284 | CCPT Purism: How The Guerneys and Filial Therapy Extended the CCPT Model

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode,

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we are continuing in our CCPT purism series

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and we're going to explore the Guerney's influence

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on the development of the model that we know today

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and we talked through

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the early pioneers and then we're transitioning into the Guerney's work,

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so really excited about that.

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However,

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before we dive in,

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I need to share a couple of things with you.

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First and foremost,

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This week on Friday starts the

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Corwell course

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on the advanced play therapy pillars.

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So if you want to do a deep dive more

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than anything I've ever talked about in the podcast,

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more than anything that we've talked about in

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the Collective or on the coaching programs,

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going to be the most comprehensive

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covering of the four pillars.

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So 4,

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nope,

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3 Fridays in a row,

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starting this Friday,

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the 28th.

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And then the first two Fridays in April.

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Love to have you.

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You can join us live,

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but there is a cap,

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and then if you want to do on demand,

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that is another option as well.

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So I wanted to make you aware of that.

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Secondly,

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I have no idea from who,

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so I'm just saying a blanket thank you.

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I'm still very confused as to the giver,

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but I had the loveliest little thing show up at our office.

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It is

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an embosser

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and it says from the library of Brenna Hicks.

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And I,

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there's no return address,

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there's no name,

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there's no identifying information whatsoever.

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And it's basically an embossing stamp that lets me

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either stamp a sticker to put on something or to actually stamp

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a page in a book from the library of Brenna Hicks,

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and y'all know how much I love to read.

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And so that was the most thoughtful gift and I wish I could thank you personally,

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but I have no idea who you are.

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So whoever sent that to me,

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thank you so much.

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And that was just such a special surprise.

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Mya opened it and she was so excited.

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She was like,

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hey,

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you got this,

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and I was like,

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who's it from?

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She says,

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I don't know.

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And she's like,

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can I open it?

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And I said,

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sure.

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So she opened it,

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sent me a picture,

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then I just got to actually use it today.

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anyway,

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huge thank you to whoever it was of you that was so kind and thoughtful,

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and it's always a lovely surprise when something shows up at the office,

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but I usually like to know who it's from.

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So if it's you,

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email me and tell me so that I can say thank you directly.

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All right,

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so let's dive into the Guerneys today.

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So we're going to look at how they took Axline and Roger's work.

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We've already covered those two.

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And they essentially expanded it

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beyond the playroom

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and into individual homes.

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So they pivoted a little bit away from the clinical

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in their development of filial therapy.

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was a huge turning point.

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In the development and the evolution of CCPT

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because it no longer required

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child therapist interactions.

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The model now recognized the role of parents

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in the healing process.

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And we already talked about how Rogers was revolutionary,

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Axline was revolutionary.

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Now we have the Guerneys also revolutionizing this concept.

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Parents can be the therapeutic agents in their child's life.

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So we looked at how Axline adapted Rogers person centered therapy into principles

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and the non-directive model,

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but CCPT did not stop there.

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In the 60s.

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The Guerneys asked a groundbreaking question.

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Can we involve parents

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and help them be change agents for their kids?

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And this question changed everything

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so let's look at

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who they are and and what happened.

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So Bernard was a psychologist trained

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in person centered therapy

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and he was strongly influenced by Rogers himself.

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was a child psychologist,

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so you can see how these are very clearly married together here.

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psychologist trained by Rogers,

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Louise,

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a child psychologist and researcher.

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And they wanted to develop a more family inclusive approach.

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And they saw the gap

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in traditional child therapy,

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which was that parents

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were historically left out of the process.

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And then gas in the playroom

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didn't always translate to the home.

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So with this gap that they perceived,

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they created this concept of filial therapy

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and in its simplest form,

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what that means is they pioneered a structured method

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to train parents

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to conduct non-directive play sessions with their own children

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in their own homes.

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Axline's principles.

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It was still based on Roger's influence,

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but with the CCPT principles,

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the change was that it was facilitated by the parent

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instead of the therapist.

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And this was pioneered in the 60s and has been refined over 4 or 5 decades

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by not only the Guerneys,

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but also others since.

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essentially what they created

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was a coaching program

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that helps parents understand basic CCPT skills.

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in their simplest form,

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it would be tracking behavior,

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reflecting feelings,

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setting therapeutic limits,

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the basic reflective responses,

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the basic pillars.

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So parents were taught those basic skills.

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a therapist.

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the incredible shift,

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which still exists today.

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The therapist is no longer the sole healer.

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They are a guide to help parents grow

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in that capacity.

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So the therapist actually becomes a coach,

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rather than the one providing the therapy to the child.

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what has stayed the same

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is that the child is still the leader

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in the play sessions.

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The parent only brings presents,

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not directives,

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which is fully adherent to CCPT and its model.

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So what stayed the same is that it's still child led.

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What changed

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was that the therapist became a coach,

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rather than the one providing the therapeutic intervention.

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this was groundbreaking as well,

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because filial therapy democratized healing.

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That's probably too fancy of a word.

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It gave parents the skills to support their child directly.

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forced a parent

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to rely on a therapist instead of relying on themselves.

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at its core,

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filial therapy stayed true.

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It's still non-directive play.

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There's still unconditional positive regard.

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It's still child led.

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There's still an establishment of emotional safety

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and the ability for the child to feel wholly.

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the three-step limit setting process,

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ACT.

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So those

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all essential elements.

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All remained steady

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from the therapeutic model to the filial model.

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What changed

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is that the therapist is no longer the one providing CCPT.

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The parent is now the active participant in that.

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it is essentially a training and teaching program

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for parents.

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And obviously that is not included in the traditional CCPT model.

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So,

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why was this so important?

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What,

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what is the influence here big picture?

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we know

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that a child spends an hour with us each week.

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But we know that they spend

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Dozens of hours with their family each week.

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We can only have so much influence in that hour.

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And that hour is meaningful because it's therapeutic,

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but it's an hour versus dozens of hours at home with parents.

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And the Guerneys recognized

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that the quality of the time spent between the parent and the child

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determines outcomes,

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and we know this to be true in our own work.

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How often do we try to get parents to engage in the process

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in our consultations?

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Why?

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Because we know outcomes are better when parents are involved.

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We know outcomes are better when parents can

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pour into the relationship with their kids.

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the Guerneys recognized that

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and essentially created filial therapy

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so that parents can reconnect

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with their child emotionally.

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They can

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repair

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any fractures or damage to the relationship.

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And they can support emotional expression at home.

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And if you think about it,

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those are the three areas

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that,

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at least that I identify,

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and I'm assuming you would as well.

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Those are the three areas when I meet with parents,

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especially for initial parent consults

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that I see as huge issues

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in a child's behavior.

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When

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a parent and a child are completely emotionally disconnected,

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when there is massive relational fractures or ruptures.

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And when there's no support for emotional expression.

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At home,

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that's why we see self-defeating behaviors.

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That's a very clear connection.

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So the Guerneys recognized

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that the quality of the relationship matters.

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I'm beating a dead horse here,

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but this is the whole premise of everything that we do.

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The relationship is at the heart of everything.

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It's the same for parents.

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When a child comes in and they're just regulated,

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my gut reaction

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internally,

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I,

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this doesn't come out of my mouth,

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but my gut reaction internally is,

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where's the relationship breakdown between parent and child?

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I,

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I need to figure out what what's causing this,

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because kids behave in self-enhancing ways

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when they have the relationship in the environment that's conducive to do so.

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the parent's role

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in the child's life,

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while also helping them shift their parenting approach

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but even at this time when the Guerneys were pioneering this concept,

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parents tried to control their children,

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they still do.

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let's move from control

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to connection,

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and things will get better.

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they proved it to be effective.

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the beauty of this is that filial therapy is now considered to be a major extension

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of CCPT.

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When I was in my grad,

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I was gonna say grad-cert,

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but that's

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something that probably I only understand.

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My graduate certificate program at USF in play therapy.

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I took an entire semester of filial therapy.

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I had individual play,

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I had group play,

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and I had filial.

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Because it's a major extension of CCPT.

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It's taught widely

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in play therapy programs.

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CPRT

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Landreth and Bratton's model that

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I use that I've taught many of you to use that I'm doing a Corwell course on,

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that is an extension

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developed that emerged from the Guerney's foundational work.

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They paved the way

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for family inclusive

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approaches

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that remain CCPT.

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Everything in the filial model is CCPT adherent.

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we know there are all kinds

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parenting programs.

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There's all kinds of parent coaching,

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there's all kinds of

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curriculum and,

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and all kinds of things for parents,

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even coaching programs,

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teaching programs,

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instruction,

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whatever.

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98% of them are not CCPT adherent.

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The filial model is.

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So it's everything that we believe in about CCPT.

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It's the best of both worlds.

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This is why I love CPRT so much.

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Because it provides kids with CCPT

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that they need and it provides parents

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with a whole different way of interacting,

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connecting with their children,

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and it changes the relationship,

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and that changes everything.

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That's why I'm such a huge advocate for incorporating CPRT

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into your practice,

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because

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the

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outcomes are undeniable.

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so what does this mean?

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does not replace CCPT.

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it's a very different approach,

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but it extends it.

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And it invites therapists to empower parents.

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Instead of being the one with all of the power in a therapeutic context.

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And the relationship between the child and the parent

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is just as important as the relationship between the child and the therapist.

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It was interesting that

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the Guerneys looked at this gap,

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looked at this need,

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and they were uniquely equipped to meet it.

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Trained by Rogers,

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trained as a child psychologist,

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they

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were able to work collaboratively to create

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something that

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has been huge

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in our field.

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And now parents are able

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to learn the skills,

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implement

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the approaches,

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and they see firsthand the power of the connection and the relationship

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creating the kind of environment at home

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that allow kids to have the freedom

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but also the necessary limits

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to be happy.

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And that all comes through the filial model that the Guerneys created.

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So hope that that helps you understand

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where,

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where we're going in this journey.

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Next we're going to look at Garry Landreth

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and the modern evolution of CCPT.

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So the last 3 episodes we've been looking at the history and the development.

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We're going to look at the modern era of CCPT next week,

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how the model was named,

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how it was clarified,

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and how it was carried forward into what we're doing today.

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So

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hope that that excites you hope that it encouraged you.

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I'm really happy that so many of you have reached out about this series.

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This is,

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this is what we need.

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This is what

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my,

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my fear,

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honestly,

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and I don't,

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I don't say this out loud.

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Eric and I talk about it all the time,

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but

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I don't say it out loud a lot.

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My greatest fear

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is that the seminal texts are being ignored,

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the history is not being learned.

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And no one is taking the time

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to look at the basics

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and where this all began.

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And I know there's all kinds of push toward innovation and evolution and

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and development and whatever,

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but quite honestly,

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if we don't go back to

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the basics,

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and if we don't know

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where we came from and why.

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Everything gets lost in the shuffle,

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and I think that's why CCPT

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is making a huge surge right now.

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I think that there's a push toward

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adherence to the model because I think we're finally

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getting back to what we know to be true

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and that's in its seminal form.

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So this series is kind of my heartbeat right now,

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because

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if we lose sight of how this emerged and why

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and why it was groundbreaking and and everything behind it.

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The skills are

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largely meaningless.

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If

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they're not supported

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philosophically.

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And we have to know

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where we came from to understand where we're going.

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So I'm glad that you're enjoying the series and

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we're gonna be on this ride together for a while.

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So,

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all right,

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if you want to reach out to me,

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I'd love to hear from you,

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brenna@thekidcounselor.com.

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If you have not joined the Collective,

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we would love to have you www.ccptcollective.com.

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Online community of,

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I don't even know,

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maybe 175 members or so

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and we hang out twice a week on a live call and we

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spend time together chatting and doing case consults and things like that

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and it's just fun to be in there.

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So if you haven't checked that out,

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please do so.

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We would love to have you

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and you know I love you.

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I'll talk to you again soon.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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For more episodes and resources,

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