Green Day's "Dookie" (1994): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Do you have that time to listen to me wine
<v Speaker 1>about nothing or everything?
<v Speaker 2>All I want?
<v Speaker 3>Hey, this is Scott Foster, Jason's college room mate.
<v Speaker 4>And you are listening to Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcasts.
<v Speaker 3>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley you Can't
<v Speaker 3>Be Serious podcast where we are covering live throwing cut.
<v Speaker 3>Oh sorry, just being anted something here? Hold on, wait
<v Speaker 3>a minute, okay, sorry, not we are not covering live.
<v Speaker 3>That was We have to do a retraction from last
<v Speaker 3>week's episode. Apparently we are covering Green day to day,
<v Speaker 3>but we have Jeff Johnson with us. Wait uh no, no, wait, sorry,
<v Speaker 3>that's also incorrect information. Wait a minute, what happened here? Okay?
<v Speaker 4>All right, all right, right, So here's the deal. When
<v Speaker 4>you have guests on, you got to work around their schedule,
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes when you're a not a great planner like myself,
<v Speaker 4>those schedules can get mixed up. And so talk to
<v Speaker 4>Brad Moore. He wasn't able to do it this week,
<v Speaker 4>so I called an audible talked to Jeff Johnson, our
<v Speaker 4>good buddy who's been on many times, and asked him, hey,
<v Speaker 4>do you want to do doochie with us? Green Day.
<v Speaker 4>He's like, hey, yeah, man, let's do it. He's been
<v Speaker 4>listening to the album and I'm like great, And we
<v Speaker 4>talked about the days and here we are and I'm like, hey, Jeff,
<v Speaker 4>you ready to go. He's like, dude, I can't.
<v Speaker 3>Do it today. We're talking about next week.
<v Speaker 4>So that's my fault. That is totally my fault. I
<v Speaker 4>blew it.
<v Speaker 3>But but we're on a deadline at this point. We
<v Speaker 3>heard we are, so we will have to proceed without Jeff.
<v Speaker 3>So this episode will be about two thirds as long
<v Speaker 3>as it would have been.
<v Speaker 4>I guess well, and Jeff's podcaster at the film by
<v Speaker 4>a podcast. He understands how these things are and he
<v Speaker 4>has graciously let me off the hook. Jeff once again,
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. We'll see you again down the road. I'm
<v Speaker 4>sure very soon. But d you and I are back
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen ninety four. This is our second album. As
<v Speaker 4>we go through five weeks of albums of nineteen ninety four,
<v Speaker 4>I guess this is our second one. We're covering Green Day, Duke.
<v Speaker 3>Dukie also pop. Yes, that's her diarrhea.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I had a kid in my neighborhood growing up.
<v Speaker 4>My dog's name was duke, and he used to like
<v Speaker 4>to tease me by calling him Dicky. I didn't like
<v Speaker 4>that at all.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, So speaking of that name, it relates directly
<v Speaker 3>to the album cover. Have you looked at this album cover.
<v Speaker 4>Not in detail?
<v Speaker 3>Okay? So the album cover is a art if you
<v Speaker 3>want to call it. That is an artistic piece by
<v Speaker 3>a guy named Richie Butcher U H. E. R. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>who had done things like this for other bands that
<v Speaker 3>Green Day was familiar with and was kind of a
<v Speaker 3>friend of the band, even played in some bands himself.
<v Speaker 3>But when they told him what the title of the was,
<v Speaker 3>he just went with that. And he always associated dookie
<v Speaker 3>or poop with monkeys and dogs, and so this album
<v Speaker 3>cover is filled with monkeys and dogs dropping dookie bombs
<v Speaker 3>or considering throwing the poop at somebody. And then in
<v Speaker 3>addition to that, it is populated with these various things
<v Speaker 3>like the Lady from the Black Sabbath album, the original
<v Speaker 3>Black Sabbath album, Angus Young of ACDC is on there.
<v Speaker 3>Really the murder of the co founder of the Black
<v Speaker 3>Panther Party, Huey P.
<v Speaker 4>Newton mess up your Black Panther.
<v Speaker 3>If you look at his picture on Wikipedia it's that
<v Speaker 3>guy from Forrest Gump. Really totally that guy. Yes, wow,
<v Speaker 3>the say through tower and then like a bunch of
<v Speaker 3>friends that they had, you know, just a little little drawing.
<v Speaker 3>It's so tiny you can't tell what's going on. Patty
<v Speaker 3>Smith is on there with her unshaved armpits. It's it
<v Speaker 3>is really a creative piece. And the you know, the
<v Speaker 3>record execs were like, hey, these are three pretty good
<v Speaker 3>looking guys. We want their picture to be on it.
<v Speaker 3>And they said, no, that is not us, because we're punk.
<v Speaker 4>Right, they're punk.
<v Speaker 3>These are the guys that brought back punk to the
<v Speaker 3>main stream. We did Billy Idol last year. He was
<v Speaker 3>the guy that kind of brought punk to the mainstream
<v Speaker 3>in the eighties, and these are the guys that brought
<v Speaker 3>it back in the nineties. Last year we talked about
<v Speaker 3>the Nerds coming into the mainstream, and now we have
<v Speaker 3>the Misfits coming back into the main stream.
<v Speaker 4>You know, this is like power punk pop.
<v Speaker 3>That's a lot of peace.
<v Speaker 4>You know, you've got the punk attitude with the Beatles
<v Speaker 4>like Melody. Yeah, it's no wonder why these guys were
<v Speaker 4>so successful. I told you that they've got a case
<v Speaker 4>for being one of the biggest bands of the nineties.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this and this album is typically on any one
<v Speaker 3>hundred list of best albums of the nineties for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Interesting fact, Good Riddance was actually recorded for this album.
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna drop that bomb on you?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was recorded for this album. They just decided to.
<v Speaker 4>Say, would this album have been with that song on him?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that you can have more than what
<v Speaker 3>this album was. This album was as the cover presents
<v Speaker 3>a nuclear bomb.
<v Speaker 4>It was really it really was. Okay, so this is
<v Speaker 4>released February first, nineteen ninety four. I want to just
<v Speaker 4>drop you in ninety four. What happened on February first? Okay,
<v Speaker 4>so this is just you know, a couple of months
<v Speaker 4>after Jack Nicholson attacks a car with the golf club.
<v Speaker 3>You remember that, I do kind of remember.
<v Speaker 4>Remember that he went went crazy On February first, nineteen
<v Speaker 4>ninety four, Jeff Bluley pleads guilty.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we had that why why from last Yeah? Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Tanya Harding's boyfriend pleads guilty to smashing Nancy Kerrigan's kneecap.
<v Speaker 4>In exchange for turning dirt on Tanya Harding.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Also on February first, nineteen ninety four, Harry Styles of
<v Speaker 4>One Direction is born.
<v Speaker 3>It's weird, weird, Yeah, it's old. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So Green Day's Duke. He comes out February first,
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ninety four. Yeah, we're gonna dive into this album.
<v Speaker 3>Now, let's go, man, I'm ready to jump in. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>First song on the album it's called Burnout. Second okay,
<v Speaker 3>this song comes in with a hard punk beat right
<v Speaker 3>out of the gate. That bang.
<v Speaker 4>No, I've got crackling drum, speedy beat, very pop punk.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is angsty, it's speedy. This is all things
<v Speaker 3>punk that you want. And then of course it's about
<v Speaker 3>the character's idea that life just sucks. You know, this
<v Speaker 3>is just kind of boring. Life sucks. The kind of
<v Speaker 3>lyrics which punk punk and more punk.
<v Speaker 4>Right nine apathy, rejecting responsibility, laying around being bored.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So this is what their life was like before
<v Speaker 3>they hit it big, right. They lived in a tiny,
<v Speaker 3>little blue collar you know what. I don't think it
<v Speaker 3>was even fully organized as a town rodeo in Berkeley.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is like three towns. They're all small, not
<v Speaker 4>a lot going on, Like part of it was unincorporated.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it. Yes, an unincorporated town, and Billy and
<v Speaker 3>Mike eventually would meet there. Billy grew up in this town.
<v Speaker 3>I think he moved out there when he was about
<v Speaker 3>three or four years old. He was the youngest of
<v Speaker 3>six kids and was babied by his sisters. His oldest
<v Speaker 3>brother was twenty one years older than him, which means
<v Speaker 3>his mother was closer to his brother's age than he
<v Speaker 3>was to his brother's age. She'd had him at like
<v Speaker 3>eighteen or nineteen years old. Now. She came from Oklahoma,
<v Speaker 3>by the way, moved out during the war to help
<v Speaker 3>with armaments and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 4>I did hear that they had some o Klahoma roots.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's an Oklahoma girl. Moved out to California. And
<v Speaker 3>his dad was a Golden Gloves boxer, like was a
<v Speaker 3>powerhouse of a guy.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And also throw back to the last week's episode with Weezer,
<v Speaker 3>his dad was a drummer, did jazz drumming, and so
<v Speaker 3>cute little baby Billy Joe got all of the attention,
<v Speaker 3>but he also got a lot. Both of the parents
<v Speaker 3>were musical and he got a lot of their abilities
<v Speaker 3>to started singing when he was very young. Actually ended
<v Speaker 3>up pressing an album when he was just a little kid.
<v Speaker 4>It's I told you he's like a prodigy. Like his
<v Speaker 4>voices spot on sounds great, and they're like, how do
<v Speaker 4>you like making a record? I love it?
<v Speaker 3>Five year old Billy Joe Armstrong look for Love is
<v Speaker 3>the name of the song. Yeah, you know, he's like
<v Speaker 3>six years old and singing. And then a few years
<v Speaker 3>later he gets a guitar, starts playing guitar. At eight
<v Speaker 3>years old, he is touring around with his dad, playing
<v Speaker 3>drums like they're tight. And then tragically, just a couple
<v Speaker 3>of years later, when he's ten, his dad realizes he
<v Speaker 3>has cancer, and this mountain of a man withers away
<v Speaker 3>over the next four months and passes away. Had to
<v Speaker 3>be a very tough childhood.
<v Speaker 1>I walk a.
<v Speaker 2>Only road, the only one that I have haven't known.
<v Speaker 4>A sophageal cancer, Yeah, he said. Three months between the
<v Speaker 4>time he was diagnosed to him the time.
<v Speaker 3>He was dead. Yeah. Well, very fortuitously, very interestingly, the
<v Speaker 3>month that his dad passed away, he met a guy
<v Speaker 3>named Mike.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Mike Pritchard was in his fifth grade class at school.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Now, Mike had Mike had been adopted as a
<v Speaker 3>baby he had. His mother was a foster mother got
<v Speaker 3>in a call that they need to place a baby
<v Speaker 3>somewhere just six weeks old, and she ultimately she and
<v Speaker 3>her husband ended up adopting him. She and her husband
<v Speaker 3>split up and an older sister and he went to
<v Speaker 3>live with his dad for a while, but ultimately the
<v Speaker 3>mother and the dad had enough bad interactions that the
<v Speaker 3>mother was able to get full custody and that's when
<v Speaker 3>they went out to California and where Mike met Billy Joe. Yep.
<v Speaker 4>I heard him described as skinny, loud, and obnoxious, and
<v Speaker 4>you might know him more as Mike Durnt, yeah, which
<v Speaker 4>I thought this was hilarious story. The dirt comes from
<v Speaker 4>him screwing around on his bass going like, okay, what
<v Speaker 4>if we did this.
<v Speaker 3>Durnt yep, Durnt Durnt. That's how he got the name Dart.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so they become buddies in fifth grade. Billy
<v Speaker 4>Joe had to wait for him to kind of get
<v Speaker 4>his chops to get up to speed.
<v Speaker 3>By about seventh grade. Yeah, well, they were both playing guitar, right.
<v Speaker 3>They had two guitarists and a drummer, and then they
<v Speaker 3>got a guy to come in and play bass. And
<v Speaker 3>the guy had come and play bass his named Sean,
<v Speaker 3>and then Sean, you know like kids do, had to
<v Speaker 3>go to the dentist or something during practice, and so
<v Speaker 3>they're like, he leaves and they're sitting around and Billy
<v Speaker 3>Joe says to Mike, hey, why don't you try to
<v Speaker 3>play the bass, and he picks it up. They start playing,
<v Speaker 3>and he said, I looked at him, and he looked
<v Speaker 3>at me, and instantly we knew he was the new
<v Speaker 3>bass player.
<v Speaker 4>That's good.
<v Speaker 3>And he was kind of bummed out about it because
<v Speaker 3>he's like, I don't get to play guitar anymore. But
<v Speaker 3>then Billy Joe's brother was like, hey, man, you're not
<v Speaker 3>a rhythm guitarist, you're a lead bass player, and that
<v Speaker 3>was enough to change him.
<v Speaker 4>Well, and the bass features prominently in a particular hit
<v Speaker 4>we're going to talk about here in a few minutes.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the bass on these songs. I mean
<v Speaker 3>number one, This is a three man band. Every single
<v Speaker 3>member is critical, and we know that Billy writes a
<v Speaker 3>lot of the songs, but there is no question that
<v Speaker 3>the bass is a huge part of this. And I
<v Speaker 3>would say Mike is one of the best bass players
<v Speaker 3>that I've heard play from the guys in the nineties.
<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, I mean, I'm putting him up there with Flee.
<v Speaker 3>He's flea guy from Primus, Wow, Mike Dirt.
<v Speaker 4>Okay and You and I talked about this their early
<v Speaker 4>influences Molly Crue, Van Halen, Kiss, Deef Leppard.
<v Speaker 3>Billy Joe said, when he was thirteen years old, his
<v Speaker 3>sister took him to a few concerts. Took him, like
<v Speaker 3>they said that he was born in seventy two, so
<v Speaker 3>this would have been about eighty five. Took him to
<v Speaker 3>see ari Em ten thousand, Maniacs, Okay and the Replacements,
<v Speaker 3>and he was He became a huge Replacements fan, became
<v Speaker 3>a fan of Husker Doo as well. But he said
<v Speaker 3>when he heard these songs, this was an entirely different reaction.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he obviously loved the metal songs, but these
<v Speaker 3>songs that these bands were playing hit him on an
<v Speaker 3>emotional level and that heavily influenced how he would write
<v Speaker 3>his own songs later on.
<v Speaker 4>Okay were ready for the next song on the album.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Let's do It. Song number two is called having
<v Speaker 3>a Blast.
<v Speaker 2>Day.
<v Speaker 3>Well you Zay.
<v Speaker 2>Say nine say.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this was a little rough, okay in this
<v Speaker 3>day and age. Now this says talking all you down
<v Speaker 3>with me, explosive duct tape to my spine. Nothing's gonna
<v Speaker 3>change my mind. I won't listen to anyone's last words.
<v Speaker 3>There's nothing left for you to say. Soon you'll be
<v Speaker 3>dead anyway, So plea shot and you shot South five and.
<v Speaker 2>Bad.
<v Speaker 3>No one is getting out of here alive. This played
<v Speaker 3>okay in nineteen ninety four. It wasn't a big deal
<v Speaker 3>because it would be another five years before Columbine happened.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. And now it's the most uncomfortable so on the.
<v Speaker 4>No doubt about it. The song was written in Cleveland
<v Speaker 4>in June of ninety two, and it was way before
<v Speaker 4>that homicidal epidemic that we went through in the nineties.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>We even had a guy though, you came to a
<v Speaker 4>football game and blew himself up.
<v Speaker 3>I was there for that game. Yeah. Yeah, we thought
<v Speaker 3>the cannons had gone off at the wrong time, that's right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So once Billy, Joel and Mike discovered punk, that really
<v Speaker 4>lit the fuse.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they had they had really gelled as a band.
<v Speaker 3>I've seen him in you know, the old high school
<v Speaker 3>talent shows, and they were still playing very much rock
<v Speaker 3>and roll kind of music, but punk was a new
<v Speaker 3>way to think about things. And this was interesting because
<v Speaker 3>we talked about how rock and roll and heavy metal
<v Speaker 3>was the thing of LA. Right Sunset Strip. You got
<v Speaker 3>guns n' Roses, You've got Motley Crue, you got all
<v Speaker 3>of those.
<v Speaker 4>Guys, stock and all those guys.
<v Speaker 3>All those guys down in LA. But they're up near
<v Speaker 3>the Bay Area, and San Francisco was where you had
<v Speaker 3>the punk scene. And by the nineties, the punk scene
<v Speaker 3>had build over into those kind of blue collar suburbs
<v Speaker 3>of the Bay Area what they call the East Bay,
<v Speaker 3>and there was this contingent of kids who would go
<v Speaker 3>to these clubs and listen to and play punk music.
<v Speaker 3>And he said when he fell in with them, it
<v Speaker 3>was like he met his people, right, like these were
<v Speaker 3>the people that he just gelled with, and so that
<v Speaker 3>really became their form of music. But that club, which
<v Speaker 3>was nine to twenty four Gilman Street, they called it
<v Speaker 3>Gilman Club. They wouldn't let them play when they first
<v Speaker 3>started because their music was too melodic, like it was
<v Speaker 3>to pop even at the beginning. Wow, But eventually they
<v Speaker 3>changed their drummer.
<v Speaker 4>So I heard Billy Joe Armstrong talking about initially when
<v Speaker 4>they first started out, he thought his brother was going
<v Speaker 4>to be the drummer for the band, right, And they thought, Hey,
<v Speaker 4>we're going to be like this Van Halen thing. Right,
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna play guitar, you're gonna play drums, and we're
<v Speaker 4>gonna go be Van Halen. Yeah, but that didn't work out,
<v Speaker 4>and so.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they ultimately they picked a guy up who had
<v Speaker 3>been playing with another band. His name was John Kiffmeyer.
<v Speaker 3>But that guy had played plenty of times over at
<v Speaker 3>the Gilman, and so with him drumming for their band,
<v Speaker 3>number one, they were better because he was a more
<v Speaker 3>experienced drummer. But number two, he gave them the street
<v Speaker 3>cred to get in. Now here's the problem. They go
<v Speaker 3>on with him, they record a couple of EPs and
<v Speaker 3>then he's like, guys, I think I'm gonna go study.
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm gonna go to school.
<v Speaker 4>It's college time for me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They're like, but you're our drummer. We were a
<v Speaker 3>three man band. We don't have an extra drummer.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we are not sticks, right, So at this point
<v Speaker 4>they're sweet children. That's the name of the band, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>which it was in the name of one of their songs.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, at that time the band was called Sweet Children.
<v Speaker 4>You talked about the EPs that they released, right, They
<v Speaker 4>released an EP in nineteen eighty eight. YEP, they released
<v Speaker 4>one in nineteen ninety. These guys are born in nineteen
<v Speaker 4>seventy two. They're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old at this time.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and in fact.
<v Speaker 4>Before they could go on tour, they waited for Mike
<v Speaker 4>to graduate from high school. Billy Joe dropped out. He's
<v Speaker 4>I know what I'm doing, right, and so they're class
<v Speaker 4>of ninety guys. But as soon like the day after
<v Speaker 4>Mike Durt graduated from high school, they.
<v Speaker 3>Were on tour, off and touring. Yeah, so they've lost
<v Speaker 3>their drummer. Now. Interesting, these two EPs that they've done,
<v Speaker 3>they've done with an independent record label. That record label
<v Speaker 3>is called Lookout Records. Right. The guy who started Lookout
<v Speaker 3>Records was a guy who's also playing punk and his
<v Speaker 3>band was called Lookout that's right. Now, he's an older guy.
<v Speaker 3>He was born in like forty nine or something like that,
<v Speaker 3>so he was like my dad's age. You know, these
<v Speaker 3>guys are close to my age. This guy was close
<v Speaker 3>to my dad's age. Yeah, but he's got this record
<v Speaker 3>label and he's got this band. He had gotten started
<v Speaker 3>in music and wanted to do a record label and
<v Speaker 3>wanted to have a band. But he loved punk. This
<v Speaker 3>baby boomer loved punk. And so the community that he
<v Speaker 3>was in in near Berkeley, California, was a bunch of
<v Speaker 3>old hippies who are all into their own you know,
<v Speaker 3>Jefferson Airplane and Jimmy Hendrick's kind of music. And so
<v Speaker 3>he hits up this kind of wild kid son of
<v Speaker 3>his neighbors who just going nuts, and he's like, man,
<v Speaker 3>maybe this kid will you know, he's not got his
<v Speaker 3>influences of music yet maybe I can hit him up. Kid,
<v Speaker 3>try these drums out.
<v Speaker 4>That's right. His name is Frank Right, otherwise known as.
<v Speaker 3>Trey Cool Tray Cool, which I mean we've learned from
<v Speaker 3>the sex Pistols that you get a cool name when
<v Speaker 3>you become a punk rocker. You are allowed to change
<v Speaker 3>your name and it can be something very cool, and
<v Speaker 3>it can be Trey Cool if you will.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right. I did see that. He's Frank Right,
<v Speaker 4>the third, so he was actually they called him Trey yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I did think it was funny. So they just recruited
<v Speaker 4>him to be a drummer. He didn't even didn't know
<v Speaker 4>how to play drums. Twelve years old, Hey, come play drums.
<v Speaker 3>For us, twelve that's crazy. So Trey Cool had been
<v Speaker 3>playing with Lookout, this band for some time. Now Green
<v Speaker 3>Day has lost their drummer. Look Out obviously is having
<v Speaker 3>some success with these albums. And so Larry Liverpool, the
<v Speaker 3>guy who is the old guy, he rides the band
<v Speaker 3>and the record Larry Liverpool, Larry Liverpool, He's his name's
<v Speaker 3>Larry Hayes. Larry Liverpool was his punk name based upon
<v Speaker 3>a nuclear power plant I believe in the California area.
<v Speaker 3>And he says, well, maybe Trey can play for you guys,
<v Speaker 3>And man, when that magic happened, the Trinity was formed.
<v Speaker 3>That's it.
<v Speaker 4>You know you mentioned the name Green Day. They actually
<v Speaker 4>changed their name from Sweet Children to Green Day like
<v Speaker 4>a couple of days before their EP was released.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Larry had seen them playing live and he
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh my gosh, you guys are fantastic. Do
<v Speaker 3>you want to make an album? And they were like yeah, sure,
<v Speaker 3>oko I guess and they walk in and They're like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>we're changing our name, and he's like, what, No, everybody
<v Speaker 3>knows you as sweet Child. Why would you change your name. Well,
<v Speaker 3>they there was another band in the area called Sweet Baby,
<v Speaker 3>and they didn't want to get confused with that band,
<v Speaker 3>and so they decided, Hey, you know, we spend many
<v Speaker 3>of our days in the green if you will.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you and I were talking about that. I was like, what, Look,
<v Speaker 4>what the heck does that mean?
<v Speaker 1>You had to.
<v Speaker 4>Explain it to me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jason, the Baptist member of the podcast, did not
<v Speaker 3>know what a green day was, and so yeah, that
<v Speaker 3>green day comes from the idea of a day where
<v Speaker 3>you just sit around and doing nothing but smoking marijuana.
<v Speaker 3>So they become green Day. They have Trey Cool. I
<v Speaker 3>think we are now ready to hear song number three chump.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, before we go any further DP, there are fifteen
<v Speaker 4>songs on this album. It adds up to thirty eight minutes.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is You're You're lucky if you get a
<v Speaker 3>song over three minutes on the top.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, they're so quick.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they are. But that's a punk signature move it is.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, this one, I mean short to the point.
<v Speaker 3>This one is Nope, not quite three minutes, Nope, you
<v Speaker 3>and something that's right. But this one, I love how
<v Speaker 3>it starts off. I don't know you, but I think
<v Speaker 3>I hate you. This is a great This is a
<v Speaker 3>great little place that we probably of all have been
<v Speaker 3>where you see somebody and you're like, I just I
<v Speaker 3>don't know what that is about that guy's face, but
<v Speaker 3>I just want to punch it. And then of course
<v Speaker 3>he this guy kind of realizes the error of his
<v Speaker 3>ways by the end of the song and he's like,
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's me. Maybe I'm just jealous.
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I'm the chump.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm the chump. Yeah, this is the first song
<v Speaker 3>that he mentions Amanda, and I know.
<v Speaker 4>Amanda is the former girlfriend who ran off, broke up
<v Speaker 4>with him, joined the Peace Corps, moved away right before
<v Speaker 4>Dookie took off.
<v Speaker 3>How to go on the Peace Corps? Amanda, how's that case?
<v Speaker 4>I'm Hilaria clearly enjoy Ecuador.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 4>Billy Joe Armstrong recorded like sixteen or seventeen songs. The
<v Speaker 4>vocals took two days. Most of the songs he took
<v Speaker 4>one take. Yeah, he just jumped in, fired it out there.
<v Speaker 4>You know, we talk many times about the ten thousand Hours.
<v Speaker 4>This is a guy who's been singing since he was
<v Speaker 4>four years old. So yeah, he was a very young man,
<v Speaker 4>like twenty one when they recorded this album, but that
<v Speaker 4>means he'd been singing for seventeen years. That's pretty you
<v Speaker 4>got you got you ten thousand hours in a couple
<v Speaker 4>times over on that's right, and he was obsessed with it,
<v Speaker 4>so yeah, he's a guy could do it. You know.
<v Speaker 4>This song was one they had to re record because
<v Speaker 4>they had this tape hisss that they could not get
<v Speaker 4>rid of.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this is kind of an interesting thing about
<v Speaker 3>the Gilman Club. This was you know, there was a
<v Speaker 3>very strict criteria obviously because they couldn't get in initially
<v Speaker 3>because they were too melodic and their music right. But
<v Speaker 3>it also went the other way that if you became
<v Speaker 3>too successful, then you weren't punk enough anymore, and ultimately
<v Speaker 3>that you would get banned from the club for being sellout,
<v Speaker 3>which is absolutely what came with this album. But part
<v Speaker 3>of that was this idea that do we want to
<v Speaker 3>have a tape hisss on our record? No, we want
<v Speaker 3>our record to sound good. We wanted to sound full.
<v Speaker 3>They had recorded these other two EPs in a day
<v Speaker 3>or two. This one they got to sit in and
<v Speaker 3>kind of soak in it and spend some time experimenting
<v Speaker 3>with tones and sounds. And I mean, I gotta say,
<v Speaker 3>most of the guitar in each of these songs sounds
<v Speaker 3>pretty much the same, like it's that same tone. Sure,
<v Speaker 3>but they found that magic tone that they wanted by
<v Speaker 3>having an opportunity to spend time in a professional recording studio.
<v Speaker 4>All right, So before we go any further, in nineteen
<v Speaker 4>ninety two, they released an album called KerPlunk.
<v Speaker 3>The theme here.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but that's when they really started to take off.
<v Speaker 4>They got some traction. They sold out the first ten
<v Speaker 4>thousand copies of that album. And you we talked about
<v Speaker 4>how you're too successful in the punk scene. You're rejected
<v Speaker 4>because you're a sellout. But once that album had come
<v Speaker 4>out and been a success, the big record company started
<v Speaker 4>come calling, and so they ended up signing with Reprise Records.
<v Speaker 3>Which was an arm of Warner bro Brothers.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, did you read that story about the executive who
<v Speaker 4>wanted them to come to his office and meet with them.
<v Speaker 4>So this record exec name Weiss, wanted them to come
<v Speaker 4>to Warner Brothers and let's talk about the marketing for
<v Speaker 4>this album. And he knew they were a punk band
<v Speaker 4>and he expected them to be like, you know, Johnny
<v Speaker 4>Rotten and said vicious. These a hole you know, right,
<v Speaker 4>you guys right right, punch you in the face type
<v Speaker 4>of guys. And when he got there, he was like,
<v Speaker 4>these guys are just kids. They're intimidated. They really don't
<v Speaker 4>even want to be here, like they're scared of this
<v Speaker 4>meeting with me. But he found them to be kind
<v Speaker 4>of sweet guys, you know, and sat down he talked
<v Speaker 4>about He's like, Okay, for Dookie, I think our goal
<v Speaker 4>should be two hundred thousand records sold. Well they far
<v Speaker 4>outshot that, Yeah, ten million copies sold.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And when they had been with Lookout, they had
<v Speaker 3>had they were Lookout's biggest success because they sold ten thousand, right,
<v Speaker 3>they sold ten thousand. Like the first day was pressed.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was like the Lookout was having trouble
<v Speaker 3>keeping up with the demand for the record and they're
<v Speaker 3>literally I mean, this is a tiny little record company
<v Speaker 3>and these guys are just touring around. But it's it's
<v Speaker 3>incredible the word of mouth, Billy Joe comes home. At
<v Speaker 3>one point he was like I couldn't believe it. We
<v Speaker 3>were in Ohio and people were singing the words that
<v Speaker 3>I wrote. That's incredible.
<v Speaker 4>Well, let's get to the first single on the album. First,
<v Speaker 4>really big Sama here.
<v Speaker 3>I mean I not having had this album, I just
<v Speaker 3>got to say. These first three songs were the scrolling
<v Speaker 3>prologue to the album. Right and now is when we
<v Speaker 3>get the Star Destroyer looming over as it comes down
<v Speaker 3>crashing in. This is song number four, longview around.
<v Speaker 4>And watch the tube but nothing.
<v Speaker 5>James jan now zoo.
<v Speaker 3>For a bit.
<v Speaker 5>The same moment ins.
<v Speaker 3>And well this one comes in at whopping three minutes
<v Speaker 3>and fifty two seconds. No wonder they call that long view.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so this was not a single. Okay, this is
<v Speaker 4>the same thing we talked about last week with Weezer,
<v Speaker 4>and we're going to talk about it again with Live.
<v Speaker 4>They didn't actually release physical singles because they wanted to
<v Speaker 4>drive album sales.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well they had the benefit of MTV, and with MTV,
<v Speaker 3>if you had a video, it was better than a single.
<v Speaker 3>That's right to get people interested in your band. And
<v Speaker 3>I'll read this lyric to you see you tell me
<v Speaker 3>what you think is going on here? Bite my lip?
<v Speaker 3>And close my eyes, take me away to paradise. I'm
<v Speaker 3>so damn board, I'm going blind. Do you think he's
<v Speaker 3>doing Does the term spanking the monkey mean anything to you? Well,
<v Speaker 3>could be.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it is.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>All of these songs are about laying around doing nothing
<v Speaker 4>but spanking the monkey and drugs.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, yep. Which what is great is that when
<v Speaker 3>they made this video, they did it in the house
<v Speaker 3>that they used to hang out and play together. And
<v Speaker 3>it's like, literally, this is what I used to do
<v Speaker 3>in this chair in this video that I'm about to destroy.
<v Speaker 4>This is the same thing the Weezer did. We talked
<v Speaker 4>about that last week. Yeah, And at the end of
<v Speaker 4>this video he takes a knife and he's like gutting
<v Speaker 4>that couch and there's feathers flying everywhere and the music's crashing.
<v Speaker 4>First of all, this is a killer hit, right, This
<v Speaker 4>speech number one in the Modern rock charts. It's just
<v Speaker 4>such a great pop punk song.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.
<v Speaker 3>I love how on this song that you have this
<v Speaker 3>blended transition from the last song as the drums come in, right,
<v Speaker 3>because the drums on this one are so to start
<v Speaker 3>off with, are not punk. You've got the Tom's coming
<v Speaker 3>in groove. It is a very groovy mix. And I've
<v Speaker 3>I've listened to Trey Cool talk. You know, I've seen
<v Speaker 3>drummers like, who is your most influential guy? Trey Cool said,
<v Speaker 3>ringo star, which you just don't hear that too often.
<v Speaker 3>But then the next question is obviously, well why, and
<v Speaker 3>he said, well, because he didn't try to stand out
<v Speaker 3>and be some sort of rock star drummer. He played
<v Speaker 3>the drums that fit the song. And that's what I've
<v Speaker 3>tried to do with all of our songs, is I
<v Speaker 3>try to make the drums accentuate what the song is not. Hey,
<v Speaker 3>look at me, I'm playing some incredibly drums, right and
<v Speaker 3>he I mean, he nails it on this one. This
<v Speaker 3>is great. I love this the drum beat on this one. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Bassist Mike Dirnt said that he wrote the signature baseline
<v Speaker 4>while high on LSD.
<v Speaker 3>So they've got this song, they've got it written right,
<v Speaker 3>and there's there's more than just these guys in the house, right,
<v Speaker 3>They've got friends over or whatever. Right, But Billy Joe
<v Speaker 3>is like, we can't you know, I can't. Mike is saying,
<v Speaker 3>I can't figure out the baseline. Billy's like, I don't
<v Speaker 3>know what it is. They're not they're not figuring it out.
<v Speaker 3>So Billy goes and watches a movie, goes to the movies,
<v Speaker 3>goes and watch the movie, and he comes back and
<v Speaker 3>everyone in the house is tripping balls on LSD and
<v Speaker 3>he's and he says, Mike is just sitting in the floor,
<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of out of it, zen like, and
<v Speaker 3>he's like, oh, I got the base line. You got
<v Speaker 3>the baseline. He's like, oh man, okay, let's hear it.
<v Speaker 3>He says, he plays it, and he's like, oh, that's it.
<v Speaker 3>And then he spends the rest of the night worried
<v Speaker 3>that he's gonna forget it because of the drugs. But
<v Speaker 3>God bless him. Next day he got up and he
<v Speaker 3>remembered it completely. So that's how we get this awesome,
<v Speaker 3>awesome baseline. Probably made millions of dollars from that LSD hit.
<v Speaker 3>Right there, well, him and the Beatles. I mean, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know what to say.
<v Speaker 4>That's it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this song is don't do drugs kits.
<v Speaker 4>That's right. This song named after Longview, Washington. Okay, I
<v Speaker 4>don't know what happened there, but there you go. This
<v Speaker 4>video was nominated for three MTV Music Awards Best Group Video,
<v Speaker 4>Best Alternative Video, and Best New Artist. These guys literally
<v Speaker 4>became a success pretty I mean a mainstream success overnight. Okay,
<v Speaker 4>so this was the first big hit from this album. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>this broke them right definitely. So they leave two weeks
<v Speaker 4>after the release of Doochie. They go on tour, using
<v Speaker 4>Trey Coole's dad's bookmobile as their tour bus.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 4>They started so low on the totem pole and they're
<v Speaker 4>touring round. Okay, we'll play this keger, you know, for
<v Speaker 4>a couple of beers and twenty bucks whatever.
<v Speaker 3>They just wanted to play.
<v Speaker 4>They're playing anywhere and everywhere. Meanwhile, MTV starts to play
<v Speaker 4>the crap out.
<v Speaker 3>Of their video, right right.
<v Speaker 4>I was interesting, Trey Coole's dad said. I watched these
<v Speaker 4>guys write the song. They practiced it in my living room.
<v Speaker 4>I thought, hey, that's pretty cool. I mean, they're having fun,
<v Speaker 4>they're doing stuff because it's one thing for people to
<v Speaker 4>really like their songs, which I was kind of blown
<v Speaker 4>away about, and then for them to buy it. He goes,
<v Speaker 4>I just couldn't believe that the songs that they were
<v Speaker 4>playing in my living room became this worldwide phenomenon. He's like,
<v Speaker 4>I still don't know how all this happened. It's pretty
<v Speaker 4>incredible story.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, time to move on to another fantastic song.
<v Speaker 3>This one is a remake of a song that appeared
<v Speaker 3>on their Cerplunk album. This song is called Welcome to Paradise. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So have you ever heard the song Hello Mata, Hello Fada? Yeah? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>this is the nineties version of that song. Okay. So
<v Speaker 3>when they moved out of their parents homes, right, it
<v Speaker 3>wasn't just a cheap house that they lived in. It
<v Speaker 3>was an abandoned house. Like they weren't paying rent. They
<v Speaker 3>were squatting. So when I say there were other people
<v Speaker 3>at the house, there were probably some drug addle bums
<v Speaker 3>and other stuff. You couldn't go out at night. You
<v Speaker 3>could go play some street basketball during the day, but
<v Speaker 3>you don't. It was a dangerous part of town that
<v Speaker 3>these guys were living.
<v Speaker 4>It was an abandoned house.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the first part of the song, he's writing
<v Speaker 3>to his mother telling her, you know how awful it
<v Speaker 3>is there, and then six months later he's writing to
<v Speaker 3>her at the end of the song saying, what a
<v Speaker 3>great place this is? I know, right, paradise tongue in
<v Speaker 3>cheek becomes actual paradise.
<v Speaker 2>Welcome Tampa.
<v Speaker 4>This was the third song released to radio. We talked
<v Speaker 4>about how there weren't physical singles in the US.
<v Speaker 3>Right, UK had some physical singles, but right, not in
<v Speaker 3>the US. Right.
<v Speaker 4>They released this to radio October seventeenth and ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>This was originally recorded on KerPlunk, which you just mentioned.
<v Speaker 4>KerPlunk was Green Day's second album. They re recorded it
<v Speaker 4>and re released it in ninety four. This is a
<v Speaker 4>fun song.
<v Speaker 3>I love it, oh yeah. And they, you know, talk
<v Speaker 3>about a melodic chorus on this one. You know the
<v Speaker 3>verse on this one, you know it pushes through and
<v Speaker 3>it's rhythmic. But when you get to the chorus on
<v Speaker 3>this song, it is an absolute hook. I love it.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 4>We talked about how it's it's speed drums, it's it's
<v Speaker 4>power chords, it's fast paced, but the melodies are what
<v Speaker 4>makes the songs absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>This video has Matt Bernalini Olpen in it and he
<v Speaker 3>gets kicked in the face in this video. Okay, if
<v Speaker 3>you don't know who this is, he is a founding
<v Speaker 3>member of the punk band Link eighty and and he
<v Speaker 3>is a co creator of some film making productions, including Chad,
<v Speaker 3>Matt and Rob and Radio Silence, but he is best
<v Speaker 3>known for working in horror films, including VHS Southbound, Ready
<v Speaker 3>or Not, Scream, Scream six, and abag Nail. So he's
<v Speaker 3>been around and he gets to get kicked in the
<v Speaker 3>face in a Green Day video.
<v Speaker 4>Oh well, good for him.
<v Speaker 3>He said that the papers like in the in the video,
<v Speaker 3>it's a live performance and there's like fires on stage.
<v Speaker 3>He said, all of those papers were like newspaper articles
<v Speaker 3>that were talking about Green Day, and so they decided
<v Speaker 3>to just spread them.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, We're ready for the next one.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>The next song on the album is called plain Teeth.
<v Speaker 3>So this is a what was the name of the
<v Speaker 3>movie where Tom Hanks directed, where it was like the
<v Speaker 3>band that thing you do, That thing you Do. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>this has that kind of poppy little beat, happy little
<v Speaker 3>melody and just happens to be about a guy getting
<v Speaker 3>the crap beat out of him by his girlfriend.
<v Speaker 5>Right.
<v Speaker 4>I totally agree with you. It feels very like like
<v Speaker 4>Scooby Doo.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Archie's archiees.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, just strumming the guitar. It's not speedy
<v Speaker 4>punk rock or anything like that. They were very influenced
<v Speaker 4>by the Beatles.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>In fact, Trey Coole said that Please Please Me was
<v Speaker 4>the album that this is kind of modeled after. Right,
<v Speaker 4>All the songs are short, they get right to the point,
<v Speaker 4>just like the Beatles Please Please Me. There you go
<v Speaker 4>check out our buddies Deaf Dave and Jackson Wright at
<v Speaker 4>the Apples and Oranges podcast.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know you said.
<v Speaker 4>It's about a guy getting the crap beat out of
<v Speaker 4>him by his girlfriend. This was inspired by a pillow
<v Speaker 4>fight that Mike Dirt had with his girlfriend.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's right, like broke his arm or something like that.
<v Speaker 4>That's it.
<v Speaker 3>Well, hey, it happens not a laughing matter for the victim.
<v Speaker 4>Here, I'm gonna give a quick shout out to my
<v Speaker 4>college buddy and current Patreon member of Cameron Neckert. In college,
<v Speaker 4>he got his nose destroyed in a pillow fight and
<v Speaker 4>he got a fist right across the nose. So it
<v Speaker 4>can't happen.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fell those are dangerous things. Boys and girls. Be careful.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, I want to talk about something real quick. One
<v Speaker 4>of the places that they played while Doukie is on
<v Speaker 4>its ascension, they played Woodstock ninety four. Yeah, and when
<v Speaker 4>they got on stage, it had been raining and wet
<v Speaker 4>and muddy, and they were not really welcomed by the crowd,
<v Speaker 4>and so they started mud slinging at them.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and these are punk guys.
<v Speaker 4>They're ready for that, so they're throwing it back at him.
<v Speaker 4>And then the people encouraged them more, and so there's
<v Speaker 4>just like this mud fight between Green Day and the fans.
<v Speaker 3>At some point, Billy Joe picks up one of the
<v Speaker 3>pieces and puts the mud in his mouth, puts it
<v Speaker 3>in his mouth. After that, all hell breaks loose.
<v Speaker 4>People start climbing on stage. A security card full on
<v Speaker 4>football tackles Mike Dirnt because thinking he had climbed on
<v Speaker 4>the stage. You can see it like on the video.
<v Speaker 4>He decks him like a linebacker.
<v Speaker 3>He knocked out his front teeth. On the monitor, he
<v Speaker 3>knocked out his front teeth. Now, they described this this
<v Speaker 3>whole experience, and it's like a it's like a scene
<v Speaker 3>out of Platoon, Like they come in in a helicopter
<v Speaker 3>they see this. I mean, if you haven't heard about
<v Speaker 3>the the Woodstock Reunion concert, it's infamous, right, there's a
<v Speaker 3>great documentary on it out there. But anyway, they they
<v Speaker 3>come in in this helicopter and it's just this nasty kept,
<v Speaker 3>poorly run mess of all of these stupid gen X
<v Speaker 3>guys like me doing wrong things. They lay in, they
<v Speaker 3>start putting on a show and war breaks out and
<v Speaker 3>they literally have to run off of the stage, jump
<v Speaker 3>in the helicopter and get away before they're killed.
<v Speaker 4>What's dog ninety four back in the day? All right, Okay,
<v Speaker 4>let's go to another one of the biggest and heaviest
<v Speaker 4>hitters on the album. Next song on the album is
<v Speaker 4>called Basketcase.
<v Speaker 5>Do you have that time to listen to me whine
<v Speaker 5>about nothing and everything?
<v Speaker 2>Alowe?
<v Speaker 5>Once, I am one of those mala dramatic bulls, rode
<v Speaker 5>into the bone out down about it.
<v Speaker 3>So I love how this one starts off differently. You
<v Speaker 3>can tell this the same guitar, but he's got it muted.
<v Speaker 3>He's got his palm on the strings and he's this
<v Speaker 3>is just him and the guitar with these muted strings.
<v Speaker 3>And then you can hear these little plinks and pops
<v Speaker 3>of Trey just putting the little little accent marks of
<v Speaker 3>foreshadowing on what's to come. For the first thirty seconds
<v Speaker 3>of the song, right, and then in full punk passion,
<v Speaker 3>they come crashing it.
<v Speaker 4>It explodes, right, Yeah, explodes with energy. This was the
<v Speaker 4>second single, released August first, nineteen ninety four. It was
<v Speaker 4>number one on the US Hot Alternative for five straight weeks,
<v Speaker 4>got a Grammy nomination for the Best Rock Vocal Performance.
<v Speaker 4>Over one billion streams on Spotify. This is a gangbuster song.
<v Speaker 2>Myself, since I six on.
<v Speaker 3>To me, this is the defining song of Green Day,
<v Speaker 3>Like I love good Riddance. I love it a lot.
<v Speaker 3>That was the first green Day album that I bought
<v Speaker 3>was Nimrod. But Good Riddance is a departure from what
<v Speaker 3>Green Day is. This song to me, he defines the
<v Speaker 3>band and their staying power.
<v Speaker 4>I can't really argue with that, except for when I
<v Speaker 4>Come Around is massive and Good Renance is off the
<v Speaker 4>chart humongous.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, this song was written by Billy Joe
<v Speaker 4>Armstrong in Glasgow, Scotland while he was on Crystal meth.
<v Speaker 3>Don't do Drugs Kids, written.
<v Speaker 4>About his struggle with anxiety and panic disorder.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so this video, Yes, they wheel tray up to
<v Speaker 3>his drums, right yeah, kind of based on one flew
<v Speaker 3>over Kouka's nest very much that vibe.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we talked about Jack Nicholson as a matter of
<v Speaker 4>fact earlier in the episode, losing his cool just a
<v Speaker 4>little bit there.
<v Speaker 3>It was not Trey cool.
<v Speaker 4>That's it, all right, and we've done. I mean, I
<v Speaker 4>hate to be done with this banger.
<v Speaker 3>It's an incredible song, but we gotta keep yelling.
<v Speaker 4>Hit stop on your tape player, kick it out, flip
<v Speaker 4>it over for side two. First song on side two
<v Speaker 4>is a song called She.
<v Speaker 3>This is another incredible song.
<v Speaker 4>It's a banger.
<v Speaker 3>It starts off so simply like the beat, the chord progression,
<v Speaker 3>the bass line just very straightforward. And then just before
<v Speaker 3>they really come in, you hear Mike really twisted up
<v Speaker 3>a little bit on his bassline. He really is the
<v Speaker 3>lead bass player in this band. It's great what they
<v Speaker 3>transitioned to from the simple into the complicated. And then
<v Speaker 3>with the chorus, you just have this awesome hook of
<v Speaker 3>a melody.
<v Speaker 4>I love it melody on top of drums and power chords. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>this song is another song written about Amanda, the girl
<v Speaker 4>who dumped him and moved away in the Peace Corps,
<v Speaker 4>moved to Ecuador.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, She She She She was the name of a poem,
<v Speaker 3>a feminist poem that Amanda had given him, and so
<v Speaker 3>after he got it, he wrote another poem called she
<v Speaker 3>for Her or Amanda, And then Amanda moved away and
<v Speaker 3>he was like, maybe I'll use this poem as a song.
<v Speaker 4>Yep, he gave her his heart and she gave him
<v Speaker 4>a pen.
<v Speaker 3>He did not just quote George Michael Christmas song did
<v Speaker 3>You No?
<v Speaker 4>I does quoting say anything?
<v Speaker 3>But you haven't seen that, okay.
<v Speaker 4>I love the song.
<v Speaker 3>So it's very Beatles Esque in its melody, but unlike
<v Speaker 3>basket Case, where you start off with just Billy Joe
<v Speaker 3>and the guitar, this one you don't even get the
<v Speaker 3>guitar until it's thirty seconds in. They are taking a
<v Speaker 3>very punk approach with same sounding guitar, same sounding bassed
<v Speaker 3>definite punk drums, but they're they're mixing and twisting and
<v Speaker 3>doing fancy stuff to make each of these songs unique.
<v Speaker 3>They all have the same feel, they all have the
<v Speaker 3>same vibe and tone about them, but they're all unique songs.
<v Speaker 3>Really well done. Love it. So we should mention that
<v Speaker 3>the producer on this one is Rob Cavallo. He's the
<v Speaker 3>guy from Warner Brothers who said I want to sign
<v Speaker 3>these guys. Okay, And obviously you mentioned that they had
<v Speaker 3>been courted by several other people. He's an A and
<v Speaker 3>R guy with Reprise, and they said, unlike everybody else
<v Speaker 3>who talked to us, he talked to us and he's like,
<v Speaker 3>we'll play some songs for me. And they did, you know,
<v Speaker 3>some Beatles covers or whatever, and he's like, oh, well, here,
<v Speaker 3>let me play something. He started playing with them, and
<v Speaker 3>they're like, oh, this guy is like one of us.
<v Speaker 3>And that's why they signed with him. And that not
<v Speaker 3>only does he sign them as their A and R guy,
<v Speaker 3>he produces their first album and several other albums after that.
<v Speaker 4>You know, that's incredible, what a great story of that is.
<v Speaker 4>But you know, we talked about how their goal initially
<v Speaker 4>was two hundred thousand albums sold for this one. At
<v Speaker 4>one point this album was selling four hundred thousand copies
<v Speaker 4>a week.
<v Speaker 3>Crazy, it's crazy.
<v Speaker 4>Massive success. Okay, let's move on to the next song
<v Speaker 4>on the album. It's called sassafrass Roots.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you know about this girl named
<v Speaker 4>Amanda Broke Billie Joe Armstrong's heart.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's come up a few times.
<v Speaker 4>Now, this is the third song we've talked about how
<v Speaker 4>she is mentioned, and right before Doukie took off, she
<v Speaker 4>dumped him, movedway to Ecuador and joined the Peace Corps.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this one sounds a little bit more like their
<v Speaker 3>first couple of albums. This is not as polished, I
<v Speaker 3>guess as the other ones are. Okay, but it's okay.
<v Speaker 3>It's not my favorite on the album, honestly, but it's
<v Speaker 3>it's fine. It's fine. It's not a skipper, but it
<v Speaker 3>is kind of a filler.
<v Speaker 4>Well, let's move on to another big, big, big hitter.
<v Speaker 3>Youre goal Ladies and Gentlemen, tenth track on the album. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>we have five more after ten, but here it is
<v Speaker 3>when I come around. So Jason, did poor Billy Joe
<v Speaker 3>ever get over the heartbreak of Amanda. He did.
<v Speaker 4>He actually met a girl named Adrian Nesser who became
<v Speaker 4>his girlfriend and is now his wife. They've been married
<v Speaker 4>for over thirty years.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So he meets her back when they're on their
<v Speaker 3>current plunk tour, right, Yeah, and she has a boyfriend
<v Speaker 3>at the time, but fireworks weren't allowed in their unincorporated town,
<v Speaker 3>so when they would go outside of California, they would
<v Speaker 3>be able to be like, oh hey, we can buy fireworks,
<v Speaker 3>and so their concerts sometimes would turn into a fireworks show,
<v Speaker 3>which really means they were shooting bottle rockets to people.
<v Speaker 3>And so he saw her and shot a bottle rocket
<v Speaker 3>at her and her boyfriend. But it was all just fun.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you had any you know, Roman
<v Speaker 3>candle bottle rocket fights when you were in high school. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 3>we were very smart kids, yes, very wise. But afterwards
<v Speaker 3>she comes up and she's like, hey, I've got you know,
<v Speaker 3>I've got friends in England who want to buy this album,
<v Speaker 3>or I got friends in these other places want to
<v Speaker 3>buy this album. Do you have any And he was
<v Speaker 3>like no, we sold out of them. But she's like, well,
<v Speaker 3>are they going to make anymore? And she he's like, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>we're going to make more. She says, well, how do
<v Speaker 3>I get it? And he goes, here's my name and address.
<v Speaker 3>You write me and I will get it to you
<v Speaker 3>as soon as that it's out. Well, that turned into
<v Speaker 3>a little pit and power relationship and that went on
<v Speaker 3>for four years and the band somewhere in the all
<v Speaker 3>of that touring that did they did over that time
<v Speaker 3>kept noticing, Hey, we're booking ourselves in these kind of weird,
<v Speaker 3>obscure places. Does this have anything to do with the
<v Speaker 3>fact that Adrian Nesser lives by because he would she
<v Speaker 3>would always find a way to come see him. And
<v Speaker 3>of course, eventually she broke up with her boyfriend and
<v Speaker 3>he's like, please come see me. She had just graduated
<v Speaker 3>from college, and so she gives her parents some excuse
<v Speaker 3>like I'm gonna go see what work is out there,
<v Speaker 3>but immediately moves in with him and he's like, let's
<v Speaker 3>get married now, and she says okay, and three weeks
<v Speaker 3>later they are married well round, and the day after
<v Speaker 3>the honeymoon she's like, I don't feel so good and
<v Speaker 3>he's like, well, we haven't really been being careful over
<v Speaker 3>the last three weeks, and she's like, well, let's go
<v Speaker 3>buy a test and sure enough, pregnant with child number one.
<v Speaker 4>And we just hit the thirtieth anniversary of this album.
<v Speaker 4>So that means that Billy bil Armstrong, who looks like
<v Speaker 4>he's about seventeen, has a thirty year old child.
<v Speaker 3>It's weird, weird, weird.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when you said basket Case was the definitive Green
<v Speaker 4>Day song, I think there's a case to be made
<v Speaker 4>that this is the definitive Green Day song. This got
<v Speaker 4>airplay and music video play to this day. I hear
<v Speaker 4>it all the time.
<v Speaker 3>It's so simple. It's basically two chords for the verse,
<v Speaker 3>four chords for the chorus. But Dart is doing some
<v Speaker 3>cool hammer on and pull offs with this one, and
<v Speaker 3>it's just it is. They've captured lightning in a bottle
<v Speaker 3>with this song. They really have.
<v Speaker 4>I don't even know if this is punk pop. This
<v Speaker 4>is just good old fashioned rock and.
<v Speaker 3>Roll, you know, Yeah, it really really is.
<v Speaker 4>This was the fourth single. It reached number six on
<v Speaker 4>US Billboard Hot one hundred airplay. That means, despite not
<v Speaker 4>having a physical single to sell, it was played on
<v Speaker 4>radio stations everywhere.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they have a cool little thing that they do
<v Speaker 3>with these lyrics frequently through out of it, Like with Chump,
<v Speaker 3>where he's talking about another dude at the beginning of
<v Speaker 3>the song and by the end of the song he
<v Speaker 3>realizes he's the chump. Same thing happens with this one.
<v Speaker 3>When I Come Around it's like this, you know, when
<v Speaker 3>I turned the corner and I'm okay, and then it
<v Speaker 3>turns into when I come around people don't want to
<v Speaker 3>be there.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, there you go.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, let's move on to the next one.
<v Speaker 3>All right. Next song on the album is called coming
<v Speaker 3>clean Cut.
<v Speaker 4>Okay for me, this is the first one that I
<v Speaker 4>can get to and I'm like, this is a straight filler.
<v Speaker 4>We need to get past this.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really, I wasn't super familiar with this album
<v Speaker 3>and the lyrics are not blatant in what the meaning is.
<v Speaker 3>It's only once I read what Billie Joe's explanation of
<v Speaker 3>it was that I was like, oh, well, no, I
<v Speaker 3>didn't didn't see that. But this was his struggle with
<v Speaker 3>bisexuality whenever he was young man apparently around seventeen, said
<v Speaker 3>he never actually had a male partner, but those those
<v Speaker 3>thoughts were going around. But that Gilman Club was again
<v Speaker 3>very noteworthy for being very open to all kinds of lifestyles,
<v Speaker 3>which was unique back in the early nineties, right. And
<v Speaker 3>the band that they would, you know, when they started
<v Speaker 3>to hit it big, the band that they would have
<v Speaker 3>open for them was a band called Pansy Division, which
<v Speaker 3>sang very detailed lyrics about homosexual sex, which when they
<v Speaker 3>started touring, there were, you know, some places that would
<v Speaker 3>be like, hey, we're not letting that band play, and
<v Speaker 3>Green Day would be like, Okay, that's fine, we're not
<v Speaker 3>playing either. So stood by their guys. But it's interesting.
<v Speaker 3>I had no idea that this was a this was
<v Speaker 3>an issue that he had dealt with, and I had
<v Speaker 3>no idea that that's what this song was about. But
<v Speaker 3>there you go talking about, you know, trying to explain
<v Speaker 3>to mom and dad, these weird feelings that he's having. Interesting, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>but it right. Didn't know that doesn't do much for
<v Speaker 3>me musically, and so I'm ready to pop on down
<v Speaker 3>to the next song.
<v Speaker 4>Here we go, Imanias sleep Us my friend.
<v Speaker 3>All right.
<v Speaker 4>This is written by Mike Diurnt about two old friends
<v Speaker 4>who meet by chance and then they realize that they
<v Speaker 4>have grown and become different people.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Another one that I'm just like.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah, there's some stragglers here at the end, I.
<v Speaker 3>Think, yeah, this is Yeah. Hey, Mike, you got any songs? Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>I got one. Yeah, Okay, this is the best one
<v Speaker 3>you got. Let's go with that.
<v Speaker 4>Is it two minutes or less?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Okay, throw it in there. Yeah, all right, well, let's
<v Speaker 4>let's go on to the next song.
<v Speaker 3>Then Okay, here we go. Next song on the album
<v Speaker 3>is in the End.
<v Speaker 4>All right, folks, sneeze and you'll miss it.
<v Speaker 3>The song's a wop in one minute and forty five
<v Speaker 3>seconds long.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, this is straight punk. This is there's no pop here.
<v Speaker 4>This is straight punk.
<v Speaker 3>This is great. I love this one. So I heard
<v Speaker 3>the song was about how he didn't really like his
<v Speaker 3>mom choosing his stepdad.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I heard an interview with him. He's like, well,
<v Speaker 4>my sisters didn't like him, but me and my brothers
<v Speaker 4>we did. We thought it was kind of cool.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, okay, I.
<v Speaker 4>Guess there's just some family feelings there.
<v Speaker 3>So well, there's not enough lyrics here for me to
<v Speaker 3>figure it out on my own, right.
<v Speaker 4>I do have a cool story for you reguarding this album.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 4>So we're you know, we just hit the thirtieth anniversary
<v Speaker 4>of Dukie, right, it came out ninety four. Yeah, And
<v Speaker 4>we just hit the twentieth anniversary of American Idiot. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>And they're on tour right now. They're gonna play Dukie
<v Speaker 4>in its entirety that includes this song plus the hidden
<v Speaker 4>track of the End, Yeah, and then American Idiot in
<v Speaker 4>its entirety.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 4>If you can see these guys on tour right now.
<v Speaker 4>You definitely should go ground. I know they're coming to
<v Speaker 4>Nashville in September.
<v Speaker 3>That's fantastic. So yeah, wow, great, love it all right.
<v Speaker 3>Next song on the album, So One. I'm waiting for
<v Speaker 3>Jason to talk about. This one is fod Something's.
<v Speaker 5>On my mind.
<v Speaker 3>It's been funck. What's up time?
<v Speaker 5>It's dime my mom to yo. So where's the other face?
<v Speaker 3>So Jason, what did it mean to you if somebody said,
<v Speaker 3>why don't you fo d well?
<v Speaker 4>I pulled out my nineteen eighty six eighty seven yearbook
<v Speaker 4>and I showed it to you, and we're right here.
<v Speaker 4>Had a buddy of mine, right.
<v Speaker 3>Foad foad, which means f off and die.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thank buddy, Thank you to my friend in nineteen
<v Speaker 4>eighty six. I wrote that on the front cover of
<v Speaker 4>my ear bag.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, at least he didn't spell it out like
<v Speaker 3>Green Days. Right, all right? Yeah, this one is a hot,
<v Speaker 3>hot mess, is what it is? This is you got
<v Speaker 3>Billy Joe and a not very sonic kind of acoustic
<v Speaker 3>guitar for over half of the song Like this is,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, when's the when's the loud gonna come in. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's a minute and thirty five seconds into a minute
<v Speaker 3>and fifty second long song. Excuse me, a two minute
<v Speaker 3>and fifty second long song before the hard guitar and
<v Speaker 3>the drums come in and then it blows up in
<v Speaker 3>your face. Yeah. I don't think he liked whoever he
<v Speaker 3>was talking to when he wrote this song.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is not my favorite. It starts out kind
<v Speaker 4>of harmless and then blows up into enough tirade.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of it. But hey, they warned Jack,
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they did. Here's the title of the song. You
<v Speaker 3>can't be surprised, all right.
<v Speaker 4>And then we have finally, we have a hidden track
<v Speaker 4>on the album.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this one, this one is this one that's coming up?
<v Speaker 3>Is not Billy Joe singing?
<v Speaker 4>Interesting? I move alone. I was all by myself. No,
<v Speaker 4>I was wucking.
<v Speaker 2>So.
<v Speaker 3>Another interesting thing that happened in nineteen ninety four, well
<v Speaker 3>December twenty first of nineteen ninety three, to be supercise,
<v Speaker 3>was the release of a New Kid series called VeggieTales,
<v Speaker 3>where you had Bob the Tomato and Larry the Cucumber. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>and when I heard this song, I was like, is
<v Speaker 3>this Larry the Cucumber singing right here.
<v Speaker 4>It sounds like Larry the Cucumber singing about touching himself
<v Speaker 4>and thinking about other people.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a little weird. I like it's it's it's
<v Speaker 3>got this little kid voice to it. So I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>is this got in new window here or is this
<v Speaker 3>just some little kid who's sad to be by himself? Yeah? No,
<v Speaker 3>the report is the innu window is fully there.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure, for sure.
<v Speaker 3>So that. Yeah, the name of this one is called
<v Speaker 3>All by Myself in case you could tell from the
<v Speaker 3>fact that it's repeated multiple times throughout the song and
<v Speaker 3>Trey Cool is not only singing, he's playing guitar on it.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a bad melody. It's actually, you know, it's
<v Speaker 3>kind of cute if you didn't know what he was
<v Speaker 3>talking about. But that brings us to the end of
<v Speaker 3>the album. What a phenomenal nuclear bomb. I mean, they've
<v Speaker 3>got the perfect cover because that's what This was a
<v Speaker 3>nuclear bomb of an album.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, this was a nuclear bomb of an album.
<v Speaker 4>Released in ninety four. They even come back stronger just
<v Speaker 4>a few years later with Good Riddance. I mean that
<v Speaker 4>was played at every single prom and graduation in the
<v Speaker 4>Country and still is you know.
<v Speaker 1>Another turning by the Fox Duck in the world.
<v Speaker 4>But they win a Grammy. They create this rock op b B.
<v Speaker 4>These guys are rock and roll Hall of Fame type
<v Speaker 4>of guys.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Their next album after this was Insomniac, which they
<v Speaker 3>came on pretty They were harder with the punk on
<v Speaker 3>this one, Yeah, and they were changing the style of
<v Speaker 3>their lyrics a little bit, but it didn't do quite
<v Speaker 3>as well. And then after a little ep that they did,
<v Speaker 3>they came out with Nimrod and again blew our doors off. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>love it, Love it well, guys, thank you so much
<v Speaker 3>for joining us for this exploration of green Day. We
<v Speaker 3>either have Live Throwing Copper coming up next, or we
<v Speaker 3>have Collective Soul the Blue album coming up next, or
<v Speaker 3>we have Bush sixteen Stone coming up next. You will
<v Speaker 3>just have to tune in and see I hope you
<v Speaker 3>enjoy this journey through the albums of nineteen ninety four.
<v Speaker 3>We will see you guys next week.
<v Speaker 4>Thanks guys. All right, everybody back by Popular Band new
<v Speaker 4>version of the Shirley theme song in a powerpunk style.
<v Speaker 4>You think of this one.
<v Speaker 3>When I was a little boy.
<v Speaker 2>The movie's probably so much Shoy and the music cake
<v Speaker 2>buttling nothing today, then the Boblins saying thecauseter. Shirley came
<v Speaker 2>and made me join that same little way. Surely is
<v Speaker 2>a talking machine, Suley. We were across the strains. Surely
<v Speaker 2>is can't be the best days Sully a ucky queen.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a bactic. It's the record Gieve Schurey, you can't,
<v Speaker 2>you can't be serious, y Jason, Michael Scarrier, dogs and jats,
<v Speaker 2>mass hysteria. Feels like the dog said off the wall
<v Speaker 2>the ball. Schully kept her motor Queen. Yes she's a
<v Speaker 2>killer queen.
<v Speaker 3>But we'll spike the football.
<v Speaker 2>Sulli is a time scene, Sully. We went across the strings.
<v Speaker 2>Surely this can't be the best Is Sulli a rocket queen?
<v Speaker 3>Come back?
<v Speaker 2>It's the record machine. Surely you can't, you can't be serious.
<v Speaker 2>Sonny and Gina they both knew. Dylan said they knew
<v Speaker 2>it too. Sully's Roy's delirious, Samuel cranky, Johnny's face, We're
<v Speaker 2>rock digging in the wrong place. Surely you can't be serious.
<v Speaker 2>Not shot first, he became a trucker. Ham's Bloomy was
<v Speaker 2>the worst. Kaye I am serious, and don't call me short.
<v Speaker 2>Surely you can't, you can't be.
<v Speaker 3>Surely you can't.
<v Speaker 2>You can't be Surely you can't. You can't be serious, Sully.
<v Speaker 2>You can't. You can't be sully. You can't. You can't
<v Speaker 2>be silly.
<v Speaker 3>You can't.
<v Speaker 2>You can't be serious silly.
<v Speaker 4>You can't.
<v Speaker 2>You can't be silly.
<v Speaker 1>You can't.
<v Speaker 2>You can't be silly.
<v Speaker 1>You can't. You can't be serious.