Terminator (1984) vs. Terminator 2: Part 2 of 2

<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, welcome back, Welcome back to the Surely
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<v Speaker 2>We are here in a biker bar. I'm enjoying a
<v Speaker 2>little pool and a little beer, and there's a naked man.
<v Speaker 3>Here and then you close your boots and your motorcycle.
<v Speaker 2>You forgot to say please Welcome back, everybody. This is
<v Speaker 2>the second part of our Terminator versus Terminator two podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Sure and check out last week's episode where we talked
<v Speaker 2>about the origin story on both of these and the casting,
<v Speaker 2>and now we're ready to jump into the movies and
<v Speaker 2>the production themselves.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, one of the things I want to talk about
<v Speaker 3>before we get too far down the line. They brought
<v Speaker 3>Linda Hamilton back for Terminator two. Yes, let's talk about
<v Speaker 3>Linda's body.
<v Speaker 2>She did a little bit of running and a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of weightlifting.
<v Speaker 3>I believe goodness, it was the talk of the entertainment
<v Speaker 3>world at that time. She transformed herself from puny, little
<v Speaker 3>wiener little Sarah Connor from nineteen eighty four right into
<v Speaker 3>hardened butt kicking Sarah Connor from nineteen ninety one.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, she apparently was training with Robert de niro k
<v Speaker 2>fear right came out of ninety one as well. He
<v Speaker 2>looked like a He got ribbed up too, that's right,
<v Speaker 2>poop House as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, apparently she lost twelve pounds, uh huh and just
<v Speaker 3>muscled up. You can tell as she's running down the
<v Speaker 3>hallway and in the fight scenes she is athletic and
<v Speaker 3>fast and fit and tough.
<v Speaker 2>And I imagine her from Terminator one dressed in the
<v Speaker 2>military fatigues that she puts on a termination she would
<v Speaker 2>have looked completely wrong. She would have looked like a
<v Speaker 2>marshmallow inside of a bulletproof vest. It doesn't make any sense.
<v Speaker 2>She made herself look like a hardened tough I've spent
<v Speaker 2>my entire life training for the days that are to come.
<v Speaker 4>Morning, Sarah, Good morning, doctor Silverman.
<v Speaker 2>How's the knee?
<v Speaker 3>Those pull ups that she did in her room, that's
<v Speaker 3>really her out there, just shredding it. And actually Arnold
<v Speaker 3>himself said, I'm really impressed with how Linda has trained
<v Speaker 3>her body and gotten fit.
<v Speaker 2>They wanted her to cut her hair.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. She actually held her ground on that. They
<v Speaker 3>really wanted her to cut her hair kind of short,
<v Speaker 3>military esque.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's going to be Vasquez from Aliens.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, and she's like, I want to keep it long.
<v Speaker 3>I want to hold onto that femininity just a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it worked, it worked, It would I I don't
<v Speaker 2>think I would have liked the I liked the haircut
<v Speaker 2>on Vesquez. I don't think I would have liked it
<v Speaker 2>on her. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, once again, James Cameron demonstrating how to
<v Speaker 3>have a female tough protagonist. Yep, Vasquez, Ripley, and now
<v Speaker 3>Sarah Connor.
<v Speaker 2>All Right, so let's jump back to Terminator and talk
<v Speaker 2>about the making of Okay, this is James Cameron's first movie.
<v Speaker 2>I'll say it again, this is James Cameron's first movie.
<v Speaker 2>He had done Exogenesis, which was a twenty minute thing
<v Speaker 2>that he did with his high school buddies on a
<v Speaker 2>no budget. I mean, go check it out. It's awesome,
<v Speaker 2>but it's not a movie. And then he had Piranha two,
<v Speaker 2>which he got fired from he didn't direct. He wanted
<v Speaker 2>his name taken off of it because he didn't direct it.
<v Speaker 2>Right now, he's the guy in charge of what is
<v Speaker 2>becoming a truly large budget, amazing movie.
<v Speaker 3>It's one of the most iconic movies of the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>But and it's not a huge budget.
<v Speaker 3>The budget of the original Terminator six point four million dollar.
<v Speaker 2>That's not very much money, no, I mean when we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about Hollywood money that I mean remember that five
<v Speaker 2>years before this, Tom Scarrett had heard about that number
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, sounds like an ed Wood movie. Yeah, right.
<v Speaker 2>But this is what Roger Corman says about James Cameron
<v Speaker 2>because they were talking to him about Titanic and the
<v Speaker 2>fact that you know, this was the most expensive movie
<v Speaker 2>of all time, and Roger Corman had said previously like
<v Speaker 2>you should never have to spend that much money in
<v Speaker 2>a movie. But when they talk to him about James Cameron,
<v Speaker 2>he goes the difference with James Cameron is you can
<v Speaker 2>see all of those dollar bills on the screen. You
<v Speaker 2>don't see something that's wasted. He takes every dollar and
<v Speaker 2>makes it look like ten.
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right. This is the same guy who painted
<v Speaker 3>big Macs dirofoam containers and put him on the wall
<v Speaker 3>for Galaxy of Terror.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is what he did. Like Roger Corman came in,
<v Speaker 2>He's like, it doesn't really have any dimension on this wall.
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it needs more depth and more variation.
<v Speaker 2>And Jim Cameron's like, I'll see what I can do, Sir.
<v Speaker 2>Roger Corman Leaves comes back the next morning, has got
<v Speaker 2>the wall completely covered with boxes that he bought from
<v Speaker 2>a grocery store, dials that he picked up at a
<v Speaker 2>hardware store, and he's like, Jim, this is amazing. How
<v Speaker 2>much did it cost? He's like, twelve dollars.
<v Speaker 3>That's great.
<v Speaker 2>He knows how to stretch the dollar and make it work.
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what he's doing on this movie.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, let's let's just go ahead and get
<v Speaker 3>this on the table right now. Yeah, Terminator's budget six
<v Speaker 3>point four million. Okay, you compare that to Terminator two
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and two million dollars.
<v Speaker 2>That's a little bit of a jump.
<v Speaker 3>That's a jump, right, Yeah, But Terminator made over seventy
<v Speaker 3>eight million dollars on a six million dollar budget. Yep, okay,
<v Speaker 3>Terminator two five hundred and twenty million dollars. Wow, so
<v Speaker 3>took relatively modest budgets. Now T Two's is exorbitant, but
<v Speaker 3>he made five times as much, right, so impressive, hits.
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<v Speaker 2>So Los Angeles Colon twenty twenty nine, Yeah, which in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four seemed like a long ways away and
<v Speaker 2>right now it's eight years away.
<v Speaker 3>Do we have any laser guns right now? No?
<v Speaker 2>But we do have AI. Yeah, we've got AI that
<v Speaker 2>I've seen. Elon Musk could go. Yeah. I tried to
<v Speaker 2>tell them that they needed to be careful about this,
<v Speaker 2>but they just wouldn't listen, Like, holy crap, dude.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>The good news is we haven't had the nuclear holocausts
<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen ninety seven.
<v Speaker 3>Skynet has not become self aware just.
<v Speaker 2>Yet not yet.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well that's cool. I've got some behind the scenes
<v Speaker 3>stuff I want to talk about from the movie Terminator.
<v Speaker 2>That's good.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So we talked about how sometimes they had filmmaking
<v Speaker 3>permits and sometimes they didn't. They filmed most of this
<v Speaker 3>movie at night. Yeah, so it messed with the cast's
<v Speaker 3>sleeping schedule and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>So it was kind of a tense thing. But people
<v Speaker 3>come up to Michael Bean and they're like, oh, man,
<v Speaker 3>so you were on the Terminator. He's like, yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>was in the Terminator. Like what's it like working with Arnold?
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I don't know. I never worked with him.
<v Speaker 3>They were there in one shot together that's in the
<v Speaker 3>Tech Noir. Okay. So the Terminator comes, puts the laser
<v Speaker 3>right on Sarah Connor's forehead, and Reese makes his move
<v Speaker 3>and shoots him actually in the arm, which if you
<v Speaker 3>watch carefully, I didn't really pick up on this. That
<v Speaker 3>shotgun blast to his arm. It damages his arm and
<v Speaker 3>that's why he has to go fix it later. But
<v Speaker 3>they never interacted. They never spoke on screen, and Arnold
<v Speaker 3>made it a point not to hang out with Lynn
<v Speaker 3>Hamilton and Michael Bean. He didn't want to be friendly
<v Speaker 3>with him. Right, I'm the dominator. I'm trying to kill you. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>they shared one scene together, and you think about it
<v Speaker 3>when Michael Bean gets killed later on the movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's not Arnold, it's that it's the Endo skeleton.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, never worked with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
<v Speaker 2>Crazy, Okay, most iconic line's probably said it five times already,
<v Speaker 2>most Yeah, you would, what is it? Say it?
<v Speaker 3>I'll be back?
<v Speaker 2>Right? So, Arnold Schwarzenegger did not want to say that
<v Speaker 2>line that way, right, He didn't want to do it.
<v Speaker 2>And he comes and I mean, you got to think
<v Speaker 2>about this. You've got the first time director. He's stressed out.
<v Speaker 2>They've gone through quite a bit of production at this point.
<v Speaker 2>He and Arnold got along great. They've read motorcycles together.
<v Speaker 2>They got along really well, except for this moment where
<v Speaker 2>Arnold comes to him and says, I don't like this line.
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense. It should be I will
<v Speaker 2>be back.
<v Speaker 3>I think he's got a good point.
<v Speaker 2>But James Cameron was steadfast. He's like, really, at this point,
<v Speaker 2>you're rewriting my script for me. You're the actor. I'm
<v Speaker 2>the scriptwriter, just say it the way that I wrote it.
<v Speaker 2>So Arnold has still giving him He's like, my accent,
<v Speaker 2>it's all. He recognized himself that he couldn't enunciate that
<v Speaker 2>word the appropriate way, and so James Cameron's like, we
<v Speaker 2>will film it six different ways and pick the best one.
<v Speaker 2>I'll be back, and it becomes the most iconic line
<v Speaker 2>in the whole movie.
<v Speaker 3>According to AFI, the American Film Institute, I'll be back
<v Speaker 3>is the number thirty seventh greatest line in movie history.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, pull that right out of your head.
<v Speaker 1>I did.
<v Speaker 3>I wrote that down.
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because if you just think about, like if
<v Speaker 2>you just looked at that on the written page, it's
<v Speaker 2>a throwaway line, right right, I'll be that. That's not
<v Speaker 2>a big important line. But because it's followed up, like
<v Speaker 2>because the audience is in on the fact that this
<v Speaker 2>guy is a terminator and he's doing whatever he wants
<v Speaker 2>to to reach his target, you know something's about to happen.
<v Speaker 2>And my gosh, they give us the dessert before the meal.
<v Speaker 2>They have him drive that car right through freaking front
<v Speaker 2>so cool.
<v Speaker 3>And that assault on the police station is amazing because
<v Speaker 3>the police are no match for this guy, and Reese
<v Speaker 3>had just told them what was going to happen. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>he's like, you don't get it. He'll wave through you,
<v Speaker 3>reach down her throat and pull out her effing heart.
<v Speaker 2>He'll find her. That's what he done.
<v Speaker 3>That's all he's done.
<v Speaker 5>He'll can't stop him.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the It is something that you've seen time
<v Speaker 2>and again where someone who genuinely has gone through a
<v Speaker 2>miraculous or scientifically implausible thing. I mean, look, think about
<v Speaker 2>Back to the Future and they're talking about their reality
<v Speaker 2>and to everyone else they've seem crazy crazy, right, But
<v Speaker 2>it's there's a cut scene you know about this. There's
<v Speaker 2>a cut scene during that shootout where that police chief
<v Speaker 2>realizes that Reese had been telling the truth, that like,
<v Speaker 2>this is really happening, and he's the one that gives
<v Speaker 2>Reese the gun so that Reese can fight back.
<v Speaker 3>Really Yeah, oh that's amazing. I wish we'd have seen that. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 3>so here's the deal. I got a stat for you.
<v Speaker 3>Ready for this? The Terminator in part one, the T
<v Speaker 3>eight hundred, the original, Yes, he kills twenty seven people. Okay, okay,
<v Speaker 3>stay with me now, Yeah, he kills the Punker at
<v Speaker 3>the beginning where he actually does reach inside his body
<v Speaker 3>pulls out his heart. Yeah, he kills the gun store owner,
<v Speaker 3>our buddy from Gremlins.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>He kills two Sarah Connors, Sarah Connor. Yeah, he kills
<v Speaker 3>Madden Ginger.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>He kills three people in tech nowir the club, Yes
<v Speaker 3>with the Newsy Yes, seventeen police officers, which we find
<v Speaker 3>out in Terminator two. Right, and then Sarah's.
<v Speaker 2>Mother, Oh, that's right, the destroyed house when she's called
<v Speaker 2>and he's imitating her voice. Yep.
<v Speaker 3>I mean we didn't see that, but we got to assume. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the subject is typically terminated. Yes, you know, right,
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven people killed by the Terminator. You know, many
<v Speaker 3>people he kills in the second one zero zero zero,
<v Speaker 3>because that was the promise, right. Yeah, Now, the t
<v Speaker 3>one thousand kills the police officer at the beginning, he
<v Speaker 3>kills Janelle and Todd. He kills Max the dog, which
<v Speaker 3>is a cut scene. I don't know if you know
<v Speaker 3>about this.
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's tragic.
<v Speaker 3>Did you see that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, I did not.
<v Speaker 3>He kills the dog, the family dog, murders the dog.
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of dogs. During the production of Terminator one of
<v Speaker 2>the studio guys comes in and says, hey, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that Reese is very sympathetic. I think
<v Speaker 2>he would be. It would be better if he had
<v Speaker 2>a dog. And so they were supposed to like he's
<v Speaker 2>like he suggested him having a Terminator dog. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>so and so James Cameron was like, that's a great idea.
<v Speaker 2>I'll see if I can work with that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, super idea. I think I'll put it in maybe
<v Speaker 3>maybe never. So listen to this when you talk about
<v Speaker 3>changing the script. Yeah, okay, this is this is such
<v Speaker 3>typical suit behavior, right. These guys Daily and another guy
<v Speaker 3>named Mike Metavoy, who had recommended arn Swarzenator to Cameron,
<v Speaker 3>come to him and say, we want the movie Terminator
<v Speaker 3>to die after the tanker explosion, like Reese slides that
<v Speaker 3>pipe bomb in there, it blows up. We want the
<v Speaker 3>Terminator to die because it's gonna be pretty expensive from
<v Speaker 3>that point on. So the no yeah, so so, no
<v Speaker 3>resurrection of the endoskeleton, no awesome chase of the robot right,
<v Speaker 3>no hydraulic press, none of that, no death of Reese.
<v Speaker 3>All of that was gonna be cut. So the suit's
<v Speaker 3>coming to Jim Cameron and they say, hey, we want
<v Speaker 3>you to cut that scene from the tanker explosion on yes,
<v Speaker 3>And Jim Cameron is like, if you the movie is
<v Speaker 3>not over yet, right, that's really similar to what happened
<v Speaker 3>in Terminator two. They wanted to cut that biker scene
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning. Okay, what the introduction of the terminator, right,
<v Speaker 3>and all this stuff, the really cool fight and the
<v Speaker 3>pool que and then all that stuff. Yeah, And so
<v Speaker 3>they went to Arnold and they said, listen, Jim's not
<v Speaker 3>gonna like this, but we want to cut that opening scene.
<v Speaker 3>We already know who the Terminator is. We don't need
<v Speaker 3>to rEFInd out that information. And so Arnold Schwarzenegger said,
<v Speaker 3>that's only something a suit would say. I'm not going
<v Speaker 3>to say that to Jim. We'll film that scene both times.
<v Speaker 3>The studio back down.
<v Speaker 2>Nice, Well, it's Arnold Schwarzenegger, what are you going to do? Right? So,
<v Speaker 2>before they got the news that they had to postpone
<v Speaker 2>making Terminator one because Dino de la Renis had said
<v Speaker 2>we're making Conan Part two, Arnold Schwarzenegger had been training
<v Speaker 2>with guns. He had been training every day for a
<v Speaker 2>month to prepare and he would practice taking them apart
<v Speaker 2>and put them back together, to the point that he
<v Speaker 2>could do it blindfolded like a machine. Yep. Perfect. And
<v Speaker 2>he does such a good job that soldier of Fortune magazine,
<v Speaker 2>who usually makes fun of people actors in the way
<v Speaker 2>that they handle guns, actually complimented him and said he
<v Speaker 2>looked like he really knew what he was doing.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Here's something I found interesting.
<v Speaker 3>During the production of Conan the Destroyer, they interviewed Arnold
<v Speaker 3>Schwarzenegger about his upcoming stuff, right, and he referred to
<v Speaker 3>The Terminator as some movie I'm doing. It's going to
<v Speaker 3>take a few weeks. He wasn't a big believer in
<v Speaker 3>the project, which is crazy. Yeah, And however, he has
<v Speaker 3>since recanted that and said it was wrong with me
<v Speaker 3>to judge the movie before I was fully involved, and
<v Speaker 3>James Cameron created a fantastic character. And while I was hesitant,
<v Speaker 3>I now know The Terminator is a defining work in
<v Speaker 3>my career. Okay, let's talk time travel for a second. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>you ready for this?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right.
<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing that is so cool about Terminator and
<v Speaker 3>so difficult to understand. Okay, the rules of time travel. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>all right, so here are the rules.
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, are they the rules from Back to
<v Speaker 2>the Future Bill and Ted or from Avengers Endgame? Okay?
<v Speaker 3>And I know there's tons of stuff on the internet
<v Speaker 3>about this. We could talk all day about this, but
<v Speaker 3>here's the gist. Okay. Sarah Connor as she's going through
<v Speaker 3>her life boom, her life is invaded by this game,
<v Speaker 3>and Kyle Reese and the Terminator have been sent from
<v Speaker 3>the future one sent to Killer one Cent to protect her.
<v Speaker 3>She has a romantic moment with her protector, Kyle Reese,
<v Speaker 3>becomes pregnant with her son, who becomes John Connor. And
<v Speaker 3>so you have this little interesting time loop, yes, where
<v Speaker 3>John Connor since his friend Kyle reeves back to protect his.
<v Speaker 2>Mother, his dad, Kyle reesack.
<v Speaker 3>His dad who's also his friend. Yeah right, hey, go
<v Speaker 3>back and nail my mom. So I can exist. But
<v Speaker 3>how would he exist to do that if he hadn't
<v Speaker 3>done that in.
<v Speaker 2>The first place. It's all the timeline, okay.
<v Speaker 3>And then also the events of Terminator, including the hand
<v Speaker 3>that is reaching for Sarah Connor's throat and the chip
<v Speaker 3>in his head that sets off a chain of events
<v Speaker 3>that takes Miles Dyson down where he can then build
<v Speaker 3>something like reverse Engineer in order to create Cyberdiine, which
<v Speaker 3>then leads to Skynet, which then leads to the Terminators.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it's I don't know. I don't try to explain it.
<v Speaker 2>I just enjoy it. Okay, time travel is not an
<v Speaker 2>actual thing right now that we know of Who's to say?
<v Speaker 3>Here's the other thing I want to talk about? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I got a couple buddes, Jeff Bulls and roumangoat and
<v Speaker 3>we've talked about this many times. Okay, Kyle Reese when
<v Speaker 3>he's at the police department, he's very clear, we both
<v Speaker 3>went back in time, and once we did that, they
<v Speaker 3>smashed the grid. Right, we had one. He makes the
<v Speaker 3>whole case that is just him and me. There's no
<v Speaker 3>going home, and there's nobody else coming through to help. Okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>well that's a great plot for part one. What happens
<v Speaker 3>in part two?
<v Speaker 2>He was wrong?
<v Speaker 3>I guess it was wrong.
<v Speaker 2>It was wrong. I mean, well, how does he know
<v Speaker 2>he left?
<v Speaker 3>Well? I guess so, yeah, And I think Terminator Genesis
<v Speaker 3>addresses that, uh huh, like he went through and something
<v Speaker 3>else happened that he didn't know about. But still, this
<v Speaker 3>is why part three sucks so bad is because the
<v Speaker 3>premise of part three is nothing. None of those events matters.
<v Speaker 3>Judgment Day happens anyway.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh?
<v Speaker 3>Which is that's complete bull crab. That's the whole thing
<v Speaker 3>that Terminator two wrapped up for us.
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't you like Terminator Dark Fate?
<v Speaker 3>Oh, don't even get me started. I killed John Connor
<v Speaker 3>in the first five minutes. Spoiler alert check that out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so beginning of the movie. Still early in
<v Speaker 2>the movie, right, yeah, there's a message that like Linda
<v Speaker 2>Hamilton's Sarah Connor gets a message on her machine that
<v Speaker 2>the guy's breaking her date. By the way, side note,
<v Speaker 2>side note, they have a lizard that's the most random
<v Speaker 2>Pugsy Hugsy from the Adams Family Pugsly. The lizard doesn't
<v Speaker 2>show up again. Is not a plot device. It's not
<v Speaker 2>really cute and cuddly. What why why did they have
<v Speaker 2>Why do they have the lizard?
<v Speaker 3>Good question? Okay, no idea.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, while she's she's decided to stay home with
<v Speaker 2>Pugsy because her date has been broken. Right voice on
<v Speaker 2>the answering machine leaving her the message James Cameron.
<v Speaker 3>AhR, that's cool, nice all right. August twenty ninth, nineteen
<v Speaker 3>ninety seven is Judgment Day. Okay, that's the day that
<v Speaker 3>Skynett becomes self aware and launches his attack on the Russians.
<v Speaker 3>The Russians then fireback of the US and we have
<v Speaker 3>massive nuclear holocaust. Yes, this is the date we are
<v Speaker 3>trying to avoid. Sarah makes the case that anybody not
<v Speaker 3>wearing two million sunblock is going to have a really
<v Speaker 3>bad day. Right, Okay, Yeah, you know what happened August
<v Speaker 3>twenty ninth, nineteen ninety seven, Like in reality, In reality,
<v Speaker 3>no Netflix is launched.
<v Speaker 2>Oh so Netflix.
<v Speaker 3>Is aim Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So you remember speaking of Fright Night versus Lost Boys,
<v Speaker 2>You remember that both of those movies had an interesting
<v Speaker 2>story where the guys went out and make up into
<v Speaker 2>the regular world. Yeah, it's kind of freaking the same
<v Speaker 2>thing happened in this movie. Arnold goes out to get
<v Speaker 2>a bite at a restaurant and forgets that he's got
<v Speaker 2>half of his face missing. Freaks out. Everybody has like
<v Speaker 2>the missing eye and the exposed jawbone and the burned flesh,
<v Speaker 2>and everybody at the restaurant doesn't want to eat anymore.
<v Speaker 3>That's great.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So just again to kind of separate what's going
<v Speaker 2>on plot wise from reality. While Terminator one is going on,
<v Speaker 2>James Cameron is falling in love. Yeah, he is with
<v Speaker 2>his producer, Gallien Hurd. Yeah, they get married, and then
<v Speaker 2>of course they're divorced by the time that he two
<v Speaker 2>rolls around. And then during T two he.
<v Speaker 3>Falls in love again with miss Linda Hamilton.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well she's been working out.
<v Speaker 3>I love those viceps of years. Okay, So a couple
<v Speaker 3>of little tidbits ione through out here real quick, okay.
<v Speaker 3>From Terminator there's a really cool scene where Arnold jumps
<v Speaker 3>through fire onto the hood of the car and punches
<v Speaker 3>out the windshield yep. In that scene, he actually burns
<v Speaker 3>his hair off, so his hairstyle changes yep, and his
<v Speaker 3>eyebrows get burned off. He actually ensured his eyebrows with
<v Speaker 3>Lloyd's of London in case they didn't grow back.
<v Speaker 2>Nice. This is why he wears sunglasses, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>because why would a robot need sunglasses? He doesn't have
<v Speaker 2>real flesh eyes, right.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Plus he has to go back to the apartment
<v Speaker 3>take out one of his eyes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that also needs to be covered up.
<v Speaker 3>You don't one of the things we didn't really talk about.
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember watching these movies in the theater or
<v Speaker 3>at home or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>So, truthfully, because Terminator it came out in eighty four,
<v Speaker 2>so I was eight years old, I didn't sneak into
<v Speaker 2>it like I snuck into risky business vacation and trading places,
<v Speaker 2>and so I didn't get to see Terminator for a
<v Speaker 2>long time. By the time T two came out, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't really care because I wasn't a Terminator guy. So
<v Speaker 2>it was years after these movies came out before I
<v Speaker 2>finally rented them and watched them.
<v Speaker 3>Really okay, Yeah, So I discovered Terminator on HBO okay,
<v Speaker 3>like a year after it had come out, and was
<v Speaker 3>totally blown away. I watched this and I thought, man,
<v Speaker 3>this is really cool. I actually read the novelization. Oh wow,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was into it. So when T two
<v Speaker 3>comes out in ninety one, we go opening nine.
<v Speaker 2>So it is important for our fans to know that
<v Speaker 2>you are a James Cameron freak.
<v Speaker 3>Yes I am. I'm a super freak.
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, I am. You are a James Cameron super freak. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>we started hanging out roughly two thousand and nine, I
<v Speaker 2>started trying to get in shape. We started running. If
<v Speaker 2>you want to hear our preview episodes, that's how like,
<v Speaker 2>that's how this podcast came to be, was our runs.
<v Speaker 2>And that was two thousand and nine. And there was
<v Speaker 2>a movie that came out in two thousand and nine
<v Speaker 2>called Avatar. Yeah, and that was the first movie you
<v Speaker 2>and I ever saw that.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>And we walked into that movie and it was full,
<v Speaker 2>Like the entire theater was full. We had gotten the
<v Speaker 2>three D movie thinking, okay, three D won't be as
<v Speaker 2>many people, Oh my gosh, completely full except for like
<v Speaker 2>a few seats on the very front row. And so
<v Speaker 2>you and I watched Avatar three D glasses, having to
<v Speaker 2>look from right to left just to get the full picture.
<v Speaker 3>That's right.
<v Speaker 2>And it was amazing.
<v Speaker 3>It was amazing. I love Avatar. I think it's an
<v Speaker 3>incredible movie. Now here's the other thing. So when I
<v Speaker 3>say I'm a James Cameron, super freaking I love all
<v Speaker 3>of his stuff and I take a lot of craft
<v Speaker 3>for this, all right. So I love Terminator. I love
<v Speaker 3>Terminator too. I love Aliens, I love true lies, I
<v Speaker 3>love the Abyss, and yes, I love Titanic. It is
<v Speaker 3>a master at work. I unapologetically freaking love the movie Titanic.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just got to say this, And I may
<v Speaker 2>have mentioned before, maybe I haven't. And I'm sure when
<v Speaker 2>we cover Titanic, which I know that we will, we'll
<v Speaker 2>probably do Forrest Gump Versus Titanic at some point in
<v Speaker 2>the future. I've been in two fights in my life.
<v Speaker 2>One of them was as a teenager with my dad,
<v Speaker 2>which everybody goes through, right, and then the other one
<v Speaker 2>was in the movie theater when I was watching the
<v Speaker 2>movie Titanic for the second time. I had seen it
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, this is actually pretty durn good,
<v Speaker 2>and so I brought my girlfriend with me to watch
<v Speaker 2>it the second time. And then these guys come in
<v Speaker 2>and start causing trouble. At the end of the movie.
<v Speaker 2>They're like yelling and being rude, and everybody's yelling back
<v Speaker 2>at them, finally yelling at them to get out, and
<v Speaker 2>they start to leave the theater, and I think I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to say this and just be kind of cool.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I think I should go make sure that
<v Speaker 2>they actually get out of here without getting somebody in
<v Speaker 2>a fight and expecting my girlfriend to go, no, no,
<v Speaker 2>it'll be okay. But she's like, yeah, I think you should.
<v Speaker 2>I don't beat him upde okay, great, and so I go.
<v Speaker 2>I'm at the top of the stairs. They're walking down
<v Speaker 2>the stairs. Everything looks like it's going to be fine
<v Speaker 2>until some guy in the middle row takes his giant, big,
<v Speaker 2>gulf size drink and chunks it at these guys. It
<v Speaker 2>smashes against the wall, splashes all over them. They of
<v Speaker 2>course immediately turn around, head up the stairs and who's
<v Speaker 2>who's waiting them? Who's waiting for them except mister I've
<v Speaker 2>never been in a real fight in my life, but
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I couldn't let them know that.
<v Speaker 6>They're like, do you do that?
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, no, I didn't, but you're not
<v Speaker 2>going to find out who did. And the fight was on.
<v Speaker 2>The lasted for about fifteen seconds, rolled down the stairs,
<v Speaker 2>wrestling with each other, pulled out into the hallway. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>the police were there and they let me go back
<v Speaker 2>and I got to finish the second time of fight Titanic.
<v Speaker 3>About that man. That is a cool story.
<v Speaker 2>There you go, Okay, So let's jump from production on
<v Speaker 2>Terminator one and let's go over to T two. Okay, okay,
<v Speaker 2>So massive iconic scene is the riverbed chase. Whatever the
<v Speaker 2>h that's awesome, right, And you pointed this out to me,
<v Speaker 2>and I was watching with Caleb because he's my guy
<v Speaker 2>to watch movies with, right, right, So we're watching this
<v Speaker 2>together and I'm listening, like you hear it's guns and
<v Speaker 2>roses because Caleb knows rock, right, he knows guns and roses. Like,
<v Speaker 2>oh okay, and I'm even point it out again. I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna look there it is again. This is you could
<v Speaker 2>be mine by guns and roses. Again. He's like, okay, Dad,
<v Speaker 2>I got it. And I'm like, are you watching? Are
<v Speaker 2>you watching? And Arnold Schwarzenegger has the box of roses
<v Speaker 2>and then it bursts open and it is a gun,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, is he that is he that? He's
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah, like it was a gun in rows.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, ah, I love it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is actually a really cool nod to guns
<v Speaker 3>and roses.
<v Speaker 2>So that gun then comes into play during that big
<v Speaker 2>chase sequence right where they're driving, and he's that's can
<v Speaker 2>you imagine how difficult that was to do? The driving?
<v Speaker 2>The motorcycle through the gates shooting the gun and he
<v Speaker 2>has to do it like a robot. He like bruised
<v Speaker 2>up his hands, tore the skin off his hands, hit
<v Speaker 2>Edward Furlong in the head, but the gun almost knocked
<v Speaker 2>him out once right, and it was all perfectly edited together,
<v Speaker 2>so it looked like a genuine Terminator robot driving a
<v Speaker 2>motorcycle chasing a semi and a little kid on a
<v Speaker 2>third one.
<v Speaker 3>That scene is so incredible.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get to go check this out, but I
<v Speaker 2>seem to remember that when I watched it the first
<v Speaker 2>time that I was like, Okay, I can see the
<v Speaker 2>stuntman's face, like I recognized the stuntman as not Arnold Schwarzenegger.
<v Speaker 2>When I watched it this time, I think they've seed
<v Speaker 2>gi'ed it more. I think that because it looks like Arnold,
<v Speaker 2>it does not look like somebody else anymore in any
<v Speaker 2>parts of that.
<v Speaker 3>You know, one of the cool shots you mentioned that
<v Speaker 3>scene that is super cool scene They had the motorcycle
<v Speaker 3>and it's where Arnold has to jump the motorcycle from
<v Speaker 3>up one level to down one level and it was
<v Speaker 3>going to be about nine hundred pounds of force if
<v Speaker 3>it just natural gravity happened, right, it would destroy the bike,
<v Speaker 3>and so obviously they didn't want to do that. But
<v Speaker 3>the suspension wires, Jim Cameron kind of rigged this up.
<v Speaker 3>When you look at it, you're like, man, that landed
<v Speaker 3>was some impact. So those wires held the weight a
<v Speaker 3>little bit, but not entirely. So when he lands, he
<v Speaker 3>like he has a good jolt, you know, and you think, well,
<v Speaker 3>that looks really real.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not some crappy CGI shot. It's an actual
<v Speaker 3>motorcycle landing on actual pavement.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And speaking about having to make changes on the fly,
<v Speaker 2>the semi truck, it wasn't until they got it down
<v Speaker 2>in the little riverbed area that they realized it was
<v Speaker 2>too tall to go the overpass well, and so James
<v Speaker 2>Cameron's like, well, let's just drive it through and cut
<v Speaker 2>off the top.
<v Speaker 3>Take the roof off.
<v Speaker 2>And what an incredible scene comes about from that, And
<v Speaker 2>that's the fire scene where the liquid metal terminator comes out.
<v Speaker 3>And that's really the time as the audience fe you're like, well,
<v Speaker 3>this thing's really indestructible. Yeah, okay, so here here's a
<v Speaker 3>funny story that I found. The motorcycle biker bar at
<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the movie, right, do you have the
<v Speaker 3>introduction of the Arnold character and he walks into the
<v Speaker 3>biker bar and he's totally nude. Yeah, and I want
<v Speaker 3>you to close your boots and your motorcycle.
<v Speaker 2>Right. I love that the girls are all just like
<v Speaker 2>shocked and then interested, Oh my god, hell.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, what's up. In order to be funny, Arnold wore
<v Speaker 3>these incredibly obnoxious swimsuit shorts. Yeah, and everybody's like, huh,
<v Speaker 3>those are funny. There's a funny looking shorts. But apparently
<v Speaker 3>they have all these lights and all these trucks and
<v Speaker 3>all these movie cameras and everything. They said. One woman
<v Speaker 3>wandered off the street watered into the bar and looked
<v Speaker 3>around and was like, what's going on here? And Arnold said,
<v Speaker 3>it's mail striper Knight. That biker bar is actually a
<v Speaker 3>biker bar.
<v Speaker 2>Or was yeah, it's a library now, right.
<v Speaker 3>It's a library now. And it was located right across
<v Speaker 3>the street from where Rodney King got his Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>they were from the cops. Yeah, filming on the night
<v Speaker 3>that had happened. What, Yes, they were filming on the
<v Speaker 3>night that that happened. I don't know if it was
<v Speaker 3>at the exact same time, but I mean they were
<v Speaker 3>filming at the same time that the Rodney King incident
<v Speaker 3>happened right across the stre Wow. Wow, one little tibbet
<v Speaker 3>for you. When they showed this movie to Spanish speaking countries, Yes,
<v Speaker 3>the Osta la Vista baby line, yes is changed too,
<v Speaker 3>sayonara baby, which I sent this video to you? I
<v Speaker 3>sent a video to you. I believe this is unverified,
<v Speaker 3>but the US still live east A baby line comes
<v Speaker 3>from a Jody Wattley song from nineteen eighty seven called
<v Speaker 3>looking for a New Love. Okay, that song was very
<v Speaker 3>popular and she says it many times in the song.
<v Speaker 2>Let's listens, Yeah, but later dick wad and if someone
<v Speaker 2>gives upset, say chill out, or you can do combinations.
<v Speaker 3>Chill out, dick wad, No problem, no problem. Okay. Let's
<v Speaker 3>talk about the deleted scenes really quick. Okay, Okay, Like aliens,
<v Speaker 3>there are some deleted scenes that are really cool. We
<v Speaker 3>already talked, I think in our last episode about where
<v Speaker 3>the two one thousand actually kills the dog, the family dog. Right,
<v Speaker 3>that was cut out, But there's a really interesting scene
<v Speaker 3>when they hole up in that gas station. John says,
<v Speaker 3>does your computer chip allow you to learn so you
<v Speaker 3>can emulate human behavior better? And the terminator says, basically,
<v Speaker 3>I have a chip, but you have to reprogram it
<v Speaker 3>in order for that to happen. And so in order
<v Speaker 3>to do that, they have to take a party's head
<v Speaker 3>and they have to remove this tube. And it's a
<v Speaker 3>really cool scene. So they have this practical effect where
<v Speaker 3>you have a false Arnold Torso across from real Arnold Schwarzenegger.
<v Speaker 3>It's supposed to be a mirror, but they're actually there's
<v Speaker 3>no glass in between them. And then you have Linda
<v Speaker 3>Hamilton working on the dummy who's across from Linda Hamilton's
<v Speaker 3>twin sister, Leslie. So this is really cool scene. They
<v Speaker 3>cut it out and you know, they easily explain it
<v Speaker 3>by saying my own the terminator just learns. But it's
<v Speaker 3>a really cool scene because when they remove the chip,
<v Speaker 3>Sarah wants to destroy the chip and we don't need
<v Speaker 3>this protector.
<v Speaker 2>We're better on our own.
<v Speaker 3>And that's when John actually leads in such a way
<v Speaker 3>to say, no, we are taking this guy and he
<v Speaker 3>is going to help.
<v Speaker 2>Us, right, pretty cool scene.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then at the end of the movie, the
<v Speaker 3>T one thousand after he gets in the liquid nitrogen
<v Speaker 3>blown up, he reforms, but he starts to glitch, so
<v Speaker 3>his hand starts to not work properly in his feet
<v Speaker 3>start to meld to the to the the grading a
<v Speaker 3>little bit more right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and her twin sister comes up in that last
<v Speaker 2>scene as well. Whenever whenever the T one thousand is
<v Speaker 2>pretending to be Sarah Connor and then the real Sarah
<v Speaker 2>Connor shows up. I mean I always just thought they've
<v Speaker 2>done a double image double shot like you would normally
<v Speaker 2>do when you were twentying somebody. But as you mentioned,
<v Speaker 2>Linda Happleleton has an actual twin and that's who they used.
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gotta rest your soul. She passed away last year. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Which that's one of the only scenes in the
<v Speaker 3>entire movie that I have a problem with. Okay, the
<v Speaker 3>T one thousand is torturing Sarah, saying Caul.
<v Speaker 2>John, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
<v Speaker 3>He would just rip her heart out emulate her, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and pretend to be Sarah exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Oh and talking about you know, the glitchy part after
<v Speaker 2>he has the liquid nitrogen thing, the way that they
<v Speaker 2>actually filmed that scene is they got an amputee actor
<v Speaker 2>to walk that part and have the limbs fall off.
<v Speaker 2>Oh cool, then kind of merged it with Robert Patrick.
<v Speaker 2>It's really an amazing bit of editing again that they
<v Speaker 2>that they did.
<v Speaker 3>At the end of the movie when the T eight
<v Speaker 3>hundred and T one thousand fight. Yeah, there's a scene
<v Speaker 3>where Robert Patrick's character has to use a poll to
<v Speaker 3>hit the terminator.
<v Speaker 4>Right, yes, yeah, So they had a false arm and
<v Speaker 4>he was supposed to hit a certain spot and he
<v Speaker 4>did it and Roberts like, crap, I missed the mark
<v Speaker 4>and I whacked him right, and he said, Arnold didn't
<v Speaker 4>cry out, he didn't do anything when they said.
<v Speaker 3>Cut, Arnold said, Roberts, that was my real arm. One
<v Speaker 3>other scene that was filmed but didn't make it to
<v Speaker 3>the final movie was this alternate ending where Sarah is
<v Speaker 3>a grandmother. She's at that same park that gets blown
<v Speaker 3>up by the nuclear black and John is a senator.
<v Speaker 2>And have that got to have the sequels that sued. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>let's talk real quick about special effects. Okay, we mentioned
<v Speaker 2>Stan Winston in our Aliens Versus Alien podcast from before, right, right,
<v Speaker 2>So what's interesting is Stan Winston's first really big movie
<v Speaker 2>as a special effects guy was Terminator, Right. He had
<v Speaker 2>done some other prosthetics stuff, like if you've ever seen
<v Speaker 2>Little Big Man with Dustin Hoffman, there's a part where
<v Speaker 2>he's really that was stan Winston who did that, right. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So when Terminator got greenlit, James Cameron wanted Dick Smith
<v Speaker 2>to come in and do the special effects, and Dick
<v Speaker 2>Smith was like, thank you, but no, you should hire
<v Speaker 2>mister stan Winston. And so Terminator was stan Winston's first
<v Speaker 2>really big special effects movie. And then he of course
<v Speaker 2>comes back for Terminator too, right, And in addition to
<v Speaker 2>all the prosthetics that he got to do with this one,
<v Speaker 2>he also has that nuclear apocalypse scene where she's dreaming
<v Speaker 2>and you know, she's seeing herself on the playground with
<v Speaker 2>Little John and she's trying to save everybody screaming from
<v Speaker 2>the fence and then the nuclear holl house, and they
<v Speaker 2>like made miniatures. They used shredded wheat and all this
<v Speaker 2>other stuff to make it. And it was like when
<v Speaker 2>I saw it, I was like, I feel like they
<v Speaker 2>took real footage from like back in the mid twentieth
<v Speaker 2>century and you but no, this was stuff that they
<v Speaker 2>all just created themselves and then they had the people
<v Speaker 2>burn like paper. And Stan Winston says, of all of
<v Speaker 2>the special effects he's done in all of the horror
<v Speaker 2>movies that he's been a part of, that scene was
<v Speaker 2>the most unsettling to him.
<v Speaker 3>That's really good.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're ready to talk soundtrack.
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk soundtrack.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, both scores are iconic, right, yes, no question, right,
<v Speaker 2>and a major part of the movie, yes, for sure.
<v Speaker 2>But once again, with the Terminator, you have a composer
<v Speaker 2>that had never done a movie before. Wow. Right, So
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this guy before, talked about him on
<v Speaker 2>Fright Night. Right, he's the guy who did the soundtrack
<v Speaker 2>Fright Night. But Fright Night was after terminating, Yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 3>And she's the one who did come to me?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, your story about hey, yeah, is this Brad Fidel? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>you know that song come to Me? Yeah, you have
<v Speaker 2>a longer version.
<v Speaker 3>My boyfriend and I really love that song.
<v Speaker 2>Just have to play it.
<v Speaker 3>That's such a great story.
<v Speaker 2>So Brad Fidel, Right, we've got strong synthesizer music. Brad
<v Speaker 2>Fidel was actually this lady named Beth Donahue. She was
<v Speaker 2>an agent and she heard that James Cameron was working
<v Speaker 2>on Terminator, and so she sends him a cassette tape
<v Speaker 2>of Fidel's music, and Cameron and Herd were both just
<v Speaker 2>kind of meh on it. Meh yeah, and he says
<v Speaker 2>Brad Fidel says, I showed them an experimental piece that
<v Speaker 2>I've been working on, and I said, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to play this for him because it's really
<v Speaker 2>dark and I think it's interesting for him. And it
<v Speaker 2>was that dark experimental piece that got him the part
<v Speaker 2>of composer for this movie.
<v Speaker 3>I think they even take it up a notch and
<v Speaker 3>Terminator too.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, for sure, you.
<v Speaker 3>Have the you have more strings, you have more power.
<v Speaker 3>But he has that hammer sound, right, yeah, and it's
<v Speaker 3>really prominent. But that hammer was him banging his cast
<v Speaker 3>iron skillet. He's like, people thought it was this big
<v Speaker 3>anvil or some orchestral instrument. He's like, it was my
<v Speaker 3>one that I actually cook in. Bang bang, All right.
<v Speaker 2>So Terminator is finished. They release it. Yes, it does
<v Speaker 2>pretty well on its opening weekend, makes four million dollars,
<v Speaker 2>I believe, which is I mean, that's three quarters of
<v Speaker 2>the budget, so that's not bad. But then o'rian pulls
<v Speaker 2>the marketing budget. James camer and Gale Herd are like,
<v Speaker 2>what the crap? What are we just don't we think
<v Speaker 2>this is a word of mouth kind of movie. They're like, guys,
<v Speaker 2>it's blowing it up in the theater, why would you
<v Speaker 2>do this? And they're they're just like, noll, we just
<v Speaker 2>don't feel like it's worth the money. They're like, it's
<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars for a full page add and variety
<v Speaker 2>of magazine. It will make us millions because you just
<v Speaker 2>do it, and they don't. Yeah, it's insane, And so
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't do as well as it potentially could have, right,
<v Speaker 2>but it still becomes a cult classic. Like the fans
<v Speaker 2>absolutely swarm it. Word of mouth actually works out.
<v Speaker 3>It was number one at the box office for two weeks.
<v Speaker 3>Now keep in mind this is October. Terminator one was
<v Speaker 3>released October twenty sixth of nineteen eighty four, so it's
<v Speaker 3>kind of in that gap before Thanksgiving.
<v Speaker 2>You know, nobody's watching Mary lou Rettin on the Olympics.
<v Speaker 3>But here's the deal. So it was number one for
<v Speaker 3>two weeks. It was knocked out by Oh God, you devil? Wow?
<v Speaker 2>Wow?
<v Speaker 3>How about that? All right? So reception for Terminator two
<v Speaker 3>a little different.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, let's say for Terminator one, it was at
<v Speaker 2>least good enough to get him the director job for
<v Speaker 2>Aliens R.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it was a hit. Oh yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 3>and number one at the box office. That's a hit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And Aliens gets nominated for several Oscars, but Terminator
<v Speaker 2>got nominated for nothing. Right right now, Terminator two gets
<v Speaker 2>released and it gets nominated. It is the only movie
<v Speaker 2>in the twentieth century where the sequel got nominated for
<v Speaker 2>Oscars where the original didn't.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, very interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there have only been a couple more since then.
<v Speaker 2>It was a Born Out, Ultimatum and Mad Max Fairy Road. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>those got nominated, but it's the only one from the
<v Speaker 2>twentieth century that happened with.
<v Speaker 3>Very interesting. This was the highest grossing movie of nineteen
<v Speaker 3>ninety one. It was the first film to break the
<v Speaker 3>US three hundred million dollar mark.
<v Speaker 2>You, I would say it was the pinnacle of his
<v Speaker 2>movie career. I would say that T two was the pinnacle.
<v Speaker 2>He's made a couple of good movies since then, but
<v Speaker 2>they weren't as No, this is the pinnacle, right and
<v Speaker 2>he was the star of the day, like from eighty
<v Speaker 2>two when Conan came out. He is rising star, getting
<v Speaker 2>more and more famous, more and more money, are better
<v Speaker 2>and better pictures, And then T two happens, and then
<v Speaker 2>we get True Lies, which was okay, and some other
<v Speaker 2>stuff that just wasn't that great. Last Action Hero, which.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, Last Action Hero is terrible. True Lies is great.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna defend True Lies. But adjusted for inflation, this
<v Speaker 3>is the highest grossing R rated movie of all time. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>so it was a huge success, right despite its hundred
<v Speaker 3>million dollar budget, it made over five hundred million dollars, massive,
<v Speaker 3>massive hit.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 3>Final Judgment, It's Judgment day, d Okay, where are you?
<v Speaker 2>There is no question in the scenario. There's just no question.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sorry. I did flip flop on Alien Aliens. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>I started off loving Aliens more and then landed on
<v Speaker 2>Alien three. But when you compare Terminator, which is a
<v Speaker 2>great movie on a six million dollar budget, with Terminator two,
<v Speaker 2>which is a great movie on a one hundred million
<v Speaker 2>dollar budget, yes, there can be no comparison. It is
<v Speaker 2>far and away a better movie. It is better acted,
<v Speaker 2>better produced, better soundtrack, storyline is better. I love that
<v Speaker 2>they took the guy that was the villain and made
<v Speaker 2>him the hero. And nobody knew until they walked into
<v Speaker 2>the theater that day. None of the previews gave it
<v Speaker 2>away you walked in. I mean, you think about that,
<v Speaker 2>when you're watching T two and you're seeing everything that's
<v Speaker 2>going on, you would be fooled. You would be thinking,
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, the skinny guy, the little skinny guy
<v Speaker 2>is a cop. He's the cop. He's the good guy.
<v Speaker 2>He's going to help and Arnold, the previous Terminator. He's
<v Speaker 2>about to get him. He's about to get John Connor.
<v Speaker 2>And he does. And wait a minute, he's saving him.
<v Speaker 2>He's not killing him, he's saving him. That is the
<v Speaker 2>plot twist from the first movie than the first thirty
<v Speaker 2>minutes of the second movie. Loved It. T two wins
<v Speaker 2>the day, no question. Spiking the foot, spiking the football.
<v Speaker 3>All right, that's interesting. Here's where I come down. Terminator
<v Speaker 3>like Alien, is one of the most effective horror movies.
<v Speaker 2>Of all time.
<v Speaker 3>You have an unkillable killing machine, a nightmare that is
<v Speaker 3>stalking you. I love the Kyle Reeves character. I love
<v Speaker 3>how you think you've killed it and it resurrects from
<v Speaker 3>the pile and you have that cool stop motion robot
<v Speaker 3>who's coming after you. But like you said, the effects
<v Speaker 3>of T two way better. The acting is more intense,
<v Speaker 3>there's more terminators, there's more guns. Everything about T two
<v Speaker 3>is up a notch. Now does that make it a
<v Speaker 3>better movie? In this case, the answer is yes it does.
<v Speaker 3>T two is better than T one.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I love Termain, I love Terminator two more. Plus you
<v Speaker 3>throw in the guns and roses thing. The coolness factor
<v Speaker 3>was through the roof that summer of ninety one. This
<v Speaker 3>was the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Keep in mind nineteen ninety one that fall that is
<v Speaker 2>when Use Your Illusion one and two comes out.
<v Speaker 3>This was our sneak peek at Use Your Illusion one
<v Speaker 3>and two. I'm spiking the football Terminator two better movie.
<v Speaker 3>Here's what our friends from a Film Buy had to
<v Speaker 3>say about T one and T two. Hey, d Jason,
<v Speaker 3>this is Jeff Johnson and this is Brad Kozo and
<v Speaker 3>we're from a Film By podcast. We were excited to
<v Speaker 3>hear about.
<v Speaker 5>Your Terminator versus Terminator two episode and we wanted a
<v Speaker 5>chance to weigh in. Brad, what do you think?
<v Speaker 6>Two great movies directed by a great director. But when
<v Speaker 6>it comes down to it. One film is a timeless
<v Speaker 6>science fiction raw masterpiece, and the other one is a
<v Speaker 6>really good Hollywood blockbuster. There's just something about that first
<v Speaker 6>film that makes it feel so raw and angry. I'm
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's First Blood, Mad Max, Halloween Escape from
<v Speaker 6>New York like All in one in this Orwellian dystopian nightmare.
<v Speaker 6>Both films are so good, but I gotta go Terminator
<v Speaker 6>the original.
<v Speaker 3>How about you, Jeff Brad.
<v Speaker 5>My cpu has a Neurnet processor. It's a learning computer,
<v Speaker 5>and I have learned over the years that no amount
<v Speaker 5>of CGI, big explosions or guns n' roses can beat
<v Speaker 5>out a great story. It's the love story that's hidden
<v Speaker 5>in all this sci fi and horror and action. That
<v Speaker 5>is the Terminator. At the end of the day, a
<v Speaker 5>soldier went after the girl and he completed his mission.
<v Speaker 5>So I love Terminator two Judgment Day. I've always loved it.
<v Speaker 5>I will still love it. But it's got to be
<v Speaker 5>the Terminator.
<v Speaker 6>Ah, I didn't know if you would go with that one.
<v Speaker 6>Curious to see what d and j Son are gonna say, though.
<v Speaker 5>Well, let's find out. Listen, guys, we appreciate uh. Letting
<v Speaker 5>us chime in and we look forward to hearing what
<v Speaker 5>you say.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's awesome. Guys. Hey, if you haven't checked out
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<v Speaker 3>Before we wrap this up, I've got one more question
<v Speaker 3>for you. Rank Alien Aliens Terminator T two. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 3>this is this is this is final judgment for podcasts. Okay, ready, yep,
<v Speaker 3>Alien Aliens T two, Terminator WHOA really?
<v Speaker 2>All right?
<v Speaker 3>Here's how I'm ranking these four movies. Number one Aliens okay,
<v Speaker 3>Number two Terminator two okay, Number three Terminator right, and
<v Speaker 3>number four Alien Wow? Yeah a distant or distant fourth,
<v Speaker 3>distant fourth.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call up Ridley Scott and telling you.
<v Speaker 3>So many fire up guns and roses, we are out
<v Speaker 3>of here. Terminator one, Terminator two.
<v Speaker 2>H