Is Chase Utley the next Phillie headed to Cooperstown? What about J-Roll?

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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Kyles Forber and welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, Rubin tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury Todd's Lucky The Philly Show brought to you by foul Territory Network.

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Speaker 3: I hope everybody's doing well.

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Speaker 2: It's Thursday morning, January twenty third, twenty twenty five. Rubin. You are at Fantasy Camp in Clearwater. And normally Jim and I would be so jealous because you'd be in the warm weather. But I looked at the check thatweather dot com. Dude, it's not a good week for ball and Clearwater.

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Speaker 1: It's freezing problem, freezing my cojones off right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm old man, and it's and you know, it's always windy here, guy. We're actually on the on the water here where we're staying, but you know, there's always a breeze floating around here because we're off the water and we're you know, in between we're bays and stuff and such water around.

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Speaker 1: But it is not comfortable. I was supposed to play some golf this morning.

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Speaker 4: I played last night in misery or yesterday, but try to play this this morning.

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Speaker 1: No, no go, man. I just decided to bag it. It was just way too cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I genuinely feel bad for you and for all the Phillies alumni there and especially other people that you know, paid for Fantasy Camp, because when you sign up for this stuff months in advance, you're thinking you're getting out of the dreary, cold, gray hellscape of the Northeast United States, and it's kind of feels like you're still in Philly a little bit, you know, And.

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Speaker 1: It's snowy in parts of Florida. It's insane.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but but I mean it's not obviously not snowing here, but it's it's gonna get a little warmer as we move through the week, thankfully, but still not the most comfortable situation. But they're filing in here heavy on the fantasy Fantasy Camp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well, well that's good. I hope you have a good time down there. I know, but people go down there, they have a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: One guy who had a great night last night, regardless of the weather, our good friend Billy Wagner makes the Hall of Fame. That was I loved the reaction that I saw on Twitter, and then when he got the call, Billy breaking down in tears really showed how much he meant to it, And when we had him on our show right before Christmas, you can tell how tortured he was over the last couple of years about not getting in coming so close.

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Speaker 3: You guys obviously must feel the.

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Speaker 2: Same as I do about about Billy getting in.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely thrilled. I think it's richly deserved and I'm very very happy for the player and the man. He's one of my all time favorites, and he was a great one. You look, you know, a career whip under one under one point zero. He struck out one third of the batters he faced and made League Baseball game. He held the posting hitters yeah, nine and three innings. He held the posing hitters to UH under two hundred batting and average. I thought the MLB Network, and I think they always do a great chart. I think their coverage was phenomenal leading up to this thing, and a few days ago they had a graphic. Now, Billy spent his whole career having to get big outs. You know, he wasn't some middle reliever, he wasn't a star who could pace himself. He had to come out there and be ready and sharp and on top of his game. From the first pitch or else you were going to lose that ballgame. Pitching and leverage all the time and dominating. And the MLB network the other day had this graphic. I was watching it. I took a picture of it. In his career, facing Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds was three for fourteen with three strikeouts. Miguel Cabrera, hitting savant, was two for thirteen with five strikeouts against Billy Wagner. Chipper Jones hall of Famer, four for twenty three thirteen strikeouts against Billy Wagner. Albert Pooholtz, another hitting savant, one of the greatest players of all time, seven four strikeouts against Billy Wager. Bonds, Cabrera, Chipper, and Poohols combined hit two thirteen against Billy Wager. I mean, that doesn't get you in the Hall of Fame, but it just illustrates how dominant he was big situations against top players. Hats off to Billy or Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really so so happy for him. Those are great numbers, Jim, and you know that, you know, you talk about the strikeout numbers. That was during an era where a strikeout was sort of embarrassing. You know, people didn't want to strike out back then, that the percentages across the board were way lower than the percentages they are now. I mean, it's got to be a different than maybe five to seven to ten difference on average something like that. I don't have those numbers in front of me, but the people were not striking out that kind of rate, especially the major obviously the major leagues. So yeah, I agree with you Todd about the reaction. I mean, if you think about where he started as a right hander, his arm becomes a left hander and throws one hundred miles an hour, but not just that, but he located his fastball and he threw a very very effective slider as well, one of the most dominant pitchers of all time. And for him to go from where he started to where he finished small five eleven, I mean, I think, I mean, it's a very very small left hander, you know, with a golden arm, who had.

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Speaker 1: The gumption and.

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Speaker 4: The guts to be able to to do what he did for such a long period of time.

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Speaker 1: Kudos man, So happy for him. Good guy, competitive guy.

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Speaker 4: And boil boy is it well deserves and let's not let's not stup Off, mister C. C. Sabbathia and each row. You mean you're talking about two phenomenal players. CC Sabbathia, I think brought another element to his game. I mean, obviously a great picture, but if you start talking about teammates and what he meant to his teams as a person and as a leader, and now he's working, I believe, in the Commissioner's office and really helping out major League Baseball. Just a quality human being man, Just a quality human being that you wanted to be around. I never had the opportunity to spend a lot of time with him, but I know his story and I know people talk about him in the highest highest of him met him several times, but people talk about in at the highest level and then each year.

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Speaker 1: Oll I mean, I mean three.

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Speaker 4: Thousand hits in two major leagues. I mean, come on, ridiculous, I mean, you talk. You know what's funny about Easter Eros. Would he be able to play on a team in today's world, I guess he would be probably viewed much like yeah, a rise probably with more speed, better defense probably, But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't be as I mean, his value as a player.

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Speaker 4: Would be very very different in today's day and age as it was than it was back then when he was an.

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Speaker 1: Elite player in this league.

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Speaker 4: And uh, you know, first Japanese player ever to uh to be a Japanese born, right, correct.

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Speaker 1: He had such great to be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: He had such great bad control. I think if he was, you know, coming in now and they said that we needed to slug more, he could have said, Okay, I'll use the bad had more and I slug more.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's actually as funny as you say that, Jim, because people talk about he and also Wade Boggs in this s vein like if they wanted to hit home runs and they wanted to create a little bit more angle, they're a little bit more you know, drive the ball out of the ballpark and work underneath the ball more.

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Speaker 1: They could do that.

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Speaker 4: They had the ability to do that, I had coordination, and but they wanted to They didn't want to sacrifice you know, their run production for power.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that, imagine that.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned that, You mentioned CC being a good teammate. CC's Sabbathia and I'll always remember two thousand and eight when he went to Milwaukee. There was a time when you guys were trying to acquire him as well. Right, that was the year.

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Speaker 3: That was the year.

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Speaker 5: So he goes to Milwaukee and he made He goes like ten and one for them, right, and he pitches a whole bunch of like many of his starts were on three days rest. Right.

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Speaker 1: He was outstanding.

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Speaker 5: He was taking the ball, taking the ball, taking the ball. And he wasn't saying, well, I'm not going to go on short rests because I'm going to be a free agent. I need to protect my earning power. No, he was like, you traded for me. We're here to win games. I'm going to take the ball and do the best I can and we'll worry about free agency later.

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Speaker 1: I thought that would never happen today. That would never happen today, or very few guys would do that. Yeah, agent, that.

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Speaker 5: Agent would would would fly into town.

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Speaker 1: And exactly, Yeah, I went about that, Jim.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's a separator for me. Man, that's a really big separator because he wanted to win.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that he wanted to win baseball games.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back, Kratz.

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Speaker 3: We're back.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this a bunch was certainly during the Billy Wagner episode. We shared a long story about it. But Jim, I mean, come on, you've you've caught a bullpen session of a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: Now you can say it's not just.

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Speaker 2: That you didn't just catch an elite closer over a long career. You caught a Hall of Famer closers bullpen session in spring training. That adds to this story. And if you don't know we're talking about, go back and listen to the Billy Wagner episode.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, pretty cool. Yeah it was. It was one of my favorite stories that I've ever done. And it's yeah, it was a great memory. That's all I can say. But yeah, but I'm just happy for Billy because I know how hard he worked. I know what a student of his craft he was. I know how bad it he wanted to win. I know how good he was so and I know he waiting those ten years. Man, it was like excruciating. It was a grind. I mean, you know, And when we had him on our podcast a few weeks ago, I just I went back and listened to it thought it was such. He was so good. And one of the things that struck me is his love of the game. And you know, he's gone back for thirteen years now become an excellent, excellent high school coach. He sends kids to Division I schools regularly, He's got two kids in the big leagues. And you know, he believes all his experiences, all his the challenges that he met as a player, and he met a lot of them. Came out of a Division III college, he was five foot nine, He broke his r a lot of challenges to become the hardest throw left hander on the planet in a Hall of Fame closer. And he believes all of those experiences and challenges were put in front of him to make him a better coach and to do a better job shaping young baseball player. So I just have great respect.

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Speaker 4: For him, indeed, Jim, But I got to go back, and you're being really humble, because for you to actually go back there behind the plate to catch this guy who's throwing one hundred miles an hour, and you probably in your life never saw anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I know you that you ain't catching any hour fastballs or or ninety four mile an hour sliders.

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Speaker 4: For you to have handled that, I mean, you really need to handle yourself well. And it is a great story and you absolutely should tune into that episode.

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Speaker 1: Billy was terrific.

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Speaker 5: Well, I just remember, you know, you loosen up on flat ground. His first throw was right at my face with no maxkin, and I was like, holy shit, what am I doing. I also remember I was running the tape recorder next to my next to where I was, you know, catching in the bullpen, so I could chronicle what happened. And I remember hearing your voice. It broke my concentration, uber because I could hear your voice. You were leaning on the fence and he was about fifteen or eighteen pitches in and I heard you say, wat, she's gonna throw a change up and hit him right in the face.

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Speaker 3: Billy would never do that day. Jimmy would never do that.

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Speaker 5: I didn't throw change up.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 4: Think, you know what's interesting, jim I think he gained a lot of respect that day too, for a moment, and I think he already respected you. And he was really a good interview for you guys, as you've stated before, because.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't afraid to speak his mind.

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Speaker 4: But I do think that I'm sure that you gained a whole great level of respect for being able to do that.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of cool.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't afraid to be.

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Speaker 3: Himself, you know, correct?

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Speaker 2: Yep, he was confident who he was, and that's that comfortableness his own skin. Three other Phillies were on the ballot guys yesterday, and I want to run by their vote totals for you and see what you think about their chances. Chase Utley in his second year of eligibility jump from like twenty three percent to thirty or you know, twenty eight percent, like thirty nine point eight percent. Bobby Bray and his sixth year on the ballot nineteen point six percent, Jimmy Rolland is in his fourth year on the ballot eighteen percent. You have a maximum of ten years of eligibility if you're on if you receive at least five percent of the vote, you have to have seventy five percent of the vote.

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Speaker 3: For ensrinment into Cooperstown.

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Speaker 2: So the way I read those numbers yesterday was Chase Utley is on a heck of a pace right now, and he really his his arrow is pointing due north to Cooperstown, New York.

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Speaker 3: Bobby Brio.

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Speaker 2: I think he has a lot of work to do. He almost has to get on some sick hot streak. And Jimmy year four eighteen percent not great, but not bad. If you kind of look at where Billy Wagner was after four years, kind of in the same spot. I know it's different players, of course, voters look at things differently, but I still think Jimmy is in the running, not as great of a shot as Chase. What did you guys make of that?

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Speaker 5: Well, staying on Jimmy for a second, I have Larry Walker in his He started off like with twenty percent his first year, by his fourth year he was down to ten percent. Larry Walker and Jimmy's at eighteen percent in his fourth year, So maybe that is some encouragement for Jimmy. I think it's gonna be It's gonna be tough, but I do think he's he's deserving. I have a tough time separating him and Uttley. It's like Lou Whitaker, Why isn't he and him? And him and Alan Tramwell, how do you separate those two guys? You know, when I watched every time I saw Jimmy take the field, I thought I was watching greatness. So that's why I think he's a Hall of Famer. Uh Oddly at thirty nine percent two years in Scott Rowland on his thirty year was that thirty five percent. I know they played different positions. Roland was a real separated had the gold gloves, which was a real separator. But I think Chase is on a really good track at thirty nine percent after two years, and you know, next year's ballot is not one that blows you over. I think he'll make even more strides, significant strides next year. So I agree with you. I think his hour was pointing toward up state New York.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously I have great bias because I watched those guys grow up in baseball and watch them become the players that they were. You know, I think about the length and breadth of their dominance, the length and breath of their contribution, what they meant to. You know, that there were core players, particularly Jimmy and and Chase, core players to you know, maybe the greatest era of baseball for the Phillies, and so all those things combined that really I think that they're deserving I just don't know whether you know the fact that Chase had you know, some blips in the screen there as far as the injuries are concerned. And then Jimmy just didn't have like the the hardware even though he had, you know, even though he had an MVP, didn't have he should have had way more gold gloves, I think, and All Star and All Star appearances. I mean, the man was the best defensive player, the most consistent defensive player of his era, I believe, and I don't even.

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Speaker 1: Think it was close at his position.

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Speaker 4: And so that's why you got to think about guys that go mar de Scale, how does he stack up in that regard as well?

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Speaker 1: And I know Jimmy was a.

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Speaker 4: Better offensive player overall, but also Omar was like dazzling at that position.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of things to debate there. Man, It's just really.

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Speaker 4: Who what do you love? What do you love about the player, and how much do you love them? But they're certainly deserving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when I think about Jimmy rerollinds. Let me put this way with war right, I do believe in the value of just providing a snapshot. I don't believe it says everything. So this is where I think that war doesn't provide an accurate snapshot, which is why you have to look at some of the other things. Jimmy Rollands career Wars is in I think forty four Bobby bray who was in sixty point two. But I considered Jimmy Rollins more of a Hall of Famer personally than Bobby braywo because I thought he played such an elite level defense. And I now, getting away from watching Jimmy Rollinds play every day, I really appreciate how good he was defensively, you know, just all across baseball. I'm like, God, that dude caught everything. And so to me, I go, there's something missing in the war total that doesn't really capture how absolutely dominant that guy was defensively. I think he was so great he's any winner. Jason Stark wrote about this a couple of weeks ago, maybe last week, about Jimmy Rewinds. I think he's the only shortstop in baseball history to have more than twenty four hundred or more hits, two hundred more home runs, four hundred and more stolen bases, eight hundred more extra base hits. So He's not just Omar Viskell. And this is not rubin any disrespect towards Omar Viskell, but he was also he was a brilliant defender and a hell of an offensive player at the top of a lineup on some really good teams. People when Jimmy played over his career, I would always have people come up or we would get in discussion.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Jimmy's gonna make the Hall of Fame one day?

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Speaker 2: You think Jimmy Rownds is a Hall of Famer, So that means he's always been in the conversation. Chase Sully to me, always in the conversation. You think, even though his injuries kind of shortened his career his peak years, didn't really hear that much talk about Bobby Brew. But then you look at Bobby's career numbers and like, holy crap, was this guy underappreciated. I think if I had rank him, no doubt Chase Sulley and Jimmy Rewinds. For me, I'd have to take a look at the rest of the ballot for Bobby A.

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Speaker 3: Brew.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, Bobby's numbers are certainly you know, people are voting for him, So I think that says a lot a lot about him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I mean, Bobby put up a lot of great numbers. Is on base totals unreal. Yeah, he didn't play on any really any winners in Philadelphia. Had he been stayed with the team throughout those winning years, maybe maybe something would have been different. But you know, intangibly, the team sort of took off when they traded him. You know, I did think he would get more support here in the last few years as some of the things he did so well become more appreciated by by voters, particularly his selectivity and his on base skills. But he's at nineteen four and five after six years. I don't see it happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either.

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Speaker 4: I think it's we had tough road for him. But I mean there's some great numbers there to talk about. I mean there's some there's some length and some breadth to his to his numbers. It's just a matter of whether people are going to think that he's dominant enough to be able to be a guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he was. Did he have that cachet?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Uh, Ruben, you got this. We've been dying to ask if I was wanting to ask you about this. You wear this hat slugball. I've seen some stories.

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Speaker 1: Nationally speaking of handling the bat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, speaking of handling the bat. So what can you so slugball? Uh, this big announcement comes out today that you and your brother and Kenny Lofton are involved in this venture called slug ball, and it's kind of like what I think is cool and what got me kind of going, Okay, I need to know more about this. This is not just because we're friends and podcast potanas, but when I heard top golf for baseball, I'm going, Okay, I need to hear more about this. So tell me tell everybody who's listening about what slugball is exactly.

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Speaker 1: And well, I think interestingly, there's like, no, there's no gaming. A lot of these you know.

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Speaker 4: See three B three basketball going on, you see, and that becoming a thing. Pickleball, top golf, as you as you mentioned, there's other sports, is even flag football now that's becoming like these are games that were sort of derivatives of major sports and something that people can can play and compete with. It really didn't have that sort of thing in baseball, like once you're done playing high school baseball or competitive you know, D one, D two, D three, college baseball, or even professional baseball. You like short of hung them up and that was it. Maybe you played a little softball, maybe you did a little this and all that, but there's nothing, there's no real game that that and that always felt like, you know, hitting is the most fun part of the game. There's no fielding, there's no running the bases, and basically I think the part of the game there also is really interest that interests me is the fact that you know, you can control the back. You don't have to hit home runs. It's not a theme run derby, and it's really the art and we're sort of emphasizing the art and the skill of hitting. It's a difficult thing to do.

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Speaker 8: It's one of the most difficult people talk about all the time, one of the most difficult things to do in all of sports. But but I think that's it's a cool way for people to compete and to be able to get you know, get their buddies together, get their colleagues together, get their ex teammates together, and and and you know, kind of swing the bat and compete against other other other players in a fun, efficient way.

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Speaker 4: It's a quick quick games. The games are like thirty minutes long at the most, and then you just sort of handle the bat around the field and if you want to, you know, see more about it, look at sea at play slugball dot com, you know at slugball. There's a whole lot of social media stuff going on right now with it. But but we're proud to launch it. We have six competitions already set up beginning on May tenth.

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Speaker 1: And uh, we'll see how it goes. We've did some we did some testing.

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Speaker 4: There was basically a group of people my brother was involved, myself, uh, some business owners and some business leaders in Philadelphia, guy named Mike Gosner Junior and his dad Mike Gosner and Greg o'linsky, a bunch of guys in the in the Philadelphia area who had this sort of idea and dream and we sort of tweaked it and got to the point where we tested it and did some things with it. And I think it's pretty cool, man. I think it's a it's I think it's gonna be a cool thing for people to, you know, to be able to pick up that baseball bat and swing it again in a competitive environment.

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Speaker 1: That's fun.

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Speaker 3: Ye do it? Well, you know what, we got to get you guys out there.

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Speaker 1: We definitely have to get you guys out there.

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Speaker 3: No video though, right, well, there's video.

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Speaker 5: The package.

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Speaker 2: We used to do a back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Jim remembers quite well.

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Speaker 2: We used to do a Phillies Media Batting Challenge in spring training over at Carpenter Complex, very early in camp. Mil mil Thompson would throw some VP and every once in a while, I mean, it was a lot of fun. Jimmy was Jimmy always finished at near the top. Jimmy can swing it at the top.

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Speaker 3: He's catching Billy Wagner.

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Speaker 5: He's winning Billy's media batting challenges? Is a package?

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Speaker 3: Is he?

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Speaker 5: Really?

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Speaker 2: He truly is.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to definitely go do some slug ball, but I just hope it's a freebie.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, we'll see what we do with the media folk.

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Speaker 4: But uh, I again, it sounds like it's it looks like and it feels like it's from the feedback that we've got from the some of the people who competed, they've really enjoyed, you know, getting back on the field and being able.

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Speaker 2: To do and plus it's at minor league parks too, so that's cool. It's not like it's you know, it's it's in a real facil as well, which I think kind of adds to the cool factor. You're not you're not going out to you know, uh, some park right around the corner from your house and doing it. You know, it's it's a real venue. So I think that adds kind of the cool the coolness of it.

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Speaker 5: Can, Ruben, can I bring my old green Eastern.

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Speaker 4: Wood bats only wood bats only?

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Speaker 5: Remember the green remember the green Eastern?

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. Yes, Oh that's the one I used. Thirty three thirty two.

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Speaker 5: I use thirty three, thirty one, thirty three twenty nine. Oh what a nice I still got it in my garage.

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Speaker 2: You know what if I just I just found recently years ago there was Charlie Manuel bat giveaway at the ballpark and that's a wooden bat, So maybe I could. I'm sure they gave up only the best wood for the Uh.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that vict this is providing the bats. Oh really, And that's what's.

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Speaker 4: One of the I think that's one of the caveats. I do believe, or at least, UH, there be private. Part of the part of the process. We have all types of stuff. You put the stuff things on the knobs and you know, you'd be able to see your bat speed and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty there's.

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Speaker 1: Some pretty it's pretty cool stuff.

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Speaker 3: That is cool. I like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see how fast you're swinging it. See how you measure up to schwar bros.

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Speaker 1: Now you measure up to the shore bomb.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Bryce Harper, that violence.

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Speaker 3: My my exit velo. I don't know what that would be coming.

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Speaker 2: Off the bat if I hit it here, But uh, that's COOLU and I wish we wish you're the best of luck with it. Does you know check it out if you haven't seen it's I know. Matt Breen from The Inquiry wrote a story about it today.

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Speaker 5: Everywhere Today A p wrote about it. USA Today wrote about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are getting out there. That's cool.

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Speaker 1: That's trying to trying to make a footprint. We'll see how it goes, Uh, wrapping it up.

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Speaker 2: Philly has had some players at the ballpark yesterday. I don't know if you guys saw it. Christopher Sanchez in town and Ryan Kirkring, Cody Clemens, Buddy Kennedy's local. Uh and West and Wilson who came into town and.

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Speaker 1: Uh most of the Flyers game.

00:28:01
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, they check.

00:28:02
Speaker 2: Out the Flyers game. Most of them came into town like Monday. I said, why don't you guys come in a day early go to the Eagles game. They said, if we had thought about that, we would have come in a day early to check out the Eagles. But they also, I'm not a fan of the weather in Philadelphia right now, their their itching. I think to get back to this is Texas and Florida, and this.

00:28:23
Speaker 5: Is very, very unusual.

00:28:26
Speaker 3: It really is.

00:28:28
Speaker 1: It's cold everywhere.

00:28:29
Speaker 4: Man.

00:28:30
Speaker 5: Yes, this you know growing up in New England, this is great pond hockey weather because you get a week in the in the in the teens and you got a foot of ice and the ice is like glass unless it snows, but a beautiful ice. But the key to good pond hockey weather is like eighteen to twenty two degrees and no wind. And this is what we got right now.

00:28:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to get the scale.

00:28:58
Speaker 1: We got wind down here is eighteen degrees.

00:29:01
Speaker 5: We gotta wind. I don't really as long as it's not windy, I don't mind it. When is my least favorite element?

00:29:11
Speaker 3: I think you know that Jim in the press box. Man if the if the wind starts blowing through the press because.

00:29:16
Speaker 2: Jim Rubin he shows up usually with a a wah wah bag like a copy of the New York Post, a copy of the inquiry, copy whatever.

00:29:26
Speaker 3: Staper spread everywhere.

00:29:27
Speaker 2: He's got his notes everywhere, He's got his ship everywhere, gum gum wrappers everywhere.

00:29:32
Speaker 3: And then the wind starts whipping.

00:29:34
Speaker 2: Through it and everything goes everywhere and Jim, it catches surprise.

00:29:38
Speaker 3: It catches my surprise.

00:29:40
Speaker 2: Every single time, every single time the wind blows through.

00:29:44
Speaker 5: Wind before the wind kids really don't like wind blows my Hongy wrapper around. It's just.

00:29:56
Speaker 4: You don't handle the wind well. In golf, I don't think either, do you no?

00:30:00
Speaker 5: Because I hit the ball high.

00:30:02
Speaker 1: That's right. You know you got a lot of loft to your game.

00:30:06
Speaker 2: Well, uh, we will be back I guess this Thursday.

00:30:11
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we'll be back next week.

00:30:12
Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll be talking about an Eagles win and Rubio.

00:30:15
Speaker 5: Where you dining to tonight?

00:30:16
Speaker 1: Oh?

00:30:17
Speaker 9: Yeah, no water Actually tonight I actually went and got a group of sandwich this afternoon.

00:30:23
Speaker 2: We did that.

00:30:25
Speaker 9: Yeah, I got, I got, I got a group of sandwich at the Original and Original and actually the other one on the Rockaway is open too.

00:30:36
Speaker 1: But sadly the pomp Pavilion is done and maybe done forever.

00:30:40
Speaker 4: Really they're thinking about they're thinking about shutting it down and making it someone a developer or they've been talking about possibility making it a hotel. So yeah, which is sad, but but the Frenchies Rockaway is good.

00:30:54
Speaker 1: I went to the original today, bellied up to the bar. Had did not have.

00:30:59
Speaker 4: A b an adult beverage, but did get the grouper sandwich the original.

00:31:05
Speaker 1: Oh man, that has delicious.

00:31:09
Speaker 2: That has to be thinking about clear Water. Well, we'll have plenty more to talk about Clearwater and the coming weeks.

00:31:15
Speaker 3: Pictures and Catchers report on February.

00:31:19
Speaker 2: Yes, good guests, talk, plenty of talk about Clearwater. We'll break down, you know, Roster coming into camp. We got all sorts of stuff plans, so we'll be back. We'll be back next week.

00:31:28
Speaker 3: That was fun. Guys. See on Monday.

00:31:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, after the Eagles game, go Eagles will smell you later.

00:31:36
Speaker 1: It's Mandy Jill.

00:31:37
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00:32:03
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00:32:04
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