Episode 26 - The Hauntings of Alcatraz

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<v Speaker 1>[inaudible].

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<v Speaker 2>Here you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Listening to another episode of the lunatics radio hour hosted by me, Abby Brenker along with my boyfriend, Allen Kudan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Alan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>Sup.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Just hanging quarantined.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Things are talking about, I don't, I don't know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if people realize, but Alan doesn't know what the theme of the episode is going to be, so he can be surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>Yup.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of the facts that he pulls out about the random topics are just things that are in his brain already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see if he has any facts about this random topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe, you usually do.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we are talking about the hauntings of Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>Alcatraz! Dun Dun Dun, Alcatraz, the prison off of the coast of San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>Also the setting of one of the greatest movies ever made.

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<v Speaker 2>See, so you'll have tons to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So in January of this year, 2020 I actually went to San Francisco for the first time to visit my friend Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a listener and a patron.

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<v Speaker 2>And a collaborator, he wrote midnight visitor.

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<v Speaker 2>And anyway, Matt and I went to college together, but we went.

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<v Speaker 2>But a group of college friends of mine went out to to see our friend Tyler direct little shop of horrors out there, which was really, really fun and awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Tyler.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things we all decided was necessary to do in San Francisco was go to Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was certainly a highlight of the trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so I mean, Alcatraz was prison, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Decommissioned a while ago, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I think earlier than that, honestly, 18 hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in the 19 hundreds, um, and I actually, I want to caveat, I did do a post about this on Patreon and we're going to talk about some of the same things, but then we're going to pivot here, pivot and talk about the hauntings.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to go into some of the history first, but we're going to end with some of the hauntings, which I wish I had known when I was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But alas, I did not.

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember the photos you took there, which look amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You could see them on a Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>So Alcatraz is a small Island, 1.25 miles off the shore of San Francisco and the Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>It helped prisoners since the civil war, but it was refortified as a maximum security prison in the 1930s during active years, the Island facilitated a lighthouse, a federal prison, a military prison, and a military Fort.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's a great museum.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, though the lighthouse is actually the oldest operating lighthouse on the West coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>So essentially you take a ferry out to the Island, which is a really cool experience actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause it's so like foggy and Misty usually, or it was that day for us anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the main reasons that Alcatraz is so notorious is the extreme conditions associated with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So of course, a, it's on this tiny Island right in the middle of the water.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, so you know, since you're like the Titanic, like impossible to sink, like impossible to escape from.

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<v Speaker 2>Also being on a tiny Island, the wind is really, really intense.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The rough icy water surrounding it makes it very, very harsh.

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<v Speaker 2>Icy water, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>The San Francisco Bay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cold out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it cold?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's warm sometimes, but San Francisco is not like San Francisco is more like Seattle, like in LA.

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<v Speaker 2>California is always like not Northern California.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally have not been swimming in the Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you been to San Francisco?

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<v Speaker 2>I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, no, I saw Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't go to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause you can see it from a distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can't talk about Alcatraz though without talking about this escape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to talk about that quickly before we go into the hauntings.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the movie escape from Alcatraz?

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<v Speaker 2>Escape from Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think it's the greatest scape, but that's like a world war one something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, escape movie, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Escape from Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where they like, they paint the heads.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to batch talk about spoilers.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Between it's reopening in 1934 and when it closed in the 1960s so there's answer to your question.

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<v Speaker 2>Over 30 men tried to escape 14 times from the prison.

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<v Speaker 2>30 men try 14 times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So some men tried multiple times, so has it, well, we'll know.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas groups, groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like two people try to escape a one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these potential escapees were caught or killed with the exception of three men.

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<v Speaker 2>The famous escape attempt happened in 1962 which was really, really close to when the prison was shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>John England, his brother Clarence Anglin and Frank Morris were found missing after a routine morning check in order to help trick the guards.

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<v Speaker 2>The men left insanely creepy fake heads in their beds.

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<v Speaker 2>These are made of plaster paint in real human hair and you can actually see them if you go on the tour, which I did and took photos of, they're really, really, really unnerving and creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they look real?

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<v Speaker 2>No, they don't look real at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They look like Clowny and ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>So they had some bad guards.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but they, the guards noticed that these were not real, but they escaped in the night.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing about it that's so weird is like the heads are big, like bigger than human heads, but they have real hair and like somehow they had like paint and stuff on them so it like they put in all this effort, but it doesn't look realistic at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a clown mask or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, they tried, they tried and I guess they succeeded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So all you have to do to get out of prison is be bad at art.

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<v Speaker 2>So the escapees used tools, uh, what kind of tools?

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<v Speaker 2>A drill and a saw, which I'm not sure how they came across in prison, but good for them I guess in the tool shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they smuggled it right.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh great.

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<v Speaker 2>So they use them to loosen the air events that were in their cells and widened the holes in the concrete.

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<v Speaker 2>They were all able to slip out of their rooms through these wide invents.

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<v Speaker 2>After they slipped out, they use cardboard and suitcases to block the holes from view.

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<v Speaker 2>So it just looked like there was like shit in front of it.

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<v Speaker 2>They climbed up pipes in a utility corridor and found their way to the roof of the building.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can actually look at this utility corridor again if you go on the tour and it's, you know, definitely requires a lot of athleticism, I would say to ascend to the top.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, but you're in prison, you're just getting jacked all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I would be doing if I was in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's good to know.

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<v Speaker 2>The men shimmied down a chimney, hopped a fence and made it to the water's edge.

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<v Speaker 2>Under the cover of night.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a raft made of raincoats and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where the evidence ends.

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<v Speaker 2>You need, so to still unknown if these men made it to the shore of San Francisco, if they escaped to angel Island, which is also in the Bay, or if they drowned in the harsh waters, there's actually a MythBusters episode on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Even just looking, which like even if you just look at the comments of that video, you can see it on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like riddled with debate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a really hot hot button issue because it seems very possible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just very, very difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Well especially cause the raft was made a raincoat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a raft at all like swimming 1.5 miles or 1.25 miles.

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<v Speaker 2>Very doable kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's kind of far for for someone who's not a trained swimmer.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, they clearly were, you said to yourself, they required some athleticism to just get to that point in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>He's were fit people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like the determination to free yourself from that situation is going to carry you far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, you know, the weather that night, like there's a lot of things that could have contributed, but there's no bodies found.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if they did escape to San Francisco or to an Island and nobody saw them, nobody reported like a missing, you know, it's just like, and then where did they make it to like to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they've never come up at all as missing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're off the grid.

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<v Speaker 2>They're off the grid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like to believe that they survived.

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<v Speaker 2>So she always talk about some of the hauntings of the prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Totally forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about hauntings there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Her talking about the fun idiosyncrasies of, well, I wanted to tie it back to Linda techs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, keep it spooky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's already kind of spooky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about to get spookier.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So according to writers such as Eve Floyd, and I'm doing quotes now, almost every guard or official who served there until it was shut down by attorney general, Robert Kennedy in the early 1960s experienced something out of the ordinary and air quotes such as what?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it has said that park Rangers occasionally still reveal shocking supernatural secrets according to Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of these, so like their stories from literally like prisoners, park Rangers, security guards, um, you know, like wardens, tourists, like everyone has a story about this.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of reports for cold spots, unseen fingers on the back of necks, swinging cell block doors, hearing, crying or moaning.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, there are a lot of reports of native American ghosts of prisoners walking in circles and disappearing.

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<v Speaker 2>So the just quick little caveat, there was a native American occupation of the Island, I believe the seventies after it closed?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I believe so.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's actually a huge thing when you go there.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's, there's huge like red paint, um, that was part of that, that they had like painted, uh, slogans or you know, like it was all kind of like about like native American oppression and they took over this Island.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's, there's like a rich history.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it's, it's kind of noticed throughout.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't, most of the native Americans, no, I mean, don't mess with anybody, but especially not them significantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't mess unless you're comfortable being haunted.

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<v Speaker 2>It would make sense that rumors of spirits would accompany this harsh Island prison.

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<v Speaker 2>For starters.

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<v Speaker 2>Alcatraz was notoriously strict.

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<v Speaker 2>Any inmate who broke her prison roll would be stripped naked and sent to the strip cell.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this cell was empty of all furniture, including no sink and no lights.

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<v Speaker 2>Only a hole in the ground to use as a toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you fucking imagine?

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like solitary confinement, but totally amplified because you're naked.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no lights, there's no furniture.

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<v Speaker 2>Just really, really dehumanizing, really awful conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the worst version of sensory deprivation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get into some specific reports.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The showers, visitors report, banjo music, famous prisoner, perhaps most famous prisoner Al Capone actually practice his banjo in the shower because he was afraid of playing because he was afraid playing out in the open would get him killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now people report hearing faint banjo music in that area of the prison like all of the time, like it's, it's super well-documented.

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<v Speaker 2>Multiple park Rangers have also reported hearing banjo noises in the shower area.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not just tourists.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here sell 14 D, which I actually visited and I visited all these places.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember this one.

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<v Speaker 2>A man died in his cell during the 1940s was it natural causes this story.

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<v Speaker 2>What a good question, Allen.

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<v Speaker 2>The story goes that the night before he died, the prisoner kept yelling at a creature with glowing eyes, was attacking him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was found dead the following morning with a purple face, bulging eyes and unidentified strangle marks around his throat.

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<v Speaker 2>Now tourists report an overwhelming feeling of cold in that cell.

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<v Speaker 2>Spooky.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think, what do you think happened to the guy in demon killed him?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously a demon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was this guy doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know anything about him?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think he was this Scranton strangler?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just getting his, just desserts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So cell blocks a, B and C visitor's report, moaning and crying noises.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty typical haunting.

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<v Speaker 2>But once a psychic also claimed to encounter an evil spirit name butcher here.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course an inmate nicknamed butcher was assassinated here in the 1940s butcher.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm the psychic, probably like could have researched that before she came and claimed.

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<v Speaker 2>But what year was this?

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<v Speaker 2>The ninth?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, butcher was killed in the forties.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure the year that the psychic camp, I mean if it's pre-internet, she would have had to go to the library.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe she like stopped at the front desk on her way in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And ask them to pull some records.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know any people that are spoken here?

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<v Speaker 2>Um, multiple prison guards reported seeing the spirit of a man with mutton chops, sideburns during a party wearing a gray suit and brimmed cap leaving the room, icy cold and extinguishing the fire in a Ben Franklin stove.

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<v Speaker 2>What's a Ben Franklin stove?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like a wood stove.

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<v Speaker 2>So a quick Google reveals that a Ben Franklin stove reveal a day, looks like a, um, like a woodstove.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Slash fireplace as in like, it's a full sized fireplace inside a woodstove.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a huge woodstove that you open up and you can see like the full fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how else to describe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a big woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was over the big opening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the whole front opens up, right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's, it's described as a metal line.

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<v Speaker 2>Fireplace could throw a metal line though, right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's made of metal.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's the hole.

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<v Speaker 2>The rabbit hole on Ben Franklin stove just goes deep.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do a whole episode on Ben Franklin stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're an expert, right.

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<v Speaker 2>In a lot of snow films about lunatics@gmail.com.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, so there's also Phantom lighthouse that has been said to have emerged from the fog of San Francisco Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>What different from the lighthouse that's already there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is the oldest lighthouse on the West coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a Phantom lighthouse, but like in the middle of the waters, it still has nothing on the age of the lighthouses on the East coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's just about like actual physical, tangible lighthouses.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying, you know, new England represent, yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So many prisoners have felt feeling watched by ghosts.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, and I actually have a little bit of a story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we were there doing the tour, we went into a cell and you could kind of like go into certain cells, you know, and explore it at your own leisure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like an audio tour.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone's just kind of like milling about at their own pace.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you push the button to advance it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's just you have to, which we, you kinda like mess up.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had to pause it for a while and reset.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so we went into, the one cell that I went into was a solitary confinement cell.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I went in and I, and I think all of us went in, so it was Matt, Alex, Tyler and Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>And it felt overwhelmingly weird and we all felt it like Matt and I kind of like gave each other, it looks like this feels very upsetting to be in here.

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<v Speaker 2>And we kind of like lingered for a while to, you know, get the vibe to see if it lasted.

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<v Speaker 2>And it did.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was weird cause you know it was a sunny bright like Saturday or Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was very bright out.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But without any kind of like additional whatever, like the cell door was totally open and it was still so dark in there just because of the way the prison is built.

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<v Speaker 2>So you already have that and of course like you're in this like metal jail cell, which you're not used to being can be very, you know, jarring.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was some kind of like, I don't know, some weird vibe in there that we all picked up on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so like when that door closes it's just pitch black ma.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there might've been like a slot, you know, like a, like a tiny little like I am a door kind of a thing outside, no to the door.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like literally if you look out the door you see like the huge, huge windows across the Bay, which is why it's weird that it's so dark in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I took a photo of Matt in that, in that, in that salad.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like a very haunted photo.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my paranormal story.

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping it was going to have do it was going to have something to do with you exploring like the furnace area.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, when there's a Benjamin Franklin stove.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's where then like the furnace area where Sean Connery has to like time out all his roles to get through all the flames and time to you can like break out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then team up with Nicholas cage, the chemical bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Best movie ever made.

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<v Speaker 2>That's escape from Alcatraz?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's the rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was like, have you ever had, have you ever gone to like a, an old prison like that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not an old prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've been to like old jails.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you been to any kind of, what do you mean old jail?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, jail and prison are very different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you've been to like in Ireland, like the local jailers.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been to Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to figure out what, you know, like jail, Pooky, jail houses that are like in courthouses and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like temporary holding places.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess that concludes this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have an experience at a jail or otherwise with any sort of paranormal activity, please tell us your story.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay safe and we will see you very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you'll hear us very soon.

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