuck off my phone.

01:00:42
Speaker 1: That so good.

01:00:43
Speaker 7: That would that's the reaction. I want to see Tom Brady under just him getting criticized, shoved little, and see how he responds.

01:00:49
Speaker 2: I feel like he would take it like a champ. I feel like he would be humbled, but.

01:00:53
Speaker 6: I don't really, I don't know.

01:00:56
Speaker 4: I think I would.

01:00:56
Speaker 3: Find get him on the show because I think you would break him mentally.

01:01:01
Speaker 4: Everybody would expect him to do so well, and when he finds you fucking cold, wet and tough.

01:01:05
Speaker 1: It might be oh fuck, I think you force him to ship in a hole.

01:01:11
Speaker 6: Or you know how many times? How many times Billy have our recruits like.

01:01:16
Speaker 5: Hemmed and hawed and pitched the biggest freaking fit and try to get contact agents about the food for their special dietary needs. Holy shit, you know, I slaughtered goats when we were fighting in Iraq because we were so far ahead of everything. There was no food, so we had to freaking kill and goats taste like shit.

01:01:34
Speaker 6: You got to eat them, but you're hungry.

01:01:36
Speaker 1: What is this like?

01:01:36
Speaker 2: Are we talking you like sushi style goat or would you make a fire?

01:01:39
Speaker 6: We'd make a fire.

01:01:40
Speaker 5: But I mean, I mean if Iraqi goats are not exactly known as cuisine for you know, it didn't matter.

01:01:47
Speaker 6: We have to go out to eat.

01:01:48
Speaker 5: But these recruits, and they come from good backgrounds and and maybe some wealth.

01:01:53
Speaker 6: They're used to they're just used to.

01:01:55
Speaker 5: Have much more polished, much more I don't know, manicured. You nothing manicured about what we do.

01:02:03
Speaker 2: Not at all, not in any sense of the word. I had the bust.

01:02:07
Speaker 6: Thank you.

01:02:07
Speaker 2: I'm really really grateful that you guys made time to come out and talk with us on the Give Them Lalla podcast. Special Forces World's Toughest Test Season three is airing right now. It's on Fox Wednesday nights at eight pm. The season finale is going.

01:02:22
Speaker 1: To air on February fifth.

01:02:24
Speaker 2: I watch on Hulu as well, so just know that that is an option, dude.

01:02:30
Speaker 1: I feel inspired as fuck today.

01:02:32
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, and thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Give Them Lala Podcast.

01:02:36
Speaker 1: We will catch you next week. Byye