Game Mess Mornings 07/11/22

Hell me a gummy bit. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do
this for July eleventh, twenty twenty two. For the next hour or so,
let me help you sort through the world gaming on Game Mess Mornings Live
with me Jeff Grubb. Today, I didn't update this thing today. It's
Monday, so we're gonna talk about some video game news. But first please
join me and welcoming today's co host to Game Mess Mornings. It's Mike Manatty
from games Beat. Everybody, who hooray Mike, how are you doing good?
My nose started itching as study you started doing the countdown, and I
was like, oh my god, I need to scratch my nose. It's
the first thing people are gonna see. You know what it's it's it's always
better to just point it out. Now it's all I could see, Mike,
So everyone just stare at my schnausers. I need to touch it during
this show. Mine started itching during the show the other day, and that
then it's all I could think about. And I'm like, oh this this
Mike Manatty feels all the time, yes to talk about because it's just like
itchier all the time. I need Yeah, I need to get like I
don't know, they need to get a device I get put on my nose.
I don't look like a James Bondville and it just like gently massages that
scratches it the entire time. Right, you want to look syphilitic. Absolutely,
it's always a good look to go for him. Well, isn't that
a fancy college words for someone who never went to college of Jeff, I'm
just like all I think about it's like Syphilist's all I ever think about,
Miche. I don't think about as simphilist. That sounds like that sounds like
a song from the two thousands. Oh, I ever think about to sit
for this on YouTube? If you like, swear in the first like minute
or two or two or whatever, it like will lower your ranking in the
algorithm. Do you think syphilis counts, Jeff? How much lower? Quickly?
Possibly go name this show after syphilis? Yes, absolutely, That way
YouTube will know what to expect from it every every Monday. The cover arts
would just be like a zoom in on the syphilis strain, yes, exactly.
And then what's the what's the Chicago gangster's nose? Who had syphilis?
And I had like a fake nose or whatever exactly. It'll be just like
that, all right, before we get into the wow, Before we continue
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It helps people find the show. Okay, we have a lot to
get into, so let's start the Morning Mess with Hideo Kojima is considering legal
action against news groups that accused him of killing former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
So scragic event here where the former Prime Minister of Japan was literally assassinated.
And this is something where I'm like, I was kind of happy attention
to the news and then I saw this, I'm like, what is even
happening? And like and then I got to go back to my life and
I kind of caught I caught up on later. But when I was catching
up on it later, Hideo Kojima was trending on Twitter because apparently some people
misidentified him as the as the person responsible for the assassination. Uh, let's
see. Let's go over to news assets. Take a look at this tweet
from him. Well, this is from Kajima Productions. They say, Kajima
Productions strongly condemns the spread of fake news and rumors that convey false information.
We do not tolerate such a libel and will consider taking legal action in some
cases. This is a wild situation. So basically what happened here is let's
check out this tweet and a now deleted tweet. This comes from knocked on
on Twitter. French far right politician Damian Rue accused the far left of murdering
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and use photos of game developer Hideo Kojima instead of
pictures of the current suspect, tetsu Yamagami. Uh these uh these tweets.
Basically, it sounds like Damien Rue saw pictures posted as a joke on a
forum or something, and he must have googled like who was responsible and maybe
this came up and he took it as as you know, truth and then
posted on Twitter and then it spread really fast from there. This is a
nightmare scenario, Mike. This is just it's it's it's kind of thing where
if it wasn't about the assassination of a human, it's almost like, Okay,
this is another massive insane thing involving Kojima. This this weird thing.
Of course it would happen to him, but it's just impossible to even joke
about, right, Yeah, it's a it's bizarre. And then you know,
this spread the kind of fake news more. A news station in Grease
picked up on it and like did a segment with these pictures of Kojima.
Uh. Yeah, you know, if I was Sideo Kajima, I would
I would definitely pursue legal action here. Yeah I wouldn't. Yeah, I
mean, god, you know, making making a joke support taste about Hiokajima
is usually our job jet but there is a line, There is a line.
Absolutely, it's it's the kind of thing where I did it again vertical,
I believe in you. Yes, uh, it's it's the kind of
thing where it's like you can't even you couldn't even make something like this up.
It's when it happens in reality. It's almost so far beyond the kind
of farce that I would normally associate with, like jokes I would make about
Hideo Kajima that's just like, oh, what what is happening. I hope
that they do end up doing, like taking some legal action against the people
responsible for spreading this, because it's the kind of thing where it's gonna probably
follow Kojima for quite some time, where you're gonna google it and this kind
of stuff is gonna pop up and it's gonna turn into like a not probably
not a long term problem for him, but it's I mean, I wouldn't
want to have to deal with this, and I'm sure Cojima doesn't want to
either. Yes, it is an actual legal issue, and you know what
this this damien rue When he apologize, it's like, oh, I know
it naively took a joke for a mission. I couldn't even imagine that people
would joke about something like this on Twitter. It's like, have you really
been on Twitter? Have you actually looked around? Of course, people are
gonna joke like you have to be the most careful right now. Yeah,
And it's like on Twitter, it's very easy to just put out a tweet.
Like a news station in Greece like kind of doing the same thing is
even more mean. I guess it's not too surprising because you're you're rushing.
It's a you see a politician posting it, maybe like it's easy to like
just make those mistakes. But the point of a newsroom is people are supposed
to stop and fact check. And yeah, none of that, None of
that happened here. And it led to a situation where, you know,
if anyone being falsely accused is troublesome, but when it's someone who has some
notoriety, it's the kind of thing where like, yeah that they're probably gonna
suit you. We're probably gonna have to deal with some consequences here and justly
so. Now I don't know what the like libel laws are like in Greece,
I wonder if it like where like if Kajima were to sue them for
that, like where he would like sue them at Would he sue him in
Greece or would you have to like sue him like in Japan or something like
that. But I think even just the threat is like that he's making here
as saying like hey, I will, there should be consequences. There could
potentially be enough to make the accompany you that you know that was just responsible
for these this this news report to rethink how they do things and hopefully not
make mistakes like this again in the future. Probably not. They're probably going
to continue want to be faster, faster, faster. What's we saw a
thing on Twitter? Look, here's pictures of the Killer faster faster exactly.
Uh. We will will stay with this story. If any anything happens with
Kojima and filing lawsuit, will update you here on Game Morning mess Uh Game
mess Mornings. Sorry. Uh until then, though, this is just it's
just a wild thing that happened. It's unbelievable and and we'll move on.
Uh. Nintendo is updating its patent that aims to upscale low res images via
machine learning. This comes from Rawbat Cowboy at Go Nintendo U. Nintendo has
had previously filed a patent for how to take low res images and upres them
using machine learning. Similar it sounds a lot like DLSS, But they filed
this back in twenty twenty and now they have a they've updated it recently,
which is like adding fuel to the fire that they might be doing something with
this technology pretty soon. Uh see, let's check out the patent here.
Uh it's like they've been slowly updating this patent for a couple of years now.
This most recent update was on July fifth, and the patent like,
I'll just read from the abstract here. This is a computer system is provided
for converting images through use of a trained neural network. A source image is
divided into blocks and context data is added to each pixel block. The context
blocks are split into channels, and each channel from the same context block is
added to the same activation matrix. The action matrix is then executed against a
trained neural network to produce a changed activation matrix. A changed at activation matrix
is then used to generate a converted image. That's a lot of work for
Tron and his friends and side. Yes, exactly, yes, Jeff in
there inside the tron machine is doing a lot of hard work. Basically what
this is, it's just saying that they can add sort of trained neural network
models to a GPU and then when they are running a game on that GPU,
the GPU can use that that that that training to take the image,
understand what it is, understand what it would be if it was if it
was higher resolution, add that using these matrices, and then output that image.
And I mean it is very similar to what the LSS is, which
makes me wonder like what is the difference between this patent and nvidious patent for
DLSS. I don't know. I'm not an expert on that, but you
know, the bigger story here is is Nintendo going to actively use this stuff?
We've heard reports that like Nintendo is going to have some DLSS model,
whether that's a switch pro or switch too. Is this the kind of thing
that you expect to be like the key mark like marketing feature of the next
switch sort of no matter what it is. Yeah, I guess I wonder
like what's the buzzword for it? Right? Because DLSS if I can't remember,
those are the letters. That's not as that's not as publicly known as
some of these other things. Right, Like we me and you have like
lat before about the idea of a four K switch because it's unnecessary, but
at least the public knows what four K is, right, right, They
almost wouldn't need to like invent a word for it again, like blast processing
or mode seven or whatever to actually get people to understand what this is doing.
Yeah, I mean, wouldn't be surprised if they go with like switch
four K something like that. Yeah, like matrix, they should just they
should just jump onto this action matrix. Action should be what's called yeah,
switch action matrix. I like it. What Like whether or not this stuff
is exactly what Nintendo ends up using. They file patents like this all the
time. It's very likely that they'll probably just end up using DLSS since in
video is there is their key hardware partner. They've been they've been partnered with
them four years now, and they sat at the time when they first started
their deal together that they were going to have a deal for twenty years into
the future. So obviously they're going to continue working together on the next system
as well. That's no surprise dal DLSS and requires a little bit more power
though, So I wonder if like they are like looking at ways of doing
that without having to fully upgrade. Uh, like, maybe this is a
solution for the original switch if we do get a Switch Pro, and if
that switch Pro is big, like has DLSS, like, maybe like,
well, we can add this stuff to our original hardware and maybe that'll be
a way of sort of letting the old switch last longer. Now, I'm
not super interested in that. We ran a pull on the show last week
asking people like how they're feeling about like wanting to start a new generation from
Nintendo or elongating it with the Switch Pro. Most people want to start a
new generation with Switch too, But I'm like, who knows what Nintendo's gonna
end up deciding, right right exactly, because they're gonna you know, the
Switch is but one of the most popular systems ever. That's a lot of
people who have one. It's always a scary thing starting a new generation.
I mean, they saw the giant issue they had going from the Wii to
the Wii U. So even though it seems like, of course the next
system is going to be a hit, they are probably kind of terrified about
right now. And You're right, they're probably finding ways to maybe keep all
those people who own switches buying new games again. Right. They almost wanted
like the old days, back when they were able to release games for the
nes in like nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety three, well after the Super
Nintendo already came out. But the market is just so different now. You
have to you have to kind of find some ways to to to to put
that to my geiver your old system, I guess, And maybe that's what
this is. Yeah, maybe you know that's just speculation, but it's it's
the kind of thing where why is Nintendo doing the separate from Nvidia. I
mean, obviously they might be researching it and they figured something out and they
were able to patent it, So maybe as simple as that, but maybe
there are other explanations. It's hard to say. I do still think that
we will get some sort of word from Nintendo about like what their plans are
for the future here in the relatively near future, whether or not that's a
switch pro or switch to, or if it's just them saying to investors,
hey, we've begun, really we've begun like to transition, and that transition
is going to take years, but we've begun it. I think they will
begin having those conversations here publicly pretty soon, and maybe that gives us some
more insight into exactly what is happening here. I mean, the bay problem
with the old switch is performance. It's frame rate anyways, right, so
I don't know how much this is going to help. Well, we have
a crisper image at fifteen frames per second, now, great, right,
exactly. Yeah, it's a lot of this patent talks about five fortyp and
going to ten ADP, so that's maybe again I might be reading into this.
This stuff is placeholder for a patent a lot of the time, but
for me, that's like, oh, well, maybe you run out on
the original switches forty and then you can upgrade it to ten ADP and still
keep like, you know, sixty frames per second that you get from running
at five fortyp. But I don't know, like I don't even know if
this stuff would be able to run on that original switch hardware. It's it's
it's hard to say. Like, for example, DLSS needs just a touch
more power, like I was saying earlier than what the switch offers, so
they would need a new basically a new chip to be able to run DLSS
on a new switch, it wouldn't be able to just like backpork DLSS to
what the switch currently has, so maybe it makes some sense. Assassin's Creed
Liberation Steam page suggests it will soon be unplayable even by owners. This comes
from Chris Scullion at BGC. Assassin's Creed Liberation HD will no longer be playable
on PC as of September first, according to its Steam listing, the game
has already been removed from sale, and according to a message on its Steam
page, it seems players will no longer be able to even boot the game
from September onwards at the request of the publisher. This quote from the Steam
page, Assassin's Creed Deliberation HD is no longer available for Steam on for sale
on Steam. Please note this title will not be accessible following September one,
twenty twenty two. Ubisoft gave VGC the following statement regarding its recent run of
decommissioned games. We don't take the decision to retire services for older Ubisoft games
lightly, and our teams are currently assessing all available options for players who will
be impacted when these games online services are decommissioned on September one, twenty twenty
two. We are also working with our partners to update this information across all
storefronts so players will be fully informed about the removal of online services at the
point of purchase, as well as via our support article where we shared the
news. Right, but like, this isn't just about the like they said
before that they were going to get rid of the online service for Liberty Wood
Cares whatever. Why are you going to stop selling the game and making it
inaccessible through that standalone version. Now there is a version of Assassins Creed three
that does just come with it, but like you know, you're gonna have
to buy it again. And apparently Liberation was even on sale during the Steam
Summer Sale. Like this version that's going to go away. Uh, this
seems bonkers, right, It's one thing to stop selling a game on Steam,
to make it so that you can't access it anymore. And this is
from this is from one of the first companies that want that wanted to talk
about NFTs too, Jeff. They're they're the one's showing us how completely immaterial
digital ownership can be. Incredible. It's it's kind of you're right, it's
bonkers. I mean there must be some online portion that costs the whole game
to break. That's my only guests here. Can't be because then it's still
playable on the Assassin's Creed three version, right, right, Look, if
it's that bad and you have to do it, then just give everybody who
owns that access to that Assassin Creed three version, right, I mean I
can either do that or take that version and extract it from Assassin's Creed three
and make that the like, just get people that version of the game.
Whatever, but do some work here and don't do this. Don't take a
game that people bought and make it inaccessible. That's like crossing a line.
I think that publishers and like place like Valve, they've known that this is
a red line for a very long time, and now this feels to me
like they're getting complacent. They're like people will just at this point will understand
that sometimes this is gonna happen. And I think that what's gonna happen here,
so there's probably gonna be sort of some outrage and you'd be soft,
will have to figure something out here, which is the right thing, the
right way to handle this, unfortunately, is kind of yell at you be
soft a little bit because this is I'm I've gone all digital, and whenever
this stuff like this happens, people are like, well, this is why
you buy your game's physical and I'm okay, I get that, but you
know, physical things degrade as well. Physical things don't last forever either.
But it's not like this. It's not like suddenly one day the publisher gets
to decide to pull the plug on it. Right, so if you take
care of your things, they will last for a very long time. This
is this is like, this feels like having the rug pulled out from underneath
you in a way that, even when it's a small off to the side
Assassin's Creed game, it's unacceptable. Yeah, it is Tom Payne and Chatt
saying that apparently the one with three is the ones that's shutting down. I've
seen people say separate things. I think everyone I don't know it's excusing.
I don't know. Yeah, exactly, I don't understand. I think a
lot of people to understand. Maybe even Ubisoft doesn't understand what's going on here.
But it is just a bizarre move to completely delist a game. I
mean, even when Fall guys left Steam, right, and it did so
for a reasonably, we understood the Epic Games bought that studio, so it's
going to the Epic Game Store. I can still run Fall games on my
Steam. They didn't make it, so it just doesn't work anymore. Right.
It's the kind of thing where if you don't sort of stamp this out
immediately when it happens. But I mean, in a certain point, it's
like Valve should step in here and do something because this hurts the reputation of
Steam that they're not happy. Yeah, you hope that like enough people recognize
that the success, like the digital games went from something that very few people
and it like engaged with to being like the dominant form of purchasing games.
And now that's what it feels like. They've like, Okay, there's so
much momentum behind it, we could sort of do whatever. Uh. I
still think there's like a chance that, you know, if they don't deal
with the situation, it could backfire in their faces, and so hopefully they
do something about it. Respawn is recruiting for a single player, first person
shooter game set in the Apex Legends universe. This by Andy Robinson at VGC.
How do you feel about the words the Apex Legends universe, Jeff,
I feel like it's very specifically not the Titan Fall universe. That's the same
thing. I guess it was Achchuch much more popular. Yes, exactly.
As spotted by dex Sertos, several job listings for Responds Apex Universe first person
shooter incubation project have appeared, describing the in development game as a brand new
Respawn single player adventure. This new single player title is a developer's dream.
This is a quote from the job listing. Excuse me, uh, It's
a developer's dream playground with the freedom to innovate made possible by the unique universe
it inhabits. One job ad reads. It's unclear if the project is related
to the unannounced single player project. Respond first confirmed when it was working on
that it was working on last year. According to a games Beat report earlier
this year, that title is a first person shooter being built around the guiding
principles of mobility and style. But it isn't a Titan False sequel. That
was your report, wasn't it that? My report? To work with me?
Yes, So let's let's stop here and just confirm this is that game.
This is that single player game that Respawn was working on. They they've
begun basically saying it's in the Apex Legends universe as part of that thing we've
seen happen a lot over the last year where developers sort of come out and
confirm the game they're working on a little bit more firmly as part of like
hoping to recruit people come work on the game, right, so that this
is part of that. Like, they weren't gonna they weren't ever gonna say
it was in the Apex Legends universe. They were gonna wait until they had
more to show. But they want to recruit people, and they want people
who are excited to work on the Apex Legends games. I am still really
excited about this, even though it very specifically is not going to be titan
Fall three. It's yeah, but it's even weirder that it's not a Taitall
sequel when it takes place in the same universe as the titan Fall games.
Dude, now, right, so yes, like, how is it a
I mean, it's it's not like I don't want people to get any sort
of mixture in that. I've been told so explicitly this is not going to
be titan Fall three. What do you mean by that? Is You're not
going to be in giant robots in this game. I'm guessing it's gonna be
like it's gonna take stuff from Apex Legends. It's not gonna be worried about
like trying to follow up the lineage of what titan Fall was. You know,
I'm still really excited about this. I think Respond is one of my
favorite developers for you know, since they started. This is the kind of
thing where it's like, oh, they get to just experiment and the first
person shooter single player game space. Like I wasn't expecting that. Like once
I started hearing about this game up, it was like immediately exciting, but
having it be like, oh, they're gonna be able to make a single
player game because Apex Legends is so popular makes so much money, Well that's
awesome, And they call it an incubation project. This is the kind of
way that this is the way that Respond makes games. They're just prototyping for
years trying to figure out how to make it as fun as possible. At
its heart, it's still gonna it's gonna have that same spirit as a titan
Fall, even if it's not gonna be called titan Fall and and really it
won't be titan Fall at all. So I'm really excited about this. It's
gonna be called the Apex Legends, yes, the yesh, it'll just be
called not tighten Fall ship heads. So yeah, yeah, stop yelling,
yeah, stop out, You're not getting one of those. Uh. I
mean, I don't know, people like abs beast As again ea, just
leaving money on the table. I don't know, like a actually yeah yeah,
Like I can criticize them a lot about how I'd rather have titan Fall
three. This might actually be the much smarter financial move again, a tex
Legends has made them probably much much, much, much much more money than
titan Fall once you combined. Ever, did I think that's right? Uh?
And mobility and style of those are things I think the studio is really
good at. I would be very excited to see them express that in a
single player game built new I mean, I guess. I guess The bright
side is when I actually think about my favorite moments from titan Fall two,
not that many of them involved being inside the Giant robot, right. I
really liked my relationship with what's what's his name be two or something like that
and Optimus Prime, yes exactly, yes, uh, And I like when
he threw me. That was awesome. That was one of the best Game
of moments ever. And look, there's times where it's like like the robot
is like running beside you and doing something while you're shooting, and then when
you come back together like that to us feel like a climactic moment. But
you're right, the best parts of that game are when you're running around and
you feel like a first person Jedi or whatever and you're done. Those kind
of mirrors edgy but with guns BT, thank you, thank you, chat
BT. Yes, remember his name, Jeff? Why should I love him?
I should get some BT you love so much? You don't know his
name. Listen, Mike, I can't remember your name half the time,
and I, well, I don't love so let's be clear. Xbox Series
is all can't remember my god damn u. Xbox Series has already sold more
than double Xbox One in Japan. Data published by Famitsu indicates that as of
July third, Xbox Series X and S have sold some two hundred and sixty
uh and five hundred four thousand units, or yes, two hundred and sixty,
five hundred and four thousand units. Space in here that it's messing you
up, it is messing me up. Yes, basically two hundred and sixty
thousand units and it's a that's according to the same source. Microsoft's previous Xbox
one console sold around one hundred and fourteen thousand units, around one hundred and
fifteen thousand units and it's lifetime, so already double that for the Xbox series
X sus pretty impressive. We're only what two years about nearly two full years
into this into this generation. Now it's still it's still not the best selling
Xbox ever in Japan, that is the Xbox three sixty with one point six
million units sold over its lifetime. It seems like this is probably gonna just
get to their right, right, And they did a lot of work to
get the Xbox ree sixty to sell that much in Japan, right, that's
true. Of those miss Walker deals, they had Blue Dragon Lost Odyssey,
they had a Tales game, They got a lot of JRPGs on there.
They make sure I found Fantasy. Their team was cross platform things like that
and this. You know, they seem like they're on that road already without
having to do any of that work. And again, like these days,
we know that the Japanese market for console gaming isn't nearly as important as it
once was. Yes, I think that Microsoft probably won't do exactly the same
strategy because Japan in general cares less about console gaming, and you know,
and it's probably a little bit more toficult to make those deals because though a
lot of those developers move on to work on mobile or whatever or already have
existing deals with companies like Sony. So Microsoft making a bunch of JRPGs to
appeal to that audience, it's probably probably wouldn't work as well anyhow. And
this it seems like the system doesn't super duper need it. This is like
way better than I would have expected for the Xbox series X and S,
especially after like the one and even the PlayStation four was like sort of not
struggling but not selling nearly as fast there as it was everywhere else in the
world. So you know, this is probably just it's like just a nice
thing for Xbox. Now it's outsold the PlayStation five like a couple of times
in Japan has nothing to do with demand. It's all about supply, and
it continues to be the case. So yeah, Returnal Steam listing continues to
get updates ahead of a possible reveal. The Steam database entry for what is
almost certainly Returnal continues to receive regular updates as an eventual reveal appears to be
all but guaranteed. In May, Steam dB log the presence of a new
product in the database, which goes by the codename Oregon. While it wasn't
immediately clear what the game is, certain localization strings in the game's listing make
it clear that it's a PC port of Returnal. Now. The site's history
page shows that the end development game continues to get new builds on a daily
basis. Uh. Some of those those localizations strings, by the way,
are Atropos and Tower of Sisyphus in Helios. Yes, Tower of Syphilis in
Helios, and Returning, making the game's identity pretty clear. So just get
yourself some antibiotics that will help clear that all up. Yes, So yeah,
I think that Returnal is going to come to probably PC before the end
of this year. You know, think back to Sony saying they were gonna
have like make like three hundred million dollars in revenue on PC this fiscal year,
and that was like more than double what they made in the previous years.
Obviously a lot. That's a lot. That's gonna come down to them
finally launching on Charted and there's a few other things. Yes, eventually whenever
that happens, and then they're probably gonna launch some of their free to play
games like simultaneously on on PC that you know, those will make a big
dent. But they're probably gonna put a lot of PS five games onto PC
and pretty quickly. Here when do you think that like really starts happening?
Like Returnal is a PlayStation five exclusive, so that'd be like that'd be pretty
quick. You know, their past, like Cadence was about three years or
more before moving the game from PlayStation to PC. If it happens before like
let's say November U, that'll be what like two years the year and a
half, Yeah, year and a half for Returnals, So that's pretty quick.
That's pretty quick, but also feels plenty of time. Right it's you
think everybody who wanted to get Returnal on a PlayStation five, like you're sure
of course there's gonna people who get playsation five still and are maybe gonna get
it there, right, but there aren't gonna be a ton of people who
are getting it on PC, and now because of that, they're never buying
it on PlayStation five or never have. Right, Yes, I think time.
I think it's I think we can't start moving a little bit faster on
this stuff, and returnal absolutely seems prime for it. And I don't want
to say smaller game, because I know it's a full price game and all
that stuff, But for something of this scale, why not get it over
to PC a little bit faster? Jeff, I do think it's messed up
that you can cod name a video game Oregon, as if that isn't just
completely taken already in the video game space, Like like what what zoomers decided
that they can just codename this Oregon as if? As if real gamers like
us did it grow up playing Oregon Trail in computer class. You're right,
they're great, right, Like how dare this I'm trying to imagine is there
any lineage they're thinking there? Like this game is like the spiritual successor to
Oregon Trail, and you know, there'sy at some points. Oregon Trail is
kind of like a rogue light, right, like, because you go as
far as you can, have to start over. Now, you're really messing
with me on Trail a rogue show. Yeah, I be liked Oregon Trail
to the one that was like a seedy rom game and it had like some
FMV and okay, chet, Chet's mad at how we're pronouncing Oregon so Oregon
like like Oregon the ogregation of Polygone Regan Trail Trail. You gotta pack up
the kids. Why might are they Italian? They might be Italian because we
gotta go to an orton Oregon on the trail. I think I felt like
I said it pretty good the first time Oregon Oregon, Oregon It's lost.
I felt went pretty good about the time I said it was very mean to
us. I agree with that. Yeah, come on, guys, it's
easy for you because you don't even have to pronounce it dance correcting us.
Yeah, I can't, jesus excuse me, Ray, All right, let's
get to the catch up. Cap On held Capcom held an Exo Primal network
test, so I guess you could see gameplay of that. Now if you
really want to. I'm gonna click over to that for us real quick.
Let's uh, I don't know. It looks I don't know. It looks
like one of those MANI online shooters. It looks like man yeah, way
too way too much like Neon stuff. The lady's just all over the place.
There's yeah this, I mean, oh look it's Reinhardt. Guy's a
Reinhardt shield. That's funny, and I mean it does take on my fancy
a bit that it looks like a generic online shooter. And then there's just
a tri Serra tops funny that works a little bit. And there's a lot
of dinosaurs there that's pretty cool. But you know, there's a character playing
as the healer and obviously someone playing as a tank and stuff like that,
Like they're like Reinhart literally ran literally a Reinhart. So it just is is
one of those that doesn't mean it can't be good. It's just I'm just
having a hard time getting super excited about it. Yeah shooting, try,
okay try. Saratops are just inherently cool, so that is working for me.
I guess I'm more excited for this than hyenas. Yes, I suppose
so but it does like like, I know, I bet you could show
me if you took out the dinosaurs. I bet you can show me both,
and I wouldn't be able to guess which swich. I guess. Maybe
that's why they were like, we've got to throw dinosaurs into this generic aas
looter shooter thing we came up with. We gotta do something we can't just
do. We can't just do aliens or robots again in this we're screwed.
Uh, And like we have what can we have a lot of? But
yeah, it's like, well, yeah, there's like a couple of things.
You can have a lot of Nazis, a lot of zombies, a
lot of thought ants. And they were like, ship that's already a game
site. Yeah yeah, although, hey, just do another an online version
of Earth Defense Force. I'd buy play that. It muld be fun.
I'm gonna leave this on while we talked about this. Next one, Hitman
three's new Ambrose Island map dated with location revealed trailer. The new map,
which is shown off in the trailer below, will be released as a free
update on July twenty six. Tropical Island is a hidden cove home to dangerous
pirates, send operating syndicate operating in the Andaman Sea, and too many hidden
secrets. This is this fully explorable sandbox location is packed with new targets,
gameplay opportunities, challenges, unlockable rewards, and it's free for all owners of
Hitman three. Iowa has previously said the new map will have an intriguing narrative
for hit Man fans, as it takes place before the events of hit Man
three and fills in a few gaps from the World of Assassination storyline. So,
Mike, I spent much of my life trying to convince you to finally
play hit Man, and you had in the last couple of years, and
this is like, are you at a point where I like hearing about a
new map gets you excited to get back to hit Man. Absolutely, I'm
super stucked about this. I mean, the two DC maps after hit Man
two are some of the best maps in the trilogy. Right that New York
bake Yes said that island resorts are incredible, So yeah, it seems like
they're able to get even more creative than usual sometimes with with these This definitely
seems like it has some potential. I bet at spot we get to go
on a treasure hunt. Right, come exactly right island, we have to
be able to go at a treasure hunt. So it also seems like this
is a great like sandbox for them literally to two prototype ideas that they could
use in James Bond and whatever else they're working on. Uh like, hey,
yeah, come up with some ideas. Experiment with him here. It's
a free DLC, Like we can only complain so much. Uh Like,
I hope it's like just a really solid hit Man map, but I also
hope it continues to be them figuring out the their future, which is like
a big part of a Hitman three felt like, and it really works for
me. People saying play this on the site, I'm app I'm gonna be
playing Hitman a lot on the site because like, whenever there's not something new
tail made, do they mean the trailer right now or do they mean play
the game on thee that they want us to play that they want us to
play? Yes, I will. I mean I was I almost considered just
playing hit Man on UPF last week, so yeah, I mean, like
I love doing escalation missions, so maybe we'll figure out some stuff to do
with that problem now, Jeff is that I got my Steam deck, and
part of me like wants to just play this game on my Steam de Yeah,
but that's like a big because in my mind, I can't just have
one. I had to have Hitman three and those two passes that give you
all the old maps, and that's like together, probably a two hundred dollar
purchase or something, right, I think, I mean no, because I
think if you get hit Man, I don't know, it's not that I
don't think it's not that expensive, but but fair enough. Also hit me
up. I'll just I should put you on my my family account on Steam
because yeah, well maybe maybe we'll Yeah, I just look like, but
look, I'm very excited for this. Hitman's great. Just give me more
levels. I wish that they Part of me almost wishes that original episodic model
worked out from Hitman one. We just kept getting new levels like every two
months or every few months or so. But this will do fine, well,
I mean they this is the kind of thing where they didn't mention any
new maps are coming when they first started talking about the roadmap for Hitman three,
and it did so well that they just I think they felt like they
had to, which to me, is just a win win when where it's
like, Okay, the game selling so well, and then that means we're
gonna get new stuff. So obviously they feel good about the game. I
feel good about the game. I love Hitman three, So this is this
is just fantastic stuff for me, all right, Mike, there was some
hub people are continue to be mad about seventy dollars games, and then other
people are mad that people continue to be mad about seventy dollars games. The
most common thing I see now is people are like, you don't have to
pay seventy dollars if you don't want to quit talking about this. And I've
seen that like tweet basically like four times over the weekend. I guess I
wanted to just check in with you, Mike. How are you feeling about
the jump to seventy now that we're so far into the generation. I don't
know. I guess I have. I have some acceptance of it at this
point, right, I mean I still, I mean I get it if
people think it's it is expensive and it's a jump, especially now because you
know, everyone's hurting a little bit right the economy, music and the dumps
a bit sure, but you know, there's there's a lot of points that
people have repeated Jeff, how we had sixty dollars games for a very long
time, a jump was going to happen. I think there are I think
instances that make it feel bad, like Last of Us Part one, uh
being seventy dollars. The original wasn't a psycho physical version. Second, who's
getting a physical version and that's gonna be seventy dollars that's from last run,
So it's like made for collectors. So it's like, I don't even consider
that that like part of this. It feels like so separate from this whole
seventy dollars discussion a little bit. Yeah, I mean I and uh,
I'm Caddy Puts said this in chat. I'm old enough to remember when like
there was like a really wide range of prices for games like on the S
and S like RPGs which just costs a lot more. My mind, Super
MARIOPG was like one hundred bucks or something like that because there's like more megabits
or whatever. Yeah, I remember, like I think in every game is
fifty dollars and then my parents being like, no, look at this toys
r us add and some of these are like eighty dollars something, what the
hell uh? And that like that being a really startling, startling realization during
the Supernintendo and N sixty four era, especially during late Supernintendo. But I'm
mostly just over this. I think the subscription models on both systems now really
help. I mean, especially on Sony. This is where you're getting get
most of the seventy dollars games, although there absolutely are seventy dollars Call Duty
games on Xbox and stuff like that. But I think the PlayStation Plus Extra
is so good for giving you a lot of games that you probably haven't played.
Well now you have a beefy backlog. Go play that stuff instead,
and wait until these games go down in price. They always do, if
you're not talking about Nintendo, all these games always go down in price.
Now, they might not go down to twenty, but a lot of them
are going to go down to forty five dollars within the first year. So
just have a little bit of patience and you'll be fine. It's just hard
enough to be like, yeah, this is the way things work. It
sucks. If you want to complain about it, go ahead. It seems
like the deal is done. The toothpastes out of two out of the two,
there's no one doing this, So complaining about it does feel a little
bit like just yelling at a wall. But hey, I'm not going to
tell anybody not to criticize something. Criticize it all you want, but at
a certain point it might just be better for your own mental health to be
like I just I will just wait, I just won't pay it. This
will be a personal decision and I'll move on. Estebond kind of robs something
interesting in chat, like when does switch? When does the tendo start doing
seventy dollars games? Because that's what it's really here to stay. Maybe they're
probably maybe it's part of the whole reason that they are struggling figuring out how
to like present everything recas we talk about like, oh, how do they
move from one console to the next when the switch is so successful and they're
not sure maybe if they're going to be a pro or a switch too or
something. Maybe they're also like, we really should be charging seventy dollars shit
Breath of the whild too. How do we navigate that? Like it feels
like to do that it would have to be on the switch too, but
maybe they're not ready for that. I don't know. They were still doing
fifty dollars games for a while on the weed That's when most things were sixty
dollars, right, right, Yes, But I mean I think it's them
looking at and be like Returnal launched for seventy, We're really going to launch
a Breath of the Wild two for sixty less than Returnal. I could just
see them having that sort of logic about it. But we'll see. You
think, do you think Nintendo knows what a returnal is? Yeah? That's
that might be a good point too. Maybe they maybe they don't know.
I just I think when it like comes under the value proposition, I think
they probably assume that they should be the top valued game in terms of like
how much they cost when they launch, because they keep their prices high forever.
I think this is just part of a little bit of a pride thing
for them at a certain point, even if it also is a very good
business strategy that has worked for them very well. Uh. Okay, last
week I asked which is more likely to win the Keiley Game of the Year
this year, Elden Ring or any other game that came out and let's see
here the results. Eighty two percent said elden Ring. Eighteen percent said any
other game. Mike, where are you at with this? Oh? Yeah,
it's gonna be elden Ring. Yeah. I mean it's like, like,
what else is coming out that can really contend God of War. I'm
sure it's going to need to be nominated. It's hard to imagine it's going
to win because it's some sense. I bet it's going to be a good
sequel, but it is by default gonna be a lot of more the same,
which isn't necessarily problem. That doesn't usually get you Game of the Year,
right, I think that if it's because it's the conclusion. I think
if it really turns people into a mess of being like this story was so
powerful and so moving, that is the one way I could see it,
like sneak it in there Marino and Chat asked is it before the cutoff?
It is? And also they will fully understand the value of pushing that game
out to the press and make sure everyone has a copy and saying, hey,
make sure you play it before the Game of the Year thing, and
remember you can update your ballot if you need to if you already sending ane,
you could update your ballot if you just play God of War. Sony
is very mindful of what of that entire process, so they will make sure
that it gets nominated. I think that elden Ring is kind of guaranteed though
it's just hard. It's like there's too much love for from in the people
who vote, and from his last two games one Game of the Year when
they came out right something like that, I know Seccaro did. Seccaro did,
and games that have a tie to the Game award or two. Keiley
seemed to have some kind of help here, like it takes two one last
year, Yeah, that has a tie and didn't didn't death Stranding actually win
Game of the Year's Training did not Training did not made that up. I
think it didn't get nominated down they got nominated and that game came out right
at the cutoff. So but if you remember death Stranding is the reason that
I know Sony knows how the process works because they send us out code super
early. They said, hey, there's everyone on a staffeed code to like
make sure that they can nominate for a Game of the Year if they want
to like they were very like aggressive about that stuff. So they'll do the
same thing with god Award. But of course I'm glad you correct me.
I've almost started spreading my own Codejima fake. Yeah, he has awards that
he didn't win. Yes, how dare you what did win that year?
I can't remember. Remember, that's a good that's a good question. I'll
I'll bring that up. Okay, let's see. I wanted to do another
tweet for the pulled on Wednesday. Actually, let's see what did I have
here? I wanted to say, do you expect PlayStation first party games come
to PC under two years in the future? What do you think about that,
Mike Under? Yeah, I think at some point it's gonna I'm pretty
curious to see when Shushima gets on there. How long that's that one is
going to take? Yeah, I think that's kind of a big bell Weather
right where that was a big game late PS four, it feels like they're
immediately going to a Ghost of Sushima two. It feels like the kind of
thing that they should put on PC relatively soon to kind of keep that momentum
going. But we'll see. I mean, they did a PS five native
version, right, that process already happens, so yeah, it feels like
what's left to do. It's at least a version for PC. Although week
we're getting pretty close to what two three years for that, so probably that
one's going to probably just fall into the time frame. It might be more
interesting with God of War two, since the first one has already been on
PC and is doing. Well, let's see how long it takes for Ragnarok
to get to PC, right, yes, apparently, Jeff, Yeah,
Actually, twenty nineteen when Secoro one was also the year Distraney came out,
So we answered our own question really with that one one. Okay, look
at this, maybe Resievel two should have won that year. I don't know,
I can't. I'm still kind of mad in twenty twenty that Last of
Us Part two one over Hades actually or in even fun Phasy seven REMI,
yeah, well, what the Last of Us Part one this year? Oh?
God, no way, no way, right, no way, please?
No, that would be I No, there's no way, there's no
way that's happened. Not in a year with elden Ring. Not no chance
in that year, right, not a year with old All right, we
tag this and then we'll send that all right, Thank you everybody for your
patients there. All right, if what games do you have in these campuses
behind it? They look sharp, but I feel like you have a Dunkey
Kong junior one only to mock me. That's that you cost us the arcade
pit with that, what's suddenly some great affinity for Ducky. You barely played
it, you sucked at it. You have some big affinity for you played
it? Okay, So the story is I had played it like a couple
of times before. I never got past the first level. I was all
right, that's interesting, and moved on with my life. And then of
course came up in the art hate pit, and of course Dan Reker was
like, I love this scream I player a million times, so he just
flies right through it, while I'm like, overget that. I gave you
like a two minute head stark because I had. That's not how I remember
it anyway. Later that day, because I was feeling so terrible about losing,
I mean, we would have lost anyhow I we won, but whatever,
it was still an embarrassing showing her. I don't have much give me
that, at least in an effort to regain some dignity. I played a
lot of Donkey Kong Junior that day and really kind of fell in love with
it. It's really hard. It's a day too late. Ja, Look
what else I see? I seem sixty four? What's in between out Run
and Donkey km that's it's it's kind of dark. It's Mike Tyson's punch out
at night when they're running at night. Oh cool, Yeah, I like
it. There's a few more I gotta put up, but I'm I'm happy
with those. What did? I had another gameplay scene. It was actually
Donkey kNN but I accidentally ordered it as a mouse pad, so I kind
of that kind of I was gonna put that in the supermar sixty fourth spot,
but I figured that that's fine. I got a few there's actually and
over there there's the maps for Super MARIARP and Super uh and linked linked to
the past and stuff. So like that. Well, I'm gonna try to
visit you this weekend so I can get a full tour. Yes exactly,
I'm looking forward to it. My wife's making me really clean up, and
Mike. Mike's a slop. He doesn't care. Yeah, I don't get
too fancy for me? Please? All right, what is happening on Giant
Bomb this week? You know it's gonna be a week. I don't know.
We're gonna do the BombCast tomorrow. I think we have an arcade pit
set up for Wednesday, voicemail dump truck on Thursday, a bunch of quick
looks I'm sure keeping out on Twitter dot com slash a Giant Bomb for our
schedule, we will. I'm actually going right from here to a meeting where
we're going to figure out the entire week, So we'll put up a schedule
there. Mike, what are you up to this week? Yeah, I'll
be working over at GamesBeat dot com. We we're gonna be busy over there
as well, So check us out throughout the week for all those stories we
got going there. Uh yeah, gosh, I've been thought about the week
yet, Jeff, Really, I know. Here we are, it's Monday.
Let's go. We're did any newsbreak while we're here? It feels like
Monday's kind of get off to a slow start. Yeah, I think chat
with Tooth it does feel like us those start, which is kind of nice.
Knock on wood. Yeah, well see, we'll see well, I
didn't beyond good and evil to start like some kind of test today, which
is crazy to me. So at some point we're going to find out what
kind of game that actually is. It's a it's gonna be a Joseph Gordon
Levitt special, and that we are at the museum of other people's art that
they didn't pay for perfect, just like j G. I would have loved.
All right, with that, we are out. Thank you too,
Mike Manati, thanks so much man for joining me, Thank you for being
the best audience and gaming until the next morning. Muss mess, have a
good one, take care of yourself and goodbye. Well that led absolutely nowhere.